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Double standards

My contributions are undone with double standards at https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Milan and the talk page reads controversial thus I am not there, do you think I should game over or go by its fate? Ontheteapot (talk) 04:18, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Ontheteapot. You are repeatedly adding unreferenced content and personal commentary to that article, and other editors are reverting you, because so far, most or all of your edits violate Wikipedia's Policies and guidelines. When several other editors disagree with you, that is an indication that there may be problems with your approach. So, slow down and discuss your proposed changes at Talk: Milan, and only add them back when you have gained consensus. Cullen328 (talk) 04:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Lots of parts are favourited at the page, arbitrarily picked with no references that provide the relevance they're given, have you read it carefully at all? Ontheteapot (talk) 05:26, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Ontheteapot, I am a 70 year old native English language speaker and I have never heard the word "favourited" before. What does that word mean? Do you understand that you are simply not permitted to add unreferenced content and personal commentary to Wikipedia articles? Cullen328 (talk) 05:47, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

User:Cullen328 - How do we tell an editor who doesn't seem to be able to speak or read English that their command of English is inadequate to work on a collaborative product that is written and discussed in English? Robert McClenon (talk) 06:36, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Robert McClenon, it is difficult, but I will try. Ontheteapot, I suggest that you consider contributing to the version of Wikipedia in your first language instead, at least until your English language skills are significantly better. Cullen328 (talk) 06:44, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

I am not the best English writing editor but to disclose your age Sir is a bit out of scope. All Wikipedia versions translate from the English as it's an English project, even zh (Chinese) version does much https://zh.wiki.x.io/zh-cn/%E7%B1%B3%E8%98%AD how could it be otherwise? Ontheteapot (talk) 10:00, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Ontheteapot That is not accurate. Other language versions are not simply translations of this one. Each language version is its own project, with their own editors and policies. While some articles are translated back and forth between the versions, most articles on each version are written independently. 331dot (talk) 10:11, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

An important point is that English Wikipedia has referencing requirements that are more strict compared to those of some of the other language Wikis, so content permitted in those would be reverted as not adequately referenced at English. Your additions of unreferenced content have been reverted by several editors (me included). David notMD (talk) 11:31, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328 I read this discussion and wanted to ask you a question since you come across as a senior and experienced contributor here. If relevant information is added on a page with WP:RS citations, can it still be removed? In the past, I have had someone who is always trying to undo my contributions on one particular page. He / she doesn't touch any of my other contributions on any other page, but only on one particular page. So, it has been discouraging and I would appreciate your inputs. Thank you.

Also, everyone here have always helped me with doubts and I am thankful to one and all. ANLgrad (talk) 17:22, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

ANLgrad, it is difficult to comment without understanding the context. Please feel free to bring the matter to my talk page. Cullen328 (talk) 17:54, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328 Sure, I will do that. Thank you. ANLgrad (talk) 18:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

It seems I found this new reference regarding the deleted sentence on the Chinese community in Milan, it says that Chinese immigrants have been one of the two main immigration groups in the city and they manufactured clothes. https://journals.openedition.org/remi/2016

"InThe aim of this research was to understand which ethnic groups were more relevant, in which economical sectors and what was peculiar of their entrepreneurial model. Ontheteapot (talk) 02:17, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

For the other deleted sentence on its history I only found a reference reporting that Milan has witnessed many invasions throughout history with the importance of Rome's Papal States legacy and geographical position centered in the Mediterranean, more or less. I couldn't find much on this, as there's too much to read but that's what I understood while in Milan for life and work: following the ancient Roman empire, the area dominated by the city of Milan (Lombardy, about) have access to the western half of the Mediterranean thus to that area of Papal intellectuals: the Germans and Austrians as well as Spanish and French kept taking Milan through the centurie, after Pope's legacy of Italy, is my knowledge.

This reference https://thetourguy.com/travel-blog/italy/milan/a-brief-history-of-milan/ written by some PhD in Modern European History even though published on a travel agency website, is little to nothing but all I was able to read:

"those in search of ancient ruins in Milan will find they are few and far between. That’s because centuries of foreign invasions and domination don’t help preservation efforts." Ontheteapot (talk) 03:34, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

The Visconti of Milan uses the same image and states "child." The Biscione article and Talk page surprisingly do not clarify child vs. man, but it does raise the concept that the snake is disgorging the human, not swallowing. Alfa Romeo uses the biscione image in its logo. David notMD (talk) 12:01, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

This reference: https://www.academia.edu/36537715/LARALDICA_SFORZESCA_TRA_PESARO_E_MILANO_STORIE_DEGLI_SFORZA_PESARESI

"L’iconografia dell’

uomo fra le fauci del biscione

, si ritrova comunque come stemma dei Visconti

a partire dall’

XIsecolo."

It seems a good academic paper, and in English it says "the iconography of

man". It's not a child.. that big in 14th century? Can't be. Ontheteapot (talk) 22:05, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Proper next step is to start a discussion on the Talk page of the article, to see if a consensus can be reached. David notMD (talk) 20:45, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Requesting a redirect/ move

whats the template to request a move or rename a page 2601:6C5:8100:6D80:FD94:B264:C572:7F09 (talk) 03:00, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi, IP user! The templates {{Request redirect}} and {{Requested move}} might be what you're looking for. Happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 03:08, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

@Perfect4th: Thanks for your help. 2601:6C5:8100:6D80:FD94:B264:C572:7F09 (talk) 04:48, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

What is the criteria for edit and approve on a page?

Recently I am editing a wiki page Naya India but I have received a message that Your edit has reverted. What should I do? ShuhamNetleon (talk) 06:21, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

@ShuhamNetleon: You added an inline external link to the body of the article. Those are discouraged. See WP:EL. Courtesy ping @JPxG:, the editor who reverted you, who could have been more specific on your talk page, but he did reach out. Many simply revert and move on. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 06:41, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Specifically, in this article there are already two external links to the paper's website, in the infobox and the external links section. jp×g 07:02, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

OK, Thank you. But how many external links we can use in a page? ShuhamNetleon (talk) 07:11, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

@ShuhamNetleon Does WP:ELMIN help? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:30, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Making changes to a wikipedia page that is in "Drafts"

Hi, I have a question regarding this page ( http://en.m.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Ken_Fulk ) that is in drafts. I have some minor edits to make. Should I make these changes, click publish and after sufficient changes are made, I should "Resubmit" the page? Or should I make a list of all the changes (separately), make all of them in one go, publish them, and hit "Resubmit"? Thanks in advance. Angelica Angeli (talk) 06:20, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

@Angelica Angeli: you can make any improvements on the page as you want. They can be small or large. You can publish changes as many times as you want. When you feel that the draft has addressed the concerns of the reviewers who declined it, you can hit Resubmit. There are no deadlines on Wikipedia. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:49, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Angelica Angeli: - First please disclose any conflict of interest that you might have. See WP:COI. Then look for good sources. There are few there right now. See WP:RS. If there aren't any, the article won't be accepted. Then the tone has to be less promotional. This sentence tried so hard to be simultaneously fawning and grandiose that it tripped and hit itself on the head. His renowned is an intersection of the professions of interior designer and impresario. There's a long way to go. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 06:53, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the advice @Timtempleton@Anachronist Angelica Angeli (talk) 06:58, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Angelica Angeli. One thing about Draft:Ken_Fulk that wasn't mentioned above by the two others who responded is that you don't seem to be the user who created the draft. The draft was started by a user named Nealmueller. Do you know Nealmueller? Did they ask you to help with their draft? Technically, no Wikipedia page is owned by any one particular user and content in the WP:DRAFTSPACE can be worked on by different users since the ultimate goal is improve the draft so that it can be upgraded to article status. Some users, however, can get a bit territorial over their dratts and don't seem to appreciate when others just show up and starting editing; they see it as someone trying to take credit for their work. So, it might be courteous for you to post a brief note at User talk:Nealmueller to let them know you'd like to help out with the draft and see how they respond. If they're OK with it; then great; if they seem cool to your offer and not really interested collaborating with you, then you might want to reconsider and find something else to do on Wikipedia. Trying to force someone to collaborate with you is probbaly not a lot of fun and probably won't help the draft get improved to the point that it's ready for article status. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:07, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Another example of the prose: A eponymously-named ticket class at Outside Lands 2022 is named the "Golden Gate Club in Collaboration with Ken Fulk" is extraordinarily awkward. If this draft is to become an article, it will need a lot of work. -- Hoary (talk) 07:39, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

How could i improve my draft article?

I have written this article on a Finnish shopping mall. i think its good enough but i'd like an outside opinion. Thanks! --Cheers! Kilaseell - Message me! - 08:43, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Kilaseell Hello and welcome. You have submitted the draft for a review, which will provide you with the opinion you are looking for. If the reviewer does not accept it, they will tell you why. 331dot (talk) 09:05, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

@Kilaseell You seem to have been lucky and had the article accepted, presumably on the basis that it was notable for being the 2017 shopping center of the year in Finland! Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:27, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Can non-royal weddings be notable?

Posting here because I couldn't find a specific discussion board on notability. I feel that the Wedding of Grover Cleveland and Frances Folsom might meet the requirements for notability given its historic significance and coverage, but when looking for precedent, I couldn't find a single wedding article on Wikipedia outside of Category:Royal weddings. I figured I'd ask for a second opinion before I created such an article. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:15, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

There is certainly no policy or guideline forbidding an article about a non-royal wedding. Because Cleveland was the only sitting president to be married in the White House, it is my opinion that such an article would be entirely appropriate. Cullen328 (talk) 19:23, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

At the time, a book about the wedding called The Bride of the White House was published. There are ample reliable sources readily available, including material published by the White House Historical Association. Cullen328 (talk) 19:39, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

I haven't checked for sources to meet WP:GNG, but if you have those, go for it. We have Wedding at Cana (and, slightly off-topic, Wedding dress of Carolyn Bessette). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:41, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

There is also Wedding of Nora Robinson and Alexander Kirkman Finlay. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:43, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

@Thebiguglyalien Well done for creating that article so quickly: it is very interesting and will make an excellent WP:DYK, which I see you are working on now. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:38, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

scottish royalty

ive made 2 emails about the scottish royalty number 1 about james viii and the other one for his movie should the unborn king became a movie if so what would the actors be and why 85.152.228.60 (talk) 07:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Whether some story or event should or shouldn't become a movie is no concern of Wikipedia. Neither is the question of which actors should appear in a movie. -- Hoary (talk) 07:33, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

then why im making a movie about james viii because ive written to raul this week and i dont what movie studio should i sent this email to universal studios or warner brothers 85.152.228.60 (talk) 09:18, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

This page is for assistance in editing English Wikipedia - nothing else. It doesn't sound as if your question has anything to do with Wikipedia, so it does not belong here. ColinFine (talk) 10:03, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

how about a question what if wikipedia doesnt exist can we still use encarta does it come in a free version and most of all why is encarta closed in 2009 than surviving into the present day 85.152.228.60 (talk) 10:26, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

This page is not for asking general questions. 331dot (talk) 10:28, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

yeah i know but how about teahouse is not about asking general questions but for asking anything anytime anywhere like for example the last question about encarta 85.152.228.60 (talk) 11:41, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

The Teahouse is a place for new users to ask questions about editing Wikipedia. Do you have a question along those lines?

Asparagusus (interaction) 11:47, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Try the WP:Reference desk for information questions. Sungodtemple (talk) 11:47, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

female nonprofit founder Joan Maloof

Hello, I would love to have a wikipage. How do I get someone interested in doing that? JoanMaloof.com 2601:141:8100:AAD0:95A2:1104:8AC0:6C46 (talk) 18:50, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Are there in-depth, non-routine, independent-of-you news/scholarly sources about you that are written by identifiable authors and subjected to rigourous fact-checking? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 18:59, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

This [1] should work, there may be more. I'll look into it, but not today. Joan, some recommended reading at this link: Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. And feel free to talk to me at my talkpage. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:49, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

I believe that Joan Maloof is notable. There is already an article about the organization she founded, Old-Growth Forest Network, and she has written several books that have been reviewed. Cullen328 (talk) 23:29, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Started Joan Maloof. Old-Growth Forest Network seems to have an org-writing-about-itself problem. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:28, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Reflexive

I wanted to clarify a specialist use of the term "reflexive" but don't see that use reflected in the various applications of the term. How do I set about including input on the specialist use? 197.83.248.177 (talk) 11:12, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello IP editor and welcome to the Teahouse. We have a disambiguation page for Reflexive which links in turn to its various uses in Wikipedia. If one of those doesn't cover the meaning you intend, please specify which article is the relevant one you are concerned about. You could discuss the usage on the Talk Page of that article or here at the Teahouse, where we'll try to point you to a better venue if necessary. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:23, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

If the a given use of a word (e.g. a specialist use) doesn't appear in Wikipedia, it's not obvious that the use requires clarification. Are you perhaps confusing Wikipedia (an encyclopedia) with Wiktionary (a dictionary)? -- Hoary (talk) 11:29, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Reflexive is not a dictionary entry intended to give all meanings. It is a disambiguation page intended to lead readers to a Wikipedia article about the wanted meaning. If there is no article which at least mentions the meaning then that meaning should usually not be included in the disambiguation page. Which meaning do you have in mind? PrimeHunter (talk) 14:12, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Question about photos in articles

Hi, if someone adds a photo to an article that has a free licence but its linked to a website such as a travel agents or a car importer then is it ok to leave it in place? Or is it advertising? To clarify, there is nothing about the the website in the article, just a link when you click on the photo. Sorry if this isn't clear! Knitsey (talk) 17:03, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Knitsey, A photo that's been uploaded to Commons shouldn't contain a link. I didn't even know that a photo could contain a link, though you seem to be saying that this one does. Can you give us a link to the photo in question? (Maybe you're saying that the image shows the URL of a link; but that doesn't seem consistent with "a link when you click on the photo". Maproom (talk) 17:18, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Knitsey. What exactly do you mean by "a link when you click on the photo"? If the image has somehow been arranged that clicking on it takes you to an external site, instead of to its description page in Wikipedia or Commons, that is a problem. But I wouldn't have thought that was technically possible. If you mean that the description page contains a link to a commercial site where the image was imported from, then as long as the image is suitably licensed, that is OK. ColinFine (talk) 17:17, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

(irrelevant to the question) ColinFine and I had an edit clash there, though I at least did not get an "edit clash" message. And my response appears above his, even though his timestamp is earlier. I wonder how that can happen? Maproom (talk) 17:21, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

If you started your reply before theirs it is possible that the system already "reserved" your reply to be underneath as your request to reply was accepted before. Td^she/her 17:25, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

No, sorry, I'm not explaining it very well. In an article, if I click on a photo and click details it takes me to Wikipedia Commons. There is a summary box about the photo which gives details about the source of the photo. If the source is a commercial website such as a travel agents selling holidays or a car importer advertising cars for sale then is it allowed? Knitsey (talk) 17:24, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Just seen your reply Maproom. One photo was removed as the user name was promotional and user was blocked. Let me see if I can find the travel agent photo. Knitsey (talk) 17:26, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm a numpty. I can't find either of them now.

The only way I can explain it is, if you look at an article like Kwasi Kwarteng and click on his photo, in the summary box is a link to www.gov.uk

So if a photo in an article has a summary and the source is a commercial one (selling, providing a service etc) then is it ok?

I can always come back and ask this again when I find another example if that better? Knitsey (talk) 17:48, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

AS long as the picture isn't promotional or copyrighted you should be free to link it. Make sure beforehand that it doesn't have a direct link to anything. Td^she/her 17:51, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Td, I just wasn't sure if it was classed as promotional. I'm trying to read up on copyright as it's something I know very little about and wanted to learn more. Knitsey (talk) 17:55, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Knitsey, if a product is notable and the manufacturer publishes a high quality photo on their website under an acceptable Creative Commons license, then it is perfectly acceptable to upload that photo to Wikimedia Commons, to add the source URL and to use that photo in a Wikipedia article about that product. Of course, that general principle can be abused, so each edge case needs to be evaluated on its own merits. Cullen328 (talk) 18:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Cullen328. Things are clearer now (I think). If I find an example that I'm not sure if comes under that explanation then is it ok to come back with the example to make sure I understand it correctly? Knitsey (talk) 18:10, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Knitsey, of course. Cullen328 (talk) 18:35, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

• @Knitsey: While Td’s advice above is correct, please note that the vast majority of images on the internet are copyrighted. In the absence of a clear license, you should assume that the image is copyrighted (hence unsuitable for Commons). In five or so years of answering copyright-related questions, I have yet to see one (1) commercial site whose images where under a Commons-compatible license. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:46, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

  Thank you Tigraan. Like I said copyright is completely new to me and I want to know more. I'm not sure I will get my head around it. I think I will keep looking at the licenses when I'm editing and come back with more questions when I actually have an example to query. Thanks to everyone who answered. Knitsey (talk) 11:32, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

  @Knitsey, in case you weren't aware, Wikipedia has a board set up specifically for answering copyright questions - WP:MCQ. If you have a really knotty question, that's where the experts hang out. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:57, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

  Thank you IP. That is going to be really useful. Knitsey (talk) 14:35, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

IP block (2)

Hello, we are trying to do some editing for the Women in Red WikiProject as part of our company week of service, where we give back to the wider community through volunteering. Several people in the team that is trying to volunteer have reported that they cannot create an account because "The IP address or range has been globally blocked". Another user shared a screenshot showing the block being in force until 2024. Yaburrow-SurveyMonkey (talk) 21:14, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

@Yaburrow-SurveyMonkey: please take a look at meta:Global blocks/FAQ for information on global blocks, and how to appeal them. WindTempos ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:24, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Yaburrow-SurveyMonkey (talk) 21:25, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

@Yaburrow-SurveyMonkey: Users with not much contribution history are unlikely to be approved for an IP address block exemption. Other than asking your internet service provider to issue you an IP address that isn't in the blocked range, the simplest solution is to edit from a non-blocked IP address. Libraries and coffee shops are often good for this. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:21, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for replying. As mentioned, we are trying to take part in the Women in Red edit-a-thon for our volunteering activity. We do not want to have to go to a coffee-shop to do this; most of us are working from home. Yaburrow-SurveyMonkey (talk) 13:01, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Unfortunately there is little that we can suggest other than what we already have. If you are organizing a group event as part of an edit a thon, it might be helpful to discuss that beforehand with those organizing the edit a thon. Just a tip for the future. 331dot (talk) 13:08, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Good point. Yaburrow-SurveyMonkey (talk) 13:19, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Question, who is this "we"? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:44, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

I assume it refers to the team of volunteers; they all seem to be using different accounts (or trying to), so not a shared account situation. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:50, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes, we (the team of volunteers) are trying to create accounts via the company range of IP addresses (but it seemed to make no difference whether it was via the company VPN or not), and it is that range of IP addresses (or part of it) that is blocked. Yaburrow-SurveyMonkey (talk) 13:53, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

So they are editing at their homes via the company IP address? Could they not use their personal, home IP address? Companies often have VPNs or proxies as security measures, and it is generally not permitted to edit with those. 331dot (talk) 13:56, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

A couple of people tried both disconnecting from the company VPN and trying to create an account from their home IP, and connecting via the VPN. They reported that they were blocked from creating an account on both. Yaburrow-SurveyMonkey (talk) 14:25, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Well they shouldn't be blocked from creating an account via their home IP. IPs given to you by VPNs tend to be blocked though per WP:NOP. Have them check to see if their IP changes when they disable the VPN (can be done by simply googling "what is my IP" and then reloading the page when they disconnect) as they might have to restart their PC in order for it to actually take effect. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:28, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks so much, I will suggest that Yaburrow-SurveyMonkey (talk) 14:40, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

How to lock a page

My question is that how to lock and secure a article from vandalism. Please help me in this Sumancranebuddy21q00 (talk) 11:34, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Sumancranebuddy21q00, you can request page protection at WP:RPP. Note that the page in question must have a history of vandalism or edit warring. Sungodtemple (talk) 11:45, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Sumancranebuddy21q00, and welcome to the Teahouse! To request page protection, go to WP:RPP

Asparagusus (interaction) 11:45, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

I have a question that please wikipedia help me to remove wrong editors because they do wrong edits on List of highest-grossing Indian Bengali films section which creates too much problem and its increase vandalism because everyone edit this page without any reference how to block them all. Please help wikipedia Sumancranebuddy21q00 (talk) 11:57, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Sumancranebuddy21q00 As noted, you can request page protection at WP:RFPP. If you have additional comment, please edit this existing section, instead of creating additional sections. 331dot (talk) 12:02, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Also, you cannot make it seem like the article is protected by adding one of the protected templates to your request. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:45, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Sumancranebuddy. Please be careful with the word vandalism: on Wikipedia that means editing intended to damage Wikipedia. It sounds as if you are having a content dispute, which is a frequent occurrence in Wikipedia, as different editors have different opinions. ColinFine (talk) 15:47, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Specificity in infoboxes

Hello! I was recently working on Dundrum Bay's infobox. Dundrum Bay consists of both the inner and outer bays and so I was wondering, if a river flowed into outer bay and a different one into the inner bay, how would this be formatted in the infobox? Would it possibly be:

Outer Bay: River 1, River 2

Inner Bay: River 3, River 4

or maybe:

Outer Bay: River 1, River 2

Inner Bay: River 3, River 4

Thank you!

Sincerely, Rafaelmanman (talk) 15:59, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Rafaelmanman. It's a free-text field where you can write what you want. I haven't found existing examples. I would use your bold example. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:50, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! Rafaelmanman (talk) 16:51, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

User without a conflict of interest but whose username matches the article

Would like some advice about this one. I reverted this edit to Pilpeled a few days ago and templated the user with guidance re possible CoI, as edit was unsourced and read promotional, and the editor's name is the same as that of the article subject. Pilpeled (talk · contribs) has responded saying they had contacted the artist as part of their own studies and want to update the article. My sense is that this is not a CoI but a fan, and that the editor is therefore ok to update the article directly - but I'm wondering whether the editor should change their name, as others are likely to spot that the article title and username are the same and assume CoI. I have pointed the editor to referencing for beginners and to the neutrality policy. What do people think? Thanks. Tacyarg (talk) 17:32, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Resolved, user has been blocked for username. I forgot about the WP:IMPERSONATE policy. Tacyarg (talk) 17:52, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Open a new discussion about deletion

I'm working through a backlog of requested assessments for the Christianity Wikiproject, and came across the article on the theology of relational care. I'd like to propose that the article be deleted and redirected to Practical theology, but I see that there was already a nomination for deletion back in 2013 that ended without consensus. What's the procedure for reopening discussion on a possible deletion? Can I just add to the existing discussion page, even though that's generally discouraged? I'd just start a new discussion on the article's Talk page, but since the article has seen almost no edits in the last decade I doubt it'll draw much notice. Thanks for the help! Brian (talk) 17:43, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

You can open a deletion discussion like normal, but use {{subst:afdx|2nd}}, see WP:AFDHOWTO. You can also use Twinkle which makes it quite a bit easier. Madeline (part of me) 17:51, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! Brian (talk) 18:07, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

need a template

can someone make an enwiki version of ru:Шаблон:Внеземной летательный аппарат for me. Chinakpradhan (talk) 07:57, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

We do have Template:Infobox individual space vehicle already. WPscatter ^t/_c 08:04, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

That's not ideal as per my need. I need to make things in infobox that this template you said can give. Chinakpradhan (talk) 16:51, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

You're free to edit the template yourself - if there are things that should be added to it, go ahead and add them. As long as it's relevant to an individual space vehicle. I don't speak Russian so there may be subtle differences between the two templates I'm not getting. WPscatter ^t/_c 18:20, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

reliable sources.

In Call of Duty: Modern Warfare II (2022 video game) me and another editor had an argument about reliable sources such as Forbes. I was told that "CharlieINTEL posted a clip on Twitter explaining why reload canceling no longer works in Modern Warfare 2.'The saved state for a magazine is when it is removed, meaning you cannot cancel the reload after that point. It will force you to finish it regardless.'” was not a valid statement on how reloading works. and despite talking about it on the talk page I'm still very confused on why it was considered unreliable despite having a quote from a dev? Td^she/her 18:29, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

@Thedefender35 It looks to me like the issue wasn't about sourcing, but whether the content was WP:DUE, or perhaps WP:CRUFT. In that case, it's a simple content dispute, and a Third Opinion might be the next step. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 18:34, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

got it thanks. Td^she/her 18:35, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Updating Article for Nicolas Gaume

I'm updating https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Nicolas_Gaume and I need help with what information should be included and also with formatting for sources.

This is what I was going to add:

(copyvio content redacted)

Itslankya (talk) 16:46, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Itslankya. Please do not post vast swathes of copyrighted material anywhere on Wikipedia. It is not permitted. Cullen328 (talk) 17:35, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

@Itslankya, since you have a conflict of interest (you mentioned on the talk page that you work with him), it's probably best that you make updates to the article via the {{request edit}} template or the edit request wizard. Short, simple requests get accepted and processed more quickly, e.g.: "Add the following sentence: [X] to this section: [Y] cited to this source: [Z]". Please cite reliable sources, preferably ones that are independent of the subject. See Help:Referencing for beginners and Help:Introduction for some tutorials on adding sources and other basics. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:47, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Plastic Pants an article without any support (and none I can find)

An article Plastic pants has no support and I has not been able to find any supporting links. Obviously this product does exist and has so for some time. I did find some backup for the history of the disposable diaper in the Smithsonian magazine which mentions a plastic part. I don't want to delete stuff but there is no way to verify what was written in the article. What should I do? Flibbertigibbets (talk) 02:53, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Flibbertigibbets. I found a book that devotes several pages to the topic. Here it is. I searched for "diaper covers" which I think is a more specific search term. Cullen328 (talk) 03:09, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks I will give it a read, and see if I can incorporate it in the article as support if it applies. Flibbertigibbets (talk) 03:14, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

I hope Americans realise that, in most of the English speaking world, what they call diapers are called nappies. That might be another useful search term. HiLo48 (talk) 04:05, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Americans use primarily disposable diapers, and they aren't called "nappies" anywhere on the planet that I'm aware of except possibly in the UK. In Canada and English-speaking parts of Asia (like Singapore and India) I hear them called diapers. In India, they refer to the disposable diapers as "diapers" and the cloth ones as "nappies". So I agree, if you're looking for plastic pants, that applies more to cloth diapers than the disposable kind. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:57, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

They are called nappies in Australia. HiLo48 (talk) 21:09, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

These are "plastic over pants" for diapers; what is interesting is that the "sister" article is about plastic fetish pants. I traced back the author who was self described as being interested in a plastic pants fetish. Nevertheless these "products" do exist.. Embellishing the products with an unsupported history; I would have to ask why? and now what do we do? Flibbertigibbets (talk) 13:33, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Also, I am glad that folks are helping me. User:JPxG for example. Flibbertigibbets (talk) 13:38, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Webpage

I was informed in my English class that we can edit our Wikipedia page however, I tried editing the info to the correct updated info yet it kept getting revised. Therefore, I took up the challenge and tried to edit it however, no matter what I did it got edited. 68.116.4.27 (talk) 20:59, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi IP user, welcome to the Teahouse. You're free to add verifiable, relevant information to articles. If your edits are reverted, please start a discussion on the talk page of the article - in this case, apparently, Talk:Eastmont High School - to explain why your edits are good (by our standards) and should be kept. Just being true is not enough. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:10, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Maybe you should not add vandalism then? Alyo (chat·edits) 21:11, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Need help

I can't seem to get a link refilled on Draft:Présence protestante, can someone help fill it in for me since I don't seem able to do it. Dwanyewest (talk) 20:58, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

@Dwanyewest Could you rephrase your question? It's a bit confusing what you mean by "link refilled". What link? Please provide more information. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 21:12, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

@Pyrrho the Skipper (talk The eighth link on Draft:Présence protestante needs refilling. Dwanyewest (talk) 21:16, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

I just fixed reference #8, hopefully that's what you meant. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 21:22, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

@Pyrrho the Skipper (talk Yes thank you very much. Dwanyewest (talk) 22:21, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Notability for videogames?

Hello. I'm trying to figure out if there exists notability guidelines for videogames. Currently, I'm looking at The Lost Crown of Queen Anne. Even if there are such guidelines, I doubt they can be applied here, since it's claim to fame is being featured in two magazines at the time(?), but I think it'd be useful for future reference. LuneDeCuivre🌙(talk) 21:50, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

@LuneDeCuivre There is no specific notability guideline for video games, but Wikipedia:Notability (video games) is a good essay that should give you some advice about how notability is typically applied to video games. ‡ Night Watch ω (talk) 23:14, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! For whatever reason, I was unable to find it through searching. LuneDeCuivre🌙(talk) 23:14, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

How to help a new editor?

Racnela21 (talk · contribs) is creating new articles as translations of other-language Wikipedias, but doesn't appear to appreciate the WP:CFORK policy. Can somebody help them out? 217.180.228.188 (talk) 01:49, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Article from a paid editor?

