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Question about AWB and edit count

I read this article recently: https://www.ozy.com/news-and-politics/this-prolific-nerd-is-shaping-the-future-of-wikipedia/79469/

I know that it is not a new article, and that it is talking about Ser Amantio di Nicolao, the number one editor of all time, to date. What I am interested in is that this editor supposedly made/makes 500+ edits a day, I believe using the AWB (auto wiki browser), which I have applied for. Even so, that seems astronomically high, especially since the next closest editor, BrownHairedGirl, is almost 2,000,000 edits shy of the first place person! I would love to emulate this astonishing productivity! How can it be done? Typos? What is it that can be done to help the encyclopedia at such a rate! TY. Oopsemoops (talk) 01:09, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Oopsemoops. I highly recommend that you prioritize quality over quantity. Editors who work at a rapid pace regularly get into great difficulty and sometimes get blocked. Cullen328 (talk) 01:24, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Totally understand that. I was really just mostly interested in what on earth that particular editor did to get to 5,000,000. Obviously they are not vandalism or problematic edits, or they would have been blocked, no? I agree with you though, as my low edit count would suggest. Oopsemoops (talk) 01:25, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Oopsemoops. Why don't you ask them yourself here? But you should know, edit counts are not a measure of status, and Nicolao is not the "number one editor". There are editors here who excel at a wide variety of different fields, and if you do stick around, you will regularly run into them. But as Cullen graciously said, you should avoid making edits just to inflate your count, as that could get you into trouble. Take it slowly, and learn the rules first. After a while, you'll probably learn some clue and you'll get things done well. Trust me, I've been here only a few months, and the knowledge will gradually come to you. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 02:41, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Currently you have made fewer than 1,000 edits, and many of those are either posting a Wikipedia Welcome to IP addresses or cautioning the same IP addresses about vandalism, when it is known that many people make one edit as an IP and never edit again. So I also enjoin you to focus on quality over quantity. For IP vandalism, revert, but do not bother with the welcome or warning. David notMD (talk) 08:38, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

There are strategies for getting very high edit-counts. Fiddling around with categories is the traditional approach. But think of a typical modern Wikipedia reader: they want to know about Attila the Hun, they do a Google search, it finds them the Wikipedia article, they read it. The sort of edits that the high edit-count editors are making are entirely irrelevant to these people's Wikipedia experience. What these readers care about is the text, the pictures, the citations to external sources where they can learn more. If you want to be useful, this is what you should be contributing. But finding sources is hard work and slow; navigating copyright and uploading usable pictures is a finnicky, time-consuming business, and writing text takes ages. My last genuine textual contribution to Wikipedia was a single edit that took me nearly an hour. But in the end, the editors who deserve to be called "number one" aren't the high-edit-count people, doing fairly trivial technical tasks of questionable value, they're the people who actually wrote this amazing encyclopaedia. Elemimele (talk) 12:34, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

WP:Wikicup winners are strong contenders for the title under this criteria. casualdejekyll 15:41, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

I want to just clarify that I do not think any one editor is truly "number one", but was more just curious what that one editor did and how they did it. Anyway, I'll ask them directly. I appreciate everyones responses, and I take it to heart. — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 04:36, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Attributing text copied from another language Wikipedia

Hi, hoping for some advice on attribution. I've been watching and have done some copyediting on Peyman Yazdanian, which is in a bit of a state with unsourced info and formatting issues. An editor has now replaced part of the article with text which I think is copied from the French Wiki here. I have looked at WP:TFOLWP and see that attribution should be given. I have looked at the information on making a dummy edit to do this. Questions: is this something I can do as the user who did not copy the info, given it's a guess on my part, or should I ask the editor who made the change to do it? Is it still appropriate to attribute given I did some (fairly minor) editing to the text before concluding that it had been copied across? Thanks. Tacyarg (talk) 18:47, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Tacyarg! If the other user is an active editor, it'd be good to ping them and see if they'll make the dummy edit, at least so that they'll know not to make a similar error in the future. For attribution purposes, though, I think it's fine if you make the dummy edit, and if you're not 100% sure the text was copied, you can just include a qualifier like "likely" in your edit summary. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:13, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Can't publish a page

I know a well known company in Aurangabad, Maharashtra. which works for 3d renderings services all over the world. It also designed Dholera smart city in Ahmedabad, Gujrat. I want to publish an artice about that company. 3dpower.nitin (talk) 05:14, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Nitin Verma, which was deleted under CSD G11

hi @3dpower.nitin and welcome to the teahouse! it's best to not write about your company at all (or the company you're on, or any company you're personally connected to), since due to your WP:conflict of interest, it may be hard to write about them while still following the policies, especially the one on neutral point of view. especially if you're writing the page to promote the company in some way, as wikipedia is not PR and will absolutely not promote your company.

instead, I recommend you to edit about something else! there are more than five million articles, surely another one of these would interest you. either way, improving an existing article is easier and better for newer editors than starting a completely new article, as it lets you get used to the policies and the editor before undertaking what could be one of the harder challenges in Wikipedia. you may also want to request a rename for your account to identify yourself as an individual and not a company (company names are not allowed since it can imply shared use, among other reasons). happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 05:40, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

standard for naming ref?

I'm trying to work on cleaning up, verifying, adding, etc. sources & citations. I've noticed most pages have a mishmash of naming conventions in the ref tags - authordate, pmid, random stuff lol. Is there a preferred convention or style or whatever? Donna's Cyborg🏳️‍⚧️(talk)(contribs) 04:23, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Good question, and "No." Wikipedia:Naming references for beginners explains how, but only gives a few examples and little guidance. It does call for the name to be within quotation marks, which I understand to be optional, and for a space between the end of the name and /> at subsequent uses, ditto. For sci journal articles, which have a unique PMID number assigned to each article, my preference is to instead use the first author's last name and year of publication (example: "Watson1953"). David notMD (talk) 05:26, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

As I understand it, the quotation marks around the ref name are optional only if the name contains no spaces. A name like Gråbergs Gråa Sång's "NYT feb 2021" below definitely requires them. It's easiest to just use the quotation marks in all cases to prevent confusion. Deor (talk) 11:47, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! Yeah, I definitely prefer lastdate (i.e. smith1999) myself, but probably only because that's how I organize my own journal PDFs lol! Quick follow up, is it likely to offend other editors if I go through an article and standardize the names? I just find the mishmash confusing when I'm trying to work in the editor. Donna's Cyborg🏳️‍⚧️(talk)(contribs) 16:15, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

@Donna's Cyborg IMO it's not likely, and to standardize this is a generally a good thing. Per WP:CITEVAR there should be an "established citation style" and this can be seen as part of that. But please not into names like 0, 1, 2 etc. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:55, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

There are some tools like WP:REFILL that adds a number as name if there are several of that ref. My personal preference is to name a ref something that helps me (and hopefully other editors) understand what it is when we see it in the reftoolbar "named references" list, like "NYT feb 2021" or some title of book etc.. This doesn't seem to matter much with VisualEditor's "re-use". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:05, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

I never put any spaces in my reference names and I never use quotation marks. I use a mnemonic such as the surname of the author or an abbreviation of the publication. I try to keep it simple and easy to remember. Cullen328 (talk)

I usually name mine with reftoolbar and that adds quotation marks. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:58, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Adding images

Hello, I want to add an image for a page, Bohrium - Wikipedia. How do you do so? Allan Polatcan (talk) 21:22, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Allan Polatcan, welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a specific image in mind? In order to be placed in an article, an image must be uploaded either to Wikipedia or to Wikimedia Commons. The image must be licensed in a particular way for use in either place - images on Commons must be freely licensed; images hosted locally here on Wikipedia can have more restrictive licenses, but their usage must be justified per WP:FAIRUSE. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:29, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

@Allan Polatcan To elaborate, images you find on the internet are usually not free of copyright. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 08:28, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

writing an article

not able to upload picture . error is coming You don't have permission to upload this file Bhartigy (talk) 08:52, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Which picture? Which article? It might help you to read Wikipedia:Uploading images Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:12, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi Bhartigy You cannot upload files because your account is not WP:AUTOCONFIRMED for which your account must be at least 4 days old and have made at least 10 edits - you will need to wait until 96 hours after your first edit which was on 2022-09-08 at 09:30 and do 2 more edits. If you don't want to wait, you could make a request at WP:Files for upload - but that will still take some time. Arjayay (talk) 10:38, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Now that Queen Elizabeth II has died

I was wondering who no longer has a job now that Queen Elizabeth II has died? e.g. Her wardrobe advisor, her ladies in waiting. I was wondering who else. This may or may not be a subject for a page. 105.184.144.33 (talk) 07:57, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. That is not an appropriate subject for a Wikipedia article. This page is for questions on how to use or edit Wikipedia. Do you have such a question? Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:28, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps that could be addressed as a section at Death of Elizabeth II? David notMD (talk) 13:04, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

"Citation review"

I've been using reference management software to gather references on the internet to create a Wikipedia article lately. I'm not sure if I'll proceed with trying to create it, I still have some doubts, but is there any place where I can go dump my citations to show to other editors and get opinions and consensus on whether they are suitable for an article? Or rather, is it my responsibility to review the references myself or should I just go make a draft and let the reviewers review the references during submission? A diehard editor (talk | edits) 11:50, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

A diehard editor you could just create the article, WP:BRD. Sungodtemple (talk) 12:23, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

@A diehard editor You can put them in your sandbox, or any other page in your user space, and share with whomever you wish (including pinging me, if you wish). That said, it can be difficult to assess the sources in isolation, without seeing what content they're meant to be supporting. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:26, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Alright, I'll gather more sources and dump them in my userspace. I've noted down your usernames so once they're ready I will be able to ping you. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 12:29, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

@Sungodtemple @DoubleGrazing I have prepared the reference dump. Come on over and discuss if you have the time. Thanks! A diehard editor (talk | edits) 13:17, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

My article draft is removed by mistake as I was writing my own game rather than paying someone who no nothing about this blockchain game

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I think it is automatically removed by bot.

how to get it approved as it take 10 hours to write an article and these bots removed without even looking at the content? Muhammad Mousa (talk) 05:56, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not use bots to delete articles. Your article was deleted by a human, since the game you’re writing about was likely not famous enough. Also, writing about something you made is discouraged, because that’s a conflict of interest. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 06:06, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi Muhammad Mousa. Draft:Meta Warriors was not deleted by a WP:BOT; it was deleted by a Wikipedia administrator named Deepfriedokra per Wikipedia speedy deletion criterion G11. Wikipedia pages tends to be deleted for this reason when they are to assessed to be too promotional for Wikipedia's purposes; in fact, they are seen as beeing so promotional that there's no way to rewrite the page to bring it more in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Since I'm not an administrator, I can't see the draft; however, there are a number of administrators who help answer questions here at the Teahouse and perhaps one of them can provide you with some more details. You can, if you want, also post a message to Deepfriedokra on their user talk page and ask for more details on why they deleted the draft. Before you do so, however, you might want to take a look at Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not for some general information about Wikipedia because it sounds like you might be misunderstanding some important things about Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:08, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

You can see who deleted it and their reason here:[1], in the pink box. Assuming that's the draft you meant. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:08, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

thanks all for your kind words.

The problem is, I was writing a page about my own game as I do not know any one who can write for me.People are asking for $10000 for a page creation.

NOOOOOOOOOO, it was not promotional as I only added a link to the game website. I only write about what is the game, how to play and companies officially supporting the game listed on my website.

The so called administrator who removed the hard work accompanied (it took me 10 Hours) removed it perhaps he does not know how blockchain technology works.

better for these administrators to follow up with changing technology.

Secondly It absolutely not fair for someone to delete an article with out recommending necessary edits. Muhammad Mousa (talk) 06:21, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

I have clearly disclosed in the comments to wikipedia that I am writing about my own subject?

If it is not fair then why we have that option in first place? Muhammad Mousa (talk) 06:22, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

@Muhammad Mousa: Your draft article started right out with "You can immerse yourself in this challenging yet fun and mind-blowing experience that’ll literally sweep you right off your feet" followed by unsubstantiated puffery such as "revolutionary", "change the gaming industry forever", and "more than just a game". If that isn't promotional language, I don't know what is.

I'm sorry if this sounds harsh: if you cannot be bothered to learn the basic policies and guidelines here, the fact that you wasted 10 hours of your time is your problem alone. On the other hand, it is a real problem that others had to clean up after you. You were clearly using Wikipedia as a publicity platform, and that is emphatically not permitted here. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:27, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Let me quote a little more, Muhammad Mousa: You can immerse yourself in this challenging yet fun and mind-blowing experience that’ll literally sweep you right off your feet. From blowing zombie brains to competing against other players for high-stake rewards to diving into the revolutionary Meta Warrior metaverse, the game is on a mission to change the gaming industry forever with blockchain. Does anyone need to comment? Actually, yes, to point out that in addition to being promotional it was lifted from this. Please do not waste Deepfriedokra's time by asking them what was wrong. Blatant boosterism, copyright violation, and a complete failure to understand the nature of an encyclopedia: there's your answer. There was no "mistake" in removing this: I wouldn't have hesitated to remove it myself. -- Hoary (talk) 06:30, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

That is my point here.

You should have asked for changing or removing those two lines rather than deleting the whole draft page.

if you believe those violate the policy, I have a whole hearted respect for that.I am happy to be aligned with policy and that is what I want here.

Those are the part of the game story and to some degree those lines can corrected or removed.

Here is my question, If I resubmit with out above mentioned lines , would it be accepted? Muhammad Mousa (talk) 06:59, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

If it were just those two lines then a G11 speedy deletion would have been declined. G11s are reserved for articles that would need to be completely rewritten from scratch to get rid of the promotional tone. Also, this topic area does not need any more people trying to shill their pet project. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 07:04, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

I don't have access to the deleted draft, so I can't answer that. But from what I've read above, I believe that even if your draft is restored or rewritten, there's very little chance that it will ever be accepted as an article. Maproom (talk) 07:09, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

"Literally" doesn't mean "literally" anymore? 71.228.112.175 (talk) 08:12, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Without those two lines, the draft would still contain such junk as Meta Warriors isn’t just another one of those all-talk, no-action games that has been developed just for the sake of developers to earn money. We believe – if you are spending your precious hours playing our game, you should be incentivized. It implemented a serious Play-to-Earn Mechanism where you can earn money while also having fun. (From which I have removed an external link.) I believe, Muhammad Mousa, that you have already spent enough of other editors' precious time having them point out the obvious: that this is junk. If you're keen to promote this product, do so on some other website. (And if you still don't understand how what you pasted is promotional, we have a saying here: "Competence is required".) -- Hoary (talk) 07:15, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Let me rewrite it as It is very important for me to protect the community therefore I am going hard to get it approved. NO matter my community is very important to me therefore let me only add the game description only.

@Hoary can I add a list of companies who are supporting the game launch to the article with links to their website or twitter posts where they have made announcement?

Secondly, Is there any way I can share screen shorts or screen records of our communication with other companies on how we are working on daily basis to get down fake websites and social accounts. It is actually world first ever play to earn blockchain game there fore every one is copying it and I need a wikipedia page to establish the right information and absolutely no intention of any promotion here. As I shared my previous data with you and you can see the marketing companies have done a tremendous job here. Thanks for the right information and I hope that it will be accepted in the greater interest of public right protection. Muhammad Mousa (talk) 07:39, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

@Muhammad Mousa:I think you'd be much better off trying to find some site other than Wikipedia to use to try and protect your community because it seems highly unlikely that your reasons wanting to create such an article have more to do with your interests than they have to do with Wikipedia's interests. Wikipedia is also a WP:COMMUNITY and it seems unlikely that a consensus could ever be established (at least based on what's been posted above so far) among the Wikipedia community to accept something such as this. You will have much more editorial control and won't be subject to any of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines if you create what you want to create on some other website. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:59, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

@Marchjuly that is what exactly I am looking at. I believe it better serves the wikipedia interest that there are right information out there for the community to look.People trust wikipedia because of it's strong community therefore we want to add value by putting out the right information.Surely I will rewrite and only add the game description and I am open to any good suggestion to better align with every minor policies and make it something which is upto the standard of Wikipedia. Muhammad Mousa (talk) 08:22, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

moreover is there any way I can take help from any expert like advisor etc if it's paid too or volunteer to look at the article before submission? Muhammad Mousa (talk) 08:25, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

hi @Muhammad Mousa! the best (and recommended) way to ask for an article to be reviewed is to send them to AfC, where an editor can help improve your article by pointing out the flaws you can fix. we strongly do not recommend paying someone to review your article, or doing anything regarding your article, since they would then be bound by the same rules as you (in the conflict of interest policies), as well as stricter ones regarding paid editing. additionally, they don't have any special benefits (they can't guarantee a draft passes to an article, or protect an article for deletion, or let the article promote your game) and can be scams. if you'd like to promote the game, please do so somewhere else (if you have a company website or account, not only do you have nearly free reign on what you can write, but there will be people getting information from it as it is the official source), however if you'd like to rewrite the article, try writing it from the point of view of a researcher whose only knowledge of the game includes what the reliable sources talk about it, not what the company says about the game they developed. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 08:37, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks and I will share resubmit as per these guidelines Muhammad Mousa (talk) 09:14, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

See WP:GNG. Per that, what are the 3 best sources you can think of? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:27, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

1. https://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/meta-warriors-is-changing-the-gaming-sphere-with-zombie-shoot-to-earn

2. https://www.benzinga.com/pressreleases/22/08/28647852/meta-warriors-is-changing-the-gaming-sphere-with-zombie-shoot-to-earn

3. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/meta-warriors-changing-gaming-sphere-115836870.html

and 228 other sites with press releases for the game www.metawarriors.world Muhammad Mousa (talk) 09:22, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

People shouldn't trust Wikipedia, because Wikipedia is not a reliable source. This means that they shouldn't just believe what they read here, they should examine the sources provided. 331dot (talk) 09:25, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Muhammad Mousa, those aren't three independent sources. They're three copies of the same press release, not independent of the subject, and therefore worthless in establishing that the subject is notable. If those are the best sources you can find, you're wasting your time here. Maproom (talk) 09:40, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

OP has been blocked. Lectonar (talk) 10:54, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

That... seems to be the case. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:34, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Persistence is not the same as competence. David notMD (talk) 12:48, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

I will archive this shortly. @Muhammad Mousa clearly wasted a lot of our time trying to promote their game here. Good to know that they've been blocked. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 13:19, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

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Editing Regarding

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Why am i can't edit semi protected page?

my account have been upto 4 days and 10+ edits but can't edit semi protected pages.

whyyy??

