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Advice About Style to New Editors

I am wondering whether there is some way that new editors who want to contribute to Wikipedia can be given advice as to various ways in which the writing style used in Wikipedia may be different from the style used for other sorts of writing. The example that prompts this question (if it is a question) is a case in Deletion Review that focuses on style. A new editor created a biography of a living person of a fashion designer. The article was nominated for speedy deletion as G11, exclusively promotional, and was speedily deleted. The originator appealed the deletion to Deletion Review and said that the tone was adequately neutral and there were references and there was no COI. The DRV input has been mixed between editors who endorsed the deletion and editors who said that it was not exclusively promotional and should be sent to AFD instead. The originator said

I try to always write in a positive manner that engages the reader.

I think that statement illustrates a sort of cognitive disconnect, in that many editors, like the originator, are trying to write in an enthusiastic manner, which is not neutral point of view. This is not the first or second time that I have seen an editor who said that they had no COI, and I believed that statement, who was writing as if they had a conflict of interest because they thought that was the way to write. If they had writing experience, for instance, as a sportswriter for their college newspaper, that was the style that would have been encouraged.

So my first (and probably only) question is whether there is anything that Wikipedia can or should do for new editors to explain how neutral point of view may be different from other writing styles. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:26, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

I also have a comment, which is that it is sometimes hard for a reviewer to tell whether an editor is writing the way that they are because they have a COI or because they believe in writing enthusiastically. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:26, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Robert McClenon. The core content policy is, of course, Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Also relevant is Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch. Cullen328 (talk) 22:07, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

So does that mean people are conflating NP:NPOV and MOS:WTW? Explodicator7331 (talk) 23:25, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Well, words to watch should be avoided when trying to write from a neutral point of view. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:27, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Robert McClenon, that bit about 'engaging the reader' must have been most disheartening to read. I'd guess that its author is young and perhaps recently out of high school. Many writing instructors in schools would applaud a student's engaging style, as opposed to an overall disengaged style, especially in a school with low achievement. The editor you describe seems to be unfamiliar with intellectual engagement, and is opting for emotional engagement, which is clearly the opposite of NPOV. My sympathies.--Quisqualis (talk) 02:43, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes. My question is how to explain to new editors that they should not write enthusiastically. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:27, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I do not think that there is any problem with conflating the policy NPOV and the guideline WTW. I think that both lead to the same conclusion from different directions. If there is ever a stark conflict between a core content policy and a guideline (which seems unlikely in 2022), then the policy would prevail. Cullen328 (talk) 04:12, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

• I believe the problem Robert McClenon identifies is fairly common, and goes beyond the "words to watch" list. It is more about the type of writing we do (which has consequences on the tone required, hence WTW, but not only). What we do is called technical writing - a form of literature where the goal is not to elicit any emotions in the reader, nor to convince them, but to convey information in a clear, unambiguous, and concise form. That is obviously true for articles on quantum physics, but I would argue it also applies to biographies, history articles etc. - those are not supposed to be hagiographies or epic poems, but a just-the-facts summary.

Unfortunately I never found any good guide (i.e. both precise and short) on- or off-Wikipedia to link to when an editor pops up with that problem at the Teahouse. Tip #2 from [1] comes close. I usually advise to "be boring", which is provocative and not entirely true, but cuts to the heart of the matter. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:33, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

By the way, the originator has also asked about the article in question at Wikipedia:Teahouse#Raffiey_Nasir. As other editors have noted, I see this as an instance of a more general issue having to do with appropriate writing styles. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

To quote an old meme, "just the facts, ma'am" succinctly describes the style required. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:58, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps some of the AfC, NPP and MOS editors could be recruited into drafting a simple essay on the do's and don'ts of writing a new article that can be dropped on Talk page of enthusiastic editors who are not suspected of COI. A step beyond welcome template and simpler than WP:YFA. Suspect much of the content exists, just scattered. Slywriter (talk) 19:16, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi Robert McClenon, this is a really interesting question, and a tough problem to address. On the one hand, these policies on writing style are important to maintain, but we also want to support people to enthusiastically contribute here. I think one manner of addressing these needs is to show editors how it is fully possible to engage readers while also writing in an neural manner. You could show examples of other articles (in this case, other biographies) that are written well and do a decent job of summarizing the sources they are based on. These don't even need to necessarily be FA- or GA-class articles. I also think it can be helpful to be clear that when we write in a promotional or non-neutral way, it has consequences for readers. It can make it difficult for readers to distinguish facts from opinions. It can make it seem like there is only one perspective on an issue, when there may be many. It can overstate the importance of a claim, when it may not be especially important. Explaining the value of neutral writing can make its purpose more clear, even if it may be hard to do. I JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 02:02, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

i don't know how to edit

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Looks like you grasped the basics already! CiaPan (talk) 14:15, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

hahaha Komchi^✉_☆ 14:28, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi, IP editor, and welcome! You have successfully published an edit; you can check out the Introduction for more information about editing Wikipedia. Did you have a more specific editing question? Perfect4th (talk) 14:34, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi. You will get the hang of it Cwater1 (talk) 06:41, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

References in other languages

Hello! Am I allowed to use references (e.g. articles, websites) in other languages for pages in the English Wikipedia? Thanks in advance! Scuffedsherm (talk) 07:42, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

@Scuffedsherm: Hello! Per WP:NONENG, using non-English sources are allowed, but if there's an English-language source that verifies the same information, it is preferred that we use the English one so that our English-speaking readers can more easily verify the information being cited. - Aoidh (talk) 07:52, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE

I made article article less promotional and added references from more reliable sources such as HuffPost, Forbes, INC Magazine, Newspapers, and Black Enterprise. I've noticed other people wikipedia pages have the same reliable sources.

Wikipedia article link: https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Wayne_Ayers MarcusMoore360 (talk) 23:40, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

@MarcusMoore360: Refer to User:Jéské Couriano/Decode:

• We can't use https://whereisthebuzz.com/ (website homepage) and even if we could it would be useless for notability (connexion to subject).
• We can't use https://www.forbes.com/profile/wayne-ayers/ (too sparse). Very short pieces like this have virtually nothing to cite.
• We can't use https://www.forbes.com/sites/johngreathouse/2019/11/09/from-homeless-teen-to-hollywood-media-executivethis-23-year-old-entrepreneur-has-only-just-begun/ (no editorial oversight). Anything written by a Forbes "contributor" is a glorified op-ed.
• We can't use https://www.huffpost.com/entry/how-wayne-ayers-overcame-homelessness-and-build-a-successful_b_5a41d8dee4b0d86c803c7333 (no editorial oversight). "This post was published on the now-closed HuffPost Contributor platform. Contributors control their own work and posted freely to our site."
• https://www.blackenterprise.com/6-ways-to-grow-your-brand-on-instagram/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Most of the article is stuff he says, and what remains would be covered by a more in-depth source.
• https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-wayne-ayers-podcast/id1543321457 is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Anything the subject says, writes, films, dictates, commissions, pantomimes, semaphores, interpretive-dances, etc. is useless for notability by dint of not being independent of them.
• I cannot assess Inc.com as the website is shut down due to the cyberattack on Fast Company's website. That being said, we don't accept searches of any sort as sources and, again, anything the subject writes is useless for notability.
• https://www.kitsapsun.com/story/sports/2021/03/02/terry-mosher-bremertons-wayne-ayers-breaks-through-hollywood/6882531002/ looks good.
• https://archive.kitsapsun.com/news/boys-basketball-bremerton-claims-olympic-league-title-ep-298461572-355707381.html/ as presented is unusable (unknown provenance). If this ran in the print version I imagine it would list the actual author. See if you can find a copy of the original paper this ran in, and then cite it using {{cite news}} (we accept dead-tree cites, but we need a minimum amount of information to cite it. In this case, we need the publication name, edition (i.e. 1 Jan 1923), article title, article byline, and page(s) the article's on).

Does this help? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 00:04, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much. I added more sources and added the citations in the wikipedia article that was needed. I also added External links as well. Is there anything else I have to add? MarcusMoore360 (talk) 07:21, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

STATUS: Draft:Wayne Ayers resubmitted to AfC and waiting for a review. David notMD (talk) 08:05, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft deletion

Hi. I would like to have my draft deleted. Draft:Understanding Your Body. And I am not quite sure what to do and where to go. I need some help. Wikiwow:) Wikiwow:) (talk) 10:06, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Just paste {{Db-g7}} at the top of the draft. It's a user requested speedy deletion. See WP:G7 - X201 (talk) 10:15, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Is my wikipedia article okay?

I created a wikipedia article and I want someone to double check it please. Draft:Kiki Ayers MarcusMoore360 (talk) 08:53, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

MarcusMoore360 Hello and welcome. I've added the information required to allow you to submit the draft for a review. 331dot (talk) 08:57, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

@MarcusMoore360 I get "access denied" on trying to verify the first citation (possibly because I'm in the UK). Looking at many of the other references, they are based on interviews and press releases: perhaps not surprising for a publicist who launched a PR firm. However, to show her notability in Wikipedia's sense, you need to focus on any sources which are WP:INDEPENDENT of her and give significant coverage, as well as being reliable. Quality is more important than quantity. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:16, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Follow-up on Requested Edits for Herbalife Nutrition

Hi, I have a disclosed COI for Herbalife Nutrition. I wanted to ask for input on proposed changes to the page. The editor I was speaking with deferred to decisions to other editors, who have not yet given any feedback. I would really appreciate it if someone could look at my proposed edits and publish them. Here is the link: https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Talk:Herbalife_Nutrition#Conflict_of_Interest_Edit_Request_2 Finncomms8495 (talk) 20:43, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for disclosing your paid editing! It is amazing how many paid editors fail to take this basic step. I personally don't have the time to review the requested edit, but remember that Wikipedia is volunteer-based. There is no obligation for anyone to review it. Sungodtemple (talk) 22:35, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

@Finncomms8495 You used the correct template to make your request, so an editor who works on that sort of thing should get to it in due course. It would help if you were to convert your bare URLs into proper {{cite news}} citations. I'm not an expert in the topic but the requests and sources seem reasonable to me. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:46, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

I have declined the request, with a detailed explanation at the talk page. The attempt to remove certain sources (especially that one) without saying why is clearly not acceptable ("it reflects badly on Herbalife" is of course not a policy reason for removal). Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 12:10, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Why is Wikipedia not user friendly?

Its challenging to navigate through the platform and locate things I am looking for.

I had a lesson about finding a missing articles list for universities. After the training I found it challenging to find the list on my own.

Is Wikipedia considering simplifying the website for new editors? Serah Phiri (talk) 12:36, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

hi @Serah Phiri and welcome to the teahouse! pages regarding editor work are usually kept in the Wikipedia namespace (prefixed with "Wikipedia:", like this page!), which by default don't show up in search (only articles do, since the articles are what most readers are here for, not the miscellaneous editor pages). you can search for them easily by prefixing your search with "Wikipedia:" or "WP:" (like searching for "WP:Teahouse" to get here), or setting your search to All or just including Wikipedia.

as for what you may be looking for, are you trying to head to Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Colleges and Universities? the title's long, but there's a shortcut WP:MISSING to get there quickly. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 12:51, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Article has been reverted to previous

I made a lot of visual edits to a couple of pages, but they seem to have reverted to how they were previously. Is there a way of knowing why?

1999–2000 Manchester United F.C. season & 2000–01 Manchester United F.C. season Talbot140690 (talk) 11:48, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Checking the article history page would help. I reverted your edits because they were very large changes made without consensus approval. – PeeJay 11:52, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I will stick to creation of new articles that are missing. Talbot140690 (talk) 11:55, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

hi @Talbot140690! while you can, writing a whole new article could be harder than rewriting one that already exists. I won't say you shouldn't (if you want to experience article creation or want to write an article anyway you can), but if you want something easier than this to do, you could check out stuff at the task center. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 12:14, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Melecie. I seem to have found success with quite a lot of recent creations so will continue doing that for now, lots of gaps to fill in :) Talbot140690 (talk) 12:52, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

But PeeJay, I glanced at one of these histories, and you'd reverted a pile of edits with the pithy but alas uninformative edit summary "no". The relevant talk page also has no explanation. Should the sheer size of large changes made without consensus approval bring about their reversion, explained with "no"? -- Hoary (talk) 12:00, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

One of the reversions seems to be noted with why change the format? (diff), although I think it could be more informative if phrased in another way. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 12:09, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

The format of soccer season articles is something that has been discussed to death at WT:FOOTY. The general consensus as far as I'm aware is that we should follow WP:COLLAPSE, which says "Collapsible templates should not conceal article content by default upon page loading." (bolding in the original text). That means Template:Footballbox collapsible should be deprecated by design, but unfortunately it keeps getting used because a whole heap of editors of soccer articles have decided to ignore that rule. – PeeJay 12:29, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

I understand. I presumed (incorrectly), that the collapsible way of doing things was the more up to date way (based on most other pages) and attempted to bring the older seasons up to date. Will leave those alone. Talbot140690 (talk) 12:53, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Redlining

How can you intentionaly redline a topic when putting it in brackets takes you to a disambiguation page (without that topic)? -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 12:04, 30 September 2022 (UTC) Pete Best Beatles (talk) 12:04, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

As in [[Peter Best (podiatrist)|Peter Best]] -- but only if this would be likely to help the reader. -- Hoary (talk) 12:14, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

So you sepeculate on the part in parentheses? Pete Best Beatles (talk) 12:18, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes. Somebody might then create an article on "Peter Best (chiropodist)" and the redlinking would then be wasted (or worse, lead to a content fork). So very often this kind of redlinking is unhelpful. -- Hoary (talk) 12:30, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

If the topic does not exist, and you do not think it deserves an article, a better option would be to not link but put a hidden comment. That warns future editors to not link to an incorrect topic. For instance, In 2021, John Smith and Joe Biden hijacked a car. <--! That Biden is a gardener, do not link to the US president. --> Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 12:58, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Seconded. -- Hoary (talk) 13:11, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Disambiguation pages#Red links allows to add the same red link to the disambiguation page in some cases. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:55, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Page improvements

I need the page Emmanuel Igboke to be improved by copyediting, proper cats and so on, Thanks in advance and God bless Dorathy Nnaji (talk) 11:41, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Dorathy Nnaji, welcome back to the Teahouse. We have cleanup templates for this purpose - {{copy edit}} and {{improve categories}}, for instance. A full list can be found here. You could also post on the talk page of a relevant WikiProject. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:51, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Dorathy Nnaji. Leaving aside questions of grammar, etc., easily addressed, one thing you probably need to clarify yourself is what "Achara layout" means. I can find no relevant place (i.e. in Africa not India) called Achara in Wikipedia (apparently it means "Elephant grass"?), nor – from our various articles relating to Nigerian administration – what a "layout" is. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.193.128.129 (talk) 14:02, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

untitled

how can I add my name on wikipedia. 161.69.122.15 (talk) 15:44, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, welcome to the Teahouse. That entirely depends on where you want to add your name, and what exactly you mean by "add my name" in the first place. Putting your name in or on an article is unlikely to happen unless you can demonstrate you are notable in some way; putting your name elsewhere isn't generally a good idea for privacy reasons, unless by "name" you mean the IP address you use or the user name of your account if you choose to create one. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:19, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Limerick Greenway

Hi, I tried to create my first piece for Limerick Greenway in the sandbox earlier today. I tried to publish but there was an error and now all the information is gone. Can you advise ? Limerick Greenway LimerickGreenway 13:57, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @LimerickGreenway, welcome to the Teahouse. I can't see that what you published made it to Wikipedia's servers. In that case, unless your browser has stored the information and you can retrieve it using the "Back" button, there's nothing to be done. It's very good practice to save what you're working on in a separate text editor, so that you have a copy in case something unexpected happens.

On another note, your username may not be in compliance with our policies, since it seems to represent an organization of some kind rather than you as an individual. You may need to either abandon this account for a new one or request a change of name via WP:RENAME. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:03, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I am working on the Limerick Greenway and wanted to enter up to date information and create a page for this. Can you advise on the best steps forward as I am doing this on behalf of work so can I use this account as declared from an organisation ? Limerick Greenway LimerickGreenway 14:11, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

@LimerickGreenway, first you will need to either change your account name or switch to a new account, as I explained above. It's very likely that this one will be blocked in short order if you don't. Second, you need to read WP:PAID carefully and follow the instructions. Then you should also read Help:Your first article and WP:NORG to get an idea of what we're looking for in an article. If this organization does not have significant coverage in independent, reliable, secondary sources, it's best to abandon your effort now - you will be wasting your company's time and money. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:20, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

I note that we already have Great Southern Trail#Limerick Greenway. Not sure if this is the same thing. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:31, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the information above and the Great Southern Trail is no longer inexistence and was an historic group set up before the trail was updated to a Greenway. Therefore there is a need to provide accurate Limerick Greenway information as people don't seem to be getting this through wikipedia at the moment. This is then linking to other online accounts. It's just to ensure accurate information and relevant links. Limerick Greenway LimerickGreenway 14:41, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

@LimerickGreenway, once you've followed the instructions above about your user name and declaring your paid editing status, you're free to make {{edit request}}s on the talk page of Great Southern Trail outlining the updates you want and - this is important - citing sources for those updates. Uninvolved editors will evaluate and implement the requests. You are not forbidden from editing the article yourself, but it is very strongly discouraged, especially since you seem to be a newcomer to Wikipedia. You can also attempt to write a separate article on the Limerick Greenway, but writing new articles is extremely difficult, especially for newcomers. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:52, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Another thing to realise, LimerickGreenway is that Therefore there is a need to provide accurate Limerick Greenway information as people don't seem to be getting this through wikipedia at the moment is not what WIkipedia is about. There may be a need, but it is not Wikipedia's need. Wikipedia is neither a business directory, a tourist guide, nor a means of promotion (see What Wikipedia is not. Nor is it required to be up to date: past companies that meet Wikipedia's criteria of notability are every bit as relevant to Wikipedia as current companies that do so, and very much more relevant than present companies which do not. ColinFine (talk) 16:35, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

community

please tell me all the pages with names that imply a village or town or simaler i want to put them on my watchlist (i use that as my bookmark since there is no acual bookmark feature that i am aware of) Allaoi (talk) 17:20, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

@Allaoi You can use Categories to find such settlements (for example Category:Populated places by country) but I think that there would be far too many for you to follow them all. You could of course just watchlist those you were intending to work on, for example in your own country. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:27, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

also i mean stuff like the teahouse and village stocks Allaoi (talk) 17:32, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Or Category:Populated places by type by country. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:30, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

can i ask if there is a way to bookmark pages? the watchlist works, but is limiting Allaoi (talk) 17:31, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, but bookmarks are a function of your browser, not Wikipedia. In Chrome, for example, you would click on the five-pointed star at the top right to bookmark a page. Shantavira|^{feed me} 18:12, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

ok, do you also know how to find more pages like the teahouse and village stocks, in the way of their title giveing a feeling of a country village? Allaoi (talk) 18:20, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

If you mean on en-WP, Wikipedia:Dashboard may have some of what you want. If you mean on any language WP, check the links under "languages", higher up on the left side on the Teahouse page. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:03, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

no i mean pages with names simalr to the Teahouse or Village stocks, meaning they have names that typicaly are given to spots in small villages or camping sites Allaoi (talk) 21:07, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm afraid you have gotten us a bit confused as to what you need, Allaoi. Wikipedia has the village pump, but no stocks. There is also the Help desk.--Quisqualis (talk) 07:15, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

@Quisqualis, we do have stocks - they're thisaway. 97.113.27.216 (talk) 12:26, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

i mean more pages with titles simalr to those Allaoi (talk) 16:20, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

@Allaoi, there is no way to locate such pages except by combing through the backend area of Wikipedia looking for them, which is something you'd have to do yourself. That's not a way pages are categorized outside of article space, and it's very unlikely that anyone has decided to make such a list for their own personal use. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:25, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

ok thanks Allaoi (talk) 16:25, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

wait backend? where can i find that? Allaoi (talk) 16:26, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

@Allaoi, "backend" is a general term for all the pages on Wikipedia that are not articles, including the Teahouse, Help Desk, noticeboards, and various other things created to keep Wikipedia running smoothly. See frontend and backend for where the term comes from. If you go to the search bar at the top of this page and click the little magnifying glass, then click where it says "Add namespaces" (under "Search in"), you'll see a long list of all the backend spaces on Wikipedia, and you can search within them (best to remove Article space first!). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:39, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Connecting with GLAM

Hi, I'd like to get in touch with someone at Wikipedia:GLAM. There are lists of editors who work on projects in various countries, but the country I'm interested in (Colombia) does not appear, so I'm not sure who to contact. Plus, the information there seems to be about GLAM rather than instructions for editors, so I might be in the wrong place altogether. Weirdly, I can't seem to find a Talk page or help desk for general inquires.

In case context helps: I'm working on Muisca raft and found a treasure trove of images in this publication, which I know are from the Gold Museum, Bogotá. I inquired at commons here as to whether it's possible for an editor to request images directly from a museum. They kindly referred me to the VRT and also GLAM. VRT appears to be a ticketing system, once the process is underway. My hope is that someone at GLAM can orient me to (1) whether obtaining these images is possible in my case; (2) how hard it would be; and (3) how to get started.

Thank you! GuineaPig_C77 (𒅗𒌤) ☕ 08:31, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

• @GuineaPigC77: Not an answer to your question (which is about asking the museum to make new photographs, if I understand correctly), but the folks at WP:RX are great at finding stuff that has already been published. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 13:02, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

  Thanks @Tigraan! What you're suggesting is better than what I had in mind. (The publication in question contains an additional photograph the museum may or may not have, and which would also be useful for the article.) I think WP:RX is what I was looking for without knowing it. Thanks! GuineaPig_C77 (𒅗𒌤) ☕ 16:56, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

@GuineaPigC77, the talk page for the project is at Wikipedia talk:GLAM. It doesn't appear to be heavily used, but it does have a fair number of watchers, so maybe you'll find someone to answer your question. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:36, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Well I feel a little silly for not pursuing the talk page, but I made an assumption that it was for discussing the project itself, not for specific inquires. I'll try Tigraan's suggestion and if that doesn't work I'll leave a message on the talk page in case any of the watchers will see it. Many thanks. GuineaPig_C77 (𒅗𒌤) ☕ 17:02, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

@GuineaPigC77, you're welcome! May light your path. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:58, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

And yours! ;-) GuineaPig_C77 (𒅗𒌤) ☕ 18:21, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

How should I deal with controversial edits?

Hello,

I have tried to add an infobox (like this) to the article Teal independents. After my edit, it was swiftly undone by another user. I would like to see the infobox added to the page and I have since opened a discussion in the article's talk page. Is this the correct thing to do?

Thank you! - GA Melbourne (talk) 08:26, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

@GA Melbourne Welcome to the Teahouse! Yes, you did exactly the correct thing. The process here on Wikipedia is summarised as WP:BRD, standing for "be BOLD and if REVERTED, DISCUSS the issue" with other editors in attempts to reach a WP:CONSENSUS for what should be included in the article. Bearing in mind that we are all volunteers, it can take a while for others to respond but you can always WP:PING people to draw attention to your Talk Page comment. That shouldn't be necessary for gaining attention from experienced editors who have the page on their watchlist. And always assume good faith! Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:28, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull Thank you for your response! How long after discussing the issue on the talk page should I reinstate my change if there is no response? - Yours Faithfully, GA Melbourne ( T | C ) 11:47, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

@GA Melbourne I generally give it a week but in the specific case you are interested in I'd make that a week after pinging the reverting editor. I'd be concerned about the prior section at Talk:Teal independents#Colors used Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:56, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Received with Thanks, noted! - Yours Faithfully, GA Melbourne ( T | C ) 12:02, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

GA Melbourne has started a discussion on the article's Talk page and invited the editor who reverted the attempt at an Infobox. David notMD (talk) 19:17, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Re: Edit and publsih the article

Hi I have done the edit as requested earlier I wanted to confirm if this under the review kind regards nagma AmirMehdiKazmi (talk) 10:00, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

hi @AmirMehdiKazmi and welcome to the teahouse! are you referring to Draft:Amir Mehdi and/or User:AmirMehdiKazmi/sandbox? as stated in your talk page, writing an autobiography is discouraged for multiple reasons (which are outlined in the autobiography guideline) and it's best not to write one about yourself at all. additionally, never ever copy and paste text from the internet into anything you write in Wikipedia, that would be considered a copyright violation and can lead to you being blocked. if you want to write about something else, please check out Your first article to learn how, as well as Reliable sources to learn how you can cite your sources (since that is required in Wikipedia), and Notability to learn what can and can't have an article. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 12:23, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

AmirMehdiKazmi If Draft:Amir Mehdi isresubmitted as it is now, it will surely be Declined again, as Wikipedia requires that references be properly inserted in the body of the article. The software then creates reference numbers and lists the refs in References. Furthermore, as this is about a living person (you), every factual statement must be verified by a reference or else deleted (even if true). David notMD (talk) 19:27, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft Page

One of my mentor who is renowned educationist of the country, has his Wikipedia page as a draft. So can i contribute to that page and move it to publish or only the owner can do it so. 121.52.159.174 (talk) 11:21, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi IP editor. Anyone can contribute to an article on Wikipedia (except for a few which have been given some level of protection owing to persistent vandalism) and you are equally welcome to contribute to improve Draft articles. As a matter of courtesy, I wouldn't add to a draft in another user's sandbox without asking them on their Talk Page whether they minded my doing so and I certainly would not move anything into mainspace without agreement: and as an IP you can't do that in any case. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:41, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

If by "move to publish" you meant submit to Articles for Creation for review, you can do that without having an account, but you shouldn't without asking the subject of the article. As to the draft about your mentor, is that an autobiography, or did someone else create it? Is it clear to him that Wikipedia has 'articles,' not 'pages,' and that the subject of an article does not own control of the article? David notMD (talk) 19:49, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Talk page stalker banner thing

I'd like to put the talk page stalker banner thing on my talk page. I seem to have some—which I see as a wonderful thing—and I'd like to advertise it to would be vandals that sometimes others might respond on my behalf, especially if/when I am busy. TY. — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 18:41, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Oopsemoops - are you asking what the code is? See Wikipedia:TPS/banner. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:46, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes. That is what I was looking for. I had just searched "Talk page stalkers", with no luck, in the search bar before coming here to the teahouse. — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 18:49, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

@Oopsemoops, it's in an odd namespace. I searched "Template: talk page stalker" and got {{Talk page stalker}}, which is not quite right, but fortunately there's a link to the banner in "See also" at the bottom. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:53, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Just created some redirects so that others do not have the same problem in the future. :) — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 19:06, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

@Oopsemoops did you intend to create TP Stalk in article namespace? I think it'd be better off moved to template space. Madeline (part of me) 20:19, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

I didn't create TP Stalk. That particle page was created by Xeno in 2009. — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 20:21, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

You created the redirect TP Stalk just today: [2]. Normally redirects to templates are placed in template namespace, so it should be Template:TP Stalk. Madeline (part of me) 20:24, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

How do I get someone to amend or edit your page named:List of Jim Crow law examples by state

They list Washington state as having a law against interracial marriage in 1866-1887,This would have been impossible,Washington State did not achieve statehood until 1889. The area they were talking about was the Washington territory and would not fall under statehood. To blatantly label states for something that never happened in their time of statehood is not polite. I am a born and raised Washingtonian and am tired of being blamed for what never happened in racial matters. 73.157.103.162 (talk) 17:59, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: List of Jim Crow law examples by state - 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:03, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Other states in that article list laws that were enacted before statehood. One can infer that these laws were passed when the future states were Territories. A much greater problem with that list article is that the vast majority of laws are unreferenced. David notMD (talk) 20:06, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

But the direct answer to your question is that you can open a discussion at the talk page Talk:List of Jim Crow law examples by state. But be aware that Wikipedia works by consensus. Just because it is obvious to you that it should be changed does not mean that others will necessarily agree with you (and David has given a reason for not changing it). So if it matters to you, your job is to present arguments that will persuade others to agree with you: merely stating your position may not be effective. ColinFine (talk) 21:51, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

I have edited the first section of the list article to clarify that it includes laws passed by territorial governments before statehood. I do not know whether or not the content under Washington (state) is accurate or not. Cullen328 (talk)

Foreign Wikipedia articles

How does one link to foreign wikipedia articles? I have seen it done but not sure where to look... Thanks, GrahamHardy (talk) 20:23, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

The usual way to do it is with {{ill}}. It displays a redlink with a small link to another wiki of your choosing. If the article is later created on English Wikipedia, it automatically links to that instead. Madeline (part of me) 20:30, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

@GrahamHardy: If you're trying to create an inter-language wikilink from within an article, you preface the name with the language abbreviation preceded by a colon. For example, the Muhammad article on Wikipedia (which we link as [[Muhammad]]) is fa:محمد on the Farsi Wikipedia (which we link as [[:fa:محمد]] or [[:fa:%D9%85%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%AF]]). You can pipe the link to replace the default display, as in Muhammand in Farsi (coded as [[:fa:محمد|Muhammad in Farsi]]). This is explained in Help:Link#Interwiki links. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:53, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

You're right that that works, Anachronist, but Madeline's solution is generally preferred, because it makes clear that there is no English language article but explicitly provides the link with its language code (see WP:SURPRISE), and if an English article is subsequently created, the template automatically links to it. ColinFine (talk) 21:54, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

whimsical wikis

TO whoever this might concern, I am a Nonwikipedian and I heard the Wikipedians created pages on a whim that exist only for their own sake. These pages interest me, is there a category specifically for them? Thank you. Sincerely, a curious netizen. 71.233.148.84 (talk) 00:06, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

hi ip user and welcome to the teahouse! the closest we have to joke pages are stuff archived in Bad Jokes and Other Deleted Nonsense, the April Fools deletion discussions, and other stuff at Category:Wikipedia humor, although none of these are formal articles. there is also Unusual articles, a list of weird formal articles although ones that do exist (not just made on a whim). happy reading! 💜  melecie  talk - 00:34, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi IP user, also note that for new users creating pages there is a review process called Articles for creation. For all new articles, (created by both new users who passed the AfC process as well as more experienced users creating articles) there is another group of reviewers called the New pages patrol. Whew, that's big mouthful :) Urban Versis 32^KB ⚡ ^{(talk / contribs)} 02:22, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

You might enjoy reading about the Zhemao hoaxes. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:27, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Or maybe you just mean user pages. DS (talk) 05:20, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Good one, you make a good point. Urban Versis 32^KB ⚡ ^{(talk / contribs)} 23:27, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

I do recommend Uncyclopedia for general silliness! AdmiralAckbar1977 (talk) 01:28, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Draft submission rejected

I dont know why my draft submission got rejected multiple times??? Kumarr Deven (talk) 11:16, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Let's just consider the latest time, Kumarr Deven. Curb Safe Charmer has, on your user talk page, provided two reasons for declining it. And I quote from your draft: Late Gopal Babu Goswami has immortalized his name in golden letters by giving his incomparable contribution to Uttarakhand Geet Music. Even though Gopal Babu is no more today, but the songs derived from his melodious voice are still in people's hearts. Even today, the melodious folk songs sung by gopal babu Goswami give the fragrance of soil in the country and abroad. If you don't know what's wrong with that, Wikipedia is not for you. -- Hoary (talk) 11:33, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Gopal Babu Goswami has been deleted four times. Your effort Draft:GOPAL BABU GOSWAMI has been declined (not rejected) once. Much/most of your own draft is your own desciptions rather than from referenced sources. David notMD (talk) 15:36, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

I get what your intentions are - you are clearly fascinated by Late Gopal Babu Goswami's work and it always feels bad when your article you worked on gets declined. BUT... You have to keep something in mind Wikipedia relies on citations to referenced materials and not personal beliefs and thoughts. I would highly recommend you to read https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Help:Referencing_for_beginners#Inserting_a_reference and then start your new draft. Komchi^✉_☆ 07:01, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your kind reply. Kumarr Deven (talk) 07:54, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your edits. Unfortunately, I had to request a speedy deletion on the draft, which was then deleted. We usually need to follow a neutral point of view (WP:NPOV). Your article's quotations, including immortalised and uncited puffery on early life, is IMHO unacceptable even for a draft. Therefore, I'd recommend you start from scratch and write a better article that is not unambiguously promotional; otherwise, another editor might request speedy deletion again. I hope this helps; if there are any questions, please let me know! VickKiang (talk) 11:26, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Dear @Hoary, I believe your comment here is quite harsh and insensitive. I understand that you may have been upset at the obvious, however Wikipedia is for everyone. Creating new articles in Wikipedia? Maybe not for everyone. Have some Tea. Best. OtuNwachinemere (talk) 14:08, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

@OtuNwachinemere It's pretty clear that @Hoary meant that creating articles might not be for this editor. Wikipedia is, indeed, the encyclopedia that (almost) anyone can edit, provided they follow the rules, do not spam, do not engage in puffery, do not edit with an undisclosed financial stake, always assume good faith, treat fellow editors with respect, do not violate the copyright rules that are in place (mostly because of copyright laws), cite all sources, etc. etc. etc. David10244 (talk) 03:26, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Is my committed identity valid?