There seems to be a history of paid editing here;

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/User:Spc.amin

So there is an article that is PR for a defunct go fund me campaign that raised 3000 euro years ago, with no other mentions

https://www.facebook.com/therickshawproject/

I flagged it for deletion and notified the author. Flibbertigibbets (talk) 17:32, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

@User:Flibbertigibbets This person has another article, NOWPDP that I'm surprised made it as an article here. NOWPDP is apparently some sort of organization in Pakistan for disabled people, but nowhere does the article tell us what NOWPDP stands for. The article reads like an official press release (and at least once, refers to the organization as "we"). And while the organization itself might be quite notable, there are three references in the first paragraph; two are dead and one is a YouTube video. After that, there are no more references at all. But I don't know what's supposed to be done. Uporządnicki (talk) 01:22, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

From what I can find it was a kind of "vanity charity" work; a little bit of charity along with self promotion. Flibbertigibbets (talk) 01:55, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Writing a page for a person

Hi there,

I've tried to create a page for Isabelle Boemeke, but the page keeps getting declined. However, I strongly believe she fits the criteria for a living biography page, having given a TED Talk, featured in Time Magazine, LA Times, Vice, Highsnobiety, CYBR Magazine and more. I'm not a skilled Wikipedia expert, so perhaps I struggled writing the page. Is there somewhere I can request a Wikipedia expert to create the page instead? I have disclosed that I am a paid client, so if a non-COI person can write the page, that would be helpful. See page here: Draft:Isabelle Boemeke

Thanks! Taylorisodope (talk) 21:54, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft talk:Isabelle Boemeke - there is a very useful source breakdown on the talk page. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:04, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

This is one of those borderline ones, but it passes WP:GNG in my humble opinion. The problems seem to be with phrases suchas the world’s first nuclear energy influencer which should be removed. There may be too many sources listed and it's muddying the waters. Try to have enough, but not too many, and not sketchy sites. Also, people seem to get the sense that it was created by an editor affiliated with the subject (which seems likely, but I try not to assume) Just take the advice given in the draft comments as best you can, make those changes, and try again. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 23:39, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Taylorisodope. Giving a TED talk does not make someone notable. Coverage in unreliable sources does not make a person notable. Passing mentions in reliable sources does not make a person notable. Activist sources do not make activists notable. The only thing that makes a person notable is significant coverage in reliable published sources that are entirely independent of that person. Do not mistake quantity for quality. Three solid sources are infinitely more useful than 30 mediocre sources. What are your three best sources? Cullen328 (talk) 05:14, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Brand Logo Change

Hi Team,

I work for JUCY rentals here in New Zealand. When I google JUCY the old logo is still popping up, even though I've swapped out the old logo.

Could anyone please advise how I can swap this out to the new image?

If you google "JUCY NZ" and click on the JUCY Wiki page you'll see what I mean, the search page doesn't reflect the Wiki page.

Appreciate anyone's help!

Sean 101.98.18.241 (talk) 02:35, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor Sean. The Wikipedia article Jucy Group Limited displays the same logo as your company's website. If Google is displaying an outdated logo, that is 100% Google's responsibility. It would not be the first time or the millionth time that Google made a mistake. They routinely display a photo of a Mary Smith from California alongside text about a Mary Smith from the United Kingdom. If you are referring to the Google Knowledge Graph, that feature draws from many sources, including text from Wikipedia and other places and images from Google Images and other places. Wikipedia has no power or influence over what Google passes along, except for how Google's algorithms evaluate the quality of Wikipedia's content. The Knowledge Graph has a reader feedback function. Use that. Cullen328 (talk) 04:22, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

The logo in the Wikipedia article was changed a day ago.[2] Google indicates they got their image from the article so they apparently haven't noticed the change yet. It's normal for external search engines to have a delay. They cannot monitor the entire Internet live. But Google always controls which image to use. In this case it's the former Wikipedia image but often they pick an image with no relation to Wikipedia and place it above a text excerpt from Wikipedia. We have no way of knowing or controlling what Google will do when they do discover that Wikipedia has changed the image. They might continue to show the old logo (indicating another source), show the new logo, or show a third image from somewhere inside or outside Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:59, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Sean. Assuming that you're the same Sean who uploaded File:JUCY Green Logo.jpg to Commons, you need to go to the file's page and provide an appropriate copyright license to avoid the file from being deleted. This logo seems way too simple to be eligible for copyright protection under US copyright law and perhaps it would be OK to use a copyright license like c:Template:PD-logo. Commons, however, requires that the content it host also be within the public domain or released under a free license in both the US (where the Commons servers are located) and the country of origin (or first publication). Since Jucy Group Limited is based out of New Zealand, Commons can only host the file under a "PD-logo" license if it's also OK to do so under New Zealand copyright law. That's the unclear bit and you might need to ask about this at c:COM:VPC to see what some others think. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:15, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Writing a completely new article

How do i write a completely new article? Bunny journey (talk) 14:31, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Bunny journey, welcome to the Teahouse. Help:Your first article has a lot of instructions on getting started. The first and most important thing is to make sure you have enough sources that meet our standards - see the Golden Rule for a quick overview of what I mean. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:38, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Help:Your first article Wikipedia:Verifiability Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not have some help on how to write a new article 2006toyotacorrola (talk) 08:24, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Boxing Champions

this article used to list nationality and their flags but no longer does can someone fix this please 168.220.177.117 (talk) 08:38, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. Please direct these comments to the article talk page of whichever article you are referencing. I do know that the use or non-use of flags is governed by MOS:FLAG. 331dot (talk) 08:40, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

They were removed from List of current world boxing champions in May. (I assume that is the article you mean.) The editor who removed them left the edit summary "Removed inappropriate flags per MOS:SPORTFLAG", so this will not be "fixed". See that page for the relevant policy. Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:09, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Question

Can I add my own named article in Wikipedia? TheOwnkingAyush (talk) 07:29, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi TheOwnkingAyush. I'm not sure what you mean by my own named article, but I'm going to guess that you would like to create a Wikipedia article about yourself. Please take a look at Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything and Wikipedia: What Wikipedia is not for some general information about Wikipedia, and then take a look at Wikipedia:Autobiography and Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing if my guess is correct and you'd like to try and create a Wikipedia aritcle about yourself. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:42, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

If, on the other hand you meant the article you created, Panchdara, you moved it from draft to article, an editor moved it to draft, you added more content and submitted it to AfC for review, it was declined, you moved it from draft to article again, and it was then nominated for deletion for having no references. If you add references it may survive the AfD. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David notMD (talk • contribs) 12:02, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

How can make my artist wikipedia

Can you please help me out, I want to make a wikipedia for myself as an artist Jukjo (talk) 10:26, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Read WP:Notability סשס Grimmchild. He/him, probably 10:50, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Jukjo. Wikipdia is not here to "help you out" and promotion of any kind is not allowed. See WP:AUTO and note that an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:15, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Teahouse hosts are here to advise, but not to be co-authors. You have a few sentences at User:Jukjo/sandbox. It is an essential requirement that people not connected to you have been writing about you, for that stuff to be references. Otherwise, no hope to succeed. A note was left for you for what its required for music performers. David notMD (talk) 12:08, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Search engine

my wikipedia article is coming in the search results of Google!why? TheOwnkingAyush (talk) 10:43, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

all of them do 2006toyotacorrola (talk) 10:57, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

2006toyotacorrola, your answer is both wrong and unhelpful. If you have nothing useful to say, don't say anything. Maproom (talk) 13:41, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

i didn't know it was did i? 2006toyotacorrola (talk) 13:52, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

and please don't appear so rude 2006toyotacorrola (talk) 13:53, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

2006toyotacorrola, @maproom is not being rude, stern perhaps, not rude. At the Teahouse we pride ourselves on being a place where new and experienced editors can come here and ask their questions and get answers that will help them grow as an editor. We expect that those answering the questions will give helpful and informed answers. The fact you didn't know that your answer, in this case, was wrong and unhelpful simply means you may not be ready to answer certain questions here. The fact this has happened twice now indicates you need more time to learn Wikipedia policy and guidelines. That's okay. No one expects you to know everything but we do expect for you to be respectful of our request that those answering make sure they do so in a manner that is helpful or do not answer at all. I learned something from Colin's answer below and I am very appreciative of them making this thoughtful and informed edit. Please consider that next time. --ARoseWolf 14:17, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, The OwnkingAyush, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm guessing that you missed a "not" there, and meant to ask why Kartik Malviya does not appear in a Google search. If that is your question, the answer is that new articles do not get indexed by search engines until they have been patrolled, or for 90 days if they don't get patrolled. ColinFine (talk) 13:50, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

how can we analyze the data of Wilcoxon Signed Ranks Test through smart partial least square.

good evening, hope so you are doing well, my question belong to Wilcoxon Signed Ranks Test. how can we analyze the data in partial least square except one way ANOVA. As PLS is well structured and easy to use.

Please look into this matter. 121.52.155.196 (talk) 14:21, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

This page is for questions about using or editing Wikipedia. You may have more luck asking at the reference desk. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 14:27, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Article Creation

What makes my article Draft:Agnes Larsson not a suitible article? AlBro66 (talk) 19:23, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @AlBro66, welcome to the Teahouse. The problem is that your draft only has one source that might meet the criteria for establishing someone's notability (outlined here), and that one source is questionable - see WP:FORBESCON for the problems with content on Forbes.com. Please see this page for a brief explanation of the kind of sourcing you need, particularly in a biography of a living person (WP:BLP). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:45, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm also wondering about the photo you uploaded, @AlBro66 - how did you determine its licensing information? I don't see it stated on the site. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:49, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

@AlBro66: The Forbes content is provided by the subject, so nothing here is independent. Please see WP:RS. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:54, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Looking for some sources with WP:RSSE (because I"m interested in the subject considering I enjoy Minecraft) it does not appear she is notable. 3 of the sources are just a profile for her on Forbes, one of the sources is completely unrelated, and the rest just mention her by name but aren't actually about her. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:02, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Someone linked me the image to use and since it didn't have any copyright stuff on the page I thought it would free that. I'm still new though so correct me if i'm wrong. Also the twitter page is from Jeb the lead developer announcing that Agnes is a new member of the team, this is to cite the first line an career. And I believe she is notable because she is a public figure for Minecraft, especially at Mincon/Minecraft live. AlBro66 (talk) 07:53, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

@AlBro66, a lack of copyright stuff does not mean a lack of copyright. Please don't upload pictures you find on the internet unless they clearly state a compatible license. I understand that you think she's notable, but you must prove it by producing reliable, independent, published secondary sources with significant coverage of her. None of the sources you've used meet all those criteria. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:29, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Per the above, if you don't see a copyright on an image you should always assume that it's not free and is copyrighted. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:36, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Krazzy Kiya Re - what to do with this article?

Hi, I came across Krazzy Kiya Re while editing articles for missing citations. The stub is poorly written and seems to be about non-notable subject. I looked for references via Google search and didn't much of use to add to it either.

Should this stub be proposed for deletion or left for improvements/future edits? UMStellify (talk) 14:08, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

leave it for improvements, it can't be deleted ( or shouldn't) for being a bad article, i mean, for all we know a krazzy kiya re expert could come along and make it a featured article! 2006toyotacorrola (talk) 14:18, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

but if it is truly non-notable then request it to be deleted, but make that the main reason though. 2006toyotacorrola (talk) 14:19, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, UMStellify, and welcome to the Teahouse. It sounds as if you have carried out WP:BEFORE. If you are satisfied that it is not notable, by all means nominate it for deletion. (By the way, if you are not already using Twinkle, you'll find that this makes nominating for deletion much easier). ColinFine (talk) 14:36, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi ColinFine, thanks for the welcome. I went through the first three main pages of Google search and the news but couldn't find anything substantial. There are trivial mentions and pages that are directly sourcing (copying) material from Wikipedia, but they're of no use here. I'll nominate it for deletion then. Also, Twinkle looks very helpful. I'll check it out. Thank you so much. UMStellify (talk) 14:43, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

How to unlock a wiki page

how to unlock a Wikipedia page List of highest-grossing Indian Bengali films Sumancranebuddy21q00 (talk) 16:23, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi again @Sumancranebuddy21q00. You can request a decrease in the protection level here. In the meantime, please make edit requests if there are changes you want made to the article - do not use edit requests to request unprotection. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:29, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Short answer is you cant, most of the time it's for the best due to spiteful IP addresses and Flame Wars, if you want to request to unlock an article you will need to contact a moderator or admin with a good reason. I LIKE TO EAT SKITTLES LOTS OF SKITTLES (talk) 16:30, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

@Das Kittles, the OP is the one who requested page protection in the first place - they asked about it here yesterday (Wikipedia:Teahouse#How to lock a page). Since they're not autoconfirmed, they now can't edit the article, which I assume is why they're back here asking how to get protection taken off again. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:42, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Sumancranebuddy, I haven't looked at this in any detail, but the sequence of your requests here makes me think that you are in a place of "I am right and they are wrong and the article has to be locked down to the version I know is right". That is not how Wikipedia works. Ever. You may be right - you may be wrong - more likely, there are differing views which are equally "right" - I don't know, and I don't particularly care. The way Wikipedia works is by consensus. If you are having a disagreement with other editors - even if you are 100% certain that you are right and they are not - you resolve it by having a civil discussion with them, and trying to reach a consensus. If you're sure that you view should prevail, see if you can argue the case so that they agree with you. If you can't reach one, then dispute resolution tells you what are the next steps. ColinFine (talk) 17:37, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

LITHO IN USA

Trying to find any information on LITHO IN USA printed on literature I have acquired from Chrysler Corporation. Iv'e tried some general searches and come up with nothing as to it's origin or meaning. Any input would be appreciated, thanks 66.189.53.204 (talk) 14:43, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

To repeat the answer above: This page is for questions about using or editing Wikipedia. You may have more luck asking at the reference desk. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:44, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

It simply means that the item was printed using Lithography in the United States. My guess is that the literature is probably several decades old. Lithography is commonplace today, but in the early to mid 20th century, it was considered a premium printing process, and companies would brag about it a little bit. Cullen328 (talk) 17:39, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Buzz words

Hey, I'm still getting declined for a page I am working on. Are there any particular buzz words that I should stay away from using that are not already mentioned on the in the 'NPOV' and 'Writing Better Articles' pages? I am trying to reword it more formally and to make it sound less like an advertisement. GlobalAaloo (talk) 08:24, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

what's it about? 2006toyotacorrola (talk) 08:25, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

This is helpful, thank you. GlobalAaloo (talk) 10:30, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

• @GlobalAaloo: I do not know if the question is about Draft:Yvette Vašourková or Draft:Center for Central European Architecture, but my advice is the same regardless.

First, and before you edit any further, please clarify what links you have if any with the CCEA. In particular, if you are working for them, you need to disclose it in a specific manner per Wikipedia’s terms of use.

Second, how the article is a written is not the main concern. Wikipedia has a criterion for inclusion, "notability". The criterion means (roughly speaking) "has been written about in multiple sources that are simultaneously reliable, independent, and describe the subject at length". If a topic does not meet those requirements, no article about it is acceptable, no matter how well-written; it is therefore pointless to spend time polishing it. I note that Missvain has left a comment to that effect on your draft but you may have missed it.

Third, assuming you have found and provided the sources requested above, then you can start trimming down the promotional material. For instance, the whole of Draft:Center_for_Central_European_Architecture#Projects_(selection) is self-descriptions of the projects. We do not care about those on Wikipedia - what have independent reviewers said about those projects? (If nothing, omit them entirely. If the same thing as the self-description, it means those reviewers are not independent.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 08:49, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Okay thank you, this is helpful. With the feedback/comments I've received, does each new comment mean the previous comment has been solved? How do I know when I have made a good change to the article so as not to change it when continuing to edit it in future edts? GlobalAaloo (talk) 10:47, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

@GlobalAaloo: You have not said whether you have links with the CCEA and if so which. Please answer that in your next edit.

No, you cannot assume that a new comment means the old comment was solved, and it is unlikely that you receive detailed feedback. In fact, Missvain’s comment (linked above) is a rather long comment, tailored specifically for your draft. That is more than most draft authors receive.

Reviewers are a small number of volunteer editors with a huge workload; they usually pick their comments from a predefined list of default options. When a draft is not acceptable for multiple reasons, a reviewer might pick an applicable option more or less at random. The fact that reviewer N picks a different option than reviewer N-1 does not necessarily mean that the issue identified by reviewer N-1 has been solved. (Personally I don’t like that and I think "establish notability first" should be put in priority if applicable, but I am not a reviewer, so I do not really have a right to complain.)

What you can do is to post here the best three sources you have and we will tell you whether those are likely to make a topic pass notability. See WP:THREE for "why three and not more". Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 12:47, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

GlobalAaloo, I agree with the advice you have been given above, but I wanted to return to your original question. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch should be useful to you. Cullen328 (talk) 17:49, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Need help with creating article, FireAlpaca. - Sources, Overall Wording, and Imaging.

Hello Wikipedimen,Wikipediwomen, and Wikipedithems, i am currently working on an essay/article for FireAlpaca and i need the support of y'all. I admit that i am not that great of a writer nor am i an expert on Creative Commons and Fair use so i am reaching out for example text to build on, images i can use for this article. For those who(m) are wondering FireAlpaca is a freeware art software and in my effort to make this divine article i've been building off of Krita's article. Please give me more things to work with for my birthday was last week and i have not gotten a gift from any one of you. Gorilla Balls (talk) 16:17, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Das Kittles. Why are you using the signature "Gorilla Balls"? That's disruptive. I also noticed your recent edit summary vandalism of this magnitude is funny and i woulhave kept it but i am on the road to 200 edits. That is also disruptive. What are you up to? Cullen328 (talk) 17:58, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

I am quite the undisruptive man, but my personality conflicts with wikipedias ideals. I LIKE TO EAT SKITTLES LOTS OF SKITTLES (talk) 18:25, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

To build on this i dislike being verbose and verbatim with things like edit summaries because i prefer giving my own summary regardless of how questionable the wording is. I LIKE TO EAT SKITTLES LOTS OF SKITTLES (talk) 18:26, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

to build on the building of the aforementioned sentence i was building on, i find it quite humorous that you put 'what are you up to?' as if i were planning to steal the crown jewel of wikipedia. I LIKE TO EAT SKITTLES LOTS OF SKITTLES (talk) 18:29, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

One thing I would like to point out is that, because FireAlpaca is not "free as in freedom" (despite being "free as in beer"), its logo and a screenshot of the program must be uploaded here to Wikipedia, with justification for meeting non-free content criteria. The logo and screenshot on the Paint.net page appear to be good examples.

Note that many logos, including Photoshop's, are composed of "simple geometric shapes and text" and cannot be copyrighted, but this does not appear to be the case for FireAlpaca's. Be sure to refer to the example on Paint.net. In particular, copyrighted images used for this purpose must be shrunk down to, essentially, the minimum resolution at which the content is still clear. WPscatter ^t/_c 17:58, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Message_to_the_Blackman_in_America

The new user tool pointed me in the direction of, what I think, is an important article with not enough coverage. I was able to find a source for the article which was neat because the book Message_to_the_Blackman_in_America by the Supreme Court in the vindication of Muhammad Ali for draft evasion. I would like some help to improve the article. Flibbertigibbets (talk) 19:35, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Flibbertigibbets. Martha F. Lee was an academic independent of the Nation of Islam who wrote a book and some journal articles discussing Message to the Blackman in America. Her book is called The Nation of Islam, an American Millenarian Movement, and was published by Syracuse University Press. Cullen328 (talk) 20:01, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, can I quote a book as a source? How do you do that? Flibbertigibbets (talk) 20:10, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Flibbertigibbets, of course, you can cite and quote from a book published by a university press. Books like that are high quality sources. First, you have to read all of the discussion of Elijah Muhammed's book in Lee's book. Then, use Template: Cite book, or some other referencing method. Provide full bibliographic details. Cullen328 (talk) 20:18, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Why wasn't this article deleted?

Al-Bassel High School for Outstanding Students . This article has no source for what is written in it and only links to a broken website with no archive. Shouldn't it be deleted since it has poor information(no source) and doesn't comply with Wikipedia's notability guidlines? MichaelRostom (talk) 19:52, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

You are free to nominate it for deletion. Ruslik_Zero 20:08, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Specifically, Wikipedia:Deletion process explains the ways an article can be deleted. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 20:20, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

What comes first: Nonprofit or nonprofit founder?

Hi all -- I was going to write/publish a Wikipedia article about a colleague who started a nonprofit journalism program for students in New York City. As this is my first article, would it be easier/quicker/more efficient to write it about the nonprofit itself or the person who founded it? Thank you! StudentJournalism2022 (talk) 14:27, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @StudentJournalism2022, welcome to the Teahouse. That depends on which subject - the organization or the person - has been most covered by reliable, independent, published secondary sources. Please read Help:Your first article for a lot of guidance, and WP:COI for how to declare a conflict of interest (since you mention they are your colleague). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:36, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

@StudentJournalism2022: The only time I know of where it matters what comes first is in music. We cannot have an article about any musical recording (song or album) unless at least one of the contributing artist(s) has an article first. This is described in Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#A9. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:02, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Ahhhhhh... I like this music analogy .... Thank you! StudentJournalism2022 (talk) 20:44, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

I've seen this said before, but A9 reads: where none of the contributing recording artists has an article and that does not indicate why its subject is important or significant (both conditions must be met). That is, either an author has an article, or there is a credible claim of significance. Am I missing something? ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 20:49, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Info relating to BLP sourced to primary sources

Hello! On the article TheOdd1sOut I noticed that the vast majority of the info in the personal life section is sourced to a primary source (being the subject's Youtube videos). I'm not all that familiar with WP:BLP but is that something that's permissible or is a better source needed? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:16, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Has twice been considered for deletion, see top of Talk:TheOdd1sOut. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:20, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

I see that, however the most recent AFD came out as "Keep" and that was in 2019. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Since that, he has only become more notable, with the Netflix series and all. Sungodtemple (talk) 23:24, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

"Sources" section in some articles

Some articles (e.g. Red Nails, The Hour of the Dragon) include a "Sources" section, while others (e.g. Rogues in the House, The Devil in Iron) rely on inline references alone. If there is some guidance on which to prefer, could someone point me in the right direction? BenjaminHare (talk) 23:42, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

The short answer is those are all acceptable ways to include sources, however the most common, and therefore generally recommended for most purposes, would be the citation footnotes style, with a "references" section at the bottom. You can read all about it here. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 00:40, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

My article was not accepted

Hello! I thought I had written it well as I followed the format of another zine that had already been approved, My Comrad. Let me know what I can do to make the article more acceptable. Thanks! Lois Commondenominator (talk) 00:06, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi. To be included in Wikipedia, the subject of the submission must be deemed to be notable. That is to say there MUST be independent, third-party reliable sources that have covered the subject. Unless you are able to come up with references or citations, it is unlikely your draft will ever pass muster. Sorry to have been the bearer of bad news. Regards,   Aloha27  talk  00:27, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Regarding Draft:Dragazine Magazine - The Magazine for Halloweeners and Inbetweeners, you have a notice on your talk page:

"Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Ingenuity were:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just passing mentions about the subject)

reliable

secondary

independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

If any of the points mentioned in the above notice are unclear, you may ask here at the Teahouse for clarification.--Quisqualis (talk) 00:38, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

I understand - it was not usual for underground zines to get that type of notice in the mainstream press. However, I did get some pull quotes from a number of sources over the years. Do these count? Michael Musto writing for Project X Magazine said, "Dragazine is a major force in the West Coast." Mark Erhman of the Los Angeles Times said, "An indispensible guide to crossdressing." In Touch Magazine wrote, "Stands high heels and wigs above most 'home-grown' underground publications." Alternative Press Review said, "Glossy, frolicking, hilarious with photos galore." and finally, All Man Magazine wrote, "All the news that's fit to rouge." Lois Commondenominator (talk) 00:46, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Pull quotes alone would not stand, but if the articles they appear in contain in-depth coverage, then your article should be based entirely on that material, rather than on your knowledge of the subject. See Your first article for comprehensive instructions.--Quisqualis (talk) 00:54, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Secondary Citation Guidance

This company was an R&D partner with the gov and contributed research to the rollout of the Earthquake Early Warning System. The goal is to document that on Wikipedia - progress has been made on revising the content and sources. Could someone provide guidance on the quality of secondary sources? Also, does the Wikimedia document added help? EricFishers11 (talk) 00:37, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

EricFishers11, it may be WP:TOOSOON for your company to have been covered in reliable, non-primary, independent published sources. Wikipedia is not an outlet for documenting achievements. We seek to present the body of (notable) human knowledge.--Quisqualis (talk) 00:48, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Good input, thank you. It's been nearly 9 years actually, the system ShakeAlert is well documented along with Earthquake warning system - The most critical step was implementation which the company performed under a research capacity with the USGS. This is not covered in the other entries and further clarification is needed on the support research. Should this be added under those other entries instead? EricFishers11 (talk) 00:56, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Black Lives Matter article

There is an error in the 4th paragraph of the "Black Lives Matter" article. The sentence "Whereas public opinion was net negative in 2018, it grew increasingly through 2019 and 2020." should probably read "Whereas public opinion was net negative in 2018, it grew increasingly POSITIVE through 2019 and 2020." 2603:7000:9701:6159:7CD7:136D:3C4F:CA6E (talk) 01:57, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

 Fixed. Thank you for pointing out the error! If you'd like to be able to fix errors like this yourself in the future, I'd suggest creating an account, which will allow you to do so after you've made a few edits. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 03:21, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Article copies a "public domain" primary source verbatim

The entry for Alfred_Wilkinson_Johnson has been copied from a government source via wayback (which would be public domain) on a verbatim basis; there is a reference on the page which speaks to the information origin. The article citation is as follows;  : This article incorporates text from the public domain Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships. The entry can be found here. I have no idea if this is appropriate or not; how it should be handled. Flibbertigibbets (talk) 03:33, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

@flibbertigibbets: this is appropriate, see wikipedia:public domain. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 05:04, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Adding Company in renowned list of comapnies

Need to add Kellton in the list of Indian IT Companies. Kellton is one of the IT companies headquartered in Hyderabad and offices in Gurgaon, Lucknow, USA, Europe. Recently this company has been awarded as top 10 Software Development Companies In India 2023 by Outlook magazine. You can view the article source: https://www.outlookindia.com/outlook-spotlight/top-10-software-development-companies-in-india-2023-news-227565

Let me know if its possible to add this company into the wiki list of top Indian IT companies. Aniket1508 (talk) 05:47, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Aniket1508. List of Indian IT companies is not protected. Anyone can edit it, including you. You do not need advance approval. Cullen328 (talk) 06:32, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Is this a conflict of interest?

I'm interested in creating an article for a database framework. The company that develops it is my former employer. I've found several independent reliable sources that seem to constitute notability, and I have no vested interest nor anything to gain from unduly promoting it, nor do I wish to disparage them. Do I need to disclose this? And if so, how can I disclose it so that the draft reviewers will see it? WPscatter ^t/_c 09:24, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

yes you do using the COI wizard. someone else will link it i hope. 2006toyotacorrola (talk) 10:55, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

@2006toyotacorrola: I am not aware of the existence of any "COI wizard". Nothing of the sort is listed at WP:COI either. I strongly suspect no such tool exists. In the future, please avoid "someone else will link it I hope" comments - either do the work of finding the link yourself, or refrain from posting entirely.

@Wpscatter: While it is not mandatory to disclose it, it is highly encouraged. Use one of the three options listed at WP:DCOI to do it. As "former employer" is a somewhat distant COI, I do not think you have much restraint to exercise about what edits you make. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 12:54, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

i meant the edit wizard 2006toyotacorrola (talk) 13:54, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard is the thing to do it with 2006toyotacorrola (talk) 13:56, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

@2006toyotacorrola No, the Edit Request Wizard is not how you declare a COI. David10244 (talk) 07:28, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

oh i thought that was, nevermind 2006toyotacorrola (talk) 08:03, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

"Characters in the Mario franchise" intro

Would anyone be able to help me with rewriting the intro for the Characters in the Mario franchise article? It's a bit lengthy and also needs to have the list criterion incorporated into its prose. Any help or advice on this would be appreciated. Landfish7 (talk) 07:06, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

what'd you like some help with? i'll try 2006toyotacorrola (talk) 08:05, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Also look at WT:VG, it may be worth asking for help there. - X201 (talk) 08:15, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

How do you undo Drafts?

How do I undo the deletion of Draft:Track and field in the United States. So I can restart a new article? Dwanyewest (talk) 03:52, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

@dwanyewest: go to wikipedia:requests for undeletion/G13, press the button, enter the draft title, and press "make request". lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 04:49, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Dwanyewest. As an administrator, I can read deleted content. That was an extraordinarily poor quality draft with no useful prose content. Instead of trying to restore it, I recommend that you do your best to write a fresh, well-referenced draft from scratch. Any administrator would be happy to accept a high quality draft. Some of the articles in Category:Track and field in the United States may be useful to you. Cullen328 (talk) 08:19, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Adding another name for a species in an article

Greetings! I've been editing on this site for a long time, and one thing that I still do not understand the guidelines for adding multiple names for a single species (i.e. european marten, iranian leopard). I would like to know the guidelines for doing so, since I am under the assumption that for a species, it does not have to be sourced/widely used. I am still learning everyday, so I will inevitably be prone to making mistakes. Much appreciated. Firekong1 (talk) 16:44, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Firekong1, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you don't get an answer here to this rather specialized question, it might be worth asking at WT:WikiProject Tree of Life. ColinFine (talk) 17:22, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

I see. Thank you very much!

Firekong1 (talk) 17:32, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

I must say I never really understood the species naming either. Most of the articles we have on various species seem to violate WP:COMMONNAME by being titled according to a Latin taxonomic name instead of the commonly used name. @Firekong1: I would go by the WP:COMMONNAME guideline. If it turns out to be a wrong decision, the title can always be changed easily. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:25, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

I feel the same way, and given that subjects pertaining to science are continually bound to change, and that an individual organism can have multiple common names, I don't exactly understand why we always need sources for multiple names on species. But if many articles violate this rule, then there should be no reason why adding multiple common names would be against the rules. In addition, the statement in question pertains to common names in articles rather than titles. However, I understand the guidelines and I will follow them accordingly.

Firekong1 (talk) 19:23, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

For one thing, common names and scientific names don't always match up one to one. The same common name may be used for multiple species. And multiple common names may be used for the same species. As for Firekong's question on "why we always need sources for multiple names on species", the answer is the same as for why we need sources for anything. We need to show that this "common name" isn't just something the person adding it made up on the spot. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 10:52, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

I am perplexed how to correct significant errors of omission regarding my life work.

