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Is the concept of notability required because of limitations to server capacity?

At present, Wikipedia's servers (presumably) do not have the capacity to function as a repository of all past and present human knowledge. As such, the concept of "notability" is required in order to prioritize the use of Wikipedia's storage capacity. The potential exists, however, for Wikipedia to morph, one day, into just such a repository of all information. At that time, would "notability" be needed? Pyraminxsolver (talk) 02:34, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Pyraminxsolver. There is no problem with server capacity, and concerns about server capacity have no impact on content decisions. I suggest that you read WP:Notability#Why we have these requirements for an explanation of how notability interacts with our three core content policies, which are Verifiability, the Neutral point of view and No original research. These interrelated policies and guidelines have enabled us to create the world's greatest encyclopedia, a top ten website that gets billions of pageviews per month, and to offer it to readers worldwide for free. Cullen328 (talk) 02:46, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

No; @Pyraminxsolver: Thanks for thinking about this, but it's a matter of human capacity, not machine capacity. Thousands of Wikipedians use our WP:Watchlist to watch out for vandalism and stupidity. Anyone can edit, right? Unfortunately, the billions of people who have Internet access include people who don't understand, and those having dishonest intent. With only thousands of us to watch millions of articles, it can be difficult to keep up; I've already spent a few hours at it just today. This is not the only reason, but it's an important one. There have been online encyclopedias that had no notability bar, and they soon filled with advertisements, political promotion, and thoughtless rants. So, like other websites, we want to be able to do the thing we do, and for us that's an encyclopedia that is reasonably accurate, neutral, and even somewhat fair. If someone wants to operate a repository of all information, that sounds like a splendid thing for someone else to do but Wikipedia isn't trying to be everything; we have certain goals and let others handle other good things. Jim.henderson (talk) 02:47, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm confused.

So, I just joined, and I want to know everything about Wikipedia. Like I want to know how to edit and all that. I Forgot About Cheese (talk) 04:16, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

@i forgot about cheese: the page help:introduction is a great way to learn how to edit. we also have the wikipedia:task center, a list of things you can do to help out. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 04:21, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I Forgot About Cheese (talk) 04:24, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Why do people vandalize Wikipedia? I Forgot About Cheese (talk) 04:32, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

@i forgot about cheese: see wikipedia:the motivation of a vandal. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 04:36, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

That's interesting, thank you. I Forgot About Cheese (talk) 04:53, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Where does Wikipedia get the money to run Wikipedia? Because if Wikipedia is so big, they must get money from somewhere to run it. I Forgot About Cheese (talk) 05:11, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

@i forgot about cheese: wikipedia, and all the other wikimedia projects, are hosted on the Wikimedia Foundation’s servers. they are funded by donations. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 05:17, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Why did people make Wikipedia? I Forgot About Cheese (talk) 05:25, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

@i forgot about cheese: wikipedia was founded in 2001 by jimmy wales and larry sanger as a complementary project to nupedia. nupedia was an online encyclopedia intended to be written and approved by experts, but progress was slow. in contrast to that, wikipedia was founded so that anyone could edit it, and possibly speed up progress. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 05:35, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

That's also interesting. And what's the difference between Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia wikis? I Forgot About Cheese (talk) 05:40, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Because I really don't see the difference between Wikiquotes and Wikipedia, same with Wikimedia Commons. I Forgot About Cheese (talk) 05:44, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

@i forgot about cheese: wikipedia is the free online encyclopedia, wikiquote is a free online collection of quotes, wikimedia commons is a free online file hosting site. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 05:48, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

What's the @ symbol do at the beginning of your replies? I Forgot About Cheese (talk) 05:50, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Also thanks for telling me that. I Forgot About Cheese (talk) 05:51, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

@i forgot about cheese: the @ symbol does nothing. it is simply a convenience when i use the reply tool. the actual notification is sent when i link to someone’s userpage. see help:notifications. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 05:58, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

How interesting. I Forgot About Cheese (talk) 05:59, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia is such an interesting place; I can't wait to start contributing. I Forgot About Cheese (talk) 06:02, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Blocked from editing (especially from pages I myself created/uploaded)

Almost all of my Wikipedia input has been accomplished via smartphone.

My prior smartphone malfunctioned and has been replaced. As I attempt to edit Wikipedia text using my replacement smartphone, I'm being blocked - especially from pages I myself created.

Yesterday, I attempted doing my Wikipedia editing utilizing a public-library internet computer, but found myself blocked there too.

I have done over 100 Wikipedia edits in the past and now fi

find myself blocked from doing any whats HELP! Paynethymaya (talk)Paynethymaya Almost all of my Wikipedia input has been accomplished via smartphone. Almost all of my Wikipedia input has been accomplished via smartphone. Almost all of my Wikipedia input has been accomplished via smartphone. Paynethymaya (talk) 05:26, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

@paynethymaya: what does it say when you try to edit and find yourself blocked from editing? it could be an autoblock. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 05:38, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Paynethymaya. If you can clarify things a bit, then perhaps it will be easier for someone to help you figure this out. Since you've posted above using the "Paynethymaya" account, that account hasn't been WP:BLOCKed per se from editing Wikipedia. Are you perhaps trying to edit using another account? If you're able to log in to your "Paynethymaya" account, then you should be able to edit articles, unless there are some technical restrictions (e.g. page protection) in place to prevent you from doing so. If you're trying to log in from an IP address that has been blocked, then its quite possible that the IP has been blocked for reasons completely unrelated to you. For example, if you're trying to log in from an open proxy or using a VPN, then there's a good chance that IP address has been globally blocked as a preventive measure against abuse. The same could've happened in the case of a publicly accessible computer (e.g. one at a library) because of a past history of serious abuse from that IP address. In general, though, IP address tend not to be blocked all that much except when absolutely necessary as explained in WP:BLOCK#IP address blocks because such blocks can aeffect a very large number of users. Moreover, I don't think which smart phone your using matters much as long as the IP address your phone is using hasn't been blocked for some reason. Maybe you should try connecting to different networks and see which ones allow you to edit and which ones don't, and then perhaps avoid using the ones that don't. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:15, 8 November 2022 (UTC); [Note: Post edited by Marchjuly to correct the typo referred to below. -- 08:02, 8 November 2022 (UTC)]

@Marchjuly: Possible typo: effect → affect. --CiaPan (talk) 07:12, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

@CiaPan: Yes, it was. Thanks for catching that. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:02, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Notability via a single source

Hi Teahouse. I just came across St. George's School (Vancouver) and noticed the quality of the article was pretty low. It mainly relies on primary sources, so I looked for secondary ones. Outside of a handful that mention the school in passing, the only thing I found was Saints: The Story of St. George's School for Boys. The fact that a book was published about this school tells me it is likely notable. But let's say someone tracks down this book and rewrites the article using information from it rather than the primary sources; that's not good either, right? Generally multiple secondary sources are needed to establish notability. I was considering opening an AfD for this article, but now that I know this book exists I'm not sure how to proceed. WPscatter ^t/_c 07:57, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

The link you post above says that the book was published by Mitchell Press. I searched for that name and quickly arrived at mitchellpress.com. Mitchell Press in 1979 may have been different from Mitchell Press in 2022; but FWIW the latter is described in the website (and particularly near the foot of this page) as a Canadian company that handles printing and related business. If you have material more or less ready for a book and pay Mitchell to print and bind it, Mitchell will print and bind it. And the reason why I looked this up is that back in the days before sleepy little used bookstores mostly went out of business, they'd frequently have piles of (somniferous) school histories from obscure publishers (if not the schools themselves), and presumably compiled by alumni for alumni. A school may be notable, but to me this isn't demonstrated by the mere existence of a book about it. NB this particular book may be quite unusually good, and gratefully read by people who've never been to the school; and the school may be notable too: I haven't investigated. -- Hoary (talk) 08:29, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Hm... with that info, I'll open an AfD and see what other editors have to say about it. Thanks for your help. WPscatter ^t/_c 08:33, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Notability review (for re-submission)

Hi editors, there was a discussion about eligibility of sources for the draft on Draft:Bluebell Group to meet NCORP requirements. After some hesitation from one reviewer, the article was declined in July 2021. Since then, the company has been noted in more articles.

Below are five selected articles that I believe meet NCORP requirements (they are from independent news outlets and analyse the company within the wider industry for at least 2 paragraphs). Could someone kindly advise whether these indeed might qualify, and if I may resubmit the entry at this stage? Thank you for your guidance.

New since last submission

Cambodia: Khmer Times - https://www.khmertimeskh.com/50917137/high-end-labels-coming-to-cambodia/

China: Huxiu - https://www.huxiu.com/article/335703.html (in Chinese)

Previously submitted

Hong Kong: Wall Street Journal - https://www.wsj.com/articles/luxury-slump-slashes-rents-on-hong-kongs-glitzy-shopping-streets-11589284818

Hong Kong: Bloomberg - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-23/fresh-virus-wave-worsens-hong-kong-s-already-disastrous-outlook

China: WWD - https://wwd.com/business-news/mergers-acquisitions/exclusive-bluebell-group-takes-minority-stake-in-translatio-1234586551/ Gregocole (talk) 06:46, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Gregocole, the Khmer Times article is based on a press release, and so not independent, and does not help to establish notability. (I can't advise on the others, as either I don't have access to them or they're in a language I can't read.) Maproom (talk) 09:45, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Kuru Footwear Resolution (Support or Oppose)

Prior discussion on this Draft got archived without a resolution. Please see here. I have taken the recommendation of all involved and revised to reduce anything promotional. I have also removed the medical claims and changed it so that it says which publications have stated the benefit of the shoes. In addition, changed the all CAPS spellings to lowercase. Could we please have just a Support or Oppose vote? Support means the page is OK now to go live. Oppose means, it is not ready and needs more work or should be just declined. @melecie @Hoary @Cullen328 @Tigraan @MrOllie @SMcCandlish @Helloheart Downinit9 (talk) 09:05, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

The draft was rejected and won't be considered again, time to WP:DROPTHESTICK. Theroadislong (talk) 09:07, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

This is not the purpose of the Teahouse. Cullen328 (talk) 16:44, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

@Theroadislong I would really appropriate if you can post some specific reasons as to why? Have you checked the prior discussion? Several people have agreed that it can be improved and it just sounded promotional. No one has yet raised an issue with provided citations. I have now improved the article, so it needs another look. Downinit9 (talk) 19:24, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Many people raised issues with the citations, I was one of them. This article inherently makes medical claims, and the sources do not meet the required WP:MEDRS standard. Attributing the claims does not fix that problem. MrOllie (talk) 19:41, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

The medical claims have been removed and revised. It is now just saying "According to publications..." and what they have stated. There is no medical claim anymore. Plus a shoe that is made for better walking conditions and health is hardly a medical claim. It is not a pill or medication. It has been rated in top 10 of walking shoes or shoes that help certain health conditions on multiple notable publications which also have Wikipedia pages, so they are coming from reliable publications. If what you say was the case, then many other shoe pages on Wikipedia should be removed that make similar shoes. Downinit9 (talk) 20:02, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

That is where you are wrong. Literally EVERY claim that would have a direct impact on human health or the practice of medicine REQUIRES sourcing that meets WP:MEDRS claims. It doesn't matter if the subject is a drug, a medical procedure, equipment, or clothing. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 20:05, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Even if it is the case, there are supporting sources from Wired, Men's Health, Well+Good, Footwear News, the Philippine Daily Inquirer, ABC, Self. all of which are credible publications with Wiki pages. Downinit9 (talk) 20:36, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

I looked at a few of those, but they were short mentions in listicles '18 best shoes for bunions' and so on. They don't meet WP:CORPDEPTH. Trivial mentions of the company aren't enough. - MrOllie (talk) 21:10, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

There are many other articles that are more in depth. These are pretty indepth: WIRED, University of Utah, HEALTHLINE, SUGGEST, inquirer (3 paragraphs), Salt Lake Tribune, theislandnow (6 paragraphs) and Footwear News has 4 articles, 4 articles together combined makes it significant coverage. Downinit9 (talk) 21:38, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

You seem pretty focused on arguing here that the draft is notable, but this is not a venue that can help you with that at all. Discussion here is not going to overrule the AFC reviewers and make your draft into an article. One final piece of feedback: in the future (on whatever topic you write about next, this one is a lost cause), you should take a hard look at your sources and excise all the stuff that is trivial coverage or obviously closely based on a press release. You need to help anyone reviewing your article find your WP:THREE. MrOllie (talk) 21:52, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

To elaborate the point of WP:MEDRS: it’s not just WP:MEDRS, it’s also an interaction with WP:UNDUE.

Magic Stone (tm) cures cancer - clear medical claim, and disallowed per MEDRS unless exceptional sourcing is provided.

Magic Stone (tm) cures cancer, according to X, Y and Z - technically not a medical claim (it is a claim about what X, Y and Z say). However, is it due weight to mention X, Y and Z’s opinion on the matter? I would argue no unless those are sources that one could cite for MEDRS matters. Otherwise, we are just bypassing MEDRS via attribution-laundering. It is pretty obvious that the general reader is more interested of whether the "cure cancer" part is likely to be true than by who claimed it was, and that a barrage of authoritative figures saying it works is the same as a Wikipedia-voice statement to that effect. (The current sentence in the draft is Several publications such as (...) have stated the benefits of the shoes in regards to (...).)

Of course, there are situations where X says (medical claim) is acceptable - either when MEDRS-level sources disagree and we need to present the dispute, or where the claiming itself is the interesting fact (e.g. "faith healer X claimed to cure cancer by voodoo, and was sued for false advertising"). Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 10:16, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Using the auto citation button

I'm currently trying to make an article on the genus Archangelia, yet I can't seem to be getting any result from the auto-citation machine when I try to input this citation into it https://www.researchgate.net/publication/336319358_UPPER_PRECAMBRIAN_AND_CAMBRIAN_PALAEONTOLOGY_OF_THE_EAST-EUROPEAN_PLATFORM_CONTRIBUTION_OF_THE_SOV1ET-POLISH_WORKING_GROUP_ON_THE_PRECAMBR1AN-CAMBR1AN_BOUNDARY_PROBLEM, is there anything wrong that I'm doing? If I turn it into a dead link on the article, I'll be converting it to an actual citation once I get a response telling me what is wrong. Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 19:28, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Where do you have your draft of the article? - UtherSRG (talk) 19:50, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

@Rugoconites Tenuirugosus The citation bots are not infallible and in this case you'll have to create the citation "by hand" using the template {{cite book}}, filling in the standard parameters as listed on the template page. Convert the title to sentence case, not allcaps. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:03, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Paswara Papers

can you check this draft 122.186.25.219 (talk) 10:54, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

For a review, please resubmit it. 331dot (talk) 11:04, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

I don't see any evidence of notability in Draft:Paswara Papers. Most of the sources are directory entries, not independent discussion. Maproom (talk) 11:43, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

major article revision space

Through the talk page, I agreed to work with another editor to major revise the Matthew Bullock entry. In reading about sandboxes, which I planned to use for the re-write, I read on a page I cannot now locate that Sandboxes should not be used for major edits of existing articles due to the possibility of mis direction to that page during searches. What is the correct way to create a collaboration page? Thanks LetsTalkAboutBears (talk) 21:55, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

You should be able to avoid that problem by editing one chunk at a time, which is recommended anyway, to avoid conflicting with other edits in the article space that may occur in the meantime. One of you should be able to collaborate in the other editor's sandbox space. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 23:21, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks LetsTalkAboutBears (talk) 12:02, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Robots operated by Google and the like are asked not to index sandbox pages, so a regular search via Google or similar should not lead anyone to any sandbox page. (Search robots can't be compelled to stay away, but most will stay away.) So you can forget about the particular worry that you express above. If editing "one chunk at a time" (which Pyrrho recommends and which indeed is often a good idea) cramps you -- perhaps because you hope to implement a change that will affect many sections, or you want to rearrange content -- feel free to do so in a sandbox: yours or your collaborator's, but of course not Wikipedia's all-are-welcome sandbox. -- Hoary (talk) 23:51, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you - this plan makes more sense for me. I think this particular article needs quite a bit of reorganization. I'll create my own SB page for it LetsTalkAboutBears (talk) 12:03, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

If you're doing this, whether alone or in collaboration, you might want to put the {{under construction}} template in the article. This does not prevent people reading and even editing it, but it gives notice that something is in progress. ColinFine (talk) 11:19, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Reading the link, it looks like my two options are {{under construction}} and {{in use}} both of which are for short term tagging during a period of major editing. My reading of the pages, suggests in use may be more appropriate while I am actively editing. Does that sound right? Thanks LetsTalkAboutBears (talk) 12:09, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Deleting a submitted article

Hi Teahouse, I mistakenly submitted duplicate articles. How do I delete one of them? The one I want to delete is https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Onward_Medical Lombardes (talk) 15:57, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

• @Lombardes: For future reference, you tag the page for speedy deletion under criterion G7, by putting the template {{db-author}}. (I have done that for you in that case.) An admin will come and delete it soon. Note that this is allowed only if you are the sole significant contributor to the page. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 16:14, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Podcasting as a reliable source.

Here is the question I want to ask all of you:

Are all podcasts a reliable source?

I wanted to ask that because I hardly see people citing podcasts as a source in articles they edit.

And I'm sure that news media organization does podcasting.

So, would you please explain if podcasting is reliable or deprecated source on Wikipedia? -- 204.129.232.195 (talk) 19:57, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

I think that podcasts can be reliable as long they contain factual information. —2600:1010:B12A:AE74:F835:F68:51C5:4C62 (talk) 20:01, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

No, that is incorrect. 331dot (talk) 16:26, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

As a general rule podcasts are considered to be usable under the same circumstances as op-eds or blogs - if its showrunners are subject-matter experts and the podcast is focused on their area of expertise. Otherwise, podcasts generally lack editorial oversight. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 20:02, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

If the podcast is an interview with the subject (which usually is), then it would be considered a primary source and cannot be used. If it is just commentary about the subject, then it can be used, as long as it is from a established and notable podcaster. Downinit9 (talk) 20:09, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

@Jéské Couriano @Downinit9 But, would you elaborate even more? I wanted to go in-depth in podcasts. -- 204.129.232.195 (talk) 20:20, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure what further information you are asking for, IP user. The format of a source is pretty well irrelevant, whether it is text, video, or audio. What matters is who published it. If it was published by an organization with a reputation for editorial control and fact-checking, then it is probably a reliable source. If it was published by the subject of the article, or somebody closely associated with the subject, it is probably reliable, but not indepedent, so can be used only for limited kinds of information. If it was self-published by a recognized authority as Jeske said, it can probably be used. Otherwise, no. ColinFine (talk) 20:37, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Does that mean that I should cite podcasts as a source, if I want to edit articles to add information in each topic like culture, tourism, politics, history, science, comedy, geography, popular music, and health? Or may I might use blogs instead as a source? -- 204.129.232.195 (talk) 21:13, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Blogs are almost never considered reliable, they are user generated content without editorial oversight. Please see WP:RSSELF as blogs and many podcasts will fit in this category. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 21:17, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

One more thing to ask, what are examples of appropriate podcasts to cite from if many of them including those from App Store fit in WP:RSSELF and lack editorial insight? 204.129.232.195 (talk) 21:30, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Something like any of podcasts published by NPR - a news organization with a strong reputation for fact checking and accuracy. Well, except for the comedy shows. MrOllie (talk) 21:33, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Other examples? 204.129.232.195 (talk) 21:35, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

@MrOllie @Mcmatter @ColinFine And why are comedy podcasts aren't reliable anyway? I want to see it. -- 204.129.232.195 (talk) 22:43, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps because comedy doesn't pretend to be a reliable source of information? There may be facts buried within a comedy routine, but much of it will be (and should be) made up, and even things that a speaker claims as fact will not necessarily have been fact-checked. I suppose a comedy podcast could be a source for a claim that a certain person was in a particle podcast, or said a particular thing; but if there is no independent source saying this, does it belong in an article? ColinFine (talk) 11:17, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I think it belongs to an article. But what other example of reliable podcasts besides thse published by NPR? -- 204.129.232.195 (talk) 16:22, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

It's very difficult to give you other specific examples. We've described to you what makes a source reliable and told you the actual format of a source is not greatly relevant to determining its reliability. Is there a particular answer you are looking for? Do you have something in mind, a podcast with a particular piece of information that is nowhere else? 331dot (talk) 16:31, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

No thanks to the particular one, but thank you all for answering my question on "are podcasts reliable." Concluded. -- 204.129.232.195 (talk) 16:36, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Notability issue with Draft article

Hello all, I submitted a draft article for review and it got rejected because of insufficient notable references. I have since added more references. Can you please help check my draft page - Draft:Deepak Reddy ?

Thank you for your time. Please do let me know if anything wrong with sources or if I need to add something?

Cinemaha (talk) 15:23, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

• @Cinemaha: You might be able to make the case that WP:FILMMAKER #3 is satisfied here. That hinges on whether Manasanamaha is a "significant or well-known work" under the meaning of the guideline. (I genuinely do not know the answer.)

A more productive approach would be to find sources about Deepak (not his film). However, you do not need more references; you need good references, that satisfy all three criteria listed at WP:GNG: (1) significant coverage, (2) reliable, (3) independent. For instance, [1] is an interview with the subject, and therefore not independent.

I will also note that being a Guinness record holder does not count much in terms of notability - the company behind it is basically selling titles nowadays. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 16:32, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

@Tigraan Thank you for your honest and quick feedback! Cinemaha (talk) 17:07, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Where would I go to suggest a policy?

Before anyone asks, I was going to suggest a policy that prevent anyone besides admins from making user pages of people who are indef blocked. Where would this be done? The Shamming Man has appeared. Sham me / Where I've shammed 17:15, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

WT:BP, WT:UP, or WP:VPP would seem appropriate. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 17:18, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Could you please help me and let me know what am I doing wrong?

Hello could you explain to me like if I was a young child what am I doing wrong as this is the first article I am writing for Wikipedia?

I wrote the article https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Kima_drink using this one as "template" https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Laranjada

I have tried to add as much information as available (just unfortunately the manufacturer of the drink has Facebook and Instagram presence but not website presence), and I am struggling to find what else do I need to find for it to be accepted or what I am doing wrong. Can you help me please? TheJusticeBear (talk) 14:53, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

You need Wikipedia:RS to get any article accepted. Many topics deserve a wikipage but without RS we can't do much ShaveKongo (talk) 15:00, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

I have read the Wikipedia:RS and honestly I am struggling to find out what can I do... and now I was asked to "please place references directly after the content that they support" anyone can help me with that? TheJusticeBear (talk) 15:48, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

There is help with formatting sources here WP:REFB, please remove the Facebook, Instagram and YouTube sources, they are not reliable or independent so are no help in establishing notability. Theroadislong (talk) 15:51, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the help. But now seems like the page was speedy deleted by a user called Deb. TheJusticeBear (talk) 16:46, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

@TheJusticeBear, I'm sorry you've had a rather rough time of it - often people learn the hard way that writing a decent Wikipedia article is much more difficult than it looks, and our standards have risen over the years, so many articles exist that would probably not be accepted today. Few people want to go around doing cleanup work, unfortunately. If you spend more time reading and making small improvements to existing articles, you'll get a much better idea of how things work and your next attempt at writing an article may go much more smoothly. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:19, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Mayim Bialik humanitarian efforts

I'd like to add more details to Mayim's page about the work and/or partnerships she has done or is doing with many different organizations but for at least one, and I'm pretty sure there were a couple more, all I could find was a quote from her on the organizations site. Is it impossible to add those at all, would I need to just not add a link? I'm new to this and I'm unsure how to best to proceed. Hotpotato75 (talk) 22:16, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Hotpotato75 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is intended to summarize what independent reliable sources say about a topic. To include charitable work of Mayim Bialik in the article about her, there must be independent sources that discuss it- her talking about her own work is insufficient. 331dot (talk) 22:34, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Not to mention that such sections tend to be magnets for laudatory and opinionated editing. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 23:00, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

That's what I thought but I just wanted to be sure. Most people I know seem to care about what charities and humanitarian efforts their favorite celebs are supporting so I would like to add what I can even if that means there is nothing to add at this point for the ones I personally follow. Hotpotato75 (talk) 20:05, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Do you know her in person so that she has given you permission to speak of her on a first-name basis? If so, you should not be editing her article directly; please read WP:COI. If not, you should not be calling her by her first name; please read MOS:SURNAME. - Julietdeltalima (talk) 17:34, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Top 100 most streamed songs on Spotify article

In the article the top most streamed son is "Shape of You" by Ed Sheeran, but Mariah Carey's "All I Want for Christmas (Is You)" has more streams on Spotify (Over 1 Trillion streams) and I was wondering if someone could change the article to reflect the facts. 72.107.156.157 (talk) 17:33, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi. I couldn’t find a page with that title, so I believe that this? If so, it is not currently protected, so feel free to make the changes yourself, as long as you can verify it with a reliable source! :) Blanchey (talk) 17:38, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

All I Want for Christmas Is You does not have 1 trillion streams on Spotify. That's over 300 times more streams than Shape of You, and every person on Earth would have to stream it over 100 times to make up that many. You're misreading the number; it has just over 1 billion streams, and is not in the top 100. WPscatter ^t/_c 18:09, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

source libraries

How does one get or earn access to source libraries? Is there a WikiWay to sign-up when one is an extended-confirmed user? Elevedevie (talk) 03:35, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

@elevedevie: is this about the wikipedia library? if so, the requirements for access are at least 500 edits and at least 6 months tenure, which you have met. or is this about something else? lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 04:15, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your tip. I followed the link trail and bookmarked it for future use. Wiley Online was what I was looking for and it is one of the available sites.Elevedevie (talk) 23:26, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

I mucked up an AFD - I don't want to cause chaos - can someone help me (or simply) complete the request

I seem to have mucked up proposing an article for deletion: Sanand Mitra. I would appreciate it if someone could help me follow though to completion so I don't create a mess or cause additional work. The reason would suggest the article be deleted is;

-The text of the article was originally from a user created marketing website

-The focus of the text was to market companies which may or may not exist

-I question the notability of the subject and his impact and reach 

-The chronology and career seems to be self authored, I don't think it would be relevant to anyone but the subject Flibbertigibbets (talk) 23:21, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

On it ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 23:23, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Again.. I am very thankful! I think I will study the process a bit more; and perhaps find a youtube video. Flibbertigibbets (talk) 23:27, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done. You may be interested in Wikipedia:Twinkle, which makes this significantly easier. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 23:29, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Amount of contributions

How do I find how many edits I have made to this Wikipedia? SikiWtideI (Speak to the backwards police) 23:34, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

here. ██ Dentsinhere43 is a new Wikipedian. 23:37, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

A breakdown across all attached Wikimedia projects is here. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 23:45, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! SikiWtideI (Speak to the backwards police) 23:56, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Alice Cooper

I read the biography on the band and artist Alice Cooper. I was wondering why no credit was given to one of the co-founders and musicians, Michael Bruce. 71.83.26.193 (talk) 02:05, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Michael Bruce (musician) is mentioned in the very first sentence of Alice Cooper (band). He is mentioned in the fourth sentence of the biography of Alice Cooper, the band leader. He has his own Wikipedia biography. So, I am not sure what you mean by "no credit". Cullen328 (talk) 02:21, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

New Author wanting Wiki Page

Hello, I recently published a book with Sterling Ethos and it's becoming a best seller. I'd like to create an author page because I will be creating other published works through them. I don't want to write it if I don't have to because I believe someone else's voice could be better suited. Thanks for any help! Maganolla (talk) 01:55, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Congratulations on writing what is becoming a best seller, Maganolla. When it becomes a best seller, it's likely that somebody will create an article, of their own volition. There's no need to attempt to speed up this process. (Indeed, any attempt to speed it up is very likely to backfire.) But what do you mean by "creating other published works through them"? -- Hoary (talk) 02:52, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi! Thank you SO much for answering this! When I say "creating new works" I simply mean I intend to write more books with the publishers. I appreciate your advice! I'll resist the urge - def don't want it to backfire. Maganolla (talk) 03:13, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not recommend attempting autobiography (see WP:AUTO, and it has "articles," not "author pages." If in time you become well known and written about, someone else may draft and submit an article about you. There is a process for requesting an article be written about a topic, but that rarely works. There is also a possibility that your book becomes article-worthy, while not you (this actually happens sometimes). Basic advice - keep writing. David notMD (talk) 04:56, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Talk page reset

How do i reset/clear talk page? Is there any way? Frryan404 (talk) 03:33, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@Frryan404: you can archive talk pages, yes. see help:archiving a talk page for how. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 03:49, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

With certain exceptions, you can delete content from your own Talk page. The assumption is that you have read the content and see no reason to keep it. Deleted content would not be visible on your Talk page, but any editor can find deleted content by clicking on View history. David notMD (talk) 05:00, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

help on request

I was scrolling on the wikipedia requested articles, when I saw one subject I was interested in. So I started editing the articles but it didn't let me save it as a draft. If I'm correct the article I was editing is visible by everyone and already published.