Samar0a786 (talk) 11:05, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Four full days are needed...so you will have these after 16.53 today. Lectonar (talk) 11:09, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

THey didn't even get that far. User blocked as a sock. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 12:16, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Time to archive this. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 14:04, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

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does auto-completion work differently now?

hello, it used to be that when you began typing in the search bar, it would show suggestions that contained that string in the article title. but now, it seems to be working on whole-word basis, i.e. when I type "Albert" it shows "Albert", "Alberta municipal elections" (so not whole-word, either) and "Alert and discovery expedition" (which seems super-random.) And when I type in "Matthew," it only shows "Matthew" and some Bible verses ("Matthew X:Y and so on.) Needless to say, this is completely useless. What's going on? Is it just me? I tried in several browsers and on several devices. Is it a bug? Aecho6Ee (talk) 00:48, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

I don't know how they rank the suggestions, but I know that you can change the behavior of the search suggestion popup here. Weeklyd3 (talk) 00:51, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Also, the problem you describe seems to be because of typo matching (it thinks you meant 'Alert' instead of 'Albert'). You might want to turn off typo corrections via the settings link above. For example, I use the second option, and 'Alert and discovery expedition' does not show up. Weeklyd3 (talk) 00:53, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

thanks. setting it to "classic prefix search" seems to restore (most of) the old behavior. I distinctly remember though this being the default behavior even a couple days ago, hence my surprise Aecho6Ee (talk) 01:00, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Aecho6Ee, maybe Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Skin_is_deployed may be of interest to you. Sungodtemple (talk) 01:09, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

@Aecho6Ee The developers accidentally broke autocomplete results while updating the search software, see Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Weird and unhelpful autocompleted search results and phab:T317381. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 14:52, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Talk pages in the search results

Why am I suddenly seeing mainly Talk pages in the search results at the moment? I searched for Edward the Confessor. I got as far as 'Edward the ', and all the results are talk pages for articles with titles beginning 'Edward the...'. Talk pages should only appear in search results when there are fewer than 10 articles beginning with the typed text. Koro Neil (talk) 22:47, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Maybe check the 'Search in:' box below the advanced search bar. Sungodtemple (talk) 00:43, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

@Koro Neil The developers accidentally broke autocomplete results while updating the search software, see Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Weird and unhelpful autocompleted search results and phab:T317381. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 14:54, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Down

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Wikipedia is going down! 2019Rocks (talk) 08:00, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

@2019Rocks What does that mean? 71.228.112.175 (talk) 08:37, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Nothing for an idiotic ip user do worry about. 2019Rocks (talk) 08:59, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

2019Rocks indef'ed. Nothing to see here. DMacks (talk) 09:00, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

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User modifications to the MediaWiki interface

Is there a way to modify the MediaWiki interface for only myself? One use of that I see is to add a link to the Teahouse to the navbar on my left, or in general any Wikipedia page I find important. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 11:46, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

@A diehard editor: I recommend checking your preferences for various gadgets and settings first, then Wikipedia:User scripts for ready-made scripts. If you really want to customize Wikipedia just for you (and know how to program) you can create a personal javascript and/or CSS file which can create modifications just for you. See Wikipedia:Common.js and common.css. MKFI (talk) 12:38, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

I am knowledgeable in CSS and JS, so I'll go edit my common.js. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 12:43, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

P.S. I have added this to my common.js to add the Teahouse:

var contributeList = getElementByXpath("/html/body/div[1]/div/div[1]/div/nav/div[3]/div[2]/ul");contributeList.innerHTML += <nowiki>"<li id=\"n-teahouse\" class=\"mw-list-item\"><a href=\"/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse\"><span>Teahouse</span></a></li>";</nowiki>

A diehard editor (talk | edits) 12:54, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

@A diehard editor: We have a function to add interface links: Wikipedia:User scripts/Guide#Adding elements. addPortletLink is stable and easy to use. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:26, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Okay, I've replaced the code. Thanks for telling me about that. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 15:39, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Editing Wikipedia

Hello to all.

I am relatively new to Wikipedia, and would like to go more in depth into editing Wikipedia. Would you recommend the editing tutorial or signing up for the adopt-a-user program.

-thanks to all, a1139530 A1139530 (talk) 13:51, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Try Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Adventure Aaron Liu (talk) 16:12, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Personally, I would recommend Help:Introduction over the Wikipedia Adventure. It's a little less game-y but overall more helpful and better maintained. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 16:55, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Ned Bittinger

Hello, I would like some feedback on a draft I revised. Is there any way I can improve the draft so it will get accepted this time? It had previously been declined, and I have since fixed all the issues that got it declined. Draft:Ned Bittinger Spiggotr6 (talk) 02:40, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Spiggotr6! Thanks for continuing to work on the draft. Looking at the prior comments, there were concerns about sourcing (at a very quick glance, they seem okay enough), copyvio (looks okay now, at least per Earwig), and COI (you've asserted that you have none, which we take on good faith). On notability (a common issue with drafts), you appear to be on solid ground, both from your sources establishing WP:NBIO and from WP:NARTIST criterion 4d. So overall, I'd say the draft is pretty close to being ready for mainspace, and there's a good chance it'll be approved by the reviewer this next time. Of course, I can't make any guarantees — the reviewer might spot an issue I haven't — but if it's only something small, you can always try fixing it quickly and pinging them to see if they'll turn a decline into an accept. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:05, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Alright, thanks so much for the feedback! Spiggotr6 (talk) 05:11, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Spiggotr6, I think that this artist is almost certainly notable but I have some problems with your draft. I have been an editor for over 13 years and have worked on many biographies of artists. The lead section of your draft consists of industrial strength name dropping. The purpose of of the lead section is to summarize the content of the body of the article, not to put forward a mind numbing list of every institution that owns his paintings and every famous person that Bittinger has painted a portrait of. If that content belongs at all, it must be rigorously referenced to independent reliable sources and placed in the body of the article, not the lead section. It should be in prose format, not an endless list. Instead of saying he painted a painting of Person A, it should say that in 1999, he painted a portrait of Person A that was exhibited in Museum B. Art Critic C said "blah blah" about the painting and Critic D countered with "blah blah blah. The painting sold for X dollars. Books only contribute to notability if you provide references to independent, reliable sources that devote significant coverage to both the book and its illustrator. The article should describe his life and his development as an artist and how art critics have evaluated his work. An artist does not become notable by doing a bunch of paintings of famous people. Right now, your draft looks much more like a résumé or a curriculum vitae than an encyclopedia article. I think that the draft needs a major restructuring. Be sure that every assertion is properly referenced and that every reference is reliable. Cullen328 (talk) 05:53, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

I agree that the lede is a useless wall of blue names of institutions, with the references doing no more than confirming he painted a picture that is on display at those locations. David notMD (talk) 07:40, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

The lede should summarise the body of the article. That list of where some of his works are does not belong in the lede. It's arguable whether it belongs in the article at all. Maproom (talk) 07:51, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328 I moved one of the lists down to "career", and completely removed the other. Let me know if that looks any better to you. Thanks Spiggotr6 (talk) 18:05, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Change signature to look like that of the "cool kids"

I have a boring old signature. I have decided that I would like for it to be green and more "ogre"-like and big and scary or cute and big and green, but green nonetheless. How can I make this happen? I have seen many veteran editors that have all kinds of cool signatures as they sign off with the famous four tilde's. TY. Oopsemoops (talk) 01:05, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

@Oopsemoops: Welcome to the Teahouse. You can find more info at Wikipedia:Custom signatures. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:13, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Oopsemoops. Please also read Wikipedia:Signature tutorial. I recommend that you avoid making it too big and "scary", and that you keep it legible for other editors using a wide range of devices. Cullen328 (talk) 01:20, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

How is this? I also prefer to just be called "Moops", so I went ahead and fixed that too if that is still okay per the rules. — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 01:47, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

@Oopsemoops IMO it's fine, except that the link to your talkpage is unnecesseraly tiny. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:48, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

I actually borrowed that directly from another users example listed in the approved example signatures. See here, I believe the specific editor there is named Orduin, see here. So I gather if it is on that list, then it is "okay"? — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 15:38, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

@Oopsemoops: I'm on the fence on this because it can be annoying for users to ping you if they don't know your actual username. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:26, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

They are still able to click it, no? Is it un-clickable for you? Just curious. TY. — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 16:27, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

And is there any hard and fast rule that I am breaking here? I like how it looks, but I don't want to violate any WP protocols... TY. — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 16:28, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Also, if there is an easy way to make the "T" larger, then I am open to that potentially? — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 16:31, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Actually, to my knowledge there's no specific rule stating that your signature must contain your actual username in full. To make the T bigger you can just add "big" tags to it, although I'm not sure if that's actually allowed in signatures or not. (Do note that I don't know how to make sigs, I just had someone else make mine for me, but I don't think that person is active on Wikipedia anymore). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:33, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

It is clickable, but anyone who wants to ping you would have to hover over your signature at the very least to see what your actual username is. The guidelines and policies for signatures state: A customised signature should make it easy to identify your username. This is, of course, open to interpretation, but I don't think many people would reasonably deduce your name from your signature. What might be preferable is to mention that is what you want to be called on your user page, or make Oopse less conspicuous in your signature, like in a lighter font. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:58, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Also, I clarified on both my user page and talk page that I prefer to just be called "Moops" then. TY. — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 17:06, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

I don't think this is much of a problem if you use "reply" and little-guy-with-a-+-button. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:01, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

I am not familiar with what you mean by, "little-guy-with-a-+-button" — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 17:04, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

If Moops has already participated in a discussion it's not as serious of an issue, as the dropdown menu when typing @ should have a list of all the participants. The problem is more likely to arise if someone is trying to alert Moops to a discussion they haven't joined, at which point they would need to know Moops' actual username. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:13, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

If someone can help me to fix my username then to be "compliant" while still being called moops. I would appreciate it. I would need the source wikimarkup. Much TY. — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 18:22, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

How about this? — Moops ^⋠Talk⋡ 18:44, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Now instead of a "T" like the other user uses (is their's compliant? I still prefer the "T" alone)... I will spell out the word "Talk" if it is more in "compliance" or better otherwise for other editors. — Moops ^⋠Talk⋡ 18:45, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

I don't think the Talk link being "T" was the issue. But I could be wrong. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:46, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Pinging user @PICKLEDICAE for input. –LordPickleII (talk) 18:53, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

That prompted me to look in to this "pickle cabal", how does one join? Are ogres allowed to be pickled? — Moops ^⋠Talk⋡ 19:08, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

I don't think it's an actual thing but rather an inside joke. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:51, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Why did your text get so small? — Moops ^⋠Talk⋡ 19:59, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

I simply just added small tags around it. Wikipedia also supports some HTML formatting code. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:01, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Got it. Also, since it didn't seem to actually get objections to use the "T", I went back to that. I like the look of it better that way. — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 04:31, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi, this is perfect I was about to ask the same question. What about this signature?

GuineaPig_C77 (𒅗𒌤) ☕ GuineaPigC77 (talk) 10:23, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

I personally don't have a problem with it. Your username's in full so people know how to ping you without needing to worry that they're going to get it wrong. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 11:38, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Okay great, I just wanted to double check. Thanks @Tenryuu! GuineaPigC77 (talk) 18:08, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

National register of historic places application -- OK to cite?

Hello,

I'm wondering if it's ok to cite an application for acceptance to the National Register of Historic Places. The application was accepted, so I imagine the information found there is legitimate.

Specifically this has to do with the article Deep Eddy Pool. If it's OK to cite, what is the best way to go about it? Is there a specific template that I should use? The application was prepared by Hannah Swenson with help from Peter Ketter, should they both be listed as authors? I would be grateful if anyone could point me in the right direction on this.

Thanks! Trillkat (talk) 20:54, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

@Trillkat: Welcome to the Teahouse! Yes, citing the NRHP application is appropriate - see Hagley Museum and Library, which uses {{NRISref}}. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 22:04, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Ok, thank you for the info! Trillkat (talk) 22:41, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Delete my account

Hi, just want to delete my account in the english version. Want to stay in on my german wiki. Some ideas how it works. Jürgen Blottnus (talk) 08:25, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Unfortunately, accounts cannot be deleted on Wikimedia projects. Tropicalkitty (talk) 08:26, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

@Blottnus: you can't delete your account. also, your account is linked to all wikimedia projects. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 08:28, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

You could request courtesy vanishing, Blottnus, but this would be global so would apply to your German Wikipedia account too. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:33, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Although you don't seem to have made any edits with your German account... Cordless Larry (talk) 08:36, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

@Blottnus: If you haven't edited on your German account yet, the simplest thing to do is to request vanishing (globally), and then create a new user id at de-wiki, and just use that. (I'd wait a few days or better, weeks in between, if you want to completely distance yourself from previous account(s).) You might want to read WP:MULTIPLE, and then email an admin privately about what you are doing, to avoid possible socking issues later. But I think this would accomplish everything you want. mfG, Mathglot (talk) 00:12, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Is something a reliable source if it hosted an event you're looking to prove?

Hello everyone, I am currently editing a Wikipedia page related to WWE. The article does not have a lot of references to sources, so I was hoping to improve that. I was wondering if WWE would automatically be considered a reliable source since they hosted the talked events in the article. I just want to make sure. Thanks! Ulysses Grant Official (talk) 01:20, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

@Ulysses Grant Official: Per WP:ABOUTSELF, you're allowed to use statements by the WWE as a source about themselves as long as the claims aren't promotional and you don't base the entire article on them (paraphrasing here). For instance, Over the Edge (1999) (a WP:featured article) has many citations to WWE sources about match stipulations and facts about the storylines. But when it goes into the controversy surrounding Owen Hart's death, the citations are generally third-party ones as the WWE wouldn't be neutral on the facts surrounding that incident. The short form of this is to use your best judgement; citing the WWE talking about itself is allowed but discouraged and should only be done when necessary. Chess (talk) (please use {{reply to|Chess}} on reply) 02:47, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

My draft

Hi everyone!

I am trying to write about my new favorite realty tv star because I think he's super inspirational. How do I do this without making it sound "promotional"? If you look at my draft for David Christopher, please give any and all input! It got rejected, I wrote it, and it got rejected again. What should I do differently?

Thank you in advance!

 Courtesy link: Draft:David Christopher

Nroosovsky Nroosovsky (talk) 05:54, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Nroosovsky. Here is a suggestion: Do not say Little is known about his family and upbringing unless you can provide a reference to a reliable source that says that. Otherwise, just leave it out because language like that is a red flag for reviewers. It is not up to you as a Wikipedia editor to conclude that little is known. Our role as Wikipedia editors is to summarize published reliable sources, not to draw our own inferences. Apply the same principle of analysis to every sentence of your draft. Cullen328 (talk) 06:03, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! I appreciate the feedback! Nroosovsky (talk) 05:36, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Submission declined

Hi, Our company have relaunched an old fashion brand called ST-95 and I'm attempting to create a Wiki page about the brand at Draft:St95. I've carried out quite alot of research on the internet about the history of the brand but the submission declined message reads: should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. The references I've submitted are from independent sources should I remove these. The ST-95 brand was quite niche so there is little information available, do you have any advice on how we can do research to get the page published. We are going to have a go at rewriting the article to be more like an Encyclopedia entry.

Thanking you , kind regards, John Tulley RetailClothing (talk) 14:33, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

RetailClothing Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia has articles, not "wiki pages". Please read WP:COI and WP:PAID for information on required formal disclosures. If as you say, there is little information avaliable, this topic would not merit an article at this time. At least some of the sources you offered are interviews with company staff, which does not establish notability. 331dot (talk) 14:37, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, John Tulley, and welcome to the Teahouse. Note that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If such sources do not exist, then no article on the subject will be accepted, however it is written. ColinFine (talk) 14:49, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

RetailClothing None of the information about Osti is relevant to a company started 16 years after his death that uses the same name as what was his company before it ceased to exist. Delete all of that from Draft:St95. This leaves only the last ref as relevant, for a company that was launched last year. Not enough to be notable. David notMD (talk) 00:54, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

I tagged the article also as "not neutral", as it reads moreso like a promotional praise. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 09:36, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Update: Honestly, the article has a general issue with its subject and tone. It not only reads like a promotional praise (which I gave up editing almost halfway), but it also isn't notable enough. Unless reliable sources can convince us it's a topic worthy of a draft, for now, I've stopped editing there. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 10:36, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

CVS

Why 67.42.70.22 (talk) 03:31, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:06, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Why what? Cullen328 (talk) 05:55, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Are you looking for the article on CVS Pharmacy, or Concurrent Versions System? If you're not looking for those, check out our disambiguation page on CVS, a list of everything called CVS that has been covered on Wikipedia. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 11:43, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Please do not post vague questions like this, unless it was a mistake. Next time, specify "why". WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 10:55, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

A user did a vandalism

User: DuncanHill

It undo my edits. I’m not something, Admin, you can respond? 2400:2410:C4C3:2000:3DAE:3925:B936:1C6D (talk) 11:17, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

What edits are you complaining about? Maproom (talk) 12:00, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

The ones on Gas Council. I did a partial RV. Sungodtemple (talk) 12:15, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

In the See also for Gas Council, you and DuncanHill are feuding over whether the Wikilink to Electricity Council should appear as that, or as The Electricity Council. The word "The is not part of the council's name. And as you are both editing in good faith, it is not vandalism. Stop. David notMD (talk) 17:17, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

I think it may be best for this contributor to prevent any WP:COI. Unless you can verify what is correct... WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 10:45, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Oh, nevermind, the IP was blocked. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 10:57, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Wikinews!!

This question is related to wikinews and not wikipedia. We must all have seen sports articles from ESPN, Bleacher Report etc.. that analyse a situation rather than just write the daily match score. For eg: They wrote articles about the player ratings per match, analyse a player per season and so. I just wished to know if I could create similar articles in Wikinews or if it was just a daily news platform. Have a good day.

I've been away for a while now, and i can't figure out how put my sign in the new system. Apologies Atlantis77177 (talk) 03:05, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

hi @Atlantis77177 and welcome to the teahouse! I believe the best place to ask this would be somewhere around the Wikinews Water Cooler's assistance section, although I'm not sure if it is active at all given sections from july remain unanswered (plus I don't know how active the Wikinews community is at all, since I don't check it often). happy editing and newswriting! 💜  melecie  talk - 03:13, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

@Atlantis77177: Apart from Wikimedia, WikiNews has very little connection to Wikipedia, and very few people actually edit there. They have not even published an article on Queen Elizabeth's death yet, which speaks for itself honestly. TBH, they'll probably take anything at this point. —VersaceSpace 🌃 03:15, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Atlantis77177, in my frank opinion, Wikinews is an almost moribund project that really ought to be shut down and put out of its misery. Their lead article at the moment is a five paragraph piece about a roller coaster at an amusement park in Ohio shutting down. Other articles on their home page are four or five days old. Major stories are routinely ignored. Most articles are brief and sketchy. English Wikipedia does a vastly better job of summarizing the news than Wikinews, and I cannot imagine that any intelligent person would go to Wikinews for a summary of world news. Cullen328 (talk) 05:17, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

As per other users, @Atlantis77177 there's not much you can do at WikiNews. If a project is inactive and cannot catch up, you may want to seek an active one on Wikipedia.

Does anyone know? WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 12:06, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Tomoharu Ushida

I'm new to Wikipedia article editor and would love to know how to write the appropriate biography article guidelines on Tomoharu Ushida that will be accepted Penpal777 (talk) 09:25, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

If the article is regarding a living person, read WP:BLP. To ensure the article passes the notability criteria. Please add a variety of reliable sources for verifiability. Feel free to come back here should you need any more assistance! Blanchey (talk) 09:38, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

hi @Penpal777 and welcome to the teahouse! for the notability guidelines for biographies, please check out Notability (biographies). you may also want to read Your first article. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 10:52, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

@Penpal777:

read the notability guidelines for people. does tomoharu ushida meet them? if not, don't create an article. but if the guidelines are met, then do create an article.

you should also read the guideance in help:your first article. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 10:51, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

I suggest, Penpal777, that you work on improving existing articles for some time, and that only after you've got experience of that, work on creating a draft about the pianist (or some namesake of his). -- Hoary (talk) 12:22, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

2 Questions on formatting

1. How do I create the elbow connector shape for when talk page discussions get too indented?

2. How do I create green Serif text to show a quote?

Rob3512 (Talk) 11:48, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

@Rob3512:

1. {{outdent}}

2. {{talk quote inline}} lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 11:58, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Rob3512 (Talk) 12:35, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

@Rob3512 There's also {{talk quote block}}, which can be quite handy for if you need to quote a big chunk of text. 192.76.8.74 (talk) 12:43, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Chopsquad DJ Page

Hello! I've been trying to get in contact with someone who can help me a with a deleted page and getting it back up due to a photo not owned by the original submitter and would like to get that page up again, please let me know if anyone can help me Tylercameron3271 (talk) 17:43, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Tylercameron3271. Draft:ChopSquad DJ still exists, and you are free to improve it. Cullen328 (talk) 17:50, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedia administrators willing to provide copies of deleted articles A diehard editor (talk | edits) 17:51, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

celebrities or famous people born on 9/12/1947

I am looking for interesting people or interesting information about the number 75 and on those born in 9/12/1947 to use as part of a birthday card. Athletes, actors, historical individuals, events. I keep getting a message that my search request doesn't exist. 155.186.10.40 (talk) 15:23, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia doesn't have a specific page on every single topic one might have in mind, so you might need to broaden your search and then look for specific details in the results. For example, we have a page for the year [1974] and for the month September 1947, both organized by date, in which you might find some things that happened in that year or month at (or near) the right day. And we have an article for September 12, organized by year, that has things that happened that day of many years so you might find someone born the right year or someone from a previous year who has a milestone birthday in the year of interest.