I check the Wiki page written about me each year out of curiosity, and each year there remain significant omissions of the honors and awards I've received in my career, not the least of which is my involvement in the founding of the International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War, recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize in 1985. I am 80 years old now, and at the die is cast for my career. But Wiki's accounting of it omits significant material- all verifiable- about my work. I understand I can't edit this myself. Is there anything I can do to correct the Wiki record? Henry Abraham MD (talk) 18:10, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello! Unless you can provide facts that what you have done meets Wikipedia:Notability Then there is not much we can do to push your articles forward.Td^she/her 18:15, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Henry Abraham MD, welcome to the Teahouse. I see you've already found the talk page - Talk:Henry David Abraham - and made an edit request in the past. If you want to add more information to the article, accompanied by appropriate sources, please make further edit requests. Keep them short and easy to accomplish ("Add the following sentence: [X] to this section: [Y] cited to this source: [Z]") and they'll probably get done relatively quickly. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:17, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your rapid reply. I'll try doing what you've advised.

Best, Dr Abraham Henry Abraham MD (talk) 18:22, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

I just checked the site. It looks like an editor made the Nobel addition. Thank you for your help.

Dr Abraham Henry Abraham MD (talk) 18:30, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

also building off of what they said make sure to follow Wikipedia:Neutral point of view so that your edits don't get reverted. Have a great time editing Wikipedia! Td^she/her 18:19, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

As pointed out by the IP above and in policy at WP:COIEDIT, subjects of articles are strongly discouraged from editing their own pages directly. Edit requests on the talk page are the proper way to get the article changed. WPscatter ^t/_c 18:41, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Henry Abraham MD The 1985 Nobel Peace Prize was to the organization IPPPNW. You may have been an initial member, but none of the reporting named you as a co-founder. David notMD (talk) 22:25, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Dear "David notMD":

I'm grateful for your quick reply and appreciate your desire for precise language in reporting. For the record, I was a co-author of IPPNW's constitution along with John Pastore, among other roles. For verification, kindly see Lown, Bernard. Prescription for Survival, p. 184, Berrett-Koehler Publishers, San Francisco, 2008. Additional verification of my participation in the Nobel ceremony is on my website, HenryAbrahamMD.com, which includes a photo of the Americans involved in forming IPPNW (a much younger version of me is in the center holding the Peace medal), reports of my involvement at the awarding of the Prize that appeared in the American and Norwegian presses, and the text of my invited address in Trondheim following the ceremony. I am happy to supply any or all of these consistent with the rules of Wiki. Sincerely, Henry Abraham MD Henry Abraham MD (talk) 23:15, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Except that as I already noted on article TP, there was a C-Span citation which was deleted by another editor, which then left the claim bare which caused Nobel Peace Prize section deletion. I'm trying to avoid citing from the subject's own website for verifiability. Still working on this. TeeVeeed (talk) 14:36, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello Doctor Abraham. Can you maybe please join the Talk Page [[3]] again for the article? I am trying to improve it. thank you. TeeVeeed (talk) 14:57, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

"Pinging" Abraham via Henry Abraham MD. He will see this if he logs in to his account. David notMD (talk) 10:19, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Dear David notMD:

I am learning the lingo. Pinging- the same as emailing me? If so, it worked. The editor, TeeVeeed, requested verification of items for the Wiki page covering my career. I will offer TeeVeeed citations from the media and professional journals via Talk.

Thanks for staying on this.

Henry Abraham MD Henry Abraham MD (talk) 13:54, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

first item

Can we create the first item together? Aivirtuous (talk) 13:09, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello Aivirtuous. I'm not sure what you mean by the 'first item'. Please specify. Kpddg ^(talk) 13:11, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Creating a resource and page, thanks Aivirtuous (talk) 13:23, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

@Aivirtuous, are you asking for help in creating an article here on Wikipedia? Is this about Draft:Çağla Küçükdereli Yoğurtçu? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:41, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Aivirtuous. It is not clear what you mean by "a resource". What we create here is encyclopaedia articles - they are a kind of "page", but people who talk about them as "pages" often have a misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is.

Have you read Your first article? ColinFine (talk) 14:00, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Aivirtuous, the first thing we have to decide about Draft:Çağla Küçükdereli Yoğurtçu is whether its subject is notable. It doesn't cite any sources, but it does list some. They're all in Turkish, so only a reader of Turkish can judge whether they establish her as notable. Maproom (talk) 14:26, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

@Aivirtuous Welcome to Wikipedia editing. Your first language does not appear to be English, since the draft mixes up the nouns "he" and "she" and the possessives "his" and "her" for someone who, judging by their photograph is female. Perhaps you would have more success creating the article on the Turkish-language version of Wikipedia, which would also have the advantage that the reviewers of the draft would be able to confirm that the sources are reliable and independent of the person being written about. Note that here on the English Wikipedia it is not sufficient to supply sources, they must for biographies of living people be used inline (see WP:IC) so that readers can see exactly which source supports each fact stated. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:50, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

How to find out promotional site?

During article writing we face so many sites, How we can understand

• which site is promotional?

• Which site reference we can add?

Jrovc (talk) 12:50, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Jrovc, welcome to the Teahouse. The answers to those questions are rather complicated. Here is a lot of reading - WP:Reliable sources, WP:Primary, WP:Independent, WP:NPOV - and here is a shorter, simpler summary: you need to build articles mostly on reliable, published, independent secondary sources, with some additions from non-independent or primary sources. Evaluating which sources are good and which are less good and which are bad is something of an art form. Here is a long list of popular sources which have been evaluated: Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#Sources. It's an easy place to start. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:49, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer @199.208.172.35 Jrovc (talk) 14:52, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

New to Wikipedia - tried to enter valid information which was misinterpreted as some kind of web hosting

Noting that another ISO Technical Committee (ISO/TC 176 Quality Management) provided information about its work on Wikipedia, the ISO Technical Committee with which I work, ISO/TC 260 Human Resource Management decided it would be important to present information in Wikipedia and developed information-only article about the work and benefit to stakeholders all over the world. It was not a web hosting or marketing piece. However, I may have misunderstood the words "private sandbox". As I was entering information, before I could even finish initial entering of the text (no opportunity to even proofread), a popup "speedy deletion" occurred. Then, I clicked to contest the speedy deletion and explain. I wrote one sentence and another popup said everything I wrote was deleted because it was of no use. Here is the link to ISO/TC 260 HRM which is the main webhost https://www.iso.org/committee/628737.html (same, by the way for ISO/TC 176, which Wikipedia allows to publish and the factual information we were trying to post is completely congruent with the type of information that ISO/TC 176 posted). So, I'm confused. Doesn't Wikipedia want encyclopedia type information about what is happening in the world to benefit others? The reason ISO/TC 260 HR Management decided to post on Wikipedia is because the organization develops international standards and we noted some confusion about this in the market place. Our goal was to help ameliorate those gaps by providing factual information (with links to same). Instead, we were deemed for speedy deletion. Sadly, I posted on the Talk Page to try to get help and my request for help --similar to the above--was immediately deleted as inappropriate. Inappropriate in what way? I am completely confused. Any suggestions? Hope to hear from someone. Kind regards, Lorelei Carobolante Lcarobo (talk) 22:52, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't really do "private sandboxes". If you commit an edit to Wikipedia's servers, anyone can see it provided they know where to look. The reason it was deleted is because it was seen as misuse of Wikipedia as a website hosting service - which, if the material was overly-detailed, would explain why it was seen as such. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 23:02, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

OH - that was my misunderstanding then "private sandbox" is actually publishing out. So, we should have consulted a Wikipedia editor to review the page before pasting it? Is there any resource on Wikipedia to help us present relevant information, which seems to directly align with Wikipedia goals? We thought factual, informational detail was required/desired. One reason for confusion: ISO/TC 176 has a Wikipedia page that includes more detail then we had written (at the time, in the middle of a sentence, before it was finished, it was already--and is now--completely deleted). 2600:1700:C1C0:1300:81E6:2017:4074:FFCE (talk) 23:06, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Your login seems to have lapsed. Log back in real quick. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 23:09, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

The main thing you need to bear in mind is that Wikipedia articles really shouldn't be massive lists of technical info impenetrable to Joe Blow from San Antonio. Our audience is the average person, and they're mainly going to be looking for a brief bit of background information, with links/citations to more detailed resources they can then peruse at their leisure. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 23:13, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

OH - apologies - my misunderstanding. We thought we needed to substantiate all information (thus--too detailed). So, are we allowed to start over? Or, once deleted, my login isn't allowed to try to repost more generally? It is curious, though, that our counter part committee ISO/TC 176 ISO/TC 176 Wikipedia has same type of information. Only difference seems to be that their keywords tend to link to Wikipedia page definitions. Is their page a good example, in you opinion? Thank you very much for your feedback. Lcarobo (talk) 23:17, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Given that ISO/TC 176 bears a message at the top advising that the article needs cleanup because it doesn't meet quality standards, I would not hold it up as an example to be emulated, no. MrOllie (talk) 23:42, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Oh my - I see that now. Well noted and will do. There is a good case for providing factual information about why ISO international standards are important -- how they help organizations and society at large but in less technical explanatory terms (as https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano clarified). Advertising is certainly not our intent; clarifying and providing information is the intent. Thank you for your feedback. 2600:1700:C1C0:1300:81E6:2017:4074:FFCE (talk) 00:08, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Who is "we" or "Our"? Wikipedia accounts are not allowed to be shared per the TOS. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 23:46, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

ISO/TC 260 HRM -- https://www.iso.org/committee/628737.html ISO is a nonprofit organization https://www.iso.org/about-us.html and its Technical Committees include experts from around the world who volunteer their time to develop consensus based international standards and technical specifications. The "we" and "our" should have been "ISO/TC 260 HRM registered experts" (volunteers who contribute to ISO international standards development). 2600:1700:C1C0:1300:81E6:2017:4074:FFCE (talk) 00:12, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

I presume he's using it in the sense of "I'm speaking on behalf of my technical committee" rather than "My account is shared". —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 00:13, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Correct (except that I am a "she") :) -- I am speaking on behalf of my technical committee, correct. 2600:1700:C1C0:1300:81E6:2017:4074:FFCE (talk) 00:16, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

You need to log in again. Alright fair enough. I always have to make sure. You would be surprised how often I come across accounts that have promotional usernames and imply that they are shared. I don't like having to get an editor blocked because they were using a shared account. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 00:33, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you - actually my user name is really my name, shortened (Lcarobo for Lorelei Carobolante).

Since I am so new to Wikipedia, and may have gotten overwhelmed reading so many articles about creating a new page/article, etc. Using the comments above, I would like to try again. Do I just login and start over or since my first attempt was "speedy deletion" (stopped before I could finish writing, likely because I was going in the wrong direction), or do I need to get someone's permission to start over? Thank you again. Lcarobo (talk) 00:55, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

@Lcarobo: Actually you don't necessarily need to create a new account to just "start over" (or am I misunderstanding what you are saying?). You can simply just continue making constructive edits. If you want to do that however then I recommend you read WP:CLEANSTART. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:00, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf - There is nothing left to edit. All that I wrote was deleted under the "speedy deletion" - so I do need to start over. Great - I will read CLEANSTART. It seems like I still have an account (I am logged in now) but the page looks like what it did before I started attempting to write my first article/page. Thank you, again. Lcarobo (talk) 01:07, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

@Lcarobo: No problem! II would note that here on Wikipedia we have articles about things that have been determiend to be notable via reliable, secondary sources not connected to the subject. Writing an article as the very first thing you do is one of the most difficult things to do (heck I've been on Wikipedia for almost 2 years and I"ve only ever written 2 articles) so it's often suggested you make other edits first to get familiar with the process of editing and how articles should look. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:10, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf Good idea - I can see opportunities to edit terminology/topics (e.g., human resources, human resource management). WOW - 2 years! OK - well, the reason the Technical Committee ISO/TC 260 HR Management wanted me to write an article for Wikipedia is because there seems to be so much misinformation or incomplete information about the consensus-based ISO international standards development process. So, we wanted to provide facts to help clarify (clearly too many facts and too technical though...lesson learned). OK - thank you very much for the suggestion. Lcarobo (talk) 01:23, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello Lcarobo I have pinged the responsible admin, and wrote an explanation why the sandbox should be "refunded" or undeleted. The page "private sandbox" was possibly what misled them. Please do not get discouraged. Your draft box should be a reasonable place to make good faith test/prep edits, without worrying about speedy deletion. On Wikipedia articles themselves, others have given you good advice about WP:TECHNICAL. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 01:17, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you @Shushugah Well noted and will do. Thank you. Also, I'll try to make uninterrupted time so that I can complete it in one go instead of stopping and restarting. That may help, too--so that people see I am actually working on it? Thank you Lcarobo (talk) 01:25, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

I cannot reply to @Cullen328 (states not allowed). Just to clarify, I should hope that what I wrote will be "undeleted"/refunded so that I can edit that. Cleanstart would not help me because I want to write about ISO standards and am qualified to do so. Feedback below suggests, too, that while I can identify ISO/TC 260 HRM, the Wikipedia article should be about published sources that discuss the ISO standard but are entirely independent of ISO (so, not articles by ISO.org but something about them -- example of a posting on the US Security and Exchange Commission about ISO 30414 https://www.sec.gov/comments/4-711/4711-5453156-184911.pdf and what that could mean cause/effect in short-term and longer term future), correct? Lcarobo (talk) 01:31, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Lcarobo, you do not need a clean start. and doing that would be a mistake because it would forbid you from ever writing about ISO standards ever again. What you need to do is study the General notability guideline and Your first article. Read and study and click on the links. A Wikipedia article about an ISO standard should not be based on what ISO or its people say about the standard. Instead, it should summarize what reliable published sources entirely independent of the ISO say about the standard. Cullen328 (talk) 01:21, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Lcarobo, I do not know why you wrote that you cannot reply to me, since you just did. The PDF you linked to is not an independent source. It was written by an ISO committee chairperson. An acceptable Wikipedia article must summarize what people entirely unconnected with the ISO have written about the standard. Journalists and academics, for example. Cullen328 (talk) 01:44, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328 must have been a connection glitch because I tried to click on "reply" to your first post and it rejected/not allowed to reply. So, I clicked reply to the post above it-- and it came to you as a reply. Good. Still learning. The writer was a former ISO committee chair person (no current or former)--completely unconnected. Something like these? https://www.emerald.com/insight/content/doi/10.1108/IJQSS-04-2020-0065/full/html (academic -ish) or https://www.visier.com/blog/top-10-strategic-hr-ta-metrics/ (more like an independent article)? Or either? Just to clarify. Thank you, kindly. Lcarobo (talk) 01:57, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Lcarobo, at first glance, the first source looks OK. Personally, I am not conversant with the current reliable published sources in this area of study. I got my degree in a closely related field 40 years ago, and have worked in other areas ever since. That article has a reference list that may well lead to other reliable sources. Sources like "ISO 9001: 2015 – a questionable reform: what should the implementing organisations understand and do?" and " and "In Pursuit of Quality: The Case against ISO 9000" are potentially the type of sources that would help ensure the Neutral point of view, which is a core content policy . The second source, however, is clearly not a reliable source. It is an unsigned blog post from a commercial venture that sells software. That is pretty much the opposite of a reliable source. Cullen328 (talk) 03:57, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328 Thank you and well noted - I thought the first looked reliable/neutral, evidence-based. I'm very unfamiliar with blogs, although they often seem connected to commercial ventures it seems (I didn't notice that until you mentioned it - of course, not neutral). If, though, for example a magazine or other professional article presents information on an ISO group of work or standard, that could be accepted (e.g., HBR, TD, SHRM, CIPD, etc.)? However, if Deloitte writes about it https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/us/Documents/finance/us-advisory-discovery-quality-management.pdf although Deloitte is not connected with ISO, since Deloitte is ISO 9001 certified, it would NOT be a neutral source, correct? Just trying to understand. Thank you. Lcarobo (talk) 04:25, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

@Lcarobo Many companies are ISO 9001 certified. As a fairly new editor, I don't think that disqualifies a publication from that company that is about ISO standards. David10244 (talk) 04:44, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Lcarobo, I am not in a position to fully evaluate the relationship between Deloitte and ISO Human Resource Management standards. A topic area expert should delve into that. In one sense, Deloitte has a good reputation. On the other hand, it is a gigantic multinational corporation that generates fabulous wealth for its senior managers and largest investors, by providing consulting, accounting and legal services to other giant corporations. The Arthur Andersen experience shows that such accounting and consulting companies can somtimes be hollow inside. Cullen328 (talk) 04:56, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328 At this point, I am unsure how to proceed. Someone requested that the "deleter" of my "private sandbox" (not private at all) please "undelete" me so that I could wipe off everything I wrote and start over. Apparently, the deleting authority did not reply (I just logged in to see the same deleted message). Someone else posted that, as a result of my mistake/penalty, I am blocked from ever posting about ISO again. So, it seems my only option is to share the experience with my ISO committee and encourage someone else to try to post the well-intentioned, neutral and independent information. Indeed, Deloitte, PWC, BDO, Accenture, EY and other large consulting firms seem to have excellent reputations. ISO, a nonprofit, is and has always prioritized developing relevant international standards to help organizations of all sizes, industry sectors and growth phases (saving significant amount of consulting money, since they are all developed on a consensus basis by experts in the various fields of the standards (by the way, the experts are unpaid volunteers who strive to make a positive difference within their focus areas). :) Anyway, thank you --difficult lesson but certainly one I will not forget and continue to learn from. Thank you very much for taking time to thoughtfully respond to my queries. Lcarobo (talk) 14:33, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Lcarobo, your description of what "someone" told you is not plausible. I have posted on your talk page. Cullen328 (talk) 16:06, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328, they meant that they couldn't reply to your post using the reply function, which is indeed broken in that particular post for reasons explained in this thread at VPT. There may eventually be a fix. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:37, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Fascinating, IP editor. Thank you. It seems that the interim solution is to place the outdent tag and then begin a new line to ping another editor. I will try to remember that. I mostly edit on smartphones and use outdent when heavily indented text gets hard to read because the column is so narrow. Cullen328 (talk) 16:55, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

New editor in chief

I am the PR Director of PEOPLE magazine. I updated the PEOPLE Magazine wiki page with the name of the current editor in chief, Wendy Naugle. Your site took it down because apparently I am not a "reliable source." How do we get the page updated with the accurate information? KoolJool817 (talk) 15:56, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

@KoolJool817 For simple information such as the name of the editor in chief, a citation to the website people.com/somepageorother would suffice. However, I did a quick search and couldn't find such a web URL to use, which was a bit of a surprise. Please provide a reliable alternative source via an {{edit request}} on the Talk Page of the article and someone will make the update. You should not do so yourself owing to a conflict of interest. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:13, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Actually, the relevant page is this one I'll make the update in a moment. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:14, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, KoolJool817. I'm afraid that, as somebody with a financial interest in the subject of the article, you are one of the few people in the world who should not edit the article directly.

What you should do is:

1. . Make a formal declaration of your status as a paid editor. This is mandatory under Wikipedia's terms of service.
2. . Make an edit request (see that link for details) on the talk page of the article, specifying exactly what change you wish to be made in the article, and giving a reliable published source for the information. (For most kinds of information, this should be a source independent of the magazine, but for the name of an officer, a non-independent source would be acceptable, such as a press release or the magazine's own website. On a quick look, I didn't find it on people.com, and PRNewswire is not regarded as a reliable source)

An uninvolved editor will see your request, and implement it as appropriate.

The reason why you are not a "reliable source" is that you are not published: Verifiability is a core policy. ColinFine (talk) 16:17, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

I see Mike Turnbull has found the information (which I didn't) and will do the update for you. Nevertheless, the steps I listed above are the way forward for any further changes you want to make to that article). ColinFine (talk) 16:18, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

After doing the update, I notice that another editor has realised that the history section of the article is out of date, as it lacks information as to when Naugle became the editor in chief. That's exactly the sort of information which you, @KoolJool817 should provide (via edit request) giving a reliable WP:SECONDARY source for the dates if at all possible. The volunteers here at Wikipedia want articles to be as complete and accurate as possible and will happily work with paid contributors provided the latter stick to our policies and guidelines. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:36, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Wendy Naugle was named editor in chief of PEOPLE on September 1, 2022. Here is the official announcement on PR Newswire:

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/wendy-naugle-appointed-editor-in-chief-of-people-301616768.html?tc=eml_cleartime KoolJool817 (talk) 16:44, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

@KoolJool817: Thanks. I suggest you update your own website. https://people.com/author/wendy-naugle/ says she is Deputy Editor. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:33, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

We have updated PEOPLE.com with the correct information.

Thank you for updating PEOPLE's Wikipedia page so quickly.

And thank you for being so pleasant about it.

Can't say the same for "Blaze Wolf," who was rather rude.

Best,

Julie Farin KoolJool817 (talk) 18:47, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

@KoolJool817: Please remember to comment on content and not contributors. I was only upholding policy as you didn't update the source when you updated the name so it was inaccurate. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:49, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

HAVE A NICE DAY. KoolJool817 (talk) 18:51, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Please don't WP:SHOUT either. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:55, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm going to suggest that PR Newswire actually is reliable for this purpose, i.e. for uncontroversial claims about the "author" of the press release (as per WP:Perennial Sources#PR_Newswire), in this case, Dotdash Meredith. Fabrickator (talk) 18:39, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Sort categories by rating?

Is there a tool somewhere that would allow me to see the assessment ratings on all the articles in a given category? I guess it would have to be further specified by WikiProject, since different projects will have given different ratings. My specific interest right now is to sort through this list for articles rated C class or lower by Wikiproject Christianity. (It would actually also be useful to see at a glance if there were articles in that list that aren't rated by that Wikiproject, since they all ought to be.) Thanks for any help! Brian (talk) 11:33, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

• (not a full answer - others, please chime in if you can) I suspect you should ask either at WP:SQLREQ (for a one-time job) or WP:USREQ (for a stable solution), based on the following research.

The standard WikiProject quality table (e.g. Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Christianity_articles_by_quality_statistics) is generated from article categories. Therefore, my idea was a search along the lines of incategory:"Christian ethicists" deepcategory:"C-Class Christianity articles". However, that fails, because while Category:Christian ethicists applies to articles, Category:C-Class Christianity articles applies to the talk page of those articles.

As far as I can tell, there is no way to do a search "article must be in cat A and its talk page must be in cat B" from the basic wikisearch tools.

However, that is probably a rather simple task in terms of programming (get the search for the article, the search for the talk page, do a logical AND, return the list to the user). The only possibly-tricky part might be how to handle diffusing categories, but I have faith the code wizards can solve it. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 12:26, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, @Tigraan! I've posted the request over at WP:USREQ. Brian (talk) 20:22, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

1998 Seattle Mariners season article sourcing problem

Hello. Go to above article. Scroll down to Ken Griffeys 56 Home runs table, go to bottom of table where sources are, reference #27, I cant make it go to the retrosheet page, cant hook up to URL. i know I entered the URL correctly. Thank you for your help.Theairportman33531 (talk) 18:11, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

The URL itself goes to a 404. That's not a Wikipedia problem, it's just a bad link. A page that doesn't exist. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 20:23, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Wholesale replacement of an article?

A non-technologically adept friend of mine has written his own version of an already existing wiki. The page is actually on him so he figures he's the best person to update it.

He made some initial changes to the page, which were reverted, and eventually got locked out because he didn't realize that he had to put references in. He's since given me the updated copy (with references included) and has asked me to update the page. Would it be fine if I essentially copied his words wholesale and replaced the already existing text? Thanks! CuriousConservator (talk) 03:37, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

@CuriousConservator: no. don't edit the article.

declare your conflict of interest.

if you want to request changes to the article, you must create an edit request on the talk page of the article.

and may i know which article you are talking about? lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 05:00, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi! Here's the page in question: https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Ian_Gray_(Australian_magistrate)

Should I declare my specific involvement in the COI, or that the text I'm replacing is written by him? CuriousConservator (talk) 05:23, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

@CuriousConservator: declare your conflict of interest on your user page (it's User:Curious Conservator), and you should say that the text was written by him in the edit request. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 05:47, 20 October 2022 (UTC )

CuriousConservator, 22 different editors have worked on that article. Why would you propose to wipe out their work and replace it with text that the subject of the article has written? The subject should not be editing that article at all, even through a proxy like you. When you write he figures he's the best person to update it, that is exactly the opposite of how Wikipedia operates. We summarize reliable published sources that are entirely independent of the topic of the article. A person cannot possibly be independent of themself. Cullen328 (talk) 08:05, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

The view history for Ian Gray (Australian magistrate) shows no evidence of edits being reverted. Please confirm this is the article. David notMD (talk) 10:45, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

I'll have a look myself. He didn't actually do it in front of me but told me afterwards that he had tried correcting a couple of things (His year of birth is wrong, and he wanted to add that he's now a memeber of the Order of Australia). At the time, it looked like he didn't create a Wikipedia account and just tried to edit it without doing so. I'm not every experienced with wikipedia editing so I'm not sure if that makes a difference. CuriousConservator (talk) 21:02, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Chris Achilleos

I am the daughter of Chris Achilleos, my father died in December 2021. My sister and I have been left his artwork and IP and have set up a new website. His old one is still being advertised on Wikipedia and no longer works. Can we change this please. House of Achilleos (talk) 20:40, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

@House of Achilleos Hello, what is the URL? I can update the website for you. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 20:47, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much it is www.houseofachilleos.com House of Achilleos (talk) 21:16, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

@House of Achilleos All done. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 21:18, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Many thanks House of Achilleos (talk) 21:19, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

[Edit Conflict] First of all, I'm sorry for your loss: being a long-time sf and fantasy fan, I am very famliar with your father's work and have two published albums of it.

Yes, that should be an uncontroversial correction even for someone with a "Conflict of interest". If you're generally confident about how to edit Wikipedia, go ahead and replace it, leaving a concise explanation of who you are and why you're doing it in the Edit summary. If you're not confident, copy your request above (less the last sentence) into a new section on the article's Talk page and add the new site address, and someone will do it for you. If you're unsure about using Talk pages, tell us the new address here and someone will change it and add a Talk page explanation. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.212.157.244 (talk) 20:55, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much it is a great loss he was a wonderful father and an amazing artist he will missed by many. House of Achilleos (talk) 21:17, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

A page about myself

I want to know if i can create a page about myself? is this allowed or only notable people can have this page Realfaisalkhan (talk) 21:26, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the teahouse. Yes, only notable people can have this page. But if there is significant coverage of you, then it may possibly be created. However, you need to declare WP:COI-Conflict of interest. Sarrail (talk) 21:38, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

@Realfaisalkhan: Welcome to Wikipedia. Please read WP:AUTO for advice on creating an article about yourself. It is strongly discouraged. RudolfRed (talk) 21:56, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Reaqlfaisalkhan, and welcome to the Teahouse. For practical purposes, the answer is No. If you do not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then no article on you will be accepted, and you wil be wasting your time and effort to try. If you do meet the criteria, an article on you is possible, but you are strongly discouraged from trying to write it yourself, because it is unlikely that you can achieve the appropriate neutral point of view. Also note that if there is an article about you, whoever writes it, it will not belong to you, it will not be controlled by you, it will not necessarily say what you want it to say, and it should be based nearly 100% on what people unconnected with you have published about you, not on what you or your associates say or want to say. Please see an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. ColinFine (talk) 22:01, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Publishing a Text Revision on an en.Wikipedia webpage without 'damaging' the existing "Notes"

For some weeks now I have left a "Proposed Text Revision" with 21 additional new “Notes” on en.Wikipedia's "No. 25 Squadron RAAF" Talk page.

The proposed revision has not attracted any adverse comment so in the near future I would like to "Publish" the revised text with its additional new "Notes" numbered 1 to 21; please note these additional new "Notes" are intended to supplement the webpage's existing Notes 1 to 10, not replace them.

However, I am genuinely worried that if I do "Publish" my revised text with its numbered additional new "Notes" 1-21 onto the "No. 25 Squadron RAAF" page that doing so will somehow erase completely, or 'alter' the existing references and their number order. I request any advice or help as to how I can prevent adversely affecting the existing "Notes" 1 to 10 in any way.

I hope my use of bold text does not offend in any way; it is purely to clarify my concern. Shellac41 (talk) 11:17, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

• @Shellac41: What you call "notes" are called "references" in Wikipedia-tongue. You should not try to handle the numbering manually; instead, you should list them with the appropriate template (= "magic code"), and the software will do its thing to number them, order them by order of appearance etc.

To learn how to add references, it depends how you are editing. If you are using the visual editor, see the instructions at Help:VisualEditor#Adding_a_new_reference (and the next section) as well. If you are using the source code editor, see Help:Referencing for beginners.

Hopefully, that answers your question. That being said, your edit suggestion at Talk:No. 25 Squadron RAAF is a poorly-formatted wall of text; I am not surprised no editor wanted to look at it. What I would suggest to do is to introduce your modifications by small edits (rather than one gigantic edit).

For instance, you could start by adding in the single sentence and reference Squadron aircraft participated in the protection of convoys ... off WA’s mid-west coast. (1) in the "history" section. Make an edit that only adds this text and reference, and have a look at the final result - does the reference appear correctly? Is the text well-formatted? etc. Don’t worry if you don’t get it right on the first edit - you can do further edits to correct possible mistakes.

If all is fine, move on to the next edit. Start slowly, with maybe one or two edits per day - this way, if someone objects to your edits, they have time to revert you and you can start discussing. If nobody objects, you can ramp up your editing speed. Once you get more familiar with Wikipedia, you will have a feel for what is likely to be disputed or not and adjust accordingly. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 11:53, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the trouble of sending your lengthy advice, it is appreciated.

I have already responded to advice received before I read your advice:

2. I will follow up on the referencing formats as best as I can but I readily admit I am no whiz on the computer nor at understanding all of Wiki's instructions.