How can I make it a draft so it can be peer reviewed once I'm done editing it ? Vincent-vst (talk) 20:26, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

If this is about New System of Musical Theory, then you have indeed published it. Presumably you clicked a red link, which takes you straight to creating the article. If you wanted to create a draft instead, you could have typed "Draft:New System of Musical Theory" in the search box, and clicked the link in The page Draft:New System of Musical Theory does not exist. There also exists an article wizard which lets you create a draft and submit it for review. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 21:03, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

thank you @Maddy from Celeste Vincent-vst (talk) 05:42, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Is it a good habit to ping people when replying to them on talk pages?

Users don't get a notification when someone replies to their comment unless the edits meets the special criteria. Unless they check the talk page again they won't know that someone replied. Should pinging be used more liberally? Frogging101 (talk) 20:42, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

@Frogging101 You don’t have to, but pings are very useful for many users, I personally always ping users when responding to them, although some editors will check to see if someone has responded sometimes, so if not it doesn’t matter. Blanchey (talk) 20:49, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Frogging101, welcome to the Teahouse. There's actually a new feature being implemented on Wikipedia which allows account holders to subscribe to a thread; they'll be automatically notified of any replies. See more here if you're curious about it. (Note that IP users don't get pings and can't subscribe to discussions.) 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:50, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

@Frogging101: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1170. With the Discussion Tools feature (which I think might only be available on the Vector 2022 skin), any discussion you're subscribed to will trigger a notification when someone adds a comment to it. Pings are still useful if you want to get someone's attention, and it will appear as an alert instead. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:42, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

SpeedyDeletion Requests

Hello, I am seeking some help on correctly submitting speedy deletion requests on a protected page that's self-promoting and link stuffing . Would anyone be willing to help me circumnavigate the bureaucracies of WikiPedia to successfully embed the proper short-code? DiamondPuma (talk) 21:58, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @DiamondPuma, welcome to the Teahouse. I see there is discussion ongoing at Liz's talk page, and there does not seem to be consensus that this article meets any speedy deletion criteria. Please discuss issues with the article on its talk page. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:01, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Disclose.tv, for the curious - 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:03, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

"Self-promoting" is a very odd way to describe Disclose.tv.   Maproom (talk) 07:59, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

change user name

how can I change my user name,can you tell me? I have serched many places but find no where to change it,so I came here for help. 每天都想睡觉的口天吴 (talk) 07:43, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @每天都想睡觉的口天吴 welcome to the teahouse, does Wikipedia:Change username help? Justiyaya 07:46, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

ok, I got it. Thanks for your kind help. 每天都想睡觉的口天吴 (talk) 08:53, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Translating English articles into Spanish

Does anyone know how to publish pages in Spanish or does anyone know of a good Spanish Wikipedia editor? We have translated Shelley Jackson's page into Spanish, and we would like to publish it in the Spanish Wikipedia. Can anyone help us to do this? We are new editors. Blancaherr (talk) 01:55, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

You'll find advice at WP:TRANSLATEUS. - David Biddulph (talk) 02:04, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Blancaherr. An important thing to remember when trying to do something like this is that each Wikipedia project has its own separate policies and guidelines as determined by the members of that project's respective community. Since English Wikipedia is the largest of the various language Wikipedia projects, many other projects have adopted or modified English Wikipedia's policies and guidelines; however, there still might be some big and important differences. Most of the Wikipedias seem to highly discourage WP:MACHINETRANSLATIONs and there may also be differences in how articles (including citations) are expected to be formatted and otherwise written. The only way to know for sure what differences exist between Spanish and English Wikipedia would be to ask at Spanish Wikipedia. If your Spanish is pretty good, you should be able to do so without too much difficulty; however, you shouldn't automatically expect the users of Spanish Wikipedia to be able to help you in English. Some might be able to, but you should assume you're going to nned to somewhat understand Spanish if you're planning on creating or editing content on Spanish Wikipedia. The Spanish Wikipedia equivalent to the Teahouse appears to be es:Wikipedia:Café and that might be a good place to start. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:22, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi! I'm actually a native Spanish speaker, but we were looking for help here, because we didn't really know anyone in the Wiki Spanish Community that could help us format and edit the article we translated. Anyways, we tried to ask for help in the Wikipedia:Cafe, but we didn't find much info. We will search further, though! Thank you. Blancaherr (talk) 04:16, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@Blancaherr, you can try asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spain. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:03, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

write an article unbiasedly

how to write an article about a company or an industrial product without being biased or sounding like an advertisement? It is really a hard thing. I tried may times but all sounds like ads. so I wonder if there are some special requirements that need to be adhered. If so, what kind of words or phrases should I avoid to use. thanks for your grateful help. 每天都想睡觉的口天吴 (talk) 07:48, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi 每天都想睡觉的口天吴. Are you somehow connected to the company (or industrial product) you're trying to create an article about? In general, creating a Wikipedia article from scratch is a pretty hard thing for anyone, let alone a new user such as yourself, to do since there's lots of Wikipedia policies and guidelines related to how articles are expected to be written. However, creating an article can be especially hard when you're somehow connected to the subject you're trying to write about since it can be hard to neutrally write about such subject no matter how hard you might try. There's really no trick or secret skill to creating articles other than perhaps gaining a greater familiarity with how Wikipedia articles are expected to be written, and the only way to do that is to gain more experience at Wikipedia editing. So, instead of trying to create an article right now, maybe it would be better for you to try an improve some of the more than six million articles that have already been created per WP:CONTRIBUTE. Many articles are in need of improvement and one way to learn about how articles are expected to be written is to try and fix and improve existing articles. This gives you a chance to see how other more experienced editors apply Wikipedia's various policies and guidelines as well as what types of things are generally considered OK. You can, for what it's worth, always continue working on your draft while you're gaining more experience at editing Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:08, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

really fantastic advice,and that's exactly what i'm trying to do right now! In fact this company and some products are not connected to me for i just try to creat an article and I select the materials from the company's official webpage, cutting some adjectivs that are obviously biased such as top 3, ideal and so on. And now as you suggested, I shall try improve some articles first and later try to creat a brand-new article or item. Thanks again for your gracious advice and help. By the way, can you tell me where I can make improvements about other items? I got lost here. so many informations. 每天都想睡觉的口天吴 (talk) 08:26, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@每天都想睡觉的口天吴 Hello! Many newbies would start an article like that, but it's the wrong way for a WP article. Your job as an editor (on any topic), is to summarize WP:RS independent of the company, and if there are none/too few, write about something else. WP:GNG is your first hurdle. If you conclude "Yeah, I have those sources, no problem!", move on to WP:YFA.

On where can I make improvements, try checking "Help out" at Wikipedia:Community portal. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:58, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

hahahaha, it does be so. SO next I will try from small things and after accumulating numerous skills and knowledges, I can write an article without being deleted. Again, thanks for your help and advice. So nice of you! 每天都想睡觉的口天吴 (talk) 09:04, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Infobox positioning

Hello again all, I would just like to check if the infobox is positioned correctly on my draft of Draft:Volca Modular. It's looking a bit weird mobile view. That's all, thanks Schminnte (talk) 08:27, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

The positioning looks good on my device. Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 08:32, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Infoboxes should always be on the second line of an article, after the short description. As long as it's there it should be fine! FishandChipper 🐟🍟 09:41, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

REferences

Hello. What if a subject / product/company /key person has no references in the media but in a way should be on wikipedia for the information. what to do in this case?

It can be about an insurance company for example. not cited in the media but it exists on the market in a specific country. can you help with this?

Thank you IngridSfeir (talk) 11:17, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

IngridSfeir Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is not for merely documenting the existence of a topic, like a company. A Wikipedia article summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the topic, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of notability(like a notable company). If a topic is not discussed in independent reliable sources, it cannot be on Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 11:21, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Review request for Draft:Hossein Maher

@User:Robert McClenon @User:echidnaLives Hi I solved some problems with this article: Draft:Hossein Maher - Wikipedia. Please do me a favor and review it. thanks Kabootaremesi (talk) 10:18, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@Kabootaremesi Hi, and welcome! I see that you have submitted your draft, so please wait patiently whilst it is reviewed. Eventually, a reviewer will either accept your submission and move it to article space, or will ask you to improve it. Hope this helps :) Blanchey (talk) 11:10, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Update: I see it’s already been reviewed, and was declined. Please follow the instructions that the declining reviewer left. Thanks! Blanchey (talk) 11:11, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@Blanchey Yes, the article has been reviewed in the morning and I added new sources at noon, as reviewer asked. now I'm waiting for re-review and I thought putting it here in sight, may be helpful for a faster check. Kabootaremesi (talk) 11:35, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@Kabootaremesi Oh I see, well, best of luck! :-) Blanchey (talk) 12:33, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Image use

I am editing a Wiki article on nuclear emulsion that would be greatly improved by adding an image of one of the principal creators of that scientific device: namely Marietta Blau. She is the subject of a Wiki article that contains exactly the image I wish to use. The image is 'available' in Wiki Commons as File:Marietta Blau.jpg, but the file has been created with the restriction that 'It is only being used to illustrate the article in question', thus rendering it unavailable to any other Wiki article. The most obvious way to fix this would be for me to directly edit the File:Marietta Blau.jpg spec, to add my Wiki article to the list of allowed articles, and to adjust the wording accordingly. I attempted to contact the file's creator but got no response. How should I proceed? I should add that I did attempt to add the file unmodified to my article only to discover, as I expected, that it was quickly removed by a vigilant Wiki-bot. Reculet (talk) 11:26, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Reculet, and welcome to the Teahouse. First, note that the file File:Marietta Blau.jpg is not on Commons, but has been uploaded directly to English Wikipedia. This is because Commons accepts only free content, which the image is not.

The policy governing the use of non-free images in English Wikipedia is the Non-free content criteria. It is perfectly possible to use a non-free image in more than one article, but each use requires a separate justification according to those criteria. It does not seem to me that using it in nuclear emulsion would meet criterion 8: Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding, but if you disagree, you may make a case (perhaps on Talk:Nuclear emulsion. Unless you can achieve consensus that that use of the image would meet all the criteria, then I'm afraid there is no way of using the image in that article.

There is a picture of her on Commons (at C:File:Marietta Blau Picture.jpg), but I'm about to challenge that, because I think it has been cropped from the picture in en-wiki, and illegally uploaded as "own work". ColinFine (talk) 12:30, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

And I ec:d with you on Commons. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:39, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@Reculet The version on Commons [2] is very unlikely to be "own work" and will probably be deleted. My understanding of WP:NFCI is that the image should only be used in the article about her. I wonder though, if it's actually old enough to be public domain, in which case we can put it on Commons and use however we like. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:38, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Draft Submission

Hello, how do I fast-track the review process for a draft I submitted? https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:SeamlessHR Flack.inspired (talk) 15:31, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

The draft was declined on October 4th. The next day, you resubmitted it without changing much. If you simply resubmitted it without fixing any of the issues, why should another reviewer spend time on it?

That being said, I somewhat disagree with the message left by the reviewer Greenman. Don’t get me wrong, the draft is promotional and the decline was correct. However, promotional tone can usually be fixed.

A more pressing issue is that the company may not be "notable" (in Wikipedia’s sense of the term). If so, no amount of work on the draft will help. It would be useless to polish the draft to eliminate promotional tone, only to have the draft declined for lack of notability, which cannot be fixed inside Wikipedia.

Go find the three best sources you can that show the company is notable (in the special meaning linked above) and list them here, we will tell you if it’s plausible that the company is notable. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 16:06, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Moreover, SeamlessHR, you will need to change your username. See Wikipedia:Username_policy#Sharing_accounts: "SeamlessHR" is forbidden, "John Doe from SeamlessHR" is fine. Go to Wikipedia:Changing username/Simple to do that. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 16:09, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

@Tigraan, there is no user named SeamlessHR. The OP is named Flack.inspired. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:21, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Huh... thanks for that, no idea how I got that wrong. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 16:28, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Pinging Flack.inspired so that they can see my answer (or the part of it that’s not erroneous, at least). Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 16:28, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your honest and timely feedback. I'll go ahead and list the best three sources I found about the company;

https://disrupt-africa.com/2020/11/17/could-the-hr-tech-space-provide-africa-with-its-next-unicorn/

https://techcrunch.com/2022/01/12/nigerias-seamlesshr-raises-10m-to-expand-hr-and-payroll-solutions-across-africa/

https://techcabal.com/2022/02/25/payroll-fintech-takes-off-in-africa/#:~:text=In%20January%2C%20SeamlessHR,systems%20including%20payroll. Flack.inspired (talk) 07:53, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for listing those sources, Flack.inspired.

[3] is an interview. It may not be formatted as a series of questions and answers, but a large amount of the text is direct quotes, and much of the rest is clearly information that the company provided itself. As such, it is not an independent source. [4] suffers from exactly the same problems.

[5] is a better source overall. It is clear that the author of that article did more research than one interview. Unfortunately, the amount of article that is devoted to SeamlessHR is very low - it verifies that the company exists and raised a series A round, but that’s it. Therefore, it fails due to lack of significant coverage.

Other editors may chime in, but I believe that the company is not notable yet, and you should not write an article about it. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 12:46, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Flack Inspired, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm wondering, why should you be able to fast-track the review process. What is it about your draft that might justify putting it ahead of the other 2700 drafts waiting? ColinFine (talk) 18:30, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, @ColinFine, thank you for welcoming me. I'm trying to get a hang of Wikipedia so I'm trying to figure out how long these processes take. Flack.inspired (talk) 08:53, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm afraid there's no way to tell. Drafts that are obviously not acceptable are easy, so they tend to get declined or rejected quickly. Drafts whose references are obviously of high quality (not too many references, to well-known reliable sources, and with titles that suggest they may be independent, rather than interviews or press releases) may get picked up relatively quickly. But drafts with a large number of sources of very mixed quality, and drafts whose sources are not in English, may take longer, until a reviewer is motivated to pick them up and spend the time on them. But it really depends on the choices of the reviewers. ColinFine (talk) 11:06, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Notability of event

I was looking for events to write about and found the West Palm Beach Wendy's shooting. It was deleted in 2008 for lack of long-standing notability, but I found two sources from 2017 and 2018 that discuss the attack in detail. Surely this meets WP:NEVENT? MelatoninEmbryo (talk) 02:44, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Well, MelatoninEmbryo, what are these two sources? -- Hoary (talk) 02:54, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

First source and second source. MelatoninEmbryo (talk) 03:03, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@MelatoninEmbryo: You can probably ask for a WP:REFUND of the deleted article to draft space, modify it as needed to reflect more recent coverage, and submit it at WP:AFC. The second source is IMO a strong argument to accept such an article, per WP:PERSISTENCE.

In any case, do not bring the case to WP:DRV (the "appeal" place for AfDs) - the AfD was probably decided correctly based on the sources available at the time, but it does not preclude recreation with newer sources. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 12:57, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Unsigned post

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Francesco Carbonara testimone di Geova (talk • contribs) 12:16, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@Francesco Carbonara testimone di Geova Hello, and welcome. Do you need any assistance from us at all? Blanchey (talk) 12:34, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

The OP has been blocked. 97.113.27.216 (talk) 13:48, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Manual of Style question regarding a brand

For the company IMEC (Interuniversity Microelectronics Centre), it should be capitalised like that, correct?

According to their about page, it's officially 'imec'.

MOS:CAMELCASE indicates "use: Time, Kiss, Asus, Sony Mobile. (Capitalize GEICO, IBM, as acronyms/initialisms.) avoid: TIME, KISS, ASUS, SONY Mobile", so it would fit in the acronyms category, right? Not like adidas being written as Adidas (which in that case it would be written as 'Imec')?

Asking this as I've been seeing a lot of confusion on how it should be capitalised, on the article about it as well as articles that mention it. AP 499D25 (talk) 14:32, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Actually they call themselves "Imec" twice in their about. Anyway it's an acronym, their branding strategies do no matter, it should be capitalised. talk --Pierpao (talk) 15:23, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello I am a newbie here

I am a new person here. I am here to write about our country. Is there anyone here from Burma? Moemaurris (talk) 15:49, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Moemaurris, welcome to the Teahouse. The best place to find people interested in Burma/Myanmar (and perhaps from there) is WikiProject Myanmar. Their members list is here. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:57, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

how do you use the visual editor for making user boxes?

im having trouble making userboxes,any help? ItsMeKeys (talk) 16:39, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

You can use the {{Userbox}} template to easily make userboxes. The documentation of that template shows what the different parameters are used for. In the visual editor you can insert the template by clicking on "insert" and then "template". In the resulting pop-up, you can select the different parameters you want to use through the menu to the left. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 16:51, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Reliable Sources Notice Board

Sorry if this is a silly question, but how do I get responses to my post on WP:RSN? The page has been edited more than 50 times since I put my RFC up, but no one has replied to mine yet...  Not A  Witty Fish 15:12, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @NotAWittyFish, welcome to the Teahouse. You could try posting a neutrally-worded (see WP:CANVASS) notice on the talk pages of any relevant WikiProjects. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:42, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

I would cut half the words in your post on RSN. It's juuuust long enough to make a user move on and find something else. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 17:39, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Lilian Steichen Sandburg biography

How does one begin a biography of Carl Sandburg's wife Lilian? Is there a format recommended and a specific layout, led, conclusion etc.?

Eric Davidson <redacted> 47.135.163.107 (talk) 20:14, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello IP editor, welcome to the Teahouse. First of all, please don't post your personal contact information here on Wikipedia; I've removed that bit. Help:Your first article is a good place to start learning how to create an article. Keep in mind that writing an article is much more difficult than it may look, especially for an inexperienced editor. Spending a few weeks - or even months - gaining experience by making small edits to existing articles would help you find your footing here and familiarize you with our processes. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:33, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

You may also be interested to know that an article about her was created in 2020, but it had grossly inadequate sourcing and as such was converted into a redirect to the article on Carl Sandburg.

Once you've got enough sources, you can actually convert that redirect back into an article. DS (talk) 18:42, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Featured article

Hi! As a long term project, I want to take the Eschede train disaster there. But to make the right start, I want to choose the best sources from the beginning. I could not find what exactly a "high quality RS" is. I assume it would be books or academic articles, but are there any requirements for a publisher? I have added some books I could find to the "further reading section". Thanks in advance. PhotographyEdits (talk) 11:51, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, PhotographyEdits. You should read Verifiability and Reliable sources, both of which discuss this matter. When evaluating a source, you need to look into the reputation and credibility of the book or article, as well as the author, the publication and the publisher. The reputation of the publisher is definitely important. For example, books published by university presses or publishing houses specializing in academic literature are often preferable to books by general interest publishers that may be prone to sensationalism or promotion of fringe theories. Currently, I see that the most used reference is a segment of the US TV show Seconds from Disaster, which may have the benefit of being accessible for English language speakers. I very much doubt that is among the best sources for a featured article on this train wreck. You will need to familiarize yourself with the range of literature and rely on the best books and journal articles, which are likely to be in German. Cullen328 (talk) 18:48, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

You should read reviews of any books you are considering using, to see what other experts think of the book. Cullen328 (talk) 18:50, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328 Yes, I don't think the Seconds from Disaster is a good source either, so I want to remove that one. And the books that I could find were indeed in German, which I already added to the further reading section. But my question still is: how do I evaluate those books. Is an academic publisher like Springer always good enough for WP:FA? Some German publishers are relatively unknown and have no online information about their reliability. Can they be trusted? Not all books have reviws. PhotographyEdits (talk) 08:43, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

PhotographyEdits, I would not say that a book published by Springer is always the best source, but it is an indication of reliability. If the publisher is lesser known, then you need to examine the qualifications of the author. If little is known about the author or the publisher and the book is has not been reviewed, then that particular book is probably not one that you want to rely on. Over 100 people died after all, and I can only assume that the German press had an ongoing interest. Cullen328 (talk) 17:14, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328 Thanks for your advice. I will try my best to evaluate the sources. PhotographyEdits (talk) 19:05, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

"Template:Listen" not working properly

I'm attempting to place relevant music files on the article Piano Sonata No. 9 (Mozart), however only one of the files shows up. I copied the code directly from the article Piano Sonata No. 8 (Mozart), where it shows all the files perfectly. Checking the "Template:Listen" page, none of the formatting seems wrong, so I'm not sure how to fix this.

Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. - Toast for Teddy (talk) 19:19, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Nevermind, I realized my formatting error and have fixed it. - Toast for Teddy (talk) 19:27, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

adding url references to an article

I am working on an article https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Shiloh_Baptist_Church_(Alexandria,_Virginia), having problems with the references. The reference [1] refers to a URL link, and goes down to Citations as expected. When clicked on, the citation does not link to the actual reference in the references section. The reference [2] with an author name works as expected. What am I doing wrong in the reference formatting? thanks Smithriedel (talk) 18:35, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Shiloh Baptist Church (Alexandria, Virginia) uses Harvard referencing. A Teahouse host familiar with that is needed here. Maproom (talk) 18:43, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Fixed ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 19:10, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

thanks, got it. Smithriedel (talk) 19:59, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

How to edit.

An article contains a sentence that is out of date. I'd like to delete it and replace it with current and correct wording. I have valid source information to substantiate the change. Can someone give me a step-by-step instruction? I've tried and do not understand the guidance provided on the site. TY Sambud (talk) 19:57, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@Sambud, Have you tried Help:Introduction? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:19, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure under which reference/index name I inquired, but it was confusing citing <ref something followed by ref> or some such instruction that I didn't understand. I will try your suggestion. Many thx Sambud (talk) 20:25, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

I have just finished editing a new article - what do I need to do so that it goes to the queue ?

I have just finished editing a new article - what do I need to do so that it goes to the queue so that it exits draft mode? I read that it needs approximately 90 days, but do I need to be proactive to find an editor? ATM622 (talk) 20:27, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

You can place {{subst:submit}} at the top of the draft to submit it for review. Actually I've just placed a template on the draft, which includes a button to submit. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 20:30, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Much appreciated. I managed thanks to your help - really professional. Thanks. I put a lot of effort in this but glad to have it submitted. ATM622 (talk) 20:45, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@ATM622: Someone left comments in Draft:Jack Mizzi. Please make the suggested improvements while you wait for a reviewer. I would decline it as it stands now. The style of prose suggests that you may have a conflict of interest as well; if you have any sort of association with the Jack Mizzi, you are required to disclose it. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:10, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

The external links point to the actual tournament links. I was afraid to bloat the References section with it. Without them there is no credibility to the tournament results. Do you suggest I change the links to references and not worry about a "neat" reference list? ATM622 (talk) 21:14, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@ATM622: If they don't have their own standalone articles, they need not be linked at all. If the tournaments are not notable, they don't need to be referenced. (And if the tournaments don't already have their own Wikipedia articles, that might signify non-notability, or it might just mean nobody has written an article about them.) But yes, if you feel they are needed, you can convert them to references. These references can be used to verify statements, but if they are not significant coverage and not notable tournaments, they will not confer notability on Mizzi the way Wikipedia defines it. WP:Golden rule, and all. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:19, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

I will convert to references because there is no way that they can be verified otherwise. Also these are primary and official sources of data and are useful to the avid chess reader, because through them one can find the detail about the opponents, and sometimes there are links to the games themselves, enriching the biography. ATM622 (talk) 21:31, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Where to ask for second opinion on notability on person

Hello! I'm not exactly sure where to ask this, but I'm wanting to create an article on someone named "Tom BetGeorge" (no I"m not at all associated with him or paid by him) who I discovered through Youtube. A quick search using WP:RSSE returns a bunch of sources mentioning him (and even some articles specifically about him), however I"m not entirely sure if he's notable since I'm a bit unfamiliar with how notability is determined for a BLP. Is there a specific place where I can ask for someone to give me their opinion on his notability? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:20, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf I suppose you could always start a draft, and do all you can to prepare it for mainspace, and when you submit it for review, the reviewers can tell you what they think? Anything can be on Wikipedia, as long as it’s notable Blanchey (talk) 19:23, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Blaze Wolf. If you want to post your three best references here, it's likely that somebody would be wiling to look at them (maybe I'll look myself). Note that "mentions" are not likely to contribute to notability. ColinFine (talk) 21:49, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

TP vandalism counter?

I've seen some users that have a "Talk Page vandalism counter", I am getting to where I may need one of those soon. Haha. I revert a lot of vandalism, which understandably angers many a vandal. I'd like to see about adding one of those counters to my user or talk page, is there a pre-baked, pre-built one? Or is that just manual? TY. — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 19:19, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@Moops: It's actually a userbox I'm fairly sure. Gimme a sec to go find it. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:28, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf: User:UBX/vandalized? – dudhhr ^talk _contribs (he/they) 19:30, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

edit conflict and it turned out to be the wrong userbox. fun! – dudhhr ^talk _contribs (he/they) 19:31, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

lol, I knew where to find it, I just needed to get there. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:32, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Here it is: User:UBX/user talk vandalized. You just add "|#" to it to add the number. The "#" is replaced with the amount of times your user talk page has been vandalized. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:30, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

TY — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 22:06, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Why would there be nonsense on the redirect Masturbate?

Okay so the page Masturbate has the word frog by IP address 84.70.113.34 witch was in july. Will you remove the word frog? 174.27.66.83 (talk) 03:08, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Done. DuncanHill (talk) 03:11, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Have I become a auto confirmed user now?

I am a newbie here. I have 2 questions.

1. I made a few edits but I don't know if I have become an auto confirmed user or not.

2. I created an article about an orphanage in our town. I got rejected. Please let me know why?

Here is the link https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Mingalar_Parahita Moemaurris (talk) 02:16, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Moemaurris. You are too inexperienced to be writing articles without a good understanding of how Wikipedia works. The usual advice is to find established articles to work on with small edits.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 02:48, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

First, your draft was Declined, not Rejected. The latter means that the reviewer saw no potential. You have worked on improving the draft. While general advice is gain experience before attempting a new article, the latter is not forbidden. Auto-confirmed (>4 days, >10 edits) does give permission to skip AfD AfC and create an article in mainspace, but that path is recommended only for experienced editors. David notMD (talk) 04:25, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@Moemaurris: If you try to move a draft into, or create an article directly in, mainspace then you are accepting whatever consequences arise from that - be it as minor as the page getting kicked to draft or as major as the article dying to a deletion debate. Being autoconfirmed does not magically make you capable of writing articles to Wikipedia's standards; in fact doing so is the most difficult thing you can do on Wikipedia bar none. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 04:50, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

About deletion

How to Nominate Redirect Page for speedy deletion Jisshu (talk) 03:46, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@jisshu: make sure it strictly meets one of the criteria for speedy deletion, and then add the appropriate speedy deletion template based on which speedy deletion criterion it meets. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 03:58, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@Jisshu: If your question is how to edit the redirect page to add a template then see Help:Redirect#Creating and editing redirects. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:08, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Cleaning up or archiving on talk pages

Hello, is it okay to simply delete talk page sections which were written 10 years ago, or should I archive them? If it is to archive, how do I do this? Asperthrow (talk) 06:14, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Your earliest contributions were made just one week ago, so you can't be talking about your own user talk page. Elsewhere, no, you may not delete talk page sections. Why not just leave them be? It's normally better that a person gets plenty of experience improving Wikipedia articles before attempting to improve Wikipedia's workings -- but if there's some particular talk page that is unusually problematic, do please point to it. -- Hoary (talk) 06:35, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@Asperthrow, see Help:Archiving (plain and simple). The automatic archiving will still leave a few threads unarchived, no matter the age, but if there's a long list of old threads it's reasonable to archive article talkpages. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:09, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Anyone will ce, clean-up these articles?

Hi, some random editor is removing entire sections of the articles without disscusing on talk page. I tried to talk him, but by his editing hist, its looks like he just undo peoples edits by Twinkle. The editor name is User: MrOllie The article I want your clean-up, ce are - Surrogate advertising, Fantacy sport, Professional wrestling in India and Sport in IndiaRock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 11:59, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@Rock Stone Gold Castle Hello, I haven’t actually had a look, but I would suggest starting a discussion with them, there could be good reasoning for removing the content in question, but if not, you could always seek help from an administrator? Removing content without consensus or good reason is not ideal, but then again, I don’t know the specifics. Blanchey (talk) 12:38, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Mr. Ollie left an explanation for deletion at Talk:Fantasy sport. You and Mr. O are on the verge of edit warring on Surrogate advertising. Mr. O has no edits on the other two. Proper places to dispute are the Talk pages of the articles in question. David notMD (talk) 13:01, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@David notMD:, Hi, I already asked him to discuss on TPs but he just undo whatever he sees. I saw his hist, he don't add anything or do ce but just revert. I told him tell me whatever improvements you want in my edits but, if i reduced para size will satisfy you but he says don't add anything, no need to write. If you discourage others like this who will be wp grow? Will anyone tell him to be tolerant?Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 07:42, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Expansion

I would like to expand pages as wikipedia practice, but there are no guides i could find. Could someone link to a guide to help me expand stub articles? _{56independent/notacoworcat}^Talk 19:08, 8 November 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 56independent (talk • contribs)

Hello 56independent. I don't know of any link regarding expanding stub articles, but when I do so I follow the same rules as when creating a new article, as outlined in Help:Your first article. New information has to come from reliable sources, and be presented in a neutral style. Help:Referencing for beginners and Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources may be of help when collecting good reference sources needed for the expansion. I also find it helpful to read numerous good Wikipedia articles about similar topics, to get a better idea of what is generally included in such articles. I hope this is of help to you. Karenthewriter (talk) 17:31, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Ah, thanks! _{56independent/notacoworcat}^Talk 07:47, 10 November 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 56independent (talk • contribs)

Warren Beatty, Shirley MacLaine and A. A. MacLeod

Both the articles Warren Beatty and Shirley MacLaine mention their uncle A. A. MacLeod but while the Beatty article has "Canadian politician" the MacLaine article has "a Communist member of the Ontario legislature in the 1940s". I'm wondering if the details should be added to the former or deleted from the latter. While neither article mentions MacLeod again his includes "Both Beatty and MacLaine have referred to the MacLeods as a major influence on their own liberal political philosophy. One of Beatty's biographers has commented that his aunt and uncle were "the private inspiration" behind his portrait of Louise Bryant and John Reed in his 1981 film Reds." so perhaps both should.