I'm considering a new committed identity for Wikimedia projects.

My new committed identity is a PDF file, approximately 75 KB of size, containing the following information:

• Introduction (about the committed identity itself)
• My Wikimedia username
• Biographical information (real name, day and month of birth and country of residence)
• Legal name and first three and last two digits of my Brazilian CPF number (A CPF number looks like 000.000.000-00 where the last two digits are check digits)
• Identity verification instructions

The person verifying my committed identity will verify the hash of my committed identity PDF file, then ask me to send them my CPF registration proof card ("Comprovante de Inscrição CPF"), which contains my legal name, CPF number, date of birth, as well as a QR code which can be used to verify the authenticity of the document and check the registration status (regular, suspended, canceled, etc.). The registration status must be regular, as specified in the "Identity verification instructions" on the committed identity. The legal name, birthday and CPF number on the CPF card must match my committed identity. WPEditor42 (talk • contribs) 00:32, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Also, the person verifying the committed identity must scan the QR code in the CPF card, check if it's a HTTPS URL whose domain is servicos.receita.fazenda.gov.br, then if it is, open the URL and check if my legal name appears in the page located at the URL. If my legal name appears the CPF card is valid. Then the person must check whether the registration status ("Situação cadastral") is regular. WPEditor42 (talk • contribs) 00:44, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

@WPEditor42: why do you want this? lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 02:59, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

@Lettherebedarklight: I want to combine the standard committed identity (a shared secret, stored electronically) with one of my government issued documents (which is stored physically, in a safe place). This helps me further prove my identity to administrators. Using a document like this is even mentioned in the committed identity template documentation.

I will also consider other committed identity options. WPEditor42 (talk • contribs) 18:07, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

@WPEditor42: that's not what i meant. why do you want a committed identity? a strong password should be sufficient security. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 03:58, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

@Lettherebedarklight: I already use a strong password and TOTP.

With a committed identity, you can ask an administrator to reset your password if you can't access your e-mail address. It also makes it easier to recover a compromised account. WPEditor42 (talk • contribs) 09:14, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

@WPEditor42: right, but this is incredibly difficult for administrators to crack. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 15:44, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

• On Wikipedia, the point of a Wikipedia:Committed identity is that it is relatively hard to "crack" but relatively easy to verify for the administrator checking your claim. Your proposed scheme does make it much harder for an attacker to crack, but it also makes it much harder for an administrator to check. I would advise against it. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 08:21, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

  The administrator would have to follow the verification instructions, which I will make very clear. It also has translations for the content in the card. WPEditor42 (talk • contribs) 09:13, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

  I have no doubt that your instructions will be clear. But it’s still a lot more work than applying a hash function to a given string and checking the output. Even if it were not, the point of having a standardized process is that whoever applies it (in that case, the reviewing admin) can do so efficiently, without having to read and understand new instructions every time.

Please answer Lettherebedarklight’s question above. Why is the standard process not enough for you? Do you have reasons to suspect that your committed identity will be subject to cracking attempts much more than a random Wikipedian’s? Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 13:20, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

@Tigraan: OK. I answered Lettherebedarklight, see the answer above. WPEditor42 (talk • contribs) 22:10, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

@Tigraan You can advise against having a committed identity, but many Wikipedia editors have one. I don't know how to set them up, but I would answer the OP if I knew the answer. Your advice can be taken into account, but I think the OP ought to get an answer... David10244 (talk) 03:30, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

I will also consider other text formats such as a plain text file, since they're easier for me to edit if I need to. WPEditor42 (talk • contribs) 21:57, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

As well as adding some more information. I am still creating the committed identity. WPEditor42 (talk • contribs) 23:00, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

I have a similar option at my verification page, though I do agree with the above points i.r.t. "advanced" methods being difficult to replicate for the verifying user. I'd suggest also providing a secure, yet simpler, method (PGP via Keybase is a good option). — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 09:26, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

How to lock a page

Hi Team, I work at a film production company in Mumbai. We have wikipedia pages for our films and one of them is constantly getting edited with incorrect information. Is there a way for us to lock or protect it from being edited since we can proof the veracity of the facts we provide. 123.252.206.147 (talk) 09:12, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. First, you will need to make a formal paid editing disclosure; this is easier to do with an account, but you aren't required to have an account. If the articles about your films have a demonstratable problem with vandalism or other disruption, you may request page protection at this page. Articles are not protected preemptively, or to merely prevent others from editing them- there must be evidence of a problem. 331dot (talk) 09:20, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

prove it on the talk page of the article. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 09:21, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

I know you didn't quite say it in so many words, but your expression "we have wikipedia pages" implies that you could perhaps feel as if the pages in question are 'yours', which they're not. See WP:OWNERSHIP, which explains this. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:49, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

IP editor, DoubleGrazing is right. You do not have articles about your films on Wikipedia; Wikipedia has articles about films that you may have a connection with (you might have even created and directed the films). The films might be yours, but the articles are not. You cannot lock a WP article to your preferred wording or content. If the assertions and statements about your films (that you think are correct) are reliably sourced, then changes made by others (which are not reliably sourced) will not stick. If the articles are being edited with information that is reliably sourced, then that information should stay, even if you disagree with what is said. David10244 (talk) 03:37, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Adding PDF Citations/Refrences.

Hi, I'm trying to make a page on a school (irrelevant) anyways I am trying to add a citation to a sentence I wrote about it's history. For some reason I can't figuire out how to add a pdf as a citation plz help. Msaskiw (talk) 19:38, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Msaskiw, welcome to the Teahouse. Where is this pdf hosted? Is it online? The generic template for citing web content is {{cite web}}. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:23, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

@199.208.172.35It is hosted on the web, example.pdf . It is hosted online. Msaskiw (talk) 21:15, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

@Msaskiw, then all you need to do is plug the information into the {{cite web}} template (url, title and website name should be readily available). Then put the result between <ref> and </ref> and you're all set. See Help:Referencing for beginners for more detailed instructions. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:22, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

@Msaskiw Is the PDF hosted by a site with a reputation for fact-checking, that is, not a blog or personal web site? David10244 (talk) 03:42, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Msaskiw, and welcome to the Teahouse. If this is about the draft in your sandbox, please note that sources from the school are of little value for Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 21:45, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Category:Articles with unsourced statements from September 2,022

Looking at Aitit there is a curious catagory - Category:Articles with unsourced statements from September 2,022 which I don’t seem to be able to remove. Padres Hana (talk) 20:51, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Padres Hana, welcome to the Teahouse. I fixed the problem in this diff (there are several other articles which also need to be fixed). At Template:Infobox settlement, there are the following instructions: "References and {{citation needed}} tags are to be included in their respective section footnotes field." This is because numeric values, such as 2022, are automatically formatted in many of the fields, which breaks the date formatting in the tag (and adds the article to an incorrect category). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:07, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Wait until we get to the year 10,000...... David10244 (talk) 03:45, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Can I use a picture?

I do apologize if this is self explanatory or not where I should ask this. Wikimedia's upload wizard has it so that only copyright free images are allowed. However I contacted the City of Dubuque and they responded, "We ask that you give photo credit to the City of Dubuque. I'm am not familiar with what makes a photo free license or public domain. However, you do have permission to use them as long as you credit the City properly." Can I use a map from them? Marshmallo3535 (talk) 20:10, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Marshmallo3535, welcome to the Teahouse. Short answer: no - that is not enough. If the photo has not been released somewhere under a compatible license, then permission must be sent in writing to Commons by the copyright holder. We do have a board specifically for copyright questions, it's WP:MCQ. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:19, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, I'll be asking them as to what I can do. Marshmallo3535 (talk) 20:23, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Marshmallo, and wecleom to the Teahouse. The IP editor is partly right, but it is not enough for the copyright holder to send "permission". They must formally release it under a suitable licence. See donating copyright materials. ColinFine (talk) 21:50, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Should I send the city that page or is there something else I need to do? Marshmallo3535 (talk) 21:55, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, Marshmallo3535. Send them a link to that page. Cullen328 (talk) 23:13, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

@Marshmallo3535: If you have not sent the email yet, here’s what I advise to send as a reply to their previous email:

As you took the photo, you can choose any license you want to share it. You can choose to release the image under the CC-BY-SA (Creative Commons - Attribution - ShareAlike) license, which is standard on Wikipedia. In that case, you can specify any reasonable photo credit you want (for instance "image courtesy of the City of Dubuque" and/or include a weblink to the City’s webpage). However, note that the license is not just for Wikipedia; anyone who find the photo from Wikipedia can reuse it for any other purpose, as long as they keep the same license and photo credit. You could also choose to release it into the public domain, but in that case, anyone can reuse it for any purpose, even without any photo credit - Wikipedia will credit the source because of its internal policy, but there is no guarantee that a future reuser will do the same.

Legally, all we need from the Wikipedia/Commons side is that they sign the proper paperwork. Morally, it is better if they understand what they are signing for.

(There are also a few email templates at Wikipedia:Example requests for permission.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 12:42, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

I sent the email last night. I asked that the city had rights over it and if they would allow an attribution license. I picked attribution after looking through a bunch of those tags because that sounded the most like what I was told. I asked her if the city wanted anything specific and gave her a couple links to attribution license and general wikimedia tags.

I thank you for helping me; and I am greatly sorry if I made a mistake. Marshmallo3535 (talk) 14:47, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

@Marshmallo3535 You said "I asked that the city had rights over it". Did you mean "I asked if the city had rights over it"? David10244 (talk) 03:44, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I do apologize. More precisely I said "I just want to check that the map is the city's work". Marshmallo3535 (talk) 03:54, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

When do I get qualify to write an article?

Hi everyone! I feel great about the opportunity to share this platform with great editors. Please, when will I be qualified to write an article here? I want to try out a subject I have made good research on.

I am looking forward to your reply. Have a great time! Emmanuelnsejohnson (talk) 18:56, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Emmanuelnsejohnson, welcome to the Teahouse! Anyone can write an article here, even an IP editor like myself - there is no qualification process. However, writing a new article is much more difficult than it looks. The best place to start is by reading Help:Your first article very closely, and taking a look at Referencing for beginners. There's also a tutorial at Help:Introduction. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:39, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, so much. Emmanuelnsejohnson (talk) 15:15, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

@Emmanuelnsejohnson:(edit conflict) The autoconfirmed user right is needed to directly create pages in mainspace, articles included. However, no user rights are nessesary to create a draft, and later submit it for review. Usage of the draft process is strongely reccomended. Please see Your first article for more details about what Wikipedia expects from articles. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:54, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

...if you'd like to do something else to gain experience before starting an article, you may want to check the task center. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 23:20, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

I appreciate your response. Thank you. Emmanuelnsejohnson (talk) 15:15, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Emmanuelnsejohnson (talk) 15:18, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

@Emmanuelnsejohnson I hope your research consists of finding reliable sources that you can cite in your article. WP does not allow original research to be the basis of an article. David10244 (talk) 03:55, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

catalytic converters

Recently, a major television network has a piece on the substitution of copper for other rare metals in catalytic converters. I have found no information in wikipedia on same. Interested in whether there are any start up companies producing products with same particularly for the automobile industry. 100.6.159.160 (talk) 21:45, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. This page is for questions about editing Wikipedia. Your question would be better suited to the Science section of the Reference Desk. ColinFine (talk) 21:56, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

IP editor, very few start-up companies have articles about the company on WP -- new companies often don't have enough reliable information published about them by reliable, independent sources to base an article on. David10244 (talk) 04:16, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Question about purpose of user account

Hi. Could I understand the main idea of creating an account? I know how to create an account, but could tell me the main idea of this? Thanks! 100.11.109.128 (talk) 23:28, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. You may find reading WP:ACCOUNT helpful. 331dot (talk) 23:32, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Now registered. Tailsultimatefan3891 (talk) 23:59, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Your edits will be attributed to a username, your IP address will not be published, you can have a user page, you can set up e-mail notifications, you can customize the user interface through Special:Preferences, etc. WPEditor42 (talk • contribs) 09:16, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Eventually you will be able to edit semiprotected, and extended confirmed protected pages. Also, you can only become an administrator if you are registered. WPEditor42 (talk • contribs) 09:20, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

You get tons of benefits from having an account. Cwater1 (talk) 02:11, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Lol @Cwater1: they were blocked merely two days after account creation for sockpuppetry — Python Drink (talk) 20:12, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Oh That is when they try to bypass a block. Cwater1 (talk) 05:53, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Question about sources

Good Morning everyone,

Does anybody have any extra academic sources concerning the German-Soviet Axis talks? Don't care if they are left- or right-wing, just want some sources, preferably in digital form

Thank you in advance Ιπποκράτης2020 (talk) 09:00, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

@Ιπποκράτης2020, try asking at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:36, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Ok, Thank you very much. Ιπποκράτης2020 (talk) 10:43, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

About Foreign References..

Hello, I've been editing minor details on Wikipedia for some time and I would like to ask how to type a reference. After viewing Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources, are there any more reliable news sources that is usable considering I do not want to get a copyright strike.

For example, I have been editing minor details on the Japanese version of Wikipedia about typhoons and lots of references are from [3],[4],[5],[6]. Are these news references acceptable on the English versions?

Additionally, I do not understand how to (Archieve) a website. Thank you- Layah50♪ (喋ってください!) 07:46, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi registered user, if they haven’t lied about anything, they could be acceptable. I actually don’t know yet though. 2001:8003:B1B8:BF00:441B:ACF9:1716:BEC1 (talk) 08:17, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Layah50, you are confused, or I misunderstand you. What do you mean by "copyright strike"? Sources that are generally regarded as unreliable (for example, the junk British tabloid Daily Express) can occasionally be cited for particular uses; if they are cited, then copyright considerations for them aren't any different from copyright considerations for sources generally regarded as reliable (for example Le Monde). News pages from Mainichi Shinbun, tenki.jp and weathernews.jp would be reliable sources. The TBS page you point to has little videos and doesn't look so impressive; I don't want to comment further on it. For archiving, perhaps start by reading ja:インターネットアーカイブ. -- Hoary (talk) 09:08, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Layah, and welcome to the Teahosue. WP:RSNP is not, and would never claim to be, a complete list of reliable or unreliable soruces. It is a list of sources whose reliability has often been discussed, but there are many more sources which have been discussed occasionally, and I'm sure there are many more which have not been discussed. If you would like opinions on the reliability of those particular sources, ask at WP:RSN (but it's worth searching the archive of that noticeboard first). ColinFine (talk) 11:40, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Preferred term?

Is there a preference for using "Videography" vs "Video" (or "Videos") in band articles? "Videography" matches up with "Discography" both verbally and visually, but to me "Videos" sounds less pretentious. Pete Best Beatles (talk) 04:26, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

It seems that many Wikipedia editors never write of a building being on a street when they can say it's located on the street, never of buying when they can say purchasing, never of living somewhere when they can say residing there instead, etc etc. And so WP articles come to be written in a kind of corporate-advertising-speak, and soporific. I vote (or in Wikipedia-speak "!vote") for "Videos". -- Hoary (talk) 11:41, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

UKRAINE DEFENSE CONTACT GROUP

Wikipedia is missing an important page for Ukraine Defense Contact Group (UDCG). This is US Defense Department project that is 3 month old and has already made 5 meetings.

This contact group is explained sufficiently by google search via DOD reports and elsewhere. When I search Ukraine Defense Contact Group Wiki -- there are obsolete legacy hits.

Newer hits via -- [7]https://nato.usmission.gov/ukraine-defense-contact-group-secretary-of-defense-austin-and-chairman-of-the-joint-chiefs-of-staff-gen-milley-press-avail/

Thank you for looking into this issue, 20 and 30 and 40 nations in contact group to assist Ukraine and perhaps Wikipedia needs new article to explain this complex international meeting group, which is locating into new HQ in Germany. 71.222.62.189 (talk) 05:40, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

If there are reliable sources offering substantial information about the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, then you are welcome to create Draft:Ukraine Defense Contact Group. ("Reliability", as understood here, requires that the source is independent of the group and any of its members.) Note that creating a good draft is very difficult for somebody who lacks experience in Wikipedia, so you'd be well advised to practise making improvements to existing articles before launching a new draft. -- Hoary (talk) 08:54, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a news organ, and has no requirement to be up to date with the latest activities, even in something as important as the Ukraine invasion. An organisation that has been in existence for three months is not likely to have been written about enough to meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability: see WP:TOOSOON. if you think it does mee those criteria, then it is up to you to find those independent sources on which notabililty is based. If you can find them, then, as Hoary says, you may create a draft, but it is very hard work. You might have more success approaching an appropriate WikiProject: perhaps WP:Wikiproject Ukraine or WP:WikiProject International relations, or even WP:WikiProject Military history. ColinFine (talk) 11:49, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Jane Bruce

I think this subject is not notable Jane Bruce. There is only one reference and she is just a teacher with nothing significant. First I would like a second opinion of what you guys think and second I do not know the process of nomination for deletion. I would appropriate instructions or link to the page with such info. Alex Dusers (talk) 08:21, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Alex Dusers Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Information on nominating an article for deletion may be found at Articles for Deletion. 331dot (talk) 08:24, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

@331dot Thank you, but do you think this should be nominated? Alex Dusers (talk) 08:32, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

The fact that it's only cited to a single source is certainly problematic. It's been tagged with maintenance tags by another editor, perhaps those should be given a chance first. 331dot (talk) 08:35, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

If it had no references whatever, that would not be grounds for deletion. Are other references available? (You don't mention having attempted to find any.) -- Hoary (talk) 09:11, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Alex Dusers, and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for thinking about this. The first stage of sending an article to WP:AFD is WP:BEFORE - looking for the sources, to satisfy yourself that they don't exist (not just that they're not cited in the article). Have you done that? ColinFine (talk) 11:36, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

The original editor who created the article in 2014 is @Pburka and they have removed the maintenance tag today, citing WP:ANYBIO and the Dictionary of Canadian Biography. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:47, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Although this article has a very low visitor count (avg about 1 day) that is not grounds for starting an AfD. However, consider whether it is worth your time to try to find more refs or do the AfD. David notMD (talk) 12:26, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Alex Dusers. She was not just a teacher with nothing significant. She was a highly controversial principal of a segregated school who was involved in racial disputes for about a decade. If you read the entry in the Dictionary of Canadian Biography, you will see that it includes many additional references that could be added to the article if someone chooses to do the work. Cullen328 (talk) 17:48, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

New article submission - is Draft:Deep Lake (Deep Learning) good to go or needs more edits? (disclaimer, affiliated with the article topic)

Hi there! looking to submit this article for review, but wanted to get feedback beforehand if this is "good to go" or would need some more work.

Draft:Deep Lake (Deep Learning)#Deep Lake Performance against alternatives, and added third-party references as well.

I copied the structure from https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Data_lake Tensieal (talk) 10:04, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

@Tensieal I'm pretty familiar with standard IT terminology but I have to say I found the draft pretty impenetrable. The concepts need to be explained in much simpler language appropriate to the majority of readers. A couple of specific points. 1) According to WP:LEAD, the lead section should summarise the main article (the part below the table of contents). In the current draft, much of what is in the lead is not mentioned anywhere later (e.g. time traveling, SQL) or not in enough detail later. 2) There should be no external links within the body text such as are present in the "Background" section: see WP:ELPOINTS. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:49, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

hi @Michael D. Turnbull, yes, this is what i was concerned with. Thanks a lot. I'll rewrite to simplify (and take care of the other issues). thanks a lot! Tensieal (talk) 10:57, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

hi @Michael D. Turnbullcould you please take a second look? I've made the text simpler and added examples of the features, which should make the topic more understandable and the lead section now actually summarizes the article. I based the new version off https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Data_lake and https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/NumPy

Regarding simplicity of the text, it's a rather complex subject in itself but anyone who has a beginner level knowledge with terminology (such as data lakes and machine learning) should be able to grasp what the article is about. Tensieal (talk) 10:57, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

apologies for the typo, i meant should now* be able to understand. Tensieal (talk) 12:07, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Tensieal. You should probably include brief explanations of, or wikilinks to articles (if they exist) about, all specialist-area terminology. Remember, this is a global encyclopaedia aimed at general readers, not just people with a prior grounding in a subject. Many readers may not have English as a first language; some may be reading the article because they've come across a reference to "Deep Lake" for the first time and want to find out what that means. I myself have used computers for professional purposes, one way or another, since the 1970's, but have never, ever, heard of "data lakes" before now. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.193.128.129 (talk) 13:50, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

totally on board with all of what you said, @90.193.128.129. I've included all references present on wikipedia, deep learning domain is like 5-10 years old, so not a lot is written on it. :(

I'll do my best to be more general. :) Tensieal (talk) 14:15, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

@Tensieal I've taken a look and made some minor edits, including removing some weird characters (unicode 2028). It will be interesting to see what comments you get from the expert reviewers. Good luck! Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:41, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

thank you so much for your help @Michael D. Turnbull. in the meantime, i'll work on simplifying, hopefully the feedback will be positive. i'll keep you posted!!! Tensieal (talk) 16:42, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Tensieal, you need to decide what the article is to be about − "deep lake", which I think is a machine learning tool or technique, or "Deep Lake", which is I think a product. Switching from one to the other without warning the reader helps make the draft confusing. And a Wikipedia article should be about a single topic. Maproom (talk) 16:50, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

that's a very fair comment, I was aiming it to be about deep lake - a data storage and manipulation method (see: data lake wiki Data lake). I'll make necessary adjustments tomorrow. Tensieal (talk) 17:17, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Still pretty impenetrable (from a person with no IT connection, but three degrees from MIT). Try harder. David notMD (talk) 19:41, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

• Agree with David notMD. And, Tensieal, there are reference problems here. The first is to Github, which to me looks like a dump/webhost, the second and third are to Arxiv, meaning the articles are not peer-reviewed and published for real, and the fourth is another Github thing, with "Google" as the publisher in the citation. Oh, I took out your first word. Drmies (talk) 20:45, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

  Hi @Drmies, I do take refs very seriously. Both arXiv articles are in the later stages of peer-review process and will be published very shortly.

  Regarding the fourth cite, the original post announcing JAX actually asks people to use that citation, that's why I used it. It's odd that they didn't yet publish a paper on it, but it's one of the most popular frameworks out there! Any suggestions in this case? I mean I can provide a reference to a peer-review article that uses JAX (published at the most prestigious computer vision conference), but that wouldn't be the original JAX paper. What do you think? Tensieal (talk) 21:22, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

  @Tensieal "Both arXiv articles are in the later stages of peer-review process and will be published very shortly." How do you know these articles will be published? And when is "very shortly"? David10244 (talk) 04:02, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

hey @David notMD. thanks for your tip. do you mind reading through Data lake and https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/NumPy for me? It would be useful to understand how does this draft fair against those, let's say my article is impenetrable 9 on a scale from 1 to 10. Where do those two stand for you? Tensieal (talk) 20:42, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

First, a confession that my MIT degrees were in the 'wet' sciences (biology, nutrition, nutritional biochemistry). Data lake is rated C-class. I agree. General readability not bad, but it is jargony, and some sentences/paragraphs are a 'sea of blue', (A Wikipedia term meaning that too many words are Wikilinks to other Wikipedia articles in an attempt to explain stuff.) Non-tech readers get tired from having to bounce from DL to those articles and back. Also, Hadoop-based, siloing, using name dropping of companies that are known to use the term "data lake." Criticism (data swamp, data graveyard (in Talk) could use expanding. David notMD (talk) 20:57, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

NumPy is rated START. It is VERY jargony, useful only to IT people. Also choppy writing, probably due to edits over time by many people, with no one person taking on improving the article as a whole. David notMD (talk) 21:05, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

@David notMD oh! OK! this is good to know, because my mental heuristic was picking (1) the closest category page (data lake) and (2) most popular Python package that's vaguely related to what we do (NumPy allows you to wrangle with multidimensional arrays of data, while Deep Lake allows you to stream the arrays to ML models).

Perhaps I should pick better references, I will do some sleuthing, and if you can be so kind and (dis)approve when I get back to you with those it would be really appreciated! Your comments re: the other two are still very useful for re-working the page. I wonder where does the balance lie on writing for non-technical audiences and technical ones when it comes to highly specialized subjects like this. Tensieal (talk) 21:17, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Peruse Wikipedia:Make technical articles understandable. P.S. I will be here less ofter over coming days, as COVID has struck our household. David notMD (talk) 04:54, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

oh my, sorry to hear that @David notMD! wishing you and your family speedy recovery! thank you for the resource. Tensieal (talk) 17:54, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Acceptable edit on a TP?

Again, I don't like calling out other users, but I also try to understand what is and what is not acceptable discourse on talk pages especially. This edit, [8] gives me cause for concern that this editor was not adding value of any type to the conversation on that one particular page, and I believe it is even a hostile edit. That said, this may not fall under any problematic edit of sorts for the WP rules and in that case I will simply move along, but just wanted to understand what is right and wrong with that. TY. — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 18:55, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

That was definitely a problematic edit, is against the rules for the uses of talkpages, and never should have been allowed to remain there as long as it did. For someone with this in their userboxes, "This user respects the beliefs and religions of others", User:Mycranthebigman has a lot of gall. It was placed there so long ago now, probably no use in reporting as doubtful any meaningful action would be taken. Heiro 19:44, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

I understand any punishment given. I do not remember placing that message, but I have no doubt that I did it, knowing how I am with my views sometimes. I'd like to apologize for the hostile edit. Mycranthebigman of Alaska ^_^ 19:49, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

User:Mycranthebigman, sinces measures here are preventative (to stop ongoing damage to the 'pedia) and not punitive, no "punishment" will likely be forthcoming. But if a pattern of such edits emerges in the future then blocking your ability to edit could be seen as a preventative measure to protect the project from unconstructive edits. I'm not an admin and have no ablity to apply such measures, so that isn't a threat, merely an observation of one possible outcome if it happens in future. Heiro 20:17, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

User:Heironymous_Rowe Understood. I'll make sure to watch my behavior. This was a one-off, it seems, and I'm disappointed in myself that it happened. Wishing you the best. Mycranthebigman of Alaska ^_^ 20:22, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

list problem

Hi, i'm trying to make a page on Lace code but i can't figure out how to make those lists that split sections? Starryxavien (talk) 19:21, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

User:Starryxavien Assuming you mean a table of contents, you don't make it, it will appear automatically once you have 4 sections - Please see H:TOC for more details - Arjayay (talk) 19:28, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Once you create sections in Draft:Lace Code the software will automatically create a table of contents. A note - references are essential. David notMD (talk) 19:43, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

ah, okay, thank you! Starryxavien (talk) 20:38, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

@Starryxavien You might be better to expand part of the existing article at Skinhead#Footwear, which talks about that subject (but doesn't have proper citations). Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:28, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

thanks! Starryxavien (talk) 20:39, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

error

the fear test won userbox isn't working, please go to my page and edit it to fix it Allaoi (talk) 17:39, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

The OP has been indefinitely blocked. (I've no idea why, but it saves us the trouble of trying to decrypt their request.) Maproom (talk) 18:53, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

It seems they were blocked per WP:NOTHERE, in case anybody was wondering.