3. I mean no offence but if in any way acceptable I would prefer to press on with trying to "Publish" my proposed revision in toto rather than in small segments as you suggest, because (a) one response to my proposed revision has said "These changes look good to me 10:33, 21 August 2022"; (b) aged nearly 80, as an-ex member of No. 25 Squadron would like to try and revise the article in one go as there is no guarantee as to how long I will be around; and (c) I have specifically made one Wiki 'military' administrator aware of my proposed revisions and no adverse comment has been received so I am hoping that means the text is ok.

Thanks again Shellac41 (talk) 13:05, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Shellac41 and welcome to the Teahouse. The way you have cited your sources on the Talk page is not the way that they are done in Wikipedia articles and you need to read WP:CITE. The main point is that each citation is placed (in articles) between <ref> and </ref> tags. Normally these flank a template such as {{cite book}}. The software automatically re-numbers ALL the references in the article if, say, someone introduces a new reference which happens to be the first one in the text. Wikipedia editors never need to assign these reference/note numbers. Take a look at the editing history of any article and you'll see how the references section has expanded as the article develops. Many of the references from the first draft will stll be present but with new numbers in many cases. So, to proceed, edit your first revision into the main article and check (using "preview") that, indeed, its new reference gets an appropriate number. Proceed to publish when you are happy all is well: if problems arise with the first edit that you don't understand, then seek more help. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:38, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Mike

I tried to present my additional new "Notes" following Wiki's format examples under Content 3. What information to include; 3.1 Examples and 3.1.1 to 3.1.4 being books etc on Wikipedia:Citing sources webpage (https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Books).

Questions:

1. Have I somehow failed to follow those examples correctly in quoting my sources in the proposed revision "Notes"?

2. If I understand your advice correctly, once the additional new "Notes" are considered to be in the correct format if I then "Publish" Wiki will automatically incorporate and renumber where necessary my new additional notes into the existing article without any 'damage' to the existing "Notes"? (In contrast I thought perhaps I might have to do that process manually?)

Thanks again Shellac41 (talk) 12:14, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

As best I can comprehend, on the talk page you have copied the entire article, then added new content - underlined - and below that, your proposed references. To answer your last question, yes, when refs are inserted into the text properly bracketed by ref and /ref inside of < >, the software automatically puts superscripted numbers into the text and the refs listed under References. What you add will also automatically renumber the existing refs. A few suggestions: 1) Use your Sandbox to practice properly creating references. Once the ref works, you then copy it into the article. 2) As advised above, do work piecemeal rather than all at once. 3) For each edit, remember to concisely describe what you did in the Edit summary. David notMD (talk) 12:41, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

• @Shellac41: You should definitely have a look at the tutorial I linked in my previous answer, but otherwise, I also did the proper formatting of your first reference in this edit. Have a look to understand what changed, and try to reproduce that for your other references.

Note the possibly-confusing difference between where you put the text and where it appears. You put all the reference information (author, title, URL etc.) in a single place in the source. However, in the resulting page, there is only a footnote at that location, and the reference information appears down the page. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 12:59, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, your latest advice looks very helpful. Shellac41 (talk) 13:06, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks David, I will try and follow all the advice I have received until hopefully I get it right. However, as per my other responses I would really prefer the in toto approach to the revision - I appreciate it is a riskier approach. I also certainly hope my preference does not offend anyone like yourself that has offered help to me.Shellac41 (talk) 13:13, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

A risk with "in toto" is that an editor who disagrees with several of your many changes may decide to revert everything you did - the en masse "UNDO" being easy to do - rather than look at and decide on each change separately. That editor's Edit summary would not identify what specifically triggered the revert. David notMD (talk) 15:38, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks again David for your time and help'

I now realise my good-intentioned but relatively 'un-educated' effort is not as simple and straightforward as I thought.

Sincerely hope I will be able to meet Wiki's standards without causing further inconvenience or angst to others. Shellac41 (talk) 01:46, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

waverly hills sanatorium

i added a ghost story page on waverly hills but it was removed because it was "vandalism" i was not vandalising the article as paranormal activity is reported there Planetarydude (talk) 00:57, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

We're an encyclopaedia, not a place to swap ghost stories. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 01:13, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

i dont think ghosts are real. i just added it because its why its well known and why its famous Planetarydude (talk) 01:30, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Planetarydude The Waverly Hills Sanatorium article section "In popular culture" lists TV and YouTube paranormal/ghost broadcasts. All of these need references. If there are additional mentions (print or other) about paranormal/ghost activity, those can be added to the list, but only if referenced. David notMD (talk) 02:13, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

i do think ghosts are real. i just said i did not because i did not want to start a fight.the reason i added "ghost stories" is because i noticed how it never mentioned about the place being haunted nor any of the local tales there that most locals in Louisville would know about. i will add references then Planetarydude (talk) 02:29, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

also im new here so i suck at editing so sorry if i make mistakes Planetarydude (talk) 02:40, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello Planetarydude. All Wikipedia editors were newcomers at one time, and made a few mistakes. You may want to read Learn to Edit which could be of help. Best wishes on future projects. Karenthewriter (talk) 02:56, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Issues replying to messages

Hi. I am having replying to messages. I won't let me type in the box. I have to use the edit button to add the message manually.Cwater1 (talk) 17:49, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi, the reply-to-message feature is currently experimental, so it can be a bit buggy at times. Sorry about that.

Anyways, could you describe what browser you're using (and what version)? This could help us answer your question. 𝐒𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐧𝐛𝐥𝐢𝐬𝐬 (let's chat!) 19:48, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Microsoft Edge. Skin: Vector Legacy (2010)Cwater1 (talk) 00:07, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cwater1: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1168. I strongly suggest you switch to using the Vector (2022) skin in Preferences → Appearance → Skin. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:14, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

No, didn't work. I might stick with this new skin though.Cwater1 (talk) 02:58, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Untitled question

Am I able to share an article through email? Earlchristopher (talk) 03:45, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Earlchristopher, and welcome to the Teahouse! You can link to a Wikipedia article in an email with a hyperlink just like you would any other web link. See this for more information about sharing Wikipedia content. Happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 04:02, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Need help improving a draft article about Australian woman

Can someone help me get this draft article improved so that it can move to mainspace? https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Glenys_Livingstone Thanks for any assistance you can provide. Kerrieburn (talk) 04:05, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Kerrieburn, this is about somebody "who has made significant contributions to the feminist pagan community and is the creator of the earth-based goddess movement known as PaGaian Cosmology". Perhaps people who frequent Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Neopaganism would be able to make suggestions. -- Hoary (talk) 04:51, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I've asked for assistance on that page. Cheers Kerrieburn (talk) 05:02, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

@Kerrieburn In addition to what Hoary said, I can tell you that it's not likely going to be published unless you can add several more sources that indicate the subject is notable for Wikipedia, which as you probably know, must be significant coverage in reliable sources. Right now, the article clearly is well-put together, but the quality of the sources themselves are not likely to pass the WP:GNG requirements when it's reviewed. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 05:02, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Kerrieburn, what Pyrrho said; also, don't source material to Livingstone herself. Reliable sources are required, and one of the criteria for reliability is independence of the subject. -- Hoary (talk) 05:12, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Tips and help needed for new article

I have started an article in my userspace draft called Race and transportation in the United States, which is about a major issue that continues today. What tips can I receive to improve it? I will add more sources. Fastfoodfanatic (talk) 16:41, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Fastfoodfanatic, and welcome to the Teahouse. I have to say that this draft sounds more like an essay than an article in an encyclopedia. It is full of unsourced, WP:POV statements.

Asparagusus (interaction) 19:00, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

There are numerous sources for your claim about highways, e.g. U.S. freeways flattened Black neighborhoods nationwide (Reuters). Also, this issue is mentioned in Interstate Highway System#Impact and reception.

I'm not addressing whether this is suitable as an article or not, you'll need to take a neutral point of view and not cherry-picking sources to support your personal belief, e.g. you should not avoid incorporating material that supports the idea that minorities benefited from these transportation improvements. Fabrickator (talk) 19:28, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

@Fastfoodfanatic:, I have a tip for you, concerning the article title. This is not a pressing issue, as if there's an issue with the title, it can be resolved later, after the article is developed. Nevertheless, Wikipedia's article title policy says this:

The title indicates what the article is about and distinguishes it from other articles.

The issue I have with the current title, is that the first thing I thought of when I read your proposed article was the Montgomery bus boycott, but scanning your article, the boycott wasn't even mentioned, and doesn't really seem to fit with what you have in mind, either. (On the other hand, I can't read your mind, so perhaps you do plan to include it.)

The current title seems to insufficiently meet the "distinguish" clause based on current content. Looking at your article, I'm guessing that what you have in mind is something more like, "Race and transportation planning in the United States", but I'm not really sure that's it, either.

What I recommend that you do, is to make a list of as many possible titles you can think of, and head over to Google Scholar; do a search for each one of them, and compare the result sets. Whichever one has results which seem to be the most relevant to your chosen topic compared to the other queries, is likely to be the best title (to a first approximation, at least). For example, here's a Scholar search for race and transportation planning – how do they look? Keep trying other ones, and compare. If you want more tips, ping me from the Talk page of your Draft. Good luck! Mathglot (talk) 06:35, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Governor Clay

I'd like to know how I can replace the photo on my Wikipedia page with one that's more recent. Last of the Big Time Spenders (talk) 19:44, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Governor Clay - 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:48, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

You can upload a photo that you own, or have publishing rights to, to the commons. Then I suggest you go to the article Talk Page, state your conflict of interest, and suggest why you believe a different image would better serve readers. The fact is, images in a biography should be relatively recent, but they should not necessarily be updated constantly to reflect "better" or more recent images. The current image is at least 8 years old, though. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 20:44, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. To disagree slightly with Pyrrho: it is not enough that you own the photo: in order to upload it, you must either control the rights to it, or get the rights-holder to carry out the procedure described in donating copyright materials. You are unlikely to control the rights to a picture of yourself unless it was a selfie, or you have a contract or other legal document specifically assigning the rights to you. ColinFine (talk) 21:55, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

To clarify, Last of the Big Time Spenders, the copyright of a photograph usually belongs to the photographer, not the subject. If you can get a friend/relative to take a picture and upload it at commons:Special:UploadWizard, it’s fine (but they have to agree to the licensing stuff, not you). Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 08:31, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Article on Radical Empathy

Hi! I wrote an article on radical empathy yesterday and it was declined because of no wish for neologisms. However, when deciding to write the article, I found another article on radical compassion, and thought an article on radical empathy would therefore also be suitable. Furthermore, the article is not just a term or definition, it is also an overview of different understandings of the term. I am wondering why the article on radical empathy is not considered suitable while the article on radical compassion is. Thank you for your help:)

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Radical_Empathy https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Radical_compassion Amstall (talk) 10:57, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

First off, the fact that there is a similar articles counts for nothing. See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Secondly, your draft says Radical empathy is a term coined by several people... There is no clear consensus on the meaning of the term. This alone signals its failure to meet Wikipedia's standards. You first need to find significant coverage in reliable sources completely independent of the topic. See WP:YFA. Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:11, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Amstall, and welcome to the Teahouse. Radical compassion is a seriously weak article, because it has no independent sources, and I have tagged it accordingly. However, there do seem to be a few academic sources for the concept, so it is possible that it meets Wikipedia's requirements for notability, and I have not nominated it for deletion. It needs somebody to go in and look at the sources, and make sure that it is a summary of the independent writing about the subject, not simply reporting what the inventor of the term said about it.

Draft:Radical Empathy appears to have similar issues, but compounded by the fact that there are different uses of the term, coined by different people. Until there are scholarly works by people unconnected with any of those coiners, analysing and discussing the term (in at least one of its uses), it will not be suitable material for Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 11:20, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Alright, thank you for the clarification Amstall (talk) 11:23, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Updating a page

Hi How do I go about getting an update made on a page? https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_Men%27s_Golf_Tournament_all-time_individual_records My son tied the NCAA record for lowest 18 hole golf round -10 60 and I'd love to have that information reflected on this page. His name is Ryan Eshleman Auburn University and he shot this score in Scottsdale at the Maui Jim Intercollegiate tournament Septemer 9th 2600:1700:6900:63D0:D1C6:5AE1:288E:C91 (talk) 13:40, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

The records on the page to which you linked are specifically for the NCAA Division I Men's Golf Championship, not for any tournament invoving collegiate teams and competitors. The 2022 NCAA championship was held last May–June in Scottsdale, Arizona. Deor (talk) 13:54, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Orphan tag

Can anyone tell me please, what is actually called Orphan tag? When and why is it used? Frryan404 (talk) 17:07, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm not the most experienced with Wikipedia, but I'm pretty sure it refers to when a page has no other pages linking into it. ThundorLord (talk) 17:11, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

@Frryan404: Welcome to Wikipedia ThundorLord is correct. An orphan article has no incoming links from other articles. See WP:ORPHAN for more info. RudolfRed (talk) 17:32, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Removing Broken Links

I have a question regarding the removal of non-existent article links (the red ones), is it acceptable to remove the link if there are no articles that are relevant to it? If an article is created it can always be corrected later. Tungstensmithy (talk) 17:21, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello,Tungstensmithy. In most cases, a red link is an indication that an editor thinks that an article should be created about the topic. These red links should be kept. The guidance is Only remove red links if you are certain that Wikipedia should not have an article on that subject. Please read Wikipedia:Red link for more information. Cullen328 (talk) 17:28, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Cullen328, Thank you, will keep in mind. Tungstensmithy (talk) 17:35, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Table of similarities

Is there any type of table that can be used to list the similarities of an animal to an another animal that also may be able to include an image? Since I wanna add something similar to that to the Hylaecullulus page to make it clearer the differences between Hylaecullulus and Primocandelabrum & Bradgatia. Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 17:30, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

How would listing similarities make the differences clearer?--User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 17:45, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Link Hover Issues

When hovering over the link of a page it often shows the most significant image along with the first paragraph. For nations, thats nearly always the national flag, but I've noticed for Turkmenistan it instead shows the borders. Is there anyway to correct this? ThundorLord (talk) 16:54, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi ThundorLord, welcome to the Teahouse. The image is picked by mw:Extension:PageImages. The documentation at mw:Extension:PageImages#How are images scored? says "images smaller than 119 pixels are weighted highly negatively". The source text of Turkmenistan says flag_size = 110px. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:08, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Cyclical wiki loop called again?

There is an article, but I forget what its called so I'd have no idea where to begin, where there is a term for the phenomenon where some news story starts off being born almost of wikipedia genesis or creation, and then news reporters trust WP enough apparently, that they go to WP and then cite that, and then it becomes real. Because now a reliable source has stated it, which is then citable on WP. That seems to me to be a potential for systemic problems. Is there anyone who has proposed a method to fix that, and does anyone know what it is that I am talking about and what it is called again? TY. — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 20:55, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi again @Oopsemoops - WP:Citeogenesis. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:56, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Excellent. Yes thats the stuff. Now what can be done about it? Anyone have major policy proposals. Seems like it was more of a major issue in the mid 2000's early days of WP. — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 20:59, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

@Oopsemoops, that's not really something which can be hashed out here at the Teahouse; obviously we have processes in place to try and prevent it, but they're not likely to ever be perfect. If you have ideas, feel free to propose them at WP:VPP or in the idea lab. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:04, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Fair. TY. — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 21:05, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

My draft article got rejected.

I'm trying to get some help in making this article i made days ago to an official page on Wikipedia. If you want to read it, here's the link: Draft:Slap Battles

Apparently my draft got rejected because it lacks in-depth, reliable, secondary, or independent sources. May one of you find out what sources related to the topic meet this criteria?

-Breerble Breerble (talk) 19:39, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Breerble, there are no in-depth, reliable, secondary, and independent sources related to the topic. The topic is not notable, and I suggest you start by improving existing articles. Sungodtemple (talk) 20:34, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Alright.

Breerble (talk) 21:30, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Neurooncología

I started the Spanish article "Neurooncología" and then deleted 95% of it from the user "Usuario:Linuxmanía". Does anyone know the solution to this? Examples of the topic can be found here https://de.wiki.x.io/wiki/Neuroonkologie or here https://nl.wiki.x.io/wiki/Neuro-oncologie. Wname1 (talk) 20:44, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Wname1, welcome back. Your question is very unclear and doesn't seem to relate to anything on English Wikipedia. Perhaps you could ask at Spanish Wikipedia's equivalent of the help desk - [4]. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:56, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

@Wname1 The editor who reverted you gave a very detailed edit summary in this diff. However, as already suggested, you need to take your views to the Spanish Talk Page, since each language version of Wikipedia runs independently. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:02, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments. Before I change to the Spanish area, there might be a user here who is also active in the Spanish area? Wname1 (talk) 21:18, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

@Wname1 If there are, they are likely to be categorised here (based on their Babel box) in Category:User es-5 or similar. You could try a few of these and look at their global contribution history. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:34, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Submitting your draft ...

I can not add my article for review because it does not exist in search bar choices Submit your draft for review at Articles for Creation (AfC)

(Draft:realestate​). Please check draft title. No such draft exists. Bushra Tughar (talk) 16:23, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: User:Bushra Tughar/sandbox - 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:30, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Bushra Tughar: You should be able to submit your draft by using the blue button labeled "Submit your draft for review!" and following the instructions. Note that for the time being, your draft's title is User:Bushra Tughar/sandbox, not Draft:realestate​. The AfC reviewers will eventually rename it when it gets to mainspace. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:59, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

yes, now i have clear vision. i wish to be reviewed before this week. 4 months is a sort of long period Bushra Tughar (talk) 18:02, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Bushra Tughar. I see that you attempted to submit Draft:Business exit strategy after you posted here, but that is clearly not what you are referring to. Is it your sandbox, User:Bushra Tughar/sandbox? You can submit that by picking the blue button in the header. But I advise against it until you've cited your sources inline (see Citing sources). I also have doubts as to whether those sources have significant coverage of the company, though I haven't attempted to translate the Arabic to check. ColinFine (talk) 16:54, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Is my article not well cited?, I wish to get detailed advice for avoiding being blocked Bushra Tughar (talk) 18:00, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Drafts are accepted or Declined or Rejected (more severe). Neither Declined nor Rejected put the creating editor at risk for being blocked. The backlog of drafts waiting for review is not a queue, so action can happen in hours, days, weeks, or (sadly) months. Your Sandbox draft was submitted and Declined, same day. Your Business exit strategy is awaiting a Reviewer. David notMD (talk) 19:27, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

As I say, Bushra Tughar, I haven't attempted to examine the sources cited. But judging from your translations of the titles, I would not expect any of them to contain significant coverage of the company. They look like passing mentions, apart from the one about the diabetes camp, which may have more about the company. But my guess is 1) that the article is about that one activity by the company, not about the company, and 2) that it is based on a press release from the company - again, I may be wrong. ColinFine (talk) 22:05, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Slide Show (secondary spelling) entry should be Slideshow (noun) spelled correctly

How does the slide show entry get corrected to the primary rather than variant (secondary) spelling which would be "slideshow" (noun). If you do a search for "slideshow" you will find its the dominant spelling. How does this get corrected? Flibbertigibbets (talk) 23:12, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

N-Gram shows "slide show" as the dominant usage in books from 1940 - 2019 which you can see here. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 23:16, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

@Flibbertigibbets: It was moved from Slideshow to Slide show in 2010.[5] The title has been stable for 12 years and a move would probably be controversial so don't move it without discussion. See Wikipedia:Requested moves if you want to propose a move. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:07, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

I could make the entry consistent to "slide show." The article has no sources.. Flibbertigibbets (talk) 01:43, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Flibbertigibbets, the lack of sources can be corrected easily by any motivated editor. A Google Books search shows that a couple of books have been written about the topic of slide shows, and many other books devote significant coverage to this topic. Cullen328 (talk) 02:31, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

thanks.. Flibbertigibbets (talk) 02:54, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Moved sandbox to draft, requesting assistance with re-directs

Hi, I just submitted a draft for review for the first time. I composed the draft in my sandbox, then submitted it, and it suggested I move it to draft space, which I did. The page showed a message reminding me to clean up after the move, but I'm afraid I don't understand what steps need to be done to do so, even after reading the links. I fear I broke something. As I understand it, my sandbox is currently a redirect page and I have to do something to free up my sandbox to compose another article for submission. Is this right? Thank you kindly for your time. GuineaPig_C77 (𒅗𒌤) ☕ 22:38, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Peru–Yale University dispute looks fascinating, GuineaPigC77. I expect a quick promotion to article status. (I'd embark on this myself, if I weren't pushed for time right now.) Feel free to edit your "sandbox" afresh. (If you click on that link, you won't be redirected.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:53, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @Hoary! Yes, it's an interesting story and I was surprised to not find any coverage here, but it was a fun article to work on. Thanks for the feedback. I think I get what happened now with the sandbox and I'll just start fresh. GuineaPig_C77 (𒅗𒌤) ☕ 03:14, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Adding a picture

how do I add the picture AmirMehdiKazmi (talk) 17:16, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, AmirMehdiKazmi. Please read Help:Pictures. Feel free to ask more specific questions. Cullen328 (talk) 17:34, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Work on getting your draft accepted. Adding images does not make a draft more likely to be accepted. If you get that far, the easiest will be if you yourself have taken photos of Mehdi. David notMD (talk) 03:54, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

United States Polo Association

Asking that an Admin give an opinion on United States Polo Association. Recently, a single-purpose editor User:MadelynBlum has been adding a lot of content, either verbatim from the USPA website (reverted and warned about copyright infringement), or else in my opinion closely paraphrased from same site. My concerns are two: 1) Is much of the current content promotional to a degree that article should be Speedy deleted? 2) Given the majority (all?) of references are to USPA sources, should the article be AfD'd? I strongly believe that the Association is article-worthy given its long history, but am troubled by its current state.David notMD (talk) 19:24, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Non-admin comment: If I might speculate, the 2022 sale/takeover of the organization has precipitated a review of its public face, including its Wikipedia article. The edit summary "Wikipedia updates as discussed with the USPA." is informative. The wording of the first two sections reeks of promotion, as if the intent is to mirror the website as much as possible. I asssume the article could be rolled back to the last encyclopedic version, rather than being deleted (I assume there has also been a recent move/rename of some sort). User:MadelynBlum needs to declare their paid editing status immediately and only make edit suggestions going forward.--Quisqualis (talk) 21:57, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

It sounds as if MadelynBlum has the all-too-common misconception that Wikipedia's article about the Association is in any way owned by, controlled by, or for the benefit of, the Association. ColinFine (talk) 22:10, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

I have reverted the article to the state before MadelynBlum started editing it. I have also pageblocked that editor fron that article, although the editor is free to make well-referenced edit requests on the article talk page. Cullen328 (talk) 01:50, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the bold actions (revert and block). The article still sorely lacks references, David notMD (talk) 03:57, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

My IP address was blocked

My IP address was blocked for no clear reason, or no chance to reveal my issues and intentions. I cannot even send them any messages. This is my IP address (165

Bushra Tughar (talk) 20:46, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Bushra Tughar, welcome to the Teahouse. I reverted a link added to your message by an IP - not sure what's going on there, since you say you're IP blocked. You appear to be able to post here using your account. You're blocked on ar.wiki; are they the ones who've blocked your IP? There's nothing we can do about it on English Wikipedia, if that's the case. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:55, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

is it possible to write in English her on this site, and then publish the article in more than English language?



Bushra Tughar (talk) 21:00, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

@Bushra Tughar, English Wikipedia only hosts articles written in English. Other language Wikipedias host articles written in those languages. You can use whatever language you like in draft space as you're working on an article, either translating to or from English (or the local language), but once you go to publish, it must be in the language appropriate for the wiki you're publishing on. You cannot write an article here and then somehow get it published on ar.wiki, if that's what you're asking, no matter the language. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:06, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

I think the IP address changes all the time. There should be a way to challenge the block.Cwater1 (talk) 23:00, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cwater1 Some IP addresses change frequently, and some don't. Mine seems to stay the same for a month, then change to something else for six months, then three months (kind of at random). Mine is cable internet, but my old DSL used to do about ths same. David10244 (talk) 05:03, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia Redirect for "RajC300 Mehta'

Hi. I searched about film director Raj Mehta but his Wikipedia page is redirected 1 to movie Good Newwz. I think he is now notable enough to have his own Wikipedia page. He has directed hit movies like Good Newwz, Jugjugg Jeeyo and Ajeeb Daastaans. He also wrote the dialogues of Good Newwz. Previously he assisted in movies like Badrinath Ki Dulhania and Kapoor & Sons. He was also nominated by Filmfare Awards for Best Debut Director. My question is how do we remove the redirect? Thanks. Fifthapril (talk) 05:02, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

@fifthapril: for a person to have an article, they must be notable by wikipedia standards. this means that you must at least two or three have reliable sources that cover the person significantly. directing and assisting in movies, and being nominated for awards, means nothing for wikipedia notability if there are no sources that document those events. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 05:11, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Lettherebedarklight. Thank you for the feedback. I appreciate it. I asked the question because the person is notable now and we can find reliable sources. A few of them are here 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. Thanks. Fifthapril (talk) 06:37, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

@fifthapril: none of your sources prove raj mehta's notability. note that interviews do not contribute towards someone's notability, as they are not independent.

Source assessment table

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
1	is an interview with the subject	moot	moot	✘ No
2	is an interview with the subject	moot	moot	✘ No
3	is an interview with the subject	moot	moot	✘ No
4		moot	article is mostly about the film, only mentions raj mehta as the director of the film and his role in dharma productions and good newwz	✘ No
5	is an interview with the subject	moot	moot	✘ No
6	is an interview with the subject	moot	moot	✘ No
7	is an interview with the subject	moot	moot	✘ No
8	is an interview with the subject	moot	moot	✘ No
9		moot	talks about raj mehta only as the director for selfiee, and his announcements about it	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 08:05, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

@Lettherebedarklight Thank you for the assessment. There are more references available and will share it. Thanks again for the feedback. I appreciate it. Fifthapril (talk) 07:23, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Neopronouns

Is there any Wikipedia consensus/guideline/essay/MOS about usage of neopronouns? I searched through MOS and essays but I couldn't find anything about neopronouns. Roostery123 (talk) 08:50, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

If there is, it would be somewhere in the MoS or known to the people who are most interested in the MoS. So the best place to ask would be Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style. -- Hoary (talk) 09:30, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

According to MOS:GENDERID, When the subject of the article identifies with neopronouns, the pronouns should default to singular they. I wish this were written a bit more clearly, but I think this means that Wikipedia articles should use singular they instead of neopronouns. CodeTalker (talk) 15:54, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

There is a current RfC on neopronoun usage at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Gender identity#Neopronouns. Thatbox (talk) 14:03, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

I just added that clause in the MOS after searching for articles of people with neopronouns and various article-specific discussions in the past. But it turns out I should have made a proper RfC(though somebody else already did). Roostery123 (talk) 14:15, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Is kinemaster a notable article?

Kinemaster seems to be very notable. I seen refs from notable websites: 1 2 3 4 5 is it enough to have it's own article? SMBMovieFan (talk) 22:48, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

I clicked on the first of your links, SMBMovieFan. What I saw there starts: KineMaster launched a thoughtfully designed app to help entrepreneurs and small-medium business owners to build their empires in the digital age. / May 18, 2022 15:30 ET / Source: KineMaster. So it's mere PR junk from KineMaster and utterly worthless in establishing notability. -- Hoary (talk) 22:56, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

@SMBMovieFan You had a poor choice of the first ref but the others do seem to be genuine reviews from WP:INDEPENDENT reliable sources, so based on WP:THREE you should be OK for a draft. Keep it simple and neutral and use the AfC process so experienced reviewers can comment. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:11, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Draft:KineMaster SMBMovieFan (talk) 15:56, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Alaska Life Below Zero other families

There was another family I believe the father's name was Robert he and his wife had 2 daughters one was named Molly. The daughters had some sort of hereditary disease that affected their eyes They were all very soft spoken even in whispers sometimes because they didn't want to startle wild life where they were living. The last I saw them the two girls were getting ready to go away (to college?) Does anyone else remember who they were? Libra0927 (talk) 15:32, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Libra0927, and welcome to the Teahouse! This is a place for new users to ask questions about editing Wikipedia. Do you have a question along those lines?

Asparagusus (interaction) 16:03, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Libra0927, please read Life Below Zero. In the future, the Reference Desk - Entertainment is a better place for this type of question. Cullen328 (talk) 17:08, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Declined article / request for more feedback

Hello! My article was recently declined a second time, although I edited it after receiving the first feedback. I thought I addressed raised points, but apparently, there's still something I'm missing. Would it be possible to receive more detailed feedback so I can ensure that the article won't be rejected again?

Here's the article in question: Draft:SUBTLE – The Subtitlers' Association. I tried to use articles of similar associations as a template/inspiration, e.g. Institute of Translation & Interpreting, European Association for Studies in Screen Translation, Translators Association.

To be honest, I fail to see how my article "read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia" compared to them. Is it more about the phrasing of specific paragraphs or insufficient notability of the subject?

Any help would be most appreciated. Thank you! Nyjja (talk) 17:19, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Nujja, I think it's about the failure of the draft to establish that the subject is notable. Which three of the sources cited do most, in your opinion, to establish that STABLE is notable? Note that articles based on statements by or interviews with spokespeople for the association don't help. Maproom (talk) 17:48, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

The draft does indeed read like an advertisement, because it's based on what its representatives have said. If you got rid of all or most of those sources, and the content based on them, and relied on what independent sources have said, you'd have a much better article. Maproom (talk) 17:58, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer, Maproom. SUBTLE is a part of an umbrella federation, AudioVisual Translators Europe, and I use its website as one of the sources. There are also few links to academic conferences where SUBTLE members took part as the experts. I think they would count as independent sources. What would be your opinion? Nyjja (talk) 18:32, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Nyjja. "Links to academic conferences where SUBTLE members took part as the experts" would not help in the least. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. That is the only kind of reference that can contribute to establishing notability. Unfortunately, if few people have written about the association (not its members, but the association) then it is probably not notable in Wikipedia's terms. ColinFine (talk) 19:19, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Godzilla B.O.