Incidentally, the MacLaine article refers to MacLeod as "her mother's brother-in-law" while the Beatty article has "uncle by marriage". MacLeod's article describes his wife as the sister of their mother. Mcljlm (talk) 18:54, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

@Mcljlm I think that this is a case where the wikilinks really help. Anyone reading the articles can navigate to the MacLeod article or just hover-over the link to get the first sentence of his article, which gives the full information. If you are convinced something needs to be changed, you can just be WP:BOLD and do it, or use the Talk Page of the respective articles to discuss your suggestion. There will be lots of watchers for these high-traffic articles. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:16, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm convinced something needs changing but not sure which or whether to add to both, which is why I posted here. Mcljlm (talk) 00:33, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

I don't believe that the two actors' articles referring to the same aspects of their lives is problematic. A member of a legislature in Ontario is indisputably a Canadian politician, as Ontario is in Canada and a legislature is the forum in which politicians enact legislation. Both are true. The brother-in-law of one's mother is an uncle, the relationship to which is established through the mother's own marriage, and is therefore an uncle, but not of direct blood, rather "by marriage". Both are equivalent to each other. Likewise if your mother's sister (it must be a sister) marries a man, that man is your uncle by marriage (the sister remains a full blood aunt) as well as being your mother's own brother-in-law and, conversely, your the brother-in-law himself has a wife, the original sister, who is the sister of the two subjects' own mother, i.e. Beatty's and MacLaine's mother. It all makes logical sense. The merit of not amending such texts to be seemingly formulaic is (a) it doesn't actually need doing; (b) it lends credence to the "individual contributors" idea that is (c) core to the WP project. Jeepvee (talk) 22:03, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

through the mother's own marriage -> should read "through the mother's sister's own marriage" Jeepvee (talk) 22:04, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

I wondered if both should mention he's a Communist member or neither. It seems strange that one does but not the other. Equally with the actors' relationship to him, it's as if they're intentionally different just for the sake of it. Even though articles are the products of different people those on very similar subjects shouldn't be be so different in describing specific details. Mcljlm (talk) 08:36, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

How should I amend to frame a more neutral perspective?

Courtesy link: Draft:UParcel

Hi there, I am trying to publish a short wiki for my client's logistics company and it was not successful. I had a premonition that it would not be approved but could someone advise on how it can be written more neutrally and if the references that are used (limited news coverage).

Thanks CurbandPaul (talk) 01:36, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

It starts by saying that this is "an e-commerce logistics company in Singapore that provides same day delivery services by connecting users via an online delivery platform". This isn't how you'd describe it to a friend; because if you did, they might wonder what drugs you were on but anyway their eyes would glaze over and they'd start to doze off. The problem is, it's bullshit, phrased not to inform, but merely to impress. It might impress your client but it's so soporific that it won't impress any other readers, certainly not any draft reviewers. -- Hoary (talk) 01:45, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

(PS I think you mean "a company that makes same-day deliveries within Singapore". The other stuff? I think "online delivery platform" means "website"; but I expect that most delivery companies, if not all, in the first and second world allow customers to do on the web a lot of what still may quaintly be called "paperwork", and so there's no obvious need to mention the website/"platform". -- Hoary (talk) 06:43, 10 November 2022 (UTC))

CurbandPaul, your phrase last mile fulfilment is jargon and a marketing buzz word formulation that conveys no useful information to the reader. That's not encyclopedia writing; that's ad man writing. Cullen328 (talk) 07:57, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Curband Paul, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please remember that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.

That is where you should start - with what people unconnected with the company actually say about it. Ignore everything the company says about itself, unless somebody independent has said it too. ColinFine (talk) 10:28, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Myles Moylan

•  Courtesy link: Myles Moylan

I want to add a Findagrave link to Myles Moylan's page to support my claim that he was born in Tuam, Co Galway. I know that Findagrave is not usually acceptable but I have connected Myles to his parents (who were married and buried in Tuam)and three brothers. I have attached records and newspaper cuttings which make it difficult to believe that he could have been born in America. I know that anyone researching Myles will find the Findgrave page but I would like to have it on his wiki page. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/5929202/myles-moylan ∼∼∼∼ BuffyO'B (talk) 20:54, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @BuffyO'B, welcome to the Teahouse. It seems you already know that Find a Grave is not a reliable source; unfortunately, no amount of original research on your part will be able to change that. However, adding an external link to it at the end of an article is sometimes allowed - see here. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:03, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for that information. I have had many arguments about Myles Moylan's birthplace and I won't pretend to understand why a newspaper article or an article in an historical journal isn't enough to prove a point. I understand that's the way it is with wiki and that won't change. I'd like to put in an external link to direct researchers to the information I have uploaded onto Findagrave. Where would I put the external link? In references? ∼∼∼∼ BuffyO'B (talk) 21:33, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@BuffyO'B, external links go in their own dedicated section, usually at the very end of the article. See 7th Cavalry Regiment for an example (also, here is the actual guideline on it). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:37, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I have figured out how to add an External Link. Am I allowed to add itto Myles Moylan's page? ∼∼∼∼ BuffyO'B (talk) 22:10, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

That's an interesting question, @BuffyO'B. You're certainly able to. If you genuinely think it meets the rules laid out for external links (or if you're convinced it would improve Wikipedia and want to ignore all rules), you should be able to add it without fear of serious consequences. But it's always possible that someone may disagree and revert your addition. In that case, discussion should follow. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:21, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

When I started researching Myles Moylan I would have been delighted to have been presented with the documents that I have uploaded to Findagrave but if the documents/newspaper articles are not acceptable as sources then I suppose an external link carrying these documents is hardly acceptable. Anybody researching Moylan will find the Findagrave page anyway. I got into trouble before for editing his page so I think I'll leave it. Thank you for your time and information.∼∼∼∼ BuffyO'B (talk) 22:42, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

I have no idea what newspaper articles you wish to use as sources, but WP:OFFLINE may be of interest. Per your OP, don't get into WP:OR though. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:39, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

If you go to the following link, it will take you to John Moylan, brother of Myles. I cannot add photos to Myles's profile. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/169515151/john-moylan You will find an article dated 22nd July 1876 ( a few weeks after the Battle of the Little Bighorn) that was published in the Tuam Herald, a Co Galway loocal paper, which is in operation since 1838. Myles is quite clearly connected to Tuam through his late brother John and nephews. An article from the Evening Mail, Stockton, Calif dated 19th April, 1901 connects Myles to a cousin John. It states quite clearly that they haven't met in sixty years since they left Ireland.

If you follow through to Thomas E Moylan (brother of John and Myles) you will find a small piece from the West Newbury Messenger where a visit by Myles to his brother Thomas is recorded.

The Journal of the Old Tuam Society published an article about the Moylans of Tuam, mainly about Myles and his nephew Brother Michael Titus, 5th Superior of the Christian Brothers. I can only offer the following link, which doesn't obviously bring you to the article as it's only available in hard copy. https://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000237091 BuffyO'B (talk) 10:53, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi BuffyO'B I apologize in advance if I'm misunderstanding something about your original post, but it sounds like you did your own research on this matter and then uploaded what you find out to Findagrave. If that's really the case, then you would be essentially citing yourself which means you would need to be considered a reliable source per WP:SPS. If you're basing your research on what you found in reliable secondary sources then it would seem better to simply cite those sources instead of your interpretation of those sources. Unless you're a well-established and recognized as reliable source on such matters, your interpretations are going to be considered WP:OR. Even as a WP:EL a link to your research would probably be problematic per WP:NOBLOGS. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:14, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

I have difficulty with what is considered original research. I uploaded the census return for 1855 and original enlistment record for 1857 to Findagrave. I know that neither are acceptable to Wiki. The newspaper reports are surely not original research, but you need a subscription to access them. That's why I snipped them and uploaded them to Findagrave, so that other researchers could access them. I couldn't upload the article in the Journal of the Old Tuam Society. Apart from being lengthy, it's under copyright. It really doesn't matter in the long run. Researchers will gravitate towards Myles's Findagrave page anyway and find the trail and it'll be clear to them that he was a Tuam man. Thank you for your time.∼∼∼∼ BuffyO'B (talk) 11:50, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

A census return is not really "original research", but it would almost certainly considered a WP:PRIMARYSOURCE and could only be used in certain ways. Original research would be if you cited the census return as a source and then add your own interpretation of it. What you would need to find are reliable WP:SECONDARYSOURCES that interpret the return and then cite them. As for needing a subscription to vuew a source, that's OK per WP:PAYWALL as long as the source is considered reliable per WP:RS and used in proper WP:RSCONTEXT; in other words, a source doesn't need to be freely available online or even available online at all as long as it's published and relatively accessible. The fact that someone may have to pay money to view the source makes assessing it a bit harder, but it doesn't make it impossible. Finally, uploading clippings to Findagrave or some other website often runs into problems as explained in WP:CONVENIENCE, unless it can be clearly determined that the source has not been altered in anyway. An online archive like Newspapers.com or the Wayback Machine is essentially one very big pool of convenience links, but usually these links can be used to verify that the archived content is as it was when originally first published. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:13, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

The census return was turned down because it was accessible through Ancestry, a third party site – https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=4472&h=4067232&tid=&pid=&queryId=8043d68652f62795afd9bb2c6b7c1209&usePUB=true&_phsrc=pTu8951&_phstart=successSource

The enlistment form was turned down for the same reason - https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1198&h=454619&tid=&pid=&queryId=2aa27f794ef1efc315b13c61ccb783e2&usePUB=true&_phsrc=pTu8928&_phstart=successSource

The Tuam Herald report dated July 22nd, 1876 is available on Irishnewsarchives.com. It was turned down because it was inconclusive - there could be two Myles Moylans, one from Tuam and one from Amesbury, MA. The others newspaper clippings are available on Newspapers.com. I can't remember what was wrong with them.

Nobody can access the Moylan article from the Journal of the Old Tuam Society unless they buy a copy.

It took me a while to realise that I was wasting my time. When a descendant of a brother of Myles got in touch with me, I thought I'd have another shot at it. Thanks for replying to me.∼∼∼∼ BuffyO'B (talk) 14:27, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

How to list notable articles / sources

Hello, I am writing a business page and I work for the business. Looking for guidance on how to improve the page. I have notable sources and not sure how best to list them. Also open to any other recommendations. Thank you, please be kind :) https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:JJ_Foodservice_Ltd Rowland 1981 (talk) 15:59, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Rowland 1981, please read WP:N and learn how the term "notable" is used here in Wikipedia. Then look for some reliable independent published sources that discuss JJ Foodservice. If you find at least three, rewrite your draft from scratch, basing it on what those sources say and citing them as you go. Maproom (talk) 16:35, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Rowland 1981, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you work for the business, you have not just a conflict of interest (thank you for declaring that on your user page) but you count as a paid editor (even if you're not specifically paid to work on the Wikipedia article), and should upgrade the declaration on your user page, and add one to Draft talk:JJ Foodservice Ltd

I suggest you drop the phrase "business page" from your mind, and always think of it as "an encyclopaedia article about the business", to remind you that it does not (and will not) belong to the business, will not be controlled by the business (you will be strongly discouraged from editing it directly), will not be for the benefit of the business except incidentally, and may not contain what the business would like it to contain. ColinFine (talk) 17:15, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Colin, thank you for your feedback. I would like to write more wiki articles so I'm keen to learn how to disassociate myself from the subject and write in a more neutral and encyclopaedic way. I will take everyone's advice, which has been very helpful, and continue to learn. I think it's a good idea to rewrite from scratch based on notable sources and will also update my declaration on the user page and add one to Draft talk, as you have suggested. Rowland 1981 (talk) 18:38, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

why was my subject declined

I just want to know why my subject was declined? Fnaffan999214 (talk) 19:09, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@Fnaffan999214: The message on your talk page states "If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse..." GoingBatty (talk) 19:24, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Pages created by Sockpuppet

Not sure if this is the right place to ask this. If not, please point me in the right direction. I came across ISRAEL21c - not much on the page. I dug around and it was created by someone who was banned for sockpuppetry. He actually created over 600 pages. Whats the correct process for dealing with these? I don't mind reviewing some of them but just want to know the protocols. Thank you. MaskedSinger (talk) 17:51, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@MaskedSinger: If the articles were created after the block, then they may qualify for WP:G5 speedy delete. RudolfRed (talk) 19:38, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

G5 would not qualify for them in this case since they were created before he was blocked for socking (he's not a sock but the sockmaster), and the article you linked has had multiple contributions by other users so it wouldn't qualify anyways. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:46, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Help with a simple tool for Coordinated Edits

Hi, can any one support or help me with a simple tool that I can use to monitor, coordinated edits for these two campaigns.
1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Code_for_Africa_Climate_Change_Project
2. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kenya_Elections_Hate_Speech/Misinformation_Prevention

I will be grateful if I could get a tool for coordinated edits, Thanks. Jwale2 (talk) 19:04, 9 November 2022 (UTC)`

hey,leave me a message on my talk page,i would like to work with you on this. ItsMeKeys (talk) 21:17, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Page number in a pdf of a journal

Hello Teahouse, I've tried finding the answer to this question but had no luck so I'm bringing it here. Is there a preference or a guideline to what page number I should use when referencing a pdf of a scholarly journal? As a specific example, I am trying to reference The Florida Historical Quarterly (direct link: http://palmm.digital.flvc.org/islandora/object/ucf%3A22393). The page I am referencing is "page" 25 of the pdf but page 345 of the journal. Which is correct? Thank you! Amscheip (talk) 00:31, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Amscheip, I would say, from common sense, 345. Anyone who has a copy of the journal will be able to look up 345, but only people with the pdf can look up 25. Sungodtemple (talk) 00:42, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

@Sungodtemple That makes total sense, thank you! Amscheip (talk) 04:04, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

I would go further than Sungodtemple. The essential part of a citation is information that will allow a reader first to evaluate whether it is likely to be worth looking at, and secondly to find the source if they wish to. A link to an online source is a convenience for the reader, not an essential part of the citation. It follows that the original page number is part of the reference, and the page number in the PDF is not. ColinFine (talk) 11:22, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

@ColinFine thank you as well for the input and guidance. Amscheip (talk) 21:47, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

I need help with some really advanced esoteric Wiki syntax

The article United States at the 2022 Winter Olympics has an endnote ({{efn}}) encoded in the lead regarding the inability of one of the US flagbearers to appear at the opening ceremony. The end-note appears embedded within the "Ice hockey:Women's tournament" section, just below the "Group play" table. Tracking this down, I find that the problem is that the Group Play table has been transcluded from the Ice hockey at the 2022 Winter Olympics – Women's tournament article, and the table there is created by {{invoke}}'ing a module called "Sports table". The Sports table module has parameters to generate end notes for the table, but apparently this syntax is also capturing the end note that was written in the article lead, creating an end note for the table having nothing to do with the table. I am adept enough at Wiki-syntax to diagnose the problem, but nowhere near adept enough to correct it. Can someone here direct me to a resource who might be able to correct this? Thanks!!! WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 21:56, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

I've changed the one in the lead to use uppercase, which lets us avoid the crash. I don't know if there would be a way to do this without changing the footnote type. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 22:19, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@Maddy from Celeste: Thanks for the quick fix! WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 22:30, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Emojis in pages

Can we also add emojis in pages? 2601:244:4080:3010:F084:CE83:2984:F146 (talk) 22:55, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

hi ip user! unless you're working on a article where it makes sense to have an emoji to display a graphical representation of these characters as an example like articles related to Unicode or Emoji, not really. usually in other pages, these characters can be mentioned using text ("the purple heart emoji" instead of just the character itself 💜 directly, which may not display in older computers).

that being said, if you do decide to register, you can add emojis to your custom signature like mine. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 23:09, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Uploading copyright image with owner's permission

I have received permission from a copyright owner to upload an image to Wikipedia. Specifically regarding this source's image of Big Stan (drill rig). How would I go about uploading the correspondence that gave permission and uploading the image itself? Would it be under a standard fair use justification or is there a specific template on the commons? Etrius ( Us) 18:24, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

If the copyright holder has agreed to release it to everyone under a licence that commons will accept, see c:COM:VRT#If you are NOT the copyright holder. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 18:28, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@Etriusus: It seems unlikely that any new image of Big Stan (drill rig) would be allowed under Wikipedia's non-free content use policy per WP:FREER because (1) a freely licensed photo of the rig already seems to exist as File:Mobile drill rig in Wyoming, 2006.jpg and (2) a new photo of the rig could be taken by someone and released under an acceptable free license. Non-free photos of structures or equipment such as this are generally not allowed when the structure is still standing or the equipment is still being used in publicly accessible areas and capable of being photographed. So, this means you will either (1) need to take a photo of the Big Stan yourself and upload it under an acceptable free license or (2) find someone who has already taken such a photo or agrees to take such a photo and get them to give their consent for their photo to be uploaded under such a license. If you want to use a photo from the "Kevin and Ruth" website and whomever runs the website actually took the photo themselves, you will need to follow the instructions in the "COM:VRT" page that Madeline linked to above. If you're going to try and get Kevin and Ruth's consent, you should ask them to take a look at this and this so that they understand what giving their consent means. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:58, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@Marchjuly I think you misunderstand my question. The image on Big Stan (drill rig) is not that of the Big Stan drill rig, but rather a relatively similar model, per the caption. I have spoken with Kevin directly and he has agreed to release the image to the commons, in fact he sent me a few images. My question was just what template would be appropriate on commons since these are not my images, even though most of them have never been released online. I see that I'll need to forward the our correspondence per COM:VRT, which answers my question. Etrius ( Us) 23:22, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@Etriusus: I think you misunderstood my reply; I stated a freely licensed photo of the rig already seems to exist as .... This was to take into account that the photo in question isn't one of "Big Stan", but perhaps I should've made that more clear. What you need to have Kevin undestand is that he isn't just releasing his photos to Commons or Wikipedia; rather, he's just using Commons to essentially make versions of them "freely" available forever for anyone in the world to download and reuse at anytime in pretty much any way they please (including commercial and derivative use) without needing to directly contact Kevin each time they want to do so. He's not transferring his copyright ownership to anyone, he's just making it much easier for others to reuse his work under some not really very restrictive conditions.

If you explain all of this to Kevin and he's OK with that, then ideally he should uploaded the files himself to Commons using c:Commons:Wikimedia VRT release generator with their original c:COM:EXIF data whenever possible. He just needs to follow the guidance at each step of the upload process so that his copyright ownership can be verified. If, on the other hand, he doesn't want to do that and would rather have you upload the file for him instead, then you're going to need to use c:COM:UPLOAD to upload the image. Since the photo's aren't your c:COM:Own work, you're going to then need to have Kevin send a c:COM:CONSENT email to c:COM:VRT for verification purposes.

Since Kevin is going to need to include the name of the file you've uploaded as well as the type of copyright license he wants to use for the file in his CONSENT email, you probably should discuss these things with him before uploading anything and ask him to wait until the file's been uploaded before sending any emails. In addtion, you should try and use the license he decides upon when you're prompted to pick a license when you upload the file. The email Kevin sends in will be assessed and verified by a VRT member, and the VRT member will take care of everything else if the email is OK. If there's a problem with the email, the VRT member will contact Kevin via email and explain what else needs to be done. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:32, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Writing the information from research paper

I just want to know that can we get information from the research paper and write it in our words while using the paper as citation source ? Or can we base our whole article on a single research paper ? If yes , how ? LFJunaidAhmed (talk) 12:29, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@LFJunaidAhmed If you look at almost any article on a scientific topic on Wikipedia, you'll see that it is indeed often based on research papers published in peer-reviewed journals but usually we prefer WP:Secondary sources, so that means review papers, not a single piece of WP:Primary research. In addition, for articles making any sort of medical claim, we need even more reliable sources, as discussed at WP:MEDRS. Whatever the source, anything we write in Wikipedia has to use our own wording (unless directly quoting) to avoid issues of copyright infringement or plagiarism. It would be very unusual for a single research paper on a new topic to reach our guideline for notability but you may find cases where such poor sourcing has slipped through in the past. When you do try to create a new article, I suggest you use the WP:AFC process so as to get advice on avoiding the main pitfalls. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:54, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Alright, well explained. Thankyou LFJunaidAhmed (talk) 04:14, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

How do I change my sandbox title?

I had made my first article, but it says User:LogiAnimations/sandbox, but I would like it to just say LogiAnimations. How do I fix this? LogiAnimations (talk) 22:54, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @LogiAnimations, welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that what you've written in your sandbox has no potential to become a Wikipedia article and should not be moved to article space (which is what you're asking to be done here). Wikipedia articles are about notable subjects, ones that have received a lot of attention from news organizations, scholars and the like. This small YouTube channel is not going to qualify. Also, since you picked a username which is the same as the channel name, I'm afraid you've also broken our username policy. I highly recommend either applying for a change of username at WP:RENAME or simply abandoning this account and creating a new one. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 23:12, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Your account blocked until you go through a name change process. That said, User:LogiAnimations/sandbox has no potential to become an article. Once you have a new name, you can put Db-author inside double curly brackets {{ }} at the top and an Administrator will delete the draft. Going forward, see WP:YFA for the process of creating and then submitting a draft. Know, however, that there are recommendations to put in time improving existing articles before attempting to create an article. David notMD (talk) 04:32, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

DDHQ links for 2022 HoR election pages

Hey, I'm a relatively novice editor, so I'm not sure who I should contact about this - I noticed that the links to DDHQ on 2022 HoR race prediction tables all seem to be wrong, and link to the generic 'Decision desk' Wiki page. I manually fixed the ones for Alaska and Maine, but I'm not sure if there's an automatic/better way to fix this. Example - go here, and the DDHQ link goes to Decision desk instead of Decision Desk HQ.

Don't really have the time to go through all of the 48 other pages + any other places this might be an issue to fix, so even if there isn't an automated way to do it I figured I should still let someone know. PaKYr (talk) 04:13, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

 In progress doing this manually. perhaps a bot could do this, but 48 articles isn't a lot (and also I don't know which already-approved bot accepts requests like this) so I could probably do this myself. 💜  melecie  talk - 04:47, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! PaKYr (talk) 04:51, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Why is Audrey.m.horn so rude?

He deleted my work! 😡😡😩 Scarlett7910 (talk) 04:40, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Do you want to delete this section now and issue a mea culpa, or get blocked for your behaviour? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 04:45, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) your edits on Audrey's page is certainly pot calling kettle black, without looking into the user interaction between the both of you yet. – robertsky (talk) 04:47, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

You blanked their userpage, which is generally off-limits, then personally attacked them ("Fuck you fat bitch") without a second thought (if you bothered to give more of a glance at the edit history, you'd see that another user actually deleted the majority of your work). They listed the reasons in their edit summaries. I understand the frustration with your work being deleted, but WP:AGF - attacking other editors and putting them down isn't allowed here, especially with a response as vehement as yours. Continuing that behavior is sure to get you blocked.

Additionally, this line on your userpage ("Who i hate on wiki is Audrey.m.horn") reminds me of other people's userpages when I edited FANDOM, rigorously listing their on-wiki relationships and who they're friends with and hate. Wikipedia isn't FANDOM. Don't be reckless with your edits. You also have to provide references for info you add, not original research. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 04:51, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@Scarlett7910 It appears you've blanked his userpage... again. To be on Wikipedia, you need to have a certain level of maturity, and not childishly retaliate every time you get angry at somebody. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 05:05, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@Scarlett7910 Digging further into yours and @Audrey.m.horn's edit history, your anger seems misplaced. Audrey did not remove all of your work. The editor who reverted your work was @DanCherek at Far Eastern curlew, who stated that "revert to remove unattributed copying from https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/threatenedspeciesapp/profile.aspx?id=20284 and https://www.dcceew.gov.au/sites/default/files/env/pages/ef45109a-9c9f-461f-a821-a3d78a2af8dd/files/eastern-curlew-consultation.pdf; regardless of licensing, it's not okay to just copy huge PDFs into articles with no formatting or citations". Dan later stated that "decline revdel, sources are licensed under CC BY 4.0, though restoration of any copied text would require explicitly acknowledging the copying". – robertsky (talk) 04:57, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Every article addition you have made have been reverted (by several editors), and you are on the verge of being indefinitely blocked, per reasons given on your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 05:09, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@Scarlett7910: Additionally, Dan had also left you a templated warning about source attribution on your talk page. Moving foward, what you should do are:

1. Apologise to Audrey for this outburst. Don't take it out on Dan as well, it will be unnecessary and will likely result in an almost immediate block on you.
2. Take a break. Come back later when you have cooled down. All is not lost yet.
3. If you are still interested in having those texts be incorporated into the article, follow Dan's suggestions and do the appropriate formatting and citations.

The above are friendly suggestions. It is up to you to take it up. And oh, do not assume Audrey's gender, or anyone's. If you do not know the other editor's gender, just refer to the editor as 'they' to be safe. (With the benefit of an userscript that draws out editor's preferred pronouns via API, Audrey is 'she'.) – robertsky (talk) 05:16, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

wow, what a mess... I didn't even realize all this was happening, lol. sorry you took my reversion personally @Scarlett7910, I was just maintaining the page. Audrey.m.horn (talk) 05:22, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

How can I add a taxonomy template to an automatic taxobox of my article?