We have an article about 75 (number) with various factoids that might relate to your birthday-friend's interests. DMacks (talk) 15:43, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

9/12/1947 is unclear, are you looking for September 12, 1947 or 12 9 December 1947? A diehard editor (talk | edits) 15:59, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Ooh good point. Today I was reading lots of content focused on US readers or topics:) DMacks (talk) 20:43, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Can another editor just randomly remove editions so long as they're not articles from your own page

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Sir Philip Sidney Peonydanvers (talk) 21:53, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

@Peonydanvers: Welcome to the Teahouse! Could you please elaborate on what you mean by "remove editions"? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 21:59, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Please read BRD, Peonydanvers. Any editor may remove material if they think it does not belong in an article. Any other editor may disagree, and revert their edit. If they still think it does not belong, it is then their duty to open a discussion, with the aim of developing a consensus on what should be in the article.

I have no idea what you mean by "as long as they're not articles from your own page" - unless you are referring to the fact that it is not consdered proper to edit another user's User page. ColinFine (talk) 22:20, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

I mean things that the person has added to the page and edited themselves, hence editions but could be termed additions as well — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peonydanvers (talk • contribs)

If we're talking to a discussion, then as long as nobody has replied to or referenced it a person is free to remove it. (If it has been responded to, striking it with <s></s> is preferred).

If we're talking an article, self-reversion is always allowed.

If we're talking something on that user's own talk or user page, they can remove literally everything from the page barring declined unblock requests. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 22:23, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Peonydanvers. Back in 2020, you added a claim to Philip Sidney that he inspired the song Love Letters in the Sand, but did not provide a reference to a reliable source. The song article does not mention this, and another editor removed it as unreferenced. Cullen328 (talk) 22:58, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Note: reported userpage on ANI due to the fact it's just a dumb ass rant targeting the staff of Wikipedia. User had been suddenly getting angry at others for no reason. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 12:34, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

The issue here appears to be unacceptable content you have put on your User page and other editors have removed. See WP:UP for what is permitted and what is not. This has been made clear to you on your Talk page, so no benefit in raising (however vaguely) the question here. P.S. Original research is forbidden. Ditto "having wisdom to offer." David notMD (talk) 00:28, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

See also the meaning of edition. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:31, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

If two sources have different opinionated POVs

I was looking to add information to Abraham a Sancta Clara from his Encyclopaedia Judaica entry. Sancta Clara's article is overwhelmingly positive and in praise of him, and links to the Catholic Encyclopedia (and also the Chambers Biographical Dictionary, which is probably a reliable source). On the other hand, the Judaica entry describes him as an "anti-Jewish propagandist." These two encyclopedias specifically serve two different religions, so, should I add the info from Judaica in or just leave it? — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 04:11, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

This is a great question. When reliable sources vary (and historic biographical sources frequently disagree), it's sometimes best to utilize the source's voice. It would be acceptable style for an editor to say something vaguely like this: "Nikolaus Scheid, in his article on the cleric in Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume 1 says X, Y, and Z,[cite] whereas the Encyclopaedia Judaica entry for the subject describes him as A, B, and C."[cite] Obviously a better construction can be created given specifics. Adding a differing viewpoint when most sources seem overwhelmingly positive is often a very important contribution to make, especially when all the sources seem to meet WP:RS. Local talk consensus may disagree with the insertion, but such addition certainly deserves appropriate consideration. BusterD (talk) 04:51, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Transclusion across different Wikipedia domains

Hello expert Wikipedians! Very new here. I am trying to transclude across different Wikipedia domains to have the same userpage in Wikipedia, WikipediaOutreach, WIkimediaCommons, etc. Is that possible? Thank you! CorradoNai (talk) 06:05, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

@CorradoNai If you simply want to create a m:global user page, just go to m:User:CorradoNai and add some content; it will be displayed on any wiki where you haven't specified a user page. Interwiki transclusion itself is a whole nother ball game. If you're curious, take a look at mw:Manual:$wgEnableScaryTranscluding, T11890, or T121470 for a little more information. I'm not aware that it's officially supported on any Wikimedia wiki yet. Shells-shells (talk) 06:52, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

$wgEnableScaryTranscluding seems to be off for the english Wikipedia, if one can trust Special:Interwiki. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:02, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Removal of birth data

Hi, I'm not sure if I am in the right area but I have a question regarding a user routinely deleting birth details from biographies of living subjects and citing WP:DOB in the notes. As I discovered with their edit to Cliff Richard, that particular rule was completely irrelevant.

I started a discussion with the user to try and understand their reasoning and they subsequently cited WP:BLP and stated "If the DOB is widely known, then add it back with a WP:RS supporting it as a WP:CITE." Therefore, the basis for removing the birth details appears to be the lack of a citation instead of privacy concerns.

Are these types of edits warranted? TedRoach (talk) 05:03, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

@TedRoach, assuming we are talking about edits like [2], IMO that is fine, I do similar edits myself (actually I wondered if this was about me). WP:BLP states

"Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—must be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion."

Add WP:DOB to that and such dates should not be reinserted without a BLP-good source, which seems to have happened here. DOB:s are not mandatory in any way, we can do without. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:41, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

I would argue that there is nothing contentious about Cliff Richard's DOB as it is widely referenced on the internet. Obviously, it is best practice to use a citation on Wikipedia. It seems petty to me to remove valid data and obfuscate the matter by quoting an irrelevant rule as justification. Maybe that's just me! Thanks for your reply. TedRoach (talk) 07:05, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

The problem is that DoB often is a controversial claim itself due to outside pressures, especially in circmstances where someone's age is grounds to be denied work. It doesn't matter if it's "widely referenced on the internet"; if it doesn't have a source it should be removed. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 07:16, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

It's not uncommon for misinformation to be widely reproduced on the internet. Toddst1 removed the claimed birthdate (whether true or false), with the reason "WP:DOB again!" WB:DOB states "Wikipedia includes full names and dates of birth that have been widely published by reliable sources, or by sources linked to the subject such that it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object to the details being made public." If you're saying that this date of birth has been widely published by reliable sources, then readd it, complete with a reliable source. (Or two or three, if you wish.) If you saying that the sources aren't reliable but that their unreliability doesn't matter, please explain here why it doesn't matter. (Expect a sceptical reaction.) And of course if I misunderstand your objection, please explain. -- Hoary (talk) 07:19, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång, @Jéské Couriano and @Hoary I appreciate your replies as I'm just trying to get my head around the Wikipedia rules. Although I have been a minor editor for a number of years, I've never deeply concerned myself with the guidelines; thankfully my handful of edits have never attracted any drama.

I only came upon the Cliff Richard edit as I wanted to know when he was born and was surprised that the information wasn't listed. A look at the edit history revealed that there had been a bit of argy-bargy with his DOB. TedRoach (talk) 07:57, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Vandalism

I keep seeing vandalised pages on wikipedia??? 86.98.21.175 (talk) 06:48, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, most articles and other pages can be edited by anyone with an internet connection, so it happens. Various counter-measures are in place and generally works well, but they are not perfect. More at Wikipedia:Risk disclaimer. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:54, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

If editors keep the articles they've edited on their Watchlist (permanently), they should be able to see all changes, and be able to detect any vandalism immediately, right? Why would any other counter-measures be needed? -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 07:14, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Well, for example there are bots who do quite a bit. Also, en-WP has 6,548,783 articles and 116,809 active editors, so there is a non-zero possibility that people could miss stuff, and editors leave. "Be able to" =/= "do". I have reverted year-old vandalism. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:36, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Sadly, it ranges from unnecessary joke edits to people posting WP:MADEUP information. You can report some people only if they repeatedly vandalize articles. Unless it's really bad, like if someone repeatedly IP hops to vandalize pages, report to the WP:ANI. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 09:46, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Forgot to link the page, it's Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. Use it only if they're an active vandal. Otherwise, some random IPs just go and make Arthur a Xilam property or something (not joking), publish their edit, repeat, then just... leave.

People just don't check IPs in sockpuppet investigations as other people could potentially use the same IP. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 09:49, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

And by "not joking", I mean... I've seen some IPs vandalize stuff like Lilybuds and Digby Dragon to say it's a slapstick cartoon by Xilam. Yeah, I don't even know either. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 09:50, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

As much as you're not active, you may check out WP:VANDAL if you've IP-hopped elsewhere. Sorry I confused you with another IP user, by the way (see history) - I've removed my comment, but I'll give you a tip as compensation. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 08:55, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Question about contributing to type of pages

Hello, I had a question about what kind of pages I can contribute to. I usually do topics like index, surveys, climate, country rankings in various reports, research reports, citizenship, passport etc.. Today, while editing a page OECD - https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/OECD, I navigated to Mathias Cormann - https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Mathias_Cormann. I added the same citation on his page too as it was common for OECD and Mathias Cormann. Since, I don't usually do for people, I was in two minds if I should do add the citation on the page or not. But, as per what i had read in WP:BRD, when in doubt, edit the page. So, I made an edit on the page by adding the citation. My question is that am I only supposed to make edits to one type of page (like index etc..) or I can make to different kind of pages too? Thank you. ANLgrad (talk) 04:57, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

@ANLgrad I believe you can edit any page so long as you are not breaking any guidelines or polices and are verifying your edits with reliable sources. Blanchey (talk) 07:29, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

@Blanchey thank you for letting me know. I am careful in editing and just wanted to know this before editing any other pages that are about people. ANLgrad (talk) 13:35, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

I don't fully understand your question, ANLgrad. Yes, you can edit articles that are unlike articles you've previously edited. The edit you're asking about is this one. It appears to provide a reference for the assertion, already in the "infobox", that Cormann was born in Eupen, Liège, Belgium. Your reference is this SMH article, which does not say that he was born there (but merely that he was born in Belgium). So no, you may not make edits such as this: they're deceptive. -- Hoary (talk) 07:37, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

The text of the article also says he was born in Eupen. This is sourced to a page that currently is given over to something about Australia's late Queen. A version saying that Cormann was born in Eupen is available here. -- Hoary (talk) 10:21, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary thank you. That is useful insight. I will keep your points in mind while editing. I was basically trying to understand if I can edit articles that are unlike articles that I have edited previously. Understood. Thank you. ANLgrad (talk) 13:38, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Autofilling edit summaries

Hi, I just had a quick question about edit summaries. When typing out an edit summary, it will provide autofill suggestions based on all the past edit summaries that I have used. As you can imagine, this has gotten rather cluttered, and I was just wondering if there is any way to clear out those autofill suggestions on the Wikipedia side. Clearing my browser history/cache has proved ineffective, though it is always possible that this is just something that needs to be resolved in the technology on my end. Thanks in advance for any and all help. TNstingray (talk) 17:05, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

@TNstingray This is likely to be a feature of your browser, rather than Wikipedia. I use MS Edge and can delete individual summaries that are no longer relevant by hovering over them, when a trash icon appears. Or I can delete the lot by hovering over an "X" to the top right of the list. Other Chrome-based browsers should be similar. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:23, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Yeah I guess that means it's on my end. I'm not seeing that option for my browser, but thank you for weighing in anyway. TNstingray (talk) 19:41, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

@TNstingray. If it's any help, in FireFox (in Windows) you can simply highlight the relevant autofill suggestion and then hit the DEL key. I do this all the time. Mike Marchmont (talk) 17:20, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion. I use Chrome so it must be something wrong with the autofill function because I don't see any of these highlight or delete options. Oh well, I guess it is just something I will have to live with. TNstingray (talk) 20:10, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

@TNstingray Chrome Settings lets you turn autofill on and off. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 09:07, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Yeah I don't know exactly what the problem is. I've turned it on and off, and I've entirely cleared the "Autofill form data" under Advanced "Clear browsing data". That signed me out of everything, so after getting all of that resolved I just did a minor edit and it hadn't changed anything. I sincerely appreciate everyone who has weighed in, but I don't know of anything else that can be done unless I completely switch browsers. TNstingray (talk) 13:16, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

The article was rejected ?

Why was my article rejected at Article for creation? My article : Draft:Phusanu Wongsavanischakorn

I have correctly inserted the trusted data source. ( Website of Thailand ) Why was it rejected? What do I need to do in order for my article to be published? Do I have to refer only to English-language websites? Please ,guide me. Thanks you. BBOS Srpdwch (talk) 13:19, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

BBOS Srpdwch Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I can say that sources do not need to be in English. 331dot (talk) 13:26, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Phusanu Wongsavanischakorn A diehard editor (talk | edits) 13:29, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

BBOS Srpdwch, the draft is not adequately supported by reliable sources, as mentioned by the declining reviewer. If you can find reliable sources that meet the requirements of WP:NPERSON, the draft might be accepted. Sungodtemple (talk) 13:47, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

@BBOS Srpdwch Not only are there flaws with the references used, the article has multiple grammar errors. As such, I recommend consulting fluent English speakers. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 14:19, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

The article has flawed formatting as well. Bold goes in the first paragraph, not in any other sections. Furthermore, Thai titles do not have English translations noted. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 14:21, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Princess Omowunmi Agunbiade

The article was moved back to draft and the draftifying reviewer asked that I incubate the article and then submit for a review. Suggestions on what to do next would be appreciated also contributions to the Draft:Princess Omowunmi Agunbiade Charlesvet88 (talk) 20:44, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Charlesvet88, you need to gather sources to establish notability. Since Agunbiade is living, there are higher standards for notability, see WP:BLP. Sungodtemple (talk) 20:52, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Note: Charlesvet was blocked for being someone's sockpuppet. As such, I have sent them the essays on unblocking and sockpuppetry. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 14:27, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Is it a good idea to nominate a Start-class article to GA immedietely?

An article I submitted to AfC was assessed as Start-class, but I want to nominate for GA. I'm pretty sure I've used all of the sources on the subject available. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 11:23, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

I see that you have created three articles to date (two rated Start), and raised a different article to GA. Do you really believe that one of the Start articles is not only comprehensive, but also important enough and will have a viewing audience large enough to warrant your efforts and a reviewer's efforts to bring it to GA? Given that the Start articles were created on 28 August and 10 September of this year, I recommend you hold off on a GA consideration for at least six months - to see what other editors contribute - and then if no other significant addition, perhaps raise to C-class and stop there. David notMD (talk) 12:16, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Onof of the requirements at Wikipedia:Good article criteria is Stability. While your Start-rated articles may not be at risk for major changes or content disputes, I again suggest waiting at least a couple of months before nominating for GA. Both of the Start articles are quite short, but there does not appear to be a requirement for minimum length. David notMD (talk) 13:01, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

I was talking about this specifically. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 13:05, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

I didn't understand the third sentence. Doug butler (talk) 13:11, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Do you mean, "I'm pretty sure I've used all of the sources on the subject available."? @Doug butler — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 13:18, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

No, I was wondering what a GA was like, as I've never started one, so started reading and found the structure of the sentence rather convoluted and beyond my understanding. Doug butler (talk) 13:29, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

@Vortex3427: I think Doug meant that he didn't understand (as I also do not) the third sentence of the article: "He was consulted by many, including most Madras trading companies by his close friend, Thomas Pitt, the Governor of Fort St. George." There seems to be some mix-up there. Should it be "He was consulted by most Madras trading companies, as well as by his close friend ..." or similar? Deor (talk) 15:17, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Expanding article with poor sources

I’m looking to expand Muisca raft. I’m starting by reviewing existing references. There are currently 6, and in my opinion they’re not great. I’ve left a message on the talk page with my concerns. Could someone who is more experienced double check my assessment of those 6 references?

More generally, I often encounter situations like these when trying to get started on an article. Since I don’t yet have a clue, I’m a bit hesitant to do big sweeping things without first discussing it on the talk page. However, the talk page is empty so I’m not sure another human is going to look at it. In the future, is there a better way to get things jump started rather than bothering people at the Teahouse, perhaps somehow bring attention to the talk page? Do I ping other editors who have worked on the article (but maybe not for a long while)? Do I wait a few days to see if I get a response? Or should I just be bold and do it. Thank you in advance for your advice. GuineaPigC77 (talk) 20:21, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

You can simply go ahead and do your big sweeping things. In your place, I'd might well signal my intentions on the talk page and wait until I got a response, or for one week, whichever came sooner. But I might not. -- Hoary (talk) 22:15, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you @Hoary that's helpful guidance! GuineaPigC77 (talk) 22:19, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Another possibility is to see if there is a suitable WikiProject (eg WP:WikiProject South America, or you might find a more appropriate one) and ask on the talk page there - don't duplicate your discussion, just invite people to join the discussion you've already started. ColinFine (talk) 22:23, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, good idea. I'd have suggested the same thing myself, if I hadn't been operating on insufficient sleep, caffeine, or both. -- Hoary (talk) 22:38, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Ahhh perfect, that makes a lot of sense. I will do that first. GuineaPigC77 (talk) 22:39, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Citation in a foreign language

When using a citation in a foreign language, do I have to transliterate the name of the author to English and translate the title to English as well? I've tried looking up the rules for it but I could not find any concrete answers. Many thanks Jaguarnik (talk) 22:55, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Rules aside, it would be helpful if you provided the information in the original language and script, and also the author's name transliterated into roman script and an English translation of the title. If it's a book or journal, then also a roman transliteration of the title, because a library might have it catalogued in roman script alone. What I find particularly unhelpful and annoying are editors' English translations that give the impression that the actual title is in English, whereas it isn't. Template:Cite book and the others have over the years become well designed for the helpful presentation of necessarily complex bibliographical information. -- Hoary (talk) 23:08, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Accidentally created article as ARTICLE and not as Draft

So, I tried to create an article draft Draft:Ben Harrison (snooker player). I didn't realize I could directly make articles, without them first being drafts. I moved the Ben Harrison (snooker player) page to a draft, but there's now a redirect that shouldn't exist. How do I delete the Ben Harrison (snooker player) redirect to Draft:Ben Harrison (snooker player)?

TypistMonkey (talk) TypistMonkey (talk) 03:43, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @TypistMonkey, welcome to the teahouse! I've tagged it for deletion under {{R2}}. Justiyaya 03:56, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

How to handle an article that fails WP:HOWTRANS

Hello Teahouse, I have a moral conundrum to deal with and I ask for your help.

I saw an article translated from a non-English Wikipedia article. At first glance, it might seem like a spectacular, extremely well-edited, long, and detailed article on art and history. After an evaluation, however, it is clear that, by the standards of the English Wikipedia, the original article was full of problems, which were imported into the English version:

• Neutral tone is often absent: for the most part the article sounds like an essay. It contains many peacock terms.
• Unsubstantiated hypotheses abound: "maybe" and "probably" are frequent.
• Most statements and claims are unsourced. Almost all sources are not in English and some do not even support what it's written in the article.

Simply put, the article fails WP:HOWTRANS badly.