• I realized the Godzilla vs. Destoroyah's box office numbers in the chart and in the article are very different. I changed it to the latter.
• City on the Edge of Battle had an unsourced box office number, so I just converted 150 million yen into "May 2018" USD
• FW's box office mojo numbers and JP sourced numbers have a difference of at least 3 million. AT least you can acknowledge that...

Overall, some of the stuff in the franchise box office numbers conflict with the articles or just... basic common sense. DougheGojiraMan (talk) 19:37, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse!{{@DougheGojiraMan}}. The Teahouse isn't a great venue for content questions, unfortunately. Your best course is to repost your Teahouse inquiries on the relevant talk pages of the articles involved. The "talk" page is accessed via a tab at the top of the article page. Welcome to the Teahouse!--Quisqualis (talk) 19:45, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Oh I see. Thank you DougheGojiraMan (talk) 19:46, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Citation templates and chapters

I'm sure this is plainly addressed somewhere, but I can't find a guideline or MOS page that cleanly spells it out. I know that citation templates are generally a matter of personal preference, but are there circumstances where I should prioritize one over the others or that one might be better suited (for example, using Template:Sfn over Template:Harvnb and Template:Rp)? And more specifically, how does this apply to citing specific chapters in a book? Is there a standard for what to do or what format to use if I'm citing one chapter from a book where each chapter is written by a different author? Thebiguglyalien (talk) 18:46, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

{{@Thebiguglyalien}}, Greetings! Citation style should be uniform in any article.

Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Variation_in_citation_methods makes no mention of how to choose a citation style (you may have seen this), so I assume it's safe to WP:BEBOLD and choose your preferred style in a new article.

Template:Cite_book#Examples, in the sixth example listed, tells how to cite a chapter in a compilation-type book.--Quisqualis (talk) 20:03, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

How should I cite the page numbers of a chapter? Do I include the page numbers of the chapter as a whole in the Reflist and then individual page numbers using Sfn/Harvnb/Rp? And what if I use two chapters from the same book? Do I include both of them as their own unique references, duplicating the book info? Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:21, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

If the chapters have different authors you will need to create separate references. If the chapter is short, just give the page numbers of the chapter and you won't need to indicate the particular page each time you use the source.

If the entire book is by the same authors we don't usually indicate chapters, just the pages that the material comes from. Do you have an example of what you are trying to do? It sounds rather more complicated than the usual cases. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:40, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

I typically use chapters of books when I edit. Frances Cleveland is the most recent article where I've used chapters of books. I'm asking because I recently got Caroline Harrison to GA, and the reviewer had me do it differently. Since I use book sources so often (especially in large edits), I want to know how I should be using them in different circumstances. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:31, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Multiple licenses on an image

Do forgive me if this question has been answered before, but what is the protocol for images with two or more licenses on it (e.g., public domain and CC BY)? Which license should be followed if I want to use it? ProfessorM2112 (talk) 22:15, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

@ProfessorM2112: Best practices on how to use multi-license files are described at Commons:Commons:Multi-license copyright tags. ––FormalDude (talk) 22:21, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Excuse me, but the link did not redirect me to any such page. ProfessorM2112 (talk) 22:25, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

@ProfessorM2112: My apologies, link fixed. ––FormalDude (talk) 22:31, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Adding a missing genus.

I've noticed a missing genus (Tyndis, it's on the List of Pyralidae genera, but it leads to the ancient Greek city) but I haven't been on wikipedia long enough to add it. If anyone could take care of that, that would be great. Here's a link to some usable information: https://www.nhm.ac.uk/our-science/data/butmoth/search/GenusList2.dsml?AUTHOR=Ragonot&beginIndex=270&searchPageURL=BrowseAuthors%2edsml%3fAUTHOR%3dRagonot%26beginIndex%3d210

Thanks!

Balnibarbarian (talk) 17:28, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

It's a moth genus, btw.

Balnibarbarian (talk) 17:29, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

I just realized this should probably be an article request.

Well, while I'm here, Rabiria is also on the list, but redirects to Rabiria gens.

I guess I should just make those links red. If I knew how. Balnibarbarian (talk) 17:56, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to do it in the source editor, but in the visual editor you can highlight the text you want to link and click the add link button as normal. If you look up a page that doesn't exist yet it'll show up with a red link. Hope that helps! AcidicAlloy (talk) 18:02, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! Balnibarbarian (talk) 18:09, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Balnibarbarian, in making the red links, you can avoid the redirect problem by linking as: Tyndis (moth) and Rabiria (moth) to achieve disambiguation. If the red-linked articles get written, disambiguation pages will be made for Tyndis and/or Rabiria. --Quisqualis (talk) 20:10, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! I was having trouble getting them red. Balnibarbarian (talk) 00:03, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

En Dash Question

The style requirements for the pages I am working on necessitate the use of &ndash; to produce an en dash. Methods such as inserting an en dash from the menu at the top which displays those most frequently used pieces of punctuation, or use of the alt code alt + 0150 produce the "–" symbol itself in Visual editing. This is not the desired outcome, and I have had to resort to copying an en dash from another entry in Visual editing in order to get the desired result when viewed in Source editing.

My question is simple. How, if indeed it is possible, do I type or produce an en dash in Visual editing that displays as &ndash; in Source editing without either copying it from an existing entry or using Source editing? Kxcii (talk) 21:40, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

I don't use visual editing, so I don't know if this will work, but I don't see why not. When I want to get an HTML character to appear properly, I escape that character. So I write –, which displays as –. (Note: don't look at the source code of what I just posted: I had to do an extra level of escaping to get it to look right. If you type exactly what you see, that should work). ColinFine (talk) 22:20, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

You could remap your keyboard, Kxcii. I've remapped mine (not for "–" but to swap the functions of the keys marked "CapsLock" and "Ctrl"). I suspect that many people are like me in virtually never using their right "Alt" key; one might separate the two "Alt" keys, leaving the left one as is and remapping hyphen-while-right-Alt-key-is-pressed as en-dash. How you do any of this depends on your computer's operating system. -- Hoary (talk) 22:27, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

The question is not about how to display – in the rendered text but how to produce that code in the source text instead of the actual character. It's required by the second-last bullet at Wikipedia:WikiProject Days of the year#Style and {{DOY editnotice}}. I think it's an odd requirement and don't know whether it's possible to satisfy in VisualEditor without copying it from somewhere. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:34, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

I blame caffeine deficiency, PrimeHunter, but you may attribute my oversight to simple stupidity. My next suggestions – (A) skip the "visual editor", or (B) use the one-character, two-byte "–" and leave "fixing" (?) this to editors who like to fret over it – would probably cause offence, so I'd better not make either. -- Hoary (talk) 22:46, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

To "produce that code in the source text", you simply need to type it. It will get rendered as an endash to the reader, but the source will remain the same. If you need to render the text "&ndash;" to the screen, you can type "&amp;ndash;" as mentioned above. I looked at those links but fail to see how either of those two options would not be sufficient. If you can be specific about what you need done, and why you need it, I think that would be helpful. WPscatter ^t/_c 04:41, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Not really a solution but the insertion toolbar(bottom of edit box,just above edit summary) in desktop source mode does include endash. 23:35, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Article about a failed musical

Ok, so I made a draft about a failed musical written by Stephen Sondheim, Square One. The draft was quickly reviewed and declined. One specific thing was said, “it probably isn’t notable if it hasn’t made it’s debut.” They also said I needed citations of substance, which given the context of the subject material, there is truly only so much a source can give. I feel as though the citations give context for what it is, who wrote it, specific important dates and timeframes. The reviewer obviously thought otherwise. Despite that I’m too stubborn to give up. So if I wanted to get it published, what is my next step? Morgo0915 (talk) 02:37, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Morgo0915, if their is limited source material consider adding a small section to Sondheim's article where it would likely be WP:DUE and then creating the title of musical as a redirect to the section in Sondheim's article. Alternatively, discussion on his talk page about the musical may uncover additional sources or guidance from those more familiar with his careerSlywriter (talk) 02:51, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Square One (Musical) David notMD (talk) 02:52, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Morgo0915, since Sondheim died about two months after the project was announced, I consider it unlikely that the encyclopedia would benefit from a freestanding article about it. I am certain, though, that this sentence is inappropriate for an encyclopedia article: It is truly not known at present whether or not Square One will make it’s debut, but we hope that one day it may grace the stage and it’s audience. Cullen328 (talk) 02:59, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328 Because of the unnecessary apostrophes? (Just kidding)David10244 (talk) 06:50, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Actually there are lots if "it's" that are wrong, in the draft. Pinging @Morgo0915 to fix those. David10244 (talk) 06:54, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Random names in Bollywood films

Bollywood films have a lot of credits where a random name will be in brackets next to someone's name ie John Smith (Dave)

Does anyone know what those random names in brackets represent?

They're not companies, they're not place names, and they're not character names...

So I suspect they're either:

• A surname that they don't normally use
• A middle name that they don't normally use, or
• A nickname

I've tried searching for some of these random names, along with the actual names of the people credited, yet I still can't work out what they're supposed to be. Danstarr69 (talk) 02:41, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

I looked and can't find any examples. Could you provide one? Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 05:46, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

@Danstarr69: Hello. Do you mean actor's real name or character's name? I guess it may be character's nickname. Not sure though. Like Skipper says above, example would be good. —usernamekiran (talk) 07:16, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Usernamekiran just random names in brackets next the real names of cast and crew members.

Sometimes it will be things like:

• Companies they worked for
• Places they worked in
• Cast members they worked for

etc in brackets, however sometimes the name in brackets won't be any of them.

It'll take forever to search for all the others in the 1000s of credits I've added/updated lately, however the latest one I've found is in the opening credits of the film 1920 London (I've not gone through the end credits yet, apart from to correct the cast), where it says...

• First Assistant Director - Salar Shaikh (Raja)

What is Raja? Danstarr69 (talk) 08:54, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Pyrrho the Skipper here's another from the film Commando 3 (film)...

• Car Rig - Shahida Parveen Shaikh (Mushtaq)

What is Mushtaq? Danstarr69 (talk) 09:16, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

@Danstarr69 As the Wikipedia aticle doesn't go into that level of detail for cast and crew (nor should it) I don't think it matters very much. In this particular case IMDB may actually be a better source. According to the full IMDB listing, the car rig was Shahida Parveen Shaikh (the IMDB equivalent of WP:COMMONNAME) but actually credited as Shahida Parveen Shaikh Mushtaq in that particular film's credits. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:53, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Michael D. Turnbull I added the name to IMDB like that, as IMDB requires "credits to be added exactly the same as they are on screen", yet there's a problem with that as brackets can't be added inside the attribute brackets.

I'm trying to concentrate on updating just 5 Bollywood feature films, however I'm getting distracted with countless more Bollywood productions which have the same cast/crew members, yet have countless names, and countless duplicate profiles, just like with every English production I update, however Bollywood ones are on an even bigger scale with the amount of misspelt names and duplicate profiles they contain.

Right now I'm trying to sort out some of the countless duplicate profiles of 3 different Bollywood music duos (who have worked on some of those films), who have been added to IMDB multiple times with misspelt names as separate people, and again with misspelt names as duos. There must be at least 20 separate profiles for those 3 duos/6 singular people. Basically there should be 9 profiles for them maximum, if you include them as individuals and duos, not 20+ profiles.

Many more of the music related people on the productions those duos have worked on also have 3+ duplicate profiles each, which I'll be merging once I've checked the credits on each production. Danstarr69 (talk) 13:08, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

All of that explains why here at Wikipedia we don't consider IMDB as a reliable source. I guess you'll have to take your issues up with them, not us. The websites have no relationship to one another. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:19, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Michael D. Turnbull my issue is...

What do the random names in brackets in Bollywood films mean?

It's a question which applies to both Wikipedia and IMDB.

All the other stuff I can sort out myself, but I can't sort out those two credits until I know what those random names in brackets in the on-screen credits mean. Danstarr69 (talk) 13:49, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Raja here is a nickname. In case of Shahida Parveen Shaikh (Mushtaq) — Shaikh, and Mushtaq are last names. It seems to be nee, and new name. Not sure which one is which though. Regarding the issue in general, we should remove the bracketed names. —usernamekiran (talk) 14:58, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Usernamekiran finally an answer to one of my questions on Teahouse. I can't remember the last time that happened.

If I see anymore random names in brackets next to names in on-screen credits, I'll just add it as an extra surname in the productions credits on IMDB, then add that extra surname as a nickname on their IMDB profile.

I know that Sikh's like adding the same "Singh" to their names, as I found out a few years ago.

There's a famous Sikh family of 3 brothers who grew up near me (not that anyone in the city realises), who are have always been credited by different names...

• Sometimes they have Singh as their last name.
• Sometimes Singh is used as their middle name.
• Sometimes their first names are abbreviated
• Sometimes their first names are misspelt
• Plus two of the three brothers also have stage names

A few years ago I tried to find out whether Singh was part of their actual names, after randomly finding out that their dad had written some of their songs in a blockbuster Bollywood film, by checking their names on Companies House.

However that didn't reveal any answers as even though their dad uses Singh as his only surname, the 3 brothers still switch their Singh back and forth with other surname repeatedly, on the profiles for the companies they own. Danstarr69 (talk) 06:55, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Mistakenly attributed activity

Hi, I don't edit wikipedia at all, but today i got a message saying an edit on a page my ip address apparently made in 2012 (when I was a kid and not on a computer) saying one of my edits had been removed as it " did not appear to be constructive". I was just wondering if any one knew why this could have happened specifically at this time and if there was any danger to my device/online safety. This is a 3 year old laptop. I would appreciate any clarification. Regards 220.244.78.195 (talk) 05:35, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

It was ten years ago. IPs are not tied to a particular piece of hardware, and they can change with time, so it was not you. Ignore the stale warning or delete it. Meters (talk) 06:55, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

GA Nomination Failed

I have been behind the article Mammootty to make it a GA. But I have failed after a long time. Talk:Mammootty/GA1 Can anyone explain to me what is the real problem found by the second reviewer. In short and understandable manner can anyone explain it. Did they mention that I copied from any website, or the sources says different things? Please help Paavamjinn (talk) 08:50, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

• The reviewer wrote "four of the five footnotes I looked at don't accurately cite the material". The reviewer looked at five footnotes. Each implied that a certain proposition was (or certain propositions were) presented in a particular source. But for four of the five sources, the proposition was (or propositions were) not in the cited source. This is a major problem; and if I had been the reviewer, it would have been enough for me to fail the article. But it's only one of several major problems. (Yes, another is plagiarism.) -- Hoary (talk) 09:22, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Trove article referencing on enc.Wiki article

In an articles edit page I have referenced a trove article by trying to use a Wiki Trove template as follows:

Under the articles "References" heading it shows, as a link, as follows:

"CITY OF PERTH: Deeds of R.A.A.F. Squadron: The West Australian, Perth, WA; page 4, 25 August 1945". Trove. National Library of Australia. Retrieved 15 September 2022.

However, when I double-click on this reference I just get an error message "Title 51765008 could not be found." but if I if you copy the articles title "CITY OF PERTH: Deeds of R.A.A.F. Squadron" to https://trove.nla.gov.au/search/advanced/category/newspapers the newspaper article comes up right away.

Using this example can you advise me how fill out Wiki's Trove template correctly so the Reference links properly and directly to the article on Trove?

Maybe my problem is that I cant seem to be able to find the correct id-number at the end of the Trove url. Thanks Shellac41 (talk) 12:10, 22 October 2022 (UTC) Shellac41 (talk) 12:10, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Shellac41. See the box starting "This is a template for citing newspaper summary pages on Trove" at Template:Cite Trove newspaper. It can only produce url's starting with https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/title/ like https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/title/123. You don't want a newspaper summary but a specific article with the url https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/51765008. The box says: "To cite an article available at Trove, use a citation template such as {{cite news}}, {{cite web}}, or {{citation}}". PrimeHunter (talk) 13:22, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

@Shellac41 So, to be specific, I'd use "City of Perth: Deeds of R.A.A.F. Squadron". The West Australian. 1945-08-25. p. 4.. See source code for the markup. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:35, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Mike, please excuse my ignorance but I can't find on Wiki what you call "source code for the markup"? Shellac41 (talk) 03:18, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Shellac41 I suspect he means, switch from visual mode to source code so you can see how he's written the reference.

You can also see it in the edit history, or by pressing edit on this post.

It's what I do when I don't know how to do something or forgotten how to do something on Wikipedia, like making a table for example. I just go to an article where I know a table exists, copy the source code for the table, paste the source code for the table in the article I want it, and replace the information in the table with information related to the article I pasted it in. Danstarr69 (talk) 07:17, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, very helpful. Shellac41 (talk) 12:58, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Have done as suggested so hope references are correct now.Shellac41 (talk) 13:00, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

References

Updating Issue

My reason for the update wasn't concise enough.

The domain name system could be used to create "ASCII art" and even "Word art". eg lo-ok com or 0n0 com, and the most accessible art in the form of cheap media. Radiobutton (talk) 12:07, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Appears to be about reverted edit to Word art. Right place to discuss is the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 13:37, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Re:Page AmirMehdiKazmi

Dear Teahouse, Can I request the update for the page created by me. when it will be published and if I need to do any more edit Page is AmirMehdiKazmi AmirMehdiKazmi (talk) 08:52, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

AmirMehdiKazmi, there is no chance of Draft:Amir Mehdi being accepted in its current state, at it cites no sources. Maproom (talk) 09:33, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Actually it does. There's a list at the end. But, AmirMehdiKazmi, which part of the draft can be found where among these listed references? -- Hoary (talk) 09:41, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

You have had feedback at Draft:Amir Mehdi and at your user talk page. Please also read the advice against trying to write an autobiography. - David Biddulph (talk) 09:36, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

All the reference link are working you can click and check , can you please pin point exaclty what I need to due to get this page accepted. AmirMehdiKazmi (talk) 09:55, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

AmirMehdiKazmi I would also suggest that you read about how an article about yourself is not necessarily a good thing. You offer references, but they are not in-line with the text. Every substantive statement about a living person must have a source. Please read Referencing for Beginners if you wish to proceed, but my advice is that you abandon attempting to edit about yourself and allow an article about you to be organically developed by independent editors that take note of your career in independent reliable sources with significant coverage of you. Go worry about your career, and less about a Wikipedia article. 331dot (talk) 10:05, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

this article is not for myself. My name is Nagma Amir. how do I contact independent editor and if there is a charge for this AmirMehdiKazmi (talk) 10:44, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not charge for anything. If you are not Amir Mehdi, you should not use his name as your username. Please change your username by visiting Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS to make a request. 331dot (talk) 10:53, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

thanks. I have requested the name change.

How do I request independent editor for edit of my page AmirMehdiKazmi (talk) 10:58, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Requested Articles is severely backlogged. You may continue to edit the draft, but you must improve the sources and apply them to statements in the article as I say above. What is your connection to Mr. Mehdi? 331dot (talk) 11:01, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Amie Mehdi is my father AmirMehdiKazmi (talk) 11:51, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

AmirMehdiKazmi (talk), ya, u probably should Carsongallas (talk) 13:42, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

You need to learn how to incorporate your list of references into the text. When you do that properly, the software automatically inserts a ref number in the text and puts the numbered references under References. See Help:Referencing for beginners. For first time editors, I recommend using your Sandbox to format refs, then copy into the article after. David notMD (talk) 10:59, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

In Early life and education, Legal career and Personal life, I deleted a lot of content that does not belong in the article. All remaining content needs to be referenced. The remainder of the article needs a lot of work. Insert the references where they belong, and delete any content that cannot be referenced. David notMD (talk) 11:15, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Here and on your Talk page, answer 331dot's question about your connection to Amir Mehdi, as you appear to have a lot of knowledge about him that suggests a personal connection. David notMD (talk) 11:17, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Last, most of your proposed references confirm that he wrote books, stories, speeches, etc. NONE of this contributes to establishing his notability in the Wikipedia sense of the word. Same for the descriptions of his actions vis-a-vis Kashmir. Unless you can add references for what people have published ABOUT him, there is no potential that this can be an article. David notMD (talk) 11:31, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

RE: "https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/User_talk:RunningStick"

Hi MrOllie/WP:TEAHOUSE "Advisers", Thanks for your feedback and your services to this free and awesome compendium of human knowledge. This is all very valuable learning for this novice contributor. The "conflict of interest" you mentioned does not exist; helping Wikipedia financially is extremely easy, trying to help/mentor/teach via content seems to have many nuances. I hope you will allow me to add a reference in the Wikipedia PyMOL article to a future iCn3D article that I produce as a novice user? RunningStick (talk) 13:18, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

RunningStick Your attempt to add iCn3D as a "See also" to the PyMOL article was reverted because iCneD does not exist as a Wikipedia article. First create the iCn3D article, using WP:YFA as a guide. You mention on your Talk page that the creator of the iCn3D software is an asociate. That means you do have a conflict of interest. See WP:COI. This does not preclude you from creating a draft, but you must describe on your Talk page the nature of your connection. David notMD (talk) 13:50, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

List of cities in Pakistan by population

Add Talagang In this list Because Talagang Become a district It is a city in Punjab, Pakistan Its Population 572,818 in this list talagang come 14 Number by its Population kindly Add Talagang in this list you Also read about talagang https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Talagang Cheetomalik4 (talk) 17:07, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Cheetomali, it seems from the (very poorly referenced) article Talagang that Talagang is not a city but a district. The single source says: "Former tehsils, Murree and Talagang, have been elevated to the status of districts". 17:42, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia page

how do I update my information Ira schickman (talk) 20:09, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello welcome to the Teahouse, does your enquiry relate to this Ira schickman deleted 7 years ago for copyright violation? Theroadislong (talk) 20:31, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Sorry I see you have tried to do the same here Draft:Ira Schickman and on your user page, we cannot accept copyrighted content. Theroadislong (talk) 20:33, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Would really appreciate feedback on draft space article

I've received feedback from a couple of admins about my draft space article https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Jay_King stating that I need to clean up my article before resubmitting, as I now have to the best of my ability.

I have edited it per their suggestions and would love any feedback on finalizing this draft to submit. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you, Pennyframstad (talk) 16:20, 23 October 2022 (UTC)pennyframstad

@Pennyframstad: I have left a comment in the draft. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:57, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your suggestions Anachronist. Can you check it out now? I really appreciate your support! Best, Pennyframstad (talk) 22:08, 23 October 2022 (UTC)pennyframstad

im having a hard time with the draft

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Bite_of_a_Mango

I submitted prior but there wasn't enough articles to support the film, but as of lately it won two awards in a Toronto festival and its been in a lot of press, most recently PLAYBACK and a 9 other articles.

How do we merge or make it a visible page Torontofresh (talk) 19:39, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Torontofresh, you may want to see WP:COI. Although unrelated to your question, as a conflict of interest editor you should read this. Also note that one account cannot be shared by multiple people, see WP:ISU. Sungodtemple (talk) 19:54, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Torontofresh I restored the Comments and put a submit draft template at the top. Per the comments above and on the draft, address whether you have a COI and seek better refs. This may be an instance of WP:TOOSOON. David notMD (talk) 12:25, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

I don't understand, how it would be an instance of WP:TOOSOON can you please clarify? Upon doing some more research I see that there is a page for another film https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Golden_Delicious_(film) which was in the same Reelworld film festival as the film above and had less coverage. It had 4 sources while Bite of a Mango has much more and both movies are mentioned in the same Playback article. Just trying to understand this better. If it make sense then I will move on to another Toronto wiki page to contribute to. thanks. Torontofresh (talk) 00:36, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

I need help

i want to create a article how can I do to make it Happy ending Pretty mkoliswa (talk) 14:57, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello Pretty mkoliswa. Creating an article is usually not easy for newcomers, so it is recommended to get started by helping to improve already existing articles. But for creating a new article, see Wikipedia:Your first article, and try the Article Wizard. It would be recommended to use the Articles for Creation process. Note that the subject of the article should meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines, and be verifiable by citing reliable sources. Thanks, Kpddg ^(talk) 16:10, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Currently indefinitely blocked. David notMD (talk) 02:49, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

You can make the article a draft and once it meets standards then it can be turned over to an article.Cwater1 (talk) 01:51, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

how do I make a articles

I can't figure out how to make articles, please help! Unicornthatisamazing&awesome (talk) 23:39, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

@Unicornthatisamazing&awesome I recommend you go through Articles for Creation Process. Roostery123 (talk) 00:02, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Unicornthatisamazing&awesome, you should also spend some time reading and studying Your first article. It explains some very important principles. Cullen328 (talk) 01:57, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Citation check

I've recently rewritten a few articles: Special:PermanentLink/1114867099, Special:PermanentLink/1117611703, and Special:PermanentLink/1117848465, but I'm still a little uncertain about citation styles. I used a different style in each one (chapter citations, page number Rp citations, and page number Sfn citations, respectively). I know that it's generally a matter of preference, but I was hoping a more experienced editor could look over the citation formatting in these articles and make sure I didn't do anything wrong or let me know if there's a better way to go about citing these sources. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:14, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Thebiguglyalien, as the reader of an article, I find the system used in the Hoover article unnecessarily complex and therefore very tiresome. What's currently the second reference to the article on Pierce is important to the article as it's cited seven times; I can paraphrase it as "somewhere or other within 19 pages of [publication]", which isn't very helpful. And for one source ("Wallner 2004"), the system breaks down. The system used within the article on Harrison is easily the best of the three. -- Hoary (talk) 00:57, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Since Template:Rp is so much neater, is there any reason why it's used so rarely? Thebiguglyalien (talk) 02:19, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Little help

Can anyone help me in creating Draft:Priyanka Choudhary Because as Per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Priyanka Choudhary and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Priyanka Choudhary (2nd nomination) it was deleted because subject had only one lead role but now she is participating in colors tv reality show bigg boss. So i think it would be sufficient for Notability As you can also see in Nimrit Kaur Ahluwalia subject has only one significant role plus she is participating in Same Reality show

I don't know much about wikipedia thats why i need your help Akb bhatia (talk) 15:32, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello Akb bhatia. I'm afraid merely participating in a reality show does not make her notable in the sense we mean it at Wikipedia. What might make her notable in our sense of the word is significant coverage in reliable sources. Please see Wikipedia:Notability (people). Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:08, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

But there is Reliable sources like Hindustan times and Times of india providing significant coverage

also you can see in Nimrit Kaur Ahluwalia there are same sources Akb bhatia (talk) 16:15, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes, @Akb bhatia those sources might be reliable (not sure about Times of India), but the information does not show that the subject, Priyanka Choudhary, is notable (click here). David10244 (talk) 04:25, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Times of India is listed at WP:RSP as "between no consensus and generally unreliable". Better sources than TOI should be used to establish notability. CodeTalker (talk) 04:32, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Guidance needed on reliability and notability of article

Hello Teahouse,

Can you guide on what kind of information and reference articles are required if I want to write an article on a startup which is doing good work for the society? Parama Dasgupta (talk) 09:16, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Parama Dasgupta Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. From your statement, I gather that you may be associated with this "startup". If so, please read about conflict of interest and paid editing for information on required formal disclsoures(declaring paid editing, which is not limited to specific payment for edits, is a Terms of Use requirement).

Startups almost never merit a Wikipedia article. Companies must already be established in their field in order to draw the necessary coverage in independent reliable sources that is required for an article about them. Wikipedia articles are also not for telling the world about the good work a company or organization might do. An article about a company or organization must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization. Press releases, staff interviews, the company website, announcements of routine business activities like the raising of capital or commencement of operations, brief mentions, and the like do not establish notability. "Significant coverage" goes beyond merely telling of the existence of the company and its activities and goes into detail about the signficance of influence of the company as the source sees it, not as the company itself sees it. Please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 09:23, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Quick redirect creation

Need someone to create Vinayak Krishna Gokak as redirect to Vinayaka Krishna Gokak.

"Vinayak Krishna Gokak" is used throughout not only in web and offline sources but also Wikipedia. See search results. 103.240.204.243 (talk) 03:53, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Just do [[Vinayaka Krishna Gokak | Vinayak Krishna Gokak]] to redirect properly. Raymond Kestis (talk) 04:18, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Do you think I am not aware of this? A redirect is needed instead of this unnecessary hardwork. 103.240.204.243 (talk) 04:43, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

created the redirect. for future reference, the code for a redirect is #REDIRECT [[Article name]]. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 04:59, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you lettherebedarklight! 103.240.204.243 (talk) 05:30, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@Lettherebedarklight as far as I am aware, non-autoconfirmed users cannot directly create pages in mainspace, redirect or otherwise. 103.240.204.243 I believe the AfC project has a place to propose redirects at WP:AFC/R. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 05:53, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

oh yes, that is true. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 09:03, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Also, redirects should almost always be categorized - note that in addition to the #REDIRECT code, lettherebedarklight put {{R from alternative spelling}} on the page. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:25, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Carbrook Hall

I left a message on talk page introducing myself and explaining why I wanted to edit the Carbrook Hall page As I did not get a response I went ahead and did the edit. The edit has since been removed and It was suggested that I contact this teroom page for assistance.

To Tugs04 (talk) 08:34, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Tugs04 You made a bit of a mess of things. You created Draft:Carbrook Hall and submitted it to AfC, where it was Declined. You also added most (all?) of the same content and refs to the existing artice Carbrook Hall. where it was all reverted. As for the draft, either tag it for deletion, or do nothing, in which case it will be deleted in six months. David notMD (talk) 11:00, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

As for the article, you added a mix of information about the building and more about the Bright family. The latter does not really belong. Try again, this time inserting a paragraph between the origins content and the Starbucks content. For the moment, forego the etymology content. David notMD (talk) 11:14, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi David notMD

Accept your observation in respect to AfC...this was my first attempt to edit.