In my draft article Chlidonophorinae, I got a message saying `Missing taxonomy template`. I clicked on the `fix` link but I cannot edit it as I am a new user. Can anyone please create one for it and when can I get access to create a taxonomy template? Also, please submit my draft if it is good enough. PrathuCoder (talk) 05:32, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@prathucoder: done, at Template:Taxonomy/Chlidonophorinae. you can create those templates when you account is 4 days old and you have made 10 edits. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 08:36, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Notability Guideline

 Courtesy link: Draft:Joële Walinga

Hi! I'm having trouble with a declined article submission, the reason given is: "Subject maybe notable but needs more WP:SIGCOV." But all of the citations I've included contain significant coverage (they are interviews and features on the subject, not "passing mentions") in independent and reliable sources. How can I resolve this? Ss prod (talk) 12:11, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Interviews with the subject of the article are of no use in establishing notability. We don't care what the subject says about themselves; instead we need to know what independent reliable sources say about them. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:20, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@Ss prod Hello, I had a look for you, whilst it is good that the draft already has 8 citations, it still may not be significant enough, depending on the content. You should probably continue to find sources so that your draft passes the notability criteria, before submitting again. Thanks, Blanchey (talk) 12:21, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

And like @David Biddulph said, the content of those citations should be from independent, reliable sources, not necessarily interviews. Blanchey (talk) 12:22, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply! Just because I'm a little unclear on the preferred content of the sources, I'd love if anyone would have a minute to look through and flag which ones aren't appropriate. There are many other articles I could replace them with, but was giving preference to the larger publications. Ss prod (talk) 12:26, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@Ss prod here is a list full of most popular publishers and which ones are okay to use. Also, interviews are generally avoided since that is usually the subject talking about themself. Whereas independent publishers can talk from a different perspective, and improve notability. Blanchey (talk) 12:31, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the link. And definitely understand the interview concern. In the case of this article, I only used interviews to give a source to a simple fact (ie, premiere location, etc) and in each case the fact was established by the writer of the article and not by the subject. Would the use of an article that contains an interview in that way also be discouraged? Ss prod (talk) 12:33, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Also – sorry for the follow up – Variety and Deadline (which I cite) are in the green on this list. I'm noticing a lack of Canadian publications which many of my other resources are, CBC is the Canadian Broadcasting Company, and Canadian Art is the now defunct national art magazine (the Canadian version of Art in America). I'm assuming the list and its indications aren't comprehensive? Ss prod (talk) 12:38, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Canadian Broadcasting Corporation* Ss prod (talk) 12:38, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Here is a Wikipedia article for another Canadian filmmaker that has been accepted, with resources which are largely passing mentions and interviews. Can someone please take a look and clarify the difference to me? It seems to me that the resources on my article contain many more reliable sources, full features, and green-lit publications, in addition to the fact that my article does not use interviews to establish the views of the subject of the interview, but rather the facts noted by the interviewer. Ss prod (talk) 12:51, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

----> https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Anthony_Shim Ss prod (talk) 12:51, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Ss prod ...the resources on my article... - you have established a new user registration and immediately tried to create an article. Are you connected to the subject?--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 12:56, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I am a producer at her company. Is this allowed? Ss prod (talk) 12:58, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

In which case you need to read about conflict of interest, and about paid editing. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:00, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Ah I did not know that. Ok, so, I should remove the article? Ss prod (talk) 13:02, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

I am still curious why one article was allowed and another denied, outside of the conflict of interest issue (which I do understand). The article was rejected based on its citations, not the conflict, when similar citations have been approved. Can anyone clarify this for me? I will still delete the article but I'd like to know what informed the disparity between treatments of two similar subjects. Ss prod (talk) 13:05, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing out the problems with Anthony Shim. In my opinion, it is inadequately sourced, and I have tagged it accordingly. Please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. ColinFine (talk) 13:41, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

I know I'm new here, but I think the Shim article feels well sourced, and I think it's important to keep room for the new generation of filmmakers, especially those who are BIPOC and women who are often left out of these spaces. I'm sorry that my bringing up the Shim article in contrast with the one I am submitting may lead to added obstacles for him. Why I mentioned it is because I'm confused about the interview issue when the citation isn't used to establish the opinions of the subject but to establish those of the interviewER, and in Shim's article, this citation was OK. I have also seen this in several other articles about filmmakers at this stage, but I will not mention them by name or link to them anymore. I suggest a more nuanced and considered approach to resources. Ss prod (talk) 13:49, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Basically, you have donated the content and only an administrator can delete an article. As the author, you can request deletion. I'll leave others more accustomed to the circumstances to advise on this. I had a quick look at the website and saw some minor crossover text, but didn't pore over it.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 13:19, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Twinkle

I'm trying to have the TW alongside More; It doesn't show on me! SAAeh (talk) 04:46, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@saaeh: from wikipedia:twinkle/doc:

Twinkle installation may fail completely for several reasons:

• You must use a supported web browser. Twinkle does not work with Internet Explorer version 8 or older; hence, it will not work on Internet Explorer on Windows XP, and you may need to upgrade to Internet Explorer 9 if you use Windows Vista or Windows 7.
• If you are using older versions of Opera, Safari, or Firefox, try enabling the JavaScript Standard Library gadget under your preferences → Gadgets → Library and compatibility gadgets.
• After installation, you may have to clear your browser cache. Instructions on how to do this can be found at Wikipedia:Bypass your cache.

does this help? lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 08:25, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

It helps me, Thank you! ~~~~ SAAeh (talk) 15:11, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Add what a Staff Assistant To Director

I wanto document what a Federal Assistant to a Director is and does in a Veterans Healthcare Administration Hospital for serving our Nations Soldierldy (talk) 14:04, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Soldierldy! Welcome to the Teahouse! It appears as though you wish to create an article regarding this subject. In order for a subject to qualify for a Wikipedia article, the subject must be notable (click this link for an in-depth explanation). The general notability guideline states that the subject must be covered by multiple reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. All contentious information must be verified by a reputable source. You may also wish to ensure that the article you create does not contain any copyright violations, as this is a free encyclopedia and you do not wish to distribute any copyright-infringing material. Articles have a manual of style that covers how your writing style should be when writing an article. Finally, make sure your article is not contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. Since you are not autoconfirmed yet, in order to create an article, you must go to articles for creation and create a draft (your title with the prefix Draft:). Once the above criteria are met, the article will be moved by an experienced user into the main article space, where it is available for all readers to see. Thanks! — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 14:31, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Help:Your first article is a wonderful resource as well. — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 14:35, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Soldierldy, and welcome to the Teahouse. The question in my mind is, what do you mean by "document"? If you mean that you want to survey the existing literature on the subject and write a summary of what the sources say, that's fine. My suspicion is that you want to write about your own experience and conclusions. If that's the case, I'm afraid that Wikipedia would regard that as original research, which is not acceptable in any article. ColinFine (talk) 15:37, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Solo notability

Hello.

Last year I created a draft page for American YouTuber and singer Draft:Gabi DeMartino who is the 1/2 of the duo Niki and Gabi. Unfortunately the draft has been declined several times because "she's not notable enough as a solo artist". She released more music individually than she did when she was a part of the duo, was featured in one of the most-watched music video in YouTube within 24 hours, opened for German artist Zedd, signed to Roc Nation for music management and has done so many other stuff to identify as a solo artist but her single did not rank high on a recognized chart. Could someone re-review it or maybe help with making it a better article to be moved to the main space? Thanks. Gabriella Grande (talk) 15:59, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@gabriella grande: none of that matters. what you need are at least 2 or 3 reliable, independent sources that cover the subject significantly. if you don't have those, the subject does not deserve an article. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 16:30, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@Lettherebedarklight I already added Forbes, Insider, Buzzfeed News and many more, which according to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources they are reliable. Gabriella Grande (talk) 16:57, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@Gabriella Grande: The Forbes source is credited to a contributor, which is not generally considered reliable. I do not think that either the Buzzfeed or the Insider articles are really significant coverage of DeMartino. If they are the best case for notability that can be made, even if we did consider them significant coverage I would be concerned about whether this was an article on a living person based on a single event. Your draft contains lots of sources, but it's not at all clear to me which of them actually count towards notability – generally a draft having lots of questionable sources does not help it get accepted at AfC: it's much better to have a smaller number of sources which all clearly count towards notability. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 17:13, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Get my article published - How to improve references?

Hello.

I wrote the following article (Sandbox), but Wikipedia declined its publication: User:LRExpertsen/sandbox

It is about LatamReady, a solution provider company of Oracle NetSuite ERP.

Wikipedia declined it because the references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia Article. In the message, they say the sources don't have 1)in-depth, 2)reliable, 3)secondary, or 4)independent.

However, I edited the article by adding new well-known references such as New York Times and The Guardian, but Wikipedia rejected the article.

Can you give me more advice on how to edit the article, so Wikipedia approves it? Including references or any other subject that can be improved. LRExpertsen (talk) 15:33, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, LRExpertsen, and welcome to the Teahouse. Your first problem is that it is not clear what your article is about: is it about LatamReady or about Oracle NetSuite ERP? Also, I can't actually tell from your draft whether NetSuite ERP is a product of LatamReady, or a system that LatamReady provides access to. I notice that we have an article on NetSuite, that you haven't actually linked to. What is the relationship between LatamReady and that company?

Your other problem is that you are focussing on just one of the three criteria for sources: that of being reliable. The other two are independence, and significant coverage. Two of your four sources do not mention LatamReady at all, and are useless for establishing it as notable. I suspect that the WSJ one does not either, but I can't read it as I am not a subscriber. And the Spanish source seems to be based on an interview, so it is not independent. Remember that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.

I also need to ask, do you have a connection with LatamReady? When somebody creates an account, and immediately embarks on the incredibly difficult task of creating an article, they very often have a connection with the subject. If you have, you should read about conflict of interest, and if you are in any way employed by the company, you must read about paid editing and make the necessarily declarations. ColinFine (talk) 16:05, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@LRExpertsen You are now on your third warning for potential WP:UPE. The question is a mandatory question. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:06, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Nowiki?

Sorry, newbie question, but what are the nowiki tags? I've seen them used in a few edits, normally wrapped around other pieces of text. TheManInTheBlackHat (talk) 19:36, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@TheManInTheBlackHat: No need to apolgize for a newbie question, that's the entire point of the Teahouse. nowiki just makes it so stings of text aren't interpreted Wikitext (for example If I wanted to Dispaly Template:Clear with curly brackets without summoning the template, I would put: {{clear}}) ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:39, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

That clears it up, thank you. TheManInTheBlackHat (talk) 19:40, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

How could I test those articles from Reliable sources

Hi ,

Please I would like to know. How could I Test those articles from Reliable Sources ?

Thank you. Wikibd23 (talk) 05:01, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@Wikibd23 Hello, and welcome to the teahouse. Please can you tell me what you mean by testing articles from reliable sources? Blanchey (talk) 08:46, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@Wikibd23, Please read carefully about reliable sources and about notability of academics. Those are important concepts to be aware of in writing a Wikipedia article. Quisqualis (talk) 18:32, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much. Wikibd23 (talk) 20:31, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

How Many Articles should I require for creating Articles in Wikipedia

I would like to know How Many Articles should I require for creating Articles in Wikipedia? Wikibd23 (talk) 04:59, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

That's like asking "How many games of tennis should I play before I can enter a competition?" There is no particular number: it depends on your ability and willingness to learn. You have submitted several drafts, but not yet got very far with them. I recommend studying WP:YFA and WP:notability carefully. ColinFine (talk) 11:24, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Wikibd23, if your sources are of high quality for demonstrating notability, you only need two or three of them. However, your sources must support everything written in your article, so your sources may number more than that. There is no set minimum source count if the sources are not considered reliable by Wikipedia.--Quisqualis (talk) 18:40, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your helpfull Answer. Wikibd23 (talk) 20:32, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Improve the Draft page and get approval

Hi all, I created a page https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:PaykanArtCar and would like to seek for your support to go through the article and advise if there's improvement needed. I have followed the neutral tone of voice and notable source guideline throughout the article, however if you think there's anything I should adjust, please let me know. KP070707 (talk) 18:26, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@KP070707 After a brief skim, you should remove words such as "famous" (see WP:WTW). Also, citations should come after punctuation. Broadly speaking, the article does come off a tad promotional, so I would advise rewriting the article as if you were a completely neutral observer, just stating the facts. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 20:57, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@KP070707 There are several places where you have external links within the article's text. These should be removed or converted into citations. See WP:EL Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:56, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

About Account

Can Can I have 2 Wikipedia IDs? At one time does Wikipedia allow this? I haven't made it yet. But I want to create a backup account. Jisshu (talk) 04:41, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Jisshu Hello, and welcome back to the Teahouse! See WP:SOCKLEGIT for legitimate uses of an alternate account. Otherwise, you are not allowed to have more than one account. Jolly1253 (talk) 04:51, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Username change

Can i cancel a request for username change? Quantum XYZ (chat) 17:49, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Quantum XYZ, just revert the request. Sungodtemple (talk) 17:55, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Sungodtemple: I cant find ot at my contributions, and on the request page it only allows me to make a requests. Quantum XYZ (chat) 05:13, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

The request page is Special:GlobalRenameRequest. Quantum XYZ (chat) 05:59, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

My article not posted

Dear Sir, please help me post my article.. I am not able to post ImranOne Shaikh (talk) 07:07, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@ImranOne Shaikh: If this is about Draft:LATE._PROF._DR._(COL.)_A._BALASUBRAMANIAN, that particular draft seems to be substantically identically to https://biibpune.edu.in/About/our_chancellor, a copyrighted website, and as such is a violation of Wikipedia's coopyright policy. Ill post more about this on your talkpage in a second. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:21, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

ImranOne Shaikh, leaving aside for now the issue of the violation of copyright (which is extremely important), your draft now says How would you describe the greatness of a person when he is incomparable? Maybe a metaphor would justify his larger-than-life character. But then a metaphor of what class and generation? Your mind would simply embark on a journey of emotions when you soulfully explore the life of . . . Please be aware that the Neutral point of view is a mandatory core content policy, and that this language is non-neutral and utterly inappropriate for inclusion in this encyclopedia. Cullen328 (talk) 07:32, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

changing an edit message

Is it possible to change the message of an edit ? Vincent-vst (talk) 06:30, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

If you mean the boxes that appear above the edit window, (these are called edit notices) yes, although doing so requires admin privileges (see Template:editnotice), with the exception of pages in the user/user talk namespace, which can be custommized by creating a page named Full Page Name including Namespace prefix/Editnotice. If you mean the edit summary, no, once an edit has been submitted, the edit summary cannot be changed. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:14, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Vincent-vst, if you made an error in your edit summary, you can make a Dummy edit, noting your correction in the next edit summary. Cullen328 (talk) 07:21, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Vincent-vst There have been proposals to allow editors to revise their edit summaries, for example WP:Village_pump_(proposals)/Archive 30#Being able to edit your edit summaries but they have never been implemented for various reasons. However, you can set Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing so you will never forget to use an edit summary, which I do find helpful. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:28, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Article

Can the name of an article be changed after it has been published? Can admins do it? Wikipedian10282 (talk) 12:03, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Any autoconfirmed editor can move a page, unless there already is a page at the destination, in which case either a page mover or administrator is needed. If you think someone might disagree with a move, you should start a discussion as detailed on Wikipedia:Requested moves, and if you think the move will be uncontroversial but can't perform it yourself, you can post on Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 12:08, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Stubsensor seems to be inactive

We need more stub dumps and I’m the only one active in the project. I don’t want to stop yet I feel more people should be in. How do I get more people to help? SikiWtideI (Speak to the backwards police) 16:08, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

About page protection

How can I request for page protection which template is used for this 2023 Indian Premier League Can someone ask for protection for this page on my behalf, this page is created by me. Jisshu (talk) 13:16, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

You created this article yesterday. You reverted an editor's good faith edit. There is no history of vandalism or controversial editing that would warrent page protection. There exist articles about previous seasons, for example 2022 Indian Premier League. If it is valid to have an article about a season that has not yet started (a real concern) then your short article can be improved by being modeled after the other articles. David notMD (talk) 13:43, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

I also have concerns that for some of the ten teams in the Indian Premier League you have created short articles specific to the 2023 season, for example Sunrisers Hyderabad in 2023, Punjab Kings in 2023, Chennai Super Kings in 2023 and Kolkata Knight Riders in 2023 rather than add information to the existing articles about the teams: Sunrisers Hyderabad, Punjab Kings, Chennai Super Kings, Kolkata Knight Riders. David notMD (talk) 13:54, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

User:David notMD I haven't copied from an article. I have created my articles and added my own sources which I found through cricbuzz and ESPN. and even I deleted my article about IPL auction for good faithand help editor

I did not state nor imply that there is a copyright infringement problem. Copying from one Wikipedia article to another is allowed as long as there is attribution in the edit summary. And my understanding is that if an editor is copying content they created from one article to another that copying attribution is desired but not required. If I have this wrong, perhaps other editors will comment. The intention of my second comment - which should have been made more clear - is that I disagree with the value of a 2023 article for each team in the IPL versus adding updating content to the existing articles. However, I have not tagged any for deletion. David notMD (talk) 16:49, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

disambiguation query: page= My Uncle Napoleon

i'm copy/pasting/rewriting my talk page question here because i think this is a better place? the article is My Uncle Napoleon. i want to work on the article more in general, but this is my main question atm. (very first time editor!)

"Mash Qasem is said to be from Ghiasabad. that is listed on the page with *Disambiguation Needed*. i don't think this can be disambiguated! given the tone of the novel, that seems to be a joke, given his compulsive lying tendencies, about there being so many different Ghiasabads! what would be the best way to resolve this? do i need to find a citation confirming his being from ghiasabad is a joke about ambiguity [something i do not know if is possible]. much thanks" 2600:6C67:6E7F:5AD1:0:0:0:3 (talk) 22:10, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

I'd just remove the link and the tag. If it's not possible to pick one Ghiasabad to link to, but there's no source saying it is an intentionally ambiguous joke, linking to the disambiguation doesn't really help the reader. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 22:54, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

You might add an explanation along the lines of ". . . from Ghiasabad (which Ghiasabad, of the several places so named, is never specified)." {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 5.64.163.219 (talk) 17:14, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

serious question on global locks

so i came across an account called "wikipedia sucks" which is LOCKED for having an abusive username. really...? i understand a block, but not a lock. seems a little sensitive. as far as im concerned, locking an account should have only been used if they have an offensive user name, is a cross wiki abuser or spambot, sockpuppet or an LTA. locking an account for dissing wikipedia in what is probably more polite then what most people would say, seems ridiculous to me. 50.109.187.59 (talk) 04:46, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome. Maybe the account was locked because it was used by an LTA and it just wasn’t announced? Sometimes, when the abuser is so notorious, we deny recognition and just block without connecting them. Blanchey (talk) 09:04, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

ahhh ok 172.78.180.225 (talk) 18:00, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Visual edit: value (help), website= (help)

Using the Visual Editor Manual tab (after "We couldn't make a citation for you. You can create one manually using the "Manual" tab above." appeared) I added a live URL citation and its archived copy to an article, filling in the appropriate fields but " {{cite web}}: Empty citation (help): Check |archive-url= value (help); External link in |website= (help)" appears after "Retrieved 9 November 2022.". What do I need to do? Mcljlm (talk) 16:16, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@mcljlm: i'm assuming this is about party lists for the 2022 Israeli legislative election. the archive url is the exact same as the non-archived url, and the website parameter takes the name of the website, not the url. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 16:34, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ Thanks. I hadn't noticed my mouse hadn't copied the archived version. Now half the problem is solved but "{{cite web}}: External link in |website= (help)" still appears (I only added {thought I was adding} the archived version 2 days after the original edit). What do I need to do now? Mcljlm (talk) 00:53, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Mcljlm. The citation error was due to you (I'm assuming it was you) trying to use add a url address for the |website= parameter. You should use the name of the website instead. I don't understand Hebrew; so I simply replaced the url you added with "gov.il". If you know the name of the website, you should use that instead. Another thing I noticed is that you're citing non-English websites as sources. While this is allowed as explained in WP:NONENGLISH, it can be confusing to readers sometime since they're reading English Wikipedia and, thus. expecting sources written in English. Many governmental websites have multi-language versions and you should cite the English version of the source if one exists whenever possible. If no such page exists or the source in the original language is preferred, you can still make things a bit easier by using the parameters |script-title=, |title=, |language=, and |trans-title=. Most of the documentation pages for the more widely used citation templates like {{cite web}} have examples on how to use these parameters, and it's not too complicated to figure out. The |script-title= parameter is particularly useful when the source being cited uses a non-Latin script like Hebrew does because it helps with MOS:ACCESSIBILITY. In such cases, the |title= parameter should be used for the Romanized version of the source's title, with the |trans-title= parameter then being used for the English translation of the source's title. The |language= parameter is just the two-letter code for the source language. I reformatted one of the citations you added using these parameter (I left the |title= parameter empty because I don't read Hebrew), and it would be big help if you could go back and finish the citation I started and then also clean up the rest in the same way. Finally, I also noticed that the |page= parameters for some of the citations seem to have dates added to them instead of page numbers. The date the source was published should be added to the |date= parameter, and the page of the source being cited is what should be added to the |page= parameter. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:48, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Marchjuly. Are you saying I should have entered gov.il as the website name rather than https://www.gov.il? I didn't use Central Elections Committee as the website name since the CEC is only a government department as its home page URL https://www.gov.il/en/departments/central-elections-committee/govil-landing-page indicates and its name doesn't always appear in its webpages (see below). Would it be preferable to gov.il despite that?

I'm not sure why you say I'm citing non-English websites. I cited the English-language page https://www.gov.il/BlobFolder/guide/candidates-lists-25/en/candidates_candidates_lists.pdf which I accessed from the hyperlink Names of the Candidates in the 25th Knesset Elections at the foot of https://www.gov.il/en/Departments/Guides/candidates-lists-25 (it's actually there twice), en indicating it's the English version. Mcljlm (talk) 03:25, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

​The reason you were seeing this type of citation error was because the url address www.gov.il had been added for the |website= parameter of the {{cite web}} template that was used for the citation. I replaced that with "gov.il" because I didn't know what the name of the website was. Ideally, if the website has a name you would add that name for the website parameter. For example, if you were citing a Washington Post article, you would add "Washington Post" or maybe even "Washington Post.com" as the website and not the url address www.washingtonpost.com. As the non-English citations, I mistakenly assumed that you had added them, but they were actually added by someone else; so, my apologies for that. If, however, you're able to understand Hebrew, then perhaps you can help clean up the citations to non-English sources. I can use something like Google translate for the names of the sources, but I can't read Hebrew which means I can't convert the Hebrew script to Romanization for the |title= parameter. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:21, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Marchjuly What non-English citation do/did you see? Mcljlm (talk) 19:35, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

​ Look at Party lists for the 2022 Israeli legislative election#References because it looks like there are eight citations to websites written in Hebrew. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:19, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

​Now I realize what you meant; I thought you were referring to the citation I added.

Dealing with the Hebrew citations will need a lot of work. Most are to CEC pages which appear to exist only in Hebrew listing individual lists. The citation I added is a document which theoretically includes the candidates on all the lists but also include the names of candidates submitted who aren't on the final lists. The others are to Hebrew news sites (neither necessarily the most appropriate). Most of the names mentioned in the article may be in the lists published by English-language sites (which would be preferable to Hebrew CEC pages but it'll take time to find them.

I notice there are Hebrew citations in several other election-related articles as well.Mcljlm (talk) 01:32, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Future productions

I'm not super familiar with guidelines surrounding media that has yet to be released. I think that WP:NFF and WP:CRYSTAL suggest that Wikipedia pages can be created for soon to be released productions if it has been confirmed by reliable sources that the show has already undergone a major phase of production. And of course, there must be reliable secondary sources that demonstrate notability. I was working on Draft:Quiet Part Loud and I was wondering whether I should move it to mainspace or wait a few days until November 15. I don't want to run into the hassle of someone else writing the page in mainspace and having to figure out how or what to merge, but I don't want to move it to mainspace prematurely either. TipsyElephant (talk) 15:09, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Also, are the current sources considered too routine to constitute notability? TipsyElephant (talk) 15:12, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Hmmm, I did some more reading and it looks like this would probably violate WP:NOTNEWS because the sources are WP:ROUTINE. I'd still appreciate someone else's input though so that I know I'm interpreting guidelines properly. TipsyElephant (talk) 02:08, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

One of my article nominated for delete

I noticed that an administrator requested to delete an article name Ridoyanul Hoq. Because as a creator, I moved the article directly from the draft space to the main space, and he also said that the references are from the blog site. Although this article was reviewed by 2 administrators before. I respect his opinion, but one thing to note here is that: while moving the article from the draft to the main space with mobile, I didn't see the option like WP:AFC and the references are not of any blog site. I have told about this on his talk page, but he is not replying. What should I do? I don't know too much about Wikipedia policies. Someone please help me, either delete the article or if my article suitable for main space, please remove the delete notice. Frryan404 (talk) 02:19, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

The article is already up for deletion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ridoyanul Hoq. Therefore that, rather than here, is where comments should be added. -- Hoary (talk) 02:39, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Lethal Slime

you should allow my article draft:lethal slime i think my sources are fine Chait21 (talk) 08:00, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Chait21 Hello, and welcome. The declining reviewer left an explanation as to why your draft wasn’t accepted. If you read that, you will know what needs adding/improving. Thanks, Blanchey (talk) 08:59, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Chait21 I see that your draft was rejected, not just declined, which means it is unsuitable for Wikipedia in any form and you should stop wasting your time on it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:15, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Chait21: - No, those sources are not "fine". Read through the criteria that are listed in the rejection notice carefully. I cannot see a single reference that meets those four criteria. In order to be accepted, the article would need multiple sources that meet those criteria. If you have questions about why any particular source is not adequate, please ask here or the editor who declined it.--Gronk Oz (talk) 15:18, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Chait21: Refer to User:Jéské Couriano/Decode:

• We can't use either YouTube cite (Unknown provenance, connexion to subject). YouTube as a source is unusable unless the video being cited is both (1) produced by an outlet we would ordinarily consider to be credible and (2) uploaded to their own verified channel.
• We can't use Instagram (no editorial oversight). Social media in general is useless as a source for notability on Wikipedia due to its unfiltered nature.
• We can't use GoDaddy (connexion to subject, no editorial oversight). Website registrars are practically never going to be any good as a source.
• The Patch source is a non-sequitur.
• We can't use lyrics on Genius (copyright violation or no editorial oversight or connexion to subject, one of the three is going to apply). In general, citing lyrics is both irrelevant and a waste of time.
• We can't use Illroots (too sparse). This looks like the It's the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine) of news aggregators, and we don't cite news aggregators to begin with.

Nothing you cite is any good. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 02:54, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Sandbox Vandalism

If a user (for instance), 'deliberately' vandalises my sandbox to write untrue and derogatory remarks about me, what should I do? @ Wikipedian10282 (talk) 19:39, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Wikipedian10282: if that happens, you should revert the vandalism and report the user to WP:AIV. However, it doesn't seem like anyone besides you has edited your sandbox; is this in reference to a specific situation? — VersaceSpace (talk) 19:59, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@VersaceSpace Thank you. Indeed, I'm talking about a specific situation, even though this hasn't occured to me personally. Internet safety matters. Wikipedian10282 (talk) 20:24, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

VersaceSpace, WP:AIV "is intended only for reports about active, obvious, and persistent vandals and spammers" (my emphasis). -- Hoary (talk) 03:27, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary: I took the bolded "deliberately" and the plural "remarks" to mean there were several instances of such conduct. —VersaceSpace (talk) 03:30, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

How make a page title italicized (DISPLAYTITLE not working)

I am creating a taxonomy article and I want it to be italicized. I referred to the DISPLAYTITLE function and it is giving error: 'unsupported character {'. Could someone give a working example of DISPLAYTITLE and point out what was going wrong? Also, how can I edit the title of articles (I didn't italicize some other article titles)? PrathuCoder (talk) 11:01, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

If you only need to italicize the title, you can use {{Italic title}} rather than trying to use {{DISPLAYTITLE}} manually. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 11:06, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Maddy from Celeste Ok, but how can I change the title of previously made articles? PrathuCoder (talk) 11:23, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

For italics, you simply add the aforementioned template to the top of the page. If you want to actually change the article title, see Wikipedia:Requested moves. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 11:35, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@PrathuCoder: Things often depend on the circumstances so please always be specific in questions. Which page do you have in mind and which name do you want? Some things are deliberately impossible with DISPLAYTITLE and require a move. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:58, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

No, I don't have anything like that but a situation like that may come later so I asked it for more information since I'm relatively new. But now I'm autoconfirmed so I can do a move on my own. Thanks for your concern though. PrathuCoder (talk) 04:11, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

computer sabotaged help fix please,

comp haked cant open apps. cd player is tweaked. everything help.

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hi ip user! unfortunately we aren't able to fix your computer, although you might want to check your local search engine about if the most recent apps you used (or any suspicious apps or processes in the installed program menu or task manager) are suspicious and how you can remove them. happy reading! 💜  melecie  talk - 05:25, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Meeting Notability/Significance Requirements & Reliable Sources

I was interested in adding a page for the song "Sex Dwarf" by Soft Cell, from the Non-Stop Erotic Cabaret album. I felt the track alone has generated enough controversy to be note-worthy, such as its music video being banned in the UK, being covered by Nine Inch Nails, etc. I've read the Wikipedia:Notability (music) article but wanted to seek more opinions.