Asparagusus (interaction) 23:27, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Is this draft page fine now?

I don't sure whether this page fixed all issues. Is it okay to submit it? HaydenWong (talk) 16:01, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Draft:GB 12345 has been declined. See articles on other Chinese-symbol programming coding for more depth of information. David notMD (talk) 00:24, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Yo...

How do I make the boxes on my user page line neatly? Hank Benson (talk) 23:39, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, @Hank Benson, and welcome to the Teahouse! I personally use a set of templates called {{Userboxtop}} and {{Userboxbottom}}, which you put, respectively, above and below your userboxes! Hope this helps! Here's the section on the guideline for userboxes that talks about these templates.

Asparagusus (interaction) 00:59, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Exhibiting my Pencil Drawings

Hello

I am a young Artist from Eastern Cape.I wish to know how can I become well known through Art, and how can I make money and help people with my talent. Sonwabiso Pongoshe (talk) 07:23, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Sonwabiso Pongoshe Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. This is a place to ask questions about using Wikipedia; you should probably ask an art gallery or art school those sorts of questions. 331dot (talk) 07:25, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

331dotThank you ...for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonwabiso Pongosohe (talk • contribs)

How Do You Update Existing Articles

I am the Assistant Program Director for two local radio stations in Charleston SC. I was wondering how to update content about these stations to accurately reflect current airstaff and add factual milestones and achievements to history timeline of these stations. WXLY - Wikipedia WEZL - Wikipedia Ricrushradio (talk) 04:41, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

@Ricrushradio: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1166. Before heading any further into editing those articles, please disclose your paid relationship per Wikipedia policy. Then, do not directly edit the articles; use their talk pages (which you can find a tab for at the top of the page) to submit edit requests that are supported by reliable sources, which are typically independent of the subject. Please note that Wikipedia is not a place to laud or promote its subjects. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:03, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

@Ricrushradio - the edit request wizard can help you submit requests in a more convenient form. As Tenryuu notes, you'll want to get your reliable secondary sources to hand before you start, after you've disclosed. Best of luck. Nosebagbear (talk) 10:17, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Ricrushradio. Part of the reason why you should not edit the article directly is that what you regard as a milestone may not be so regarded by a consensus of Wikipedia editors. If it has been reported on by somebody unconnected with you (and not prompted eg by a press release), then it is more likely to be accepted as appropriate for the article, though it won't necessarily be. If it's something that nobody else has felt it worth reporting, then it's likely that Wikipedia will not either ColinFine (talk) 10:33, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Paper Rex draft article

Hey there,

I'm currently working on a draft for a Singaporean esports organization called Paper Rex. The org was founded in 2020 and there isn't a lot of articles mentioning it's history except their own Twitter page. However, I did manage to find a page by a reliable source. Can I use cite the page for all the history?

The article: https://www.sportskeeda.com/team/paper-rex-valorant-team

My draft:Draft:Paper Rex (esports) Dulcetia (talk) 06:15, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

@Dulcetia - organisations require multiple suitable sources, and generally we prefer three, so one suitable source would not be sufficient. Nosebagbear (talk) 10:33, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Your problem is finding independent reliable sources: Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. The piece in sportskeeda looks rather as if it has been created from press releases rarther than by independent research. I may be wrong, but even then, as Nosebagbear says, one independent source is not enough. there isn't a lot of articles mentioning it's history except their own Twitter page is an immediate flag that it is probably WP:TOOSOON. ColinFine (talk) 10:38, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Inquiries

Please, how can I put a profile of a government official on Wikipedia? Onoja1 (talk) 11:20, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

You start by deciding whether this person is likely to be notable according to Wikipedia's criteria. If so, you gather reliable sources about this person, and write a draft, which summarizes what those sources say, and cites them meticulously. (If the person does not meet Wikipedia's notability criteria, you give up.) You then submit the draft. This submission is unlikely to succeed unless you already have experience of successfully improving existing articles. -- Hoary (talk) 11:40, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

And if you are successful, the result will not be a "profile" but an encyclopaedia article. The difference is that it will not necessarily say what the subject would like it to say, but instead will be a summary of what independent reliable sources have published about the person, good and bad. ColinFine (talk) 13:17, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

uploading photo for a person

how can i upload a photo of the biografi page of a person ? from the news i can not be sure if the photo has copyright ? thank you so much from now Ihcm (talk) 13:27, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Ihcm Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The short answer is that you cannot use any random photo you find on the internet or in the news, as these are copyrighted. The easiest thing to do is to use a photo you personally took with your own camera. 331dot (talk) 13:31, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Who is the Teahouse?

At the Tearoom 2600:1014:A007:5FCC:789E:1BF9:D0B6:4BA1 (talk) 12:32, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

At the Teahouse you can ask questions and get help with using and editing Wikipedia. Sungodtemple (talk) 13:38, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The Teahouse is a place where you can ask questions regarding editing Wikipedia. Do you have any questions? Kpddg ^(talk) 13:40, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

declined article

hi could i get help to see why this article was declined please. Also to get feedback what i can do to improve it so it can be published. link to the article- Draft:Jagraj Singh Shersingh1984 (talk) 14:48, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

@Shersingh1984: It should be obvious from the reason given declining the article. Your sources are poor. Sikhism websites have a connection to the subject (not independent of the subject), a YouTube channel cannot be used to evaluate notability, and the obituaries, while independent and likely reliable, don't give significant coverage of the subject. If the only independent reliable sources you have are obituaries, well, newspapers publish obituaries for almost anyone, notable or not, so this doesn't establish notability either. See Wikipedia:Golden rule to get an idea of what is required. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:13, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

The submission of a new article: Bruno Samper

Hello, I created a new draft article: Bruno Samper and waiting for it to be reviewed and submitted. Could I kindly ask somebody to review the article and help for it to be submitted. Thank you! JaninaBZ (talk) 12:14, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Bruno Samper was declined on 25 September, revised by JaninaBZ and resubmitted. Improvements can continue to be made while awaiting a review. David notMD (talk) 12:19, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes, that's correct. My question is if there is anyone who could review the new submission. Thank you! JaninaBZ (talk) 12:24, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Teahouse hosts are gneralists, here to advise on how to reference, neutral point of view, copyright issues, etc. Unlikely that anyone will have knowledge of French video games and films. There are unreferenced sentences such as "His works transmit strong sense of aesthetics, audience interaction and unique Worldbuiling." that either need to be referenced to a source or removed. David notMD (talk) 12:30, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. JaninaBZ (talk) 12:36, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

There are no deadlines on Wikipedia. Just be patient, someone will eventually get to it. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:17, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

question

can an ip address be indefinitely blocked? i ask because theres a IP indef block template 104.235.78.74 (talk) 03:37, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse! Yes, an IP user can be indefinitely blocked, and it's happened tons of times from what I've seen. Hope this answers your question! Helloheart (talk) 03:51, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

hi, im that IP address, thats interesting that ive never seen it used since theres like 2 LTA's on my IP range lol 2600:1008:B157:CF83:781F:5A3F:A2A6:CFEE (talk) 15:39, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Actually the only time IPs are permanently blocked that I know of is for open proxies, Tor exit nodes and such. For disruptive editing, IPs are usually blocked at most for a year or two. In any case, you can get an account and apply for IP block exemption if that ever becomes a problem. Madeline (part of me) 16:03, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Article copied substantially from another source

This section of the article is copied from an external source. Source is out of copyright, so no problem there. But most of article is a copy-paste. Feels wrong, but I couldn't find a template to tag it with. Doktor Züm (talk) 20:16, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Doktor Züm, When a section is copied from a free source, it should be paraphrased, BUT, when I find very technical descriptions of living things, I'll either paraphrase, which typically involves removing most of the specialist minutiae, or else use a quotation template which seems most appropriate to the situation (this may be less work).--Quisqualis (talk) 20:36, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Quisqualis, thanks, very useful. I went with plain blockquote. Doktor Züm (talk) 22:37, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Is The Xing Xing Digital Article Gonna Get More Details

I Think It Is Too Easy To Read So It Needs More Details Kidtommee (talk) 23:47, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Xing Xing Digital Jolly1253 (talk) 00:29, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

It is a draft that you created (without references), now declined twice. The burden is on you to make it better before resubmitting. David notMD (talk) 00:32, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

FYI, promotion going back nearly a month. @Kidtommee I suggest you find a different subject to edit about as it's unclear whether this company is notable. Star Mississippi 01:22, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

It's Mostly Known For Animating The Welsh Series Fireman Sam/Sam Tan Kidtommee (talk) 21:11, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

OP is indefinitely blocked for WP:CIR or trolling. Jolly1253 (talk) 01:01, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

editing glitch which moves cursor, disallows my use of capital letters

When I open a new discussion section nowadays, it seems I am allowed to use capital letters some of the time, as here where I have used "When" and "I". But some of the time, even within the same edit where I have successfully used some capital letters, I am disallowed: when I type a capital letter the cursor is moved to the beginning of the of the posting. The only way I can proceed is to use "when" and "i", etc. What gives? Is there something in my account which needs to be changed? --Doncram (talk) 16:38, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Doncram, welcome to the Teahouse. That's very odd indeed. The folks at VPT are probably best suited to help you, but perhaps a little more information is in order - does this only happen when starting a new discussion/section? Have you noticed it in both source and VE mode? Does switching between them help at all? Do you have any special discussion tools enabled on your account? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:41, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I am opening a discussion section at VPT with same title (so it will soon be at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#editing glitch which moves cursor, disallows my use of capital letters), giving some more info, too. Thanks, --Doncram (talk) 18:06, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

P.S. It was good advice to go to VPT. Mine was an apparently rare problem, resolved there (permalink to VPT version where it was sorted). --Doncram (talk) 05:37, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

When should I request closure from an admin (or wait)?

A requested move request Talk:Nadezhda_Tolokonnikova#Requested_move_26_September_2022 here has elapsed after 7 days, with consensus (unanimous) support. I am unclear if I should post this in the Wikipedia:Closure_requests or simply let it exist in the elapsed / backlog on Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Current_discussions. I believe it needs an admin to close because there was a prior move request. Pathofkarma (talk) 05:29, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

I'd just wait for now, someone should see it in the backlog soon. If it stays open several days past due, it might be appropriate to request attention somewhere. Madeline (part of me) 06:05, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Questions about reverting edits

A couple questions about reverting:

• Is there an easy way to revert multiple edits at once, or to revert the contents of an edit that is not the most recent? Or are we stuck manually copy-pasting the diffs?
• Is there an easy way to generate reversion edit summaries when reverting without using the "undo" button? In particular can I link to a user or IP user without manually typing the contribs link? I've noticed that templates don't work in the summary box.

Thanks! WPscatter ^t/_c 04:29, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

For your first question, you can revert the page to a previous revision by clicking on the timestamp in the page history, then clicking "edit", and immediately saving the page. Twinkle also provides an easy way to do this. The undo function can also undo edits that aren't the latest, as long as no other edits have changed the same text since. Madeline (part of me) 06:08, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Why are all the Wikimedia projects multilingual?

FYI

 – Combined queries. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:38, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Multilingual Wikimedia projects 2607:FEA8:FD00:80B8:F5E7:1560:A31C:2F16 (talk) 22:34, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

I am figuring out why Wikimedia projects are multilingual. Can you please tell me?

Hello. The Wikimedia Foundation says We help everyone share in the sum of all knowledge. "Everyone" implies content in all regularly spoken languages. Cullen328 (talk) 23:06, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328 Are all of the projects within the encyclopedia multilingual? David10244 (talk) 03:46, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

David10244, when you talk about Wikimedia projects, and projects within this encyclopedia, you are talking about two very different things. A Wikimedia project has its own website, its own policies and guidelines, and its own governance. Wikipedia is not one project. It is 329 separate projects in 329 languages. So, Wikipedia as a whole is the second most multilingual project in human history, after Bible translations, but each individual Wikipedia is monolingual. Wikimedia Commons is multilingual. I am not familiar enough with the smaller projects to evaluate them. Here on English Wikipedia, we have various WikiProjects, some of which are active but most of which are inactive. They all operate in English, but do not have separate websites or their own policies. Cullen328 (talk) 04:39, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328 Ah, I was thinking about English Wikipedia projects like the "Wikiproject: Military History" WP:WikiProject_Military_history and other things at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Guide. These things are called "projects", but I realize they are not Wikimedia projects but Wikipedia projects. Overlapping terminology, and some (mostly less-experienced editors, I suppose) will confuse Wikimedia with Wikipedia, even though they are different.

And wow, these Wikimedia projects are second multilingually (if that's a word) only to the Bible translations? That's cool. Now I get it, thanks. David10244 (talk) 04:25, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

David, Well, maybe third place. Also, if you run into words like WikiProject or other terms that seem like they might have a special meaning in the context of Wikipedia, you can check the Wikipedia:Glossary and look the word up. Mathglot (talk) 06:57, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

@Mathglot Thanks for that. David10244 (talk) 08:35, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

How should I go about changing the name of my draft article

How should I go about changing the name of my draft article Wikikoolr (talk) 20:14, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Wikikoolr and welcome to the Teahouse! If you are talking about Draft:Nintendo Switch Errors then to move the page I might contact a Page Mover (WP:PMR) but looking at your draft, before submitting it you would need to add references (see WP:Referencing for beginners) to make sure you establish the article's notability and maybe copyedit it a little. Happy Editing! Helloheart (talk) 20:22, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Makes sense, but I have one more question in how such page mover works? Wikikoolr (talk) 20:25, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

@Wikikoolr Do not attempt or request such a page move! Your article is quite unacceptable in its current form for the reasons already mentioned. Moreover, there is already an article Nintendo Switch system software which is much more comprehensive and to which you may add your meagre extra information, provided you also add citations to reliable sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:29, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Could have been more nice on telling me that Wikikoolr (talk) 22:42, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Speaking only for myself, while Wikipedia guidelines call for not biting the newish editors, at time the same shortfalls appear again and again, and Teahouse hosts can become less tactful, even terse, in their replies. I imagine Michael D. Turnbull was having one of those moments ("...your meagre extra information." David notMD (talk) 00:28, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

@Wikikoolr It's not surprising that a computer or console system will fail if some of its hardware is missing or has failed. So, one of your two points doesn't really say much, unfortunately. David10244 (talk) 09:02, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

edits

I published an edit, saw if briefly, but now it is not visible. Please explain. Piecesofeight$5 (talk) 22:50, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

That's because it appears you added material about a book that doesn't cite why it's important or WP:NOTABLE enough for mention in an encyclopedia. It was likely removed per our policy on WP:SPAM here [9]. Heiro 23:04, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Piecesofeight$5 (talk) 23:33, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. 2601:483:4100:52E0:0:0:0:3A76 (talk) 16:30, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Additionally, Piecesofeight$5, because it was promotional. I quote: "Destined to be a cult classic for sailors, treasure hunters, and Silicon Valley want-to-be's." Saying that such-and-such a commercial product (book, movie, etc) is destined to be this or that kind of classic is optimistic promotion and has no business appearing in any encyclopedia, unless perhaps it's clearly labeled as having been written by a particular, named person whose opinions carry a lot of weight. -- Hoary (talk) 12:13, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

@Piecesofeight$5 Also, see wp:crystalball David10244 (talk) 09:05, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Adding media to user page.

Hello again

How can I add media like images on my user page? Sonwabiso Pongoshe (talk) 08:46, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Sonwabiso. Adding media to a user page is no different from adding media anywhere else, except that the special rules that sometimes allow uploading non-free images will never apply, so all images must be licensed for free use. See Help:Upload for more information. ColinFine (talk) 10:43, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Judging by your previous posting, I'm guessing that you want to put some of your own artwork on your user page. This is permitted, but you should be aware of two things:

1. . User pages are for sharing and discussing ourselves and our interests as Wikipedia editors. A little more information about our lives outside, and some pictures that we want to share, are fine; but Promotion is not permitted. If what you put on your user page looks to other editors as if you are trying to promote your work, it is likely to be deleted: see WP:UPNO.
2. . If you upload your own work to Commons, this will require you to license it in such a way that anybody, anywhere, may reuse or alter it for any purpose. If that's what you want, fine; but if you are wanting to make a career as an articleartist, this might not be a good idea for you.

Having looked at your user page, I strongly recommend that you read WP:guidance for younger editors, and I suggest that you remove the personal information you have shared, and contact the oversight team to ask them to remove it from the history. ColinFine (talk) 11:11, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

@ColinFine You meant "... career as an artist...", right? David10244 (talk) 09:37, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Oops! Thanks, David10244. --ColinFine (talk) 09:53, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

How can i contact to editor of a wikipedia page

How can i contact to the editor of a wikipedia page ? to ask some changing and some uploads thank you @331dot Ihcm (talk) 14:34, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

@Ihcm: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1166. Most articles aren't edited by only one editor, and the one who made the first edit on them doesn't have any more power than subsequent editors. If you're unable to edit an article because you don't meet its protection threshold, you can submit an edit request on the article's talk page, which can be accessed with the Talk tab at the top of the page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:38, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much for information i am new in wikipedia but i start to learn more :) thank you @Tenryuu Ihcm (talk) 07:59, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Ihcm Your only interest to date appears to be Cesur Durak. The article has been nominated for deletion. You have argued against the deletion at AFD, and also edited the article. There is no need to contact the person who created the article in order to add more content. David notMD (talk) 20:18, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @David notMD i just saw discussion about The article has been nominated for deletion because of l live in romania and i know Romanian I wanted to contribute because i saw wrong tranlations from romanian media in deletion discussion.As i know cesur durak that birings Detox healthy life style to the romania around 7 years aga and detox healthy life style became most popular subject in Romania and i am following and making his natural recipes and advices. like a lot Romanian people and so many politions known public people has been his detox program and so many news abot that was the reason. For argued that's you mention i like to inform you to clear misunderstanding i didn't argued just when i saw Afd wrote this '' +1 the above. Though again, considering the Turkish sources are absolute shit, I doubt the Romanian ones are any different, so you need to be very good at convincing. styyx'' I only replied to this comment as I do not accept insults and humiliation for any country or community in the world.i believe that is not place to insult wikipedia platform .when is about decisions to accept article or delete article i think it should be by references links etc not just by idea or comment .That is the reason i wanted translet from romanian to english and to put referances for the the other AFD to see befor to make desicions to have more and correct information. but without knowing if i made any mistake i am sorry from everybody. Ihcm (talk) 08:35, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Ihcm First, too many words. Wikipedia reviewers and Administrators are made unhappy if there is a hugh 'wall' of text or URLs to work through. As I wrote, you are permitted to improve the article while it is being considered for deletion. What is essential are references that are indepedent from Durak, i.e., not written by him, or interviews, or press releases, that are about him at some length - meaning not just a brief mention - in any language. I know nothing about him or his area of expertise, and so have nothing to contribute. David notMD (talk) 11:18, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Where can I ask other questions?

I know the Teahouse is about asking editing questions, so is there a place I can ask other questions about Wikipedia? סשס Grimmchild 13:04, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

@Grimmchild: yes, we have the wikipedia:help desk. but if you want to ask a question, only ask it at one spot. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 13:20, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

@Grimmchild Welcome to Wikipedia. Teahouse hosts don't mind directing new editors to the correct area if we can't provide answers here, so go ahead and ask! As already advised, don't make the mistake of asking in multiple places initially, as that can waste the responder's time. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:22, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

No source is good enough for one specific user

Something that was formerly in the lead of the Lee Zeldin article was that he was formerly the youngest attorney in the state. For whatever reason, it has been removed. I have been trying to add this back into the lead, but one user keeps reverting any edit I try to make and keeps saying that all of the sources are unreliable. You can view this link and look at citation 2 to see that I had 13 sources cited for this one claim, including sources that appear on WP:RSPSS. The more sources I try to add, the more I am threatened with being blocked from editing. I have also asked this user to use the article talk page rather than my personal one to talk about edits to this article (so other users can see and possibly contribute). I'm not sure what to do from here, so I figured I would come ask for advice. How can I go about adding this back to the lead? It seems that no source I put is "good enough" for this one user. GeorgeBailey (talk) 13:53, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

@GeorgeBailey Hello and welcome to the Teahouse! I would say you have to open a discussion on the article talk page to reach consensus with the editor that you are having a edit war with, since you are the one who is attempting to add the detail into the article. Jolly1253 (talk) 14:11, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

@Jolly1253 I put something on the talk page. Hopefully I get a response. Looking at the sources, do you think the sources solidify the claim being made? Both sides of the edit war could be wrong, which is why I'm here seeking an outside opinion. Thanks for your help. GeorgeBailey (talk) 14:24, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

@GeorgeBailey: Please see Wikipedia:Third opinion. That's where you go to request a third opinion in a dispute between two editors. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:15, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello @GeorgeBailey and welcome to the Teahouse! I agree with @Anachronist on going to get a third opinion, but if this gets really serious I would go to WP:ANI. However, don't do this unless it gets really bad. I wouldn't edit the article any more, because it looks to me as if you do, you might break the rule on edit warring. First ask for a third opinion, and then if it gets too serious go to ANI. I hope this gets resolved! 17:17, 2 October 2022 (UTC) Helloheart (talk) 17:17, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

@Anachronist: Thank you! I will post there if the user does not respond on the talk page. I appreciate your help!

GeorgeBailey, cutting to the chase, it seems to me that your primary "transgression" was in incorrectly placing your citations in the article. It took me years to notice that the citations at the end of an article are added to the article text. That's why they are called WP:inline citations. Just re-do your citations in the inline format to make them proper. Your opponent didn't mention this simple error, and I'm wondering if it may have been due to their disagreeing with your added content on ideological grounds. I do not know, as I didn't look at your added material. There may still be a disagreement here, but at least not a disagreement caused by any error on your part, provided your sources are reliable.--Quisqualis (talk) 20:50, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

They do appear inline in the version of the article linked to above, Quisqualis. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:59, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

@GeorgeBailey It may be relevant that WP:LEAD says that the lead serves as an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important contents. In this version of the article you added the information about him being the youngest attorney into the lead without the same information being anywhere in the main article. That alone might have been grounds for reverting you. (I have no comment on the actual content, which needs to be discussed on the Talk page, as already mentioned.) Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:44, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

How do I put a box for additional info on a page

how do put a box for additional info on a page Wikikoolr (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, @Wikikoolr, and welcome to the Teahouse. Are you asking about an infobox?

Asparagusus (interaction) 23:22, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes Wikikoolr (talk) 02:36, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

@Wikikoolr, there are many different types of infoboxes for many different types of articles. You can see a long, long list at Wikipedia:List of infoboxes. Also, an overview of how to use them is at Help:Infobox. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:06, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

help with declined article

Hi,

One of my articles was declined, Draft:List of T-ara live performances. Normally, I'd have a conversation with the admin on how to improve it and where the admin points out my mistakes. Here, I didn't find where my errors are exactly. From what I understood from the review, my article is biased, but the thing is I didn't actually write much in it in the first place. I only wrote 3 lines as an introduction which were from the articles. The rest is tables and lists.

For reference, this type of article is common for musicians (Taylor Swift, Ariana Grande, Blackpink...) and I followed the same format, I added nothing new.

ALL my sources are Nate.Ko approved, all official articles (WP:WP Korea/Reliable sources)

So, I really don't understand how to improve the article and it'll be useless to re-submit it without editing it.

Can someone at least point me in the right direction here? RWikiED20 (talk) 08:32, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

RWikiED20, it starts "South Korean girl T-ara has embarked on numerous headlining concert tours, three of which were nationawide tours in Japan and mainland China." (i) I couldn't parse "South Korean girl T-ara"; but after clicking the link I infer that you mean(t) "the South Korean girl group T-ara". (ii) Saying that they embarked on these tours rather suggests to me that they dropped out of a significant number before completion; do you really mean this? (iii) The browser I'm now using (Firefox) puts a wiggly red line under "nationawide" to mean "Unknown word, perhaps a typo". None of these three is particularly serious, but three in the opening sentence might have been a bit of a turn-off for the reviewer (Johannes Maximilian, who, like most reviewers, isn't an administrator). -- Hoary (talk) 09:09, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

1) The first ones you mentionned are typos (that somehow I didn't notice despite reviewing my own draft 3 times)

2) I think it's more about the content rather than the grammar here. RWikiED20 (talk) 12:35, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Also, just looking at what Hoary has quoted, "has embarked on numerous headlining concert tours" looks like PR-speak for "has toured". Note that the reviewer who declined is probably not an admin (they may be, I haven't checked, but there is no reason to expect them to be). Note also that reliability is only one of the three requirements on a source to demonstrate notability: the other two are independence from the subject, and significant coverage. Again, I haven't checked your draft, and I don't know if this is relevant or not, but inexperienced editors often focus on reliabililty of sources and miss the other points. ColinFine (talk) 09:40, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Indeed; the text is not exactly well-written (i.e. it is, as noted, gibberish), and contains PR-speak. The draft in question contains four sentences; now, composing four basic sentences that briefly describe the topic in a neutral manner shouldn't be a problem for someone who is able to use citer.toolforge.org and who can make substantial and advanced edits. Best regards, --Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 11:14, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

1) I actually wrote "toured" at first, but then it seemed a bit "biased" to me so I changed it to "has embarked".

2) As I said earlier, all the sources I provided are independant from the subject, as for the "significant coverage", I didn't write much because everything was going to be in the lists/tables anyway, I thought it was useless to repeat the same things.

Example: describing the whole "Bunny Style" tour would be repeating the same things since everything is already on the single's main article. RWikiED20 (talk) 12:41, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

@RWikiED20, "significant coverage" does not refer to what you write about the subject - it refers to what your sources have written about the subject. If, for instance, they only mention it in passing, that is not significant coverage. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:12, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

I have created a new word

I like to add a word and Wikipedia because I created it and I want to get credit for it SkinnyKinny (talk) 15:13, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

SkinnyKinny Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is exactly the wrong place to do that, sorry. Please read WP:MADEUP. 331dot (talk) 15:15, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

SkinnyKinny, also relevant is WP:NEOLOGISM which says Articles on neologisms that have little or no usage in reliable sources are commonly deleted, as these articles are often created in an attempt to use Wikipedia to increase usage of the term. Cullen328 (talk) 16:37, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Visual edit - adding several authors manually

When the VisualEditor requires citations to be inserted manually and Website is clicked "can suffix with a numeral to add additional authors" appears as part of the instructions beneath "Last name". An example would be useful since adding 1 and 2 following last letter of the last name or with a space between them, or just 2, results in the numerals appearing as part of the draft citation. I produced a two-author citation by entering one as a Last name and the other as a First name but what should I have done? Mcljlm (talk) 16:53, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

What that line means is that you add multiple authors in wikitext by entering for example {{Cite news|last1=Nordmann |first1=Ola |last2=Virtanen |first2=matti etc. In the visual editor, you can do this by checking off the boxes on the left labelled "Last name 2", "First name 2", "Last name 3", and so on for as many authors as you need. Those fields will then appear in the menu where you can type the names. Madeline (part of me) 17:33, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Should it be possible for me correct my original citation so that it appears correctly when "edit source" is clicked? Mcljlm (talk) 18:38, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

In the visual editor you can click on a footnote number and then on "edit" to bring up the menu again. Madeline (part of me) 18:53, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

I need help

How do get a Wikipedia made about my artist and record label on here I don’t understand how to use Wikipedia http://en.m.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Special:Homepage&namespace=0 Boogeymanklan1 (talk) 13:53, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Boogeymanklan1, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that the answer is, almost certainly, you don't. Because Wikipedia is such a popular site, many people have got the utterly utterly utterly wrong idea that it is for people to tell the world about themselves, or their brands, or their companies. In fact, promotion of any kind is forbidden anywhere on Wikipedia.

If you meet the Wikipedia's criteria for notability (but not if you don't), then there could be an article about you. You are strongly discouraged from writing it yourself; and if it gets written (by anybody) it will not belong to you, it will not be controlled by you, and it may contain material that you did not want there.

Please find somewhere else to do your promotion. ColinFine (talk) 14:10, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

@Boogeymanklan1 In addition to what Colin has said, please don't attempt to hijack existing articles to insert information about yourself or your clients, as you did within our article on Mark Springer. That sort of action is something that may get your account blocked from editing as someone else has to waste their time undoing your additions. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:17, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

I'll add the customary link to this explanation of why an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:38, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

There may be user name issues here as well, @Boogeymanklan1, since Boogey Man Klan is apparently the name of your record label. A user name must represent yourself as an individual, not an organization. I'd recommend applying for a WP:RENAME to avoid a potential block. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:45, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

On own Talk page, Boogeymanklan1 states he is going to stop trying to get an article created for the artist and label he represents. David notMD (talk) 15:07, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

 Note: OP has been blocked for promotional edits and a username that contravenes Wikipedia's username policy. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:30, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

How can I improve this article?