My moral conundrum is: it is clear that the editor has put his heart and blood into creating a long article that would be very difficult to "fix". The essay tone is so pervasive that extensive rewriting and research of good sources may be needed. Can you suggest a way to handle this situation without causing trauma to the poor editor? ► LowLevel73 ^(talk) 21:09, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

LowLevel73, a summary of what you just said: An inexperienced, good faith editor spent a lot of time making an article that does not comply with Wikipedia standards. I would just tell the editor what the right thing is to do, and help them write the article if needed. Sungodtemple (talk) 22:20, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

It is difficult. But really, the editor's position is no different from any of the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of novice editors who put heart and soul into writing new drafts that have no chance of being accepted. They almost always unwittingly rely on OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, as does this editor. ColinFine (talk) 22:16, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply, @ColinFine. I think that the good information in the article might be recoverable, if written in an acceptable form. Would it be a good solution to explain to the author what the problems are and propose a move to Draft? ► LowLevel73 ^(talk) 23:18, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Is it in Article space? Immediately move it to draftspace, and then explain it. It would be helpful if you could provide a link to the article. Sungodtemple (talk) 01:12, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Sungodtemple, thanks for the answer, the article was in mainspace. After a thorough evaluation of the sources, needed to explain to the author the reason of the move, I have draftified it. ► LowLevel73 ^(talk) 12:32, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

@LowLevel73 Yes, that is a good-faith start, but it needs work. Along with the tone that you mention, I see weird word choices (and some non-words like "filiation") from this (most likely) non-native-English speaker. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 09:13, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

I think the text and tone can be fixed without too much trouble, but I decided on draftifying mainly because of its sources or lack thereof. Most statements are unsourced and a large percentage of existing sources are generic ones that cover a topic but do not confirm what the article states, failing to WP:V. Even WP:RS is often absent, in a serious way, as in "self-published-blog-mixing-art-post-with-poker-and-gambling" serious. I'll try to help the editor. ► LowLevel73 ^(talk) 11:50, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

@LowLevel73 That would be great. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 04:03, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Notability criteria

What is the notability criteria of a Mentalist? കോട്ടയംകാരൻ (talk) 04:50, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, കോട്ടയംകാരൻ. Either WP:NPERSON or WP:NENTERTAINER. Cullen328 (talk) 04:58, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

We do not have a special notability criteria for mentalists. WP:NPERSON and WP:NENTERTAINER apply, as has been said by @Cullen328. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 06:26, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

@കോട്ടയംകാരൻ Having proved their talents under strictly controlled conditions with third-party observers? No, probably not. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 04:08, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Advice on how can I leave Wikipedia

Hello! May I ask on how can I retire my wikipedia account permanently? Because after all, I wanted to retire as an editor or contributor in March 2020 but it was delayed due to the restrictions as a precaution as well as the depression I experienced due to the pandemic, that's why I'm asking you for a favor on how I can leave my account permanently and how can I get out of this website. I also apologize if I disturbed what you did. Thank you very much! RenRen070193 (talk) 11:33, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

@RenRen070193: simply put {{retired}} at the top of your user page, or if you wish to no longer be associated with this account, request courtesy vanishing. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 11:37, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

No, it's fine! This is what the Teahouse is for, some people step in at any time - you aren't interrupting anything. Also, refer to lettherebedarklight's reply. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 12:33, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

@RenRen070193 Accounts cannot be deleted or closed. If you want to stop editing here you simply need to abandon your account - remove any email addresses from the preferences and scramble the password. If you are in good standing (i.e. no active sanctions) you can also request courtesy vanishing. Make sure that you definitely do not ever want to edit here again before removing your email and scrambling your password - it is not possible to reset it without an email. 192.76.8.74 (talk) 12:47, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Note: 192.76.8.74 probbably meant to link to WP:VANISH. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:54, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt I did indeed, fixed. 192.76.8.74 (talk) 16:01, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

@RenRen070193 If any of that seems daunting, simply walk away and don't log in to your account any more. But scrambling you password, at least, is safer. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 04:12, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Is there a reference template for citing a song

I am trying to add a reference for a song. I found an image of the back of the album/CD cover with who wrote the lyrics and music, the publisher (record company), the producer, year, track number, etc. I cant find a reference template for this purpose. Any suggestions? Absolutely Certainly (talk) 23:56, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Absolutely Certainly. I believe you'll find what you need by using Template:Cite AV media. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:21, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

I tried it out. Unfortunately it does not create a numbered citation that redirects to the references section. It adds a long list of all the information directly into the text of the article. It is also awkward to use as I had to add all the parameters myself. When I made a mistake adding a parameter, there was no way to undo that single mistake. I had to restart from from the beginning each time. Absolutely Certainly (talk) 02:27, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

@Absolutely Certainly: When using {{Cite AV media}}, were you also using the <ref>...</ref> tags? If you could provide a link to the article (or to your diff), we could provide better assistance for you. GoingBatty (talk) 02:41, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I was able to find better references to solve the problem Absolutely Certainly (talk) 04:13, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Article Review

Hi. I have created a draft which is waiting to be reviewed since 4-5 weeks. The article has got significant coverage in multiple channels like Gulf News and Khaleej Times which are top news channels in Gulf region. I will be very grateful if you can review the draft. I have already made changes and removed content which seems irrelevant. The draft link is attached Draft:Emirates Draw. Thanks Fifthapril (talk) 12:21, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Fifthapril Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. As noted on your draft, "This may take 4 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 2,337 pending submissions waiting for review." Please be patient. I have fixed your link, we don't need the whole url when linking to another article or draft on Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 12:47, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I am patient but just wanted to use this platform to get feedback on how to speed up the review process. Thanks again :) Fifthapril (talk) 20:37, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Fifthapril, the page is overly positive about the lottery. The short description calls it 'popular' and the Coral Reef Resoration Programme section says it is 'socially responsible' - both of which are not sourced. Sungodtemple (talk) 13:14, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate it. It might look overly positive about lottery because the article is about an organization who manages lotteries. Still I tried to create it in "neutral tone" with the help of references. Few more references has been added to the "Coral Reef Restoration Programme section" as per your feedback. Thanks again :) Fifthapril (talk) 20:41, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Just note that article is quite short and doesn't seem to have sufficient detail for a full article; at its current state, it probably won't pass AfC. Additionally, the article seems to have a Wikipedia:PROMOTIONAL tone and reads sorta like an ad e.g. prominently listing raffle prizes, phrases like "supports teams of experienced divers and passionate volunteers." — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 13:16, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

There are a lot of Wikipedia articles about lotteries (I am not comparing my article with them because every topic is different but still) which are too short with little information and almost zero references for example, Hrvatska Lutrija, Barbados Lottery, Magnum Berhad. I tried to keep my article short because adding information like "How to Play" or "Where to Watch" can sound promotional. And I have removed the phrase "supports teams of experienced divers and passionate volunteers" as per your feedback. Thanks again, I appreciate it :) Fifthapril (talk) 20:53, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Fifthapril, and welcome to the Teahouse. I've only looked at the first four references, but none of them is independent of the orgsnisers of the draw. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. Unless you can find some such independent sources, the lottery is not (at present) notable, and no Wikipedia article is possible.

I suspect that you are trying to get things moving because of the draw on 25 September. Please note that WP:there is no deadline. Wikipedia is not here to publicise the lottery. ColinFine (talk) 15:56, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback. I really appreciate it:). There are plenty of independent references available [1], [2], [3], [4], [5] and many more.

And referring to your suspicion, I am not trying to influence anyone to publish the article ASAP. I just posted my query here because it was pending for review since last 4-5 weeks and just wanted to get feedback on how to improve the article and how to speed up the review process. Thanks again for your feedback. Fifthapril (talk) 21:54, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

@Fifthapril and hosts... Why would a reader consult an encyclopedia to find out information about a lottery? It seems like a weird subject for an encyclopedia. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 04:21, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Citing news sources from a website that are not 'newspapers' like CNN or BBC

When adding a citation from a news source from a website that are not 'newspapers' like CNN or BBC does it make a difference whether I use the 'news' or 'web' citation? Is one preferred over the other? Absolutely Certainly (talk) 22:09, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Absolutely Certainly, and welcome to the Teahouse. The choice is simply in which template you are using: neither word appears in the finished article. They have slightly different arguments, tuned to their different primary purposes; but if both of them have the arguments you need, then take your pick. ColinFine (talk) 22:25, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

@Absolutely Certainly: I mostly just wanted to say Thank you so much for asking, because citations are the fundamental underpinning of WP, and yet, they're entered in what is essentially an ad hoc fashion. There are so many rules about WP pages, but in this one area of highly-structured data, it's entered every which way (and it's how it's entered that matters ... the way it should work is that the editor enters the appropriate data, leaving it to the template to figure out how it gets displayed!) Anyway, I'm going to stop now because otherwise, I would go into a multi-thousand word rant. Fabrickator (talk) 22:45, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

If I understand you, (and Colin) it doesn't matter which one I choose as long as I enter as much appropriate data in the template I choose. Absolutely Certainly (talk) 23:07, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

@Absolutely Certainly: The correct answer is that it mostly doesn't matter, but I would argue that it's good practice to use parameters that best describe the source. FWIW, I am using the form that comes up from within the source editor. This only offers a few of the {{cite}} templates, i.e. web, news, book, and journal. Then generally I will adjust the parameter names. For instance, if you use cite news, it might use the work parameter (I don't remember for sure, but this is amore generic term). But I might change it to newspaper (after doing insert) just to have it be more descriptive. In particular, if it's actually a press release, I'll change it from "cite web" to "cite press release" (which then adds "press release" following the title). As to your specific question about newspapers, if the source is a web site for a "traditional newspaper", then I'll use "cite news" and change "work=" to "newspaper=", if it's the online version of a "traditional magazine", then I will change it "cite magazine" and "magazine=". So in many cases, they only affect what somebody using the source editor sees and have no effect on what's displayed, it's the fairly exceptional case as with "press release" that it affects what's displayed when viewing the article rather than editing it, but the fact is that this is mostly just a matter of personal preference. Fabrickator (talk) 02:02, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! That was very helpful. FYI, in 'cite news' the parameter to change is 'type'. In 'cite web' the parameter to change is 'work'. Absolutely Certainly (talk) 04:45, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

About my page's formal tone

Hello and hope you are doing great

My name is Khalid and i was creating a page as a draft and then submitted it and it was declined because of the Tone it was not formal

Then i edited the page and now i want to know if it is suitable or is it still not a formal tone

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Mohammed_S._Gaber_(actor) This is the page.

I would be glad if you can give me your opinions and advices on it if it is not formal and natural still... KH (talk) 09:59, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

FYI: here's an easier link for context (poster made this draft): Draft:Mohammed S. Gaber (actor). WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 11:08, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

We have a better template called {{Courtesy link}}, by the way. It looks like:  Courtesy link: Draft:Mohammed S. Gaber (actor) A diehard editor (talk | edits) 14:13, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

@A diehard editor Thank you for telling me! I'll keep note of that. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 14:17, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

@Khalid Bin Abdulaziz Hello there, I am doing great thanks! Hope you are too. I looked at the page and it seems as though someone has since declined the request for creation (or this was the original decline). To improve the article, I would recommend backing content up with reliable sources and writing in a neutral tone. Perhaps the reviewer felt that your tone wasn’t neutral (maybe they thought you writing from a fans perspective etc)… I hope you are able to improve your article and it is successfully published! Feel free to ask more should you need too. :-) Blanchey (talk) 10:11, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind message, I would really be pleased and appreciate it if you can give it a 5 minutes read from your own time and actually see if ti not from a neutral point of view. Also thank you for the tip on the sources i will definitely add more reliable sources to it and will continue editing it.

Yes this is the original decline. KH (talk) 10:18, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Let's look at one paragraph of Draft:Mohammed S. Gaber (actor), KH. Before gaining fame, Samir Gaber was just a normal guy who wanted to diversify his income with stuff that he liked to do. This led to him becoming popular and well known across most of the cities of Saudi Arabia. Mohammed Samir Gaber loves what he does which is the main reason behind his creativity and success. He pursued those fields in which he had an interest which led him to become a successful person and excel at the things he does. This is sourced to

Hamdan, Ali (2018-06-21). "Quality Of Life After Dose Escalation in Palliative Radiotherapy In Brain Secondaries". South Valley University.

Call me lazy if you wish, but I'm not going to look at that reference, because I cannot believe that a master's thesis (for that's what it is!) so titled would confirm that anyone, before they gained fame, "was just a normal guy who wanted to diversify his income with stuff that he liked to do". Where are the actual sources for this paragraph? -- Hoary (talk) 10:31, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the word i really understood the point, i am glad i asked the question because you guys helped me understand and yes that citation was a mistake it should not be on that place. Thank you again. I will start reading more and getting more information about editing before actually creating an article thank you again. KH (talk) 10:41, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, KH, and welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia. I appreciate that you are keen to contribute to Wikipedia, but I always advise new editors to spent a few months making small improvements to some of our six million existing articles, and learning how Wikipedia works. before trying the very difficult task of creating a new article.

Draft:Mohammed S. Gaber (actor) does indeed have problems with tone (the first paragraph tells us that he is a Sudanese actor From Sudan ... He Is a Sudanese-Born Voice Actor ... Gaber is a Sudanese voice actor - there is other text in between that I have omitted, but do you see that this repetition does not make for easy reading?

But a far more serious problem is the sourcing. Looking at your first few sources: iMDB is not a reliable source (because much of it is user generated) and should almost never be cited in a Wikipedia article. "Google search" is unhelpful as a citation - which is the specific source you want to cite, and (importantly) who published it? Instagram and other social media should rarely be cited because they are in general not reliable sources. (That's as far as I got).

Please read and study NACTOR and WP:YFA. But I earnestly suggest that you put aside writing about Gaber for the moment, and get some experience in editing existing articles. ColinFine (talk) 10:32, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

I really appreciate your advice and i will definitely start on that by learning more and gain more experience in editing existing articles. I do understand all your points and i thank you a lot for your words. KH (talk) 10:39, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm not an expert (refer to what others have said), so I can give you these: WP:SOURCING and WP:Your first article (if it is your first article). Anyway, welcome to Wikipedia! WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 11:10, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Also, consider WP:NEUTRAL and fixing grammar and capitalization. Articles are Not Typed Out Like This in Wikipedia Necessarily, so I suggest getting something like Grammarly and/or getting someone to help - there's a lot of capitalization issues in the draft. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 11:13, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

I did some editing to bring it closer to Wikipedia style, but you need to address all the flawed references before resubmitting. David notMD (talk) 11:57, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Oh, good catch. Thank you, by the way! WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 14:15, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

@WannurSyafiqah74, @Khalid Bin Abdulaziz Grammarly can occasionally suggest erroneous "corrections", so it needs to be used carefully. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 04:17, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Grammarly is a waste of money anyway. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 07:09, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

@A diehard editor Didn't know that for years. Well, I might as well change my mind - removing mentions of those from my recent comments, too! WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 09:28, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

I tried grammarly once, it was a bad experience. Yes they fixed grammar and spelling but they wanted me to pay for writing improvement suggestions and more features. No thanks, I'd rather donate to the Wikimedia Foundation because their website is a website I actually have a use for, and I edit it regularly anyway. Can't wait to see Criticism of Grammarly. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 10:10, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Joe Mauer (baseball player)

Hello. Having problems with an edit. Go to Joe Mauer, career statistics section, reference #77. I cant hook it up to the top performances section of Retrosheet.org for Joe Mauer, wont link up. Please fix. Thank you.Theairportman33531 (talk) 11:32, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Please disregard this request. Fixed the problem.Theairportman33531 (talk) 12:22, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done

On Extended confirmed protection

Hi, I noticed something that sparked a question in me: it seems that my own, personal edits on my .css for the Vector skin add up to the count of the edits I made overall on the site. Since the ECP requires at least 500, wouldn't it be just absurdly trivial to reach such a number just by editing compulsively one single page, most of all a user one? I must have misunderstood how the protection works... Farosullascogliera (talk) 21:12, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Short answer, yes. Long answer, yes, but gaming ECP is grounds to have the userright revoked or one's account blocked entirely. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 21:14, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Welp, please keep it in mind if somehow I reach that number of edits on my User space without meaning to, I have no intention to fool (game) the system! I tend to hit "save" compulsively without thinking about it, I should watch myself in the future... Farosullascogliera (talk) 13:26, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

@Farosullascogliera That is called gaming the system, see the section gaming of permissions. Getting extended confirmed in that manner will result in the right being revoked (any administrator can add or remove extended confirmed from an account). 192.76.8.74 (talk) 21:55, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for drawing people's attention to your history of "contributions". -- Hoary (talk) 22:33, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Paid editing user

How is Paid editing user recognized? give me some 10-12 examples PravinGanechari (talk) 12:03, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

PravinGanechari Paid editing is recognized when someone makes overly promotional edits. Often they are also sockpuppets. Sungodtemple (talk) 12:39, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

It's not clear what you're asking, ProvinGanechan. One answer is that you can recognise a paid editor by going to their User page and see if they have made a paid editing disclosure. But, as Sungodtemple focussed on, sometimes paid editors do not disclose - either because they are knowingly trying to misuse Wikipedia for promotion (in which case they may indeed use sockpuppets) or because, like most people, they simply don't understand what Wikipedia is, and think that editing about their business or their client is completely normal.

As for how to regcognise their editing: if there were an easy answer to that, it would be less of a problem. I doubt that there is any heuristic that will distinguish been paid and unpaid promotional editing. But you'll probably find WP:IBA useful. ColinFine (talk) 13:13, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for giving the information PravinGanechari (talk) 13:44, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

How to tell if a section is too long?

Before I make hasty edits to a WP I want to know if the edits I will make are logical. Thus:

Is the Kaleidoscope Eyes (2019- present) section of this page too long? Maccore Henni user talk Respond using tb, please. 15:55, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

I would most likely split it to have Singles (2021- present) as the final section Maccore Henni user talk Respond using tb, please. 15:56, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Donald 1st

I have learned to interpret the Pict Stones, and am still trying to work out the sequence of events that caused the Picts to go into hiding. I can see all the Pict families that were opposed to Kenneth McAlpin and am still in a quandary about Donald as My Family are the ones that seem to hold the Stories about the event that caused the Picts to go into hiding out of Sheer Fear for their lives at the hands Of Kenneth. To Solve this question would answer a lot of problems on Scottish lineage. Bagsy b (talk) 06:18, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

This isn't something us Wikipedians can help with. You need to contact scholars who have studied the Picts. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 06:34, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Bagsy b. Family stories about things that happened 40 or 50 generations ago are of negligible value. Cullen328 (talk) 15:58, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Spanish language article

I recently wrote Leyendas Legendarias. Should the title be in Spanish as "Leyendas Legendarias" or in English as "Legendary Legends"? TipsyElephant (talk) 14:52, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, TipsyElephant. It seems to me that the sources call it Leyendas Legendarias, so by COMMONNAME that's what the article should be called. But I think the English translation should be given in the first line of the text. ColinFine (talk) 15:26, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

@ColinFine: do you think a redirect would also be appropriate? TipsyElephant (talk) 16:19, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

If you think the English name has any currency, so there is any chance that people might look it up by the English name, sure. Redirects are cheap. ColinFine (talk) 16:52, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Undid edits

I fixed some misspelled words, someone undid it and told me to go here

edits:

favour -> favor funnelled -> funneled travellers -> travelers programme -> program link to edit

I just want to know why did it appear unconstructive and had to be undone.

Segnos (talk) 18:21, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi Segnos, thank you for asking. It appears that you changed the spellings of those words from British English to American English. Generally, on articles for locations (or just articles in general) it is suggested that you continue to use the spellings of words based on how the rest of the article is written. Since River Severn is located in England, it is suggested that you use the British English spelling of words like favour, programme, etc. ― TUNA × 18:25, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

@Segnos, you may want to take a look at WP:ENGVAR, which goes over how the various national varieties of English are used on Wikipedia. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:29, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Parodies

Should parodies and even the entire lyrics sheet of a parody be listed on the article for a historically important song? Say for instance, the German National Anthem, would it be acceptable to list racist parodies referring to Nazi's on the same article page? It seems crazy to allow this sort of thing. I could understand perhaps a link to a separate article about the parody if it were considered important enough to deserve it's own article. Bearcingetorix (talk) 21:38, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Do you have an actual example? It depends on other things. It might be acceptable to list notable parodies of a song, and even its lyrics, if it's significant enough. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 21:44, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

This seems to have been prompted by the "Abolitionist version" on America (My Country, 'Tis of Thee). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:48, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Ah I see, well it looks like it was previously discussed on the Talk Page, and a next step might be a noticeboard or an RfC to get more outside opinions. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 21:54, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

I think it is as you say, one thing to list notable songs, but I must say, there are likely dozens of notable parodies of America's Anthem. In fact there are a list of songs on that page that use the same melody and links to each. This appears to be a political protesttaking place on this articles page however. Bearcingetorix (talk) 22:04, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

New member in needs of some human guidance

Hello Teahouse community and team, First of all, sorry for some english mistake, I'm from Brasil so, this is my secondary language, and secondly, thanks a lot for reading my message, I'm always using Wiki to study and I was surprised when I could not find a company from a city next to mine that is the biggest brazilian company in WordPress development field (Visualmodo), so I decided to add some notes about this company here, Brazil is not very famous in web development field so I think that such a company deserves some mention to be competing with such big ones form America, however I'm total newbie and have my initial draf declined (what makes total sense hahaha). can someone give me some guidance? I'm always read from Wiki but never wrote to it so I'm really exited with this experience. I'm not linked to the company but they gave courses of php for childrens of a community of my city and helped a friend of mine (I think that in English this is called shantytown) Best regards and thanks a lot for any advice I may get 45.177.115.185 (talk) 21:46, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Your draft does not appear to have any sources cited. Wikipedia articles MUST have sources cited that show the subject is notable. If you resubmit, it should only be after adding multiple reliable and independent sources to show WP:NOTABILITY. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 21:51, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

IP editor, please spend some time reading and studying Your first article. Cullen328 (talk) 22:45, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Disambiguation

Does an item on a disambiguation page require a Wikilink? I am asking because I am editing Peaches and cream, and I want to use the verb 'drizzled', a word that some people might not be familiar with. Any suggestions to solve my dilemma? Absolutely Certainly (talk) 22:43, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

If you're asking whether Drizzle (disambiguation) include an item for the food-related verb drizzle (which, whether as "drizzle" or "drizzled", lacks an article), then no it should not. The best thing to do is to avoid this example of menuese and instead to use language that's less likely to mystify the reader. If you must use drizzle (in whichever inflected form), you could link your use to Wiktionary. But just don't use it. -- Hoary (talk) 23:04, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

No. A DAB page is a list of links to Wikipedia articles, not a list of meanings of the word or phrase. WP:Disambiguation#Page style says Each bulleted entry should have a navigable (blue) link, normally as the entry itself (see the previous bullet), or in the description if the entry is red-linked or unlinked. ColinFine (talk) 23:10, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Wiktionary suggests alternative expressions, Absolutely Certainly. -- Hoary (talk) 23:11, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

What kind of English should be used on English version?