However, what was the original purpose of the Carbrook Hall entry? When I read the piece I was left asking questions as to who were the Brights how could they afford to build a stone extension and why did the building end up as a pub/coffee house.

The current page mentions 1620, the Brights and the civil war. All I have tried to do is give it substance: a beginning, the rise of the Bright family through yeoman farmers to gentry. The Middle: Colonel John Bright as a leading Puritan in Sheffield and the dying out of the gentry family. And an ending: the house being left abandoned and its reinvention as a pub and coffee house. And as for the etymology: it establishes the house in the midst of the Norse settlements that were prevalent in this part of the world and explains where the name came from. So I would ask you to reconsider and allow my edit to be published. Tugs04 (talk) 09:36, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Custom Pages

When I'm done creating my own page and I click submit, it does not go. It stays on the codes I typed in. So I don't make it. Can anyone tell me why or something I may be doing wrong? Thanks. Carsongallas (talk) 13:32, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

@Carsongallas: did you click "publish changes"? lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 09:52, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Am I citing this eBook properly?

I'm working on writing Draft:Silver Fire (1987 Oregon wildfire). A lot of the information comes from a PDF eBook. Am I citing it correctly? 184.21.204.5 (talk) 16:24, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

seems good to me. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 09:53, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Browser hijacker?

I suspect that this domain (which I have just removed from Del mio meglio n. 4) is a browser hijacker

• celinedion.us: Linksearch en (insource) - meta - de - fr - simple - wikt:en - wikt:fr • Spamcheck • MER-C X-wiki • gs • Reports: Links on en - COIBot - COIBot-Local • Discussions: tracked - advanced - RSN • COIBot-Link, Local, & XWiki Reports - Wikipedia: en - fr - de • Google: search • meta • Domain: domaintools • AboutUs.com

I've listed it at WP:JUDI as it has previously been used for Indonesian gambling spam but should it be reported elsewhere for early attention? Lyndaship (talk) 09:55, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

My article

I can't publish my article, can you help me? 🇺🇳🇺🇳 (UN)official Flag^{To UN🇺🇳🇺🇳} 09:55, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: User:Unofficial flag/sandbox 💜  melecie  talk - 10:13, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@Melecie Yes it’s this article 🇺🇳🇺🇳 (UN)official Flag^{To UN🇺🇳🇺🇳} 10:14, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Unofficial Flag. I have added a header to your sandbox so that you can submit it for review when it is ready. It is not currently ready because it has not a single reliable independent source. A Wikipedia article must be based on what people unconnected with the subject have published about it. ColinFine (talk) 10:24, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse @Unofficial flag. Your draft is probably inadequate to become an article at present because it lacks the relaible citations to show that this specific flag is notable in Wikipedia's meaning of that term. It is not enough to show that something exists, you must show that it has been discussed in WP:INDEPENDENT sources of scholarly standing (not wikis, for example). Most of the information you have provided could go into the article for the organisation itself, at Central American Integration System. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:25, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Edit

How many edits did I create and here I am getting continuously the notification of my tenth edit!so why I can't edit semi protected article Sumedh Mudgalkar Sumedh Mudgalkar (talk) 09:23, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Sumedh Mudgalkar I think you still have a few hours before you are autoconfirmed, it is a full four days. I see by your username that you seem to be Mr. Mudgalkar, if so, you should not edit the article directly, please read the autobiography policy. You may, however, make formal edit requests(click for instructions) on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 09:47, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

I suspect that you are not the Sumedh Mudgalkar described in that article as born in 1996, and an "Indian film and television actor, as well as a dancer." If you are not, you should discontinue using this account and start a new account with a different name - even if your name is in truth Sumedh Mudgalkar. David notMD (talk) 12:07, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Edit warring

Can someone help me figure out what to do if I see potential edit warring as a third party? I tried checking the guidelines but I'm still confused.There's no talk page discussion on the dispute and it seems at least one user has engaged in back-and-forth reverts on more than one occasion this month. Axolotlanarchy (talk) 11:11, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Axolotlanarchy Edit warring may be reported to the edit warring noticeboard. If you aren't yet ready to take that step, you could encourage the users involved to refrain from edit warring and use discussion and dispute resolution. 331dot (talk) 12:21, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the help. If I start a new section on the talk page, is there a way I should go about notifying the users involved? Axolotlanarchy (talk) 12:29, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

If you refer to them by name on the talk page, in the format {{u|TheirName}} then they will get notified. Alternatively, if you need to talk to a user specifically, you can post something on their talk page, and they'll get notified. Elemimele (talk) 13:29, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

WikiLove

Is there any other way to spread the love to colleagues besides Wikilove? I am enjoying being in EnWiki, i love you all. Ruwaym (talk) 10:39, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Ruwaym - do you know about the WP:THANK feature? Plus there's always the "old-fashioned" method - leaving a handwritten note of appreciation on their talk page(s). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:21, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Nice idea(s). Ruwaym (talk) 16:02, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

sad

my school doesnt let us use wikipedia. it makes me sad. why wont they let us use it? 2604:2D80:AB02:A100:9885:A9F9:9632:C9C6 (talk) 07:29, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Probbably because Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:45, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

( but people work so hard 2604:2D80:AB02:A100:9885:A9F9:9632:C9C6 (talk) 07:58, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

oh well 2604:2D80:AB02:A100:9885:A9F9:9632:C9C6 (talk) 07:58, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Probably also because either 'they' don't understand how to use Wikipedia properly, or don't have the time to teach you how to do so. Rather than taking anything in Wikipedia itself as correct (for the reasons explained in the essay Victor Schmidt linked above), one should use it as a stepping-stone to the Reliable sources it cites. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.212.157.244 (talk) 08:32, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

By "...doesn't let us use..." did you mean not allowed to use Wikipedia as a reference for school assignments (see replies, above), or not allowed to use school computers to edit Wikipedia articles? David notMD (talk) 10:50, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Many schools don't want students using Wikipedia because Wikipedia is not always accurate. Another reason could be is because Wikipedia is not censored. Although, there are options to hide certain images. Schools has filters so their filter should be able to hide certain images. I am not an expert on that so what I'm saying may or may not be true.Cwater1 (talk) 15:17, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Many schools also do this because they worry that most of their students will only use Wikipedia, and will just produce school work copied from Wikipedia rather than reading around a number of different sources, books, other websites and so on. This is very sad, but it's a valid concern. I am also sad that many schools disapprove of YouTube, although there are many informative and educational things to be found there too. It would be better if schools educated pupils on the trustworthiness of different sources, and encouraged pupils to use every source of information. I think the schools want you to do your own work, and worry that if you just read Wikipedia, you're letting someone else do all the research. But of course it's no better if you read any other encyclopaedia or similar reference book! Good luck! Elemimele (talk) 13:46, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

You should see Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a reliable source. They didn't want us using Wikipedia because it can be edited by anyone and the information is not accurate or up to date. Many reasons are because some statements are not always sourced. Sometimes that source leads to a dead link and don't have the archived link.Cwater1 (talk) 17:25, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Waterloo Artificial Intelligence Institute

Hey Team,

Can you help me create a page for the Waterloo Artificial Intelligence Institute I have tried to create it but it has been turned down by you. Would you be able to help me build it out and get it published?

Best regards, Omar Dari (talk) 15:06, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Omar Dari, welcome to the Teahouse. The first thing to do is establish the subject's notability - has this institute received significant coverage in independent, reliable, published sources? Are there newspaper articles or academic papers about it, written by people not connected with it or the university? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:12, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Omar, and welcome to the Teahouse. As I am not an admin, I can't see the deleted draft; but I'm guessing that you have made the classic mistake of writing an article based on what the Institute says or wants to say. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 15:28, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Your guess was correct, ColinFine. The three references were all published by Waterloo University. Omar Dari, what is required are references to significant coverage in reliable sources that are entirely independent of WAII and the university. Cullen328 (talk) 15:50, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Teahouse hosts are here to advise. Some may at times help edit a draft, mostly to improve its compliance with Wikipedia format, but not adding content or references. David notMD (talk) 18:39, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Not just turned down, but Speedy deleted for being promotional and a copyright infringement. David notMD (talk) 18:41, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

English Propaganda

Seems we have run afoul of some propaganda from right-wingers in the UK. There are currently a number of transphobic articles being trumpeted in the English press. I use the word "press" loosely, as I've seen cave-drawings that were easier to comprehend. Are we required to accept these sources or can we deprecate them due to typical UK transphobia? 2600:1700:1250:6D80:A898:2EBF:BF36:1637 (talk) 17:15, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

what articles are you talking about? Vincent-vst (talk) 17:21, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. Please refer to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources to check the status of various sources. Those not listed there can be discussed at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. Cullen328 (talk) 17:25, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

You have started a discussion at Talk:Rapid-onset gender dysphoria controversy, which is the right place. David notMD (talk) 18:50, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Guidance for article publication

Hello team, I have created Apache_YuniKorn and it's under review. This is my first-article contribution. Any suggestions or recommendations for publication will be highly appreciated. Also can you guide us what are the things need to consider while creating the new article, do we have any tools which I can validate before publishing the article to check the copyright violations and other important things which consider while publishing? Thanks in advance. Jagadeesan A S

@Jagadeesan A S:, welcome to the Teahouse! Some pages that may be helpful are WP:NOTABILITY, WP:COI, and WP:RELIABLESOURCES. There may also be more pages, so if you want more, feel free to ask. Sarrail (talk) 18:31, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Earwig's copyright violation detector is an automated tool to detect copyright violations; it turned up nothing for your draft. However, looking at the draft, it seems to be based only on what sources associated with the product write about it. Articles on wikipedia should be almost entirely based on what reliable sources that are independent of the subject have to say. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 18:34, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @Maddy from Celeste. I tried using Earwig's copyright violation detector and it showed Violation Unlikely 0.0% similarity which is fine? Is there any percentage level which need to consider? Jagadeesan A S JAGAEESAN A S 18:47, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

You should not copy text from anywhere except for direct quotations and be wary of close paraphrasing. There is no particular percentage that is problematic; rather, a higher percentage means a higher likelihood of plagiarism. Also, the program may show false positives if another website copies text from Wikipedia which is then flagged. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 19:34, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @Sarrail for suggested articles , I will review it. JAGAEESAN A S 18:44, 24 October 2022 (UTC) Jagadeesan A S (talk)

It's a Wikipedia nuance, but drafts can become "articles" Talk pages are "pages." Too many people conflate creating a "page" with what is allowed in social media. David notMD (talk) 18:58, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @David notMD for pointing it out. Jagadeesan A S (talk) Jagadeesan A S (talk) 19:07, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Verb tense for non-historical stories in religious texts

Wikipedia uses historical present when describing events in a fictional narrative. However, there are fictional narratives that many people believe are literal history because of religion (examples: the stories of Job from the Bible and Abinadi or Moroni from the Book of Mormon). How should we describe the details of these stories?

Assume that the topic matters primarily for some reason other than its disputed historicity. For example, we would probably describe a false conspiracy theory as a series of claims by real people rather than as a narrative. But the story of Job is not just a disputed claim of fact; it matters mostly for other reasons. Rscragun (talk) 20:42, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@Rscragun: It probably depends on the context in which the details are relayed. If the details are in a synopsis, for example, one would use present tense, just like a movie synopsis. Past tense would work too. Present tense is also appropriate to describe a detail with attribution, such as "The story of Job in the Bible describes how Job...(present tense description)." But past tense would also work, as in "According to the account in the Book of Mormon, Job...(past tense description)." I don't know the specifics of the article you're working in, but I'd say use whatever tense just seems the most natural without stating religious beliefs as facts in Wikipedia's voice. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:22, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

article submission

helo .. i need create a biography for my client ... i tried so many time and submit finally .unfortunately its rejected... could you help me.. how to create proper way and how much time take that biography article publish in google page Shyamthamban (talk) 10:42, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Shyamthamban. Before you do anything else on behalf of your client, I strongly suggest you take the time to first carefully read through Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. Then, I suggest you take a look at Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything, Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Notability (people). -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:57, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

could you send me a full video of how to create and submit article Shyamthamban (talk) 11:00, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Shyamthamban, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid it sounds as if, like many people, you have a total, fundamental, misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is.

Wikipedia's needs and your needs are utterly different. What you are trying to do is to use Wikipedia for Promotion, which is forbidden anywhere on Wikipedia.

More specifically:

- if your client meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability - and not otherwise - Wikipedia could have an article about him. This artice would not belong to him or to you, would not be controlled by him or you, would not necessarily contain what he wanted it to contain, and should be based almost 100% on what people completely unonnected with him have pubished about him, not on what he or you say or want to say.

- If, given this, you decide to push on with trying to create an article about him, you must begin by making a formal declaration of your status as a paid editor (see that link for details). This a required by Wikipedia's terms of service.

- Clarify whether you are Shyam or not. If you are, read why autobiography is strongly discouraged. If you are not, change your username so as not to impersonate him.

- Then you should read Your first article, to understand how to go about the diffiult task of creating a new encyclopaedia article, and use the articles for creation process to create a draft. Note that creating an article begins with finding the reliable, independent, substantial sources about the subjct that are required to base an article on. Doing anything else at all before finding these sources is quite likely to be wasted effort.

- You should remove the fake article from you user page. That is not what user pages are for.

If this sounds discouraging, I'm afraid that this is because you are trying to use Wikipedia for a purpose which is forbidden. ColinFine (talk) 11:03, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

thank brother...i creating article not for

a promotion.. i want learn more about creating article ..could you help me ..if any video pls help Shyamthamban (talk) 11:27, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia has no "how to" videos. There is a strong recommendation for all new editors to put in time improving existing articles before trying to create an article. Again, WP:YFA is a written guide. If you client is in a profession commonly the subject of Wikipedia articles, then look at those articles to see content and referencing examples. David notMD (talk) 12:13, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Shyamthamban your very first words above were helo .. i need create a biography for my client. That is what we mean by promotion. Your purpose is to tell the world about your client - in other words, to promote him. That is entirely right and proper if you are his agent or publicist. But what you may not do is try to use Wikipedia to promote him.

If several people unconnected with you or him have already told the world about him (not just repeating what you or he say, but thoughtfully investigating and writing about him) then Wikipedia might be interested in an article summarising what those people have said about him. But Wikipedia has no interest in what he wants to say or in what you want to tell the world about him. ColinFine (talk) 15:24, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@Shyamthamban In addition to all of that great advice, there is no easy way to create a new article. David10244 (talk) 23:08, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Article Rejected!

Dear Teahouse,

Greetings,

I have tried to post an article on Wikipedia, and it was rejected for the reasons below.

• in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements)
• reliable
• secondary
• strictly independent of the subject

The reasons seem a bit unclear to me. Can I ask for advice? K.jawiei (talk) 11:49, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: User:K.jawiei/sandbox Sarrail (talk) 12:11, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

It looks like the article is up for speedy deletion. It is used for promotion, most likely. See WP:PROMOTION and WP:SPEEDYDELETE. Sarrail (talk) 12:14, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

I agree that it is about to be deleted. As written, the only ref was the company's website. This is not independent. You can start over using WP:YFA to create a draft, but unless there are multiple references to the business that are independent, reliable and in depth (meaning not just name-only or short mentions), there is no potential to succeed. See WP:NCORP for guidelines for articles about companies. David notMD (talk) 12:18, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

K.jawiei See also your Talk page for a query about your connections to the proposed article's topic. David notMD (talk) 12:21, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@K.jawiei In case it was not clear, those words in blue are clickable links. Click them and read the information there. It's a lot to learn. David10244 (talk) 23:10, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Righting historical (in)accuracies

Hello! I am trying to improve Busch Gardens Tampa Bay (BGT) to the best as I can, accurately. I am moving onto a section where the physical diameters of the park are to be addressed, with all sources reliable or not pointing to the figure 335-acre (136 ha) (Example 1, Example 2 Example 3). As much as I could slap that statistic on the article and call it a day, historical reporting's point to a different number which amount to around the same acreage the park currently exists upon (The Tampa Tribune). I found that via a county's property appraisal website a way to look up the park's parent company, SeaWorld Parks & Entertainment, property. Individually, the total acreage owned by the company amounts to be ~ 353.58 acres (143.09 ha), the BGT park itself being a healthy 249.53 acres (100.98 ha) (minus parking lots or additional property belonging to sister water park Adventure Island).

The problem: no reliable sources support BGT being anywhere near its approximate acreage, and relate the total properties of SeaWorld's Tampa properties to the park's size. Is there a way I can cite the appraisal's website supporting its recorded 249.53 acres (100.98 ha)? If possible, how could I go about citing the total property that Busch Gardens lays upon with its sister park and additional lots owned by the parent company? Since the calculated amount, 353.58 acres (143.09 ha), differs from decades of coverage citing 335-acre (136 ha). Am I just plain wrong and need a trout? Any and all help would be appreciated! Adog (Talk・Cont) 03:47, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but since no one else has replied, I'll suggest this: you can cite any source you like, and if it's not reliable or deemed inadequate, someone else can remove it. If you have encountered a situation where the sources are, you believe, wrong, then the best you can do is cite them in the form "XXX reports the area to be...". This means that the (wrong) figure is attributed to somewhere other than Wikipedia, and we are still telling the truth (because XXX 'does' say it). If the sources all differ, you can quote a couple to give the range of estimates floating around. If any of the sources give a clue as to why they differ, by including unconnected properties, or being estimates, you can say so. The only thing you can't do is carry out your own surveying and interpretation of what the figures might be. You can only report what someone, somewhere has said/written. Elemimele (talk) 13:40, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your input and consideration. Further information on this question I had posted to another board can be found Wikipedia:Reference desk/Miscellaneous#Historical acreage accuracy. Question is relatively answered. :) Adog (Talk・Cont) 00:26, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Writing an entry on a public figure and loved one

My partner just passed and I want to write a Wikipedia article on him. He was a published architect working on embodied carbon in the built environment. I know people personally involved aren’t supposed to write articles, but it would mean a lot to me, and I have academic training in writing in a detached, objective style. Let me know if it’s possible. Lizcampbell22 (talk) 22:45, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@Lizcampbell22 Welcome to the Teahouse. While it's good that you recognize potential conflict of interest, the biggest consideration for new articles is whether the subject is notable enough for inclusion. I have no doubt your partner was talented in his field and made contributions. But many successful people don't have articles here, simply because there is not enough independent, reliable coverage of them out there in books, media, etc. I recommend you first read this small section and decide if you think you'll be able to provide enough sources. Feel free to ask about specific sources here. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 22:54, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Lizcampbell22, I second what Pyrrho the Skipper wrote above; however, for notability criteria see also this small section. (An article on an architect needs to demonstrate that he satisfies either the general guideline that Pyrrho points to or any one of the four criteria that I point to, not both, let alone all five.) -- Hoary (talk) 00:32, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Lizcampbell22. Before you start trying to create an article about your partner yourself or start trying to get someone else to create such an article on your behalf, I think you might want to take a look at WP:NOTMEMORIAL, WP:OWN, WP:LUC and WP:PROUD. You might see Wikipedia as a great way to introduce your partner to the world and perhaps even honor their legacy, but there's lots of things about Wikipedia that you might not be aware of. There can actually be a downside to being written about on Wikipedia and many persons find out too late that being written about on Wikipedia isn't exactly as great as they thought it would be. If your partner turns out to be Wikipedia notable so that an article may be written about them, it's going to need to be written in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. You possibly may be able to do such a thing yourself, but you might find it hard to avoid the article unintentionally becoming a kind of wikt:hagiography about your partner (i.e. focusing on all that's good about them but perhaps ignoring their flaws). Another person unconnected to the subject matter might be able avoid such a pitfall, but they in turn might not share your "vision" for the article and the end result may be something that you don't approve of. Wikipedia article content can include the good, the bad and the ugly about their subjects as long as it in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guideline, and neither you nor anyone else connected to your partner will have any final editorial control of the article. If your goal is to preserve the memory of your partner, then perhaps you might want to considered an WP:ALTERNATIVE way of doing so. On the other hand, if your goal is to have an encyclopedic article written about your partner (for better or worse) and your partner satisfies one of Wikipedia's various notability guideline like WP:BIO, then maybe ask about this at Wikipedia:WikiProject Architecture and see if some of the members of that WikiProject might be able to help (1) assess your partner's Wikipedia notablity as an architect and (2) offer suggestions on how to best go about creating an article about your partner if they're deemed to be Wikipedia notable. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:48, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Vandalism warning?

My IP address (when I'm not logged in) has been flagged as a vandal based on activity that isn't mine on several occasions. How can I avoid being marked as one when I am not logged in?Riverbend21 (talk) 15:05, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Riverbend21, welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that's likely something out of your control - most internet service providers assign dynamic IP addresses to their clients, which means you may have a certain IP one day, and a vandal may have it the next day. Some companies offer static IPs if you're willing to pay for the privilege. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:09, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks :) Riverbend21 (talk) 16:06, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@Riverbend21 Since you have an account, it's better to always sign in when editing. That way it's easier for you to find all of your edits, and you won't be accused of using multiple accounts for bad purposes. Cheers. David10244 (talk) 23:12, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for responding :)

I always edit with my account. Riverbend21 (talk) 02:09, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Dead link tags

Hullo! I have a quick question about dead link maintainance tags - if the original of a url has been archived, shoud the ^{[dead link]} tag be removed or left? I was tempted to remove one as a set of uncontroversial changes to the aticle I have also just made a formal edit request to but I figured checking first might be smarter Memereese (talk) 17:35, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@Memereese welcome to Teahouse! If a dead link has an archive link, then yes the {{Dead link}} template can be removed. Happy editing and link-trimming! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 18:48, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @Shushugah good to know! Memereese (talk) 08:56, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Caption in infobox appears twice

On Pamela Ruskin I have added an image. In the infobox template I have added a caption which now appears under the photograph but again underneath outside the photo frame. It is entered only once in the template. Hasn't happened to me before. Can anyone assist please? Thank you Jamesmcardle^(talk) 09:47, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@Jamesmcardle I removed the |image_size=thumb parameter which is not needed and was causing the double caption. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:14, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Michael - genius! Jamesmcardle^(talk) 10:16, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Translation of a German Wikipedia entry into English

The German Wikipedia entry Lutz Kaufmann should also appear in the English version of Wikipedia. How does this work? Can I create a new (English) entry? Schirrawhu (talk) 10:54, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Schirrawhu, you are welcome to create Draft:Lutz Kaufmann, if you can demonstrate in this draft that Kaufmann is notable according to one or other of the criteria set by en:Wikipedia. However, I don't recommend that you do this until you have become accustomed to improving articles that already exist here in en:Wikipedia. Additionally, the first edit in which you translate from the German-language article should have an edit summary that makes it clear that what you are publishing is, or includes, a translation from there. -- Hoary (talk) 11:16, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@Schirrawhu thanks for wanting to improve the English Wikipedia. I see that you were a major contributor to the German article but haven't edited much else. As Hoary said, our criteria for notability is likely to be much more stringent. The German article has very little cited to WP:SECONDARY sources WP:INDEPENDENT of Kaufmann. As to the technicalities, please read WP:TRANSLATE. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:22, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Blocked account

hello, my account was blocked, and I don't understand why 88.12.3.152 (talk) 11:12, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Nobody here will either, until you divulge the name of the account. -- Hoary (talk) 11:18, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

The Talk Page of the account will have the reasons for the block and is the only place where it can be appealed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:24, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Vincent Edward Giuliano (Scientist)

I submitted a draft for this page. It was very simple, with a infobox and a couple paragraphs of body text. As a newbie, my plan was to make a minimal, non-controversial submission, and once any bugs were worked out and my understandings expanded, I'd add more. As I recall, the page included a link to the subject's blog page, to a list of his publications, and one other link.

To my surprise, the entire submission was deleted within hours of submission by Jimbleak, for reasons that I do not find satisfactory, but, based upon a very low level of experience, I tentatively assume his criticisms are indeed valid. I'd like to explore the criticisms compared to the submitted draft, but cannot find the draft anywhere. I'd like to recover the draft, understand and correct the errors, and resubmit it. How can I recover it?

Incidentally, Jimbleak said: "name is incorrect in the article title". The title was as above. What is wrong with it? Walticular (talk) 19:12, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@Walticular: Your draft was deleted because it was unambiguously promotional. I can see why you would not find this reasoning satisfactory; however, the content of the draft gave the appearance of existing for no other reason than to promote the work of the subject. Even if that was not your intent, the draft was nevertheless far from being ready to submit for review, because it failed to establish any evidence of notability of the subject. Please see Wikipedia:Golden rule to get an idea of the kind of sourcing required. It is possible that WP:NPROF notability criteria also apply to this subject. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:32, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

How can the draft that I submitted be viewed? It is difficult to really understand the criticisms when I cannot look at the draft. Also, how is the name in the article title incorrect? I intend to follow the suggestions made by the reviewers, but want to first understand exactly where I went wrong in this draft. Walticular (talk) 19:53, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@Walticular Welcome to the Teahouse. The article was speedy-deleted for "blatant promotion," and it appears by your statements that it was not referenced with reliable sources either. I suggest you first read this guide, then start the article over from scratch, but use reliable, independent, third-party sources to write it, not the subject's own work and blog. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 19:32, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

In case you cannot see my response to Anachronist, I asked how can the draft that I submitted be viewed? It is difficult to really understand the criticisms when I cannot look at the draft. Also, how is the name in the article title incorrect? I intend to follow the suggestions made by the reviewers, but want to first understand exactly where I went wrong in this draft. Walticular (talk) 19:55, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@Walticular: Generally editors cannot view deleted pages. Because I am an administrator, I can. The suggestion by the reviewer was to improve the sourcing. Not a single source you cited meets the requirements summarized in Wikipedia:Golden rule. I further suggested above to look at WP:NPROF. Did you look at either of those links? The deleting administrator's deletion reasoning also referred you to WP:YFA, WP:RS, WP:COI, and WP:Notability (people) — all of which you should review before trying again.

The article title isn't really relevant; it can always be changed. The subject seems to go by "Vince Giuliano" rather than his full name, and we title articles according to the name the subject is commonly known.

Feel free to contact the deleting administrator Jimfbleak if you are serious about improving the draft, and he might restore it. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:08, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Do not try again unless you have better references. A subject's blog or website, or a list of publications contribute zero toward confirming notability in the Wikipedia sense of the word. Must have what people have published about him. David notMD (talk) 03:34, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

The name is incorrect because (Scientist) is a descriptor not needed, as far as I know to distinguish him from any other Vincent Edward Giuliano on Wikipedia, and in any case "scientist" isn't a proper noun and shouldn't be capitalised Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:43, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

If the draft is accepted, the Reviewer will fix the title. Focus on refs. No valid refs = no article. David notMD (talk) 12:39, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Changing PM Photo on UK

Hello Teahouse Editors,

I am hoping to change Liz Truss's image on the article on the United Kingdom to Rishi Sunak. What is the proper image link so I can edit it? A1139530 (talk) 12:58, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

- nevermind someone already did it

A1139530 (talk) 12:58, 25 October 2022 (UTC)A1139530

i'm kind of new to wiki, and i dont know how to cite or do hyperlinks or anything like that, could someone tell me how?

it's just so i can improve my editing Redrhuadri (talk) 09:44, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Redrhuadri and welcome to Wikipedia editing. I note that several of your additions have been reverted for various reasons, so I'm glad you realise you need to slow down and do a bit of reading up on how editing works. I'll add a list of useful links on your Talk Page in a few moments. That will keep them handy for you in a way that putting them here won't, as the Teahouse sections get archived quite quickly. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:20, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Please start by being honest in your edit summaries. You did not improve the grammar in this edit, but in your edit summary that's what you claimed you did. -- Hoary (talk) 11:22, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Practive making references in your Sandbox until they look good. No hyperlinks in body of article - only in an External links section.— Preceding unsigned comment added by David notMD (talk • contribs) 13:38, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

About vandalism in Wikipedia

They're bad, but they're funny sometimes. Is it a bad thing to laugh at such? Slaythe (talk) 15:14, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Slaythe. You can laugh if you want, just as long as you revert the vandalism. Do not let vandalism remain just because you think that it is funny. Cullen328 (talk) 16:42, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Duh. Slaythe (talk) 17:10, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@Slaythe And please do not accuse others of vandalism when you have no evidence they have done so. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:13, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Help regarding the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article

My draft got rejected and the reviewer stated: "Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format."

Can anyone here independently rewrite or help me rewrite the draft and move to mainspace? Thank you. মহিউদ্দিন শরীফ 1 (talk) 09:18, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

hey মহিউদ্দিন_শরীফ_1, i've taken a crack at it (see my sandbox page); i definitely think the article will be worthy of publication once it is cleaned up. Feel free to correct and complete my notes, i will be back in a few hours to finish the article. Good luck! Fbrh47 (talk) 11:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

FYI - Declined is not as severe as Rejected. Good luck with the draft. David notMD (talk) 11:27, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@Fbrh47, thank you so much. মহিউদ্দিন শরীফ 1 (talk) 17:45, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

How to help a page that's lacking

Hello, I was looking at the page for Noninvasive prenatal testing or 'NIPT', after looking it up on google. This page is informative, but it seems to be lacking key features like a table of contents among others. Usually I see those template message things at the top of those pages, but I don't see one. I also don't know much about the topic, and I don't know the proper way to help the page out by sending it to the proper group, putting the template message, etc. Thanks so much! MatthewJenkins02 (talk) 17:32, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, MatthewJenkins, and welcome to the Teahouse. The article has no TOC because there is only one named section in it: tables of contents are generated automatically once they would have four entries.