The reason I created Draft:Ancomah was because information has been scarce on it since the mid two thousands. I have used every unique online source that shares meaningful information on the topic. All other sources that mention Ancomah only briefly mention that it may have been the site of Atlantis. I went back and improved my citations by adding more names and replacing sources without names. What should I do to make this article antiquate? ParkerHaley2003VersionTwo (talk) 21:11, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, ParkerHaley2003VersionTwo. None of your sources are reliable. Without reliable sources devoting significant coverage to the topic, it is not possible to write an acceptable Wikipedia article. Cullen328 (talk) 21:16, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello ParkerHaley2003VersionTwo. It may be helpful to read Wikipedia:Reliable sources. There's a lot in this link to go through, but it's important to understand what is and isn't considered reliable on Wikipedia. Other websites may have different standards, but if you choose to write for Wikipedia, you need to follow Wikipedia guideline in regard to references. Best wishes to you. Karenthewriter (talk) 21:32, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia Incentives

What are Wikipedia's rewards for contributors, that is, for the people who create articles, edit articles, make edits. Or are there no incentives? Does everything happen on a pro bono basis? Nataly Yuzhakova (talk) 09:31, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Nataly Yuzhakova Firstly, please do not post the same question hers and at the Help desk. As for your question, other than an occasional pat on the back or a virtual badge - everything is pro bono. - Arjayay (talk) 09:35, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Many editors post on their User page how many articles they have created, how many they have raised to Good Article or Featured Article, and the number of total edits made. For the last, there are Userboxes that incorporate automated edit counters. None of this equates to payments. David notMD (talk) 11:46, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Service awards are self-awarded (honor system) or awarded by other editors. David notMD (talk) 11:56, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello Nataly Yuzhakova. My incentive for researching and writing edits to articles (and occasionally creating new ones) is knowing that I've provided reliable, well-referenced information on a topic that I felt was not adequately covered on Wikipedia. I love history, and I enjoy knowing I've provided accurate information to those who would never spend weeks looking for elusive information, but will take a minute to see if Wikipedia has an article on the subject. I'm gaining knowledge while helping others, and I find that more rewarding than earning a few dollars for writing something. Karenthewriter (talk) 14:06, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Nataly, my motivation is pretty similar to Karenthewriter's, mostly the satisfaction of providing accurate information about a topic to the public, and like Karen, often in history (most often French history in my case, but not always). Another reason, is to keep up my language skills, because I also do translations from other Wikipedias. Another motivation is to learn about history myself, because writing an article about something you're not familiar with forces you to do a lot of research and find good, reliable sources and read up, before you can write anything, and it's a lot of fun to learn new things. One of my favorite things, is to find what I call "gap topics" in history, meaning an important topic that doesn't have a Wikipedia article about it. You would think with over 6 million articles, every major topic worth writing about has been written already, but it's not true: for example, I created Liberation of France and War guilt question when I found that they didn't already exist. Finally, another reason is to keep up a certain kind of technical skill by writing or modifying templates. Hope this helps, Mathglot (talk) 21:54, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Help with disparity of information on the page and in the citation

Hello, I am adding information on https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Carbon_tax#cite_note-88 Under Japan, it says that Japan does not tax carbon emission directly. But, this citation from Bloomberg https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-07/asian-carbon-pricing-not-enough-to-change-polluter-behavior mentions that Japan was the first Asian country to impose a national carbon tax, in 2012. Could someone please tell me what is recommended in such situations when there is contradicting information on the page and in citations? Thank you. ANLgrad (talk) 21:51, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, ANLgrad, and Welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for your diligence in finding this.

The ideal answer, if you have the time and the interest, is to resolve the problem: if the existing information is uncited, simply replace it with the correct information and cite that. If it is cited, check whether the existing citation supports what is said. If it doesn't, remove it and the citation. If it does, consider whether one of the sources is clearly more reliable than the other, and if so, ignore the other one. If the sources differ, and both appear reliable, then the article should say that the sources differ, cite both, and leave the reader to decide between them.

Obviously this is a lot of work. Two alternatives that involve less work are 1) bring the matter up on the talk page. Depending on how many people watch the talk page and how active and interested they are, this may prompt somebody to resolve the issue, or may not. Another approach is to apply one or more Cleanup tags, for example {{dubious}} or {{failed verification}}, as appropriate. Either or both of these actions will at least alert others that there may be a problem. The cleanup tags will be visible to anybody reading the article, whereas a note on the talk page will only by seen by editors who go looking for it or have the article on their watchlists. ColinFine (talk) 22:29, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

@ColinFine thank you for appreciating my effort. Yes, I found the disparity and wanted to check before doing something. Thank you for helping me out once again. I will work on this. ANLgrad (talk) 22:37, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Wakanda

what Conda is in black panther 24.145.14.23 (talk) 23:19, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Anaconda. You can ask these questions at the Wikipedia:Reference desk.TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:35, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Does every claim need a reference?

Does every claim need a reference; for example, I had trouble referencing regional growth and was only able to document population without getting very complicated. Reward3 (talk) 23:23, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

@Reward3: Yes. If it's significant, it will be published somewhere. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:35, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Per the above. However there are things that don't need refs, such as the sky being blue. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 00:41, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Is there a page to view Articles Under Review?

I've just got a notification to say an article I created has been reviewed.

I'm fairly sure that article had been reviewed already, and now it's been reviewed a second time.

I have no reason to be worried about that article as it has everything that's needed... An infobox, categories, a table of contents, external links, countless references, and a rough description of what it's about (which is one of the main things which puts me off writing more articles, along with deciding which references to put where, as I'll no doubt find better references as I go).

However I'm just wondering why it needed reviewing. Is there a page to view Articles Under Review? Danstarr69 (talk) 01:45, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

If you mean unreviewed articles, there is no tracking category, but you can go to Special:NewPagesFeed which gives you an option to show only unreviewed / reviewed articles. Note the process is independent of WP:AFC. Sungodtemple (talk) 01:52, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Danstarr69, all newly created articles, except articles created by WP:AUTOPATROLLED users, will be 'unreviewed'. A new page reviewer will come along and mark it as reviewed after some time. Sungodtemple (talk) 01:56, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Danstarr69. Unsurprisingly, there are many types of processes on Wikipedia that can be called "reviews". The Articles for Creation process is the one that gets the most attention here at the Teahouse. But that is just a review to allow a draft to be accepted to the encyclopedia, with the assumption that it would have a greater than 50% chance of surviving a deletion debate. But there are far more rigorous reviews for Good articles and especially for Featured articles, which are detailed and may take weeks or even months to complete. Based on what you wrote, you are probably referring to a review by the New Pages Patrol. This is a cursory review to determine that a new article is not gibberish, or an obvious hoax, or an overt copyright violation, or contains libel or threats of violence. It is a very low hurdle. Cullen328 (talk) 06:09, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

WIKI Page Content

Hello, I am trying to create a page that discusses my businesses. I previously had a page for this which was removed, but my new page keeps getting deleted citing content cannot be autobiographical and is not referenced - yet I have referenced from global publications - please advise? Ingo Ronald Schweder (talk) 09:51, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@Ingo Ronald Schweder Welcome to the Teahouse, Ingo. I can see from the deletion logs that you have tried three times to create an article about yourself/your businesses on your User Page and that each time it has been speedily deleted by an admin. There are several bits of advice you need to follow to have any hope of getting a draft autobiography or article about your company accepted. 1) You must create the draft using the WP:AFC process: only a limited number of things, and no draft articles, are allowed on User pages (see WP:UPYES). 2) All drafts must be based on reliable secondary sources which must be cited with inline citations properly formatted: as explained at WP:YFA. New editors like yourself often become frustrated by the hoops they feel they have to go through to get something added to the encyclopaedia but please realise that all our policies and guidelines are in place for the good reason that we wish to create a world-class resource, not social media, and that Wikipedia is not to be used for WP:PROMOTION. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:17, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

The OP "[has] been blocked indefinitely from editing because [their] account is being used only for advertising or promotion". -- Hoary (talk) 11:41, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Biography Page

Hello,

I am new to wikipedia & want to publish a biography page for my client. Can anyone assist me through the process of a Biography Page Creation. Weblytiks (talk) 08:02, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Weblytiks. The first thing you should do is carefully read through Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. The next thing I suggest you do it take a look at Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything to get some basic ideas as to what types of subjects are considered OK to create articles about and how they're ecpected to be written. If your client is a company or organization, you should also take a look at Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). If your client is a person, you should take a look at Wikipedia:Notability (people). If you're unable to establish that yoour client meets Wikipedia:Notability, an article about your client is unlikely going to be accepted or survive very long no matter how well it's written or who writes it. Finally, you might also want to take a look at Wikipedia:Ownership of content because Wikipedia articles are written expected to written about subjects and not for or on behalf of subjects, and article subjects has not type of editorial control over what's written. The subject of an article may request changes be made, but they can't really make the changes themselves. As long as article content is in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines, and there's a consensus established for it, the subject can't really get it removed unless there's a really a good policy-based reason for doing so. If your client is a person, then you need to ask them to look at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons and Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing because there can be a downside to being written about on Wikipedia than many subjects only find out about too late. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:15, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Weblytiks I would also note that your username seems to be that of what I assume is your company; this is not permitted, usernames must indicate that the account is used by a single person(though you are advised against using your real name). I have placed information on your user talk page as to how you can propose a new username. One that is formatted as "JohnDoe of Weblytiks" would be okay. 331dot (talk) 08:34, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for noting that to me, Can i use a different account to make edits?

My Main concern is regarding the Biography Page editing, I want to publish a Biography Page for a client. Weblytiks (talk) 08:39, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Weblytiks As I said, I have placed instructions on your user talk page(User talk:Weblytiks) as to how you can rename your account. You may also create a new account if you are not concerned with preserving your edit history. Whichever it is you do, the next thing you do should be to make a paid editing disclosure, as this is a Terms of Use requirement. I can't add anything else to the excellent advice Marchjuly gives above. 331dot (talk) 08:43, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

In addition to the excellent advice above, Weblytiks, I'd say that your sparse list of contributions to Wikipedia (largely consisting of changing "and" to "&") makes it pretty clear that you're not yet ready to embark on a new article on any subject. Better practise improving some articles first. A large percentage have an obvious need for improvement, and I've found that one sure-fire method of finding a pile of articles needing radical copyediting is to search for "the tender age of" (including those quotation marks). -- Hoary (talk) 08:43, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Weblytiks (ec) I would actually add that Wikipedia has articles, not mere "pages". This is a subtle but important distinction, and may help the mindset that you have when you approach what you want to do. 331dot (talk) 08:45, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Sure, Thank you for the advice, I would like to learn to edit articles & how to find my favourite topics for a better understanding & elaboration of topics.

I am also facing troubles in finding my topic of interest.

Kindly guide me through this as well. Weblytiks (talk) 09:12, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Due to WP:COI, you shouldn't create an article for someone you know. Additionally, have you confirmed they're WP:Notable? סשס Grimmchild 09:17, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

In answer to "Can i use a different account to make edits?" While there are a few valid reasons to have more than one account, the general advice is to have only one account, and definitely do not use more than one account to edit the same articles. Given how little you have done to date, I recommend abandoning Weblytiks and starting a new account with a new name. David notMD (talk) 09:57, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Contrary to what Grimmchild wrote, you are allowed to create a draft of an article for a paying client, also for someone you know personally, as long as you comply with WP:PAID or WP:COI. All of the other advice proffered above is valid and useful. David notMD (talk) 11:59, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Please help!

Please help me with this question: Does Wikipedia encourage its members in any way? Or does it all happen on a gratuitous and unpaid basis? 217.196.161.70 (talk) 09:00, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

There are employees of WMF (the organization behind Wikipedia, among other things) who are paid; outside of that, we're all volunteers. 3mi1y (talk) 09:05, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

See Conflict-of-interest editing on Wikipedia. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:30, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse. People are sometimes paid to edit Wikipedia, which is mostly against the Terms of Use. However, this is not by the WMF. 12:56, 4 October 2022 (UTC) Asparagusus (interaction) 12:56, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Please help

Citation something that same source but preventing it from spamming copy. DaikinInverter789 (talk) 12:58, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

DaikinInverter789 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid I cannot determine from your post what it is you are asking. 331dot (talk) 13:01, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@DaikinInverter789 I have used what are called named references to fix the citation duplication in Stegomyia (subgenus), which I hope solves the problem. You can look at this DIFF to see what I did. See also WP:NAMED for details. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:17, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Citing the existence of something

Hi Teahouse, I would like to state in an article that something exists, specifically this postage stamp. Curiously, I can't find anything written about it, but I can see it on the page of what appears to be a popular stamp collecting website called Colnect. Is this WP:OBV? Or do I need to find something written. Thank you! (I will also apply any advice I get here to a related query about a banknote.) GuineaPig_C77 (𒅗𒌤) ☕ 09:31, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

You don't necessarily need something written, but you need a reliable source. From what I can see, that site looks user generated, and so not reliable, but I may be wrong. (The image of a stamp certainly exists, on that site, but how confident can we be that it is an image of a real stamp?) ColinFine (talk) 09:43, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

@ColinFine Thank you! GuineaPig_C77 (𒅗𒌤) ☕ 10:53, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

@GuineaPigC77 The URL you provided has a Stanley Gibbons catalogue number. If you can find it in their catalogues, many of which are now online, that would be a reliable source, in my opinion. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:26, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Have you checked the links given in Postage stamps and postal history of Colombia § External links? -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 15:14, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Also pictured on Markenliste (becker-weihenstephan.de) (cross-referenced to Wikipedia), though my German is not up to evaluating the reliability of the source. -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 16:21, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Incidentally, the item depicted is not, strictly, "a postage stamp." It is a souvenir sheet aka miniature sheet, which incorporates one or more (in this case two) postage stamps within a larger design. To use the stamps on a piece of mail, one could remove them from the surrounding portion, but no-one would be likely to do this because such sheets are bought almost exclusively by collectors, and would likely have been sold for somewhat more than the mere total face value of the stamps included.

[Disclosure: a former professional designer/researcher/editor for a Philatelic agent. (What! No article?) {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.193.128.129 (talk) 15:39, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks y'all for your clarification about how to cite, and also for these leads - I will be doing some digging today. I'll update if I find something I think qualifies (including possibly the Markenliste if I can evaluate it properly). GuineaPig_C77 (𒅗𒌤) ☕ 19:13, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Got it! The souvenir sheet (thank you @90.193.128.129) is listed in the Scott catalogue (2016 edition), volume 2, p. 508. I didn't see anything about citing a catalog under Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Other so I suppose I'll use Template:Cite book?

(Btw I pursued the Stanley Gibbons number, and also tried the other catalogue numbers to no avail (either couldn't find it or behind paywall). Searched for additional catalogs in the Wikipedia Library and local library. Finally reached out to an old friend with an interest in stamps, and they easily found it in their purchased copy of the Scott catalogue and gave me a screenshot.)

This is, delightfully, how I spent part of today. Thank you Teahouse for upholding high standards of sourcing, and for y'all's suggestions. GuineaPig_C77 (𒅗𒌤) ☕ 05:00, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Good to hear that. The Muisca raft looks sensational; I'm surprised I've not come across it before this thread. Thank you for your work on that article.

Don't forget to include the Scott catalog number in your cite; it may be on a different page in other editions. -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 07:56, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Verbarson! And good call - I've added that now. Yep this is a really cool artifact and it has such interesting context too! GuineaPig_C77 (𒅗𒌤) ☕ 14:48, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Wrong Ukrainian city names in articles

I've been trying to change incorrect English transliterations of Ukrainian cities' names. But the changes were "irrelevant". How the fck can they be irrelevant? Routeguano (talk) 13:00, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Routeguano Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I can understand you may be frustrated, but we try to keep this board a friendly, civil place, so please avoid using vulgar language here. I would suggest asking the editor who reverted your changes directly as to their reasoning, and explain what it is you are trying to do, to achieve a consensus. 331dot (talk) 13:04, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@Routeguano By policy explained at WP:COMMONNAME, English Wikipedia uses the names most commonly used in the English sources we cite. You may personally believe that Chernobyl should be transliterated as Chornobyl but here by long-standing convention the latter is a WP:REDIRECT to the main article, where the alternative name appears in the first sentence. Those using the search box for the article will of course be able to find it using either spelling. The same applies to the other names you have attempted to alter. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:30, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

• @Routeguano: As you can imagine, the Russian vs. Ukrainian transliterations has been subject of much debate, especially since February 2022. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Ukrainian places) for the general principles. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 15:37, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Checkuser

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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How to become a checkuser on the Wikipedia? 2402:3A80:198B:654D:678:5634:1232:5476 (talk) 15:31, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

You refrain from that sort of edits, for a start. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 15:39, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi IP user. You would have great difficulty becoming a checkuser and the first step would be to create an account. The policy is explained at WP:CHK Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:39, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Deleting a redirect after moving

I am so sorry I'm back again. Can I delete or redirect or do something with Bee Branch Creek. Currently it links to Bee Branch Creek (California) because I moved the page to avoid confusion with Bee Branch Creek (Iowa). Currently the Iowa article is larger and appears to be more notable than the California one (of whom is an orphan article). Marshmallo3535 (talk) 21:36, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Marshmallo3535, welcome to the Teahouse! You can change the redirect link in Bee Branch Creek to Bee Branch (disambiguation). See Help:Redirect for help. Regards. Lightbluerain (Talk💬 Contribs✏️) 03:02, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and changed the redirect's target to the dab page Bee Branch. Deor (talk) 13:11, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Mitch199811 (talk) 16:36, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Copyright issues found

Here in 1908-09 Nemzeti Bajnokság II pretty much all of the prose is copied verbatim from external sources. I know I should remove this, but I am not sure if I should leave a message for the user who added the copyvios or something like that. Should I start an AFD? If so, I am not quite comfortable doing that yet. Heeps of Wiki (talk) 15:44, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Heeps of Wiki, welcome to the Teahouse. This is a bit complicated - the copyvios may extend all the way back to the article's creation (initial version, expanded version after the initial one was turned into a redirect). I don't know if the initial version is a copyvio - it consists mostly of data in tables, which often isn't copyrightable. Perhaps better safe than sorry. I assume you've checked the sources and that they are indeed not compatibly licensed.

At this point, you have two choices - speedy deletion as unambiguous copyright infringement (G12), or, as explained in the G12 section, blanking the offending content, adding the tag mentioned and posting at Wikipedia:Copyright problems. Leaving a templated or custom warning for the user would probably also be a good idea. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:02, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice, I just needed a little extra confirmation that I would be doing the correct thing. Have a good day. Heeps of Wiki (talk) 17:23, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Reversing Edits

Hi Teahouse! I just wanted to ask who has the power to undo other user's edits, and what reasoning is needed to do so. I noticed a edit made by an unregistered IP at https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?diff=1113876873&oldid=1113876502&diffmode=source that seems to be removing a significant amount of information. The IP has only made edits to this article today, and has made no other contributions to wikipedia. Thanks - UpdateWindows (talk) 17:19, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

nevermind, someone beat me to it haha UpdateWindows (talk) 17:23, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Anyone can revert an edit if they disagree with the changes, though you usually should discuss rather than revert repeatedly (obvious vandalism and some other things are excluded, see WP:3RRNO). Madeline (part of me) 17:27, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @UpdateWindows, welcome to the Teahouse. Everyone who is able to edit an article has the power to undo other users' edits. There can be lots of reasons - acceptable ones are some variation of "this did not improve the encyclopedia", perhaps with a link to an appropriate policy. A reason of "I don't like it!" is obviously not going to fly. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:26, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, UpdateWindows. I'm surprised that nobody has pointed you at WP:BRD. ColinFine (talk) 21:06, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks so much everyone. Someone else reverted the edit i was wondering about, but thank you for filling me in on how to revert next time if something comes up again. UpdateWindows (talk) 22:59, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Emiway Bantai

why there is no page for Emiway Bantai? His stor is too much special. He is one of the best commercial rapper and also a celebrity. Although you had mad Wikipedia of many small rappers than bantai but why on him not? $hubham Kumar $ah (talk) 10:22, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello @$hubham Kumar $ah and welcome to Wikipedia editing. The short answer is that no-one has yet put in the work to create an acceptable article. See WP:YFA for the principles behind doing so. A quick Google search shows that there may be suitable sources, for example from Rolling Stone India's recent cover story. Even that is marginal since it appears to be based on an interview with Bantai. Can you cite here about WP:THREE decent sources that could be used for a Draft, bearing in mind they need to be significant coverage of him in reliable publications that are independent of him, so excluding all his own social media and record label? Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:04, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Aarticles about Emiway Bantai have been deleted three times via Articles for Deletion (AfD) review. Despite the topic being 'salted,' there is at present a draft at Draft:Emiway Bantai. However, this is nominated for Speedy deletion for copyright infringement. David notMD (talk) 12:07, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Emiway Bantai has been of great interest to a team of sock-puppets. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Roboture/Archive. -- Hoary (talk) 23:07, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Multiple Images?

How do you add multiple images to an article? Like with Manchester or Doncaster. How does the template work as tried with Grimsby but to no avail? DragonofBatley (talk) 03:32, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi DragonofBatley. Manchester and Doncaster say {{Infobox settlement|...}} so they use {{Infobox settlement}} which has a image_skyline parameter. Grimsby uses {{Infobox UK place}} which has no such parameter so any value of |image_skyline= is ignored. It does have a parameter static_image_name. The documentation says "Use filename only (e.g. name.jpg)" but it would currently also work with the code you tried. I don't know whether it will always work. Future template changes may not be compatible with undocumented behaviour but you wouldn't be the first to use the parameter for this purpose. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:57, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Page that exists in one language but not another

Hi. I noticed a couple of cases where a specific page exists in English but not in Italian. I could translate the page, my question is whether there is a mechanism for creating the new one that is specific for this case, where it is not really a new creation, only one brought over from the English version. Thanks Livmarcob (talk) 07:41, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

You'll find advice at WP:TRANSLATEUS. David Biddulph (talk) 07:44, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Livmarcob. Wikipedia:Translate us describes the process for translating English Wikipedia articles into other languages. Correct copyright attribution is important, so please take extra care over that part of the process. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:47, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Livmarcob. In addition to what David and Larry said above, please note Wikipedias in different languages are separate projects, which, although founded on the same basis of WP:Five Pillars, may differ in some rules. The difference may appear e.g. in notability criteria. Please verify the destination project's criteria (that is, it:Wikipedia:Enciclopedicità) before you start translation to avoid a possible confusion and loss if a translated article gets rejected at it-wiki. This is part of what the Wikipedia:Translate us#Before you start section talks about. --CiaPan (talk) 12:11, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Also, see it:Wikipedia:Traduzioni for guidelines on translating into the Italian Wikipedia. :-) CiaPan (talk) 12:52, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@Livmarcob: English Wikipedia has 6,929,299 articles, and Italian Wikipedia about 1.7 million, so it's inevitable that you will run into many English articles that do not yet exist in Italian. Luckily, there is a tool to find them. Let's say you are interested in the psychology of visual perception. In that case, you can follow this link to find the first 100 of about 300 articles related to the topic in English Wikipedia which have no corresponding article in Italian. Here's a sampling: Abney effect, Bezold effect, Cross-race effect, Face inversion effect. Good luck! Mathglot (talk) 04:18, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

This article

2019-22 Irani Cup article should be merged into 2022-23 Irani Cup. Because the 19-22 trophy match is played yesterday in 2022, reliable sources calling it part of 2022-23 Irani cup. I flagged it for for merger but User : Kirubar deleted it before other users can discuss. You can see source and disscus on this here - [10]. Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 06:59, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Placement of Reflist-talk templates

Hello, Teahouse Helpers: Can you advise on best practice for use of {{talk reflist}} templates, please? Recently I have been involved in a discussion on a noticeboard. When talk reflists were added, some users continued discussion below the reflist templates. I have always found the layout that results from doing this a little confusing on talk pages, so will often move the template to the bottom of the section.

When I did so in this conversation, another editor moved it to be directly under the comment that added the cite: So, maybe I have the wrong idea on how to use it? In recent times, I have begun to use a screen reader, and having conversations interspersed freely with reflists is a bit awkward. Do other users of assistive tech encounter this problem on talk? Is it okay to combine all the reflists into one, at the end of a section? And move any comments added to the section below the template to be above it? Advice appreciated. Thanks, AukusRuckus (talk) 00:16, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@AukusRuckus: To my knowledge, this is covered in Wikipedia:Talk page layout in only one place: § Discussions, which says:

If you include references, add {{reflist-talk}} or {{sources-talk}} after your comment, to keep citations within your thread.

What that basically is saying is: "Don't place {{reflist-talk}} at the bottom of the Talk page, keep it inside the section." But that still leaves open the question of where to place it inside the section or even if more than one of them is acceptable. My preference, is to have one {{Reflist-talk}} per section, and to place it at the bottom of the section. For this, I base it on analogy to MOS:ORDER, where I consider a Talk page discussion topic analogous to an article, and imitating the body layout listed at MOS:ORDER, which is that there is one references section per article, and it is at the bottom. But, you could read it to say, "Place it directly after your comment," without specifying what happens to subsequent comments. (In my opinion, that section is too vague and should be updated, but that's a separate issue.)

Because the template is brief and easy to miss in the wikicode, it's not surprising that editors sometimes don't even see it and inadvertently place other comments after it. Others, as apparently in your example, actively do it that way, perhaps interpreting the guideline the other way than how I see it. What I do sometimes to avoid the "inadvertent" situation where someone comments afterward, especially in Talk discussions that lend themselves easily to subsectioning (such as an Afd with level 3 sections for === Survey === and ===Discussion=== sections), I'll add the Reflist-talk in a level 3 section ===References===. (In this case, to avoid the word 'References' showing up twice, once in the header, and once inside the box, I'll code the Reflist invocation like this: ===References=== and then underneath that: {{Reflist-talk|title=}}.) I hope this helps, and I'm sorry the answer is not more definitive, but I think the current guidance is imprecise on your question. Mathglot (talk) 00:46, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Mathglot: that's actually very helpful. Just to know I haven't been doing something completely out of order is reassuring. I can certainly see how the guidance could be interpreted in the opposite way: As I am finding, there are nearly as many ways to interpret a guideline as there are people trying to follow it (be there enough room for uncertainty). I like your "level 3 header + |title= [blank]" tip a lot.

Do you mind if I slip in an additional question? On such a discussion at AN/I as linked above, is it okay to notify users that may have some interest in the matter being discussed? I don't think it would be considered canvassing, if I were to say only "you might be interested" (because I know they have dealt with the issue)? I might be wrong though ... AukusRuckus (talk) 01:07, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi AukusRuckus. You could use hidden text to let other's know to place any new comments about the {{reflist-talk}} template, but some may not understand what that means or might just decide to ignore it. FWIW, you're not required to use WP:Reftags when discussing sources on an article talk page and you could simply just add the link as an external link or using Template:URL; you don't even need to use reftags when discussing how a citation should be formatted since you simply add the syntax to talk page as is without the tags. As for you're question about canvassing, you should try and follow the advise given in WP:APPNOTE. Even adding something as benign as Template:Please see to a user talk page might be seen as "canvassing" if you only added it to user talk pages of people who might be predisposed to agree with you. It would probably be better to first post notifications on WikiProject talk pages before individual user talk pages, unless you're going also going to go out of your way to notify users who might be predisposed to disagree with you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:29, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

The discussion is looking moribund for now, so I'm thinking I might let it die a natural death. Taking your advice into account, if later I decide to alert extra editors, my inclination is that I will ping them within the discussion, only. I'm afraid I am unaware of any user who is likely to take the opposite view! Thank you so much for your helpful response, Marchjuly.

And, Mathglot, I used your pointer, adding a ===References=== heading over the single reflist-talk template for the entire section. Will see if it sticks. AukusRuckus (talk) 08:05, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi again AukusRuckus. I missed the part that you were asking about an ANI discussion. In that case, I would recommend doing what you dead by creating a separate references section. It's not horrible, but generally it's better to use bullet points and WP:DIFFs instead of trying to cite edits made to a Wikipedia article or page in a citation format. I also wouldn't suggest you try and contact anyone else and notify them of the discussion unless they are somehow directly involved in what's being discussed. You might WP:PING someone it that case, but ANI discussions often become quite heated and even a minor unintentional faux pas (like unintentional canvassing) can heat them up even more; so, many users simply avoid them whenever possible. Anyway, if you haven't already done so, you might want to take a look at WP:ANIADVICE and WP:BOOMERANG. ANI discussions aren't for really for those who don't like WP:DRAMA and in fact clicking on WP:Dramaboard might reinforce that point. The comments made at ANI are often quite "to the point". Often the best thing to do if you can't avoid going to ANI is to try and make your point as succiently as possible by posting as little as possible, and then simply leave the rest to administrators. Many people go to ANI thinking that they're completely in the right and the other person is totally in the wrong only to find out that others may view things differently, and the situation can often quickly spiral out of control once they figure that their actions are also going to be evaluated as well and they suddenly put on the defensive. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:27, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, completely agree, Marchjuly. I've been avoiding it like the proverbial ostrich, but it's a running sore. Still, the noticeboard's not really for me, but someone else took it there, and I felt honour-bound to offer some support when I was pinged there. The pings I was considering would only be for people I know have had the same troubles with the specific editor, as already mentioned in the current AN/I posts. The heightened, fraught nature of the board is why I was being really cautious. (I'm hoping cautious enough!) I think I'm unlikely to ping anyone now. Just btw, I wasn't the editor who added diffs as cites: that was another editor. Then one or two other editors added the talk-reflist template in several places, so that the discussion posts became visually disjointed with intervening reflists. I was just tidying up, because I get easily lost in talk page layouts.

Thanks for your friendly replies. I appreciate your help, and your concern to make sure I was fully informed and well-prepared for "the scary place"  :-) Very good advice. AukusRuckus (talk) 08:51, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Need help in getting the draft approved

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Sreedharan_Sobhana Can anyone tell me what else needs to be changed in the above link?

One of the award mentioned has reference link of dhammawiki, hence is a renowned award. Reference links for few awards are given too.

TIA. 2406:7400:73:F1D7:0:0:0:101 (talk) 10:47, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Plenty needs to be changed. The section "Early life" has no references. The next section, "Buddhist Temple", has no reference after the first sentence. But the first sentence, or anyway much of it, appears to be referenced. I quote: "In 2007, Master Sobhana built a Buddhist Temple, Sri Dharma Bodhi Temple". And the reference for this assertion? A map, which of course provides no evidence whatever for anyone having built the temple. As a reference, this is worthless. -- Hoary (talk) 12:10, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Another link has more details on it. All of it is on paper, how do I reference it here online?! 2406:7400:73:96A1:0:0:0:100 (talk) 16:43, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

You can reference paper sources just like online sources, given they are reliable. Be sure to include enough information like author, title, publisher, date, etc. to locate and verify the source. Madeline (part of me) 17:06, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

IP editor, phrases like "learning the ropes to the hairdressing trade", "ventured into the electronic manufacturing industry", "booming", "passion", "step into Fashion field in India", "wore the same timeless outfit", "walked the ramp" ... these are not written in an encyclopedic style.