My main reason for hesitating was the lack of proper sources--the song's controversy is mentioned in BBC documentaries about Soft Cell (like in the Young Guns: Go for It series) but those same documentaries also feature interviews with Marc Almond and Dave Ball where they discuss the song/music video. There are articles about the song online, but they seem to be mostly editorials by publications such as Vice News. (https://www.vice.com/en/article/9ajkk5/soft-cell-sex-dwarf)

Apologies if similar questions are asked often, basically just looking for input on if this is a viable topic for a separate page and if so, are there any recommendations for sources? Or could I add more information to the album's wiki instead, or do nothing? Cheers Yalocalgaynoah (talk) 20:00, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Yalocalgaynoah, The Vice piece seems objective enough in parts that you should be able to use it as a source for some of your article. It's kind of a review and partly a memoir, if I read it correctly. Wikipedia says, "There is no consensus on the reliability of Vice Media publications", therefore, be selective in what you use from it. Quisqualis (talk) 23:47, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

My problem with the Vice item is that it's written in such an arch style that in places I don't know what it means. But perhaps that's just me. Yalocalgaynoah, could you perhaps specify two other good sources? -- Hoary (talk) 00:59, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

[6] might be usable, at least as a starting-point to info and other better refs. DMacks (talk) 06:33, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

writing a biography

I want to write a bio of a well known commercial artist who is deceased. Is it correct that every fact, such as his employers, places of residence, and so on, must be publicly documented? Some of the information I have is from personal knowledge, such as that he was a Scoutmaster for the Boy Scouts. Can I not write that because it isn't documented? Entwalker (talk) 04:14, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

That is correct, yes. If you know something personally, that is original research and is not allowed on Wikipedia. Look for reliable sources that contain the information, and make sure there are sources establishing notability as well or else the article can't be written at all. WPscatter ^t/_c 04:18, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Entwalker (talk) 06:16, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Where can I find the criteria for acceptable source material? Someone said there are 4 criteria. Entwalker (talk) 17:21, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Entwalker So that you don't have to read this entire Teahouse page, I'll just copy some of what Fiddle Faddle said above: A source must be reliable, independent, and have significant coverage of the subject or topic. I think the fourth criterion is that the sources must not be primary sources; they should be secondary. Those pages have a LOT of information. David10244 (talk) 06:37, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@Entwalker Many people have personal websites which can be archived at the Wayback machine. Citations to these are allowed for simple facts in biographies, as detailed at WP:ABOUTSELF. However, none of that contributes to notability. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:53, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Notability is not an issue, as I have several sources listing achievements etc. But for my subject's personal life, can I reference a book that I helped write, once it's published? It includes details from his heretofore unpublished autobiography. Entwalker (talk) 17:16, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Entwalker, If your unpublished book you want to cite is based on parts of his "unpublished autobiography", the answer is no, as your book would not be considered a reliable source. If parts of your book are based on material found in reliable sources, then use those reliable sources themselves. Quisqualis (talk) 00:14, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

When I would be able to make my own articles on wikipedia

When I would be able to make my own articles on wikipedia Atalanta Enthusiast (talk) 04:53, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

hi @Atalanta Enthusiast and welcome to the teahouse! you're able to create articles right now, although it may take a lot of learning so it may be best if you learn the ropes first by helping edit existing articles before starting your own. if you still want to learn how, please read Reliable sources which discusses the sources you can use to cite your statements, Notability which determines if the subject is eligible for an article, and Your first article which gets in the process of sctually writing the article itself. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 05:22, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Help:Referencing for beginners provides guidance on how to format refs. Refs first!! Given that in the end, content needs to be verified by references, finding valid refs before diving into content is good advice. And there is no "owning" of articles. Once an article is created, anyone can edit it, as long as the new content is true, relevant and referenced. For any existing article, click on "View history" to see the editing history. For high profile articles there can be thousands of edits by hundreds of editors. David notMD (talk) 12:11, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Renaming John Henry Peyton to John Howe Peyton

 Courtesy link: John Henry Peyton

Before my wrist surgery (and although the very competent local genealogist was out sick that day), I started a new article about a long-dead Prince William County, Virginia delegate whom I thought was named John Henry Peyton, per a post-2000 published Peyton family genealogy at that library (which unfortunately did not give his birth and death dates). I expected to write a second article about his cousin (both sharing the same paternal grandfather) John Howe Peyton, who served in the Virginia Senate representing Augusta and Rockbridge counties significantly to the west a couple of decades later. However, when the genealogist got back, he pointed me to a family biography available on Project Gutenberg which demonstrated that John Howe Peyton actually held both legislative positions. So I revised the article briefly one-handed to include the correct refs and mention the confusion. For what it's worth, while that long-ago published family biography does not meet modern research standards (i.e. gets both dates of legislative service slightly wrong), the wikipedia article's title needs to be changed to meet the revised infobox and contents generally. I'm still trying to track down John Henry Peyton's vital statistics (his index entry in the recent Washington family genealogy incorrectly cites 2 pages or missing genealogical entries and the Virginia Historical Society library/archive has no index entry for him), but it's clear to me he doesn't otherwise meet wikipedia's notability standards. On the other hand, John Howe Peyton does meet those criteria, and I plan to work on the article when the genealogy library opens Saturday, even if still typing one-handed. Thanks for your help. And sorry for the confusion.Jweaver28 (talk) 22:38, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Jweaver28, I've moved "John Henry Peyton" to John Howe Peyton -- a minor chore that I think could have been accomplished with just one hand. I do note that the article is prefaced with an announcement that it's being reworked; I hope that it will be augmented, because as it is I can't see how Peyton is significant. (Yes, he held a series of posts, but what did he propose, how did he vote, what did he do, etc, while he held them?) -- Hoary (talk) 23:42, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

My two cents is too much genealogy about family members. David notMD (talk) 04:37, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. -- Hoary (talk) 12:34, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Hoary. I thought I had changed the article's name when I made the postsurgical article changes, but clearly did not. Then yesterday evening's changes got stuck/lost in a display driver update, and today proved a bit crazier than I had expected. As for notability, all members of state legislatures meet wikipedia's guideline. I understand they're not as sexy as rock band members or professional athletes, but figuring out who they were is important for historians. For Virginia legislators of previous centuries the genealogy is important, for this was an oligarchy. Then there are the quirks, like "forgetting" those who freed slaves, opposed slavery or for decades after the Civil War (a/k/a War between the States) were Republicans.Jweaver28 (talk) 01:18, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Jweaver28 If the family members meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines, then create articles about them. Until then, it is too much. David notMD (talk) 14:18, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Volca Modular

Hi there! I received a notification that my article Volca Modular was reviewed, but it isn't indexed on any search engine. I'm pretty new so would like to clarify when an article is listed on search engines. Thanks! Schminnte (talk) 01:00, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Schminnte. It has been reviewed as you say so it allows indexing by external search engines but we don't control when it happens. It's up to each search engine to detect the page and see it can be indexed. Some search engines may watch our edit logs and detect it if any edit is made after the review (there are currently none) but I don't promise anything. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:13, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks PrimeHunter, it has appeared in the search engine I use now. Schminnte (talk) 14:58, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Finding sources on an article

I'm having trouble finding sources on Rawson Stovall, the first syndicated game journalist in the U.S. For example, I found an article on him in The Wall Street Journal on the Wikipedia Library, but said article is so old that I cannot find any copies of it online. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 10:10, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Sources don't need to be online. Just include the relevant parameters in the citation; usually easiest to fill in the appropriate parameters in the {{cite news}} template. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:16, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

I meant that I saw a record of the Wall Street Journal article on the Library, however, I couldn't access it from there - it was only a record of its existence. When I tried searching for it, I couldn't find any trace of it. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 10:36, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@Vortex3427 Have you tried asking at WP:RX? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:14, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

I found this article on him in the New York Times: https://www.nytimes.com/1983/06/08/us/youth-s-column-makes-him-popular-with-top-minds-in-video-games.html?searchResultPosition=2 Rogermx (talk) 15:40, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Authors in external links, bibliographies, further reading

Are books/articles and their authors given names and surnames in external links, bibliographies and further reading sections supposed to be mentioned in specific order? If yes should the order be the same for each section? If not is there a preferred order? Mcljlm (talk) 15:19, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@Mcljlm Good question. Some attempt at logical order would seem reasonable. I see no guidance at WP:EL. MOS:FURTHER says "usually alphabetized". And I think a bibliography like Historiography_of_Christianization_of_the_Roman_Empire#Bibliography will usually be alphabetized. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:33, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

In External links it seems logical that an item from a person/organisation directly connected to an article's subject should precede items totally unconnected. I try to include an item's original publication date {probably from being a retired librarian and archivist} and sometimes wonder if that should affect a list's order.

Is the order [title] by [given name surname] OK in External links though not bibliographies? Mcljlm (talk) 17:35, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Talk page

Hello there. I want to leave a statement on another users' talk page, but I have been endlessly figuring out on how to do so. How do I leave one? Wikipedian10282 (talk) 17:59, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. There should be an "edit" link at the top of the talk page, just as with articles, at least in desktop mode. 331dot (talk) 18:04, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

If the user's talk page already exists, you will usually find a "New section" tab. If the page does not exist, you should find an option to "Post a message to ..." when you try to read the non-existent talk page. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:06, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks both of you - much appreciated. Wikipedian10282 (talk) 18:11, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Problems editing a discography and adding a new title.

Column formatting problems. I am trying to add the 1975 single "Calypso" to the John Denver discography, https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/John_Denver_discography#Singles Packzap (talk) 04:13, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

"Calypso" is the "B" side to John Denver's single "I'm Sorry" and peaked at position #2 in the US Billboard Hot 100 chart in 1975. The problem is in getting the columns to line up properly as I don't have chart info for the other columns. The song is from the same album "Windsong". Packzap (talk) 04:25, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Is there a good resource on how to format these funky Wiki table columns correctly? Packzap (talk) 04:27, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

I'll sort of answer my own question (talking to myself in the tea house {grin}. I just noticed on the John Denver discography page, https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/John_Denver_discography#Singles that an entry was added to the bottom for "Charted B-sides" and contains "Calypso". Hence there is no need apparently to add it to the listing of singles farther up the page from 1975? Packzap (talk) 05:27, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

I tried adding an Endnote to the 1975 single "I'm Sorry" to alert readers about the B-side single listing of "Calypso" farther down the page, but all that came thru was a "carrot" symbol. :( How does one insert a proper Endnote? Packzap (talk) 18:48, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

What do you think makes a really good article?

Putting aside featured article and good article criteria, what other criteria do you think would make a good article that is fun and easy to read? CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 04:54, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm sure that there are many excellent math(s) related articles, but they'd be a lot easier to read if only I studied math(s) at university. ¶ Articles would be slightly more enjoyable if their creators avoided certain ponderous de facto conventions of Wikipedia writing. One among many: It seems that most writers will avoid saying that a building is on a road, river, etc when they can instead say that it's located on that road, river, etc. (And they always can.) To me, "located" seems to add nothing whatever; but it's clear that other writers are devoted to it. -- Hoary (talk) 07:43, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Imho the use of "located", and worse "hails from", is not a convention of Wikipedia writing, rather the reverse. I remove such expressions when I notice them. Maproom (talk) 12:19, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Maproom, I'd guess that the article New York City is about as carefully written and vigilantly watched as any. A quick count gets me nine superfluous tokens of "located". I'm too sleepy now to risk removing them myself; if you removed them, I've a hunch that most or all would be swiftly reintroduced. -- Hoary (talk) 12:55, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

I did it. Let's see how it goes. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 13:08, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

This is a good question, CactiStaccingCrane. I think it comes down to stakes: Who (or what community) is invested in the subject, why does it matter to them, and if the subject were slightly different, what would that mean for them or for us? These don't need to be explicitly addressed, especially the last one, but it's a question of uniqueness and importance. Looking at some random articles: William Rehnquist's lead says he is remembered as an important Chief Justice who changed the landscape of American law; Stage pin connector says it is a standard cable type for theatrical lighting in North America; Ghulam Mustafa Jatoi says his four sons are simultaneously present in all three Legislative forums, which is a record. Those articles all demonstrate that their subjects have unique, ongoing (or recent) importance. One of 'my' articles, Astri Aasen, has not been important in several decades, but I mention a scholarship in her name to illustrate her enduring value to Norwegian art, whether or not that is of great value. Not all articles have ongoing or recent importance, and that's fine, but for those that do, I find that to be part of why I read them and why I enjoy them. Urve (talk) 18:49, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Help with a submission

Could someone assist with my submission that needs to be more encyclopedic?

Here are the reviewers comments: This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject. WikiEditor242 (talk) 16:38, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Anar_Simpson — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiEditor242 (talk • contribs) 16:39, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Separate from that comment, there should be no hyperlinks in the article. You have included dozens, which all must be removed. Also, use her full name at first mention (first sentence), and thereafter only her surname. David notMD (talk) 16:54, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! WikiEditor242 (talk) 17:41, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@WikiEditor242 I don't understand what the "digital inclusion of women" is supposed to mean, in normal English words. David10244 (talk) 06:43, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Ah ok!

So digital inclusion means ensuring the benefits of the internet and digital technologies are available to everyone. Digitally-excluded people can lack skills, confidence and motivation, along with having limited or no access to equipment and connectivity. And for women that means very little economic opportunity.

I can re-word it in the article submission WikiEditor242 (talk) 17:46, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

I have now linked to the Wikipedia article on Digital Inclusion. Thank you for highlighting the need for clarification. WikiEditor242 (talk) 19:12, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Education level

I know that Wikipedia has some policy page that states a topic should be written for an audience that is one education level lower than the topic is commonly thought at. What is the name of that page? Thanks. PhotographyEdits (talk) 19:01, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, PhotographyEdits. I suggest that you read Wikipedia:Writing better articles, especially the section that can be found with the shortcut WP:AUDIENCE. Cullen328 (talk) 19:12, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Where to request edits on Wikidata and Wikimedia Commons? Also what are the Wikidata and Wikimedia Commons versions of Teahouse?

What page/pages can you request edits on Wikidata and Wikimedia Commons?

What are the Wikidata and Wikimedia Commons versions of Teahouse? Danstarr69 (talk) 19:11, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Commons:Help desk is the closest I know on Commons. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:29, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

d:Wikidata:Project chat is the equivalent on Wikidata. As for edit requests, on Commons you post on the talk page using c:Template:Edit request. I can't find any analogue on Wikidata though. Wikidata also has d:Template:Edit request. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 19:33, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Could Imdb be a helpful

Well can it be?, it's trust by almost everyone and I believe that is it rightful. Or The madnesscombat officals website?:http://www.krinkels.net Thegibuspyro (talk) 03:37, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Hey, there. According to WP:RS/IMDB, the Internet Movie Database is not really considered a reliable source. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 03:38, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Sometimes IMDb has the same content as Wikipedia; as IMDb is user-generated and has no visible history, it is impossible to easily know which came first. What I'm suggesting is that contributors to IMDb can copy content from Wikipedia, so no, not helpful.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 04:05, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@Sjones23 IMDB is considered unreliable because anyone can write whatever they want there. Errors might, or might not, get corrected by someone else. All "user-generated" websites are considered not reliable for that reason, including blogs. David10244 (talk) 06:57, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@Thegibuspyro I meant to reply to you, not necessarily @Sjones23, in my previous comment. Sorry about that... David10244 (talk) 06:59, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

No hard feelings. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 07:08, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello Thegibuspyro. I've used IMDB for clues to help improve articles about actors. If IMDB states an actor was in several well-known films I then start looking for published film reviews or movie reference books for a reliable source to show the person was indeed in the film. (I've only edited articles about actors working decades ago, so reference books are often helpful, if I know the names of films to look for.) Karenthewriter (talk) 13:37, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Karenthewriter makes an excellent point that also applies to other websites that are not themselves reliable sources for use on Wikipedia. This includes fan sites, hobbyist sites, blogs and sites like Quora and Reddit. These sites may say that something is factual and may mention an actual reliable source that can be cited, although you need to read that source first. Or the information there may provide clues that can be used to refine a search engine query to lead to actual reliable sources. Cullen328 (talk) 20:00, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Using newspaper/book scans

Hi there! I have newspapers/book articles critical to show the notability of a person about whom I want to write an article. I can scan it and upload, surely, but I'm afraid it would be copyright violation. To what extent can I use it? Thanks in advance. - KhinMoTi (talk) 18:38, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@KhinMoTi, see guidance at WP:OFFLINE. A weblink to the WP:RS is nice to have if possible, but not mandatory. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:52, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, KhinMoTi. Unless you are certain that the book or newspaper is in the public domain, then it would be a copyright violation to upload scans. This usually requires that the newspaper or book was published over 95 years ago. But it is not necessary that a reliable source be online in order to use it as a reference. Just cite the complete bibliographic information. For a book, that would be the author, the book title, the year of publication, the publisher, the page numbers, and the ISBN number. If you use Template: Cite book, you can also include a relevant quotation of a sentence or two, as well as a link to the appropriate Google Books page. Cullen328 (talk) 18:58, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

While these above answers are quite correct, there may be another option for online links. Newspapers.com. Generally speaking, wikipedians who qualify may obtain newspapers.com access at no cost through the fully searchable The Wikipedia Library and be able to create, modify, and link clippings from the thousands of newspapers available. Based on a cursory look at User:KhinMoTi's profile, they may well qualify for access to the library. In addition, there's a helpful resource exchange board here, where users with more and/or alternative access may assist folks who need sourcing help. BusterD (talk) 19:26, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for all your answers! KhinMoTi (talk) 21:10, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Article assessment classes

Hello once again. I created another article, Nigel Boddice which has been reviewed as C class. I have two questions: 1. I have added significant amounts of detail more than when it was reviewed, so when or how does it get rereviewed? 2. How much difference would I have to include to get to B class, or even A class/GA? Thanks again everyone. Schminnte (talk) 14:24, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@Schminnte Up to "B", these ratings are informal, and anyone who feels they understand the relevant guidance, in this case Wikipedia:WikiProject_United_Kingdom/Assessment#Quality_scale, can change the "This article has been rated as". You can change it yourself, if you think it's a good idea. WP:GA however, is different, you can read about that at the link. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:20, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. I would really like your opinion on the rating, as I'm quite a new editor and don't want to interfere with any processes that I might not fully understand. I would like a second opinion on the article's quality as, as I said, I have added much more content including an infobox and picture. It would be great if you could check it out. Thanks! Schminnte (talk) 15:36, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

That's a respectable position, walk before you can run etc. I've been editing for 10+ years, but this aspect of WP is not one I've ever looked into. Perhaps someone else seeing this will. If that doesn't happen, you can try asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United Kingdom. Or why not ask the editor who reviewed it:[7]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:48, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

For B class, there are six criteria that need to be met. The process for reviewing these criteria is informal and can be done by any editor. To get the article to a WP:GA, you have to get your article reviewed formally by another editor. A-class is not used much these days, but it is supposed to be given via a formal review process by the Wikiproject the article falls under. Most Wikiprojects do not have A-class review processes nowadays though. For more details, see Wikipedia:Content_assessment. 2601:647:5800:4D2:8CC2:482F:97D0:56AB (talk) 20:09, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

And what would your own opinion of the article's class be, if you could check it out I would be much obliged. Schminnte (talk) 22:00, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

New page issues

Hi there! Hope you're all well.

I'm creating a wiki page for up-and-coming actor/screenwriter Alex Lane (www.imdb.me/alexlane), am his assistant Julie. He has more than a handful of verifiable TV, film and commercial credits, and more.

The following issues are coming up:

• {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)
• {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)
• {{cite web}}: Text "Trailer" ignored (help)
• {{cite web}}: External link in |title= (help); Text "cite web" ignored (help)

Can anyone help, please? I'm new here. Alex is a really nice boss, and he is setting up a major TV series. Am just trying to do my job here. Appreciate any help I can get!!

Take care, Julie Cleanmean (talk) 19:55, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@Cleanmean: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Creating or editing an article about one's boss, while generally allowed, is one form of what Wikipedia calls a conflict of interest and has to be disclosed. As for the error messages, each of these has a blue link labeled "help" which should explain what the error is and how to fix it. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 20:16, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Victor!! Cleanmean (talk) 21:46, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@Cleanmean Hello! WP:TUTORIAL has guidance on how to add add references correctly. Recommended reading: Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing and WP:conflict of interest. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:17, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

See also Help:CS1 errors, for the page where all the help links mentioned above will link to. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 20:19, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Where the word "help" in the error message is in blue, this is a wikilink to specific help on that type of error. - David Biddulph (talk) 20:20, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

As well as the guidance on conflict of interest, referred to in one of the earlier replies, there are also further requirements regarding paid editing when you are editing Wikipedia as part of your job. - David Biddulph (talk) 20:24, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks David! Cleanmean (talk) 21:46, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Cleanman, issues like "missing or empty title" are easy to deal with. But Draft:Alex Lane has a more serious problem. To establish that he's notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article, you'll need to find and cite several reliable independent published sources with extensive discussion of him, and base the draft on what they say. The draft cites only two sources, and they tell us very little about him. That he is "up-and-coming" suggests that there may not yet be any acceptable sources. Maproom (talk) 20:47, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Julie, and welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately, you're more or less starting your Wikipedia journey by taking on the most difficult task there is - creating an article - and making it even more difficult by writing about a subject you are connoected with. Please remember that what you are doing is not "creating a wiki page for" Lane but writing a neutral encyclopaedia article about him. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. Neither of your current references says more than a few words about Lane. (The Filmthreats one says more about one of his films, but you are trying to write an article about him, not about Within). ColinFine (talk) 20:49, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@Cleanmean, "up-and-coming" is an expression which Wikipedia editors see as a red flag, because notability is conferred by being already covered in depth in reliable, published sources. See WP:TOOSOON to see why promoting "up-and-comers" is contrary to the purposes of Wikipedia. Quisqualis (talk) 21:21, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks all! This guy has film, TV and commercial credits, and just produced an A-list film. Am resubmitting with more info in place. Appreciate all your help!! Cleanmean (talk) 21:45, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Cleanman, as you have told us that you are Lane's assistant, you are contravening Wikipedia's terms of service by continuing to edit without first making the mandatory formal declaration of your status as a paid editor (See that link for how to do so). If you continue editing without making the declaration, you are likely to find your account blocked.

Once you have made the declaration, your first and only priority in working on your draft should be finding at least three sources, each one of which is simultaneously reliably published, independent of Lane, and contains significant coverage of him (see those links for exaplanations of what they mean). If you cannot find at least three or more such sources, then every bit of work you do on the draft will be wasted effort, because it will never be accepted into Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 22:11, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Introducing my parents/family to being a wikipedian

Hello! i have been a wikipedian for a while now and it's fun but my parents don't know yet, they use WP but don't like the editing aspect, my brother uses it the most and once said he would never have the guts to edit WP articles in case he makes a mistake, and my other brother doesn't think much of what he calls "wikifolk", he would be the hardest.

What would be a good way introduce WP maintainence to my parents? maybe sending them the WP:CANTBREAKIT? how do i explain to them that's its not all new articles and major edits? that you are free to fix any little mistake you see and revert vandalism? i'm a photog and my parents do know that so maybe i should introduce them to the commons first.

Or should i just straight up tell them i patrol and edit WP?

OGWFP (talk) 21:20, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@OGWFP Well, if you wanted to tell them I’m sure they wouldn’t mind, as Wikipedia can be edited by anyone. You may wish to tell them you edit, although not necessarily tell them the pages or your username? I personally have told people in real life I edit Wikipedia articles although I don’t tell people my username as I like to keep it separate. Blanchey (talk) 23:11, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@OGWFP And make sure that each person editing uses their own, individual account name. If any of you share a computer or other device, like a tablet or cell phone, everyone should log out of WP when they leave the computer (don't stay signed in and let anyone else edit using your usernane). Good luck! David10244 (talk) 06:56, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@OGWFP Hi. Your family should be aware of Wikipedia content disclaimer. One of the downsides of Wikipedia is that Wikipedia is not censored. Sorry. You can also learn how to hide an image (see Help:Options to hide an image). If you see something offensive or disturbing, you can even avoid visiting the article. When you visit an article, there is no warning template nor a rating system. There is a warning template on the talk page of the article. Cwater1 (talk) 05:25, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Cwater1: are you sure you posted this message in the correct section? The original question has nothing to do with concerns about how they feel about seeing certain material, a desire to avoid certain images, or the general idea of content-quality. DMacks (talk) 06:12, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

I know what the conversation was. I was pointing out a fact. Now I think about it, it was pointless what I said.Cwater1 (talk) 09:33, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @OGWFP. Here is a better reply. You can ignore what I said above. Anyways, there is nothing wrong with introducing your family to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is made possible by contributors like you.Cwater1 (talk) 09:52, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

lol bro they'll be fine trust me Jondvdsn1 (talk) 13:32, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

I would go ahead and bring up the subject. You can then address any specific concerns they may have about you editing. Draw up a list of all the positive things that you can gain from it and present them to your parents. I can think of far worse activities on the Web than this one. Good luck!!Rogermx (talk) 15:33, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia has ups and downs. we should focus more on the ups and not the downs.Cwater1 (talk) 00:11, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Log in

I have 2 accounts. While trying to log in to my 2nd one, I placed all the username and password precisely and correctly. However, it displayed an error message and would not let me log in. I hadn't even changed my password. What is happening? I am getting worried Persura (talk) 22:19, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

What error? Being vague here doesn't help you or anyone trying to help you. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 22:21, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

It displayed incorrect username or password despite me adding the correct password and username Persura (talk) 22:28, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Usernames are case-sensitive (minus the first letter); is it possible you unwittingly added a different case letter on the username? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 01:23, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Although the problem has been resolved now (must've been a technical or background error, i'm no expert in software), I wholeheartedly appreciate you taking the time of your day to help me. Thank you, and have a great week. Persura (talk) 02:21, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

maybe you used the username or password for this one Allaoii ^talk 22:35, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Essays

Hi! I joined Wikipedia a month ago, and I would like to know: how you do you make an essay in your user namespace? Thank you! Professor Penguino (talk) 01:34, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

You create a user subpage to host the essay (User:(username)/(subpage title)), and then you just write it. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 02:05, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! Professor Penguino (talk) 02:12, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I guess I didn't know how to create a user subpage. Could you tell me where I can find the option? Thank you so much! :) Professor Penguino (talk) 02:49, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Never mind! I figured it out! Once again, thank you! Professor Penguino (talk) 02:53, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

A protection filter: scirp.org prevents me from creating the page

Hi ! How to override this protection filter: scirp.org when I try to create the page War on COVID-19 ?

Here's the text of my article :

[article text removed]

-Etienne M (talk) 00:54, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Etienne M, welcome to the Teahouse. Remove the link to scirp.org. It's https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation.aspx?paperid=113299. See MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist/archives/September 2022#scirp.org for a discussion. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:08, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

That's a remarkable wall of text, Etienne M, but in no way is it a contender for an article titled War on COVID-19. Instead, it's more like Bibliography of the metaphor of a "war" on Covid-19, although this is only my first stab and I'm sure others here can improve on it. Incidentally, I wonder what "scientific" means here, and I'm surprised by the seeming lack of mention of the "war on drugs" and "war on terror". -- Hoary (talk) 01:10, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@Etienne M: I would seriously consider finding a different topic to write about - one that isn't under discretionary sanctions - as this area, as with every other one listed here, is not someplace an inexperienced user should be editing in right away. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 02:42, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks very much, PrimeHunter, the error indication had lost me, I didn't understand it but now it's ok.

Thanks Hoary for your contribution. Sorry if my level in english is bad (I'm French man). The title is in effect not the more appropriate (I thought this title: "War on COVID-19" to look like: War on cancer, War on coal, War on drugs, War on gangs, War on poverty, War on terror, War on women). Metaphor of War in the Covid-19 Pandemic would be more accurate, but other appropriate titles could also be found if you have ideas (Political militaristic communication in the Covid-19 Pandemic, or as the french article: Political rhetoric of War in the Covid-19 pandemic...)

About discretionary sanctions, Jéské Couriano, this new subject don't be a target because it doesn't deal with COVID-19 as medecine, but with Social engineering (political science) produced by political discourses introducing a lot of sanitaries mesures. It is an article I want be a humanities sciences contribution on rhetoric by scientifics papers.

--Etienne M (talk) 10:20, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Etienne M, two points. First, you say About discretionary sanctions, Jéské Couriano, this new subject don't be a target because it doesn't deal with COVID-19 as medecine. It very much would be a target. That's because sanctions apply: For all edits about, and all articles related to, COVID-19, broadly construed. Secondly, I don't think that anyone here will doubt that there is much literature about the war metaphor. No need for you provide any bibliography in any teahouse thread. -- Hoary (talk) 12:46, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Bonjour, Etienne M, et bienvenue au salon de thé. This is not an answer to your question, but a linguistic note: "in effect" is a faux ami for French speakers: it means almost the opposite of en effet. "In effect, A is B" means that A is not B, but may be treated as B for present purposes. A better translation of en effet is "actually" (which of course does not correspond to actuellement'!) ColinFine (talk) 14:01, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Hoary, I apologize to you for my lack of understanding. Thank you for giving me the precision that For all edits about, and all articles related to, COVID-19, broadly construed. Does this mean that one has no right to open a new article about Covid-19? Since no one doubts that there are many scientific studies focused on the subject, why should it be subject to sanction? I delete my examples of scientific literature to unclog the page, and since I don't have to prove to you the legitimacy of the subject.

Etienne M, no, you can start a new article related to Covid-19. However, the subject attracts so many crackpots, fanatics, and well-intentioned but gullible people who believe in the crackpottery, and the stakes can be so high, that drafts and articles have to be policed. If you're creating an article about, say, Cimabue, everyone hopes that you make no mistake; but if you do make a mistake then someone will fix it or amiably nudge you to fix it. Don't expect anything similar with a new article related to Covid-19. Jéské Couriano's advice was sound. You'd better get experience of successfully creating Covid-unrelated articles before essaying anything that's related to Covid-19. -- Hoary (talk) 03:03, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

ColinFine : I was mistaken, indeed ! I thank you for this point of language that I have not mastered. It reminds me of some old course already far behind me. I will strive to remember that translation of en effet! --Etienne M (talk) 14:28, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

How do I figure out what I'm good at contributing to?

Hello! I want to add to Wikipedia, but I'm not sure what I could contribute to, it feels like many articles that need help are stuff that's already been covered by others, or are not in my field of knowledge (or beyond what I currently know). Noilaedi (talk) 03:28, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

@Noilaedi: Surely there are subjects that interest you academically, professionally, or as a hobby. Look at some articles on those subjects. If you see vandalism, fix it. If you see a claim that needs a citation, find a reliable source and cite it. If you see spelling errors or grammar errors, or you can rephrase the prose in a more compelling (but neutral) way, then change it. Make small changes to start out. If a topic that interests you doesn't have an article, then go to WP:AFC and start one in draft space. See Wikipedia:Requested articles for a long list of topics that don't have articles. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:55, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, I will keep that in mind! Noilaedi (talk) 04:01, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

I need help how submit my draft for review

I need help how submit my draft for review Troba4 (talk) 04:24, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

@Troba4: You don't have a draft article. You have a page in your sandbox with no content. You need to write an actual article draft before you can submit it for review. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:32, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

How much should I wait till someone renames a category?

Hello everyone!

I requested a rename for the category which I just created. The rename is not because of a spelling error but it's a linguistic error anyway. How long it would take till someone does the rename? Because I want to add some articles to this category after rename.