The article is already associated with a work group, the WP:WikiProject Medicine/Reproductive medicine task force, (as you can see by looking at its talk page), so I'm not sure there is much more you can do in the way of bringing it to anybody's notice. If you think there are appropriate tags from Category:Wikipedia maintenance templates, you are welcome to add them. Further, you are welcome to contribute to the article, either directly or by suggestions on the talk page; but of course you are not under any obligation to do so. ColinFine (talk) 17:57, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Colin, I appreciate the help! MatthewJenkins02 (talk) 18:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Music Artist

Hi, to whoever can help me get through this. My name is DJ Demmerneck. I am a music artist with lots of music on very different platforms like Spotify, Apple Music, TikTok, Instagram, etc.. I was wondering on how I can get my own wikipedia page for my artist name? If anyone can help me, please let me know.

Hope we can work together on someone showing me how to do it properly or if someone can make one for me.

Luke Emmers, Also Known As "DJ Demmerneck" DJ Demmerneck (talk) 01:08, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, DJ Demmerneck; Wikipedia users are all volunteers, who work on what interests them. You may create an article about yourself, provided you pass the notability criteria. Wikipedia is not social media, but an encyclopedia, meaning that it's not an indiscriminate collection of "pages". If you want to write a well-researched article about anything, please see Your first article. --Quisqualis (talk) 01:17, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

DJ Demmerneck, you might want to read An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. If you become notable enough for a Wikipedia article it won't belong to you, it will be an encyclopedia article that anyone can edit. There may be a time when something unpleasant or unflattering about you is reported. That matter can become part of your Wikipedia article, and you won't be able to stop that from happening, or have the article deleted. Karenthewriter (talk) 01:51, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, DJ Demmerneck. Please read the Notability guideline for musical performers. When I do a Google search, I find plenty of expected social media profiles of you as a performer, but no significant coverage of you in reliable sources that are entirely independent of you. Can you please point out the sources that meet that standard? Cullen328 (talk) 05:27, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello DJ Demmerneck. I did a quick search of your name, and it doesn't look like you would qualify for an article on Wikipedia. To have an article, the subject must be shown to have received significant coverage from reliable sources that are independent from the subject. I have not found any evidence that this is the case. I could be wrong, feel free to show us where this coverage exists. -- Mike 🗩 18:47, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Automatic fixer?

Can someone make an automatic tool to change the word "Pokemon" to "Pokémon"? I don't think there's ever a good reason to spell it incorrectly. I found page links that had it spelt wrong on the "What Links Here" part. ButterCashier (talk) 10:19, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Blind searching and replacing of text is never a good idea. There may be quotations that use the "incorrect" spelling, or there may be a discussion of the different spellings, so your suggestion is not going to happen. However, I see no reason why you shouldn't search and correct the links manually. Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:20, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@ButterCashier The search needs to be done carefully but this one should give articles that use the word Pokemon but lack Pokémon. As advised, any changes would need to be done carefully. There are between 300 and 500 hits. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:27, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

I was not entirely aware how to search for things like that, thank you. The manual editing may commence. ButterCashier (talk) 13:36, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@ButterCashier For future reference, bots and automatic tools that automatically fix spelling mistakes are forbidden due to issues around context, see WP:SPELLBOT. There are situations where misspellings should be preserved, e.g. in quotations, and there may be unexpected situations where the misspelling is actually correct. Also Help:Searching is worth a read if you get a minute, the Wikipedia search engine can do a lot of stuff (like looking for pages with certain templates, categories or wikitext). 163.1.15.238 (talk) 15:03, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

I have fixed many of the misspellings. ButterCashier (talk) 15:04, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@ButterCashier A significant number of those fixes weren't correct. In edits like these [6] [7] You've changed the title of the article being cited, but the original articles use e instead of é. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 15:23, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

I apologise and may attempt to revert some such errors o' mine. Thank you for informing me. ButterCashier (talk) 16:20, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Indeed, you made this error twice at List of Black Mirror episodes, ButterCashier, after being warned here by three separate volunteers that you needed to tread carefully. Since you are responsible for your edits (see WP:MEATBOT), I would hope that rather than that you "may attempt" to correct your mistakes, you will correct them. — Bilorv (talk) 19:39, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Why whas my edit removed?

Hello. On the wiki article about October 25, i added the birth to Roy fox, because he wasn't there on the list. The edit i made was removed afterwards because I didn't "include any sources". But The information I got that he was born on october 25, was from the wiki article about him. What was I supposed to do? Jantabass (talk) 19:35, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@Jantabass Your addition has already been restored, thanks for improving Wikipedia. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:41, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi and welcome! While it's true that citing Wikipedia sources within Wikipedia sources is not done (which I bring up only due to its tangential relevance), I think the editor who reverted your addition jumped the gun. His birth date is sourced reliably on his own page, so you shouldn't have to copy that source to every article that mentions him, as I'm sure you saw was the case with the other articles on that list. It's been re-added by someone else already. WPscatter ^t/_c 19:43, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Who can update a page?

I am a communications professional working with a non-profit organization, Arthritis Foundation which exists as a resource to the one in four American adults who have been diagnosed with a form of arthritis, and 300,000 children with Juvenile Arthritis. Some of the information on the existing page is outdated or incomplete. I understand there are rules about who can update information. May someone from inside the organization do it? May I do it as an agent and communications professional? Or do we need to locate someone unrelated to Arthritis Foundation to do it. If the latter, where do I find an authorized writer? Thank you. Mary Gendron 917.340.1006. Mgendronaugustyn (talk) 19:42, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Please see here and here for guides on how to edit with a conflict of interest. You are discouraged from editing the page directly in lieu of making edit requests and allowing other editors to make it if they see fit.

Do note, though, that if you were to simply pay someone else to make the edits for you, that's still just as much of a conflict of interest—the reason these rules exist is so that the articles maintain a neutral point of view, and someone who is paid to add the things you want is really no different from adding them yourself. WPscatter ^t/_c 19:47, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

All of this, plus I would add, @Mgendronaugustyn, that if the edits are just updating basic information, and you follow the above advice about making a COI edit request (which you can read about right here) there should be no problem and an editor will likely follow up if they see it. I will keep an eye out for it, too. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 19:52, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Will do. 2600:4040:A6C7:1700:1C6A:994C:3D32:AAAB (talk) 19:57, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Refrenece

Hello, I need to refrence the website ctrsoccer.com but can't find the citation or know where to put it other than the bottom. Do I put it after the [refrence] or in it? Please help Krishnakalola24 (talk) 18:55, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Krishnakalola24, welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid you have more immediate problems - your draft has been nominated for speedy deletion due to being overly promotional. It is very much not ready to become a Wikipedia article. Please spend some time reading Help:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners, or perhaps you'd find Help:Introduction more useful. Before making a new attempt, I'd recommend first finding reliable, independent, secondary sources with significant coverage of your subject. If there are none, abandon the project. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:21, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Ok once I find a nuetral source and have nuetral language can you email me I'd like to send it over to you first if thats possible? Krishnakalola24 (talk) 19:26, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@Krishnakalola24, not many Wikipedia users are willing to do things over email; it's better to keep discussions on-wiki. If you rewrite the draft with less promotional language and better sources, feel free to come back to the Teahouse and post a link to it, and folks here may give you further advice. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:30, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

I agree. Wikipedia business, particularly content creation, should be on Wikipedia and publicly viewable by anyone. Email isn't the way we collaborate here. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:04, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Undisclosed Payment

In full transparency, I work for Mayo Clinic and I am working to help Dr. Q with his page. I do not have wikepedia expertise and my primary goal is to remove the banner below.

This article may have been created or edited in return for undisclosed payments, a violation of Wikipedia's terms of use. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view. (May 2020)

How does someone go about doing this? Here is his the link to his page. Alfredo Quiñones-Hinojosa

Joshcortez30 (talk) 15:51, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@Joshcortez30 Welcome to the teahouse. Please don't attempt to remove the banner, although that's technically easy. An experienced new-article reviewer, @Theroadislong has been working to revise that article today and would have removed it if that was justified (which it may be after he has completed work). Note that you must, under Wikipedia's terms and conditions, notify other editors of your conflict of interest. Please read the WP:PAID information for the steps you may need to take. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:09, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Joshcortez, and welcome to the Teahouse. You begin by making the mandatory formal declaration of your status as a paid editor (see that link for details). You should also clarify which edits you have made to the article: I see you only created this account a few days ago, so presumably some of the edits by IP addresses were you.

You should not make any further edits to the article, but should instead make edit requests on its talk page. But, as another editor has said on the article's talk page, it really needs rewriting by somebody not involved.

Note that your primary goal is to remove the banner, but that is not Wikipedia's primary goal, which is to have a neutral summary of the independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 16:11, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

thank you very much. I actually do not recall making any edits. I do not know this Physician personally but we do work at the same institution. His office called my office and asked for help. I The only reason that I have created a page is to find a way to get help on this specific issues. It sounds like @Theroadislong is editing and potentially may be able to remove if they see fit. If they do not see fit, what would my next step be?

I apologize if I am not following proper protocol this is all very new for me and very different than work I typically do. Joshcortez30 (talk) 16:18, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

We would consider working on behalf of someone else at the same institution as you to be a conflict of interest, and if you are using work time or resources to carry out this editing then you are also effectively a paid editor, even if this is not formally part of your job description or a direct quid-pro-quo arrangement. I'll also add that if Dr. Quiñones-Hinojosa is concerned about COI/UPE tags being placed on the article about him, he should stop hiring people or haranguing his colleagues and/or employees into writing about him on Wikipedia. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:21, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

I notice that the account Doctorqmd (talk · contribs) edited the article extensively in 2012, so if not paid editing, certainly a COI tag is warranted until every edit has been examined and either removed or accepted. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:10, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Developing a page

I am a paid editor and trying to request to add information to an existing stub article. I am gonig to do this through the Talk page but am not familiar with the format and how to add specific information to parts of the page. Can you please let me know how to request to add information to an already existing page? Amphitwrite (talk) 16:16, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Amphitwrite. Please read Wikipedia:Edit requests and follow the instructions there carefully. Cullen328 (talk) 16:28, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

The problem I am having is making the edit request on the Talk page because the format is in Source mode and I prefer to type in Visual mode. How can I switch to Visual mode to propose edits? Amphitwrite (talk) 16:34, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

The problem I am having is making the edit request on the Talk page because the format is in Source mode and I prefer to type in Visual mode. How can I switch to Visual mode to propose edits? Amphitwrite (talk) 16:34, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Amphitwrite. Thanks you for being open about your status as a paid editor. I'm afraid that the VE is not currently available on talk pages (see WP:VE#Limitations). ColinFine (talk) 16:43, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! Amphitwrite (talk) 20:10, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Technically it is (you just change a part of the URL to force it to load the page in the visual editor) however it is not recommended as some things may not function correctly due to not being designed to work with the visual editor. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:15, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@Amphitwrite, have you tried using the edit request wizard? Alternatively, clicking the "Start a discussion" button on the talk page, then switching to "Visual" above the editing box, should allow you to use visual editing mode. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:51, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

How to ask editors for ce?

Board of Control for Cricket in India needs extensive ce by GA reviewer. I added a banner for ce there, but not many ce editors are doing work on it. How to ask some to work on an article for ce?Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 19:05, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

@Rock Stone Gold Castle You can make a ce request at the Guild of Copy Editors here. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 19:12, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

@Pyrrho the Skipper, @Rock Stone Gold Castle I did some ce, and I will do more when I get to my desktop computer where it's easier. David10244 (talk) 06:43, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

I haven't gotten to this yet, but within 24 hours from now I sould bd able to, David10244 (talk) 04:08, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

I have done some copyedits up to and including "Match-fixing scandal". If anyone can give advice on whether those updates are good, please let me know -- I was guessing what was meant, for a few of them. I need to check other articles to see if team names should be italicized or otherwise set off. Thanks. David10244 (talk) 20:46, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Looks like good editing to me, thanks for doing it. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 20:53, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@Pyrrho the Skipper thanks, I'll continue. David10244 (talk) 22:53, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Question about re-using citations

Hello Teahouse. Relatively new editor (~200 edits in last month). First time editing Teahouse, hopefully I get this right (no visual editor available?)

I operate mostly in visual editor.

I find myself editing Wikipedia in the following fashion: 1. Find a reliable source like a newspaper, journal, or book. 2. Read through the source, follow the subjects in Wikipedia, edit the Wikipedia pages to add information from the source that may be missing from the articles.

So I find myself wanting to cite the same source but across multiple articles. I see how to re-use a citation from within the same article. Is there a way to re-use my "recently-used" citations? Is there a way to re-use a citation from another article? If not, any recommendations how I can request this feature from WMF? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vipavipa (talk • contribs) 22:35, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Vipavipa, you might bring it up at Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab), if anywhere. In your place, I'd simply write the reference within a text file on my hard drive, and copy and paste it when/where appropriate. I don't know how this is unsatisfactory: your proposal sounds like a lot of work for little benefit. As for how to edit the text file, many excellent text editors are "free", both libre ("free software") and gratis ("freeware"); I use Geany myself. -- Hoary (talk) 22:56, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@Vipavipa welcome to Teahouse! A simple solution I use is finding an existing citation I like, changing it to edit mode (both visual/wikitext work) and then copying the citation I want. I can simply paste it in any future articles I want, so if I wanted to bulk insert it in 10 different articles, I'd past them all inside. No need for a text editor even. I do wish there was an easier way to copy a citation, without having to switch to edit mode though. Similarly, I wish I could drag text, and have it copy the wikitext for links, images etc.. easily ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 23:02, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary @Shushugah

Your suggestions are most satisfactory, I was just too dimwitted to come up with them on my own. I've tested this method, works well enough for me! Thank you for successful cup of tea, I'm happy to close this (don't know how) Vipavipa (talk) 23:11, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

unblocking school's IP address for responsible use

I'm a high school English teacher with 6 years of experience in school project editing of WP. I noticed this year that our school's IP address has been blocked for "disruptive editing". It wasn't my students, that's for sure! How can I enable my students, who need to pass Wikipedia Adventure training before doing their edit/add project, to edit WP pages? I can provide the IP address that's blocked, if needed. Swim123blue (talk) 23:20, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@Swim123blue: This link may help. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:23, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Change color of username

Hello, I don’t know how to change my username color, I just want the highlights of my username to be pink (following hex #f743d9) Could one of you guys please do an easier step by step instructions? I would just want the background basically. And the word could be Ilikememes128. The reason why I am so confused is because my Dislexia is acting up right now. Thank you! have a nice day! Ilikememes128 (talk) 23:14, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Ilikememes128, welcome to the Teahouse. Save the below in the "Signature" field at Special:Preferences, mark "Treat the above as wiki markup", and click "Save" at the bottom to get this signature: Ilikememes128 (talk). PrimeHunter (talk) 23:24, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

[[User:Ilikememes128|<span style="color:#f743d9">Ilikememes128</span>]] ([[User talk:Ilikememes128|talk]])

Google maps (and other mapping sources)

Can I use sites like google maps for describing features, like rivers, especially if I use both? Mitch199811 (talk) 01:08, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Mitch199811, Welcome to the Teahouse!

Here's an excerpt from Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources:

Google Maps and Google Street View may be useful for some purposes, including finding and verifying geographic coordinates and other basic information like street names. However, especially for objects like boundaries (of neighborhoods, allotments, etc.), where other reliable sources are available they should be preferred over Google Maps and Google Street View. It can also be difficult or impossible to determine the veracity of past citations, since Google Maps data is not publicly archived, and may be removed or replaced as soon as it is not current. Inferring information solely from Street View pictures may be considered original research. Note that due to restrictions on geographic data in China, OpenStreetMap coordinates for places in mainland China are almost always much more accurate than Google's – despite OpenStreetMap being user-generated – due to the severe distortion introduced by most commercial map providers. (References, in any case, are usually not required for geographic coordinates.)

I can't really sum it up better than this. Hopefully this helps, and feel free to reach out if you have any further questions! echidnaLives - talk - edits 01:45, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, if I verify something with both OSM and Google maps, can I put it in an article? Mitch199811 (talk) 01:56, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@Mitch199811 Yes, you should be able to! echidnaLives - talk - edits 02:01, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

update : Failed Musical Article.

I found an article that is solely and entirely about the failed project. It had a wide variety of useful information to help shape the project to look more useful and finished. I’ve also been using your suggestions here, removing details that don’t seem appropriate, grammatical errors. Anything I could find or fix. So far it’s looking pretty closed to polish and I just wanted to know if there was any other possible fixes you can see in it. Morgo0915 (talk) 13:54, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy link to Draft:Square One (Musical)  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   14:11, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

@Morgo0915 Did you read all of the comments in the section above on the same topic? David10244 (talk) 04:19, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

My Article Got Declined

My Article Got Declined I Have Made the Necessary Correction Can It be submitted again? Beckyrose233 (talk) 23:58, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Godson_Umeh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beckyrose233 (talk • contribs) 23:59, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Those who denied your article said that the article fails to meet the notability requirements, which upon reading I see aswell. There are also numerous grammatical mistakes in the article, making it unsuitable for an encyclopaedia adding on to the failure to meet the notability requirements. Raymond Kestis (talk) 00:38, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@Beckyrose233: Please first read Wikipedia:Golden rule and then tell us which three sources you cite are compliant with that rule. Then you need to work on cleaning up the poor English grammar in that draft. Yes, you can submit it again after you improve it further. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:43, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Beckyrose233. Let's take a close look at the first sentence of your draft, which currently reads, Godson Umeh (born 11 September 1995) is a British-Nigerian jewelry designer based in London, Who is known for his handcrafted custom jewellery, He is a founder of Godson Jewelry. That is an atrocious run-on sentence with terrible capitalization that has no place in an encyclopedia. The reference that you propose to support that sentence is to a website that is obviously regurgitating press releases or public relations activities by the subject of your draft. This is exactly the wrong way to try to write an encyclopedia article. Your draft fails to make a convincing case that this person is notable. Cullen328 (talk) 05:50, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328: I have made some improvements and grammatical corrections pls can you help me confirm this before I proceed with the next step Beckyrose233 (talk

Several refs appear to be derived from press releases. David notMD (talk) 11:45, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@David notMD: I did a Lil bit of cleanup already and the refs remaining there are clearly not press released as I have also submitted them via wiki live help center and they were accepted am confused can pinpoint the refs you are referring to as press releases here? the person in question help is well-known jewelry designer that has clearly worked with tons of celebrities Beckyrose233 (talk

Beckyrose233, the source "I’ve no regrets leaving school early – Jewelry Designer, Godson Umeh" is, as its title suggests, simply based on what GU has said. "‘I have plans to go global’ – Godson Umeh, Jeweller" is the same. "Godson Umeh | The Jewelry Artist Plans His Breakthrough in America" combines a starstruck profile ("shot to fame with his refined sense of luxury items and brilliant strategies to grow his business", etc) with GU's musings about his future. At this point, I stopped clicking on the links to sources. Which of the other sources would you say are the best three? -- Hoary (talk) 22:28, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Hoary "I’ve no regrets leaving school early – Jewelry Designer, Godson Umeh" I read this article before adding to the draft (ref) also did some evaluation on this said article to be honest this articles was reviewed by some Wikipedia editors and deemed news worthy #Pass before, I was 100% sure to attach to the said draft and yes it clear what GU said. celebrities make posts about themself things they use to do and because of their celebrity status most of these top papers pick this post and generate it in an article i don't know if you actually read the article pls you should so as to verify this yourself.

https://independent.ng/godson-umeh-set-to-take-underprivileged-youths-off-streets-sponsor-their-education/

https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2022/10/17/godson-umeh-reinvents-himself-as-the-favorite-jeweler-of-football-stars-celebrities/

https://editor.guardian.ng/arts-2/jeweler-godson-umeh-customizes-cartier-glasses-for-meek-mill/

and yes, several news coverages about GU on the internet from independent sources which I felt wasnt necessary to add Beckyrose233 (talk — Preceding undated comment added 01:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@Beckyrose233 "was reviewed by some Wikipedia editors and deemed news worthy". Which editors did this, and how? Can you link to where these editors deemed these sources to be "news worthy". Thanks. David10244 (talk) 04:26, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@David10244 via https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:IRC_help_disclaimer He has worked with notable acts like Zlatan Nigeria rapper, Davido, Trevoh Chalobah, Reheem sterling, and a lot of others. Godson is also verified on all his social media platforms.) and has also been featured in other notable UK Magazines, not just one or two. "Still not a notable jeweler"? I will agree, however, that most of the independent sources don't have a byline that was removed, but even then, there are some independent sources in the body. Beckyrose233 (talk

Turkish book dated back to the 500AD writen in 600B.C

We have a Turkish book dating back to 500Ad written in 600 B.C good binding book is about 2 inches thick 2001:569:7FBC:7E00:7102:360A:4F51:FCF (talk) 02:56, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Is this a question? If you are using this book as a source, please see H:REFB. Sarrail (talk) 02:59, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

I don't understand any of this; the book was written in 600 BC but somehow dates "back" to 500 AD? Was it republished? The note about the binding makes me think the OP wants to put the book, whatever it is, up for sale. And the note about the thickness is strange... David10244 (talk) 04:36, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

cant upload my page

hello my page is made beautifully but i am unable to upload it cann u help me out its still in sand box User:Akshayparmar.gu/sandbox RASHID ZIRAK (talk) 09:06, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

RASHAD ZIRAK Hello. Wikipedia is not a place to post your resume or tell the world about yourself. Please read the autobiography policy. If you meet the notability criteria, someone will eventually write about you- though an article is not necessarily desirable. 331dot (talk) 09:38, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Tn House candidate link help

I would like to have link to ballotpedia embedded in my name link on 2022 TN House candidate page so users can click to find out more information about me like my competitors incumbent link.

how do I get this accomplished? https://ballotpedia.org/Kevin_West_(Tennessee) 2001:5B0:241B:6168:7495:AEA5:6DC0:CC0E (talk) 03:12, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure what you want, Kevin, but it doesn't seem to be related to Wikipedia. If it indeed is not, then you'll have to ask elsewhere. -- Hoary (talk) 03:18, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Kevin, you managed to add the Ballotpedia URL next to your name, but I removed it, as it's not appropriate for Wikipedia.--Quisqualis (talk) 03:28, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. External links are rarely permitted within Wikipedia articles - see that link for details. You have a conflict of interest in editing that article, and should not edit it directly: rather you should make an edit request, and an uninvolved editor will choose whether and how to implement your request. ColinFine (talk) 11:00, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Article creation

Hi, i having problems submitting my article to the draft. Draft:Mile 17 - Wikipedia also it seems dificult to write an article need some help and also how to navigate Wikidata.

Ecobrown (talk) 11:03, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Mile 17 was submitted and Declined for lack of valid references. It appears to be an intersection on the N8 road, not a named town or city. David notMD (talk) 11:46, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Doubt regarding cross wiki translation

Hello sir/madam, recently I have translated a another language Wikipedia page into English using Wikipedia:Content translation tool (reason: the page was not available in English) and the page was reviewed and it was successful and the page got published in the mainstream. I have also added relevant English citations to the translated content rather than the other original language citations.
My doubt here is:
1. Does it lead to copyright violation for not giving credits to the person of the original language creator?
2. Am I supposed to reward credits to the original creator?
3. Am I actually required to take permission from the original creator before translating?
4. If I am supposed to give credits since I violated the rule, what is the remedy available for me now?

I am really worried since it was my first Translation. Please guide me, Thank you 456legend(talk) 08:51, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@456legend: you can put {{translated page|1=<language code>|2=<article name>}} on the talk page of the article. by the way, what page is it? lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 12:44, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@Lettherebedarklight it is this page Teegala Krishna Reddy 456legend(talk) 12:55, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@456legend: you have attributed the translation in your edit summary, and that is sufficient. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 12:57, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@Lettherebedarklight Thank you too for the response. 456legend(talk) 12:59, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, 456legend. To understand what you're required to do when translating articles for publication on English Wikipedia, please see Help:Translation#License requirements. For what to do to fix situations where attribution wasn't given, see Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia#Repairing insufficient attribution. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:50, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cordless Larry Okay Thank you for your reply, I have just done that. 456legend(talk) 12:58, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Simplified policies

I have recently been reading about the policies of Wikipedia (eg. WP:BLP) , and I'd like to ask, is there a simplified version of the policies that experienced editors use? Dinoz1 (chat?) 12:37, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@Dinoz1 In my experience, delving into policies is a poor idea. You'll get much more of an introduction of what actually matters by adding this Teahouse to your watchlist and occasionally looking to see what others are asking about and being helped with. There is a tutorial you can access from Help:Introduction but I don't know whether it is any good as I haven't tried it. You will also get a lot of ideas about policies by looking at the Talk Pages of articles with many editors; in the case of living people, that would be almost any well-known politician. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:29, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! Dinoz1 (chat?) 13:34, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Assistance Needed To Update Wikipedia Page for Recording Artist Calvin Richardson

Hi - My name is Kevin McCrea and I manage professional recording artist Calvin Richardson. We need assistance updating the Influences Section by deleting the sentences below. If you have any questions, please contact me at (Redacted). Thanks.

...He also cites R. Kelly: "R. Kelly is somebody I really wanted to work with. He has run into some unfortunate situations as of late, but it doesn’t take away, for me, the greatness that’s there. I have always been impressed by his depth of creativity. When the opportunity was there, I didn’t do it. But he has always been someone I looked up to on the creative side."... Cre.kmccrea (talk) 19:56, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Mr. McCrea, unfortunatly due to your close relationship with Calvin Richardson any edits you would make would be a clear conflict of intrest and go against Wikipedia's strict Wikipedia:NPOV rule. Also, definitely not a wise idea to advertise your phone number online. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 20:01, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @FishandChipperThe information currently posted needs to be removed for professional reasons. We are simply making the request to have some remove that please. Cre.kmccrea (talk) 20:04, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

You can't just remove something if you don't like it. The quote is well sourced and has no reason to be removed. Perhaps it would be best to advise Mr. Richardson on not making these remarks in the future if he wouldn't want to be quoted on them. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 20:07, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

I've just 86'd the entire section as practically a copyright violation via excessive quoting. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 20:07, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

And it's now become something of an edit war... please take it to the talk page. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:10, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

If so it's a patently foolish one, as the section was pretty much all quotes ripped from the same source (and it's trivial to prove that even without the copyvio-checker tool). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 20:19, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Quite true, and I can see valid arguments for removal (not including "it's professionally damaging", which, of course, is not really one of our concerns). Someone has already taken a stab at a rewrite, thank you Darth Mike! 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your assistance. That is greatly appreciated. Cre.kmccrea (talk) 20:13, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Are you able to remove it again, it looks like someone put it back, thanks. Cre.kmccrea (talk) 21:17, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cre.kmccrea, if you want to present a policy based reason for removal, please use the talk page, Talk:Calvin Richardson. Also, please declare your status as a paid editor per WP:PAID. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:19, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cre.kmccrea: I only removed it because of the excessive quotes. As the section now is, that issue has been addressed. I will say it again: we do not care about what your client wants. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 21:33, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@Jéské Couriano Thanks Jeske, but respectfully, this quote is misrepresenting the way it was redrafted as an Influence. Below is the original quote from the story which is discussed as someone to make good music. This is not an Influence.

Is there an artist or producer who you’ve always felt you could make great music with?

R. Kelly is somebody I really wanted to work with. He has run into some unfortunate situations as of late, but it doesn’t take away, for me, the greatness that’s there. I have always been impressed by his depth of creativity. When the opportunity was there, I didn’t do it. But he has always been someone I looked up to on the creative side. Cre.kmccrea (talk) 21:50, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

That wording does as much to indicate he was an influence on Richardson's work than it does to say Richardson wants/wanted to collaborate with him. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 22:05, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Calvin Richardson - the item appears to be reliably sourced, and no reason for removal has been given. @Cre.kmccrea, please discuss this on the talk page, Talk:Calvin Richardson. I will remove some unsourced personal information from the article shortly, per our guidelines on WP:BLPs. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:05, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

That sentence is cited to https://qcitymetro.com/2018/10/15/n-c-music-hall-of-fame-inductee-calvin-richardson-shares-highs-lows-and-inspirations/. That being said, that entire section verges on an excessive quote and needs to be heavily cut down, if not eliminated entirely. And we don't care about what your client wants. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 20:05, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cre.kmccrea: In order to comply with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure policy, could you please tell us if you work for/paid directly by Calvin Richardson? Or are you employed by an agency and he is a client? --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 15:04, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Created an article and a draft

Hello, I created a draft and then another copy paste article (that is wrong, I learned). Now what I have to do please? Can I remove the Article I created as e copy or I have to remove the Draft and to let the Article?? I am talking about ORDO Store. It has and a draft page also. P.S. I am a new editor on Wikipedia:-) Nrt0011 (talk) 09:56, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Confirming that you created Draft:ORDO Store, which was Declined and then Rejected, and also ORDO Store, which has been nominated for deletion. David notMD (talk) 10:27, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Do not attempt to remove the article. The AfD process takes 7-10 days. At the end, an Administrator will decide to either keep or delete the article. David notMD (talk) 10:33, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Good thank you @David notMD. So what about the draft page please? Nrt0011 (talk) 10:39, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Nrt0011 What is your association with Gru088? 331dot (talk) 10:41, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

The draft was Rejected by a highly experienced Reviewer, which means that in that person's opinion, the draft (similar/identical in content to the article), has no potential to become an article. One option is to abandon the draft, meaning stop all editing. At the end of six months it will be deleted. I leave to others to explain a process for faster deletion. Separately, answer 331dot's question, as it is suspicious that Gru088, as a newly created account, has taken an active interest in your article. David notMD (talk) 10:51, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

I understand you @David notMD and I have not any personal interest with this article. All this is because that was my seconde article I created and I really worked so much to edit and create it, to make it looks correct and collecting as much informations as its possible. For these reasons I would like if my work is in compatible with Wikipedia standards. @331dot I don't know anyone here I swear and also I don't know @Gru088. I don't know what this Editor have made and I don't know how to do this because I am new here and I don't know many things except editing articles and trying to add new articles. Nrt0011 (talk) 11:07, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Nrt0011 It would be very unusual for a new account to find and edit an existing article at random. Is this article or draft being discussed off wiki somewhere? 331dot (talk) 11:19, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@331dot Maybe there is anyone in interest with this one, I really don't know nothing about this. I have not share in any place outside Wiki this Article, never. Nrt0011 (talk) 11:24, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Gru088 has been asked on Talk page why four of five edits in a new account are about ORDO Store. Separate from that, the article is heading toward deletion and the draft was Rejected, so I recommend stopping all efforts to create an article about ORDO, and move on to other topics. I also recommend that you use the AfC process rather than directly creating articles, until you have more experience and AfC success. David notMD (talk) 11:37, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

this is my family business and i wanted to edit something on it. it is on its job and without wiki. i just want to edit something was there. Gru088 (talk) 15:32, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Fusa Miyake

Fusa Miyake is a scientist who discovered the Miyake Events. These are spikes in Carbon 14 levels in tree rings.