From Wikipedia:TONE: "Articles and other encyclopedic content should be written in a formal tone. Standards for formal tone vary a bit depending upon the subject matter but should usually match the style used in Featured- and Good-class articles in the same category. Encyclopedic writing has a fairly academic approach, while remaining clear and understandable. Formal tone means that the article should not be written using argot, slang, colloquialisms, doublespeak, legalese, or jargon that is unintelligible to an average reader; it means that the English language should be used in a businesslike manner." David10244 (talk) 04:09, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Is there any online Live support in Wikipedia, where I can work hand in hand and get this edit done? Pl help. Thanks. 2406:7400:73:96A1:0:0:0:100 (talk) 16:42, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

No, there is no live support. There is no hurry, and there are no deadlines. What is your association with the subject of that draft? ~Anachronist (talk) 16:51, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

I have closely witnessed the subject of the draft. There are references and awards in papers and not many have links online. How do I get the proof up for this draft, when there is no online reference, and the subject deserves to be mentioned in wiki. Is there a way, please let me know. 2406:7400:73:8BE1:0:0:0:101 (talk) 16:21, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

References do not need to be online - you can use and cite offline sources. {{citenews}} is usually used for offline newspapers, for example. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:24, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

IP editor, you said "One of the award mentioned has reference link of dhammawiki". Other wikis ars not usable as sources for referencing, since the material is generally user-generated, and anyone can write whatever they want. David10244 (talk) 08:41, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

If other wiki page is visible to public, I guess it must have been verified by editors before its approval and its references are verified too as how my draft is being verified every time. Pl correct me if I am wrong. 2406:7400:73:8BE1:0:0:0:101 (talk) 16:19, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

IP editor, I don't know how dhammawiki works - perhaps they have the review process you describe. Most wikis, however, do not, not even Wikipedia. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:22, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Right, plus our reliable sources info at wp:RS mentions "most wikis and other collaboratively created websites" and says these sources are "generally unacceptable". As user 199 implies, you would need to research the policies of that wiki and try to get consensus before using it. David10244 (talk) 10:18, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

When can I know that an article is accepted on Wikipedia (and can relax) ?

I have recently rewritten and taken out of draft an article https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Yitzhak_Suknik and am not 100% sure about at what point will I know that it is accepted and will not be deleted, or if there is anything else I need to do ? Advice welcome. JSKutcher (talk) 12:19, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

There is a deletion discussion happening here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yitzhak Suknik, the results of that discussion will decide whether the article remains. Esolo5002 (talk) 12:47, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) JSKutcher The general answer is that you never know, because even 20-year-old articles regularly get deleted.

The particular answer in the case of that article is that I have sent it to AfD again (Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Yitzhak_Suknik). Sorry, but taking it upon yourself to move the article into mainspace again was not wise, after it was deleted following clear consensus at a well-attended discussion.

In theory, the previous deletion means that it has been decided that there are not enough good sources about the subject of the article to show that it passes WP:GNG. If such a conclusion was correct, no article would be acceptable, no matter how well-written, and any more time you spend polishing the article is a waste of time. (If you do not understand what GNG is after reading the link, do ask, we will be happy to explain.) In fact, we even have a speedy deletion criterion that allows to delete recreation of articles deleted at AfD, which could arguably be used here.

In practice, it often happens that the quality of the draft influences the evaluation at AFD. (See WP:HEY.) I can see that the references have been substantially improved (though in my opinion not to the level required by a significant margin, hence the trip back to AfD).

If the new AfD discussion ends in a keep, then the article is probably safe from deletion for the time being. (If not, well... Please don’t try again unless you have read and understood the policies about notability.) Although it would still be subject to the normal editing process, and you have no control about its content, in practice articles about minor historical figures rarely undergo substantial edits. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 12:48, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello Tigraan. Thank you for your speedy response.

I have spent some months on reworking this article adding a number of new sources with help from people who are experts in this area of history which I had hoped clearly shown his 'notability' within one of the greatest acts of defiance against the Nazi program of annihilation of the Jews in Europe, know as the 'Warsaw Ghetto Uprising'. Two particular items cover his importance - one in the first ever attack against the Germans on January 18th and the other being his central role in arms manufacturing against all odds.

I have never got a clear answer on what is 'notable enough' for Wikipedia and I find it difficult to understand how a judgement can be made without knowing the context of the story. I would very much appreciate it if you could read it again and reconsider the deletion recommendation.

PS

This event (which come up to its 80th anniversary next year) and the participants are not very well covered on Wikipedia and I wonder whether there is a general view that actually it was not that important an event and any further details or information are not deemed important enough?

There are a couple of other articles on the Warsaw Ghetto on Wikipedia which may assist you.

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto_Uprising JSKutcher (talk) 16:25, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

@JSKutcher, notability is determined purely based on what other people have written about someone, not on what they've done. They may have done many extremely important things, but if no one else has noticed and decided they were important/interesting/unusual enough to write about, they have not achieved notability. Context is not important here; only the existence of reliable sources available for us to summarize. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:29, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

OK. Understood. When you say on what other people have written this is exactly what I have been working on, and this is the frustrating point because there appears to be no precise criteria of what would be sufficient citations or sources, and I have seen so many pages with less on Wikipedia (and I know this is not accepted as an argument ... but it needs to be said). All the sources are reliable and written from first hand experience of the event or known experts in the field. How many more are needed to have 'noticed' Yitzhak ? JSKutcher (talk) 20:46, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

@JSKutcher, there are, indeed, many poor articles on Wikipedia, for many reasons, and this often misleads people. It's a problem for which a solution has yet to be found; a solution may not even be possible without altering some of Wikipedia's fundamental principles.

I can give you the general advice handed out to folks writing articles, though I'm sure you've probably already received it. Reviewers like to see three sources that meet every one of the requirements: reliable, independent, published, secondary, and containing significant coverage. Your article seems to be teetering on the edge of success (apparently the sources are a bit hard to evaluate). It may survive the AfD; it may not. You rolled the dice by moving it to mainspace instead of going through AfC, and now it's time to see where they fall. You can always try improving the sourcing in the meantime, if possible. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:58, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

To be honest I had no idea about the AfC procedure. This is only my second article in ~ 10 years. Can I move it there now or is it too late ? If so how do I do this ? I am happy going through the correct procedure if needed. JSKutcher (talk) 20:32, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

@JSKutcher: see WP:AFC (articles for creation) for the next time. AfC gives feedback in a less confrontational manner than an AfD discussion; in particular, declining a draft (meaning "not good enough yet but maybe you can improve it") is a common outcome, whereas AfD is more often a binary yes-or-no (the alternative of "draftify" is seldom used, usually when someone credibly promises to work on the draft before resubmitting it). It is too late for AfC this time - the criterion for passing AfC is "more likely than not to survive an AfD", so whatever result the AfD reaches trumps any AfC decision.

Now, for some explanation of the various processes... The fundamental problem is that there are lots of people who want to use Wikipedia for promotion of various kind ("promotion" understood here on a wide spectrum from "a company paid me to promote their product" to "my great-grandmother was an interesting gal"). Once upon a time, everybody could create anything in mainspace. Stuff could get deleted at AfD, but that is a default-yes process: as long as nobody notices the article it will stay in mainspace, and making a case at AfD is hard (you’re supposed to try to salvage the article first). There are "speedy deletion" criteria intended as shortcuts, but they are only for clear-cut cases, so even a moderately smart spammer / dedicated great-grandmother admirer can get around them.

Nowadays, new accounts cannot create articles directly in the mainspace, they must go through AfC. AfC has evolved into a fairly streamlined process etc. but the reason it was introduced was to protect the mainspace with a default-no setting: as long as no reviewer has said yes to a draft, it does not go to mainspace.

I do not have stats, but I wager the vast majority of AfC drafts stop being edited after the first decline. I also wager that of those, a very large fraction is written by people who had no idea that Wikipedia had thresholds for inclusion ("notability") to start with. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 13:00, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the time you have taken to give a fuller explanation of the process. JSKutcher (talk) 07:21, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@Tigraan I think you are absolutely right, and a great insight about thresholds for inclusion. Many first-time draft creators seem to think that anyone can post anything here. The help desks do spend a lot of ink explaining this... David10244 (talk) 10:22, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@JSKutcher You can always relax... David10244 (talk) 10:19, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

help

my friend is on a whitelist with family link that doesn't allow google. how can i help him get to his sites normaly (on chromebook) Allaoi (talk) 01:28, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure this is the right place for that sort of question, the teahouse relates to questions about editing Wikipedia. However, Wikipedia does have a Family Link article if you'd like to learn more about the application! AdmiralAckbar1977 (talk) 01:31, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

look im the one with the whitelist, and this is the only way i can contact people on the internet if you or anyone else knows how to get around it please tell me Allaoi (talk) 01:45, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

@Allaoi: You can try asking at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing. I don't even know what the question means but maybe they do. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:09, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

@Allaoi Are you trying to circumvent the software that enforces the browser going only to sites that are on the whitelist? I'm not sure that even the Reference Desk will, or should, help you with that -- depending on who set up the Family List software, and whether your friend should be circumventing that. Having said all that, I am against censorship in general... David10244 (talk) 04:18, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

im the one with the whitelist and it doesnt allow google please help also my mom set it up without my permission Allaoi (talk) 15:12, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

OP indef blocked per WP:NOTHERE and WP:CIR.

Asparagusus (interaction) 23:30, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

@Asparagusus If the user is bound by a whitelist that blocks search engines, I think they would have a hard time contributing meaningfully to this project anyway. Apparently WP is on the whitelist, though. David10244 (talk) 10:26, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Does your mom need your permission? David10244 (talk) 08:45, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

@Allaoi Also, first you said it was your friend, then you said it was you. Hmmmmm. David10244 (talk) 08:48, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Two Questions.

• What's going on with the channel URLs in the infobox in Draft:Ryan George? If somebody can fix this, it would be greatly appreciated.
• Why does Wikipedia have administrators, but not content moderators?

Thanks, — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 07:32, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm not an authority, but for your second question (if I understand it correctly), see Wikipedia:NOTCENSORED סשס Grimmchild 08:59, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Fixing the link: WP:NOTCENSORED David10244 (talk) 10:32, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Vortex, and welcome to the Teahouse.Please look at Template:Infobox YouTuber, where under the paramter channel_url it says use for channels only, enter ONLY what comes after www.youtube.com/channel/. However, I tried editing it, and it came out with "Ryan George Ryan", so I think you might need to play with channel_display_name as well. ColinFine (talk) 09:35, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

— VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 07:32, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

@Vortex3427: Hi. I am not sure what exactly can a "content moderator" do on fandom, but here we have new page reviewers, and like ColinFine said above — Wikipedia is not censored. But if some information needs to be removed (deleted in a sense, but keeping the rest of the page), then admins can use revision deletion. I think rest of the technical stuff is a lot similar on fandom, and Wikipedia as both of them mediawiki engine, but the policies are different obviously. I have not edited the fandom, so dont know much about it though. —usernamekiran (talk) 18:49, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

can i edit lebron james

add topic can i edit lebron james 24.116.116.33 (talk) 12:33, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. As an anonymous editor, you cannot directly edit Wikipedia's article LeBron James because it has been semiprotected after disruptive edits by unregistered editors. However, you are welcome to make an edit request (see that link for details) on the article's talk page Talk:LeBron James. Note that any information you wish to add must be supported by a citation to a reliable source.

However, if the edit you want to make is of the same quality as the last few you have made from this IP address, please don't bother. ColinFine (talk) 12:43, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi IP 24.116.116.33. The article LeBron James was page protected by a Wikipedia administrator because of repeated violations of Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons and other Wikipedia:Vandalism; so, IP accounts such as yours aren't permitted to edit it. The article can, however, be edited by WP:AUTOCONFIRMED editors, but you will need to first register for a WP:ACCOUNT and then wait until you meet the criteria for "autoconfirmed". If you don't want to do that, you can request an edit be made on at Talk:LeBron James. If it's in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines, an autoconfirmed user will most likely make the edit on your behalf. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:46, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

A few notes about articles about very famous people: often, editors with an interest in the topic have chosen to 'watch' the article, meaning that whenever they log in, they will get a notification that someone edited the article. Second, the article is current rated a Good article. Third, on the Talk page, there are archives of past discussions aoubt what does or does not belong in the article; your intent to add or subtract something may have already been discussed and decided upon. David notMD (talk) 15:01, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

@Marchjuly I agree with ColinFine above -- all edits from this ip address look like nonsense and have been reverted, even the two from 2007. David10244 (talk) 10:40, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Moving a page from draft

I'm trying to move a page from "draft" to "article." I tried to do it myself but it says I can't because the page name already exists. I'm not sure what that means. I think the same title is currently a redirect, but I want that redirect to be stopped and just have this page be the only page. Can someone help? This is the page: https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Bob_Sassone

Thanks! Davescribe22 (talk) 23:55, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

@Davescribe22: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1166.. I suggest adding {{subst:submit}} to the top of the page when you're absolutely sure that it is ready for articlespace; a reviewer will take care of things if it's adequate. That being said, a quick glance at the references used doesn't use many independent, reliable sources, so it's very likely that it will be declined if it is submitted as is. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:00, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

I have several citations, and while a few of them are from the source itself, 1. that's the only place that info is, and 2. I have at least three independent sources linked to, and I believe I only need one or two.

To be honest, almost every single Wikipedia page I look at follows the same format and citations that I have. I can give you examples if you'd like. I'm not sure why my citations aren't being accepted but others are. Davescribe22 (talk) 00:03, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Davescribe22. I agree with Tenryuu. Your draft does not include any references to reliable, independent sources that devote significant coverage to Sassone as a person. Without such references, an acceptable Wikipedia article cannot be written. Cullen328 (talk) 00:21, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Quick example from another page I'm trying to add to (https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Robert_Ellis_Orrall). On his list of albums I've added his most recent, 467 Surf and Gun Club. Every time I add it someone deletes it because there's no source/citation. But look at the other albums above that. They're not sourced either! How is the album I want to add different? (And the one album that does have a link links to Wikipedia, which I'm told I can't do!) Davescribe22 (talk) 00:25, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@Davescribe22: It can be frustrating, but rules are being followed now. There are 6.5 million articles on Wikipedia, and not enough time to go through and remove unsourced statements from all of them that were submitted before there was proper attention on sourcing. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:31, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Davescribe22, Wikipedia has over 6.5 million articles and my guess is that at least two million of them have significant problems. Wikipedia editors should be correcting problems, instead of creating new problems. As for Orrall, I see significant coverage in the Washington Post . Cullen328 (talk) 00:36, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Oh, Orrall has plenty of coverage. He's a well-known guy. My specific question was why is the latest album I added (467 Surf and Gun Club) consistently deleted when it has the same exact format/sourcing as the dozen albums above it? If the album I'm trying to add should be deleted, shouldn't they all be deleted? (And by the way, in the Late 1990s and 2000s section I DO link to a source about the album). Davescribe22 (talk) 00:40, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

It is frustrating, to the point of not really being worth it. There's too much inconsistency, and I've already spent way too much time on that Sassone article, it's practically a part-time job, heh. I think it's sourced fine, with three independent sources (interview, articles, organizations), links to his official site, and links to other sites he has written for, etc. The same as many other sites I see.

It's unfortunate because I like Wikipedia. I'll still read it but there's no point to continuing to try to add to the community anymore. Oh well. Davescribe22 (talk) 00:37, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Davescribe22. Interviews are not independent and therefore do not help to establish notability. Listings in organizations that he is affiliated with are not independent and therefore do not help to establish notability. Articles or books that the subject has written are clearly not independent and obviously do not help to establish notability. His official site is worthless in establishing notability. Links to other sites he has written for are worthless in establishing notability. Notability is established by one thing and one thing only: The topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are completely independent of the topic. It is a three part test: significant, reliable and independent. If you truly and deeply understand notability, you can write as many articles as you want that will never be deleted. I speak from experience. I have written over 100 articles and not one of them has been deleted. That is because I make sure that the topic is notable before I start writing. Cullen328 (talk) 02:25, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Cullen328 I'm not sure why you used the Edit Source screen to reply to my comment instead of just hitting reply, but whatever. I'll do that too because it won't let me just reply for some reason, hope this looks OK. I guess my definition of "notable" is different than Wikipedia's. A notable writer to me is someone who is generally well-known and someone who has written for many publications for 30 years, with plenty of resources on the web to back that up (which I've linked to). You (and Wikipedia) can say that interviews aren't independent and reliable and organizations he belongs too aren' independent and reliable and places he has written for aren't independent and reliable, but taken as a whole? All of those things combined with citations and links (plus a dash of common sense) should be enough to prove who he is and what he has done (he's even mentioned on Wikipedia already - if you type in his name it redirects to one of the places he wrote for). But as I said, I've already spent enough time on this. If people want to contribute to that page to make it "better, " that's fantastic. If Wikipedia wants to delete it, I can't do anything about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davescribe22 (talk • contribs) 02:50, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Davescribe22, if you want to dissent from the policies and guidelines that made this website a top ten website worldwide for many years, you are of course entirely free to do so. You can start your own website where every published journalist is automatically presumed eligible for an article, or maybe you can call it a "profile" like countless social media websites with no inclusion criteria do. But if you want to write Wikipedia articles, you need to roll like Wikipedia rolls, and comply with its policies and guidelines. Once you take the time to understand the policies and guidelines. contributing here can be extremely gratifying, and not at all that difficult. Cullen328 (talk) 05:28, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

As for using "edit source" to reply to your comment, that is the way that I have edited for 13 years. Editing the source code is the method that gives the most consistent and accurate results for anyone willing to spend half an hour or so to learn basic Wikicode. Why should I switch to the substandard "Visual editor" just to respond to you? Cullen328 (talk) 05:34, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

"You need to roll like Wikipedia rolls." That's kind of my point. It doesn't roll in any consistent way. There are a gazillion pieces of information like the ones I've put in the article on the site and they're approved.

Not quite sure why you're using that tone. I'm just a new guy trying to learn how to do this. I don't have to be given a lecture on the history of Wikipedia or why the visual editor is "substandard." I mean, come on. Davescribe22 (talk) 13:31, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@Davescribe22, I'm not sure what you mean by "approved" - most stuff posted on Wikipedia doesn't need to be approved by anyone, which is one reason why things are so inconsistent. Another reason is that standards have changed over the years; what was okay ten years ago is no longer okay today, but very few people are interested in going around and doing clean-up. This is a volunteer project, and most volunteers are only interested in their tiny part of it - much like you are. We all know Wikipedia isn't perfect. It's never going to be perfect. Most of us are just trying to leave it a little better than we found it. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:00, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

This is part of the point I'm making right here. You know darn well what I mean by "approved," even if I'm new here and I'm not using the exact Wikipedia terminology. I mean deleted, edited, not accepted. I don't get why some people here have to be so argumentative.

But I get your point about this being done by volunteers, and I appreciate them and the fact that Wikipedia exists. It's just frustrating to see the inconsistency. Davescribe22 (talk) 14:10, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Davescribe22 No, we don't know what you mean by "approved". We can only see text on a screen, which does not convey emotion, context, etc. If you want to help address inconsistency in the over six million articles that we have, we would greatly appreciate you diving in to learn policies and guidelines, and then doing the work to apply them to articles. That's the only way things get done around here- is when people step up to do it in their free time. 331dot (talk) 14:15, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Um, I explained it in my message you replied to. Davescribe22 (talk) 14:16, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@Davescribe22, I apologize, I wasn't trying to come across as argumentative. People do come to the Teahouse thinking that every single thing on Wikipedia has been approved by someone, and there are indeed some things that need approval by other editors. It's a word that often causes confusion and needs clarification.

Believe me, we're all frustrated by the inconsistency, but we all have limited amounts of spare time and have to decide where it's best applied. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:16, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@Davescribe22 As was mentioned, several years ago, unreferenced info (and other poor stuff) could be added to Wikipedia. It would not have been approved because in the old days, nothing was approved or even reviewed. Once it's in an article, "bad stuff" can stay in place without being deleted, or repaired, if no one notices it. Or at least, no one who is an editor and realizes that some stuff doesn't meet guidelines and might need to be improved. I hope that makes more sense. David10244 (talk) 10:58, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

I guess my definition of "notable" is different than Wikipedia's.

That is most likely the case; Wikipedia's definition of notability can be found here. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:22, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for that link. And thanks for being so nice and helpful. I appreciate it. Davescribe22 (talk) 14:01, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

delete a reference

delete a reference Donna omack (talk) 09:37, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Is there a question? David notMD (talk) 11:09, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, @Donna omack, and welcome to the Teahouse! This is a place for new editors to ask questions about editing Wikipedia. Do you have a question?

Asparagusus (interaction) 13:21, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

help, im blocked.

i want to make an article about a game i like, but i'm blocked. i cant find a way to describe the game in an informational way. how do i get creative?? Joe mama slappy (talk) 02:40, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

You need to describe the game in an informational way if you want to have it on Wikipedia... Sungodtemple (talk) 02:40, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

WHat i mean is im struggling to find the right words to put it in to. Thanks for the help though, Im gonna call it a night. Joe mama slappy (talk) 03:19, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Avoid the word "blocked," as that has a special meaning in Wikipedia, as in temporarily or indefinitely blocked from editing for a serious transgression. David notMD (talk) 03:33, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Joe mama slappy, and welcome to the Teahouse. I may be misunderstanding, but it sounds to me as if you are trying to write from what you know. Perhaps surprisingly, Wikipedia isn't interested in what you know (or what I know, or what any random person on the internet knows). Wikipedia is only interested in what reliable sources say about a subject: that's all. You should be summarising what the reliable sources that you have found say about it, nothing more. Wikipedia isn't a place for creative writing. (And implicit in that is the idea that writing an article begins with finding the sources. This is like surveying the ground and building the foundations before you build a house: if you start building without doing it, your house will probably fall down). ColinFine (talk) 09:35, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

oh so on wikipedia, "blocked" basically means banned. huh. just like scratch. Joe mama slappy (talk) 12:36, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@Joe mama slappy Nope, not exactly the same, at least on Wikipedia. See WP:BLOCK and WP:BAN for the difference. Jolly1253 (talk) 12:49, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@ColinFine Ok, thats fair. I may have to chose a different subject for an article then because the only sources i can find are from fandom wiki and thats a no. Joe mama slappy (talk) 12:38, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

That's right, I'm afraid. Have you read your first article? It gives a lot of useful information.

The other thing I'll say is that I remember how, when I started editing Wikipedia in about 2005, I was desperately trying to find a new article to write, as I thought that was the way to "make my mark". Now I know that it is not the only, or necessairily the best way, and I have only ever created a dozen articles. In my opinion, a newish editor who improves existing articles (especially by finding missing sources) will be adding thousands of times more value to Wikipedia than if they tried to create a new article before they are equipped to do so. ColinFine (talk) 13:58, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

ok thanks. i def need slow down. i guess i got a little excited lol Joe mama slappy (talk) 15:04, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Name change of institution

The Brandywine River Museum of Art recently changed its name to The Brandywine Museum of Art. Everything else is the same about this organization. What is the best way to update the wikipedia page?

Astewart69 (talk) 15:29, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Astewart69 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you are associated with this museum, please first read WP:COI and WP:PAID for information on required formal disclosures. Regarding the question, Wikipedia does not necessarily use official or legal names as article titles, it uses whatever most sources use as a name(see WP:COMMONNAME). If you think the new name is the most common, you may request a page move at Requested Moves. 331dot (talk) 15:35, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Alignment

Hi, for this part of the article on the german national anthem, the 2 parts of lyrics aren't aligned. Is there any way to fix this?

Editing Deutschlandlied - Wikipedia Victor939 (talk) 01:51, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@Victor939 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse! I have fixed it in this edit where I just followed the template shown for the other example below. Jolly1253 (talk) 03:47, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes but I was wondering if you could direct me to a help page for such help page of pull down boxes? Wikikoolr (talk) 15:31, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

This question has already been asked in its own section below. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:07, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Improve article help

Hello, I am working on an article submission. It has been through a few drafts, and I am wondering if I can get help with addressing feedback that indicates there are problems mostly apparently with sources, but also about notability. I have to the best of my ability made the changes that have been suggested. Does anyone see anything to fix or improve before I try to submit it again? The article is https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:James_T._Andrews Rushistoriia (talk) 17:01, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Notability of environmental movement

Hi, I'm considering to write an article on a Swiss environmental movement named Renovate Switzerland. Their actions and the organization have been extensively covered in the Swiss national media (most articles are in French or German). However the movement is less than a year old. Is there a minimum age of existence for notability? Factfox (talk) 20:35, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Factfox, welcome to the Teahouse. There is no minimum age requirement. All you need is significant coverage in independent, reliable, published sources, which apparently they've got. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:41, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, I appreciate the quick reply. Factfox (talk) 21:00, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Factfox. Please read WP:Verifiability and WP:Reliable sources before starting. I had a quick look, and you will have to avoid almost all the blogs, social media, and other self-published websites near the top of search results, but anything covered in reliable newspapers, magazines, and other sources should be fine. I had to go deep into the results before finding anything that wasn't about the brief blockage of the Lausanne motorway, and if there's nothing else of note, then that could spell trouble, so try to find more coverage about other things. Another relevant guideline you should read is WP:USEENG; which basically says, please use English sources when you can find them and they are of equal quality; but don't hesitate to use French or German sources when needed. Finally, you might want to start the article as a WP:DRAFT; you can click this red link to do so: Draft:Renovate Switzerland; ping me at my talk page or from the article talk page if you want specific help about the article. mfG / amicalement, Mathglot (talk) 03:18, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@Factfox: After a quick look in the French-speaking press, most of mentions seem to be WP:ROUTINE coverage as Mathglot said, but that article from the Tribune de Genève is probably better. ("Probably", because I do not have access, so I can only read the title.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 11:11, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@Mathglot @Tigraan Thank you for your guidance. I am collecting sources (I could get the one from Tribune de Genève, it's indeed a more in depth article about the topic) and preparing the draft. I will ping you when it's ready to share. Factfox (talk) 19:33, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

someone is threatening permanent banishment

This 'editor' (en.wiki.x.io/wiki/User:Kevinbalor) is employed by a company that we were under the impression could help develop a page to get it published. Once we realized they were frauds, we requested our money back. They did zero work on the draft, I can see they never made one edit on the page. They said they would refund a fraction of what was paid after we completed their "ownership transfer" and then shared an address to a page (en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Editor:Kevin_Balor/Entry_For:William_B_Elmore), but this is not the address to the draft in question. Now they are threatening to have the page permanently banned now that we have asked the credit card company to refund the amount spent versus trying to settle the matter with them. Can anyone just make a request to have a page permanently banned? Not sure what to do with this company/this claimed wikipedia professional. Any advise? Butopian (talk) 20:10, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@Butopian: It appears you have been scammed. Follow the instructions on that page, but unfortunately your money is gone. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:12, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Also, Kevinbalor hasn't edited in over 5 1/2 years so it's most likely someone impersonating them. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:13, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@Butopian: The best advice is to not try to force the issue of creating an article(not a "page") and allow an article to be developed organically, when an independent editor takes note of the topic you want to see an article created for, in independent reliable sources. This way you avoid the potential for scams. 331dot (talk) 20:24, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, I have followed the instructions on that page. I appreciate your help. Butopian (talk) 21:26, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

The other thing to understand, Butoplan, is that what the scammers were offering you is probably not possible. Unless your person (presumably William B Elmore?) meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability - roughly that several people wholly unconneced with him, and not prompted or fed information by him or his associates, have chosen to publish significant amounts about him in reliable sources - then no article about him will be accepted however it is written and whoever writes it. If he does meet these criteria, then an article is possible, but it will not belong to or be controlled by him. Articles can be deleted, and if they are attempts to write about non-notable subjects, they often are deleted. Sorry. ColinFine (talk) 20:24, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

The copy on EverybodyWiki by User talk:Clamsroa appears for me in the first results page of a Google search (SERP). I don't see enough independent coverage to of Mr. Elmore to satisfy English Wikipedia policy: this looks like a good example of OTHEROUTLETs actually working. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 19:59, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

As far as an article being "permanently banned" - subjects can be salted, prevented from creation because an article has been repeatedly deleted and recreated. It's still possible to create those pages, but it's a slightly longer process than usual. I don't see how the company you mention has any power to "salt" the subject William B. Elmore, except by disruptively trying to create the article in mainspace, and if they do that, their accounts will quickly be blocked. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:26, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Butopian, Although User:Kevinbalor claims to have made 10,000 edits, in reality they only made nine edits, all on June 8, 2017, and all to set up their hoax userpage. Cullen328 (talk) 21:14, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your help and advice! Butopian (talk) 21:33, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Butopian: User:Kevinbalor appears to have no regard for the truth, as shown by their user page. (OK, I am asked by Wikipedia rules to assume goodwill, but in this case I can't manage it.) Their threat to have a page permanently banned is no more credible than anything else they've said. Maproom (talk) 22:08, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

That you, that is my conclusion as well. I just wanted other more experienced opinions before I responded to this most recent threat by him. I appreciate your input! Butopian (talk) 22:11, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@Butopian and Cullen328: in a link at KevinB's User page, they have a page statistics link showing the edits of Jennica (talk · contribs)^[noping] who has 77,000 edits, last edit yesterday. Whether this is a random, experienced user they picked as a scam to "substantiate" a large edit history, or a sock or other valid alternate account, I couldn't say without further investigation; although it's suspicious that KevinBalor "only" claims 10,000 if they could've claimed much more. Further suspicion is cast by the fact that KevinB's user page looks like a clone of Jennica's user page, and the claim of 10,000 edits in 2016 for Jennica is believable. Cullen, I'll leave it to you whether to link or inquire further of Jennica, but my suspicion is that they are an innocent bystander, and that KevinB simply trolled around for a suitable experienced editor and cloned their page. Mathglot (talk) 01:02, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Mathglot, I too took a look at Jennica's connection to this hoax and came to the same conclusion that you did. I am quite confident that Jennica is an innocent victim who does not need to be drawn into this drama. As for the claim of 10,000 edits, maybe this paid editing scammer group lost the password to that account, for one of a variety of plausible reasons, and just used the 2017 version of the userpage under the assumption that their marks would not know how to search a user's edit history to disprove the fraudulent claims. We are not dealing with rocket scientists here. Cullen328 (talk) 01:54, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

How can things like this be reported? Butopian (talk) 01:46, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Butopian, you have reported it here. You are also free to report it to the cybercrimes experts in your local jurisdiction. Cullen328 (talk) 01:54, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Butopian. All Wikipedia editors (including administrators) are volunteers which means pretty any action that they can take would be limited to Wikipedia. This unfortunately means that any "real-world" ways of seeking redress are beyond the purview of Wikipedia and likely are going to be something you're going to need to figure out yourself. You might try contacting your local police, the Better Business Bureau, or a comsumer advocacy group, but Wikipedia editors aren't really supposed to give you any type of legal advice. You should also be very careful about posting real-world information about others anywhere on Wikipedia as explained here even if you feel you've been wronged by them in someway. You should follow the advice given in WP:PAID#Reporting undisclosed paid editors or WP:COI#Solicitations by paid editors and provide specific details via email instead. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:09, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I did provide specifics through an email earlier today. And I wasn't thinking real world resolve from this forum, we are dealing with it in the real world. Thank you for your input and advice. Butopian (talk) 02:14, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Locked Page

Hi, I am trying to create a page for MicroEJ, but found that the page has been deleted several times and has a protection. I believe this company is very notable and have already created a draft here Draft:MicroEJ_(software). I would like an admin to review and see if they can allow the creation. And before you ask, no I do not have a conflict of interest. I am just familiar with their software due to the type of work I am in. Lowlifeoutlet (talk) 21:32, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Lowlifeoutlet You should submit it for a review, I've added the information for you to do so; if accepted, the reviewer will handle placing it in the encyclopedia. My cursory glance suggests to me that the sources are not appropriate for establishing notability, as they seem to be mostly announcements of routine business activities. 331dot (talk) 21:38, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

You will need to have addressed the concerns of the deletion discussion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MicroEJ. 331dot (talk) 21:40, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Re: World records for fastest motorcycle ride around Australia - Wikipedia

Hi The information contained in this article is incorrect My husband, GRAHAM FORLONGE still hold the record for going around Australia on a Kawasaki1000 in under 10 days. This record can never be broker as he was the last one to do it on dirt road across Northern parts of Australia.