Regards, Farooq (talk) 17:14, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Farooqkz, you can do it yourself by moving the page. See Wikipedia:Moving a page. StarryGrandma (talk) 17:34, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

It's a category so I cannot move it myself. Farooq (talk) 17:36, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Farooqkz: A user has moved Category:Uninvented electrical components to Category:Non-invented electrical components on your request. The name still sounds odd to me. It appears to be intended for examples of Category:Hypothetical technology. A better name may be Category:Hypothetical electrical components. How many articles do you have in mind and can you give examples? If it's just a couple then maybe you can use the existing category. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:51, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Yeah I was unsure about the name, too. "Hypothetical" seems better than "Non-invented" as it is also parallel with this other category you just mentioned. I currently know two pages which fit in this category(whichever its name is): Trancitor and Memristor. Both have been theoretically deduced but not invented, yet. Farooq (talk) 06:35, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter I think I will keep the current name for the category and add pages. We can decide on the category name later. I will add a section in category's talk page regarding this. Farooq (talk) 13:22, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Farooq, don't forget to add appropriate parent categories to this category before you are done. Categories on Wikipedia are nested within larger, less specific categories to form a hierarchy and it also demonstrates relationships so that this category doesn't remain isolated. Within fitting within the category structure, it's unlikely that anyone will come across it or knows how it relates to similar categories (whatever those might be!). Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:29, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Yeah thanks for reminding. --Farooq (talk) 04:59, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Source with markup like [[rfc:9110]]

Source [[Banana]] renders as Banana, a link to the "Banana" page.

But source [[rfc:9110]] renders as rfc:9110, an external link to https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc9110

Just curious, where can I find documentation about this behavior?

Thanks, netjeff (talk) 05:13, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi netjeff, welcome to the Teahouse. See Help:Interwiki linking and meta:Interwiki map. The latter has the entry RFC //tools.ietf.org/html/rfc$1. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:26, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Controversial Reddit communities

•  Courtesy link: Controversial Reddit communities

r/sex should be added there. I asked properly with age and details about how to have sex as a gay-bisexual men with other men as a bottom and it was automoderated to be removed, and after getting it appealed by messaging a subreddit mod, an anonymous mod perma banned me and made any excuses to not allow my post to be posted in their subreddit because there was no 'women' involved and 'only men having sex with other men' topics.

All Reddit has to say is I should find a different subreddit and doesn't care if I get offended by them banning me because I was posting a homosexual sex topic. 110.235.179.231 (talk) 07:51, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

No one has ever told anyone about r/sex being homophobic. Try searching "gay men", "gay", "male vibrators", and "pegging" no less than two years. It seems like the old subreddit mod was taken down by a new homophobic moderator, and was replaced with a new one by using a subreddit that gives you admin access after a moderator was inactive for a long time. 110.235.179.231 (talk) 07:55, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

You haven't even explained WHY it should be in there. It's not controversial just because YOU were discriminated against. Ray 08:25, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

@Raymond Kestis, the Teahouse is supposed to be "A friendly place where you can ask questions." You could have just pointed out that some good WP:RS about r/sex would be needed. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:17, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

I apologize if my message came off as openly aggressive. Relating to the topic, I can't seem to find any reliable sources relating to why the subreddit should even be on the list. In addition, this user lists being discriminated against as their only reason on why it should be there. Ray 09:22, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:31, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Reviewing Time

Hello,

I have created this draft (Draft:Anna Pasternak) and submitted it for a review. It's been a while and no one has reviewed it yet. How come it takes so long? I have asked Wiki projects too. How can I help to speed up the process? Thanks Forgetwords (talk) 10:04, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Forgetwords Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. As noted on your draft, "This may take 3 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 2,695 pending submissions waiting for review." Reviews are conducted by volunteers, doing what they can when they can, in no particular order. Please be patient. There is nothing that you can do to speed it up. I see that you declared some kind of conflict of interest- if this is your job, please make the stricter paid editing disclosure(click for instructions).

Just noting that we don't need the whole url when you link to another Wikipedia article or draft; simply place the target page name in double brackets, as I did here. 331dot (talk) 10:08, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

If you haven't, check in the "Review waiting" template where it says "Improving your odds of a speedy review". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:23, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

image upload

I was task to upload images of our church in the edit of our arcticle. How to do so? Jamkressa (talk) 13:03, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello Jamkressa, and welcome to the Teahouse. You can upload free pictures at Wikimedia Commons. If it is a non-free file, you can use File Upload Wizard. Follow the instructions to help you upload the image. Good luck! Sarrail (talk) 13:06, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Jamkressa, and welcome to the Teahouse Freely licensed pictures of the subjects of articles are always welcome, and as Sarrail says, you can upload them to Commons. Please make sure that they are free to reuse: if you took them yourself, then you have the legal power to donate them as required, but if they are not your personal photos, then the copyright owner is the only one who can make that donation, and they should upload the pictures themselves, or follow the procedure in donating copyright materials. Despite what Sarrail said, it is very unlikely that a non-free picture will meet the criteria in the NFCC and be accepted by Wikipedia.

The fact that you said you were "tasked" to do this indicates that you have a connection with the church - I assume it is Church Body of Christ - Filipinista. If that is so, you need to read about editing with a conflict of interest, and you should stop editing that article directly. If you are in any way employed by the church, then you are a paid editor, and you must make the formal declarations required (see that link for the details). This is the most urgent thing you must do.

Once you have done that, there is another thing that is much much more important than uploading pictures. The article has essentially no sources. (It has one, but that says nothing about the Church, just that it has registered with the SEC). At present, the article does nothing to establish that the Church meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, which depends not on what it is or does, but on what has been published about it by people unconnected with it. I have had a quick look, and failed to find any independent sources at all, but I have only looked in English. What somebody needs to do, in order for the article to remain in Wikipedia, is to find several sources wholly unconnected with the Church, that write about it in some depth. (These may be in Cebuano, if there are no English sources). If there are no such sources, then the article should be deleted. If you find suitable sources, Then you should make edit requests on the article's talk page for these sources to be added.

The article will probably then need to be rewritten to be based on what the sources say: Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. But finding the sources is the first, essential. step. ColinFine (talk) 14:39, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

@Jamkressa, Welcome! WP, and the sister-site we keep most pictures on, Commons, are both very careful about copyright. You can upload pictures you have taken yourself here, but you can't upload pictures taken by others. That's the short version, but basically sound. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:40, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Two global accounts.

Is it allowed to have 2 user accounts? I have 1 user account that I use for the english wikipedia and 1 user account that I use for the norwegian wikipedia. I never mix the 2 accounts. When I established the norwegian user account it was my understanding that it was local. Turns out it is global. Hawol (talk) 14:43, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Hawol, see WP:SOCKLEGIT. As long as everyone knows you are controlling both accounts, and you don't participate in normal sock activities, you should be fine. Sungodtemple (talk) 15:27, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

I understand. Thanks for response!--Hawol (talk) 17:07, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

DYK Nomination Question

If a DYK Nomination was posted before 7 days after promotion to GA, But it has not been reviewed and the 7 days have passed, What happens to that DYK Nomination. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 16:29, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

@PerryPerryD The nomination stands and in most case will eventually be accepted. See Template talk:Did you know, which currently has some not-yet-approved articles going back to some nominated last September. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:14, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Fermurin

A Fermurin is a Giant bat like monster From LoverCraft. Fermurins can live in Kentucky,Antarctica and Madagascar. A Fermurin Is A LoverCraft Character. Fermurins Live In Hosterland. A Fermurin is a species of bat or monster. Fermurins go Extinct from Dinosaurs and Predators. Fermurins Are About to 46 Meters. Fermurins Do Like a Hastur,Nyarlathotep and Cthylla. Fermurin Is In Cthulhu. Fermurins would be scary. User123636 (talk) 13:17, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Is this a question, or a statement about Fermurins? Sarrail (talk) 13:20, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Wow, I now know what a _____ is, but this is the Teahouse, where you ask questions about using or editing Wikipedia. Do you want an article on a _____ Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 18:08, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Reference questions

Hi all. Apologies -- I'm totally new to Wikipedia. Been trying to put together an article in my Sandbox and it was not accepted when submitted -- the reason was that the references "do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject". I'm thinking (hoping) that the basis for this is that the most appropriate references I created are not "reliable" because I can't seem to create links to the articles in the original publication Massachusetts Lawyers Weekly -- a professional publication that is only available online via subscription. I suppose I could create images of the articles that I could share somehow, but they are copyrighted material, so I'm not sure how to proceed. I suspect that others have had this problem and apologize if it's been asked a lot of times before. Any help appreciated! Henry01301 (talk) 21:28, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Henry01301: Thanks for your question, and thanks for taking the matter of sourcing your article seriously. Obviously it is good to have a link to an online version of a source where possible, but it is not required. Where the source is behind a paywall, there are a couple of options open to you. If you can actually get a URL, but it requires subscription, then you can mark it as such: see the description at Template:Cite_journal#Subscription_or_registration_required. The other alternative is just to not have a link. This is often the case when citing a book, for example. The source still needs to be reliable, independent of the subject, and give significant coverage of the source.--Gronk Oz (talk) 21:40, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Henry01301: Looking over the article, which is at Draft:Wendy Sibbison, it is coming along nicely, especially for your first article. It still needs to be edited for tone. At the moment, it is written in quite a promotional way: for example, the opening sentence says that she "carved out a specialty in appellate litigation" instead of simply saying that she specializes in appellate litigation. Similarly, beware of statements like she is "likely the first to [do something]" unless a reliable source says that she is likely the first; it is not up to Wikipedia to make a judgement on matters like that. This is mostly a problem in the lede section; the body of the article is better at being neutral statements of fact.--Gronk Oz (talk) 21:53, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Henry01301 What Gronk Oz said, but when you cite a book, you don't need a URL, but you need to fill out the citation template with the publisher's name, the book title, page number, etc. WP:REFB has a link to the Cite Book template. David10244 (talk) 06:53, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks David10244 and Grok Oz -- I appreciate the help. I need to rework a number of things with this piece. I may well be back for more help. Do you know how to contact a "mentor" for Wikipedia? I seem to remember seeing something about that but have lost the reference. Do you recommend having a mentor? Again, thanks for the support! Henry01301 (talk) 21:23, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

hello

ive heard that the coffe lounge from esperanza failed but is there anything similar you could recommend? Allaoii ^talk 22:05, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Allaoii. Is this a question about editing WIkipedia? If not, then this is not the right place for it, because this page is for new Wikipedia editors to ask for help and guidance in doing that. ColinFine (talk) 22:14, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

the isnt anywhere else to ask this where i might get an answer Allaoii ^talk 22:23, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@Allaoii This is the Coffee Lounge from WP:Esperanza. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 22:18, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

stop lieing Allaoii ^talk 22:22, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@Allaoii I'm not; read the link above. The Teahouse is the Coffee Lounge's direct descendant and fills the same role it did. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 22:25, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

what link and i read the afd for coffee lounge it was a chat room Allaoii ^talk 22:27, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

If you can't see the link in my message above I'm not going to waste more time yelling at a brick wall. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 22:32, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

nvm thought you meant something else now please reply to the other part of my message Allaoii ^talk 22:34, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

hi @Allaoii! the closest thing I know of to a socialization place like the former coffee lounge is the #off-topic channel of the discord and #wikimedia-social ^connect and #wikimedia-offtopic ^connect in IRC, both in external, unaffiliated places. happy editing!

i should probably check out and be more active in IRC too 💜  melecie  talk - 23:00, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

actually i just remembered something that could work but its never been used can you tell me how to get it going?

to find what im talking about go to department of fun and scroll to activities its the campfire one(im sorry i dont know how to do links) Allaoii ^talk 03:27, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

If you're lucky you might even see someone send a message in one of these channels! ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 07:08, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

what? Allaoii ^talk 20:54, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Nothing, just an offhand quip that those aren't always the most active channels. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 20:55, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

im trying to get this one more active how can i do that? Allaoii ^talk 21:45, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Add a page talking about me

Hello, i am asking if is ok if i create a Wikipedia Page about me (obviously without possible advertising systems such as sites and so on) like https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/example Can i do it? Thanks OverloadedTechDev (talk) 21:02, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello. That entirely depends on your notability, and if you can avoid a Conflict of Interest. In most cases, unfortunately the answer is no, due to Advertising, COI, and Un-Neutrality. However, If notability, Neutrality, No Coi, and No Advertising is used, The article would be allowed. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 21:04, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Also, the conflict of interest would have to be declared on your user page. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 21:05, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for the reply. In a short answer if i post a page about me even if i am not so much known to the world but i don't enter links like advertising (example social network asking to get followed or a website) but i remain completely neutral talking about me as what i did in my life and nothing else it would be ok? OverloadedTechDev (talk) 21:46, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

@OverloadedTechDev, if you want to create a Wikipedia article about yourself, no, that would not be okay. Those must be based on significant coverage in reliable, independent, secondary sources. If you just want to create a user page with some information about yourself in relation to your Wikipedia editing, that is allowed - see here for more information. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:55, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

No. Wikipedia article subjects must be notable in some regard. The guidelines are clear. If you believe you are notable according to these guidelines, there are procedures you can use to request an article be written here and here, but you will not be allowed to write it yourself due to the conflict of interest (well, you're allowed, but once someone else notices the conflict it will be reverted quickly). WPscatter ^t/_c 21:59, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for the clarification now i understood how this works

Thanks again OverloadedTechDev (talk) 22:04, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Current sources

How do I find more non-contemporary sources for Rawson Stovall, an article I am working on? As far as I know, the only source backing up his main assertion to notability, which is that he was the first syndicated video game reviewer in the US, ( I have added plenty of references, though, so he easily meets GNG) that isn't primarily based on an interview is the PC Gamer source. Surely, this would result in plenty of coverage on this fact. Most of the useful sources I've found are all from the 1980s. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 07:48, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Vortex3427 and welcome to the Teahouse! I would go and check with the Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities or Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing. If you are eligible for use of the Wikipedia Library, I would look there. Happy editing! Helloheart (talk) 01:27, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

how to edit

How to edit 99.45.217.53 (talk) 23:35, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello 99.45.217.53, and welcome to the Teahouse! Here's a helpful page to look at. Sarrail (talk) 00:00, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello IP user and welcome to the Teahouse! At the top right section of every Wikipedia article, there is a hyperlink that says "Edit." Press that, make your edits, provide an edit summary, and press "Publish changes." There you go. Helloheart (talk) 01:32, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Feedback on Draft Sandbox

I have started a new page for film producer, Kerry Heysen - looking for some feedback on the draft before I submit to ensure it is within the guidelines - or to change things as needed to be accepted. Thanks!

User:Gemmasalomon/sandbox Gemmasalomon (talk) 02:37, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Gemmasalomon – Before your draft gets sent to the mainspace (that is, the article space where any reader can see it) its subject needs to be notable. The general notability guideline states that articles require significant coverage in multiple, reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Your draft is mostly sourced to IMDb, which unfortunately is classified as generally unreliable here. You do have a citation to The Sydney Morning Herald—but alas, it only covers that she won an award. It looks like the sources need to be more reliable… see Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources for a general list of reliable and unreliable sources. Thanks. — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 03:00, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Draft Rejected

I keep getting declined on this page https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Troy_Guard and I don't understand why. He is a notable figure, the facts are supported by reputable third parties, all sources are "from "magazines, journals, and news coverage (not opinions) from mainstream newspapers." per the Wikipedia guidelines. I am basing my submission off another notable Denver chef of similar renown, Lon Symensma, and cannot see any difference in the two submissions, yet I keep getting rejected. Please help. SJSchiffer (talk) 01:04, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

I'll look at one sentence. That first endeavor has, over time, turned into TAG Restaurant Group, a successful restaurant company housing all of Guard's concepts, including quick-casual, better bowls Bubu; modern Mexican Los Chingones (with sister fast casual concept Little Chingones); breakfast spot HashTAG; and neighborhood bistro FNG. "Concept" seems to mean "restaurant chain". I guess that "quick-casual" and "fast casual" mean "fast food" or "short order", but "better bowls" just mystifies me. "Sister" seems to mean "similar" or just "another". I don't know how a "neighborhood bistro" differs from a regular bistro. Nothing like this appears in the (feeble) article Lon Symensma. And all of it is based on one article, which is based on an interview. Not good. -- Hoary (talk) 03:22, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

H.O.R.G. - notable enough?

I've found a subject that I think would be good for a brief article. I've made several edits to existing articles, but this would be my first new article, so I'm very excited at the prospect! It's certainly not the most important topic in the world, but it's been written about in at least three published, reputable media sources, as well as being heavily cited in an article published in a peer reviewed journal of medicine.

H.O.R.G. conducts pseudo-satirical research and classification of various types of bread clips. I would contend that it's a notable subject due to it being an intersection of methodologically rigorous scientific parody and unintended practical use. Additionally, if bread clips are considered notable enough to have their own Wikipedia article, it seems like H.O.R.G. ought to qualify as well.

A username can have spaces? (talk) 02:31, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

HORG is a research enterprise whose taxonomic and other achievements have long impressed me. But you may be confusing (A) notability with (B) what Wikipedia calls "notability". The latter welcomes vast quantities of trivia (dresses, fictional guns, etc); taxonomic accomplishments, not so much. Well, specify the best "three published, reputable media sources", and then we can evaluate HORG's "notability". -- Hoary (talk) 03:30, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

How do Renumbering in a simple wikitable?

Today, I added a village into List of villages in Nakodar tehsil. Since it was #47 alphabetically, I had to manually re-number from there to #147. Very time-consuming. Is there a better or easier way to do this? JoeNMLC (talk) 19:24, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi JoeNMLC. {{Row numbers}} can be used but it's messy, works poorly with some tools like VisualEditor, and you first have to convert an existing table to use it. In your example I would actually remove the numbers unless they are used as designations in official documents or something like that. Pinging Premeditated Chaos who made the list. Who cares whether Dhaliwal is number 47 in an alphabetical list of selected villages written in English? It isn't even an official or large language of the area. The only use I can think of is being able to easily see the total number of villages but listing 147 numbers to provide one number is too much. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:24, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi User:PrimeHunter, tonight a did ce, chg wikitable to numbered div col with rules / solves problem of manual numbers in wikitable. While looking at List of villages in Bhojpur district as an example, I uncovered a bug with the "Div col|colwidth=15em|rules=yes". For rules=Yes, the rules do not display. So need to use lower-case letter "y". JoeNMLC (talk) 02:16, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

FWIW if I remember right I copy-pasted the list from a table from some census document and didn't bother to remove the numbers. I also don't care about the formatting really so whatever change works is good. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 03:16, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@JoeNMLC: I'm not a fan of the list solution. The numbers still seem useless. The table could have been made sortable by population with one word (change wikitable to wikitable sortable). A list cannot be sortable. If further data like List of villages in Vazhapadi taluk is added then a list is poorly formatted compared to a table. The population already lacks vertical alignment. It's not so important currently but it does make it harder to spot large villages. Lists work better when there is only one piece of data. A good thing about the list is that you can have multiple columns when screen width allows it. Template parameters are usually case sensitive and {{div col}} does not claim to support Yes so it's not a bug to only support the documented yes. Some templates use the more fancy {{Yesno}} to support many forms of input but it's not required. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:50, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

how does the canvassing rule work

I'm currently being accused of canvassing, and I still don't know a lot about Wikipedia:canvassing rules, so I came here to get help, here in the brackets are a list of edits I've done that may be canvassing ([8], [9], [10], [11], [12]) and tell me which ones are violating and which ones are not and walk me through why, I really want to know, just so I can avoid doing so in the future. 4me689 (talk) 23:26, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

@4me689 Who are you trying to bring into the discussion and why? Are they users you believe will agree with you? That's canvassing. It's best to avoid picking specific users to join a discussion or RfC to build a consensus. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 23:33, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

@4me689: at WP:ANI you wrote "I am very very very very sorry, I will stop trying to canvas". And here you are, still canvassing. 23:54, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Maproom, your signature is broken... Sarrail (talk) 00:01, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

how am I canvassing here 4me689 (talk) 00:02, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Canvassing. And yes, you have been canvassing. David notMD (talk) 04:35, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

What should I do with this redirect issue?

Last month, a new article called Activities of Daily Living was created, which replaced a redirect to Activities of daily living. Links to the latter, such as this template (before I fixed it), now go to the article about the book.

What's a good course of action here? Fix all users of the old redirect? Move the article? Frogging101 (talk) 03:59, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Frogging101: The most appropriate thing to do may be to add a disambiguating hatnote to each article, which I have just done. Alternately, the novel could have a disambiguation in the title, such as Activities of Daily Living (novel), but I think that's unnecessary with the hatnotes.

As for other redirects, they should be targeted to one or the other article as appropriate. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:39, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

I've fixed the other redirects. There were only three left. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:45, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank! Frogging101 (talk) 04:51, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Waiting for a page to be published

I am still awaiting for my page Draft:Mr. Dutch to be published. It has been a few months and I have not been notified of any problems. GabrielleNSmith (talk) 09:17, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

• @GabrielleNSmith: I left a message on your talk page regarding paid editing.

The draft has not been submitted for review, therefore it will not get reviewed. You could submit it by clicking the button, but in its current state I am sure it would be declined.

You need to provide sources that demonstrate Mr. Dutch is a "notable" singer under Wikipedia’s definition of "notable". The most likely appropriate sources are independent reviews of his songs/albums. Interviews, podcasts etc. where he speaks are useless for that purpose (they are not independent). If you cannot find any such sources, stop working on the draft immediately, it is pointless.

Furthermore, the draft contains super-promotional language (renowned, Bursting onto the scene, brought the Afro Cyborg to life, flourishing talent in the lead section alone). But that can be fixed after you found sources.

Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:45, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Tigraan Noting that it was [13] submitted for review. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:15, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

As of 15 November, Draft:Mr. Dutch submitted, declined, edited, submitted, declined edited, submitted. David notMD (talk) 12:34, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Page translation in English

hello, I would like to translate an italian page in English but i don't understand how. Can you help? thanks you! Alberta Orlando (talk) 13:57, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Alberta Orlando, welcome to the Teahouse. Instructions are at Help:Translation. English Wikipedia's standards may be quite different from those at the wiki you're translating from - you may want to spend some time reading up on our sourcing standards. We also tend to be more picky about using inline citations. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:50, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Draft declined

FYI

 – created section header. — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 14:38, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello! I had my article declined due to lack of reliable sources. However, I have added at least 15 sources (wikipedia ones) and more than 15 references to highly reliable webpages. I don't understand what I am doing wrong... Ltsassistanteliamep (talk) 14:16, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Loukas Tsoukalis - 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:45, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Ltsassistanteliamep, and welcome to the Teahouse. Judging from their titles and sources, most of the references in Loukas Tsoukalis are not independent sources. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. Which of your sources are all three of reliable, independent, and containing significant coverage of Tsoukalis.

Also, judging by your user name, I must ask if you are connected with Tsoukalis? If you are, you have a WP:conflict of interest. If you are employed by or for him, then you are a paid editor. Neither of these prevents you from editing, but they do place restrictions on what you may do. Please raad those links carefully. ColinFine (talk) 15:38, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Steward

What is a steward on WP? Additionally, what is a checkuser and how do you become one/ (kuvxira) (talk) 15:53, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @(kuvxira), welcome to the Teahouse. The answers to your questions can be found here and here. Stewards are a sort of universal administrator; check users have access to special tools which are used to help detect and prevent abuse of the platform. Both are positions of high trust and require a lot of experience and demonstrated reliability before they're bestowed on anyone. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:05, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you IP. (kuvxira) (talk) 16:09, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Renaming an article

I have found an article (Cetomacrogol 1000) about a chemical that uses the tradename instead of the chemical name, without a corresponding article for the chemical name. Should I move the article to the chemical name? I know that PubChem uses Cetomacrogol 1000, but I'm not sure what wikipedia should use. Balnibarbarian (talk) 14:42, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

On the other hand, it seems that wikipedia or pubchem may have copied each other. Balnibarbarian (talk) 14:49, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

The general answer is given by WP:COMMONNAME: what do the bulk of the reliable English-language sources call the substance? Since the article cites no sources at all, it's hard to tell from looking at it, and it is entirely possible that the chemical does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and the article should be deleted.

Looking in Google books for Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL and Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL seems to indicate that both are widely used. ColinFine (talk) 15:51, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! I'll check these. Balnibarbarian (talk) 15:58, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

I agree that it doesn't seem notable, and have tagged it with {{prod}} as NN. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:11, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Improving article

The subject's biography is also available on Wikipedia in Nepali and Maithali languages. By getting in touch with the writer and using information from the Nepali language Wikipedia, I attempted to update it in English. I read the author's works, and I sought to inform the reader about his works rather than giving a biography. I want assistance. Thanks Chitkarm (talk) 14:56, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Nawa Raj Subba Sarrail (talk) 15:00, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

An article in English Wikipedia about a person should be biographical, and should be almost entirely based on reliable independent sources which contain significant coverage of the person. Works by the subject, or that are written or published by the subject's associates or institutions, may have limited use as primary sources, but they do not contribute to establishing that the subject is notable, and the bulk of the article should be based on independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 16:43, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Draft:PaykanArtCar

Hi, I created a draft article https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:PaykanArtCar and it has been declined as the following reason:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are: in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements) reliable secondary strictly independent of the subject This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

I just wanted to ask for help before editing it further. My questions are: 1. I have included multiple sources from big published including e.g. Washington Post, ART News, The Guardian. In my opinion, these articles met above requirements but I could have been wrong and wanted to know if they are qualified. 2. If you have time to review one or two sources, can you point me into the right direction of which example in the draft is qualified and which isn't? (I understood external links or the PR should be removed) 3. Is there any other room for improvement that I should considerate when editing it for resubmission? 4. What is the minimum number of qualified sources I should have in the article to be accepted?

Thank you very much for helping! KP070707 (talk) 11:19, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Editors have reduced length by 1/3 in attempts to improve the focus of the article. You can resubmit to see if a different reviewer has concerns. David notMD (talk) 12:53, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a million @David notMD. Appreciated it! KP070707 (talk) 17:32, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Draft declined

Hello, I received help yesterday on a submission that was declined. I made all suggested changes (he went through my sources line by line), and it was rejected again. I made further changes and checked all of my sources again, and they do comply with the standards. It was rejected again. Any advice would be welcome before I resubmit. https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Troy_Guard SJSchiffer (talk) 15:53, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@SJSchiffer I made a couple of very small copyedits, but in my opinion, the article is in good enough shape and sources are pretty substantial. I think this article is fine. I added a comment on the Talk Page. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 16:56, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Pyrrho the Skipper Thank you very much for the assistance! SJSchiffer (talk) 17:37, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Muscab ahmed qadaawe

Full name : muscab ahmed ismail qadaawe

Born: april 2007

Place birth name  : burburis DDSI Ethiopia Muscab ahmed qadaawe (talk) 12:52, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Muscab ahmed qadaawe, and welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia. I don't know why you have posted your name and place of birth here, but I'm guessing that you think it will some way cause you to be "listed" in Wikipedia. I'm afraid that Wikipedia doesn't work like that. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, and has articles only about subjects that meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability.

You may put limited personal information on your User page - your case User:Muscabahmedqadaawe (the link is currently red, because that page has not yet been created). But you should read Advice for younger editors before you post any more personal information anywhere. ColinFine (talk) 13:21, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Muscabahmedqadaawe in fact, you might want to get rid of the information you just posted here. Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 18:24, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

How to request an article.

I want to know if there is a specific way to request an articles' creation. I don't believe myself experienced enough to create an article, so is there anyway to ask someone else to do so? Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 18:01, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Club On a Sub 20. Please see Wikipedia:Requested articles but be sure to read the Preliminary note near the top. Cullen328 (talk) 19:36, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

thank you Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 18:37, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

How to delete an article?

I saw earlier that there is a way that editors can vote to delete articles. I found an article Al Qaida Al Nooraniya that I want deleted. How do I start the vote? Ghost of Kiev (talk) 15:22, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Ghost of Kiev, and welcome to the Teahouse. You can hold the page up for WP:CSD, or follow the deletion process. Sarrail (talk) 15:29, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

ok thank you Ghost of Kiev (talk) 15:37, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Why is my name red at the end of my comments but your name @Sarrail colored bright blue? Is there a way to change my name color? Ghost of Kiev (talk) 18:52, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Probably because your "redlinked" userpage doesn't exist. You can create one, simply by clicking the "Create source" button. It should automatically do it for you. If you would like to change the color, go to "Preferences" and scroll down until you see "signature". If you know how to do it, go ahead; otherwise, see Wikipedia:Signatures#Customizing your signature. Good luck! Sarrail (talk) 18:55, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

How do I get my name to become purple? I typed purple on my userpage but this did not make my name purple Ghost of Kiev (talk) 19:00, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

If you paste this

[[User:Ghost of Kiev|<span style="color: purple">Ghost of Kiev</span>]] [[User talk:Ghost of Kiev|(talk)]]

into the Signature section in Preferences, then your signature then should show as purple. Sarrail (talk) 19:04, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Test ::::::[[User:Ghost of Kiev|<span style="color: purple">Ghost of Kiev</span>]] [[User talk:Ghost of Kiev|(talk)]] :::::: (talk) 19:05, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Test again [[User:Ghost of Kiev|<span style="color: purple">Ghost of Kiev</span>]] [[User talk:Ghost of Kiev|(talk)]] (talk) 19:05, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

test again Ghost of Kiev (talk) 19:06, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ghost of Kiev (talk) 19:06, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Hey, no problem. I'm glad it worked out, third time's a charm. Sarrail (talk) 19:07, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Question about the draft ? Please advise how to improve it.