I see both British and American versions of words on English Wikipedia, especially in articles where the Britain or United Kingdom is involved. Is there a general preference? Switching between them mid-article seems bound to happen unless specifically explained. I think it could get in the way of understanding the entries for people learning English. Toraboshi (talk) 18:59, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

There is no preference as per WP:ENGVAR, but generally articles will use whatever variation is present when the page is originally created. If you see discrepancies in an article (like one instance of favor when it's spelled as favour several other times) then you are always free to change it. ― TUNA × 19:03, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

It's also generally expected that articles about topics originating from US, Canada, UK, India, etc. will use that country's national variant of English (American, Commonwealth, British, Indian, etc.) —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 19:08, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

@Tunakanski: That isn't entirely correct. If the subject has ties to a particular nation, that nation's brand of English is used. MOS:RETAIN is an afterthought. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:18, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi there! It's a good idea reading the top lines, sometimes you may see "Use variant English" where variant is either Philippine, American, or Canadian, or whatever. I actually have a habit here of tagging articles with those engvar tags. If the article is about a Filipino person, then yes, I will not hesitate to tag it with {{Use Philippine English}} and {{Philippine English}}. While I don't like British or Commonwealth English or anything similar, for the purposes of editing here I don't mind the spelling differences at all. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 22:20, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Does anyone have information on a sorority in Ontario Canada? It is Theta Kappa Sigma

Theta Kappa Sigma sorority

Gammasigma71 (talk) 19:42, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Gammasigma71, welcome to the Teahouse. This is a place to ask questions about editing Wikipedia. For information on a sorority, their own website, or the college's website, or, lacking those things, semi-all-knowing Google would be good places to check. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:46, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

thanks. I have searched on google and found very little. I'll keep searching, just thought I'd ask here... Gammasigma71 (talk) 00:01, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Five Man Electrical Band

There are errors with this page. The LP was The Staccatos last LP in 1969 before the band changed its name. It was cause of LP the band changed it's name not because of the song. All songs on this LP have been previously released from earlier albums. The first LP from Five Man Electrical Band is Goodbyes And Butterflies. The discogs description is wrong and I have been trying to get someone to change it. I know because I worked for the band. Les Emmerson told me himself. There is a Youtube video with Mike Bullard where Les Emmerson states it. FiveManRoadie (talk) 01:05, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

FiveManRoadie, please write this at the foot of Talk:Five Man Electrical Band, citing reliable sources. But, you may wonder, how are you not a reliable source? In short, because anyone here can claim to be anyone; for more, please see WP:OR. -- Hoary (talk) 01:14, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Resubmission after corrections

Greetings all!

I recently submitted a draft for Article submission which was declined for unreliable sources. As I am editing- adding/removing sources accordingly, how can i resubmit it for review? I would really appreciate any guidance as I am a newbie to Wiki and this was my first attempt at Article Creation. Rainbownautinspace (talk) 06:06, 13 September 2022 (UTC) Draft: Tanya Abraham — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rainbownautinspace (talk • contribs) 06:07, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Rainbownautinspace. There is a blue "Resubmit" button at the bottom of the pink box at the top of your draft. Click it only when you have addressed the issues that the reviewer identified. Cullen328 (talk) 06:12, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank You @Cullen328 for your response! I have found it and will work on corrections! Rainbownautinspace (talk) 06:15, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

article rejection

i have published an article sevral times and it is still declined by DaxServer. though i have edited it with all the requirements still it is showing declined by DaxServer. and without any specific reason mentioned.

User:Haidar2521/sandbox#Mohammed Imaduddin Naveed Haidar2521 (talk) 16:53, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Haidar2521, welcome to the Teahouse. The reason for your article being declined is listed in the yellow notice on your talk page - the references are the problem. For instance, your very first reference is to Wikipedia itself, which is not allowed.

You've only submitted the article for review once, as far as I can tell, and haven't made any substantial changes since it was declined. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:02, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

okay i got you. so, instead of doing in sandbox should i edit it in draft and publish? Haidar2521 (talk) 17:21, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

@Haidar2521, that's up to you, articles can be written either in draft space or in a sandbox. However, if you put it in draft space and then don't edit it for six months, it will be considered abandoned and deleted per policy. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:35, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

@Haidar2521 The blue words in the "decline notice" are clickable links to much more information. As mentioned here, it does not matter where you make your draft. Learn the info at those links, and follow that advice. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 06:55, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Haidar2521, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please see the reply I gave to #Help understanding why post keeps getting rejected immediately above, because most of it is exactly what I would say to you. ColinFine (talk) 17:06, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

i got it. thanks. Haidar2521 (talk) 17:22, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Websites for sale as a reference

while repairing nbsp accidents(i.e. when "nbsp" is by accident displayed in the read view), i found some very confusing names of references: Names including "This website is for sale" in the articles Brace (singer), Piedmont Henry Hospital, List of museums in Ticino, and Terra Nova 1260HP diesel hydraulic locomotive. The same in French ("site web est à vendre") in Jupiter (factory), and the same in German ("Diese; Website steht zum Verkauf!") in List of South Korean festivals. I do not know how to behave in these cases, but i think that this is not the desired kind of references in Wikipedia. Can any experienced en Wikipedian adopt these cases? Thank you in advance. (I am de-N, en-2.) Himbeerbläuling (talk) 15:09, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

One guess is that the owner of the website at the time it was cited has since ceased payment - abandoned the website - and it is now available to be purchased. David notMD (talk) 15:49, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

At the moment,, there are 234 pages in article-space that have that English string. The first such I found was added by this edit, in which User:Ozzie10aaaa mentioned use of the WP:reFill tool. I'm not familiar with it, so maybe there's a bug in it? This seems like something to raise at a more central or advanced place than the teahouse since it's a general problem likely triggered accidentally by numerous editors, but not sure where to raise it. DMacks (talk) 16:11, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

@DMacks reFill uses mw:Citoid to automatically fill in various parameters in citation templates. Citoid relies on Zotero, which is a piece of software that can automatically collect certain data from a pages HTML structure, such as authors, dates and titles. This isn't a bug in reFill, it's operator error - someone has run this tool on a dead link and not checked the output before saving, so reFill has filled the citation template with the information from the "this website is gone and is now for sale" holding page. 192.76.8.74 (talk) 16:32, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the technical details! DMacks (talk) 16:49, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

I just tried out the link from Piedmont Henry Hospital, it seems dangerous! My virus scanner was alarmed, it says the site is infected! --Himbeerbläuling (talk) 17:22, 11 September 2022 (UTC). I deleted the link there, if you want to check with a very secure computer environment, of course the edit history of the article has the link. --Himbeerbläuling (talk) 17:29, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

@Himbeerbläuling Rather than deleting the reference you can add |url-status=unfit to the cite web template, which tells the template that the site has been taken over and is unfit to link to. This lets you keep the citation intact while removing the potentially harmful link. 192.76.8.74 (talk) 19:07, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Though using those parameters does require you to track down an archive of the site to set as the |archive-url parameter. Archive.org should have archived all sites linked to by wikipedia. 192.76.8.74 (talk) 19:10, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

I made/undertook several tries to build a correct reference, i am not sure now. --Himbeerbläuling (talk) 17:15, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

IP user, @DMacks, @David notMD I wonder how hard it would be for reFill to detect that phrase on the target page, and do something a bit smarter... 71.228.112.175 (talk) 06:40, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Good thought! Wish I knew. I'm pretty sure it would be trivial to have an WP:EDITFILTER that at least threw a warning and required confirmation if you tried to save a change that added that phrase regardless of what editing tool was used. DMacks (talk) 07:39, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Article Sino-Uralic languages

Why in the article "Sino Uralic languages" the phrase "The theory has been criticized for using supposedly "flawed" comparisons." does not go away after editing? The link is provided by the author of this phrase to monograph Kumar, Niraj; Driem, George van; Stobdan, Phunchok (2020-11-18). Himalayan Bridge. Routledge. ISBN 978-1-000-21549-6. But what is their resoning? Authors do not know Chinese and not able to make comparisons. Belolipestky Roman (talk) 03:28, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi Belolipestky Roman. The edit you made at Sino-Uralic languages to remove some content actually did go through; however, another editor who disagreed with your assessment re-added the content again. This is not at all uncommon when it comes to Wikipedia editing, and the thing that you should do know is follow Wikipedia:Dispute resolution and start a discussion about the change you want to make at Talk:Sino-Uralic languages to see whether a WP:CONSENSUS can be established one way or another. There are often disagreements among editors about article content and these disagreements (absent any major Wikipedia policy or guideline concerns) are expected to be resolved through WP:CIVIL discussion on article talk pages. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:22, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Belolipestky Roman, how do you know that some or all of the 25 authors of that monograph (those three named above are its editors) do not know "Chinese" (a large language family comprising scores of different languages)? (Perhaps you do know, in which case please tell us.) A great many linguistic scholars have deep knowledge of languages other than their own, and linguistic data, techniques and resources exist to enable them to work even on languages they are less familiar with. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.193.131.160 (talk) 04:53, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

It's also really important to remember that Wikipedia is not about our personal knowledge as editors. If a statement in Wikipedia is supported by a reliable source, then no matter how sure we are that the statement is wrong, no matter how much we disagree with the authors of the source, we cannot suppress this information. If we can find sources to support what we know to be correct, then we can, and should, add the correct material, supported by our sources. But we must provide a balanced reflection of all the viewpoints that are out there, no matter how misguided we may feel some of them are. Elemimele (talk) 08:25, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

jazz musician born in Richmond, Indiana

My father Samuel Washington Hopkins was born on December 22nd, 1915. He graduated from Richmond High School (Morton High School) in January of 1934. He was a musician (alto saxaphone) who later played with several big bands (17 musicians): The Dixie Rhythm Boys; Chic Carter Band; Ethel Waters Band, with her husband Eddie Mallory as the band leader (trumpet); and Lucky Millinder, thus, traveling all over the United States. He then in 1946, settled in Columbus, Ohio, and kept his career going with smaller combos (three-to-five "pieces", and even later formed, with fellow leader Ted Turner, another 17-piece band, "Saturn". My dad passed away in September of 2004. My name is Samuel W. Hopkins III.. I live in Columbus, Ohio 65.60.169.237 (talk) 07:06, 13 September 2022 (UTC) One last note: My father was omitted from the page titled, "Musicians from RIchmond, Indiana, two of which, Harold and Melvin Jones are (Melvin has passed) my cousins. Harold and I graduated together from Richmond High School, class of 1958.

Hi, I'm sorry to hear of your loss. Perhaps someone will be inspired to write an article about your father. The situation with Wikipedia is this: firstly the list of musicians in Indiana isn't comprehensive, instead it's just a list of those musicians about whom Wikipedia already has an article, so that readers can easily find them. We'd have to write the article first, and then add his name to the list afterwards. Secondly, to write an article, we'd need sources talking about him; perhaps contemporary newspaper articles, or books that include reasonably in-depth descriptions of his life and work. Unfortunately we're not able to use personal knowledge. That's one reason why it's extremely difficult to write an article about someone you know. Wikipedia is written entirely by volunteer editors. You could suggest that someone write about your father (there are instructions at WP:SUGGEST, but I'm afraid there's no guarantee anyone will pick up on the suggestion. If you know any good newspaper articles etc., by all means add them with your suggestion. Elemimele (talk) 08:36, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

To 65.60 A quick search on "Samuel Washington Hopkins" did not find published articles about or mentioning your father. Those would be essential as references. Wikipedia requires that all information in biographies be verified. Thus, it is unlikely that an article can be created about him. As already noted, list articles are limited to people who already have articles about them. David notMD (talk) 11:07, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Bookmark Page

Hey, I was wondering if there was a way I can save wikipedia pages to like a bookmark folder or something within wikipedia - I don't need this for a project, I just want to save interesting articles. Is there a way to do this? Morbidchaos13 (talk) 01:23, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

The closest you can get is creating a subpage in your userspace and linking all the interesting articles in it. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 01:40, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you :) 65.140.48.50 (talk) 12:55, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

If you haven't already done so, Morbidchaos13, you might put articles and other pages of interest onto your "watchlist". -- Hoary (talk) 02:53, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you :) 65.140.48.50 (talk) 12:56, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Wiki donation alerts

I have donated money to Wikipedia - albeit in a small way - getting reminded that I should donate each time I use your splendid facility is very anoying! Patrick de Ridder. 2A02:A463:1826:1:F562:DF31:E22A:DFC2 (talk) 15:49, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Welcome and thank you for your question about donations! To hide the fundraising banners, you can create an account and uncheck Preferences → Banners → Fundraising. The Wikimedia Foundation does not track the identity of IP addresses, so it doesn't know your age, income level or whether you donated in the past.
None of the Wikipedia volunteer editors here who add and improve content in articles receive any financial benefit. We all simply contribute our time because we care about building a great encyclopedia for you and innumerable others around the world to use.
If you cannot afford it, no one wants you to donate. Wikipedia is not at risk of shutting down, and the Wikimedia Foundation, which hosts the Wikipedia platform and is asking for these donations, is richer than ever.
We are led to believe that users who allow cookies are less likely to see these banners on repeat visits (further information is available here), and you are welcome to communicate directly with the donor-relations team by emailing donate@wikimedia.org. Thank you! 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:57, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Changing the title of cited source to make it compliant with Wikipedia manual of style

When citing a source such as an article that's hosted on a website, should I change the title of the article to follow WP:MOS? For example if the title incorrectly capitalizes certain conjunctions or prepositions. Some websites have the titles of articles written in all caps, should those be reformatted? When the title of a cited article is rendered in the references section of a page, it is placed there within double quotation marks. If such a title includes a quotation should the corresponding double quotation marks be changed to single marks? Artmusicmovies (talk) 17:15, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi Artmusicmovies, welcome to the Teahouse. Titles in all caps should definitely be changed. Most editors probably don't bother changing capitalization of certain conjunctions and prepositions but ideally it should be done. Use single marks if a title includes a quotation. See more at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Capital letters#All caps and small caps and Wikipedia:Manual of Style#For a quotation within a quotation. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:42, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

how do you contact others to ask if they need help?

i'm really knew to the editor thing, and i don't have any ideas. so i'm just looking around to see if i can find anything, like helping someone with an article. but my problem is that i don't really know how to contact other people to ask if they want any help for anything. 422MAC224 (talk) 13:46, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@422MAC224: Generally you would not contact random editors asking them if they need help, as it can potentially be viewed as disruptive or even harassment. If you're not sure where to start on editing, you can check out the general "getting started" help page, there is a large repository of linked articles within that page on what to do in wikipedia. Rob3512 (Talk) 14:05, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

thanks! 422MAC224 (talk) 18:55, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@422MAC224 Hello! You can check under "Help out" at Wikipedia:Community portal to see if you find something that interests you. Creating acceptable new articles is difficult for a beginner, but you can check Wikipedia:Requested articles for articles someone wants (doesn't mean they CAN be written per WP:GNG). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:09, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

thank you :) 422MAC224 (talk) 18:55, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

You can also check the pages of various Wikipedia:WikiProjects that interest you, they sometimes list/talk about things they think should be done. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:14, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

"Write what you know." In this context, look for articles on topics you have good knowledge about. Are there statements at the top identifying weaknesses? Is there wrong information? IF you intend to correct something, can you incorporate a reference in support? (What you know to be true is not sufficient support - verification by references is essential.) Be aware that while one person may create an article, it then exists for any editor to expand, fix, make cuts, etc. There is no ownership. Hyper-popular topics may literally have thousands of edits made by hundreds of editors, so there is no "helping someone." If you do want to contact an editor, leave a message on their Talk page. Remember to 'sign' your Talk posts by typing four of ~.David notMD (talk) 15:30, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

ok 422MAC224 (talk) 18:56, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

ok :) 422MAC224 (talk) 18:57, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@422MAC224: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1164. Since your account is a recent creation, you should have a homepage that has a pane suggesting pages that could benefit from some editing. Maybe something there piques your interest. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:35, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

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422MAC224 (talk) 18:58, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Help with Hot Club of San Francisco Draft Page

Hello,

My article submission for the Hot Club of San Francisco (link below) was rejected by a reviewer because it was not adequately supported by reliable sources. I'm thankful for the speedy review and respect Wikipedia's policies to ensure the veracity of information. I (now) understand that the Hot Club of San Francisco's website is not a verifiable source and have removed it, however I would really appreciate some clarity/specifics on my remaining sources and/or the info they pertain to. Would it be possible to look at my article and identify some potentially problematic sources/statements? Anything you can point out that you think would make the article submission adhere to Wikipedia's standards (and make it more likely to be accepted) would help. Thank you so much!

Link to Draft Page: https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Hot_Club_of_San_Francisco Nhutchison (talk) 04:16, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Nhutchison. I am only looking at the current version of the draft. It still has a promotional tone. "Celebrates the music of" is not neutral. "Developed an affinity for" is not neutral. "Took a break from the Abalone Stompers to bicycle across Europe" is trivia and not supported by the Mercury-News source. That source also fails to verify the Fapy Lafertin content. Verifiability is a core content policy. So, go through your draft sentence by sentence, and remove every trace of promotional content and every assertion that is not verified by a cited source. Cullen328 (talk) 06:29, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much Cullen328. I appreciate your help! Nhutchison (talk) 19:06, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Help understanding why post keeps getting rejected

Hi! I am trying to get a draft posted on Wikipedia: https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Anthony_Chase_(entrepreneur)

I am not Anthony Chase, nor am I hired by him to post it. He is a really successful self-made entrepreneur from my hometown. The first couple of times it was rejected was because of not having reliable sources - but I've gone through the citations over and over and can't understand what I'm doing wrong or why these aren't reliable sources (all third party legitimate media articles).

The most recent rejection was because it 'read like an advertisement'. I haven't drastically changed the content, and this is the first time it was brought up. I am a former reporter and don't understand this comment at all.

Can someone please help me better understand what I need to do, in a clear way, to get this posted? Thank so much for your help! Hhuften (talk) 16:41, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Hhuften, welcome to the Teahouse. I didn't get past the "Background" section of your draft before noticing a major problem - there's only one source in the entire section, and it only backs up a tiny bit of the information in that section. Where are the sources for everything else? Other parts of the draft have similar issues. Where is this information coming from? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:51, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP! Hhuften (talk) 16:01, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Please understand that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If you cannot find such sources, then Chase does not (currently) meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, however worthy he may be.