Warrick Shuberg never completed the record attempt as he had to withdraw from it in Perth due to illness. Graham and Warrick started off eh attempt together . Graham completed it. These facts are discoverable as they did it to collect money for the Melanoma Foundation and were met at the Sydney Opera house on his return by the media.

See info in his book - In One Lifetime - Graham Forlonge. Can be viewed if Googled Please advise how to correct this as we are not very computer literate. 111.220.30.18 (talk) 21:42, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Please point this out at the foot of Talk:World records for fastest motorcycle ride around Australia. There are already two questions on that page to which, it seems, nobody has paid any attention; and therefore you might reasonably suppose that nobody will pay attention to your message either. But after you've posted your message there, post another to the foot of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian motorsport, not to duplicate it but instead to invite people to see it. Note that you'll need to cite independent evidence. Saying that "facts are discoverable" isn't enough: precisely where are the facts published? (The sources must be independent of the riders.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:12, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

date and time

hiya, sorry to bother you guys again. how to i change my date and time to my accurate timezone? SkipperJoe (talk) 21:21, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

There should be an option in the dropdown list for the timezone in your Preferences that reads "Fill in from browser". —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 21:39, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

well, the minutes are right but the hour is wrong. its 21:00 (9pm) SkipperJoe (talk) 21:54, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@Joe mama slappy, that setting only changes some of the timestamps you see. Others will always be in UTC. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:14, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

ok SkipperJoe (talk) 22:21, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Getting intervention for incompetent editor

I’ve run across an editor whose command of English is poor enough that each edit they’ve done is incomprehensible. What’s the best way to get appropriate intervention with minimum drama? — rsjaffe 🗣️ 21:52, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

It's incomprehensible to you, Rsjaffe, but it might be comprehensible to others. Please (undramatically) identify the writer. -- Hoary (talk) 22:14, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary: Apparently it's User:BLACK NIGHT ARMY. The user page is written in the same incomprehensible English as the edits.

I routinely revert English that is not clear enough for me to correct, or if the words add no value. @Rsjaffe: perhaps a polite suggestion on the user's talk page may be in order, suggesting that they propose changes on the talk page, or focus on a version of Wikipedia in their own native language. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:20, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Apparently some kids in a non-US country think WP is a bulletin board or social media. Their English is poor. Their content is low quality junk. Per WP:CIR, I have warned them on their talk page.--Quisqualis (talk) 22:51, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Input on a page I am trying to get approved

Any feedback on this? I was initially told the chief wasn't notable enough to have a page. I tried to beef it up to include more information about his notable accomplishments other than being a police chief. https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Todd_Douglas_Axtell JenniferRose77 (talk) 23:08, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, JenniferRose77. WP:ONE EVENT specifies that, when notability-qualifying material is published about a subject, and it pertains to a single event (e.g., the murder or George Floyd), then the subject is not Wikipedia-notable. Other than his video advice to cops, Axtell is a fairly typical police chief in a larger city.--Quisqualis (talk) 23:26, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. That makes sense, I suppose. 156.98.161.187 (talk) 23:39, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@JenniferRose77: I'll say that you improved it significantly since it was declined. Did you let the previous reviewer know? In addition to the comment above, my concern is that some of the sources appear to be WP:ROUTINE and not independent of the subject (police publications for example). While you wait for someone to review it, you can make further improvements. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:28, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedback. That's helpful. I'll work on improvements. I did let the previous reviewer know. 156.98.161.187 (talk) 23:39, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@JenniferRose77: I'm going to unfortunately have to disagree with @Anachronist:'s assessment of the updated article. You added a Twitter link, an in-line external link to Axtell's web site (see WP:EL), and a YouTube link to a WCCO segment on the local CBS news. Of the three, only the YouTube link contributes to notability since it's indepth coverage of his last day. This is a better source for Todd Axtell Day than Twitter. Nonetheless, I don't think it moves the notability needle enough to meet Wikipedia's guidelines. There needs to be more coverage showing why he's notable, and not just for being a long-serving police chief. Also of concern is that this appears to be a resubmitted draft of Draft:Todd Axtell, which was declined four times. With the WP:SPA nature of the two accounts that created the drafts, I have to ask if you are the same person. I also have to ask if you have a conflict of interest. You've added unsourced info that seems only someone closely connected to the chief would know. Please read WP:COI and make the necessary disclosures. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:57, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

foul language

Is foul language taboo 168.182.68.163 (talk) 23:58, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

There are certainly articles that contain content that some readers may find offensive. See WP:NOTCENSORED, but using foul language on Talk pages is generally unacceptable. See WP:ETIQUETTE. HiLo48 (talk) 00:19, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1166. It isn't taboo, but gratuitous use of it on here may be seen as inappropriate and removed by way of a policy like Wikipedia:Civility. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:21, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Want to use image uploaded to other language Wikipedia

There is an image I found uploaded to the Korean language Wikipedia from 2010. Link The copyright is "Creative Commons 3.0 unported". I would like to use it in a page I am creating for English language Wikipedia. What is the procedure for using it within a different language Wiki? Or better yet, is there a way I can send it to Wikimedia so it can be presumably be used by other languages Wikis? Thank you kindly. ₪RicknAsia₪ 08:27, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Each Wikimedia project can only use media files uploaded to that specific project or to Wikimedia Commons. In order for the file to be used here it would need to be either transferred to Wikimedia Commons, or uploaded locally. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 08:51, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@Rickinasia, that file is on Wikimedia Commons, so you can use it. It's here. Valereee (talk) 14:23, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Wonderful. Thank you everyone. ₪RicknAsia₪ 01:17, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Create an Article

hello, I would like help in creating an article for Boni Faas a Universal Music Group artist. Pat.Boniface (talk) 21:13, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@Pat.Boniface: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1166. Wikipedia:Your first article should give you some pointers and more as to what the encyclopedia expects to be an acceptable article. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:37, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Attempt at Boni Faas Speedy deleted and Pat.Boniface indef blocked for promotional. David notMD (talk) 01:23, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Adding a correct copyright license tag

hello, I am a new editor, it's good to be here. I would like to ADD a copyright license tag to an image I uploaded in the infobox of this article image the image was created inhouse. I assume it is now freeware. I added the code {{CopyrightedFreeUse-Link [1] }} to the image's own page (File:PASTA UND DESIGN3.jpg) with a link to a website. Is that the right way/location to edit? Thanks for your help DfGSDgd% (talk) 16:58, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, DfGSDgd%, and welcome to the Teahouse.

The first thing is that you got the syntax wrong: you left out the '|' (pipe character) between the template name and its argument. But more seriously, I see no evidence at the site you point to that it has been placed in the public domain (i.e. that the copyright holder has chosen to relinquish all rights to it). Do you personally control the copyright (either because you own it, or because it is owned by a body whose rights you have the legal authority to assign)? If so, then you have the power to place it in the public domain as you have purported to do; but in that case I would suggest that you probably prefer to license it under a licence such as CC-BY-SA. If you do not, then you do not have that power.

In any case, do you really want to permit anybody in the world to alter or reuse your cover freely for any purpose, commercial or not? Publishers usually do not want to. The usual way of handling book covers is to upload them as non-free content, which is permitted if all the criteria are met (see that link for details). See WP:NFCI for more information. ColinFine (talk) 17:20, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Got it, thanks. Just re-uploaded a copy under the automated non-free use / book cover option. DfGSDgd% (talk) 18:14, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@DfGSDgd%: Each use of non-free content must satisfy all ten of the non-free content use criteria listed here. File:Pasta und Design CC.jpg that you uploaded currently fails to meet criterion #7 and criterion #10c. If you fail to address these issues sometime soon, the file will end up being deleted per either speedy deletion criterion F5 or speedy deletion criterion F6. As for the file you uploaded to Commmons as File:PDB G2L 0.jpg, [it seems that you aren't the copyright holder of the book cover imagery and might have misunderstood c:COM:Own work. If that's really the case, then Commons can't keep the file you uploaded without verifying the c:COM:CONSENT of the copyright holder of the book as explained here. So, if you aren't the copyright holder and just made a mistaken in uploading the photo, then that's OK; you should, however, follow the instructions given here and tag the file for speedy deletion using the template c:Template:Db-author yourself before someone else tags it as copyright violation per c:COM:DW. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:27, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

RE: My Draft

I want to start by thanking all of the helpful and immediate feedback that I received from my last post about this topic. Since my last post regarding Draft:Ancomah, I have sought out more reliable sources on the topic. As I stated previously, much information on this topic has been lost or archived since the mid 2010s. Most sources now have a first and last name connected to them, and many claims have more than one source to back them. Please left me know if there's anything I'm still doing wrong, if not enough significant change was made, or anything else that could help me raise my odds of publishing this article. ParkerHaley2003VersionTwo (talk) 13:30, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, ParkerHaley2003VersionTwo. Atlantipedia is a one person website where Tony O'Connell peddles his personal theories about Atlantis. It is not a reliable source. En.academic.com is a Wikipedia mirror and is not a reliable source. Fortraveladvicelovers.com is a promotional clickbait site and is not a reliable source. Ancient Realms is a themed musical playlist website and is not a reliable source. Luccav.com is the website of a fiction writer. It is not a reliable source. You must use indisputably reliable academic quality sources for an article about a fringe topic. Cullen328 (talk) 16:07, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback, it is much appreciated. I think that I’m going to give up on the article because there aren’t enough reliable sources on the topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ParkerHaley2003VersionTwo (talk • contribs) 02:43, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Hungarian Slovak Gypsies in America

I don't know why they are trying to delete this page, http://www.smithsonianeducation.org/migrations/gyp/gypstart.html the Smithsonian, Harvard University, Dr. Ian Hancock, Roosevelt University, Oberlin college, Pittsburgh University, Cleveland State University, Professor Steve Balkin, and far too much more to list, but these highest places that recognize The Hungarian Slovak Gypsies in America is not enough for you? How much more do you need. There is a lot more to support this, I don't know how much you need and why. Gypsyviolins (talk) 19:40, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hungarian Slovak Gypsies in the United States and Hungarian Slovak Gypsies in the United States - 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:46, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@Gypsyviolins: articles on wikipedia have to be shown to be notable. you need reliable, independent sources that cover the subject significantly to prove something's notability. generally, at least two sources are needed. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 04:01, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

1998 Collage not appearing

When I hover my mouse over the year 1998 link on various articles, the photo collage doesn't appear unlike all the other years after it. Any reason for this? The ganymedian (talk) 19:43, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@The ganymedian, welcome back. Do you mean 1998? It appears for me. Perhaps you need to clear your browser's cache? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:53, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Hmm. If I hover over the 1998 link while logged out, the Page Preview displays the collage, as IP 199 points out. However, if I do so while logged in (with navigation popups turned on -- I presume @The ganymedian is using this setting as well), I see File:Éder Militão.jpg instead. I'm not sure why the popup is showing that image instead as it's further down the page; perhaps a more technically-minded TH host can assist? –FlyingAce^✈hello 04:45, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

i am trying to rename my sandbox page but idk how

i'm new to wikipedia and idk how to rename my sandbox page Technofacts (talk) 00:49, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Renaming is called "moving". Click on the option to "Move" your sandbox. (Of course, you can't just move it anywhere.) -- Hoary (talk) 00:55, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, @Technofacts, and welcome to the Teahouse! Adding onto what the previous answer said, the move option is usually found under the "More" category on the top right of your screen. It depends on the device, though.

Asparagusus (interaction) 01:45, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Technofacts. Instead of trying to WP:MOVE your primary user sandbox to a new title, it might be better for you to create a sub-sandbox (userspace draft) instead. You can copy-and-paste the content in your user sandbox into your the userspace draft you create and then WP:BLANK your main sandbox for you to work on other things if you want. Finally, based on what you've been working on in User:Technofacts/sandbox, you might want to take a look at Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not because none of the content currently in your user sandbox is even close to being OK for Wikipedia. If your intent is to try and create a WP:ARTICLE about a Twitch streamer, then there's still lots of work that needs to be done before it would even be considered viable even as a WP:DRAFT for a possible future Wikipedia article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:08, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

References

How can I add references to an article while editing from a mobile? Adibens (talk) 05:16, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Are you editing "source", Adibens, or are you using the "visual editor"? If the former, then in the same way that you'd add them when using a computer. If the latter, I have no idea. -- Hoary (talk) 06:32, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Hoary I use source editor and I haven't edited from a computer yet so I've no idea how to add references at all. Adibens (talk) 06:48, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

WP:TUTORIAL and User:Cullen328/Smartphone editing may be of help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:52, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

I've been through WP:TUTORIAL and I understood the format of adding references but my question is how do I add them? Do I just look for them in the web and then add them? Adibens (talk) 07:09, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Not normally, Adibens. (You only do this when you encounter some sloppily unreferenced material, think there are good sources for it, search for these sources, and, if you find them, then add them.) What you normally do is start with good sources, whether on the web or on paper. You condense what you read in those good sources, add it to drafts or articles, and refer to it. -- Hoary (talk) 07:12, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

new Greek article

Does anyone know the Greek Wikipedia page where I can write a new Greek article like in English Wikipedia:How to create a page? Wname1 (talk) 08:38, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Wname1 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You might get lucky and find someone familiar with the Greek Wikipedia here- but your best bet is to ask this question on the Greek Wikipedia. I suspect that the process is roughly the same there as it is here, though. 331dot (talk) 09:18, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

@Wname1: I don't know Greek Wikipedia policies but if you just mean the technical question of how to create a new page then Wikipedia:How to create a page gives several ways. All of them also work at the Greek Wikipedia except the "Create page" box which would require finding a similar box there. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:50, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Use and found now Wikipedia:Help desk on Greek Wikipedia, thanks! Wname1 (talk) 12:02, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

How to approach a lack of sources?

Hello all! I want to say first off that I'm new here, so any advice is appreciated. Anyways, I am trying my best to translate the de:Gerhard_Gerlich article from the German branch of wikipedia into English. Originally I just wanted to translate the article, but since my draft was rejected for a lack of sources and references I began looking for those, as the original article itself lacked them. My issue then became, however, that the amount of information on this individual was rather sparse in all existing references. What I ended up finding was a biography on the individual commissioned by an independent organization to an independent (but accredited and experienced) biographer, which itself used plenty of official and reputable sources, both government and academic.

My question now is, in trying to expand and rewrite this article with the appropriate citations I've found myself nearly solely citing this singular biography, partially out of convenience but primarily out of necessity. I need to ask, is this poor practice? I looked on the article for how to write my first article, and it mentioned that the purpose of Wikipedia is to summarize other quality and reputable articles. I just want to make sure that primarily using this one biography, only sometimes supplemented by others, instead of relying on a variety of sources, won't be frowned upon.Jazzertyy (talk) 12:52, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Jazzertyy Hello and welcome. It would be rare, I think, for an article to be accepted that is only sourced to a single source. In general multiple independent reliable sources are needed(there is no specific number, but usually three is what is looked for). It may be acceptable on the German Wikipedia to use a single source, every language version of Wikipedia has its own policies and editors that decide what is acceptable. 331dot (talk) 12:58, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

I suppose you mean de:Gerhard Gerlich? As there is no Gerhard Gerling on de-wikipedia... Lectonar (talk) 13:01, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

I did yes, I'm on mobile right now so my ability to write properly is a bit inhibited, thank you. Jazzertyy (talk) 13:03, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

But I think there is a meaningful enough difference between using only a single source and primarily relying on say, one or two, while supplementing it with additional ones for smaller details. I just didn't know if disproportional citation of one source was bad practice. Jazzertyy (talk) 13:03, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

I guess it depends on how small the details are. Generally it is expected that an article will cite multiple independent reliable sources with significant coverage in order to meet the notability definition. I could certainly see one fantastic source backed up by a few sources for specific details as being acceptable. I don't think it is an inherently bad practice. 331dot (talk) 13:06, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

I actually recall the article's initial review already confirming that the subject met notability requirements, so I'll just continue on as I've been and keep looking for other sources, thank you for the advice. Jazzertyy (talk) 13:10, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Looking at the sources in the de-article...quite a few are about the school named after him which was later renamed. The talk-page over there also has some discussion about sources. Looking at your edits and the source you added to the de-article on October 5th (and which haven't been accepted yet), the source being an assessment from the Biografie- und Chronik-Service Dr. Ulrich Erdmann (BCE) which was written on behalf of the Sudetendeutsches Kulturwerk Schleswig-Holstein e.V.....someone with a better knowledge of what constitues a reliable source in cases like these would be needed. Lectonar (talk) 13:18, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Assist on my draft

Hi, I'd really appreciate some assist on my draft, which keeps getting draftified saying "not ready for mainspace." Can anyone independently review it and move it to mainspace, or point me out the incorrections so that I can rectify them? Thanks a lot. Bangladeshbatelion (talk) 13:05, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Bangladeshbatelion You have submitted it for review(a good thing, I think). Do you want the review process to play out or do you want someone else to just place it in mainspace for you? If you want to try to persuade someone to move it for you without a review, you should reverse your submission for review. Do you have a particular need to see this urgently placed in mainspace? 331dot (talk) 13:09, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

My initial question is, which of the suggested criteria for a likelihood of reliable sources do you claim he meets? 331dot (talk) 13:13, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

@Bangladeshbatelion: Are you evading a block? It seems that every other editor who has created that draft was a sockpuppet of Mostly shoaib. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 13:31, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

If you aren't that editor, then that's fine, just say so. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 13:38, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Blocked as a sock; states that they are a paid editor who got the "file" from their client. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:56, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

When to write quotes in their original language versus English?

What is the guidance for when quotes should be translated, when they should be given in their original language but also translated, and which should come first? The MOS for quotations doesn't seem to include this and just says that non-English quotations should appear with a translation; doesn't say anything about when to put only English. Specifically, Louis XIV#quotes has it three different ways and Women's March on Versailles#Attack on the palace is a good article but has an untranslated French quote. mossypiglet (talk) Go blue! 00:25, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Mossypiglet, make that Louis XIV#Quotes (it's case-sensitive). I suggest that a quotation should always be in both the original language and in English unless there's a pretty compelling reason to skip the one or the other, for example, that the original can't be translated well without commentary and anyway is so well known that it has an article that can be linked to. (Cf Honi soit qui mal y pense.) As for the order to put them -- non-English and then English, or vice versa -- and whether to relegate one or other to a note, I suggest an effort towards consistency within a given context (though not if consistency would have grotesque results). Too much effort can be put into making MoS more comprehensive: a vast MoS could be laborious to consult and therefore counterproductive. -- Hoary (talk) 01:08, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Hoary, thank you for your helpful answer. mossypiglet (talk) Go blue! 15:31, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

List of HIV-positive people

The page "https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/List_of_HIV-positive_people" title needs to be changed to align with "preferred language" by people living with HIV. Instead of "List of HIV-positive people", it is preferred to use "List of people living with HIV".

Instead of labeling people by the medical diagnosis, use "people first language". It helps reduce stigma and discrimination in relation to highly stigmatized medical conditions. How do I go about making this change?

Thank you, Vickie Lynn Valynn (talk) 15:55, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

You can make a move request on Talk:List of HIV-positive people, see Wikipedia:Requested moves. Madeline (part of me) 16:02, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, there is no policy consensus on using "people first language". Regardless of your personal opinion, there needs to be consensus before implementing such a general policy. You can request the move, but I doubt it will be accepted - certainly not to "people living with HIV" as there are several dead people in that article. WPscatter ^t/_c 16:33, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Georgy Zhukov

Georgy Zhukov

His D.O.B. is widely quoted as December 1st, yet his plaque in the Kremlin says December 2nd. Can anyone resolve this?

Thanks Robbie 212.159.140.168 (talk) 00:09, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

I assume you have seen a picture of the plaque, and not the plaque itself; if so, can you provide a link to an authoritative website which shows an image of the plaque? I can tell you that the Russian Wikipedia page about Zhukov lists his birthdate as "19 November (1 December) 1896" ("19 ноября (1 декабря) 1896"; see Жуков, Георгий Константинович. Mathglot (talk) 01:42, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Our source for the claim in the article on Georgy Zhukov appears to be Geoffrey Roberts' Stalin's General, which explains in an endnote that when Zhukov was born, the Julian calendar was 12 days behind the Gregorian, but when Russia adopted the Gregorian calendar, the difference was 13 days, and Zhukov incorrectly added the 13 days difference rather than the 12 it had been when he was born when converting his birthday to the Gregorian calendar. (Ch. 2 note 1; visible to me on Google Books via the preview.) Hence December 1 is the correct date but December 2 was frequently used by Soviet sources. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 08:05, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Sounds like a footnote explaining that would be a good idea. ColinFine (talk) 09:30, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Mathglot - the photo is the one of his grave in the Kremlin Necropolis in his en.wiki.x.io entry at "Death" - if you enlarge it you'll see the 2/xii of his birth date. Robbie 212.159.140.168 (talk) 17:54, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Help!

Is there anyone who would be willing to help me get my first article finished? I'm struggling trying to finish Dan Tracey. Please let me know! Bdubs1936 (talk) 18:16, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Dan Tracey - 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:21, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

There are a ton of formatting issues, try seeing other articles about musicians for formatting record tables. In addition, make sure to use inline citations without bare URLs.

Technical issues aside, the article is too promotional and does not use the tone expected in a Wikipedia article. The linked pages will give you guidance. Sungodtemple (talk) 18:46, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Hiding certain images

Hi. I need help hiding certain images. I didn't want to ask this type of question on the Teahouse as it sounds odd. I tried it myself, but I don't get the coding. Cwater1 (talk) 20:28, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Cwater1. I gather you're trying to install badimages.js? First you'd need to determine which skin you're using (by going to Special:Preferences -> Appearance tab -> "Skin"). Then you would need to create the appropriate js page depending on which skin you use (common.js, monobook.js, etc.) and add the code shown here. What happens when you try it? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:55, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Cwater. Please read Help:Options to hide an image for additional options. Cullen328 (talk) 20:59, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

The current setting is Vector legacy 2010. Cwater1 (talk) 21:08, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cwater1, then clicking this link should take you to your skin's js page: Special:MyPage/vector.js. Edit it and add the code mentioned above. If you want the code to apply across all skins you may ever use, apparently you can create Special:MyPage/common.js instead and add the code there. Try either one and see what happens. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:16, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

I went on Special:MyPage/common.js and used the code. This came up: Error: Expected a string and instead saw {. Cwater1 (talk) 21:20, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Update: Tried using "importScript", "mw.loader.load", and "iusc" and even tried a :. It still says error on bottom in edit box Cwater1 (talk) 21:46, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Hopefully someone who's more familiar with JavaScript will come along and be able to explain what all that means (if you're that person, see longer error string here). If no one does, @Cwater1, the best place to ask would be WP:VPT, where the tech experts hang out; if you post there, including a link to this Teahouse thread would probably be helpful. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:48, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Sent a message. Thank you for your attempt at helping me. Cwater1 (talk) 21:53, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328 @199.208.172.35 I don't think it worked. Oh, well. Cwater1 (talk) 04:02, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cwater1, you could try improving your error report by following the steps here, but since the creator of the script is apparently no longer editing Wikipedia, there may not be much else you can do. I have no idea what you meant above by "Tried using "importScript", "mw.loader.load", and "iusc" and even tried a :." - none of those things should be necessary, just a simple copy/paste of {{subst:lusc|User:Mr.Z-man/badimages.js}}. Unfortunately, as an IP editor, I can't just try it myself to see what happens. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:42, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

I tried it just now. Cwater1 (talk) 22:46, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cwater1, cool. Follow the instructions to bypass your cache, and then... well... hopefully it works, I suppose. I'm not sure how you'd check. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:55, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

I thought all you do is copy and paste to the code then you're done. That is what I did. Cwater1 (talk) 02:16, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

It looks like it didn't work. I did the copy and paste. I looked at the semen article and nothing is hidden. Cwater1 (talk) 19:34, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Formatting on page messed up and sections not appearing

I'm working in a sandbox creating an article and the formatting has gotten messed up with sections not appearing on the page or not being formatted in the original content. Also in this specific sandbox4 in "Early Life" I can't get the template of songs out of the section and when I try to delete it, it completely messes up the lower section "Billboard Charts". Can you assist me and let me know what I'm doing incorrectly so I can fix it?

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/User:Pennyframstad/sandbox4

Thank you so much for your helpPennyframstad (talk) 22:01, 5 October 2022 (UTC)pennyframstad

@Pennyframstad: Headings should be marked up as headings; they are not just text with a style applied. They need to be actual headings so that the automatically-generated table of contents works properly. I have done this for you in your sandbox so you can see how it's done. Also, we don't use title case on Wikipedia. All headings should be sentence case; see MOS:HEADINGS. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:29, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Anachronist can you look at the "early life section" and remove the template at the bottom of the section? When I try deleting it deletes the "Billboard singles". Not sure what to do. thank you so much Pennyframstad (talk) 22:41, 5 October 2022 (UTC)pennyframstad

@Pennyframstad: You didn't properly close a named citation tag, so the discography section was assumed to be part of a mangled and incomplete citation. I just did it for you, by adding a single character. See this diff to see what I did. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:51, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much Anachronist! I have another quick question. When I tried to switch one section to another section and it didn't show in the preview so I didn't make the edit. Can you tell me what happened with that? I've had that happen in the past too and I'm never quite sure what happened. I even moved to the content into another sandbox and it still did it. Thanks your helpPennyframstad (talk) 22:55, 5 October 2022 (UTC)pennyframstad

Are you using the visual editor? I use the standard plain source editor, and if I want to see a preview, I click the "preview" button. Honestly, I didn't know there was an automatic preview feature, if that's what you're implying. I would say, if what you do doesn't show up in the automatic preview, it probably couldn't parse what you did, it might be best not to save it. In my opinion the most reliable way to edit is with the source editor, but that admittedly has a learning curve. Wiki-markup isn't hard to learn though. You can learn nearly all you need to know by looking at the source text already in your draft. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:00, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@Anachronist: The reply tool has an automated preview feature, and AFAIK you can even enable live preview for the source editor via a preference. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 05:35, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Pennyframstad (talk) 21:01, 6 October 2022 (UTC)pennyframstad

Thanks you Pennyframstad (talk) 21:01, 6 October 2022 (UTC)pennyframstad

Infobox help please

Just edited Umayyad conquest of Hispania to label a |partof, but it's not appearing. Anyone know what's going on?