Hello :) I wrote an article about an open source software product for live video streaming. It is my first article ever created, and I would like to ask for help regarding the improvements. It has been a long work for me, and I would like to make it beautiful before publishing it. Thank you. Here is the draft: Draft:Datarhei Restreamer TronJavolta (talk) 16:13, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@TronJavolta You are going to have to find sources that are independent and reliable to establish notability for your article. Right now, your sources are mainly user-generated content such as wikis, and blog content. Unfortunately, sources like that generally do no help establish notability. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 16:35, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Pyrrho the Skipper

Thank you for your Input. I will work on it and improve it. TronJavolta (talk) 19:44, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

What lock to put in a protected article?

Hey y'all. The article 2022 missile explosion in Poland was put under semi-protection. Due to edit-warring regarding the title, I successfully pleaded for the article to also be move-protected as well. The problem is that only one lock is allowed on an article, and the little blurb that you get when you hover over it only gives an explanation for one of the locks. Which lock should be put in: the move-protected lock or the semi-protected lock? Knightoftheswords281 (talk) 22:36, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Knightoftheswords281, welcome to the teahouse. I would probably put in the semi-protection lock, as that has a larger effect on readers and new editors. Hope this helps. Thanks, echidnaLives - talk - edits 23:35, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Move requests on rapidly developing articles

I added a move request template to an existing renaming discussion. I then realized that the template says that it "may be closed 7 days after being opened, if consensus has been reached". Considering that this is a rapidly developing current event, was this the wrong process/template to use? Frogging101 (talk) 22:26, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Frogging101, welcome to the teahouse!

If there is enough support, the article may be speedy moved. This means it will be moved before the 7 days. However, this doesn't usually happen. But don't worry, you requested it through the right process. You will probably just have to wait for the discussion to end.

Hope this helps! If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask. Thanks, echidnaLives - talk - edits 23:41, 15 November 2022 (UTC).

Hi There, Newbie Here

I am currently using some of my downtime working through Terry Pratchett's Discworld series to figure out the best order to read them in. Hopefully by Xmas I will share this on the correct page.

The other thing I am trying to do is save our civilisation from the ravages of climate change. I have even written a book about it.

1/ Is it too cheeky for me to produce a Wiki page on my book?

2/ If possible could I add a copy of my book so it could be read or even downloaded, for free?

3/ I am planning a Youtube video to support my proposal and I was wondering if I could tap some of the Wiki contributors for some facts and some pictures? Possibly to actively contribute themselves. Of course all provenance will be given.

4/ I am saving up to advertise on LBC in the New Year and would be chuffed if I could direct listeners to Wikipedia for further data.

If it helps with your consideration of my cheek I can email a PDF of my book for perusal.

Climate Change is an existential threat to the vast majority of species, including our own. This is my version of gluing myself to a motorway. If you are not actively involved in dealing with this emergency then you are passively condoning the end of life as we know it. no pressure... Baz cargo (talk) 21:46, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Baz cargo, welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that most of this is not appropriate activity to be conducting on Wikipedia. An article on your book could be written if there are reliable, independent, secondary sources which have produced significant coverage of it - professional reviewers, prominent climate change organizations, etc. Do you know of any? If you want to donate a copy of your book to Wikisource, that might be an option for you. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:56, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Baz cargo. Your opinion about the best order to read a book series is original research, and we have a core content policy, Wikipedia: No original research. As for an article about your book, please read Wikipedia:Notability (books). I have a friendly suggestion for you. Keep in mind that this is a worldwide project. The word "chuffed" is very rarely used in the United States, and a large majority of Americans do not know what LBC is, although we are quite familiar with the BBC. As for pictures for your video, the majority of images on Wikipedia are freely licensed and can be used freely for any purpose as long as they are attributed properly. Cullen328 (talk) 01:14, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Repeated Information

Hi there. While I am not new to Wikipedia, I cannot seem to find any links or policies on repeated information across pages. For example, would it not be simpler to to use a "see also" or "main article" tag? Hope someone can point me in the right direction. Maxwell King¹²³³²¹ 01:02, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Maxwell King123321 and welcome to the Teahouse! If a section in an article has an existing article on that same topic, then we put a main article tag on the section. A see also section would be used for similar articles and are related to the subject. (If you want to learn more about "see also" sections, you could check out my Wikilink there.) I think that your question is in relation to a "main article" tag, so I will leave it at that. Feel free to respond with any follow-up questions. Happy editing! Helloheart (talk) 01:26, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Maxwell King123321. Wikipedia articles are generally expected to be written in a summary style as much as possible. Some repetition of content is perhaps unavoidable, but excessive repitition is almost never necessary for the reasons you give above due to Wikipedia's way of allowing related articles to be internally linked together. Sometimes, perhaps, an article appears to be "too short" to someone and they feel that "expanding" it with content taken from other articles would help "flesh it out"; unfortunately, that can sometimes lead to other more serious problems than repetitive content, and such articles can fly under the radar for quite some time before being noticed. The only thing I can suggest is that it's OK to be WP:BOLD if you feel there's a way to improve articles by removing repetitive content. Just leave a clear edit summary as to what you're doing and why. You can even follow up with a more detailed explanation on the article's talk page if you want. You should, however, be aware that not everyone might agree with your assessment. So, if your attempts at improvement are reverted by another, use the article's talk page to discuss things and explain why you feel changes need to be made. "Addition by subtraction" is, in my opinion, one way to improve an article, but some users are always going to feel that "more is better". -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:31, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

JavaScript

How can I do to enable JavaScript? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MDmulwa (talk • contribs) 03:59, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, MDmulwa, and welcome to the Teahouse! Follow the instructions under Wikipedia:User scripts. Sarrail (talk) 04:01, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Notifications

There is a problem with the notifications tool icon for displaying notifications, how can you help me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MDmulwa (talk • contribs) 06:15, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello @MDmulwa, welcome to the Teahouse! What's your problem? echidnaLives - talk - edits 06:32, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Where to report possible vandalism?

A user User: Doluipritam19 frequently vandalising Sport in India, I told him, not to do unexplained edits, over linking. He frequently removing relevant 'Portals', He should be warned for this type of behavior. See this [14], The man should be banned for editing. he removed info without providing edit summary,Here [ http://en.m.wiki.x.io/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1121679464]], he never provided it, [ http://en.m.wiki.x.io/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1121679464] . Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 08:38, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Rock Stone Gold Castle, Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism is the place. And take the time to read the instructions. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:33, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Rock Stone Gold Castle, you provide three diffs that allegedly show "vandalising". I clicked on two of them. I saw no vandalism. Together with this older thread, this gives the impression that you're oddly keen to see vandalism where there is none. Please don't go to WP:AIV: doing so would be a waste of your and other people's time. -- Hoary (talk) 12:43, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary:, Hi, but someone should tell him, that you have to provide edit summary, don't add dup links.Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 14:18, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Rock Stone Gold Castle, if you think that somebody should do something, consider doing it yourself. -- Hoary (talk) 23:01, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

User: Hoary, You should research the sub before telling me. I told him number of times, whenever I reverted his edits but he did not listen and be civil. Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 06:49, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Unable to create my first article

I wanted to create my first article, but I don't have the options to do so when I clicked on the red text. It only allowed me to create a draft...is there a specific requirement you have to meet when creating articles? (kuvxira) (talk) 19:08, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi, (kuvxira)! Accounts on the English Wikipedia have to made ten edits and existed for ten four days before being able to directly create articles. This is partially to prevent spam and partially because it is very difficult for a newcomer to create an article – there are a lot of content policies that apply and are difficult to handle without more experience, so it's recommended newcomers spend more time working on other parts of the encyclopedia first. If you'd still like to create an article right now, you should see the Your first article guide and then you can submit it as a draft, and if it is ready for mainspace it will be moved there for you. Hope this helps! Perfect4th (talk) 19:30, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

(kuvxira), you have at least 15 edits. The only thing you need to do is to wait 3 more days. In addition, your account will be autoconfirmed at the same time. Sarrail (talk) 19:32, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Cheers. (kuvxira) (talk) 20:12, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Perfect4th: There may have been a typo when you said "ten days", as the requirement for being autoconfirmed are "... at least 4 days old and have made at least 10 edits ...". - David Biddulph (talk) 07:22, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

You're quite right, I've struck and fixed it. Thanks! Perfect4th (talk) 07:32, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

How to edit a title of a page

I can't find the "move" button that many pages were talking about. I would like to edit a title of a page due to misspelling. Nattility (talk) 11:55, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Nattility, and welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia. Moving pages is not available to very new users: you will become autoconfirmed and be able to do so once your account has been in existence for four days, and made ten edits. In the meantime, you can request the move at WP:RM#TR. ColinFine (talk) 13:18, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

@Nattility Welcome to the Teahouse! You won't find it until you are WP:AUTOCONFIRMed. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:19, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Nattility, in the article Jakkaphong Jakrajutatip, you changed the spelling of her name to "Jakapong Jakrajutatip". That is not how the sources cited in the article spell her name. Wikipedia policy is to use the form of the name that is most commonly used. So I have reverted your change. Maproom (talk) 13:52, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

First GAN

I just made my first GAN. Where will I be notified when it is reviewed? Ricciardo Best (talk) 14:41, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

@Ricciardo Best: A bot will give you a notification on your talk page when somebody has started the review (which, unfortunately, may take a while, but maybe you can use the time to fix the issue related to the {{Excessive detail}} tag; such tags are disqualifying for GA status). Next time you nominate an article, please follow the instructions at WP:GAN/I#N2; in particular, it is better not to edit Wikipedia:Good article nominations as a bot will do that automatically. —Kusma (talk) 14:54, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

@Kusma: I've cleaned up the {{Excessive detail}} section. --Ricciardo Best (talk) 15:15, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Email

How can I access webmail? Please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MDmulwa (talk • contribs) 15:05, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

@MDmulwa, Wikipedia does not have an email service - there is no webmail to access here. If you attached an email address to your account, you will get emails at that address, and will need to sign in per their policies. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:25, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi MDmulwa. It's not called webmail but if you want to use Wikipedia's mail features then you must already have an email address somewhere outside Wikipedia and save it at Special:Preferences. See more at Wikipedia:Emailing users. If you do really mean webmail then try entering the end of your email address (the part after @) as an Internet address in your browser. This can give webmail access for many email services but I don't know yours. It's not a Wikipedia feature. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:45, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

New article

Hi again. I hope on creating an article about a website. When writing the name for the article, should I add .com next to the name or leave it out just as the name? Thanks. (kuvxira) (talk) 22:47, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @(kuvxira), welcome to the teahouse!

The .com won't make a difference technically, but I would only use it if it's part of the companies name. For example:

Reddit doesn't use the .com, because people don't call it reddit.com, just reddit. But Booking.com does use it, because people call it that and not just "booking".

Hopefully this helps. Let me know if you have any more questions. Thanks, echidnaLives - talk - edits 23:32, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much! (kuvxira) (talk) 23:41, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, kuvxira, and welcome to the Teahouse. The answer, according to WP:COMMONNAME, is whatever the reliable independent sources that you are basing the article on call it.

I noticed you asked a question above about when you can create articles directly, and I was going to reply to that, saying that while you would shortly have the technical abillity to do so, I would very strongly advise against it; then I looked and saw that you have created a draft about a species, Draft:Myrtillocactus schenckii, and I suspect that taxonomic articles are probably a lot easier to get right (though I am dubious whether LLIFLE is a reliable source, as it seems to be user-generated).

But if you are proposing to create an article about a website, then I will give the warning I intended: Creating an article is in most cases much much harder than it looks, and we delete hundreds of new articles every day. You may encounter some frustrations submitting a draft, but you are likely to find it even more dispiriting having an article moved to draft or even deleted. ColinFine (talk) 23:45, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

This explains it much better than I did. Thanks, echidnaLives - talk - edits 00:16, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Colin. I very much appreciate the fact that you took your own personal time just to help me and give me an answer. This is why I love this place! (kuvxira) (talk) 00:57, 16 November 2022 (UTC) ^^

Indeed. I've just made some edits to the draft and will push it to article space shortly. Good start, (kuvxira)! - UtherSRG (talk) 16:02, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Wow! Thank you so much! (kuvxira) (talk) 16:34, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Help from an experienced user or admin

Can an admin or experienced user provide us with input at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Establishing a guideline outline preferred dimensions (aspect ratio) for images in the inboxes for biographies and elections to determine whether refactoring would be appropriate to a lengthy thread. I fear at this point that the lengthly thread might have been a successful implementation of a deliberate tactic by another user: antagonize and steer a conversation to great length so that it'll discourage others from contributing to the discussion in order to sabotage the chances of a proposal they dislike getting any consensus. SecretName101 (talk) 16:00, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Your proposal was posted a little more than 24h ago, so it is quite early to declare it has been sabotaged. Also, I am not convinced you can complain in good conscience about the length of the thread, when first post (for a rather simple proposal) was a whopping 3385 bytes.

That being said, I will collapse the "more heat than light" part of the discussion, while leaving the substantial part. I hope that both you and AndyTheGrump (which whom you definitely should have made aware of this Teahouse thread) will find it reasonable. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 17:29, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

(forgot to ping SecretName101) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 17:33, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Warning about Undisclosed Payments for Creating Wiki Page

Dear Wiki Editors: I recently had my accepted my Wiki article on Vincentian musician Frankie McIntosh accepted by the Wiki editor Devanian Wombat. However, the editor ONE1596 put up a Warning Heading regarding the possibility of “undisclosed payments” and that the article on Frankie McIntosh may need “clean up.” 

I assure you that I received no payments from Frankie McIntosh, the subject of the article, or anyone else. The page was written completely gratis by me. Is there a form I must sign to confirm this? 

I do not believe I violated Wiki’s “neutral point of view” policies. The laudatory language regarding McIntosh’s work as a music arranger does not come from me. These are published, direct quotations from well-regarded Caribbean Music critics Dawad Philip (Amsterdam News), Nelson King (Caribbean Life and the Vincentian), and Les Slater (Class Magazine). The final paragraph on McIntosh’s accomplishments comes directly from the remarks at the ceremony where he was awarded an honorary Doctorate from the University of the West Indies (as reported by Nelson King in Caribbean Life). I included these quotations as a way of summarizing his accomplishments and establishing his notoriety through outside sources. Are these quotations not appropriate? If so, I will remove them.

I would greatly appreciate your advice regarding anything else that needs to be done to “clean up” the article. This is my first attempt at a Wiki article and would like to get it right!  I am not sure about the best way to communicate with you is.   I just removed the Warning Heading and tried to explain the situation to ONE 1596 when I clicked “Publish Changes” after editing out the Warning. Is there another procedure I need to go through?  t My user name is: Raylaur15. Looking forward to your advice and thanks for your time.

Raylaur 15

Frankie McIntosh Raylaur15 (talk) 14:45, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Raylaur15, and welcome to the Teahouse. The way that Wikipedia articles get developed is that somebody makes a change, and either everybody else accepts it (and possibly makes further changes) or somebody else reverts it. If this happens then the proper course for the first editor is to open a discussion with the reverting editor, and anybody else who is interested. This process is explained in WP:BRD.

In your case, after Devonian Wombat accepted your draft as an article, Onel5969 looked at it, and tagged it with {{COI}} and {{UPE}}, because in their opinion the article had those problems. You reverted their edit (which you are entitled to do, though you confusingly asked them to do so, in your edit summary), and it is up to One15969 to discuss it with you if they think it should still apply.

Your statement on the talk page that you have not received payment for the article is adequate: you do not need to "fill out any form". But since you didn't know to ping One15969 (or Devonian Wombat, for that matter) they may not have seen your post on the talk page - I have pinged them here.

You have done nothing wrong, but rather than a long defence here and on the talk page, it might have been more productive to ask One15969 what it was that led them to think that you had a COI or were paid. (I do not believe you have stated whether or not you are connected with McIntosh, i.e. whether you have a COI).

Note that both Wombat's acceptance of your draft and One15969's insertion of the tags, are expressions of their opinions as Wikipedia editors: other editors may agree or disagree with either of them. Unless there has been a discussion which has achieved a consensus, no editor "speaks for Wikipedia". Having said that, they are both experienced editors, with demonstrated understanding of Wikipedia policies. ColinFine (talk) 16:40, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Raylaur15 - if you are not connected (that is, you do not have a CoI) how did you arrive at the exact '19 August' birth date, and how were you able to take a close-up image? (The image you are claiming as your own work) And from where did you obtain the 1997 Commemorative Stamp? Posted this here as nothing is ongoing at article Talk.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 16:56, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

And I'll respond here as well, rather than separating this from the article talk page (or conversely, someone can move this discussion there). And thanks for the ping, ColinFine. There are clear indications of COI/UPE editing on this article. No one is saying the article is not notable. Devonian Wombat is one of our best and most accomplished AfC reviewers, and I do not disagree with their assessment. However, that does not alleviate the need to deal with the COI/UPE issue, which is why I marked the article reviewed, and then added the tag. Might I suggest that Raylaur15 read WP:UPE and/or WP:COI, and follow the steps necessary to deal with the issue. Once that is done, and not until then, should the tag be removed. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 17:13, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello ONE5969: Thanks for your explanation. I have now added a COI statement at the head of my article. Does that now comply with Wiki protocol?

I would greatly appreciate it if you would remove that original banner suggesting that I might have received undisclosed payment for writing the article, which I did not. As noted, I received not payment for the article from McIntosh or anyone else.

Please let me know what if anything else I should do. As mentioned, this is my first Wikki article and I want to get it right!

Again, thanks for your quick response. Any additional advice much appreciated.

Raylaur15 2603:7000:8106:B298:AC0A:75C8:FFF4:B952 (talk) 19:08, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks you for your reply ColinFine. I have now added a COI tag to my page and alerted ONE5969. I'm totally fine with that.

At this point I would really like the banner suggesting undisclosed payment be taken down. There was none, and I think that hangs a cloud over the article.

Is there anything else I can do about the financial disclosure banner?

thanks again,

Raylaur15 2603:7000:8106:B298:AC0A:75C8:FFF4:B952 (talk) 19:21, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Now my COE Page Banner has disappeared, and the nondisclosure of payments banner is still there.

Can you tell me what to do, or ask ONE 5969 to do something?

thanks,

Raylaur15 2603:7000:8106:B298:AC0A:75C8:FFF4:B952 (talk) 19:40, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

IP editor, please sign into your account and read the talk page. I've attempted to explain things there. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:41, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm afraid I have some further bad news, Raylaur15. You have uploaded C:File:Frankie Stamp 1997.jpg as "own work"; but while the photo may be your own work it is clearly a C:COM:derivative work, and so subject to the copyright in the original stamp. I cannot find anything in either C:COM:Stamps or C:COM:Saint Vincent and the Grenadines which says that a SVG stamp is in the public domain, so I'm afraid that your picture is a copyright violation, and I will be calling for its deletion from Commons. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 23:18, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Honestly, it's hard to believe that a National Stamp is not in public domain. I would argue that if there is no evidence that it is copyrighted, we should assume public domain. 2603:7000:8106:B298:B1BD:E509:62B7:23A9 (talk) 18:05, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

I should also point out that the image of the stamp is all over the internet. In any case, if there is strong consensus, I will take it down. 2603:7000:8106:B298:B1BD:E509:62B7:23A9 (talk) 18:11, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

IP editor, on Wikipedia, the assumption is that things are copyrighted unless evidence is presented to the contrary. Being all over the internet is not evidence of any particular licensing status. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:12, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

@Raylaur15 If you can find evidence that the stamp is public domain (which I doubt) then please provide this at Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Frankie Stamp 1997.jpg or the image will be deleted soon. "Consensus" is irrelevant as this is a Wikimedia policy not subject to debate. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:19, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

What Can I Do

Hi nerds. Just wanted to ask what I can do to help wikipeidia. I'm pretty new so I'm just trying to live it up. Dab me up yo. 198.72.29.131 (talk) 15:16, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello 198.72.29.131, and welcome to the Teahouse. See Help:Introduction on how to edit constructively on Wikipedia. Also see WP:AGF, WP:NPOV, and WP:BOLD. Sarrail (talk) 15:27, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Consider registering an account. General advice is gain experience improving existing articles before attempting to create an article. David notMD (talk) 18:16, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

I am guessing that the computer you are using is at I. E. Weldon Secondary School, and has been used over the years to vandalize articles. If you are serious about contributing to Wikipedia, having an account would mean your edits would not be mingled with vandalism by others. David notMD (talk) 18:20, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

How can I review Wikipedia drafts?

I was wondering if anyone knew how exactly you get a "job" reviewing drafts, and approving articles, do you need a certain number of edits? Or do you just have to submit a form of some sort, if anyone knows, I would appreciate an answer. Dandertuts (talk) 15:40, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Dandertuts, welcome to the Teahouse. AfC reviewers are the folks who review and approve drafts; the instructions and criteria for participation are here. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:47, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

P.S. It's all done by volunteers. No $$$$. David notMD (talk) 18:21, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Review of a draft

Hi, I've revised this page for Draft:Aditya Tiwari which is a stub about a queer poet from India. Editors, please see if you can help get this approved? The topic was declined from inclusion some time ago because they did not meet the notability guidelines. but, note that there is now a different set of sources in the draft, so I think it would be OK to give it another review. Plushwiki21 (talk) 17:27, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Well, as far as I can tell, the article has to be more expanded, and has to meet the WP:NOTABILITY criteria. Sarrail (talk) 19:12, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Plushwiki21: You have submitted it for review, and it will be reviewed in due time. Please don't post to various places asking for preferential treatment. Thanks, --bonadea contributions talk 19:19, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Why do they need a Wikipedia page?

Because they only needed a page so that he could be working with that page. Fileman67 (talk) 01:53, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

@Fileman67 Was this a response to the section above? echidnaLives - talk - edits 02:53, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, the section could be working very good. And very very hard but I only need my first article. Fileman67 (talk) 02:59, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry, Fileman67, but I have no idea what you are trying to say here. Are you asking a question of the Teahouse? ColinFine (talk) 13:13, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

I think this article looks fine. I created the Reach for the Light single article. Fileman67 (talk) 17:57, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

That article is a mess. The longest paragraph is ungrammatical. And out of three references, one is a Wikipedia article. I'm not sure how that article got in. Uporządnicki (talk) 18:45, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

@AzseicsoK, the article was created by the OP, without going through AfC, several hours ago. That's how. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:49, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and draftified it as it is definitely not ready for mainspace. All 3 sources are marked as generally unreliable (really 2 since there is no reason why you should be using Wikipedia as a source) and the main section was really hard to read. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:50, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

I've redirected to the music section of the movie. If reliable sources are found to establish notability the article can always be created. If there's only limited sourced information about the song, a sentence or two can be added to the music section. Slywriter (talk) 19:33, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Help with creating article

I tried publishing a biography of a Nigerian Music legend it was declined. If there are ten Nigerian musicians today who should be on Wikipedia, the artist in question should be one of them. I need help to get it done. Newyorkgm (talk) 16:40, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

@Newyorkgm: Hello Newyorkgm! First, I suggest you read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS which states that just because another article on a similar subject exists on Wikipedia does not mean that your specific subject is notable. Second, I suggest you read the notability criteria for a musician to see if your subject is notable enough to have an article. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:44, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Maziyke for those curious ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:46, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

The references list is a right mess, so I didn't spend much time checking the sources. But I checked two: neither mentions Maziyke. Maproom (talk) 22:09, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

How do i create a list?

Hello...

I want to write a list on an article, but don't know how to list..is there a sort of template I can use? (kuvxira) (talk) 16:54, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

You mean like this? Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 17:38, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

I think they mean a list article. There's no standardized way to write a list article though. RPI2026F1 (talk) 18:14, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

@(kuvxira): I see you made a poorly formatted list [15] and reverted it. For data like this with two values per entry we often use a table. See Help:Table. You can also click edit at Waorani language#Vocabulary to see an example. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:18, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much. (kuvxira) (talk) 19:19, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

There was another problem with the list you put into Waorani language, kuvxira, which is that it was unreferenced. While the policy doesn't insist that everything in an article is cited to a source, it does require that everything be verifiable, and reviewers now tend to take that view that since you must have a published source for the information, why don't you cite it? ColinFine (talk) 22:02, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

I was going to cite it directly after I finished completing the list, but out of frustration I gave up altogether. (kuvxira) (talk) 22:11, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Help in formatting the title to submit a draft article for Woollahra Digital Literary Award?

HI I created a draft in the Sandbox, and I am not sure how to title it so that I can submit it for publication? It is for the Woollahra Digital Literary Award?

Thank you for your help! LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 00:02, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi LoveElectronicLiterature. Don't worry about it. If the reviewer accepts a submission then they can decide a title. If you really want to set a suggested title yourself then you can move it to Draft:Woollahra Digital Literary Award. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:10, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

what is the first 17 values of pie

Pi 106.201.141.118 (talk) 07:47, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

3.14159265358979323. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 07:48, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Round it up to 3.14159265358979324 if you want to use it as a numerical constant. -- Doktor Züm (talk) 01:47, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Ask Google (not Wikipedia:RD, that would be a waste of time). Better yet, scroll down to the external links section. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 07:50, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

See Pi, in the infobox at the top right. Maproom (talk) 08:30, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

If, instead, you meant "pie," then I propose Apple, Blueberry, Cherry, Peach, Pecan, Walnut, Pumpkin, Key Lime, Lemon, Lemon Meringue, Rhubarb, Strawberry, Sweet Potato, Raisin, Chess, Shoofly and Turtle Pie (does not contain turtles). See List of pies, tarts and flans for more. David notMD (talk) 12:30, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@David notMD No, peach and pecan come right before cherry. David10244 (talk) 06:29, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Request for another reviewer

Based on the comments from the original reviewer of the article I submitted, I'd really appreciate it if someone could assist me with the comments:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

As far as I can tell the work of the person has be recognized and covered by reliable secondary sources so I am confused as to why he feels this is not adequate for a wikipedia entry. Especially when compared to a colleague like Emily Agard who is included in Wikipedia. WikiEditor242 (talk) 19:01, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, WikiEditor242. A person is presumed to be notable when they have received significant coverage in published sources that are reliable and entirely independent of the person and their employers and various affiliations. The article should primarily summarize those specific sources that meet those three standards. Most of your references are not independent. Plus, some of your sources are blogs, which are generally not considered reliable sources. Either find better sources or trim the content way back and remove the poor sources. As for Emily Agard, that article did not go through the Articles for Creation process. It was written by an autoconfirmed editor and moved directly into the encyclopedia without review. The English Wikipedia has over 6.5 million articles and over one million have major problems. We do not want more articles with significant problems. Cullen328 (talk) 19:22, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Anar Simpson. It's not clear to me what you think she's notable for. Maproom (talk) 22:19, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

For bringing a STEM program to more than 100 countries and thousands of girls....all through advocacy, partnerships and collaboration. WikiEditor242 (talk) 23:08, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

@WikiEditor242, that does not confer notability as Wikipedia defines it. In the end, all that will matter are the sources you can produce. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 23:16, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

ok, I give up! WikiEditor242 (talk) 23:28, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

I mean those awards clearly recognize the efforts and are legitimate sources... but somehow Wikipedia editors feel that "The awards do not appear to be notable so confer zero notability". WikiEditor242 (talk) 23:30, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Awards are not sources. However, an argument is made in that an award is given to the person. There is, however, a question of notability of the award and the significance of the award. It's also generally common sense that awards, even if they are significant, are not a basis for the article itself. Rather, independent, reliable sources must cover the person given the award. Ray 00:17, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

[B]ringing a STEM program to more than 100 countries and thousands of girls is noble, but Wikipedia does not factor good (or bad) deeds into its inclusion criteria. We care only if a subject has been written about in news or scholarly sources, doubly so if they're still alive. Or, to put it more succinctly, Wikipedia's definition of "notable" is stricter than the layman's definition. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 02:55, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Much of the content is not referenced, but this is moot if references do not confirm notability in the Wikipedia sense of the word. Awards are considered notable if the awards are subjects of Wikipedia articles - for example Academy Awards. David notMD (talk) 03:12, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @WikiEditor242. Just read your draft article, and thought I'd offer a mini analysis.

Very well written. I'd prefer more citations, but ok. Wow, "over 100 countries and tens of thousands of girls." Sounds like a good basis for an article.

But then I looked at your sources. 1) A university newsletter. 2) A list of board members. 3) A web bio, possibly self-written. 4) An industry newsletter. 5) A list of panel members. 6) A list of award recipients. 7) Another list of award recipients. That's all?

Based on this info alone, she hasn't yet achieved notability, as Wikipedia would define it. How are her contributions any more significant than, say, those other board members? Should they all have articles? Why have the mainstream press not written about her? How significant are those awards really? (I've won several awards merely by being better than really lousy competition.)

A quick web search turned up nothing to improve the situation. I agree with the other commenters: better sources needed. -- Doktor Züm (talk) 03:47, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Contributions

Hi! Some time back I signed up recurring small contributions. I use wikipedia enough that I felt I should help a little. But, even though I have ongoing monthly contributions, I keep getting nags to make a contribution.