Glancing through your citations (which aren't formatted ideally, but that is a minor matter), I notice that many of them are in some way Chase's words The WSJ entry is not a third-party article, but a biography which almost certainly came from Chase or his associates, and dito The History Makers. The article about his father is in-depth about his father, but says very little about him; and so on. Can you identify at least three sources each of which meets all three of the requirements, viz reliable, independent of Chase, and containing significant coverage of him? If not, please don't spend any more time on this. ColinFine (talk) 17:03, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Learn how to ref properly (see Help:Referencing for beginners), ref everything, delete bad refs. David notMD (talk) 18:11, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! I made many changes, but now a lot of my content is missing when I look under the 'Read' tab. However, I see it when I go to the 'Edit Source' tab. All I did was add additional sources, remove bad citations and change a little of the text. I don't know what I did wrong! Hhuften (talk) 14:19, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@Hhuften, you didn't quite do the refs correctly - no closing (</ref>) tags, for starters. I've corrected the ones in the first part of your draft, including moving punctuation to the correct place. You can see exactly what I did in this diff: link. Follow that example in the rest of the draft and things should get straightened out. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:11, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! Hhuften (talk) 15:58, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@Hhuften, you're quite welcome. FYI, please try to avoid using all caps when responding to folks (i.e., SHOUTing) - it's bad netiquette. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:20, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@Hhuften I don't think a list of his board memberships adds any value to the article; I would remove them. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 06:52, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP! Hhuften (talk) 16:02, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

not really an issue with a page, it's more of a question with the miscellaneous section

Am I allowed to make jokes on the miscellaneous section of Wikipedia? not anything that would be at all rude or offensive. Just stuff like dad jokes or something like "imagine a cop pulling you over and saying 'do you want a graham cracker?'" or something like that. I'm just trying to give people a small chuckle. CannonCrandall (talk) 17:46, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

No, Wikipedia isn't social media and that's also a terrible joke. PICKLEDICAE🥒 17:50, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @CannonCrandall, welcome to the Teahouse. What do you mean by "the miscellaneous section of Wikipedia"? Reference desk/Miscellaneous? Wikipedia doesn't have a space which acts as a joke depository, but perhaps you'd like to check out the Department of Fun, Silly Things or HUMOR. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:58, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

@CannonCrandall what the two above said. With regards to the WP:HUMOUR page, this is more for humorous things that happen on Wikipedia, not necessarily jokes like yours. I hope this makes things a little clearer, and if you need any more help, please don’t hesitate to ask! Blanchey (talk) 18:26, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

To take a different interpretation to your question: If you mean, "When I'm talking to people on talk pages and Wikiprojects and stuff like that, do I have to be old-man serious?" And the answer to that question is absolutely not. I never talk here without saying something stupid, and my talk page is glamoured with a randomly generated, comedic talk page banner. Just try to keep in mind your audience, and who has higher toleration for jokes. Panini! • 🥪 20:22, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

• Even very mild jokes are generally frowned upon in mainspace. There was an edit war about a picture caption "Guy Standing, sitting". (Nobody would have batted an eye about "Thomas Piketty, sitting", so the fact that it was humorous was the only objection to that caption.) As far as I know, the only mainspace joke that is both reasonably well-known, old, and edit-war-free is the indication for missing pictures in List of cetaceans. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 15:14, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

  The mysterious origin of Tamzin's signature tag, explained! 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:21, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

  Keep your Navy hands off my dolphins, Admiral. FWIW there actually was a brief edit war over that joke last year, but there was rough consensus on talk to keep it. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 19:52, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

  

  And now I'm off to call the FUNPOLICE to get such nonsense stricken from Wikipedia. Serious business only! 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:05, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

declined article

Dear TeaHouse friendly crowd:

I created my first article about Anna Frajlich, a Polish-American woman poet who taught in Columbia and who is considered to be one of the finest Polish poets of her generation. There is an article about her in Polish Wikipedia. Because she is an emigre writer, there is not much written about her in the mainstream American press, but a WHOLE LOT in the emigre and academic press, all of them verifiable sources. In fact, in 2022 the whole issue of "Polish Review" was dedicated exclusively to her. I submitted my draft twice and it was rejected twice because of the lack of verifiable sources, but because much of academic press is behind the paywall and much of emigre press is not digitized, my citations are perceived as unverifiable.

I am not sure how to overcome this obstacle. Please advise! Thank you! MatrosMonk (talk) 20:30, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Anna Frajlich @MatrosMonk: The article was declined, not rejected. Rejected means you should stop trying. Declined means you can still try to improve it. You can add foreign language sources, if they exist, and I see you already have. Rather than listing her works and linking to the Worldcat site, which just proves something exists, you should focus on finding reviews of her work to show that it's notable. Each work can be sourced with a single independent review. The Teahouse is more for general editing questions. We have a dedicated help site for declined articles for creation: Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk. Good luck. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:11, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! I will follow your advice! Very grateful! MatrosMonk (talk) 21:14, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Editing References & Links

I have a draft page on an American composer and I need to update a reference footnote link .How do I do that?

There are also several links in the External Links section that show the complete URL. I prefer that the title of the source be the link. How do I do that?

Here is a link to the page. Thanks for your help.

-David Brown

User:DBMockingbird/sandbox/Eric Richards DBMockingbird (talk) 20:45, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@DBMockingbird: Your citations need to be inline. Everything you include has to be sourced if you want the draft to be approved. See Wikipedia:Citing sources. I normally don't like to edit another editor's sandbox, but there are a few basic formatting things that need to be fixed, and I will with your permission. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:15, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: Unless I'm incorrect, the draft appears to be a copyright violation and I've tagged it as such. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 21:21, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@PerfectSoundWhatever: Good catch - I don't normally think to look for copyvios. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:25, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/John_Heneghan and https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Bridget_Rice

Thank you to whoever edited the pages of John Henaghan and his sister Bridget Rice for me. Could I ask one more favour please. The name is misspelt - it should be Henaghan rather than the more usual Heneghan. https://www.tracesofwar.com/persons/81977/Henaghan-Fr-John.htm Thank you. BuffyO'B (talk) 19:26, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@BuffyO'B: There's a discrepancy, for sure. I think you're better off discussing on the talk page. If you do, see [[3]] for "Heneghan", and this birth record source from the article [[4]] for an alternate spelling: "Henehan"! If there's no consensus, you might say John Heneghan (sometimes spelled Henaghan or Henahan) (21 December 1881 – 10 February 1945) TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:33, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi Tim, thanks for your reply.

His name is actually misspelt on his birth record. Henaghan is how his family spells its name.

This is the record for the marriage of his parents https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1880/11044/8039761.pdf

This is the birth record for his sister Bridget (Rice) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1885/02644/1974953.pdf

Death of father in 1913 https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1913/05332/4484542.pdf

https://www.facebook.com/columban.org.fj/posts/remembering-columban-martyrsfr-john-henaghan-was-born-at-louisburg-co-may-in-188/241949350792708/

Marriage cert of his sister Bridget https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1914/09865/5583126.pdf

∼∼∼∼ BuffyO'B (talk) 22:12, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Stonewalling?

Hello!

I believe that there has been stonewalling on a BLP article by motivated editors to maintain status quo and foreclose discussion. For the sake of argument, assuming that there is in fact stonewalling and this can be reasonably demonstrated, what would next steps be?

Context:

Stonewalling tactics have included hostility to new editors who raise questions about status quo, premature attempts to close discussion with a close tag, tag-teaming, claims of consensus when the last rfc was no-consensus; subverting normal processes, like archiving and notifications of discretionary sanctions, in order to intimidate new editors; and no apparent intention to concede or come to consensus, among others. I believe this can be well demonstrated in the history of subject's talk page.

To be clear, this is not a content dispute, but a conduct dispute. Regarding the content itself, I have an opinion, but it is weakly held; and about the subject, I have no opinion whatsoever. Unfortunately, even discussing the topic has been disrupted, repeatedly, apparently for years.

I want to understand the process in its entirety before even deciding if I want to get into it. I'm not asking for opinions on whether it is happening, and I'm not linking to the article in order to keep focus on the process on an abstract level, and if I decide it's too much effort, I want to walk away without drama!

As an aside, if I might speculate, I think the stonewallers believe sincerely that the subject holds such reprehensible and probably genocidal views that full discussion is a dangerous information hazard. To them, rather than revealing truth, neutral POV is a dangerous obstacle to truth in this specific case.

Thoughts?

91.153.203.110 (talk) 07:52, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

You're being too abstract. This isn't a situation where less information about the dispute is going to be any good at formulating a responce, because the conduct issue may be justifiable (such as if the topic area the article is in is under sanctions or the matter is a perennial one that has been settled and the only people pushing for it are drive-bys/sockpuppets). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 08:08, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Assuming that it is stonewalling and I can reasonably demonstrate it, what happens next? 91.153.203.110 (talk) 09:09, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

You could try Wikipedia:Requests for comment. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:15, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

It is very difficult to give specific advice in this case, only the generals: assume good faith first, open discussions on the relevant talk pages, ask for a third opinion or mediation from an uninvolved editor, open a dispute resolution request, ask for a request for comment, and if all else fails bring it to the attention of the administrators at the incidents' noticeboard especially if editor conduct is a serious problem. Rob3512 (Talk) 09:21, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Perfect. This is the answer I needed. Thank you. I'll review all of this in detail before deciding what to do, if anything. 91.153.203.110 (talk) 09:27, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Given that there is an entire essay WP:STONEWALLING, it must have happened before. It would help to know how specific accusations rolled out. What was successful, what failed. Are there examples of these cases that anyone knows off-hand?

And let's say, hypothetically, an administrator were sympathetic to the stonewallers? What would happen then to someone who brought this to dispute resolution? 91.153.203.110 (talk) 20:29, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Most steps in the dispute resolution process do not involve administrators (and if an admin becomes involved, most of the time they're acting as a regular editor, not in their capacity as admin). It's only going to ANI which would involve a request for admin action against someone, and any action taken based on that report is subject to review by other admins and non-admin editors. ANI deals with behavioral issues, though, not content issues. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:40, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Since this dispute seems to involve multiple discretionary sanctions areas, WP:ARE or WP:AN might be more fruitful venues than ANI... Newimpartial (talk) 20:44, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, ARE would probably be better than ANI if the option exists (some would argue almost anything is a better option than ANI). But, again, that's for behavior issues, not content issues. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:52, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

It may be heading that way. There's some stalking, badgering and bizarre accusations, and apparent history of. I have learned that the stonewallers have gamed the system, baited, and badgered people into leaving Wikipedia altogether. Again, I may decide to walk away. 91.153.203.110 (talk) 21:08, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

I'd caution you against throwing around such accusations; even though you haven't mentioned any editor(s) specifically, it's still not a good look and could come back to bite you later. If you want to pursue this issue, you'll need to gather evidence in the form of diffs and prepare to make a well-reasoned, persuasive case in the venue of your choice. Otherwise, yes, it would be better to walk away. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:15, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Oh, believe me, I am well aware that it would be a shit-storm. There is a lot of documentation and multiple collaborating witnesses. Gathering it would be tedious, but it's definitely there. I will only do it if the stalking continues. 91.153.203.110 (talk) 21:35, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

You and Rendall ought to refrain from alleging "stalking" without evidence. Thx. Newimpartial (talk) 21:39, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Huh. IP editor, I'm going to assume you are not Rendall, and that you didn't mind them changing your opening post; seems a bit late to revert now. Editing other people's comments is not allowed (with very limited exceptions). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:05, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Definitely make that assumption and point taken. I'm not sure why Newimpartial would assume these accusations are about them. IP never mentioned them and I certainly did not. There is nothing to link this post to that page or that person. How did they even come to know about this post?Rendall (talk) 23:13, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

One way NewImperial might have learnt about this post is by looking at your contribution history and seeing your changes to the initial IP post. Just out of curiosity, given you're unrelated to the IP editor how did you come to learn about this post within minutes of it going up? It seems very coincidental given how similar it is to your concerns expressed on the Graham Linehan talk page. JaggedHamster (talk) 07:37, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Maybe this explains Newimpartial's activity on my talk page? After complaining about me, they joke about baiting another editor and skirting "the letter of the law"? I didn't really understand it, but maybe they assumed this post was about them? Pretty intimidating, tbh http://en.m.wiki.x.io/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1109962747 Rendall (talk) 23:33, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

There are two possibilities here, within Aristotelian logic: either Rendall and the opening IP are the same person, or Rendall and the IP are engaging in off-wiki coordination. Neither of those is a good look, shall we say, and that has nothing to do with who exactly the stonewallers might be, who have gamed the system, baited, and badgered people into leaving Wikipedia altogether. I'm not making any assumptions about who precisely you might be accusing, but you should refrain from doing that, pls. Newimpartial (talk) 22:54, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Rendall, please do not do that again. You have been around long enough to know not to do that. 91.153.203.110 (talk) 06:48, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

I would also point out that revealing truth seems to be a telling phrase (in this rather oblique comment about the Graham Linehan article, an article that follows the reliable sources while following WP:NPOV rather carefully). I would encourage the IP (and Rendall) to examine WP:NOTTRUTH in that context, as well as WP:RGW, which seem relevant to their motivations rather more than they reflect the motivations of editors supporting that article's status quo. Newimpartial (talk) 15:33, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Comment - unless an editor has been editing another editor's comments, which I do not believe to be the case, this section is about Graham Linehan and continues the aspersions cast in this Talk section.

I'm INVOLVED, of course, but I do not believe any STONEWALLING to have taken place on that article. Rather, what I see is editors who disagree with the current consensus on that page but who engage in WP:SEALIONing or Wikilawyering rather than proposing an RfC or other process to change the sources, status quo, policy-compliant article text that offends their sensibilities. Perspectives on this differ, of course. Newimpartial (talk) 15:15, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

I don't see any stonewalling, though I do see some quite vigorous discussion. I would advise 91.153.203.110: if you want to get involved in this, register an account first. Your views are more likely to be taken seriously if they're from a registered user (and it will help to protect your real-life anonymity, if you think that matters). Maproom (talk) 16:49, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Mobile vs. Computer

Which device is better to edit on? I think it may be obvious but I find it hard to get really in depth research on some subjects by using mobile. Sadly I only have a school issued laptop, a phone, and a computer that doesn’t work. So that only leaves me with one choice. PotatoDictator (talk) 01:22, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

PotatoDictator, welcome! Many contributors find editing easier on a computer, but many choose to edit on a phone as well. You may be interested in the essay Smartphone editing. Happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 01:33, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, PotatoDictator. I wrote the essay that Perfect4th recommended (thanks), and even though it was written seven years ago, I still stand by almost all of what I wrote. In short, I edit on Android smartphones and use the fully functional desktop site on my phone. In my opinion, none of the apps or the mobile site are up to the task of being a long term constructive editor on a collaborative project. When I wrote that essay, I was not an administrator. I became an administrator five years ago, and was pleased to learn that all of the administrator's tools work just fine on my phone. Other people have other experiences, but these are my opinions, based on my extensive experience. Cullen328 (talk) 01:46, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

What is the fillter log for

i need to know about the filter log what is it for 209.221.91.114 (talk) 13:27, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

209.221.91.114, the filter log logs all instances of a WP:FILTER stopping, warning, or logging an edit. Sungodtemple (talk) 13:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

at happen if i keep triggering filtersh 209.221.91.114 (talk) 13:33, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

 Note: IP has been blocked. Rob3512 (Talk) 13:47, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

@Rob3512 But... the editor needed to know! 71.228.112.175 (talk) 02:43, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Rejection of article

I wrote about a new NGO that has started working with faith leaders for climate action. Its new and its body of work is limited but effective. It held a conference in Islamabad in June on climate change just before the floods devastated the country. It has been trying to fight climate change and has been covered by independent publications, yet Wikipedia does not approve its listing, what should be done ? Iam1947 (talk) 06:31, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

here is the link to Draft:Faith For Our Planet Iam1947 (talk) 06:35, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Iam1947, you'll find that many people editing Wikipedia are as concerned as you are about global heating. But the worthiness or noteworthiness of an organization isn't the same as its notability, as it's defined here. The recent decline notice said that the references "do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject" (and therefore that the subject hasn't been shown to be notable). If you disagree -- if you believe that at least some of the references do show significant coverage by/from reliable sources -- then please (here, in the tearoom) specify three such references. -- Hoary (talk) 06:52, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

yes, thank you, I totally understand the explanation. My point was if some institute is quietly making an impact at the grassroots level, it may go under the radar for years, for they are focused on work rather than promotion. Yes you are right it might be too soon for the world to take notice of it, but the org's work with religious leadership and youth is such that it won't produce tangible immediate results that are talked about en masse, rather it would be sustained efforts that could help the planet survive.

Its just that Wikipedia is one of the ways to put it on the map. I do not really care for its promotion. There community work affected me, so I thought it is noteworthy.

Thanks for you help. I am referencing links as you said in which the initiative of the organization was noticed by the local media, which of course is independent.

Thanks again.

https://pakobserver.net/religious-leaders-input-key-to-tackling-threat-of-climate-change/

https://dailytimes.com.pk/951520/experts-call-for-resolving-water-stress-for-sustainable-future/

https://www.voiceofmelange.com/2022/06/15/climate-change-17/

https://www.iiu.edu.pk/?p=55537 Iam1947 (talk) 11:44, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@Iam1947: Saying Wikipedia is one of the ways to put it on the map and then I do not really care for its promotion comes across as contradictory. As a tertiary source, Wikipedia should be one of the last places to mention this organisation. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:03, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@Iam1947 Tenryuu is right -- Wikipedia writes about things that are already "on the map". 71.228.112.175 (talk) 02:50, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Iam1947, and welcome to the Teahouse. If it is a new NGO, then it's quite likely that it's simply WP:TOOSOON for Wikipedia to take note of it. Wikipedfia is not in the business of promotion - AKA, telling the world about something: Wikipedia relies on independent sources, and for a new organisation, however worthy, these may not yet exist. (I haven't looked for them, so they may do: I'm giving you a general explanation). ColinFine (talk) 09:24, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

LINKING THE CHAMBERS BROTHERS DRUMMER TO Brucebase WIKI

Dear Friends, Please link me to Brucebase WIKI on The Chambers Brothers website as I am updating my resume and do not know how to do it. God Bless!, Drummer Lee Szymborski 64.250.246.200 (talk) 08:25, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

I believe you're asking about The Chambers Brothers#Later_years. Somebody -- maybe you (I didn't check the page history) -- has made a flawed attempt to cite "Brucebase" and "Cleveland Plain Dealer". The former is here; at a glance, it doesn't strike me as a reliable source. The Cleveland Plain Dealer would be one, if only the date, article title, etc, were all specified. -- Hoary (talk) 09:14, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

The Brucebase Wiki is not a reliable source for use on Wikipedia, although I imagine that hard core Bruce Springsteen fans may enjoy it. Cullen328 (talk) 19:04, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

That article has a LOT of uncited material. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 02:55, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

My edit

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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why did you delete my edit? It was very important information. OMG-too-many-already-taken (talk) 22:36, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

OMG-too-many-already-taken Hello. This is a serious project to write an encyclopedia of human knowledge that can be sourced to verifiable independent reliable sources. If you just want to fool around, please do that elsewhere. 331dot (talk) 22:52, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Sorry i let my little sister edit sometimes and she made that edit and comment. I just got my computer back from her OMG-too-many-already-taken (talk) 23:09, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@OMG-too-many-already-taken: Accounts may only be used by one person. Do not share your account with anyone. RudolfRed (talk) 23:14, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

i didn't know that so I am sorry that this has happened. also that was not an excuse my little sisters name is lily and she is 9. OMG-too-many-already-taken (talk) 00:16, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

(1) It is a breach of Wikipedia's Terms of use for you to allow any other person to use your Account.