Miyake Events is an entry on Wiki. But, Fusa Miyake does not have an entry. I don't know enough to create a page but perhaps someone else can. Edwin Hustead (talk) 13:20, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: 774–775 carbon-14 spike   Maproom (talk) 13:30, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@Edwin Hustead Welcome to the teahouse. Her most highly cited paper appears to be doi:10.1017/RDC.2020.41 but the senior author was someone else. She was the senior author on doi:10.1038/nature11123, with ~390 citations according to Google scholar. Can you cite about three WP:INDEPENDENT sources about Miyake as a person, as distinct from the work done? If so then WP:NACADEMIC might be met and an article could be drafted. You could put the best sources here for us to make a judgement. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:36, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi, here are some links about her and her work :

• A Q&A to her at APS
• Review at Phys.org about the article mentioned above
• Idem at New Scientist
• Idem at Scientific American
• As anecdote, she is mentioned in a study about vikings, at the New York Times and National Geographic

Also, she is co-author of a book about it (Extreme Solar Particle Storms: The hostile Sun, 2019). Cheers. Alexcalamaro (talk) 05:33, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@Alexcalamaro The problem is always to show notability. For that, interviews are no good, except for basic facts, while paradoxically, "anecdotes" in main-stream newspapers/magazines may be fine. The New Scientist and Scientific American sources are brief but do seem WP:INDEPENDENT. There may be source in Japanese, too, if they can be teased out. Reviews of the book in reliable sources would also help. Would you be willing to start a simple draft? Then @Edwin Hustead could chip in either directly or via its Talk Page with more sources. Folks at WP:WikiProject Women in Red may be interested, too. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:26, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

I'll be glad to do a draft. I originally found the name in an article in Archeaology today so I'll include that.

Should I just respond here, or to your e-mail, or somewhere else? Edwin Hustead (talk) 14:59, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@Edwin Hustead The best thing to do is to use the WP:AFC process (see that link for details). This will create Draft:Fusa Miyake (currently a red link as the page doesn't exist). Then others can chip in. We like to be completely open about what we are doing, so rarely use email. The Talk Page of the draft will be a good place for discussions if you get stuck with anything and I'll keep an eye out for that. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:37, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Review request

Dear Teahouse reader,

I have submitted the article 'Radiosands' for review 6 months ago, and have been waiting 6 months for approval but there has not yet been a review. The same article has already been published in the German language here: https://de.wiki.x.io/wiki/Radiosands I would be happy to link the English translation of the German page to the already existing German page. You can find the draft page of the English version here: Draft:Radiosands

It would be very helpful if the English page could be reviewed soon.

Many thanks for your work! Artandarchives (talk) 13:24, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@Artandarchives Perhaps triggered by your post here, the draft has now been reviewed and declined. There are a few comments from the reviewer that you should take care to try to resolve before re-submission. Note that the draft has not been rejected and may well be capable of improving to the required standard. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:33, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Note that the draft had been waiting 3 months (since July), not 6 months. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:13, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Notability Sources Check

Last week someone suggested I could post my links here for them to be checked for notability. Could someone please let me know if these 3 are strong enough for my article to be approved? Thank you.

[8] [9] [10] GlobalAaloo (talk) 12:57, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@GlobalAaloo I assume this is in relation to WP:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1168#Buzz_words and the article is Draft:Center for Central European Architecture. @Tigraan was the one who suggested supplying the references. They all seem to be in Czech (?) which I can't understand; the second one asks me to log in, so is unhelpful! Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:19, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, GlobalAaloo. The first one almost certainly does not help because as far as I can see it is about the two people, not about the Center. Furthermore, it is just short biographies of them, without a named author, so it must be presumed that it is not independent of them, and so is of limited use, and no use at all for establishing notability, either for them or for the Center.

The second one I can't read, for the same reason as Mike

The third one may possibly be helpful. But it appears to be mainly about a particular exhibition, with only a paragraph about the Center. Reading the Google translation, it looks to me very much as if that paragraph is based on a press release, and so is not independent. So, while bits of information from that article may be acceptable for an article, it does not seem to me to contribute to establishing notability. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 16:17, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Detail about non-notable people in the recent past - throughly referenced, but?

Would appreciate some takes on this. I reverted the addition of some unsourced family and community history to Shelley, British Columbia, but am concerned that the article as it stands contains a lot of sourced content (local newspaper) about named and non-notable people of the recent past. Looks like WP:OR. I'm having difficulty sorting the actually notable events and people from the run of the mill content. Article has been tagged for possibly too much detail for two years. Any views on what could or should be cut would be helpful. Thanks. Tacyarg (talk) 19:26, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@Tacyarg: It may seem extreme, but I would take an axe to the entire list of people, using the essay WP:WTAF as a reason. These are lists disguised as prose, but for lists, it is generally a good practice not to list things that don't already have their own standalone Wikipedia article. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:35, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Tacyarg, the main author of that article obviously pored through the archives of a small town newspaper and added a stunningly large number of descriptions of trivial incidents. In my opinion, it is inappropriate and the vast majority of that content should be eliminated. Cullen328 (talk) 23:29, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

I would remove at least 90% of it. Though I hope that person volunteers at their historical society because wow. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 23:32, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

DMBanks1 appears to be in the practice of adding huge amounts of perhaps trivial content to obscure Canada articles. David notMD (talk) 05:01, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, that's helpful. I have removed 66% of the page and linked to this discussion on the Talk page. There is probably room for further cuts and I have left the "intricate detail" tag in place. Tacyarg (talk) 13:05, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@David notMD: You raise an interesting point which merits a response. I cheerfully admit that the Shelley expansion made in my earlier WP endeavours was excessive. At the time, it was my best effort at having at least more than a stub as the only online resource. As for the response by another regarding the small-town newspaper, I should mention that Prince George is actually a city. According to WP, it was incorporated as such in 1915, but being WP, I cannot vouch for the date.

However, as to my more recent efforts, although one might consider some less significant places or cultures as obscure or trivial, it is probably not ideal to express that point of view especially when largely unfamiliar with the context. The challenge we encounter when addressing stub articles is that there is an indifference in WP to allow them to be merged into larger articles despite attempts that I have made to do so. In expanding many articles beyond stub status, one finds there is limited low hanging fruit to add. Consequently, such an expansion is likely to contain content which would never even make the first draft of a more significant subject.

That being said, where the WP article is the only online resource providing a meaningful overview of a location, readers prefer the specifics of a location rather than the generics of a region, a common problem with many such articles in the KnowBC subscription encyclopedia. Also, some specific content has been added because its ultimate purpose is to be a feeder link on other existing WP articles. Could some content have been excluded? Absolutely! The reason it made it to the final draft without deletion was because it contributed to a grasp of the flavour of the particular place and region during the various eras. Furthermore, what at first glance may appear to be an overkill does reveal a story for the reader who wishes to gain a clearer understanding.

Although I have never resided in the BC interior or belonged to any historical society, through WP involvement I have extensively emailed or had phone conversations with folk who reside or have resided in these places categorized as obscure. As a WP contributor, I believe that it is part of our duty to let their voices be heard. DMBanks1 (talk) 18:10, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Several experienced Teahouse contributors expressed opinions that there was far too much content. One then acted to do major cuts. A discussion on what belongs and what not could be taken up on the Talk page of the article David notMD (talk) 03:14, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Prior to the article being mentioned here at Teahouse, it had a median viewership of two per day. I am not saying that obscurity is reason to not make articles better, but still. David notMD (talk) 03:17, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@David notMD: I am surprised the readership was as high as two per day. I would expect 90% of the BC-related articles would envy such a viewership. Since senior editors are indifferent to culling the countless BC stubs, I can only assume they do not share your views on whether a personal perception of obscurity is a relevant factor. Perhaps they are swinging too far in the direction of the more enlightened view that WP should be encouraging articles that have no international significance but foster a local cultural identity. At the city library where I reside, the librarians consider that if a library book is taken out more than 10 times during its lifetime, that is exceptional.

I possess a fair working knowledge of various parts of the BC interior. Whenever I read WP articles on such places, mostly they are nothing more than a jumble of a few ideas, often with limited relevance to the location and containing a range of longstanding inaccuracies. Until there are contributors willing to research and expand these articles with accurate, cited information, people are not going to expect WP has credible content to offer. DMBanks1 (talk) 16:22, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Co-ordinated Tool To Monitor Edits

Hi, I want to know if you have an idea of a wiki-tool that can be used to monitor co-ordinated edits aside organisers using outreach dashboard & the Hashtag tool. Jwale2 (talk) 14:55, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@Jwale2 If you want to investigate suspected coordinated editing, there are tools such as this one. Otherwise, you may have to rephrase your question. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 16:14, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

I think the OP is referring to an edit-a-thon or some similar (legitimately coordinated) event. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:33, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Popular covers of obscure original songs

Hi, I've been wondering what the rule is for pages of songs which were obscure upon their original release but had a much more popular cover version. I noticed that some of these are written as if they were only about the cover (with the lead infobox being about the cover), even though the opening sentence suggests otherwise. For example, Nothing Compares 2 U was originally written by Prince for The Family, but the article reads as if it were by Sinead O'Connor. Clearly, the version on which the article is centered isn't just the most popular version, as Respect is centered on the Otis Redding version, with the Aretha Franklin version as a subsection further down even though it's easily more popular. WP:NMG says that "[n]otable covers can have a standalone article provided it can be a reasonably-detailed article based on facts independent of the original", but these pages clearly aren't exclusively about the specific covers (using Nothing Compares 2 U as an example again, Prince's posthumously released solo demo version is included as a subsection), so what determines this? ForeverStamp (talk) 04:20, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@ForeverStamp There is some interesting and relatively recent discussion about this at Wikipedia talk:Notability (music)/Archive 23#Really, a cover can never have an independent article?, which provides The Star Spangled Banner (Whitney Houston recording) and the covers of We Are the World done after the 2010 Haiti earthquake as examples of a separate article for a cover version of a song. Whatever consensus exists looks pretty shaky, but the general idea right now seems to be that cover versions should be folded into whatever "main" article there is for a song, with few exceptions. Shells-shells (talk) 06:34, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, but if the original song isn't viewed as notable enough, should it only be mentioned? Girls Just Want to Have Fun is another example - is it correct the way it is or would it be better if the main infobox was about Robert Hazard's version and "Cyndi Lauper version" was a subsection? ForeverStamp (talk) 18:46, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Hound Dog (song) may not be a "Good Article" (capitalized), but it strikes me as a very good article, dealing adeptly with the (stunning) original, a far better-selling cover, and various other covers. -- Hoary (talk) 07:16, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

help

the wikipedia snazz line code from department of fun isnt working for me. please help Allaoii (talk) 20:20, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Please ask a question in a way that others can understand what you're talking about. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:16, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Allaoii, welcome to the Teahouse. Are you talking about {{User:Listroiderbob/Snazz line}}? What's the problem you're having? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:03, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

its not working for me Allaoii (talk) 19:49, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@Allaoii, you've already said that it isn't working for you - in order for someone to help, you'll need to be more specific. Is it not showing up at all? Is only part of it showing up? If only part shows up, which part is missing? Can you try it out somewhere - maybe in your sandbox - and then post a link here, so we can see for ourselves what's going on? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:55, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

none of it is showing up it just puts the code on my user page i tryd using sandbox it also dosnt work Allaoii (talk) 19:58, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@Allaoii, I've placed the snazzy line at the top of your talk page, as an experiment and example. I can't edit your user page, since I'm an IP, so can you try copying the code I used to your user page, and seeing what happens? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:05, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

how do i get rid of the words? Allaoii (talk) 20:07, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@Allaoii, the words are part of the template. You'd have to create a new template, without the words. This is a bit complicated - I'd recommend asking on the talk page (Wikipedia talk:Department of Fun, you've already been there, I see) how to go about it. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:10, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

ok thanks Allaoii (talk) 20:14, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

You need to use the source editor, or use the "Insert > Template" button. The visual editor doesn't expand template code. WPscatter ^t/_c 20:07, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Artist website assistance

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Dan_Llywelyn_Hall

Hello people. I wonder if you can kindly offer tips at improving chances of being published? Richiebloomberg (talk) 21:03, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@Richiebloomberg: People don't get "websites" here. See MOS:LAYOUT for starters. It shows how the sections of an encyclopedia article should be layed out. Also add an infobox; see Template:Infobox artist for usage instructions. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:12, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

There is no requirement for an infobox; many editors (myself among them) believe that they degrade articles about artists (and many other subjects), as they give undue prominence to relative trivia and repeat what is anyway easily retrievable from decently written prose. The problems with this draft are elsewhere. It says very little, and much of what it does say is hard to understand. Example: his work features in numerous public collections such as The Last Tommy Harry Patch and Henry Allingham both veterans of WW1. "Features" means anything or next to nothing. ("Are in"?) And though this appears to give two examples of public collections, neither sounds to me like a public collection. Or again: Dan Llywelyn Hall became the 133 artist to officially paint a portrait of Queen Elizabeth II the portrait entitled Icon. Does "133 artist" mean "133rd artist"? What is the distinction between painting officially and unofficially? Et cetera. -- Hoary (talk) 22:32, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Richiebloomberg as long as you have reliable references give more details about Hall’s work, to help persuade a reviewer that the artist is notable.

Your 2013 The Guardian reference about Mr. Hall being the 133rd artist to paint the Queen states that the portrait was commissioned by the Welsh Rugby Union to mark the 60th anniversary of Queen Elizabeth’s coronation, and that the queen sat for him for an hour at Windsor Castle. Your 2020 BBC website reference states that a gallery in Bath bought the oil painting of Harry Patch, and that the portrait of Patch was displayed at the National Portrait Gallery in 2009, and was featured in a BBC documentary. And your Royal Collection Trust website reference states that Study of Henry Allingham: ‘The Last Volunteer’ was presented to Queen Elizabeth II by the artist in 2009. Instead of just writing “his (the artist’s) work features in numerous public collections” (which sounds vague, and could be referring to a small venue that only a dozen people ever visited) you should be specific and say his work was displayed at the National Portrait Gallery, and that he presented a sketch to Queen Elizabeth. Show that his work has been seen in impressive circles.

What other work has Hall done? Can you find referenced information on two or three other works that have been displayed to the public? Can you find a newspaper or magazine article about Hall, giving his date of birth, where he studied, or if he won any prestigious art awards? I would advise you to do a little more research on Hall, to help show he meets notability requirements. Karenthewriter (talk) 05:01, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Very kind of you to take the time to respond. We have edited the page a bit more now. I wonder if you might give it one final look!? Richiebloomberg (talk) 12:17, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Richiebloomberg I'm not a reviewer, but the draft has been improved, and looks more notable to me. In your Public collections section there is a .jpg that isn't showing and, unfortunately, I don't have the time to try and figure out what the problem is. Best wishes on your draft being accepted. Karenthewriter (talk) 22:23, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Feedback on a rewrite

Hi WIkipedians,

I'm working on improving the article for The Mac Weekly student newspaper. It was deleted in 2018 because it was very short and deemed not notable enough.

My rewrite was just re-deleted because it didn't contain enough secondary sources. I've since added some, could someone review it and give me feedback before I try publishing again? It's in my sandbox, I'm not sure if/how drafts work: User:Sockwell162/sandbox.

Also, there are a lot of sources for the notable alumni section, most of which are from the paper's archives. Is this ok? If not, what should I change?

Thank you. Sockwell162 (talk) 19:45, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Sockwell, and welcome to the Teahouse. It would be surprising if a student newspaper had garnered enough attention in reliable independent sources to establish that it was notable. I haven't looked at your multifarious sources in detail, but I notice that a good number are citations to the paper itself. Not one of those is capable of playing any part in establishing notability. Most of them should be removed, and any information sourced to them removed from the article (See WP:PRIMARY for the very limited kinds of information which can be sourced to primary sources). Looking at a couple more - the Scarlet and Black is a student newspaper, so unlikely to be regarded as a reliable source and in any case the article doesn't say very much about The Mac, and what it does say based on an interview with The Mac's editor, so it is not independent. The ACP reference merely mentions the paper, and cannot contribute to notability. Alumni are neither here nor there - notability is not inherited. I haven't looked further.

The very first step in writing an article - without which it is likely that every single minute put into the article has been wasted time - is to find several sources, each of which meets all three of the following criteria: 1) the source is a reliable source; 2) the source is independent of the subject - neither the publisher, not the writer, is associated with the subject, and it is not based on a press release or interview from the subject; 3) it contains significant coverage of the subject. If you have three or more references which satisfy all these conditions, please point us at them; otherwise I recommend you don't spend any more time or effort on this. ColinFine (talk) 20:33, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Sockwell162, in addition to what Colin Fine has explained, my impression, having edited the article, is that the Weekly is not much different from the average student newspaper, most of which strive diligently for their own level of notoriety. --Quisqualis (talk) 21:54, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

We have hundreds of articles about student newspapers. Take a look at Category:Student newspapers and its many subcategories. Cullen328 (talk) 22:45, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

And many of them are seriously deficient in sourcing. ColinFine (talk) 23:22, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Article Creation

My wiki user talk page is User talk:Toreezy00, my Draft is Draft:Torikatelyn, I am reaching out because I created an article about myself as a singer, I including the links to my songs, and was told I need non primary sources, how can I find non primary sources on an article about myself? How is that possible? Toreezy00 (talk) 17:16, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@Toreezy00 You are advised not to write an article about yourself, because it is nearly impossible to be neutral when writing about yourself. But more importantly, your article did not cite any sources at all. A non-primary source is like an article written about you, or a significant mention of you in a book. You'll need to add those to the article, if they exist. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 17:23, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@Toreezy00: Please see WP:RS for detailed info about identifying reliable sources. But it'll be very hard and very frustrating trying to write an autobiography unless you have much more editing experience. As an example, anyone can create songs and link to them, or post YouTube videos. We need to show that someone working for an independent third party media outlet felt the songs and the musician were notable enough to write about. You'd be better off working on a less restrictive social media platform such as Facebook. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:51, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Toreezy00. To enlarge on what Pyrrho says above, articles in this encyclopaedia have to demonstrate that their subject is "notable", which boils down to sufficient material having been published about them by people unconnected with them in "reliable sources", which the article must "cite." This is because Wikipedia only summarises what has already been published elsewhere, so that everything in an article can be verifiable, at least in theory, by anyone who reads it.

Most of an article should consist of information summarised from independent reliable sources (which excludes their own or their relatives' and friends' social media, published or broadcast interviews with them, and publicity material released by their management or record label, for example). An individual's personal knowledge about a subject (whether it's themself or somebody else) that hasn't been published can never be included in an article, because it can't be verified by readers. Also, if the subject is still alive or only recently dead, the more stringent rules of Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons apply to the article, for their own (and their relatives') protection and privacy.

For a singer, the particular requirements for notability are covered in WP:Notability (musician). The vast majority of singers and other musicians in the world have not been sufficiently written (or broadcast) about to meet these requirements (although some may do so in the future as their careers progress – see WP:Too soon).

So: are there at least three separate pieces each of at least several paragraphs (or equivalent) that have been written or broadcast about you in newspapers, magazines, journals, books, TV programmes, or similar "reliable sources"? If so, their information can be summarised in different words – except for short, marked quotes (to avoid copyright infringement) – to form the basis of a draft article, which can then be built on by adding further material from other similar sources, all of which must be cited. If not, then regrettably it's probably too soon for a viable Wikipedia article about you.

Remember (or be advised) that Wikipedia forbids promotion of any kind, which is another reason why articles about singers, musicians and other artists are almost never successfully written by themselves or anyone directly connected with them. Remember also that the subject of an article has no control over its contents and is strongly discouraged from editing it directly (except for totally uncontroversial facts), so anything reliably published about them can be added to it even if it is not to their liking.

I hope all this is helpful, and good luck with your career – if it continues to be successful, sooner or later enough will be published about you that someone else will undoubtably want to write a Wikipedia article about you.

[Edited to add . . .] I also notice that the photo you have uploaded to Wikipedia Commons and added to the article has been nominated for deletion. In brief, copyright in a photo nearly always resides with the person who took it, not the subject, even if the subject commissioned it. Your description ". . . birthday photoshoot" suggests it was taken by a professional photographer (whose name is apparently in its metadata), not yourself, so you cannot upload it as "own work" and cannot release it under a CC licence (as Wikipedia requires); only the copyright owner themself can legally do that (thought you could ask them to do so). This is a matter of international laws, and Wikipedia has to abide by them, even though it makes obtaining suitable pictures much harder. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.212.157.244 (talk) 20:15, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, @Toreezy00. Here at Wikipedia, we strongly advise against writing an article about yourself. This is due to the fact that neutrality is extremely hard to uphold when writing an article about yourself, which is stated above. However, an article about yourself is not necessarily a good thing. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia. We document the good and bad based on reliable sources, and as said above, will always strive to be neutral. Now, aside from this and doing a quick google search, I have not found any reliable sources to support that you indeed have the level of notoriety required for an encyclopaedia. So, all of these combined, it is reasonable to think that your article was denied due to a lack of sources and a probable lack of neutrality. Ray 01:15, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

My first Wikipedia page

Dear All, I submitted a page that was rejected on the grounds that it wasn't written from a neutral point of view. Following the advise given, I did my best to edit the page to comply with Wikipedia standards. I am a long time reader of Wikipedia but first time editor. This is my first article on Wikipedia so I am happy to receive any feedback on my revised draft from the more experienced users. https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Kenneth_R._Leibler ProfMagicLunch (talk) 23:59, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi ProfMagicLunch. Just a quick question and comment. First the question: are you connected to Leiber in any way? I'm asking this since it seems as if you have pretty much started editing Wikipedia for the purpose of creating an article about Leiber. While there's nothing wrong doing such a thing per se, often in such cases the person creating the article is somehow has more than just a casual connection to the subject they're trying to trying to create an article about. If you do have some connection to Leiber, it will be easier for others to try and help you and also lessen the chance of you running into problems the more transparent you are about any connection you have to him. Now the comment: please take a look at WP:REFPUNC since location where citations are added to Wikipedia articles is different from what the style you seem to be used. As for promotional language, drafts aren't typically declined simply because their language is promotional (and least not based on my understanding) unless we're looking at something that's extremely promotional, but rather because the WP:Notability of the subject hasn't clearly established. Promotional wording and style-related matters are often issues that can be cleaned up, but a lack of Wikipedia notability is something that is impossible to WP:OVERCOME. Often drafts have a better chance of getting approved by removing extraneous content not directly connected to the subject's Wikipedia notability because the AfC reviewer assessing the draft might have difficultly getting past all of the clutter to assess what's really Wikipedia notable about the subject. So, perhaps try doing a self-assessment of the draft and figure out what the three best sources are for establishing Lieber's Wikipedia notablity per WP:BIO. Build you draft around them and then add additional encyclopedically relevant and reliably sourced content after it's been accepted by AfC. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:45, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

ProfMagicLunch, I have accepted Kenneth R. Leibler into the encyclopedia. After reading about half a dozen of the references, it seems clear to me that he is notable. I do not see any obvious problems with neutrality in your current version. Cullen328 (talk) 00:52, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the prompt feedback. I am glad to join the community of Wikipedia editors. I have been really impressed by the work you all do. ProfMagicLunch (talk) 01:03, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

@ProfMagicLunch: Now that the draft has been accepted and you have declared a WP:COI with respect to Leibler on your user page, you probably should take a close look at WP:COIADVICE and WP:PSCOI#Steps for engagement and avoid directly editing the articles as much as possible from hereon. The nature of your COI is still a bit hazy, however; if WP:PAID applies to your creating of the article in any way, you're going to need to further clarify your connection as explained in WP:UPE because undisclosed paid (compensated) editing is against the Wikimedia Foundations Terms of Use. Some other things you might also want to look at for reference are WP:OWN, WP:LUC, WP:PROUD and WP:BIOSELF now that the article exists. If, by chance, you were contacted by Leibler or someone associated with him and asked to create this article, you should explain to Leibler (or his representative) that he has pretty much zero editorial control over what's written about him on Wikipedia. There are ways he (or they) can seek assistance if they find certain parts of the article to be "problematic", but all article content (positive or negative) is going to be assessed in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines, and not in accordance with the subject's wishes. Finally, please keep in mind that any COI you have to Leibler applies to all content about him on Wikipedia, and not just to the article about him. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:30, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedback. I was not paid nor contacted by anyone to write the article. My disclosure was that I personally know Kenneth Leibler and thought his contributions were worth documenting on Wikipedia. ProfMagicLunch (talk) 01:58, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

​ Thank you for clarifying things a bit. While you probably have a COI, it's probably a pretty mild one depending upon how close you are to Leibler. You should be OK in editing the article as long as you (1) always leave a clear edit summary and (2) place close attention to WP:BLP. If, however, anyone WP:REVERTs you because of your COI or because of some other policy or guideline reason, follow WP:COIADVICE and use the article talk page to discuss things. Right now the article has pretty much zero infromation about Leibler's background; so, any reliably sourced information you can add about that would be a good thing. Try taking a look for similar articles at WP:FA or WP:GA for some general ideas on what kinds of information is typically considered encyclopedically relevant and how to possibly incorporate it into the article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:32, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Using templates

Hi, I'm creating a page on wikipedia for my first time about Sergei Varentsov, and I can't for the life of me figure out how to use templates. I'm trying to use a biography template, but it says that you have to substitute it. How do I substitute my content into the template? SherlockHolmes23 (talk) 09:37, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@SherlockHolmes23: what template are you trying to use? lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 12:37, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@SherlockHolmes23: You are using VisualEditor. Most template documentation is written for the source editor. See Help:VisualEditor#Editing templates, or switch to the source editor to add a template. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:56, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Would it be fine if I left a message on your talkbox after I'm done writing the article, as it is currently very much a work in progress. For now, I've simply just ignored the use of templates apart from a wikibox, and I'll try to use the source editor to see if stuff goes better. Sorry if I don't reply quickly, because I'm GMT+8 SherlockHolmes23 (talk) 23:46, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@SherlockHolmes23: I suggest to keep posting here at the Teahouse. If the section has been archived or it's not about using tempates then start a new section. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:10, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Hazelwood Hall - reads like a copyright violation but dates suggest it is not

This article is not well-sourced, reads like original research and doesn't make it clear why, or if, this house and garden is notable. There is a close version of the text at Lancashire Gardens Trust, which has some responsibility for the garden, but that text is dated 2019 whilst the Wiki article was created, essentially with the current text, in 2011. The text itself suggests it may originally have been written in 2007 as the history only goes as far as 2007 and there is a reference to "this very wet summer".

I haven't been able to find much online which could be added to the article, except the record of the Grade II listing and a mention in another biography of Leonora Carrington.

Where would you go with this one? Severe pruning feels like the best option to me, but I wanted to check I wasn't underplaying the possible copyvio issue. Tacyarg (talk) 01:06, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Tacyarg, I agree that the wording sounds like OR, but it may be a plagiarism of somebody's OR. Your calculations related to dates (2007) are somewhat telling, and it may be hard to query the article's creator, who last edited in 2011. The sourcing is terrible, as there is little evidence that the sources are more than documents grabbed from the 2011 websites of the 4 companies listed. The article is TL, so I DR it, but it appears to be one of those English articles that belongs on its own server, for which some historical society apparently believes it needs a backup on Wikipedia.

I assume plagiarism is the answer, but it's a guess, as there's no clear evidence so far. In such a case, it's easier to hack it down to a manageable and encyclopedic size. If you are able to look at a July 1, 2011 archived version of the websites of those 4 property/architecture firms, you might find evidence of copy/paste, but the rewrite is simpler.--Quisqualis (talk) 03:01, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Oh, PS: the 2019 book by Moorhead was added as a reference in 2019, suggesting to me that the article isn't based on it, and that somebody wanted a book mention in Wikipedia. --Quisqualis (talk) 03:11, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Edit Notice

Hi..I edited my Edit Notice. But it still shows the previous one. Is there any way to refresh it. Eagle Site (talk) 22:15, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Purge or bypass your browser cache. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 22:42, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@Eagle Site: It will look the same - you changed the link it goes to, not the visible text. But if that's not it, then per above, visit [[11]] for Chrome. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:44, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@Eagle Site: Responding here to a request on my talk page. You're being a bit unclear. I'm saying that you changed the code so the person goes to the right place when they click that link on the your page. If you look at the page, it will look the same, but the result of clicking is different. If it's a cache issue, here's how to clear your Safari cache. [[12]]. If you're still having problems, please clearly describe the issue. Saying "it still shows the previous one" is unclear, leaving us to try to guess the answer to the problem. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 03:36, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm going to echo what TimTempleton says. Being vague makes it incredibly difficult at best to actually figure out what's going on, as it could be any one of a number of things. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 04:04, 27 October 2022 (UTC)