Not really a question, unless that would be why am I being nagged to do something I'm doing. FrogEggs (talk) 05:47, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

@frogeggs: i'm pretty sure wikipedia doesn't nag you do edit wikipedia. are you talking about banners? you can shut those off in special:preferences#mw-prefsection-centralnotice-banners. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 05:52, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm referring to the periodic fund-raising ads. FrogEggs (talk) 05:43, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

@frogeggs:They could editors willing to help you edit because you are new to Wikipedia. SpyridisioAnnis (talk) 09:17, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm sure this is related to WMF's fundraising banners. David10244 (talk) 06:50, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Help to creating a page and dealing with self citations and COI

Hi,

I am new to this space and desperately need help! I have created a draft page on pregnancy-related anxiety (Draft:Pregnancy-related anxiety) but am having difficulties in getting it approved. We have included a broad selection of research on the subject but my colleague and I are one of only a few leading researchers in this field so it looks a little self serving (ie too many self citations). Is there any advice you can offer?

Robyn Brunton (talk) 01:37, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

@Robyn Brunton: I must ask, what is your objective in publishing this article on Wikipedia?

You seem to have a variety of sources, but as the comments indicate, we have a high threshold for sources in biomedical articles. Just being published in a peer-reviewed journal isn't enough. See WP:MEDRS for guidance; in particular note the difference between primary and secondary sources. We avoid primary sources, which I imagine how your own works would be characterized. I agree also with one commenter that it has the flavor of an essay. The "Overview" section doesn't need a heading, and isn't an introduction; rather, it should summarize the main points made in the body of the article. A reader who just reads the lead section should come away with an idea of what the rest of the article says. See WP:LEAD for guidance. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:31, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Thanks for taking the time to help. Our main goal is to raise awareness of this anxiety. While we have published in peer-reviewed journals and books this doesn't always reach everyone. It was suggested to us that Wikipedia would be a good option to raise awareness. While we can address the style issues if we can't meet the self-citation hurdle there is no point continuing, which is a shame. I feel that we have met the threshold for biomedical articles by using good quality resources but the issue is too many are ours (Brunton & Dryer). Robyn Brunton (talk) 02:42, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a forum to raise awareness. That said, at Pubmed, a search on pregnancy-related anxiety, limited to reviews, yields many articles. For example PMID 26626973. Can you verify the text of the draft using review references versus your own work? (Trust me, you are not the first research scientists to have this problem). David notMD (talk) 03:30, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

If you succeed, you could add a referenced summary of the anxiety issues under Management in the Pregnancy article, with a link to your article. Or abandon the draft and be satisfied with adding the summary. Pregnancy gets more than 70,000 visitors per month, so that would satisfy your "raise awareness" intentions. David notMD (talk) 03:37, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

I agree with David notMD, @Robyn Brunton:. Wikipedia absolutely must never be used as a publicity platform. An article topic must be notable on its own without the benefit of exposure on Wikipedia. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:43, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you both, you have been very helpful, Pregnancy article may be the best option. Robyn Brunton (talk) 04:05, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Citing original research papers in medical articles is not good. Citing papers you've written yourself is not good. Maproom (talk) 08:15, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Word-wrap toggle for watchlist and version histories

Is there a way to toggle the wordwarp in watchlist or version histories? Some users employ a lot of super long edit summaries in a short period of time. Depending on what I'm doing those either help or hinder, so a toggle would be a welcome tool NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 08:25, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Source not available online

Sir I what can I do if I have strong sources of a subject but they aren't available online especially books. Isparki (talk) 01:54, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

If you cannot find anything reliable about a subject, do not write about it. Wikipedia articles require those. Mitch199811 (talk) 02:06, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

However, if they are offline then they are ok. Mitch199811 (talk) 02:07, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

@Isparki: reliable sources don't have to be online. As long as the source is verifiable (say, for example, by going to a library and looking it up), it's fine. If it's a book, see if you can link to a quoted passage in books.google.com. You should be aware, however, that not all books are reliable sources. Just because something is in print doesn't mean it's reliable. The reliability of books should be considered on a case-by-case basis. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:21, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

General guidance at WP:OFFLINE. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:53, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Do we have a tool to remind users they are banned from other user's talk pages?

As veterans likely know, before we can post a DS alert to a user's talk page, there is a pop up that reminds us about proper use of DS Alerts. My aging brain has led me to make an error which might have been saved by a similar tool..... This has to do with filtering user talk comments to test for "banning".

Do we have a filter which allows users to curate a list of people they have banned from their talk pages, so that forgetful people on the list (especially after the passage of time) get a reminder before posting to those talk pages again?

The drama that leads up to these sorts of impasses is bad enough. Add the passage of time to innocent forgetfulness, and there is a potential for avoidable more drama. A tool such as I described can't do anything about the former, but it might save a lot of pain from the latter.

(If you care inspiration for this question is found here.) NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 08:53, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Fundrasing for Wikipedia

Hello - I have had an email from wikipedia telling me about the New Zealand fundraiser and asking me to donate. I have donated in the past - BUT - these days I am too concerned about spam emails to simply click the button and transfer money --- Can u confirm if this is for real or is a hoax please 60.234.100.64 (talk) 02:40, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello IP! Unfortunately this is very real. If you want to continue donating to Wikimedia (not Wikipedia, the money actually goes to the Wikimedia Foundation) feel free, although they already have plenty of money. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:42, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

I found more info here. Mitch199811 (talk) 02:47, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Mitch199811. That's a revealing document. Almost ⅔ of the people listed there are concerned with raising funds (that they don't need) rather than with making life easier for us poor drudges who actually build the encyclopedia. Maproom (talk) 08:22, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Only two thirds, Maproom? To me, it looks as if virtually all of them are concerned with raising funds. (To what degree the funds are needed is something I haven't looked into.) But the "Principal Major Gifts Development Manager", for example: if he were instead free to make life easier for a poor drudge like me, I really wouldn't know what to ask for. Actually I sometimes think that the biggest problem faced by Wikipedia is that in certain very populous nations (let alone the smaller ones), there are few if any reliable general online sources: everything seems to be PR garbage, credulous interviews, or other sycophantic crap. These nations undoubtedly have scientists, musicians, etc who are notable in the normal (non-Wikipedia) sense of the word, but these people may have to make their names in one or other "developed" nation before they can get written up in those nations' "reliable sources". However, diverting Wikimedia's excess funds to setting up and running websites by and for thinking people in other nations could be a hard sell. -- Hoary (talk) 09:19, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Socorro, Brazil

Why does the page on Socorro, Brazil not mention the major Vale mining disaster that happened there? 38.18.123.250 (talk) 11:32, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

It is not clear which disaster you are referring to, nor which article? Mariana dam disaster is referred to in Mariana, Minas Gerais, and Brumadinho dam disaster is referred to in Brumadinho. Are you referring to some other disaster? - David Biddulph (talk) 11:41, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Sensibo - Rigged Deletion Discussion

I came across Sensibo and then saw that in July 2015, there was a discussion to delete and the result was keep. Only 2 people voted and they both voted keep. One of them was banned for UPE and the other was blocked for being a sock puppet... Anything to do here? Re open the deletion discusion? Should I post this on another noticeboard? If so, which one? MaskedSinger (talk) 10:27, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sensibo

@MaskedSinger Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! Both editors were blocked after the discussion was closed, with the former blocked in 2020 and the latter in 2019. I would say you probably do not need to do anything about it, but you could go ahead to open another deletion discussion if you think that the article meets the criteria for deletion. Jolly1253 (talk) 10:49, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi MaskedSinger. If you feel the article doesn't satisfy WP:NCORP or WP:GNG, you can renominate it for deletion via WP:AFD. Before you do so though, you might want to look at WP:BEFORE and WP:PRESERVE for some general guidance and assess whether deletion would be the only option worth considering. If you feel the user who closed the previous AFD did so in error, you can follow the guidance given in WP:CLOSECHALLENGE and discuss things with them and explain your concerns. If you do decide to discuss things with the person who closed the AFD, try to remember WP:CIVIL and WP:AGF. The AFD was closed in 2015 which was a few years before the two accounts who participated in it ended up being banned or blocked; so, it would probably not be wise to say they closed a "rigged deletion discussion". -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:51, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

I don't know whats the best way to proceed. That's why I posed the question. MaskedSinger (talk) 10:56, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

I suggest ignore the past and decide whether the article as it exists today should remain, be improved, or be nominated for deletion via AfD. David notMD (talk) 12:22, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

How can I view notifications in Minervaneue style?

Hi, I want to see my notifications but I only see alerts and that too only the number. I cannot find where and what they are. I suffer this problem only in Minervaneue skin. Can someone help? PrathuCoder (talk) 11:55, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

@PrathuCoder I don't see an immediate way either, however, you can always see all alerts and notifications at Special:Notifications. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 13:51, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Why was my article creation declined although having 35 references to the business group?

I had added a new article about a notable business house with more than 35 links that prove their strong business presence but the article got rejected instantly was it because the references mentioned had nepali languages Bibek Chalise (talk) 10:55, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Bibek Chalise Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't see where you were told that was the reason for rejection- sources are free to be in a language other than English. I also don't see where you have 35 references- I only see four. Your draft was rejected because it does not summarize what independent reliable sources chose on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia defintion of a notable company. It's very close to being a clear advertisement- do you have an association with this company? If so, please read conflict of interest and paid editing for information on required formal disclosures. 331dot (talk) 10:59, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

No i dont have any association with the company either personally or professionally since the article was rejected i had removed the references used and am reediting the article you may aslo see the history for the refrences used.. I can mention the references here too (removed) Bibek Chalise (talk) 11:03, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Bibek Chalise I've removed the links here as they aren't needed. As odd as it may sound, that's too many sources. Fewer high quality sources are preferred to a large number of low quality sources. To pass the submission process you only need to summarize at least three sources with significant coverage. What are your three best sources that chose on their own to write about the company, and are not interviews/press releases/announcements of routine activities? 331dot (talk) 11:07, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

You posted on your user page that you are a web developer. If this company is your client, the Terms of Use require that to be disclosed, please read WP:PAID. 331dot (talk) 11:09, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Ramesh Group Submittals to AfC were Declined, not Rejected, which is more severe. As it exists now, the text has no references embedded. Remove the quotations - Wikipedia cares naught for what a company says about itself. At first glance, none of the refs mention Ramesh Group, and thus contribute nothing toward confirming notability. The reference format is inadequate. Do not resumbit until you fix stuff. David notMD (talk) 12:30, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Ooops. I forgot to write that all of the text is useless puffery and peacocking. If you are serious about creating an article about this company, delete everything and start over. David notMD (talk) 13:03, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Quote Enlivened by the vision of our Director Emeritus... Blocked as UPE before I saw this discussion Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:17, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Infoboxes and Series

Music albums generally have previous and next albums listed in their infoboxes. Political offices can also list previous and subsequent holders.

Films do not appear to do this (Harry Potter films being an example). Would adding this to the infobox film template and then to some film series - hopefully eventually the majority - be a sensible thing to do? -- SGBailey (talk) 14:40, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @SGBailey, welcome to the Teahouse. The best thing to do would be to start a discussion on the talk page. Looking there, I see this has been proposed before, several times, the most recent discussion being this one, and consensus was against it. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:51, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

How do I make my signature

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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How do I make my signature The night king kills Arya in the winds of winter (talk) 08:15, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@The night king kills Arya in the winds of winter, is WP:CUSTOMSIG what you're after? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:37, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Vaccines and autism: My family's autism

When I got my vaccine (I was 18 months old at the time), I stopped talking until I was almost four. And tests reveal that I have a 79% chance of having autism. Plus, my mom's Godmother said that she was very similar. She didn't like people after hers. She has an 89% chance of autism, which makes sense because she has always been really shy as a kid. If vaccines don't cause autism, why would my family have autistic symptoms right after the vaccine? 67.215.28.226 (talk) 16:34, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi, IP, and welcome to the Teahouse. This is a place for asking for help about editing Wikipedia, so it's not an appropriate venue for this kind of question. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:37, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@Writ Keeper: I've referred them to WP:RDS on their talkpage. – dudhhr ^talk _contribs (he/they) 16:41, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Per Wikipedia:Medical disclaimer, ask doctors. That said, the article Causes of autism may have something you find interesting. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:43, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

IP user, I wore a red shirt one day, and then broke a toe. If wearing a red shirt doesn't cause broken bones, why did I break my toe right after putting on the red shirt? David10244 (talk) 06:33, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@David10244, you were lucky to get away with a broken toe! Red shirts are dangerous! Chuntuk (talk) 12:53, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

I remember seeing a meme about how there are higher incidences of autism amongst scientists which would mean that vaccines don't cause autism, but that autism might cause vaccines. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 16:05, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

How would that make any sense? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:08, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Autism leads to more scientists. More scientists lead to more vaccines. It's a silly twist of the logical fallacy. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:10, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

I guess you're right in a way (though it's really only those with high-functioning autism that become scientists) although it is a bit confusing. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:15, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Changing an edit from Minor

Hey there! Just made my first edit and I believe now: incorrectly. On the List of American Airlines destinations, I added a missing destination, and designated the change "Minor". Reading further, my content change was likely not minor. What to do? I didn't see how to edit my edit, if that's possible. If not possible: back out and redo the edit? Don't worry about it? Being a newbie I'm unsure how important this is. CloudTractor (talk) 14:43, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

@CloudTractor Welcome to Wikipedia editing! I would not worry about your error on the edit summary in this case. In general, your choices are either to self-revert your whole edit (i.e. "undo" it via the page history), or if the edit is OK and does really need a better edit summary, you can make a further so-called "dummy edit" WP:DUMMYEDIT which makes no visible change to the article text but allows you the chance to add a new edit summary explaining your error. Edit summaries themselves can't be altered afterwards. Incidentally, your addition to the list would have been more helpful if you had also added a source reference backing up the new destination, although I'm aware that lots of the other entries are missing such information. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:50, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello CloudTractor. You cannot change the edit you already made. But you can make a dummy edit clarifying your previous one. Kpddg ^(talk) 14:50, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

If only everyone cared about being careful as much as you. Carry on. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 14:53, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice! Since a change incorrectly marked as "minor" is cited as a reason for a dummy edit, I've created one. Also, the preference for a source reference is noted, though I was unable to find a service change announcement, as other references seemed to be. Will look further... CloudTractor (talk) 17:08, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

adding images on sandbox

Hi! I am very new to wikipedia editing and I am having trouble figuring out how to add images on sandbox for editing. I am trying to make a gallery wall sort of thing and I don't know exactly how to do that on sandbox if sandbox is only for editing the article. Would I just have to make direct changes on the article? I am very confused...

Lajvardina-type ceramics Marieaburto (talk) 18:00, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Marieaburto, welcome to the Teahouse. Which sandbox are you trying to edit? Is this part of your coursework? Changes will not show up in the article unless the article itself is edited. Please see WP:GALLERY before adding additional images and make sure your changes are in line with that guidance. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:09, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm working on an assignment for a class. Can I add images on sandbox or will I need to just wait and add them directly onto the editing mode of the article? We are making a sort of gallery wall thing like this article - Victorian majolica#Glazes so I wanted to ask about the logistics of adding something like that. Marieaburto (talk) 18:13, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

@Marieaburto Your personal sandbox is at User:Marieaburto/sandbox; however, I can see that there is a notice there directing you to the correct sandbox for your assignment. Adding images, presumably hosted on Wikimedia Commons, is done just as it would be on any other article or page: see WP:IMAGES and H:PICTURES. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:21, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

regarding Inline citations

I am trying to submit the page Draft:John Kokken

I got the following message;

The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. For instructions on how to do this, please see Referencing for beginners. Thank you.

I understand Hyperlinking/embedded links are not to be used.

Need guidance on fixing it.

Josephine David (talk) 18:49, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Which part of WP:Referencing for beginners don't you understand? - David Biddulph (talk) 18:52, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Josephine David, welcome to the Teahouse. There's also a referencing section at Help:Introduction, if you find that easier to understand than the link already given to you. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:53, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

@Josephine David, where did you get the photograph which you uploaded as "own work"? Did you take it yourself? If you have a connection to the subject, please read WP:COI (and possibly WP:PAID). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:56, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Replies with bullets on article talk pages

Some people use * instead of : to reply to talk comments and it makes the HTML horrible. Is there a bot that fixes this? Is it part of the linter? Should it be fixed? Frogging101 (talk) 18:51, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

You're not supposed to mix them, but no rule says to use one over the other. It's a cosmetic change that falls under Wikipedia:COSMETICBOT, as far as I know. So it'd need some pretty wide approval to do. Not to mention the monumental task it would be to code a bot to do this - how does it differentiate between bullets that need to be changed and bullets that don't? Or colons that need to be changed vs. colons that don't? I feel like it would be a lot of effort for a change disproportionately not worth it. casualdejekyll 20:00, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

It sounds like "cosmetic" here means it doesn't actually affect the rendered HTML. In this case it does; with bad bulleting having detrimental affects to screen readers. Frogging101 (talk) 20:12, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

I am in emergency need of contact with Wikipeida and WikiNations. Someone is doxxing my private data via WIKI. And I have been unable to access anything online requiring a password login.

Would appreciate your assistance. Thank you I am stranded in (Redacted). SOS 66.97.144.2 (talk) 20:13, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Contact WP:Oversight. Frogging101 (talk) 20:18, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

If your private data is being posted then please contact the Oversight Team (see Wikipedia:Requests for oversight) giving details of the page(s) where it has been posted (ideally the diff but in any case be as specific as you can be). Do not share any private information on-wiki, including on this page. The Oversight team will not be able to help you regarding access to your account. If you believe someone else is in control of it, contact the Wikipedia:Arbitration committee and explain the situation to them. Thryduulf (talk) 20:46, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

How do I avoid “View History” list showing my editor name in RED, rather than in normal blue?

Every time I edit, when I check “View History,” my editor name shows up in red, rather than in blue. How do I avoid that from happening?

And if the answer is to sign my post with Tyhbvf (talk) 02:56, 18 November 2022 (UTC), where exactly do I add those Tyhbvf (talk) 02:56, 18 November 2022 (UTC) symbols? Tyhbvf (talk) 02:56, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

@Tyhbvf – this is a phenomenon known as a red link. Red links, which look like this or this (warning: those are not actual links; see Help:Link color for the colors of the links themselves and a detailed description) mean that the page it is linking to does not exist. The reason why your name appears in red is because you have not created your own user page yet. The user page policy covers what can and cannot be shown on your user page. To create your user page, start by clicking this link (keep in mind that you should follow the user page policy). If you simply wish to get rid of that red link, you can simply create a blank user page. Thanks. — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 03:24, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Oh, and as for where to sign with four tildes (i.e.: ~~~~), you typically sign it at the end of a talk page post.

Here is an example:

This is a talk page post. ~~~~

By now, I have reached the end of my reply to you; therefore I sign with four tildes. Alternatively, you can use DiscussionTools or another tool that automatically signs your post at the end. Thanks. — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 03:36, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

I am vandalizing wikipedia because i am bored i dont wanna break the rules so what edits could i help make

a quick question 100.2.237.239 (talk) 23:53, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

How about you don't vandalize Wikipedia and do something else because you're bored. We are trying to build an encyclopedia here. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 23:54, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

I would suggest making an account and going to the community portal. —VersaceSpace (talk) 23:57, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

If you're bent on helping Wikipedia, try the task center.

Alternatively, just go do something fun that doesn't negatively impact other people. Play a video game like Garry's Mod or Teardown. Write some code in Python or C. There's also the outside world, too. --Frogging101 (talk) 02:44, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Copying the page into Notepad and not editing the actual article would be the closest thing you'd get concerning "allowable wiki vandalism". Per Blaze, we're making Wikipedia, and don't need anybody messing up our hard work. Do something else that stimulates your brain, or be like me and prevent vandals from doing stuff. Explodicator7331 (talk) 03:49, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

My submission was declined

 Courtesy link: Draft:Panto glasses

I am trying to create a page for Panto glasses, a page such as that of aviator glasses. Panto is a style of sunglasses that is widely known by opticians globally. The style may not have a huge coverage as it was widely used in the 20th century. I am wondering how best I can improve the page since the references I have were rejected by the admin who reviewed my page. I will appreciate your guidance. Kelmaa (talk) 21:21, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Kelmaa Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia prefers the term "article" instead of page, this may help your mindset. As noted by the reviewer, the sources are all promotional blogs; blogs are rarely acceptable as a source. Please read about reliable sources to learn what is being looked for, as well as the links provided in the message declining the draft. 331dot (talk) 21:37, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

331dotThank you for replying. I agree 1 or 2 references may have been promotional, but the rest do not appear to be promotional. Besides, My goal which is to have the style covered because I feel it's long forgotten. I am not focussed on any specific product but a "style" of glasses that was common in 20th century. By the way, I have a newspaper excerpt but I don't know how to cite it. I also came across this Opti Munich excerpt but it only mentions Panto on the last page. Would that make a good reference? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kelmaa (talk • contribs)

Kelmaa, if you're coming up with currently available web pages about "panto", then (regardless of the quality and usability for Wikipedia of these pages) it hardly seems that panto is "long forgotten". Many articles cite newspaper articles: you provide the author's name or authors' names (if specified), the title of the article, the title of the newspaper, the date of the article, and, if the article is available on the web, its address (URL). It doesn't matter how much of the Opti Munich article isn't about panto if what it does say about panto is worthwhile. Well, it's not bad. But it's not too good either. I'm unimpressed by, for example, These use side clips for performance and wind protection, an alternative to the leather sections of alpine goggles from the 1950s and PR manager Lisa Thamm describes them as fusing design and high-tech material. It doesn't matter what some company's PR manager says about that company's products. (Rory Brogan, the writer of the article, should have had the guts to apply his own expertise and taste to the matter.) -- Hoary (talk) 07:19, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Number

https://en.Wikipedia.org/wiki/Number where is the numbers? 2.56.197.5 (talk) 11:00, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

In the corner 2.56.197.5 (talk) 11:00, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! What are you trying to ask? At the moment it's unclear exactly what you want. Thanks, echidnaLives - talk - edits 11:29, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

I think the IP may be asking what the numbers serving as his name are. Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 14:02, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

If Club is correct then those numbers are your IP address which is what websites use to identify your computer when you are browsing the internet (as well as anything that requires use of the internet) ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:48, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

If the poster is missing numbers in the corner of the article Number then maybe they cannot see the image at the top right with caption "Subsets of the complex numbers". It works for me. The full size version is Media:NumberSetinC.svg. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:51, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter, IP user: I have experimental dark mode turned on for Android Chrome. That image is pure black for me, but if I click on the image, I can see the full-sized image just fine. Maybe that's what is happening to the IP user. David10244 (talk) 08:10, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Since the OP began with a link to Number, I didn't think this was anything about their IP address. My guess is that they were expecting that article to be full of specific numerals, and were fazed by the somewhat abstract content. But we're all guessing until the OP explains what they wanted. --ColinFine (talk) 17:08, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Red?

Every time I edit, when I check “View History,” my editor name shows up in red, rather than in blue. How do I avoid that from happening? If the answer is to sign my post with 4 squiggly symbols, where exactly do I add those symbols? At the end of my last edit on the edited page, at the very end of the edited page, in the summary description, etc.? Help please! Tyhbvf (talk) 04:17, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Once you have added content to your User page (see WP:UP) your name will appear blue. 'Signing' your name with four of ~ is for Talk pages (article or person).— Preceding unsigned comment added by David notMD (talk • contribs) 05:11, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Tyhbvf. Please don't post the same question more than once. You asked this very question above at #How do I avoid “View History” list showing my editor name in RED, rather than in normal blue? and received some replies. If you ask a question somewhere, check back there to see if someone has responded. Even if someone hasn't responded. be patient and wait until someone does. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:16, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

To clarify, a Redlink simply indicates that the target does not exist. I see that you edited your user page, so that exists now! 136.56.52.157 (talk) 08:46, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Question about speedy deletion

Am I supposed to tag user sandbox pages which are obviously spam, or are they allowed in sandbox space? Zorya's Leshak (talk) 03:48, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

@Zorya's Leshak – if it is obvious spam, you might as well just tag it with a G11 tag. I imagine what you are trying to tag is a spammy, promotional, "sandbox" page, in which I tag for speedy deletion all of the time. Thanks. — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 03:51, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Alright, cool. Just wanted to make sure. Thanks. Zorya's Leshak (talk) 03:53, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Just noting, I have removed the tags as the page isn't at all spammy or promotional, and is just a userspace draft, and reached out to Zorya's Leshak. Thanks, echidnaLives - talk - edits 04:09, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

EchidnaLives, thanks for letting me know about the additional context; I might have not seen the larger picture. Thanks. — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 12:45, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Are deleted articles gone forever?

HI I had submitted a long list of articles about women electronic literature writers that had been denied and abandoned for various reasons to be returned to active status so we could work on them--but I never heard back. Are these articles gone forever?

Thank you LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 19:52, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello LoveElectronicLiterature, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you would like to request it for undeletion, see here. But remember, the list has to 1) Cite reliable sources and 2) meet WP:NOTABILITY guidelines. Sarrail (talk) 19:57, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Something is lost in the process, which is that the work done on deleted articles isn't visible or available to be improved upon by people who want to make a new draft out of it and try again. Anyone seeking to revive a rejected article has to start from scratch, without the benefit of any of the research or writing from previous attempts. Is that right? --Frogging101 (talk) 20:15, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes and no. If a page has been deleted then only administrators can see it, but if it has been moved to draft space then anyone can edit it (but it will get deleted six months after the last human edit). Unless the content was actively problematic (e.g. a copyright violation or an attack page) though an administrator will normally be happy to undelete it on request if someone wants to work on it to improve it.

I'm not sure what has happened here, as none of LoveElectronicLiterature's contributions are currently deleted; the page they recently submitted for review was declined but it remains as a draft where it can be improved by them or others and has never been deleted. Thryduulf (talk) 20:56, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

@LoveElectronicLiterature: If you simply have expired drafts, or articles deleted via WP:PROD, or your own pages for which you requested deletion yourself, they can be restored uncontroversially. See WP:REFUND. If your articles were deleted for other reasons (like due to an AFD discussion, or speedy deletion reason) then you need to start over.

I don't see any deleted contributions for LoveElectronicLiterature, however. Did you use another account before? ~Anachronist (talk) 20:56, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Ahh. Thank you for your help!

I had a list of expired drafts from many other people, mostly students who have moved on to other projects:

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Ana_Mar%C3%ADa_Uribe

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Anastasia_Salter

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Carole_Spearin_McCauley

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Christine_Wilke

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Christy_Dena

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Claire_Donato

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Diane_Greco_Josefowicz

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Donna_Leishman

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Eman_Younis

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Jenny_Weight

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Giselle_Beiguelman

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Lisa_Swanstrom

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Mary-Kim_Arnold

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Natalia_Fedorova

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Renee_Choba

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Rita_Raley

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/User:Horcruxraven/sandbox LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 21:01, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

We have started a new project (WP:WELW) and we would very much LOVE to have any of this material so that we do not have to start from scratch if at all possible!

thank you!! LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 21:02, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

@LoveElectronicLiterature Many of these drafts haven't been deleted and are available for further work. It is easier to see which is which by using standard wikilinks, which will come out blue (draft exists) or red (draft has been deleted for any reason). So Draft:Anastasia_Salter but Draft:Carole_Spearin_McCauley, Draft:Diane_Greco_Josefowicz but Draft:Rita_Raley for example. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:32, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Signature source code?

Is it possible to view the HTML code of someone else's signature? In "View source", you just end up with 4 tildes. Also, how do you write 4 tildes without it changing to a signature? סשס Grimmchild. He/him, probably 12:49, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

• @Grimmchild: I am not sure of what your first question is. For instance, as I was posting this comment, I could easily copy-paste the wikicode of your signature in the source editor - סשס [[User:Grimmchild|<span style="color:#600060;">Grimmchild.</span>]][[User talk: Grimmchild| <span style="color:#600060;">He/him, probably</span>]]. Are you using the visual editor? On which page did you try and fail to see a signature? (Also, it’s presumably the wikicode that you are after, not the HTML code.)

For the second question, the simplest is the template {{4~}}: ~~~~. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 13:08, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

I must have used the visual editor by accident. Oops. סשס Grimmchild. He/him, probably 13:39, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Or, alternatively, type {{tildes}} if you can't find the tilde button on your keyboard. It still gives you this: ~~~~.

Of course, the usual way to ensure any character renders only as that character when using 'wikicode' is to use the 'nowiki' command. So, type:

<nowiki>insert your characters such as ~~~~ here.</nowiki>

The nowiki /nowiki commands first turn on - and then turns off - the reading of characters just as characters, and stop them acting as they were intended. That command in italics would render on a page as: insert your characters such as ~~~~ here. (If you care to edit this reply using 'edit source' you'll see I've had to use the nowiki command twice in order to turn it off so that the nowiki command doesn't get actioned, but simply appears as text. Proper confusing, but logical once you get familiar with it!) Nick Moyes (talk) 15:12, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

how do you edit a cast and character table?

Jamie Johnson (TV series) - Wikipedia.

On the cast and character table, the character Mr Hilary Hansard has been shown to be main all throughout series 1-3, that is correct but nothing on series seven, the seventh series of Jamie Johnson has finished airing and on the twelfth episode of series seven, Mr Hilary Hansard makes an appearance and is there for most of the runtime. So how I can add 'guest' on the column for series seven on the character Mr Hilary Hansard?

I'm fairly new to Wikipedia so I need help.

BBC iPlayer - Jamie Johnson - Series 7: 12. Chance of a Lifetime. 123typewrite123 (talk) 15:43, 18 November 2022 (UTC)