(2) "My little brother/sister did it" is something people claim every day to excuse silly edits: it's as believable as "the dog ate my homework". {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.193.131.160 (talk) 23:26, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@OMG-too-many-already-taken: Your claim isn't plausible based on your brand new account. You're unfortunately not getting off on the right foot here. But many people are surprised to see how hard it is to get away with vandalism. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:50, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

I know we try to be nice at the Teahouse, but just because a troll has found the Teahouse doesn't mean they're immune from blocking. Obvious vandalism, obvious lying about it, obvious trolling, and obvious block evasion. I've blocked indef w/ no talk page access, like any other VOA. --Floquenbeam (talk) 00:34, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Account creation

I want to create an account and a page on wikipedia but my IP address is being blocked.PLEASE help me do the same. 157.34.173.101 (talk) 07:19, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

If your IP address was truly blocked, you would not be able to post here at the Teahouse. Some IP addresses shift frequently. Please try again. Cullen328 (talk) 07:25, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

155.205.200.201

So I made a few reversions on this talk page, and the IP keeps reverting me back. Sometime recently, I was given advice by Acroterion not to revert if an IP has been poked long enough. However, the IP has posted an obscenity. At this stage, I do not wish to edit war with this IP but rather get some advice—should I revert again? — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 01:19, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

3PPYB6 The IP 155.205.200.201 was indefinitely blocked in May 2022, so I see no benefit whatsoever from being on that editor's Talk page. David notMD (talk) 08:35, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Character lists

How can I add character lists on Wikipedia while still following the website's guidelines? NikoPalad67140 (talk) 05:49, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

@NikoPalad67140 When you say character lists, I assume you mean characters from a fictional book / programme etc. this for example, is a list of characters in a soap opera in the uk. If you take a look, you can see that there is a row for the character, the actor, duration, and most importantly, references for verifiability. Although what sort of character list were you considered writing? Blanchey (talk) 06:45, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

List of Ace Attorney characters

List of Queen's Blade characters

This kind of character list is what I want to consider writing. Specifically, the ones for the Advance Wars and HuniePop series. NikoPalad67140 (talk) 08:42, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

I am trying to create article for one notable personality but that is not going through

I created below page with correct details giving proper references can someone please help what can be done so that we can go through

Draft:Sri Ramprakashacharya Ji Maharaj Achyut DevpalKamlesh (talk) 08:53, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

DevpalKamlesh Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft lacked the information needed to submit it for a review(new users cannot directly create articles and must use Articles for Creation). I have added this information, but if you were to submit it now, it would be rejected quickly, as the sources you have used are not appropriate for establishing that this person meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. Creating a new article is very difficult- please read Your First Article and use the new user tutorial to learn more about Wikipedia and what we are looking for.

Who is "we"? If you represent this person, please read about conflict of interest and paid editing for information on required formal disclosures. 331dot (talk) 08:58, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Per your Talk page, you have created four articles which have all been proposed for deletion for lack of any references. Sant Sukhdev Prasad was Speedy deleted for lack of references. Attempts to create this article on Ramprakashacharya have been Speedy deleted for lack of references. What now exists as a draft cannot be accepted for lack of valid references in valid format. David notMD (talk) 09:10, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Editor using their own to-be-published work as a reference

Hi, wondering what policy says about this. An editor has been working on Anna M. Rosenberg and adding information from and references to his own biography of Rosenberg, to be published next year. The additions look like a net benefit to the article, but I'm wary about self-promotion. I know there was a case a few years ago where a prolific editor had added references to his own work to lots of articles, but I haven't been able to find a policy on this. Is there one? Does it make a difference if the work isn't published yet? Thanks. Tacyarg (talk) 07:41, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi Tacyarg. If the source being cited would otherwise meet WP:RS and is not an issue per WP:UNDUE, then it should be OK to do so regardless of who is doing it. Generally, people citing their own works are expected to do so in accordance with WP:SELFCITE. You can always seek additional feedback about the reliability of the source at WP:RSN if you want. A possible major problem could be that the work has yet to have been "published" since reliable sources are a required to be WP:PUBLISHED for them not to be treated as WP:OR. That would be more than a sufficient reason in and of itself to not cite the source. Whether a source is something considered reliable is quite hard to assess when it hasn't been published yet and hasn't in an of itself be the subject of critical commentary in secondary sources. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:19, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

If the source is not yet available, and cannot be read, then it must not be cited. The whole point of sourcing is that it should allow the reader to go and check for themselves. It shouldn't be there until it's in print. Elemimele (talk) 08:26, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

The publisher (Citadel Press) appears to be reputable, although I notice that the 8 citations are split between two reference entries, one under Citadel Press and one under its parent Kensington Publications Corp., which seems a little odd.

The title is already widely advertised online, and possibly advance proof copies have already been distributed and reviewed. Have we an appropriate template for marking a citation as "pending confirmation" or something similar? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.193.131.160 (talk) 08:38, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. It was WP:SELFCITE I was looking for and I see that it makes a distinction between editors who solely add their own work and people who add a range of sources, which is helpful. In this case the editor has added other sources. Tacyarg (talk) 09:41, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Template Semi-protected

Sometimes, I just made an edit from Earth in Fandom, can you tell me what it is? Dickonlandia (talk) 11:49, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Click on your "contributions" in order to view the edits you've made in English Wikipedia. If you're asking about Fandom, that's unrelated; we can't comment on it. 126.194.122.63 (talk) 12:17, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

My article was decline, why ?

How do i write an article for company or person on wikipedia Dealbidar (talk) 12:46, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

@Dealbidar: Your draft wasn't declined, it was rejected. That means, don't bother resubmitting it. What you submitted was a self-promotional essay that cited only yourself. That is unacceptable. See Wikipedia:Autobiography (basically don't write about yourself on Wikipedia), and also Wikipedia:Golden rule to understand the sources that are required. If you want to advertise your professional skills, go to LinkedIn. ~Anachronist (talk) 13:05, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Question about image format

Hello Everyone. Could you be so kind and tell me , if it is possible, how can i format a cluster of pictures into something like this? Thank you in advanceΙπποκράτης2020 (talk) 12:49, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello Hippocrates. I don't know, but you mayy find the answer at WP:Collage tips. ColinFine (talk) 13:15, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you ColinFine, Will look at it. Ιπποκράτης2020 (talk) 14:06, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Becoming an Anonymous contributor

Hello there. How do I become an Anonymous contributor? Thanks. JessopTonkin (talk) 02:03, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

You become an anonymous contributor by not having an account… Tropicalkitty (talk) 02:06, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

You could also be anonymous by just having a username that’s not your real name. Tropicalkitty (talk) 02:08, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Actually, JessopTonkin, the most anonymous contributor is a registered account that does not disclose any personally identifying information. Those who edit without an account disclose also their IP address, which may also their reveal things like their geographic location, their mobile provider, and in some cases, their employer or educational institution. I have made the personal choice to reveal a lot of personal information, but editors who do not wish to do so can set up an account and disclose nothing except what they do on Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 02:52, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

@User:JosephTunkis You have already changed your username but like almost everything on Wikipedia your edit history is accessible if others look in the right place. My advice, assuming that you do wish to contribute productively here is that you continue without creating a User page (there is no obligation to have one) but be aware that you will be expected to respond to relevant discussions about the contributions you make to articles, according to WP:TALK guidelines. However, there is no need to make any disclosure about yourself. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:26, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Rubber band weapon

FYI

 – added header - Maresa63 ^Talk 11:49, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

What is the FYI for? A diehard editor (talk | edits) 12:55, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

@A diehard editor, it's common for new users to not quite have a handle on correct formatting, so there's a little more leniency hereabouts for other users fixing their mistakes (altering posts is usually frowned upon, as I'm sure you know); the FYI flag is sometimes used for transparency when such a correction is made. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:47, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Oh. I read "added header", but apparently my brain's internal parser broke down and thought the FYI was random meaningless text. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 14:44, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Rubber band weapon SirSharp (talk) 11:21, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

If you have a question, then what is the question? 126.194.122.63 (talk) 12:08, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

This confuses me. @SirSharp what is your question? A diehard editor (talk | edits) 12:55, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

• While there is no question, a look at the SirSharp’s contributions reveals that they wrote a draft article at Template:Rubber band weapon and left a COI disclosure at Template talk:Rubber band weapon. One can reasonably suppose they are asking for guidance about the draft-writing process.

First of all, the template space is not an appropriate place to post draft articles, so I have moved it to User:SirSharp/Rubber band weapon.

Second, it seems to me that most of the draft duplicates information that is already present in our article Slingshot. I doubt that rubber band weapons are a sufficiently separate concept to distinguish the two. You would probably do better to edit the slingshot article, and if necessary to create a redirect from rubber band weapon to slingshot. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 13:33, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Your draft Wikilinks to both Slingshot and Rubber band gun, so it appears that your intented article is already covered by those. David notMD (talk) 13:45, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Trying to get a link to other webpages to work...

When I try to make the following link work, https://japantoday.com/category/features/lifestyle/which-is-more-popular-in-japan-british-english-or-american-english

as a hyperlink, like this example. Please let me know if you see the link come through, or what I am doing wrong. TY. — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 13:24, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

It seems to me like when I link out the whole link URL it works fine, but somehow when I try and hyperlink it to show other text for ease of readability for other editors etc., I break it somehow... :( — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 13:28, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

@Oopsemoops Your second version has an extra pipe character (|) at the end, which is giving the 404 error. You can see the character in the source code or as hex %7C if you hover over the bad link. The correct link would be this example. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:00, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Oh interesting, so no pipe is needed? Not even one? I guess that is it then. I'll try again, how about this article on demonetization that I am about to use in another article. — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 14:02, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Seems like that did it! I am used to the pipes in lots of other links, but I guess a single space was all I really needed! TY! — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 14:03, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

@Oopsemoops The reason you see lot of pipe characters is because most proper citations in articles use templates like {{cite web}}, which for the URL you quote above could be "Which is more popular in Japan: British English or American English?". Retrieved 2022-09-14., with the title and access-date added. Shorthand external links using single [ and ] characters to provide the link in wikitext don't require pipes: the text to be displayed just goes after a blank at the end of the URL. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:47, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

TY. That makes sense, and is good to know. Have a good one! — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 14:49, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

I need help please.

Hello, I am wanting to learn how to be a proper Wikipedian. I have created 2 articles. I fought with the first one for over a year before it was finally approved and the second one I recently completed was also declined. I am a good student and fast learner. I work in the WikiTree notables project and the people have to have a Wikipedia to be approved as notable. I am also creating towns and counties and they prefer that they have a Wikipedia page and a Wikdata id.

Thanks in advance for any help, Pam The Honoring Historian (talk) 02:11, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello @The Honoring Historian and welcome to the Teahouse! If you are seeking to have someone to help you, you may want to get a mentor or have a user adopt you. Happy Editing! Helloheart (talk) 03:33, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, The Honoring Historian. I took a look at Draft:William Casey. If the claims about him serving in the Kentucky House of Representatives and the Kentucky Senate can be verified, then he definitely meets the Notability guideline for polticians. Perhaps those two legislative bodies have searchable databases about past members. I found this book that verifies that he settled in Kentucky in 1779 and moved to an even more remote part of that state in 1791. Most Americans interested in history know that Abraham Lincoln was born not far from there in 1809, and think of that area as an undeveloped wilderness at the time of Lincol's birth. Casey was settling that general area decades earlier. Imagine how much more remote it was at the time of the American Revolution when Casey settled there. I recommend looking at biographies of other early members of the Kentucky legislature to see what kind of references they use. I am sure that the librarians of Casey County, Kentucky (named after him) would be happy to assist you in finding sources. Perhaps AngusWOOF can explain why they think that this draft would be unlikely to survive an AfD debate. Cullen328 (talk) 04:33, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

The Honoring Historian, in less than a minute of searching, I was able to find this book that verifies all the major facts of his life, which makes it very clear that he is notable. AngusWOOF and other AFC reviewers, please do not decline drafts about people that assert a strong claim of notability that can be verified in less than a minute. Cullen328 (talk) 04:41, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Better refs, more content, submit again. David notMD (talk) 08:53, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your assistance. The Honoring Historian (talk) 13:03, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Cullen328, my concern was the draft's tone, reading like it was a writeup for a memorial. It needs a lead paragraph explaining who he is and what he is famous for, and doesn't need an extensive list of grandchildren described. The more it reads like an obituary, the more likely it will be declined as WP:NOTMEMORIAL. That said, the newer sources are much better. The Kentucky Encyclopedia, that's great, please include that as one of the references. I don't have much access to that because of Google books firewall, but did confirm History of Kentucky from a better source thanks to Casey County, Kentucky. If there are any more writeups, please continue to add. Like: https://explorekyhistory.ky.gov/items/show/221 https://meadecountylocal.news/captain-william-casey-great-grandfather-of-mark-twain/ http://www.columbiamagazine.com/index.php?sid=54539 The verbiage about him being a politician/representative was not in his History of Kentucky bio page, but perhaps can be researched from another book section, or these other websites and books. Please remove Find a Grave as a reference, and replace it with these websites. The meadecountylocal.news one has a YouTube video of a guy visiting his grave anyway.

I have renamed the draft to Draft:William Casey (settler) and attempted a lead paragraph. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 14:58, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Deleted draft after asking for info at the HelpDesk

Hello I was contributing to this page Draft:Aldo_Carotenuto, I tried to publish it since I thought I could be ok (I started from the Italian wiki content, adding references to books and articles in english), it was unpublished so I asked at the HelpDesk, they gave me some hints, I modified the article removing the adjectives that (rightfully) seemed too promotional, then tried to propose it for publication. Your admin ballantly deleted the draft! This is absurd, also I spend a good deal of my time working on it, I understand that it wasn't ready for publication but deleteing the draft is really a silly thing to do! Alphac (talk) 14:54, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Alphac, welcome to the Teahouse. You've asked this question in no less than four different places - the deleting admin's talk page, the declining reviewer's talk page, the AfC help desk, and here. Unfortunately, out of those four, folks who answer questions at the Teahouse are probably the least likely to be of any help, especially since the draft has been deleted and is therefore unreadable by most of us. You've already asked the deleting admin about it, which is the best thing to do; you could also try WP:REFUND. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:11, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Note: the draft has been restored by the aforesaid admin. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:25, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

G11 has been contested. Article draft has been declined but can be improved with additional sources and copy editing. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:28, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

• Alphac As said above, please do not post notices in many various places, it duplicates the effort of other editors to answer to you.

Regardless of the tone issues (see below), you will need to show that this person satisfies Wikipedia’s notability requirements. Note that such requirements may vary between the Italian Wikipedia and the English Wikipedia. For the English Wikipedia, see WP:GNG and WP:NPROF. Note that this is a standard about the topic, not about the draft - if the topic is not notable, stop working on the draft, because it will never be accepted so it would be a waste of time.

Looking at the present state of the draft, I do think the deletion was a bit heavy-handed (the WP:G11 standard is "pages that are exclusively promotional and would need to be fundamentally rewritten to serve as encyclopedia articles, rather than advertisements"). That being said, the draft is certainly too promotional / unreferenced for mainspace. For instance

1. His extensive activity as a scholar, researcher and analyst is evidenced by a vast production... Who says his activity was "extensive"? You would need an independent, reliable source for that. Even so, we usually avoids such labels (even when sourced!) on Wikipedia: see WP:PEACOCK.
2. ...that includes articles and books, some of which are central to personal psychology, psychological therapy and the history of psychology. Who says his articles/books are "central to personal psychology"? You will need particularly good evidence for the latter point, considering that psychoanalysis (of the Freud/Jung kind) is viewed as a pseudoscience by mainstream psychology. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 15:32, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Finding Independent Resources

 Courtesy link: Draft:Mary Motley Kalergis

I'm trying to post a biography of a living person -- a woman documentary photographer named Mary Motley Kalergis (See Draft: Mary Motley Kalergis) She's had numerous books published by major publishing houses (Harper, Dutton, etc.), had photographic exhibitions around the world, and her work has appeared in many publications (New York Times, Time, etc.) It's pretty obvious that she is the real deal, but I understand that Wikipedia has its rules and standards. The most concise way to get a handle on her biography is, of course, her own Webpage, but that is not kosher. The next best way is her Amazon page, which contains links to her many published books, many of which were published quite a while ago. But independent sources are scarce although there is a recent reference to her in the New York Times, also a link to her award from the American Library Association for "Best Young Adult book of 2000: Seen and Heard: Teenagers Talk About Their Lives." Has anyone faced a situation like this before? Any suggestions? CrystlBluPersuason (talk) 17:23, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that if "independent sources are scarce" this means that it is likely that she does not currently meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability.

The underlying problem is that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. This means that if few or no independent sources are found, there is literally nothing which can go into an article. ColinFine (talk) 17:47, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, CrystlBluPersuason. Writing or illustrating books does not make a person notable in itself. However, if there are reviews of those books published by independent, reliable sources, those reviews would help establish notability. Listing various publications that ran her photos is of no value. That would be like me claiming to be a notable construction worker because I have done work at buildings owned by famous corporations. Museum exhibitions need to be referenced properly, and if reviews of those exhibitions critique her work, that helps. If her work is on the permanent collections of major museums, that helps if referenced properly. Cullen328 (talk) 18:27, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

CrystlBluPersuason, the Amazon links should be removed since they are in the business of selling books (and almost everything else). Use Google Books links instead. All of your bare URLs should be converted to complete references. Read Referencing for beginners. Cullen328 (talk) 18:34, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

It seems like her main claim to notability is her involvement with fox hunting, which is barely mentioned in the draft. Cullen328 (talk) 18:45, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

I've deleted this, as largely pasted from the Amazon page for her. (Any admin who disagrees is welcome to revert, without asking or remonstrating with me. I'll be away from Wikipedia for a couple of days.) Considering her position at ICP, I think it's highly likely that usable material about her exists and thus that she is "notable". But an Amazon write-up isn't usable material, and even material of the highest quality can't just be copied and pasted. Tips for a rewrite: Call her by her surname, and I imagine that the magazine clumsily referred to is Camera Mainichi. -- Hoary (talk) 20:42, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for all the advice. I understand the criteria better now and have rewritten the draft with new independent references for notability. Hope this is a step forward. CrystlBluPersuason (talk) 17:07, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Also, I have it in the draft section and am working to improve the reference format per the advice of Cullen328, above. CrystlBluPersuason (talk) 18:21, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Hoary -- You have a lot of experience in creating pages for photographers, many of whom are quite obscure, but, none-the-less, notable. I know I am a newbie editor, but I believe my subject here is, in fact quite noteworthy, as verified by numerous independent sources. My poor editing aside, do you believe that noteworthiness has been established, or do you think I'm wasting my time? (Asked in good faith, and a certain admiration for your formidable reputation.) CrystlBluPersuason (talk) 18:38, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Pls check for correct approach

I've recently completed the user tutorials and ask that someone check that the Talk section that I created to seek resolution of an entry is done correctly. Here's the link: https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Talk:Bighorn_National_Forest thanks, ---dean DWKnuth (talk) 22:01, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 00:05, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Template name update

I spend a lot of time reverting vandalism on the recent changes page. I often use twinkle to do so as part of the templated warnings you send after reverting an obvious piece of vandalism. I was curious. I prefer to be called "Moops", and would even change my username to that if at all possible! Though I think it was taken so I randomly went with "oopsemoops." I was curious at least for the sake of the Twinkle templates though, is there a way for me to ensure that when they say the "Hi I am XYZ..." that it says just "Moops" for that part? — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 20:15, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

@Oopsemoops: no, that's not possible unfortunately. When you identify yourself to someone (especially new) it should be with your full username. It's necessary for basic functions like pinging, using the search bar to find you, etc. —VersaceSpace 🌃 20:54, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

@Oopsemoops: You might be able to change your user name. The existing user "Moops" only has five edits on German Wikipedia from 2007-8, and the Stewards sometimes seem to be willing to allow usurpation of user names in cases like that. You could try your luck at m:Steward requests/Username changes. --bjh21 (talk) 21:45, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

@Oopsemoops: Yes, what Bjh21 said. When global user names were implemented in 2014, to keep my name I had to usurp the name of a French-WP editor who had it first but who had only a few edits and hadn't edited in a long time. I had no problem with usurping the name. Definitely give it a try; see Wikipedia:Changing username/Usurpations. Deor (talk) 22:13, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

I will then. Wish "Moops" some luck! Will the real Moops please stand up! — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 03:38, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Just put the request in! TY. — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 03:48, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

I was trying to create an article but it’s not going through

Creating an article Tony josh (talk) 08:29, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

@Tony josh: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You have to be more specific, I am afraid. I currently see two edits on this account, this one and this one, neither of which is an article creation, and no indication that Wikipedia's systems stopped a creation attempt either. Victor Schmidt (talk) 08:56, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

edit conflict :In your contributions, there is no evidence that you have started an article. Did you click Publish changes at the bottom? That is a save function. Is it possible you had forgotten to log in, so the content was attributed to an IP address? Going forward, new accounts are advised to gain experience before attempting an article. When ready, use the guidance at WP:YFA on how to create and submit a draft for review. David notMD (talk) 09:00, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello Tony josh. New users cannot directly create new articles, you must use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft for a review. Be advised that creating a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia; please read Your First Article and use the new user tutorial before trying it. It's also a good idea to spend much time editing existing articles first, to get a feel for how Wikipedia works and what is being looked for in article content. 331dot (talk) 09:00, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Tony josh, Welcome to the Teahouse. It appears that you have written a profile of yourself on your user page. Your user page is not the place to put attention-gaining profiles for career purposes. In fact, Wikipedia is definitely not for promotion of anything. Social media is a good way to promote your career, for example: Facebook, Linked-in, Instagram, YouTube. Thanks for your interest in Wikipedia, but Wikipedia covers notable subjects, like countries, rivers, presidents, movie directors, famous criminals, famous writers, supermodels, famous rappers, well-known foods and other things which have been written about a lot in reliable, published sources that have no connection to the subject. Good luck with your career, and if you "make it", you may discover that somebody writes a Wikipedia article about you.--Quisqualis (talk) 04:32, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

I wrote an item that was not accepted. I didn't understand the reason for rejection

The reason given to me is “It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. ”But this reason is not clear. Please take a look.