Please @ me with {{Re|GOLDIEM J}} when you reply. GOLDIEM J (talk) 22:26, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @GOLDIEM J - a helpful fellow editor has fixed it for you thusly. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:55, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

@199.208.172.35: ok now I feel dumb🤪 — Preceding unsigned comment added by GOLDIEM J (talk • contribs) 23:05, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

My Town

There is not too much information about my village in Wikipedia.Why Changes by me are removed? I know my village well , please let me update it. $hubham Kumar $ah (talk) 09:44, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

$hubham Kumar $ah Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately, we cannot accept information based on your personal knowledge. All information in Wikipedia must be supported with a citation to a published independent reliable source that can be verified. 331dot (talk) 09:48, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello @$hubham Kumar $ah, Imagine if everyone was allowed to add what they know to Wikipedia, what a mess that would be. I suggest you try adding what has been published in reliable media about your village. That should work. OtuNwachinemere (talk) 00:07, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Referring to my old help page

I said"how do you make a box on your page" when I said that I meant a pull down box not a info box Wikikoolr (talk) 15:23, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

For reference, this post further up the page. @Wikikoolr, what do you mean by "a pull down box"? Can you give an example of an article that has one? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:27, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

I mean a box that has info at the bottom of the page such like on the page "Nintendo switch" at the bottom of the page there is boxes for additional info. Wikikoolr (talk) 15:34, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

It's Kinda hard to explain Wikikoolr (talk) 15:45, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello? Wikikoolr (talk) 15:57, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@Wikikoolr I think that the boxes you are referring to are the ones that help readers navigate to other related articles. They are inserted using templates, so {{Nintendo Switch}} is an example, in the case of the Nintendo Switch article, with a default of its expanded state, so readers see it without having to click on "show". You could in principle use that same template on your User Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:01, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Okay I think that answers my question and I have one more question about how you should do so. Wikikoolr (talk) 16:35, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@Wikikoolr, the answer has already been given above - you insert a template (by editing the page and copying the template code into it). The trick is figuring out which template you want. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:38, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

By when you said {{Nintendo switch}} did you mean "Nintendo Switch " Wikikoolr (talk) 16:38, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

No. They were referring to the template {{Nintendo Switch}}. There's a big difference. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:39, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

In what? Wikikoolr (talk) 16:42, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

I went to that page it did not help Wikikoolr (talk) 16:43, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@Wikikoolr, Nintendo Switch is an article on the Nintendo Switch. {{Nintendo Switch}} is a template that inserts a navigation box on a page. The navigation box links to many different articles related to the Switch, so folks reading the article can jump to different, related articles easily. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:47, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

No that is not what I'm looking for. I am look ing for a drop down box that holds additional info on the article. Wikikoolr (talk) 16:49, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@Wikikoolr, I'm still not sure what you mean. Is there such a box on Nintendo Switch? Can you explain exactly where it is in the article, or quote some text from it, so we can figure out what you're seeing? You're using a mobile device, so what you see probably isn't going to be the same as what we see. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:53, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

What I am trying to say is the very bottom of the page there are boxes before the other related articles and after the main text article Wikikoolr (talk) 16:58, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@Wikikoolr, after the article text, I see, in order: See also section; Notes section; References section (good gods is that long); External links section, with a box on the right hand side that links to Commons; a bunch of navigation templates (purple boxes); portal links; and, finally, categories. Are any of those the thing you're referring to? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:05, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Ha ha lol yes, references is the type that I am referring to. Wikikoolr (talk) 17:11, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@Wikikoolr, adding references is easy. Just put something between <ref> and </ref>, then add {{reflist}} to the bottom of your page. For instance:

References

(ugh, indent issues) 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:21, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Here's a quote from such drop down article. "Games for the Nintendo Switch can be obtained through either retail channels or digitally through the Nintendo eShop." Wikikoolr (talk) 17:09, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Ha ha lol yes the references is the type I'm referring to. Wikikoolr (talk) 17:12, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

That's the first line in the Games section of the article (Nintendo Switch#Games). It's not in a dropdown box on the desktop version of the site. Maybe the mobile software you're using puts sections of long articles into separate dropdown boxes? As far as I know, that's not something you can do Wikipedia-side, it's part of the mobile software. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:18, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Alright, sorry for the trouble, Just new here and needed help for my page. Wikikoolr (talk) 17:26, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

And maybe My Android go software is being weird? But on other phones on chrome it behaves the same so idk? Wikikoolr (talk) 17:28, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

No idea, @Wikikoolr, I don't even own a mobile phone (yes, there is one of us left in the world!). I do know that you can switch to the desktop version of the site when using a phone, and many editors actually prefer using desktop mode. Have you tried it? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:32, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

No how do I? Wikikoolr (talk) 00:17, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Anyways, Have a nice day. Wikikoolr (talk) 17:32, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes, The "References" section is not open on the Android app until you open it. On the Desktop version it's just there, so people who don't use the app will not realise it can open and close. ColinFine (talk) 20:51, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Spelling error

I've found a spelling error on the following page:

COVID-19#Face masks and respiratory hygiene

Unfortunately, I don't have extended confirmed, so I am unable to correct it.

Notice the absence of the letter "s"

IcyTheApple (talk) 16:58, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

@IcyTheApple: Thank you for spotting that, I have corrected the text for you. DuncanHill (talk) 17:06, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

@IcyTheApple: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1166. For the future, if there is a page you are unable to edit you can leave an edit request on an article's talk page to get the attention of someone who can. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:21, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

@IcyTheApple: You don't really need to upload screenshots for things such as this; you can simply use text to point out the error and explain what needs to be fixed. There's nothing wrong with uploading a screenshot per se, but you need to be a bit careful to make sure you do so in accordance with Wikipedia's licensing and provide proper attirbution. It better to use the license Template:Wikipedia-screenshot if uploading the file to Wikipedia or c:Template:Wikipedia-screenshot if uploading the file to Commons. It's a good idea to add information (including a link to the version of the page the screenshot comes from) about the source of the screenshot in the file's description, then simply stating it's your "own work". The screenshot is your "own work", but the content you screenshoted technically isn't and needs to be attributed in some way. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:54, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

My profile

I made a profile of an Australian u-17 player, Xavier Smith, as he was already on wiki but didn’t have a profile. I was wondering how long until the profile is accepted onto wiki? Wraggtastic (talk) 20:34, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Forever and a day. We don't accept "profiles"; we want encyclopaedia articles, and this one has zero sources we can use. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 20:40, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Xavier Smith - 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:41, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

You have not submitted it. If you do, it will be declined for lack of references. David notMD (talk) 02:22, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

When I look at Australia men's national under-17 soccer team, none of the u-17 players are article-worthy. David notMD (talk) 02:24, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Wraggtastic. You're going to need to establish that Smith is Wikipedia:Notable in order for a Wikipedia article about him to be created. Please take a look at Wikipedia:Notability (sports) (in particular the section Wikipedia:Notability (sports)#Basic criteria) for some more information. The notability guideline for professional and amateur athletes recently under went a major revison and simply being a member of a national team no longer seems to be sufficient for establishing Wikipedia notability. So, you're going to need to find at least one reference to a reliable secondary source that gives significant coverage to Smith in order for the draft you're working on to be considered even possible as an article. If you're not sure what constitutes "significant coverage in secondary reliable sources" for a soccer player like Smith, try asking for help at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football since that WikiProject's members should have a good feel for the type of sources generally considered OK for articles about soccer players. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:49, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Re: Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937 film)

Ciao editors! - For your information, I have included a suggested addition to Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937 film) on the article's Talk page since it is semi-protected. Would any editors care to assist in the discussion of the proposed addition of an External Media Box to the article or expedite the suggested addition to the article? I've summarized the proposed addition here for your convenience. The (3)Production - (3.3) Music and records paragraph might be amended to include an External Audio Box link to the historical soundtrack recording of Adriana Caselotti singing the song "Whistle While You Work" (as mentioned in the paragraph) from the 1937 film as archived at the University of California- Santa Barbara's Discography of American Historical Recordings page shown in the reference citation below. Also note that additional songs from the original film are also available at this archive site including: "With a Smile and a Song (song)"," "Someday My Prince Will Come" and the duet with Harry Stockwell - "I'm Wishing / One Song". Thanks for your consideration and enjoy the music! 160.72.81.86 (talk) 18:33, 5 October 2022 (UTC)GCL

We have such a thing as an "external audio box"? I am skeptical of that, because we cannot embed copyrighted content into Wikipedia articles. According to this government blog article, the earliest any music recording would be in the public domain will be 2047. We can upload fair-use 30-second snippets of a musical piece, however. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:12, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Well I stand corrected. We actually do have an external media template, as shown in the edit request on Talk:Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937 film). It doesn't embed media, it just lets you link out to another site. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:21, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

For reasons I cannot fathom, the IP user copied this entire section, including Anachronist's commments, to my User Talk page. Since 1) I have not involved myself in this item at all, and 2) this violated the licence by copying material without attributing it, and 3) this created the false appearance that Anachronist had posted on my user talk page when they had done no such thing, I have deleted the section from my Talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 04:26, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

article publish

Draft:Commander Agro Niaz.ahmad222 (talk) 12:53, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

@Niaz.ahmad222 Your draft has been declined because so far it just shows this company is WP:RUNOFTHEMILL, doing nothing worthy of note that set it apart from other similar companies. To meet the requirements for notability in the sense Wikipedia uses that word you will need much better sources and detail of reliable coverage (see links in the decline notice). Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:18, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

@Niaz.ahmad222 "In 2020, the company will launch..." 2020 is pretty far in the past now. David10244 (talk) 10:42, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

hello,

Please suggest me topics to create wikipedia pages. I want to be a wikipedia editor and page creator. Niaz.ahmad222 (talk) 14:57, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@Niaz.ahmad222, maybe you'll find something in our Requested Articles pages - the list of topics starts here. Just pick a topic you're interested in, read through the list of requests to find one that looks good, and start researching. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:10, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

• Niaz.ahmad222 You don't have to create a single article to be a good contributor. Wikipedia has over 6 million articles, a large number of which need work. You may find it helpful to edit existing articles to gain experience that you can use to create a new article. 331dot (talk) 15:18, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

  @Niaz.ahmad222 Or, edit and improve existing articles; that is valuable work even if you never create a new one. I'm not very interested in creating new articles but I edit existing ones. David10244 (talk) 06:44, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Articles or pages?

What does it mean when Teahouse users say "Wikipedia has articles, not pages"? What's the difference? סשס Grimmchild 09:18, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

In context, it's a reply to a question on this page or elsewhere like "I want to make a page about me/my company/youtuber X, how can I?"

"Article" means something inline with WP:N, WP:V, WP:NPOV, WP:BLP and what have you, while "page" just implies a text the questioner wants to wtite about themselves on WP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:28, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, @Grimmchild, and welcome to the Teahouse. Like what the previous editor said, it's usually in response to people on the Teahouse who use the term "page". These people often have a COI of some sort and/or just don't know the guidelines of Wikipedia. We also say this when people call BLPs "bios", which, in the age of the internet that we're on, somewhat implies informal tone and/or autobiographies.

Asparagusus (interaction) 12:54, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Or the dreaded "profile". Someone actually used that as an argument once - "References? But this isn't so much an article as a profile, do I really need those?" 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:38, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Technically, articles are realized as article pages which are a type of page. People want to "have a web page" or maybe something like a Facebook Pages page for themselves or their clients, so regulars here say "article" to emphasize that, as an encyclopedia, we host a particular class of content and style of writing. (C.f. if you were writing on medium.com, which has a different scope again, you might say that you are publishing an article or a story or an opinion piece, rather than "creating a page".) ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 19:25, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@Pelagic That's a great answer... "a particular class of content and style of writing". Yes, encyclopedia articles follow one way, and social media "profiles" or "pages" often follow another way. David10244 (talk) 06:50, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Problem getting biographical page approved

Hello, we are experiencing problems into getting the following page approved. Any help is utmost appreciated Draft:Alessandro Avataneo 151.32.236.230 (talk) 10:54, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Who is "we"? Wikipedia has articles, not pages. The reviewer left you an explanation of the difficulty at the top of your draft. 331dot (talk) 11:04, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

You write In 1998–2000 at the Scuola Holden of Turin he attended the Master in Storytelling and Performing Arts, where he studied with ...... This looks like an attempt to gain notability-by-inheritance (and incidentally is totally uncited). When I attended university there were loads of subsequently notable people in my class. Sadly, I wasn't one of them. Do you see the problem? Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:10, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Michael, but we don't think that is the case. The sentence was stating who were Avataneo's teacher, pure information, not notability-by-inheritance. In the same way, for example, this page about Harold Bloom: Bloom went to the Bronx High School of Science (where his grades were poor but his standardized-test scores were high), and subsequently received a B.A. degree in Classics from Cornell in 1951, where he was a student of English literary critic M. H. Abrams, etc...

The structure of the sentence was the same. Do you see the difference? what do you think? 151.32.236.230 (talk) 00:32, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Who is "we"? David10244 (talk) 06:52, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

You write His research thesis, Art and International Relations from Alexander the Great to Stanley Kubrick (2004), is a pioneering work on art as an effective democratization tool, peacebuilding, and integration on an international level. It's very rare for a research thesis to garner such high praise. Who so described it, and where? -- Hoary (talk) 11:45, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Mention of thesis removed, same for name-dropping of whom he studied with (does not matter if those were classmates or teachers, naming notable people does not make him more notable). David notMD (talk) 12:18, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Please, note that classmates are never mentioned, since that would be notability-by-inheritance. Only teachers are mentioned. Again, it's not a matter of notability, but legacy. Citing teachers and school of thought can be considered information, such as in the case reported above, about Harold Bloom? How can we write it down in a way that it is understandable? 151.32.236.230 (talk) 00:41, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. The thesis received a special mention by Turin University in 2005. The professors committee assigning the mention was constituted by international relations professor emeritus Luigi Bonanate, international relations professor Fabio Armao and Giuseppe Porro, professor of International Law. This information is on paper in the university archives, not online. How would you suggest to prove this? 151.32.236.230 (talk) 00:37, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

References do not have to be online, but do have to be published. Printed material in the university archives does not sound published to me. Neither who he was taught by nor an opinion on his thesis establish notability. The focus should be on improving the rest of the draft. David notMD (talk) 03:21, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much David 151.32.236.230 (talk) 09:39, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Seeking Help for Improvement on a Draft

Hi,

Can I get some input on this draft please? - Draft:Peter Chung (businessman)

I understand that the feedback until now states how the text sounds promotional and does not have relevant references.

I was wondering if someone can elaborate on the latter portion here? Most of the links mentioned are from authority sources ( some not from predominantly English speaking countries). Additionally, other than reducing the use of peacock terms, how can I make the draft sound more informational than promotional?

Any input is appreciated. Thank you! Lauvalgu (talk) 18:12, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Lauvalgu. Vast swathes of your draft are unreferenced which violates the core content policy Verifiability. Your prose is promotional and non-neutral. The Neutral point of view is also a core content policy. You have several inappropriate external links in the body of the draft. They do not belong there. The draft needs a total re-write. Cullen328 (talk) 18:23, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Lauvalgu, Cullen328 is right. You have been trying to write your draft backward. I would advise you to discard what you've written, and start again at the beginning, by finding some acceptable sources and basing a draft entirely on those. Maproom (talk) 20:36, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

I removed external links. Do not restore them again. David notMD (talk) 02:19, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

User:Lauvalgu = Do you have a conflict of interest? Robert McClenon (talk) 07:32, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Hurricane orlene page

Okay, this is the Dickonlandia meeting, Reply the reports only wiki page of Hurricane Orlene redirect. Dickonlandia (talk) 02:18, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

@Dickonlandia: I’m not sure I understand what the dickens you are saying. This is a help desk for Wikipedia editors. Do you have a question? TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 02:48, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Please show my talk page, and there is my message is Liz. Dickonlandia (talk) 03:29, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

If you want to reply to a comment made by another editor on your talk page, reply on your talk page. I have no idea why you have attempted to reply here. ColinFine (talk) 04:29, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

@Liz, @Timtempleton Hmmm. Does "this is the ... meeting" mean "this is the (or a) message"? I finally figured out that "Please show my talk page" must mean "Please see my talk page", where I see that you, Liz, had commented. So I did see, and I left a note there suggesting that a different language WP might be better. David10244 (talk) 08:47, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

How to remove the non existing references

I want to remove the reference links that are non existing, third party articles have removed the content from their website. But these links have been used as a reference in the Kellton article like:

1. https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/markets/stock-markets/kellton-tech-lists-shares-on-nse/article8304512.ece
2. https://technology.siliconindiamagazine.com/vendor/kellton-tech-solutions-bolstering-digital-transformation-of-enterprises-cid-2683.html
3. https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/companies/announcements/others/msehat-features-as-a-case-study-in-a-world-health-organization-who-report/article9441697.ece
4. https://www.vccircle.com/news/technology/2013/10/22/kellton-tech-solutions-acquire-us-based-supremesoft-global
5. https://www.thehindu.com/business/kellton-tech-acquires-bokanyi-consulting/article8158436.ece

These reference articles are non existing pages right now. How to remove these links and what will be the impact of removing these inks from source on the Wikipedia page. Please suggest. Aniket1508 (talk) 07:47, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Aniket1508, I don't fully understand what you're asking about. If you're asking about links that no longer point to pages, have you looked for archived copies of these pages via the Wayback Machine? -- Hoary (talk) 09:09, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Dead reference links should not be removed. Please see WP:DEADREF for policy details. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:32, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Improved Draft: Raffiey Nasir. What do you think?

Hi everyone! My article was declined recently for sounding promotional. It was my first Wikipedia article. I didn't have a grasp of the encyclopedic language yet. I believe I have fixed it now. What do you guys think? Draft:Raffiey Nasir ResearchedEditor100 (talk) 09:49, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

I think there are still too many WP:NAMEDROPS. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:57, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Ref #1 is a blog, so does not contribute to establishing notability. The other refs are not in English, but from the images, I am guessing those confirm he 'dressed' a woman for those events. There may not be enough content about him (not the dress or who wore it) to justify an article. David notMD (talk) 10:27, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi User:Shantavira and User:David notMD, thanks for your comments. It may appear "namedroppy" because that's sort of how the pop fashion industry works. For professors, their biography is about where they taught and what papers they got published, and in the fashion industry it's 'who wore your clothes'. And for the translation issue: the articles can be translated with a right click and click on "Translate to English" if you're using Google Chrome. Thanks again, ResearchedEditor100 (talk) 12:32, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Is it possible to make custom userboxes?

Can you make custom userboxes for your talk page that display text that you set? סשס Grimmchild 09:33, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

@Grimmchild, WP:CREATEUSERBOX may be of help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:43, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks סשס Grimmchild 10:38, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Book transliteration

When writing an article about a book in a foreign language that uses a non-Latin script, would it be unnecessary to put the original language next to the character name in the "characters" section? For example "Anastasiya (Russian: Анастасия)" (which I'm unsure about as the Russian and English rendering of the name are basically identical). The article is Draft:Danilov, the Violist

Jaguarnik (talk) 03:15, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

@Jaguarnik: It isn't necessary. Fortunately Cyrillic is a phonetic alphabet, so it is easy to translate it into common English syllables. You can include the Russian or not, but in this case it adds no value, in my opinion. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:35, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Anachronist, I don't know what you mean by "common English syllables", but the matter of transliterating or otherwise converting the names in Cyrillic into the Roman alphabet seems to be by the way, as an English translation has already appeared from Morrow and the draft doesn't suggest that the Roman versions are in any way problematic. Should Jaguarnik supplement the Roman versions with the Cyrillic originals? Certainly not if this would depend on any guesswork: if it's to be done, it should derive from the original text (or authoritative descriptions of this). But I can't imagine that any reader would benefit from the names in Cyrillic; and if, Jaguarnik, you can't either, then skip them as pointless clutter. (What would be useful is revisiting what appears as "little man [ru]" and currently takes the reader to a disambiguation page. Look at Template:Ill/doc#Displaying_different_text for a simple recipe.) -- Hoary (talk) 06:27, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

One more question: do book summaries need citations? I've checked plot summaries of several books (Mexican Gothic, Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone, Hard to be a God, etc), and none of them really have references in the plot summary, but I would like to be sure. Jaguarnik (talk) 07:47, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

@Jaguarnik, no, they do not - the source is assumed to be the book itself. Same with summaries of movies, TV show episodes, etc. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:14, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Legal name change and updating deadname

Hi there. I changed my legal name back in 2016, but there are some pages that still have my deadname on them (i was involved in international sports tournaments, so there are quite a few). How do i provide proof of my identity and name change to be able to amend these pages? and is there a way to do a 'select all' to find the relevant pages to change (other than just a name search)? Any help or advice welcome. DrPantydraco (talk) 00:27, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Email info-en[at]wikimedia.org with the relevant documentation. We cannot verify your identity on this page. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 00:43, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi DrPantydraco. I've asked about this at Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies and perhaps one of that WikiProject's members can help you sort things out. There is a way to do this type of thing since it has been done for other individuals in similar situations; however, it's best to be patient and make sure it's done properly. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:33, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Great, thanks! i'll have a look through and make sure it's done right. DrPantydraco (talk) 03:52, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi again DrPantrydraco. Try taking a look at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Gender identity and see if that's helpful. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:01, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Making a request for specific changes is the most likely way to get what you want.

Our process for identity verification is uncertain, but such as it is, check Wikipedia:Identity verification. You may not need to verify your identity in any formal way; it probably is sufficient to point to any public websites that describe the name change. If you have a social media account or similar which makes the connection, then that could work. Bluerasberry (talk) 14:25, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Sardunya

The article that I translated from another wikipedia was moved to draft by @AngusWOOF for not being suitable yet for wikipedia. I added more sources and re-formatted the article Draft:Sardunya and I don't think there is anything missing anymore really, but @Robert McLenon suggested I should ask here for help on how to fix it. Gazozlu (talk) 11:27, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

First off, it seems to contain a lot of puffery. Most of the sections are plot, production team, credits, etc. that do not establish notability. You also need to add other aspects of the film such as production, reviews, awards in more detail, etc. Sungodtemple (talk) 12:34, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Reworked the awards section. Gazozlu (talk) 13:59, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

[11] Would this be a good source as a review? Gazozlu (talk) 14:40, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Assist On Meta-Page

I would like someone to help or assist with the nav bars on the meta-page, where I want home, participate, office hour, articles & friendly space to have a #colour bar showing #1020E1, I don't want the colour to affect the header background. Thanks. Jwale2 (talk) 14:20, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

@Jwale2, the Teahouse primarily supports English Wikipedia. For questions about how to do things on Meta, this seems like the place to go. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:32, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you.Jwale2 (talk) 14:43, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Hey!

I need some help creating an article for a song that I deem should be here; admins can probably see it from the AfC logs. Any tips? Aknip (talk) 18:26, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Aknip, welcome to the Teahouse. I assume this is about Draft:XO (Eden song)? The first and most obvious problem is an entire lack of references to reliable, independent, published sources with significant coverage of the song, in order to demonstrate notability. Which critics have written about it? Where are the reviews? What did they say? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:32, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Well, I did type that up in a hurry, and again, I had planned on extending that. I would like some help with finding refrences to that aswell.

Aknip (talk) 20:08, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Aknip, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry, but like many inexperienced editors who try to create articles, you've gone about it backwards. In house-building terms, you've started building the house without doing any checks on whether the land is fit to build on. Writing an article begins with finding the references, because if you can't find them, you'll know that there is no point in spending any more time on the subject, because no article is possible. Please see WP:your first article. ColinFine (talk) 20:54, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@Aknip If you didn't find the references before writing the content, then the question is "where did all of that information come from?". Tell us how you know it's true. David10244 (talk) 06:58, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to put it in the draft but I got that information from the Eden (musician) page. Aknip (talk) 12:24, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

@Aknip, if the information is cited to a source in the article you got it from, you should use that source in your own article. If it's not cited, and you can't find a source for it, probably better to just not use it. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:44, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Ok.

Aknip (talk) 14:45, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Abuse of "See also" section?

I found what seemed like an abuse of the "See also" section by Leontrooper, but my reversion was reverted here which is contrary to BRD, so technically edit warring. What's the right procedure here? I have never seen a See also section used in this manner. If practiced widely, this would make See also sections difficult to navigate and good links would get buried. It would be better to just add links in the text. The links to all the "List of" articles is especially egregious. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 15:36, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

I think "abuse" and "edit warring" are strong terms which are not warranted at all.

• There is no 24-hour revert ban as on some other pages. And one counter-revert is not an "edit war".
• You have taken no steps to put the links in the text, which also is difficult with lists. There were no "good links" as the only two existing were not suitable. If the list articles are encyclopedic enough to exist, they are relevant enough to be linked to on the pages of the articles listed. Leontrooper (talk) 15:42, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

P.S. I very much doubt this is the right forum for this. Leontrooper (talk) 15:43, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

What's a better one? -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 15:51, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

How about the article's talk page? Leontrooper (talk) 15:52, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Not good enough, because this has very wide implications. This practice could ruin many See also sections. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 15:54, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

BTW, can you show me another biography where this has been done? I've been here since 2003 and have never seen it done to a See also section. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 15:54, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes, the edits were ridiculous, & breached MOS:ALSO. I've reverted again. Johnbod (talk) 15:59, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

I agree with Johnbod. An utterly excessive list of lists is way out of line and of zero value. Also, adding List of fictional turtles is a grotesque violation of Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons, a policy that is enforced rigorously. Leontrooper, never do anything like that again. Cullen328 (talk) 16:14, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Is gamerant a reliable website?

currently working on a draft about the wwe 2k creation community and i wanna know, is gamerant a reliable website? SMBMovieFan (talk) 15:44, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @SMBMovieFan, welcome to the Teahouse. See the discussion here. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:24, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! SMBMovieFan (talk) 16:29, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

how to edit an articles title

hi I recently editted an article and corrected some mistakes but I couldnt change the title of the article in which there is a translation mistake.the article is in persian language. I appreciate any help. حسین عیوضی (talk) 10:18, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

@حسین عیوضی: Hi, you can't edit an article's title, but you can move an article to another, more appropriate title (or request someone to move it). --CiaPan (talk) 10:23, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

@حسین عیوضی, You can request for renaming an article by following the steps at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Kpddg ^(talk) 10:23, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, حسین عیوضی. Are you talking about the Farsi article fa:نیش (فیلم ۱۹۷۳)? That seems to be the only article you have edited on any Wikipedia. If it is that article, you need to ask on the Farsi Wikipedia - try fa:ویکی‌پدیا:درخواست راهنمایی. CiaPan's reply is about how the software works, and so will apply to another Wikipedia, but Kpddg's is about English Wikipedia's processes, and these may be different on Farsi Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 17:26, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Please fix the article

There is something wrong with Ivan Kalyuzhnyi's infobox. Can somebody please fix it 2409:4073:4E94:D979:580F:9FF:FEA3:5BCA (talk) 17:22, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

It has been fixed by an alert and helpful fellow editor. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:26, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Correcting typo on page name / title

On the page Galit Gutmann - Wikipedia there is a typo. Surname should be Gutman and not Gutmann. Is there any way to correct this? Danielfuture10 (talk) 14:41, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Danielfuture10 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You may request a page move at Requested Moves. 331dot (talk) 14:44, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

I just tried to move it even though Gutman was already a redirect but it worked. Gazozlu (talk) 14:48, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

@Gazozlu You also need to tidy up the text of the article, which uses both spellings. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:54, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Oh I didn't realise that. Thanks. Gazozlu (talk) 18:11, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia save unpublished work anywhere?

Not sure if this is the right place but here goes: I was doing a bold overhaul of Transgender Trend and spent most of my morning reformatting and adding sources and details. Just when I was almost done my computer froze, and took my browser's memory with it (normally the contents would still be there on a reboot). I know this is a long shot and I'm most likely just going to have to redo everything tomorrow, but does wikipedia save or cache unpublished edits anywhere? Ie is there a way to get them back? Or even locally find a copy (on Firefox)? Any help would be greatly appreciated. TheTranarchist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 17:47, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @TheTranarchist, welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia can't store anything that hasn't been submitted to its servers. You can try asking the folks at the computing reference desk about locating cache files for your browser on your computer - maybe it's possible. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:53, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

If you used the visual editor to do the edit, it might be technically possible to restore part of the changes by reentering visual editing mode (which uses a more sticky version to save stuff), but otherwise its pretty much lost forever (restoring form data in case of unexpected shutdowns is generally something that only works in firefox if the tab hasn't been closed, or unloaded due to memory pressure) 18:07, 7 October 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Victor Schmidt (talk • contribs) 18:08, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! That's what I guessed, sadly the memory partition containing my Firefox cache had to be deleted to restore my computer since it was corrupted (the universe's way of telling me I really do have too many tabs open). I tried re-entering visual editing mode since that normally works but it gave me the original version of the page. Guess I'll just rewrite tomorrow. TheTranarchist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 18:20, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Ouch. This probably goes without saying, but occasionally copy/pasting to an open file in a text editor, and saving that, is a good way to have some basic form of "external" backup. Plus there's the option of working in your sandbox. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:28, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Notability question

Hi! I'd like to write an article about the American composer Zachary Wadsworth. Does the fact that he has a page already on Dutch Wikipedia automatically imply that he is notable enough to have an article on English Wikipedia? As far as coverage in secondary sources, there's this academic article, as well as his Williams College faculty page and several mentions in news media. Ladmeyer (talk) 17:57, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Each language edition of Wikipedia is a separate project with seperate rules. That an article exists in the dutch Wikipedia does not mean one can exist here too. 18:01, 7 October 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Victor Schmidt (talk • contribs) 18:01, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Having an article on another language edition does not automatically confer notability on the English Wikipedia, as different editions operate independently and may have different policies. As for significant coverage, that dissertation does seem plainly non-trivial, however the university's website is not independent of Wadsworth and so doesn't contribute to notability. If the mentions in news media are simply trivial mentions, those wouldn't be much use; if they include significant coverage of the subject, they do show notability. Wikipedia:One hundred words is an essay on significant coverage which might be useful. Madeline (part of me) 18:11, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! This helps. Ladmeyer (talk) 18:58, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

creating an article

i need help creating an article i dont know what to do an article on and i need some suggestions Loganhurndon (talk) 16:15, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

@Loganhurndon: Welcome to Wikipedia, and thanks for wanting to expand it. Creating a new article is not an easy task, it is usually better to get some experience editing existing articles first. If you want to proceed, then check out WP:YFA on what is needed and then create a draft for review. For ideas, check out WP:RA where there is a big list of articles that others have requested. RudolfRed (talk) 16:18, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

thank you Loganhurndon (talk) 16:19, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

There are more than six million existing articles in English Wikipedia. Consider improving some of those instead of, for now, attempting to create a new article. Your first effort was Speedy deleted and your second declined for lack of references (the company's own website cannot be used to confirm notability). David notMD (talk) 18:56, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

well my second one is because there is not much known of the company because it is an african based company Loganhurndon (talk) 19:10, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Can someone be so kind to provide a re-review of a biography? It was declined for copyright issues and I am just stuck

I did significant rewriting and am a former employee of this individual. Although I relocated and left my position, I agreed to finish this project up but need help to get it to pass through. I have a few specific questions on how to rephrase things when I know that he is very sensitive about how things are said. The best example of this is in the line about his family. He and his wife lost a young daughter to cancer, so he wants to list his family very carefully and "lives in Austin, Texas with his three children." (He and his wife had four children, but one is no longer living so he is very specific on this line). talk). 19:00, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Here is the draft

Draft:Harrison Keller

Draft:Harrison Keller — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karen Ann Simsen (talk • contribs) 19:05, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Please remember that the article subject does not get to dictate how the article is worded. See WP:OWN RudolfRed (talk) 19:18, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Karen Ann Simsen, welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for declaring your COI properly. You're probably aware that what an article subject wants is usually not very important; it's important to you, of course, because of your connection, which is one thing that makes writing articles with a COI very difficult. All that said: what is this fact being sourced to? It seems to be his own website. In that case, it's best to leave out almost all details about third parties (such as his wife's name), and otherwise stick to the bare facts of what is said in the source, per WP:SELFPUB. If it says he is married with three children on the site, it's fine to include that and only that. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:22, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

ok, I thought that the copyright issue that was flagged was because I did not rephrase it from his own web site. Does that make sense? talk). 20:13, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

@Karen Ann Simsen, you still need to write everything in your own words (except for short quotations, which should be used sparingly - only when necessary). You should summarize the relevant information on the site, and in your other sources. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:18, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Also, when you do quote, as you do with "For generations, most of my people were farmers...", the quote needs to be introduced in Wikipedia's words. I would also suggest that you should only include a quote such as this where it's been noted in a secondary source, rather than just citing the speech itself - otherwise, you're having to make your own judgment about what's important about the speech. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:22, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Third Party Writer

Is it possible for a third party writer whom I will find, and she/he creates a new account and sends you the submission? Or she /he sends the submission from this account as a continuation? For I think someone else working on this may be better. Please let me know. Thank you. Sincerely, Sachiyo Ito JoyIto405 (talk) 20:07, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @JoyIto405, welcome to the Teahouse. Do not give your account to anyone else - that is not allowed. They must create their own account and declare per WP:PAID if they are being paid for their contributions, or, if they are not being compensated, declare a WP:COI. Tell them to read Help:Your first article, WP:Notability and WP:Reliable sources very carefully. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:12, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

if you do have a compromised or shared account this does break the rules of Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry and Wikipedia:Compromised accounts please let us know if you need anymore help Td^she/her 20:14, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

@JoyIto405 I assume you are referring to Draft:Sachiyo Ito, which from what you have written appears to be an autobiography. Drafting such articles is not forbidden but is strongly discouraged for the reasons mentioned at that link. If you now decide you don't want to continue with trying to get the Draft accepted, you can just remove the tag you recently added that sent it for another review. It will then stay within the Wikipedia system for at least six months during which time it can be improved by anyone before it is resubmitted for review. In the meantime you could find a third party to work on the draft: preferably someone familiar with our policies and guidelines and competent in writing biographies. Such a person must declare their conflict of interest and/or paid status if relevant. Beware of being scammed by people who claim they know what they are doing but may in reality just take your money. If you are indeed a notable choreographer you should not need to pay anyone to finish the draft to acceptable standards. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:58, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Why is the article made, not showing on the google search?

I have made an article and published it... the article is as per requirements of the wikipedia and meets all of the pre-requisites. However, in google search the article doesn't show up even after the article being published 2 months back. Please help BigGenie (talk) 09:10, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

BigGenie Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Are you referring to Manu Kumar Srivastava? Another account created it, are you the operator of that account as well? It takes time for Google to index articles, which only happens once the article is formally patrolled(which this article seems to be). Edits to the article were removed- perhaps that's what you mean? Do you have a particular interest in the article appearing in search results? 331dot (talk) 09:16, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

I am following this page and even editing it.. I was not the creator. Oh so the page needs to patrolled before it crawls on google BigGenie (talk) 09:21, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Expanding on 331dot's answer, new pages in articlespace are indexed by search engines when a new pages patroller reviews it or 90 days have passed, whichever comes first. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 09:23, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

BigGenie I was just going by what you said, "I have made an article and published it". But that's okay. 331dot (talk) 09:27, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

That article has not been patrolled, is still listed at WP:NPP, & is WP:NOINDEXed. David Biddulph (talk) 10:03, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

BigGenie, please do not restore unsourced content to Manu Kumar Srivastava without providing references to reliable sources. Please do not remove maintenance templates added by other editors without addressing their concerns or explaining your actions on the article's talk page. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:37, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

I have already replied to the concerns Sir. BigGenie (talk) 07:42, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

User:BigGenie - Do you have a conflict of interest? Robert McClenon (talk) 15:04, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

User:BigGenie - Why are you interested in whether the article is indexed by Google? Robert McClenon (talk) 15:08, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

The OP has now been blocked for sockpuppetry. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:02, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Talk page and user page organization

What are some best practices for maintaining order on one's own user page (and much more so the talk page)? I get other editors commenting on my TP and they tend to just throw the comment anywhere they see fit, instead of on the bottom, which would be the logical place to put it.

Just looking for some ideas on how best to organize the page and see what some other senior editors do. :) — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 22:42, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

@Oopsemoops, many users choose to use this template at the top of their talk. You may find it useful?

Other talk page templates can be found here. Tomorrow and tomorrow (talk) 23:06, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Replacing redirect page with new page

I've made a draft for The Sea Nymphs (album) at User:Miklogfeather/Sea Nymphs but since that page is currently a redirect I cannot make it. WP:NOTRM says not to use requested moves for drafts, and I'd rather not go through the Articles for Creation process again since it takes a long time. I'd appreciate if someone clarified what to do in this situation :) Miklogfeather (talk) 23:02, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

@Miklogfeather: According to WP:RFD, you can make a request at Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Technical_requests RudolfRed (talk) 23:08, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, I will make a request there. Miklogfeather (talk) 23:15, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Sorry but I'm still not sure which category I should file it under. Is this an uncontroversial technical request? Miklogfeather (talk) 23:22, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

@Miklogfeather: Don't worry about it. I did it for you already. I consider this uncontroversial. Normally you could tag the redirect page with {{db-g6}} to have it deleted before moving, but I can do both in one move. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:29, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Many thanks, Axl! Miklogfeather (talk) 23:31, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

How can I adjust a page title?

The page Alice DiMicele needs to have a space between the lowercase "i" and the capitol "M" in her name. This is based on her official website https://www.alicedimicele.com/

I know that it will also require changing the page URL to include an underscore but I don't know how to do the necessary edits. Please teach me how to make this change. I already edited her name wherever it appears on the page. Thank you in advance. AgLupo (talk) 17:59, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @AgLupo, welcome to the Teahouse. This is a move - it can be requested here or, in most cases, autoconfirmed users can do it themselves (see WP:MOVE for instructions). Article titles should be based on what is used in reliable sources; unfortunately, that article has exactly zero sources listed, just two external links at the end to sites affiliated with the subject. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:09, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

That's a speedy-deletion candidate if I ever saw one. Zero independent sources, zero assertions of significance aside from some name-dropping, zero evidence of meeting any of the inclusion criteria in WP:MUSICBIO. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:38, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Deleted Page

Wahy my page is deleted? Muammer Ardy (talk) 01:29, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Muammer Ardy. Your user page was deleted because it was an unreferenced promotional fake Wikipedia article. User pages are to describe your plans and accomplishments as a Wikipedia editor. Also, it was written in the Indonesian language, and this is the English language Wikipedia. All content here must be in English. Perhaps you might want to contribute to the Indonesian Wikipedia instead. Cullen328 (talk) 01:51, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Submitting an Article for Review

How do I submit an article for review? Cjmodica (talk) 21:37, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Cjmodica, welcome to the Teahouse. You seem to have created three different versions of an article - one on your user page, one in your sandbox, and one in draft space. Which do you want to submit for review? Also, one of those versions says Written by Joyce Ratcliff Byars, Tommy’s widow, 2022, which raises the question of a conflict of interest (WP:COI). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:44, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Lord help me! I don't know what I am doing. I believe it is the one on the draft page, I think the latest with all the sources added. Cjmodica (talk) 21:56, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cjmodica, I also note that you've uploaded this photo from 1952 and tagged it as "own work". Are you the photographer? I see a ticket has been submitted via VRT, so permission from the copyright holder has been verified, but the question of a COI comes up again.199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:52, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

No, I went back forth with that and finally got it approved on Wikimedia. I was trying to upload it to Wikipedia. The photo was given to me by the owner to post on Wikipedia. She is the heir to the person in the photo and the photo was taken by his father in 1952 and has been deceased since 1952. The person in the photo was his heir. Cjmodica (talk) 22:01, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cjmodica, I would highly recommend reading WP:COI, because it sounds like you're in direct contact with the family of this person, and the conflict of interest guidelines may apply. Your latest edits have been to your user page, User:Cjmodica. Is that what you want to submit for review? Or Draft:Tommy Byars, Professional AMA Racer? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:04, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes, User:Cjmodica is what I need to submit for review. Cjmodica (talk) 22:07, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cjmodica, the following needs to be copy/pasted at the top of your user page: {{subst:AfC draft|username}}. A button will then appear allowing you to submit it for approval. At the moment, the sourcing needs a lot of improvement. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:14, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

I've done that for them. 331dot (talk) 22:17, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you - would've done it myself, but that is Not Allowed for IPs. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:18, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@331dot, you added it to the draft, not their user page, which is what they actually want to submit. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:21, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

I don't know the difference between user page, sandbox and draft pages. Please help. Cjmodica (talk) 22:06, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Cjmodica I will try to explain. Your user page is User:Cjmodica, and it is a place for you to tell the Wikipedia community about yourself as a Wikipedia editor or user. It isn't a place to draft an article. Your sandbox, User:Cjmodica/sandbox is a place to experiment with editing or practice writing. Draft space, where Draft:Tommy Byars, Professional AMA Racer is, is a designated area for any user to draft an article and submit it for a review(via Articles for Creation). 331dot (talk) 22:15, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

OMG; thank you. Now how do I move the article on my user page to my draft page and how do I delete the article on my user page? Cjmodica (talk) 22:18, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Cjmodica You've already removed the content from your user page. If that's the content you want to submit, simply put that content on the Draft page in place of what is there currently(except for the {{AfC submission|t||ts=20221004221545|u=331dot|ns=118|demo=}} at the top which should remain). With regards to your user page(User:Cjmodica), while it is a place for you to tell about yourself, it's not required that you have something there- many users never put anything there. Just FYI. 331dot (talk) 22:25, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cjmodica, I've just done the above for you. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:26, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much. Now that I have the article in my draft page, how do I submit it for review? Cjmodica (talk) 22:44, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cjmodica, just go to Draft:Tommy Byars, Professional AMA Racer and press the blue "Submit for review" button in the grey box at the top. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:52, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you; it's done. YAY Cjmodica (talk) 23:04, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much. Cjmodica (talk) 22:43, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cjmodica: Please fill in as much information as you can in the infobox I put in the draft. Also, try to make it easier to verify the citations. If any of them are available online, please provide links. Although you submitted it for review, it far from being in a state of readiness for publication on Wikipedia. There's a large backlog, so please continue improving it while you wait. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:07, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the information. I didn't know I could make corrections once submitted. I will explore and try to learn more about Wikipedia. I was becoming frustrated but the Talk page has really helped me. The newspapers that I referenced can be found online at GenealogyBank.com, so I will go back and modify my references to reflect https://www.genealogybank.com/ online. I am excited to learn more about submitting articles. Again, thank you so much. Cjmodica (talk) 23:41, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Cjmodica I’m going to give you some homework, and I hope it will help you. If you haven’t already done so, please read Help:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners.

I know nothing about motorcycle racing, but I glanced at a couple dozen articles about racers, and found four that I thought might be good for a beginner to study. (They seem to be pretty basic, and there are no tags stating there are problems with them.) You may want to read Doug Danger, Don Castro, Wes Cooley (motorcyclist), and Dudley Perkins (motorcyclist). They could guide you on how to make changes to your article draft, and what type of references you can look for. Best wishes on improving your article. Karenthewriter (talk) 00:20, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

For what it's worth, Karenthewriter, I am the primary author of Dudley Perkins (motorcyclist). I wrote that article ten years ago, and I thank you for mentioning it. Cullen328 (talk) 02:25, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

I have read your article on Dudley Perkins and it was a wonderful tribute to Dudley. That is what I am trying to do for Tommy Byars. I love your format. Do you mind if I follow your outline layout? Cjmodica (talk) 03:08, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Cjmodica - well done on your perseverance in getting this far. I would like to note that "a tribute" is emphatically not the purpose of a Wikipedia article. An article should be a neutral summary of what the sources say. This will very often come out favorably towards the subject, but it is important not to hold that as a purpose, but to make sure that if there is adverse material in reliable sources it is not omitted. (That is one reason why editing with a COI is difficult).

As for copying the format of another article: absolutely (as long as you're confident that it is a good model to copy: we have many very poor articles). That's how we try for consistency. ColinFine (talk) 09:21, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much. I will certainly not use tribute in my article even though it is a tribute to remembering him and preserving his history as a recognized nationally famous racer. Thanks again. Cjmodica (talk) 15:32, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Question: In providing links, should I provide a direct link to the article or the link to the website where it can be found? ie: https://www.genealogybank.com/ or https://www.genealogybank.com/doc/newspapers/image/v2%3A1432DBB4AA9B7B12%40GB3NEWS-17293A0BA59583ED%402434138-172930D0D465044B%4010-172930D0D465044B%40?h=4&fname=Tommy&lname=byars&fullname=&kwinc=%20&kwexc=&x=&y=&campaign=&exit=/onboarding/7d-conversation-v1&CCPRODCODE=&s_trackval=&s_referrer=&s_siteloc=&kbid=69919&effort=fc&v=&rgfromDate=1952&rgtoDate=1952&formDate=&formDateFlex=exact&dateType=range&processingtime=&addedFrom=&addedTo=&sid=acykuvznzqseedbdduibfgyvqfbtfqgm_wma-gateway005_1664937440056 Cjmodica (talk) 02:40, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Please see WP:referencing for beginners: if you're providing a link, make it as specific as possible, so that it takes the reader straight to the right article. But the link is usually a convenience for the reader, not a crucial part of the citation. It's the author, title, date, publisher that are the important bits. ColinFine (talk) 09:28, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Cjmodica (talk) 15:33, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

So, what you are saying is that if I reference the website, newspaper, specific date and page number, that is sufficient enough rather than taking it to the specific page link? Cjmodica (talk) 15:37, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cjmodica, the name of the newspaper, article title, author, and date are the truly important things; a link to the article on a website is helpful as well. Please take a look at Template:Cite news#Usage - the parameters are all listed, they just need to be filled out. Then you put the completed template between ref tags. See Help:Referencing for beginners. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:12, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

How do I add an author if there isn't on named? Also, how do I add an author? I have one article that names the author, but not sure the proper way to list it in the references. Cjmodica (talk) 01:52, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Tommy Byars

Could someone please let me know if my draft for Tommy Byars, https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Tommy_Byars#cite_note-4 is ready to submit? I am slowing learning but still not sure about Wikipedia procedures. Cjmodica (talk) 23:34, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Cjmodica. References 6, 7, 8 and 9 lack article titles. None of your references have author names. Cullen328 (talk) 23:55, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I will try to work on that. Cjmodica (talk) 00:07, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cjmodica: Also, your references are not easily verifiable. I noticed you made a clip for one at newspapers.com, and I added the link to that clip, but then you removed that citation, which was the only verifiable citation in the entire article (even though the newspaper didn't publish the author's name). If you have newspaper.com clips of other articles available to you, please include them.

You can submit it any time, and continue improving it while waiting for a reviewer to get to it. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:26, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

OMG, I am so sorry for deleting it. I didn't know it was something you changed. I saw the red notations and tried to fix where there was any errors. Now I don't know what article you fixed. This is so frustrating. Cjmodica (talk) 02:30, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cjmodica: If you click on the "View history" tab of Draft:Tommy Byars you will see all the contributions. If you click on the word "prev" next to each edit, you'll see what changed. In this case, the diff of me adding that citation back in is here: https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Draft:Tommy_Byars&diff=1114747545&oldid=1114744910 ~Anachronist (talk) 02:34, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Author Reference

How does one document in source information when there is no author? HELP! Cjmodica (talk) 01:41, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Cjmodica. If no author is listed in the original source, then leave the author field blank. If an author is listed, provide that information. Cullen328 (talk) 01:54, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Can you direct me to the template for authors? I am not sure the proper labeling for author. Cjmodica (talk) 01:56, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Cjmodica. I don't know of a template for authors. Most of the citation templates (such as {{cite book}}, {{cite web}} etc) have parameters for multiple authors. Follow those links to see the documentation for the citation templates. ColinFine (talk) 02:03, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

In this case, {{cite news}} is the most appropriate template. Use of citation templates is optional, but they help ensure that all of the relevant information is displayed in a consistent fashion. Cullen328 (talk) 02:18, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks again. Cjmodica (talk) 02:54, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Magikoopa notability

I was working on a draft for a Magikoopa article, but it has been declined due to a lack of significant enough coverage. This does not hurt my feelings at all, and actually I am inclined to agree with the reasoning. I don't think it was declined due to any fault of my own (not to say that the article is perfect and couldn't be improved at all) but I'm beginning to think that there may indeed just not be enough coverage about it for the article to be considered notable. That being said, I didn't want to just throw my hands up in the air and give up, so I thought I'd ask y'all if you felt there might be anything that I missed that may indicate that the article actually could be notable. Otherwise, I'm happy to accept that the article is just not currently notable enough to exist at this time. (Although, with Kamek the Magikoopa playing a role in the Mario movie, significant coverage could be coming soon in the future, in which case I may revisit the article)

TL;DR - I think a Magikoopa article might not be notable at this time, but I'd love to know whether y'all think the article stands a chance and if I should keep working on it. Landfish7 (talk) 05:28, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

@Landfish7: There are no deadlines here. If you don't touch the draft, it will last six months and then get deleted, but you can have it restored by request, no nothing is actually lost. No hurry. If not notable now, history might change that. If you find some good sources, add them in, and remove sources that don't really add value. I think it's well written and comprehensive. If not notable enough for a standalone article, perhaps it might be best to merge some of the most important content into a parent article. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:06, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Bibiliography

Why does the Bibiliography sometimes contain books that aren't used in citations? eg. Rosalie Edge, Afrofuturism — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 00:15, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

@Vortex3427: Perhaps they did once, and the citations got removed as the article evolved, but the biblography remained. Or an editor added a book to the Bibliography with an intent to cite it but then didn't get around to doing so. If the article content is reasonably stable and books are still useful to list, they can be moved out of the references and into a "Further reading" section. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:30, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Some people use a "Bibliography" section as a place to put "general references", meaning, more or less, that they read up on these books to get a general picture of the topic they are writing about, but perhaps didn't use those books to source specific sentences in the article, which would've required a citation. But that's not what's going on here.

Your two examples are different. The first one, Rosalie Edge, uses "short footnotes" (see Help:Short footnotes) like "Taylor 1948, p. 45". If you click the "Taylor 1948" part of the link in the References section on that page, it jumps down to the full citation for the book, which happens to be in a section entitled "Bibliography". (This is actually a problematic title; see MOS:BIB for an explanation.) When I use short footnotes, I place the full citations in a section entitled "Works cited", so there is no confusion. Your second example, Afrofuturism, is not like that. It uses 106 unique citations, and these are full citations, so they don't need a separate "Works cited" section. On the other hand, the Afrofuturism article also has a "Bibliography" section, but these are either general references, or more likely just additional books that really should just be moved to the "Further reading" section, which currently has only one entry.

So, if I were you, I'd change the name of the "Bibliography" section in Rosalie Edge to "Works cited", and I'd move all of the items under "Bibliography" in Afrofuturism to the "Further reading" section, and then remove the "Bibliography" section header. I hope this helps! Mathglot (talk) 06:24, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

@Mathglot: Thanks, I'll change the header for the Afrofuturism article. On the other hand, many of the works cited in the bibiliography in Rosalie Edge aren't used in the footnotes (eg Fox, Barrow, Brett, Broun, Lien) but some are, which was the thing that left me confused and led me to ask this question in the first place. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 06:33, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

@Vortex3427:, ah, good catch! I didn't go into it in as much detail as you did, and you seem to have figured it out, now. Do you need additional guidance? If you've found some in Rosalie that *aren't* used in the footnotes, use your best judgment: what do you think they are? Maybe they used to be used for the short footnotes once upon a time, but no longer? Or maybe they were just in a hurry, and didn't bother to separate them well. Whatever the case, I think you've got the hang of it, so use your best judgment, and sort it out in a way that you think makes it as clear as possible for the next person who looks at it, and maybe they'll pick it up and take it the next step. Good luck! Mathglot (talk) 06:55, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Significant Coverage Confusion - Please help?

Hi, hoping someone can help shed light on why our submission got denied. DCP has had significant coverage in outlets such as Indiewire, Rolling Stone, Variety and even the Washington Post. Not sure I understand what other kind of coverage is required to get accepted. Can anyone help please?

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/User_talk:Purpleicecream27!#Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation%3A_Decentralized_Pictures_Foundation_%28September_12%29 Purpleicecream27! (talk) 22:38, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Decentralized Pictures Foundation - 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:52, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Well, what did each of those say about it? ¶ Incidentally, here's a sample from the draft: Decentralized Pictures has partnered with renowned filmmaker Steven Soderbergh and The Gotham Film & Media Institute to offer unique financing awards and opportunities to emerging filmmakers with many more to come. (i) Why say that Soderbergh is renowned? (If he really is renowned, wouldn't readers know this?) (ii) Just how are they unique? (iii) Thanks to "with many more to come", this sentence seems to describe the future. How is it that you can predict the future? ¶ Forgive me if I seem (or am) rude, but the draft reads to me like mere PR puffery. -- Hoary (talk) 23:25, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Purpleicecream27!. The first sentence of the draft informs the reader that American Zoetrope was founded in 1969 but nowhere in the first paragraph is it stated what year Decentralized Pictures Foundation was founded. That seem strange. You mention George Lucas but he has not been affiliated with American Zoetrope for over 50 years. That comes off as irrelevant namedropping. Cullen328 (talk) 23:46, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

@Purpleicecream27! I think there's a WP policy advising against including "mission statements" since they don't usually add much to an article, and they always smack of puffery. As for "Filmmakers must submit their projects using the app's native token, FILMCredits", do we need to know this if we are not submitting? David10244 (talk) 08:11, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

@David10244: I found WP:MISSION, which is an essay and not a policy. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:30, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

@Tenryuu Noted, thanks. David10244 (talk) 07:22, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

I wrote kind of a stupid game description for a game I made. It was declined and I just need someone to look over it and tell me what I screwed up on.

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/User:ImeF_Pig/sandbox Yeah lol. Thanks. ImeF Pig (talk) 19:16, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

@ImeF Pig The main issue was pointed out when the draft was declined: This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. To reiterate, you did not include any references that were independent of the subject, coming from reliable sources. Does that make sense? Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 19:21, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia has a strong stance against people writing articles about things they created as it is very difficult to take a WP:NPOV on your own work. Beyond that you haven't provided any citations from reliable, secondary sources (i.e a news website) to back up any of the claims made in the article. You provide apparant quotes from reviews such as one that claims that "the attacks have been reviewed as "Tortuous and imposing."" but you haven't actually proven than anyone actually said this. You cannot make baseless claims with no evidence. Finally the format of the article is extremely non-standard, take a look at articles for other indie-games (Or other articles in general) to get a feel of how an article should look. I think your main concern at the moment should be to try get the word out about your game by other means than Wikipedia, and then hopefully in due time someone else will write the page for you if it becomes popular enough! FishandChipper 🐟🍟 20:45, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

@ImeF Pig This is pretty obviously something you made up one day, complete with fake quotes and fake (silly) revenue numbers. WP is not the place for this kind of material; that's what you "screwed up on", to answer your question... See WP:ONEDAY. Hope this helps. David10244 (talk) 08:01, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Re:Can a Admin Review my drafts references

Previous discussion : WP:TEA#Is my draft References Okay?

Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1167#Is my draft References Okay? Archived.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 23:43, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

I added secondary sources and primary sources to my article. Wikikoolr (talk) 19:39, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Wikikoolr. Admins on Wikipedia deal with behavior issues; when it comes to content issues, we are all more or less equal, though some editors are more experienced than others. Your references show that such errors exist, but that is not what we're looking for. Every piece of equipment has problems. You need to show that these errors are so important that journalists have started dedicating whole articles just to talking about them - not about the Switch as a whole, but its technical problems. So far, you haven't linked to any such articles, or anything like them. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:54, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

And @Wikikoolr For the draft Draft:Nintendo_Switch_Errors, I mentioned to you before that all computer systems will fail if hardware is missing. We don't need an encyclopedia article to tell us that. And Draft:Hardlock is just a dictionary definition. These are not quite complete enough for full articles. David10244 (talk) 08:09, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Deletion Policy

How does Each Deletion process work? Should we first alert the user in the talk page before proceeding any delete ? ThomasAnthony23 (talk) 04:11, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Depends on what route you go, though it's considered proper to inform the editor in some way that you're considering deleting their article. There are three main options, from most challengable to least:

• Proposed deletion ("prod") has the article deleted a week after it's tagged. A proposed deletion may be challenged by anyone at any time (even post-deletion) by removing the deletion tag or requesting restoration at WP:REFUND;
• Speedy deletion has the page summarily deleted, provided it fits into a specific criterion from a narrow list (for example, copyright violations or no credible claim of notability). Some speedy deletion criteria can be challenged and restored at WP:REFUND, others can't;
• Deletion debates are week-long debates amongst the community as to whether an article should be kept or deleted, with a neutral, uninvolved administrator judging a consensus and making a decision after that week. Deletion debates are the hardest to overturn - they can't be challenged at WP:REFUND barring lack of participation (in which case it's a glorifed proposed deletion) and the only real avenue to challenge it is to argue that the consensus was decided wrong at either the closing administrator's talk page or at deletion review.

Does this help? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 04:23, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

That helps me a lot . But I am requiring more clarification on Nomination Deletion . How that works ?

Also you have mentioned WP:REFUND ( Where to add the tag and how do I which short cut tags to be use ?) ThomasAnthony23 (talk) 04:26, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

@ThomasAnthony23: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion goes into detail about how to nominate an article for deletion. To request undeletion, the page WP:REFUND describes exactly what to do. This is to request undeletion of pages that were deleted uncontroversially, that is, as a result of an expired WP:PROD, of being an abandoned draft, deleted by user request, or as a result of general maintenance. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:10, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion also lists open and recently completed AfDs, so you can see plenty of examples. David notMD (talk) 08:26, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Help: Verifying's someone's notability on Wikipedia.

Hello Wikipedians, can you verify if the Jaiden Animations article here now meets wikipedia's notability criteria? I've been checking the deletion logs on it for a while and it's been deleted a few times due to notability issues. I'm also a wiki beginner and I can't verify it by myself. Paowee (talk) 04:55, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

It seems like there are a lot of citations that exist simply for providing a veneer of notability to disguise a non-notable subject. However, I think there's enough good stuff there to pass, particularly winning an award notable enough to have its own article. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:22, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for clarifying that up! I've been also thinking it's a pass too as it provides enough info to describe the person. Paowee (talk) 05:38, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Versions of this were deleted as result of AfD in 2017 and 2018, then draftified at the end of a third AfD in 2019. Not clear from Talk, but there may have been a 4th in 2021. My own opinion is that it finally crossed a threshhold to acceptance, and should not be nominated again. Might benefit from removal of weak/invalid refs. David notMD (talk) 08:35, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Article for Peer Review

Dear Members,

I just finished writing one article. This was earlier declined stating that it did not have enough citations. I have added more citations, links, and references.

May I request you to do a peer review for me? It is about ATRC.

Thank you. Rakanya (talk) 17:35, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Rekanya, and welcome to the Teahouse. The Teahouse is a place to answer questions and to give advice to new editors, not to carry out reviews. Please pick the button to Resubmit Draft:Advanced Technology Research Council, and a reviewer will get to it in time. ColinFine (talk) 17:39, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Rakanya, it seems you have misunderstood the decline notice (as many new editors do). It doesn't mean that you don't have enough citations, it means that the citations aren't good enough. You need better sources, not more. Maproom (talk) 21:23, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Maproom,

Thank you for pointing that out.

If you check the article now, I have added citations from leading newspapers like Khaleej Times, Business Wire, and Arabian News.

The client is a well established Research and Development institute, based out of Abu Dhabi.

Could you kindly go through the article and let me know if it needs further improvement?

Many thanks once again!

Regards Rakanya (talk) 01:56, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

@Rakanya As ColinFine said, once you make the requested changes and resubmit, someone will review the article in time. David10244 (talk) 07:49, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi David,

Thank you.

Since I have made the changes I wanted someone to have a look and let me know if it requires further improvement. It would be really helpful.

Thank you once again!

Regards Rakanya (talk) 10:52, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia Translate page

Is it possible for you to make the Translate page faster again because it is slow again now. 09:06, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

What do you mean by "the Translate page"? -- Hoary (talk) 11:52, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Maybe Special:ContentTranslation? Madeline (part of me) 12:07, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Special:ContentTranslation it is correct? It is very slow. Wname1 (talk) 12:47, 8 October 2022 (UTC)