Draft:Wang Hu (ShanDong) thank you Lovely little star (talk) 10:12, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

hi @Lovely little star and welcome to the teahouse! I can't check the sources since I'm on my phone and can't translate them easily, but what you need here are reliable sources (sources from publishers that are known for accuracy and fact-checking. news sites would probably do well) that are independent (aren't influenced by the company, so a company's pages about itself, or other press releases or sponsored content will not be usable). ask yourself: has the subject been the focus of any news articles that talk about them and their history? happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 10:19, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

@Lovely little star: Firstly, the draft was not rejected, it was declined, which means you can work on it and submit again. Draft:Wang Hu (businessman) was created and it was declined two times; the first reason is that it wasn't written from a neutral point of view and the second is that it lacks reliable sources. I'm sure some messages were left on your talk page which was supposed to guide you, but you went ahead to create another Draft:Wang Hu (ShanDong) which was later moved to draft space. Is there a reason why you want to create this article so badly? Comr Melody Idoghor (talk) 11:48, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Sir, I want to write this draft because I cannot continue to write other drafts when I encounter problems, so I don't know why I will encounter such problems next time? I think we must understand the reason to understand a thing? Can have a deeper understanding of this thing. Secondly, if you can provide an article about the important report that is independent of the theme, so that I can understand the news report more intuitively. I never quite understand this. thank you Lovely little star (talk) 02:16, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

I have merged the two drafts together, and declined it again after examining the sources cited. Except for one possible source, they don't comply with Wikipedia:Golden rule. ~Anachronist (talk) 13:02, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

@Lovely little star The blue words in the "decline notice" are clickable links, with much more information. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 06:31, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Resubmitting an article

Please reconsider my article, Draft:Keystone Gallery(Keystone Gallery) is... (Kansas fossil museum), which was rejected by @Greenman on 9.2.22. I heavily edited the article in response to @Greenman's reasons for refusal.

I replied to @Greenman as follows: @Greenman - Thank you for your feedback. I have deleted all references to the museum's own website and also the ad-sounding descriptions in the content. This is a legitimate place for tourists to visit, so I left the contact info at the bottom (which includes the website), since that is similar to other wikipedia pages that are legitimate sites. Also, the activities of the owners are well documented (appearance on the NOVA series, for example), so I left those kinds of sources. Please reconsider this submission. Let me know if I need to place it somewhere else for reconsideration. Thanks MelTeeEditing (talk) 12:24, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

I do not know if it is invisible to Wikipedia editors since it has been deleted. Please help. Thanks! MelTeeEditing (talk) 21:39, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @MelTeeEditing, welcome to the Teahouse. If you wish to resubmit your article, all you need to do is click the blue "Resubmit" button at the bottom of the pink "Submission declined" box atop your draft. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:46, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello @MelTeeEditing. I’m wondering if the last paragraph, giving the address, contact information, admission and hours is needed. You have provided the Keystone Gallery’s website as an External link, and that site should give all that information. Removing the paragraph will lessen the article appearing to be promotional. Best wishes on your Wikipedia endeavors. Karenthewriter (talk) 00:37, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

@MelTeeEditing Aldo, things like operating hours can change. Readers are better off checking the museum's web site instead of relying on people keeping the Wikipedia article updated forever. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 06:46, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

As this is now at Draft:Keystone Gallery, all of that information should be removed from your User page. See WP:UP for what is appropriate for a User page. David notMD (talk) 01:06, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Question regarding Chinese Zodiac Signs

I was really hoping that someone would be able to answer this question that I've asked here, since it would be a huge help, not only for myself but for others as well. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 08:31, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

C.Syde65 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You could mark your comment with {{help me}}(as it appears when viewing this page, not in the edit window where I have added coding to suppress its function) to draw attention to it- though I'm not sure how likely you are that someone knowledgeable will reply. 331dot (talk) 08:35, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Which archive date to use?

Hi Teahouse, I've been doing some gnome work archiving links to avoid link rot, but in many cases the sources are already present on archive.org and have been captured multiple times. In these circumstances, which capture date should be used? The most recent, closest to publication date, something else entirely? WP:CITE and associated pages don't seem to have the answer, or at least if they do I can't find it. StartGrammarTime (talk) 09:40, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

@StartGrammarTime I was involved in a discussion on this now archived at WP:Help_desk/Archives/2022 August 25#Older or newer archive URLs.3F and I'd still advise as stated there. the important thing is to ensure the capture on the archive date used does actually contain the material that needs to be cited: many later captures give "404" errors or similar. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:01, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull Thank you for the link! I have been making sure the captures contain the referenced material, since avoiding link rot by supplying pre-rotted links seemed a bit...counterproductive. StartGrammarTime (talk) 10:07, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Signing comments with tildes necessary in official app?

Hello, hoping to find clarity:

as a noob I've been trying to sign my comments with "Chiselinccc (talk) 07:01, 15 September 2022 (UTC)" as I had seen advised, however when I forgot to in a talk page thread, I noticed that my signature and timestamp showed up anyways.

I'm using the Wikipedia android app, does this "automatically sign" comments for logged in users or something? Just wanted to check, as most of my small edits will be from the mobile app and it will be nice if I don't have to worry about signatures there!

Thanks and cheers! Chiselinccc (talk) 07:01, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

@Chiselinccc Welcome to the Teahouse! It depends on a couple of things. If you use "edit source" to reply within a thread like this one, in general you need to sign with the four tildes, and indent according to conventions, although if you forget there is a bot that usually manages to add your signature. In my experience it can fail, especially on busy Talk Pages like this one. However, in recent months there is a better way: use the "reply" at the end of the previous person's entry and you'll get a real-time view of how your addition will look, together with an automatic signature/timestamp and indentations. Also, you'll never run into edit conflicts. If you are creating a new section on someone's Talk Page, the software automatically assumes you want to use this new method and again will sign for you. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:13, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Hrishikesh_Suryawanshi

how to tackle or edit this page so this would be apporved Hsuryakesh (talk) 12:58, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. I suggest you read Help:Your first article, and take note that an article requires reliable, independent sources that demonstrate that the topic has notability. But creating an article is very difficult for new users, so I suggest that you spend some time editing before trying to create one. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 13:17, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

A75

Can I edit the A75 Wikipedia 212.140.250.170 (talk) 07:55, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Go ahead, you should be able to FishandChipper 🐟🍟 13:14, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

@FishandChipper, they can't - A75 road has been protected due to disruption by various IPs, including the one above. Quoting one of the reverting editors: "unsourced and incorrect changes to route details, and flooding of infobox with small towns on the route and larger cities many miles from the route". 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:29, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Vandalism Help

Hi. Someone keeps editing the page https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Russian to include the text "Death to the war criminal state Russia!". Every time I undo it, it appears again. Any assistance? ButterCashier (talk) 10:12, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

@ButterCashier it seems as though the page has now been protected so only trusted users can edit it. Blanchey (talk) 11:42, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

@ButterCashier, what the previous response meant was that only people with a certain amount of time and edits on Wikipedia can edit the page.

Asparagusus (interaction) 13:29, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Please help: Libelous content

The section Digital Currency Group#Allegations of lending malfeasance is libelous, poorly sourced and needs to be removed. It is based on a Medium blog by an anonymous non-expert with 100 followers, which by itself is an unacceptable source according to WP:RSSELF. Medium is a platform similar to WordPress or Tumblr - while some editorial sites use it, in this case the blogger is anonymous and states in the article they relied on their own original research, and that the article was written as “speculation” based on primary sources they interpreted, thus failing WP:RELIABLE. I have a COI as a paid consultant for DCG and don’t want to violate WP:COI - are editors able to assist? Thanks much.CertifiedTurtle (talk) 16:17, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Cullen removed it before I got to it. PICKLEDICAE🥒 16:23, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, CertifiedTurtle. I agree with you that the source is glaringly unreliable and accordingly have removed the section. I want to caution you about using words like "libelous", which may be construed as a legal threat. Also, libel applies only to human beings, not corporations. Cullen328 (talk) 16:25, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Great, thank you for your help! CertifiedTurtle (talk) 16:29, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Submitting a missing topics list?

Can anyone tell me how to submit a missing topics list? I created a few of these for WP:MISSING some years ago but one list seems to have been missed. The WP:MISSING member who created them for me isn't active anymore so I'm not sure what to do next. I left a message at the WP:MISSING talk page but never got a reply. Is this something I would submit to Wikipedia:Articles for creation? Thanks. 173.162.220.17 (talk) 22:42, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi IP editor. Such a list would not be suitable for AfC, as it's not intended to be a mainspace article. If WP:MISSING has gone inactive, then I'd recommend either posting the list at WikiProject Professional wrestling (since that seems to be the subject involved) or adding to the list of requested articles. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:15, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Newpaper article from 1980 about Thomas Mac Laren the architect

Hi - I am new to all this. I am going through boxes from my parents house. In it is an article about Thomas Mac Laren from the Gazette Telegraph pages 18D and 19D on Saturday, March 29, 1980 There is a picture of him in the article and designs for two buildings. I don't know how to connect any of this to his page. https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Thomas_MacLaren Thanks for any guidance. 2603:6080:F802:2000:BD06:3CF0:6C65:BC6A (talk) 17:29, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi IP user, welcome to the Teahouse. If you think there is important information in the newspaper article which is not already included at Thomas MacLaren, feel free to paraphrase that information and add it to our article, citing the newspaper article as your source. See referencing for beginners for instructions on how to create inline citations. If that's too much trouble, you could simply start a discussion on the talk page - Talk:Thomas MacLaren - and post the name of the newspaper, article title, and date, for other folks to look up and use in the Wikipedia article if they so choose. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:41, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1164, IP editor. To add onto the answer 199.208.172.35 gave you, citing is enough; please don't scan and upload the articles on here or Wikipedia's sister project Commons as there's a chance they may be held under some copyright. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:29, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Link capitalization

What should be the case of links? Can someone send me a WP page on how I should approach this? Thanks Maccore Henni user talk Respond using tb, please. 21:15, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

What kind of link are you talking about? Probably either Wikilinks and external links will answer your question. ColinFine (talk) 21:29, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Is what I did for the link on ref. 58 here okay? 22:04, 14 September 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mac Henni (talk • contribs)

Diff link for convenience: here. Are you talking about capitalizing the title of the link within the citation template? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:11, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes 22:48, 14 September 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mac Henni (talk • contribs)

No else has followed up, so I'll give my not-so-expert opinion: if the original title is in allcaps, I usually adjust it to title case before entering it into the citation template. Otherwise I maintain the case of the original, even if it's not title case. I don't think an actual rule about such things has been laid down anywhere (yet). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:48, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

SuggestBot

Hello, does any of you know how to customize User:SuggestBot so that it can only suggest certain types of articles (eg. video games, movies, music). If so, how? Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 17:10, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

PS. Do you know if I have SuggestBot set up correctly? Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 17:14, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

@Pizzaplayer219: Yes, you can ask SuggestBot to suggest articles in certain categories. See User:SuggestBot/Requests#Suggestions_based_on_specific_pages RudolfRed (talk) 17:18, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

But can I do it for every time suggestbot suggests something automatically. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 17:43, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Pizzaplayer219, I don't know if this will answer your question, but I keep a copy of my SuggestBot code in a text file. When I want new suggestions, I paste that code into my Talk page. When the suggestions arrive, the bot deletes the code. When I want more suggestions, I just paste the code again, after which I get an entirely new batch of suggestions. I don't know any way of automating the process, but it only takes a few seconds to do it manually. Mike Marchmont (talk) 18:50, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Help with "formal tone"

My draft biographical article, Draft:John Coate, was rejected for not having the "formal tone" expected of a Wikipedia article and for lacking appropriate sources. I was pretty careful to support any characterizations of the subject with appropriate sources (two books, two journal articles, five newspaper articles and one magazine article), so I could really use some more specific suggestions before starting to edit. Thanks for your help! Oldgirlpop (talk) 16:25, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Oldgirlpop Declined (not 'Rejected', which is more severe.) David notMD (talk) 16:47, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Oldgirlpop. "Pioneer" is a red flag. Such an assessment should be attributed to a reliable source instead of stated in Wikipedia's voice. "Fixing cars in Marin County in 1986" sounds like something from a human interest story, not an encyclopedia article, unless this is widely discussed in reliable sources, like Harrison Ford's carpentry work. The content about SFGate is all referenced to its parent company, his employer at the time. Independent sources should be used for assertions of importance. Also, more wikilinks are needed. I hope that this helps. Cullen328 (talk) 16:50, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I wondered if "pioneer" was a stumbling block. I have changed it. This gets really complicated, but the San Francisco Chronicle is editorially independent from SFGate and at the time Coate was hired, SFGate was not wholly owned by the Chronicle, but was a joint project of the Chronicle (then owned by the De Young family), the rival San Francisco Examiner (then owned by Hearst) and by KRON-TV (then owned by the De Youngs, but operated separately from their newspaper). So technically, the San Francisco Chronicle was not his employer. There has been a lot of reshuffling and consolidation of ownership of news organizations in the Bay Area since then, but some of this is covered on the Wikipedia page for the Chronicle if you really want to get into the weeds. Oldgirlpop (talk) 17:24, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Noted! :-) Oldgirlpop (talk) 17:25, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Oldgirlpop, The Chronicle was the part owner of SFGate and had an interest in saying nice things about its subsidiary and a departing employee of that subsidiary. No experienced Wikipedia editor would accept these as independent sources. Cullen328 (talk) 18:05, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) @Oldgirlpop: The most pressing concern is to prove John Coate is "notable" in Wikipedia’s sense of the term. That means you should dig up sources that are simultaneously (1) independent of the subject (interviews or stuff where he is quoted do not count), (2) reliable (newspaper articles are generally OK, blog posts are generally not), and (3) deals with the subject at length (a small announcement that "X resigns from company Y, is replaced by Z" does not count). From a cursory look, your draft does not seem to contain such sources. If you cannot find such sources, I advise you to immediately stop editing the draft, because all your hard work will be wasted.

Now, let’s assume you find such sources. Then, we need to make sure that everything the article says is cited to a source. For that purpose the requirement is a tad lower, we only require sources that are reliable, that is, that meet point (2) but not necessarily (1) and (3). In that respect, it seems to me that the current draft is doing OK.

Finally, we turn to tone issues. That is definitely the lowest issue on the list, because it is fixable. As it stands, your draft resembles a hagiography rather than a neutral biography. Consider the very first sentence: John Coate (born ca. 1951) is an American pioneer in creating online communities.. What does "pioneer" mean? Nothing, but it elicits warm feelings in the reader (that’s the plan, anyway). That is what we call a peacock term - a term with low information but high positive content. The rest of the draft also tends to paint John Coate in a positive light, even if there are no egregious passages. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 17:00, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

My sources include two books, two journal articles and a magazine article; are those OK? I have added a third academic citation of his essay "Cyberspace Innkeeping." I understand concerns about the use of San Francisco Chronicle articles, but as I explained in my comment above, the Chronicle was not his employer: SFGate was, at the time, independently run under a joint operating agreement with a competing newspaper. (There has been a lot of consolidation in ownership in the Bay Area since then.) SFGate is still independently operated, but is now owned by the same media company that purchased the Chronicle in the early 2000s. Oldgirlpop (talk) 17:32, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Oldgirlpop, at this point, the lead section does not adequately summarize the body of the draft. Please read WP:LEAD. Cullen328 (talk) 18:15, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Someone else has also been editing this, so I'm not sure what version you saw, but this has been significantly beefed up. Oldgirlpop (talk) 22:50, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Just a point about social norms on Wikipedia, Oldgirlpop: it is entirely acceptable to edit articles created by others, even drafts. The fact that multiple experienced editors have taken an interest in your draft is actually a very good sign, because presumably they think it has a good chance of passing review. Most drafts are not edited until a reviewer decides to accept them.

While Cullen328 is correct that the lead should match the body, failure to do so is certainly not a blocker to bring the article in mainspace. Sources might still be (see below), but otherwise I think it could be resubmitted. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 13:14, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Side discussion about whether "successful" is neutral or not

Also, I think Cullen328’s edit here is not a good example to follow - it added the definitely non-neutral wording He later helped create (...) a successful online news site, which honestly surprises me for an editor of his caliber. Tigraan, I think that a news website that has been operating for 28 years and averages 25 million unique visitors per month can be called "successful" without violating neutrality. Cullen328 (talk) 16:57, 14 September 2022 (UTC) Cullen328, I refer you to the Bob Dylan example in WP:PEACOCK. I certainly think Bob Dylan is a brilliant songwriter, and I certainly think a local news outlet with 25M unique visitors per month is successful; but we are supposed to give only the facts to our readers, not lead them to those interpretations. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 08:25, 15 September 2022 (UTC) Tigraan, note that the word "successful" does not appear in WP:PEACOCK and all of the many examples given there are far more subjective. Just as we can say that a politician who won an election with 60% of the vote was successful or a mountaineer who reached an unclimbed summit was successful, we can say that a website that has operated for decades and is visited by many millions of people each month is also successful. Cullen328 (talk) 15:32, 15 September 2022 (UTC) To avoid cluttering the Teahouse, I will take the discussion to Cullen’s talk page. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 15:41, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

@Oldgirlpop: If you think you have some sources that pass all three criteria I outlined above, I suggest you post a short note on the talk page (Draft talk:John Coate) listing the best three of them (why three? read WP:THREE). If necessary, include some details about what the source says where: if it is a 300-page book it is courteous to tell that the relevant materialtc is on pages 147 and 253, and use short representative excerpts. Listing the notability-granting sources is not mandatory, but it will tremendously help reviewers in evaluating the article in gray cases.

In general, books (not published by vanity presses) and magazine articles (in respectable venues) pass criteria #2 (reliability), but not necessarily #1 (independence) if they are written by the subject or coworkers etc. or #3 if they only briefly mention the subject.

Finally, please note that Wikipedia’s meaning of "independence" is rather expansive. One could probably argue that a piece published by Greenpeace is not independent when it talks about the World Wide Fund for Nature, because even if the two organizations are entirely separate, they still share some general goals.

Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 13:14, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Coate's role in creating community on the WELL is discussed in non-vanity books by journalists Katie Hafner (New York Times) and Gal Beckerman (The Atlantic) and academic Fred Turner (Stanford); I've added representative excerpts and cited them in the draft. I've given three examples of academic citations of Coate's essay. Other material is from Wired Magazine and the Ukiah and Santa Rosa newspapers. If you think this is sufficient, could I resubmit? Oldgirlpop (talk) 18:57, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

How about searching users on English Wikipedia with "U:(user)"

In Chinese Wikipedia, when you search like "U:AT" (AT is an administrator of Chinese Wikipedia) and enter, the result will take you to the AT's user page. How about the English Wikipedia? Can I just type "U:(user)" and it takes me to the user page, too? SinSyuan~Give big hands to future! 05:13, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

I tried. Doesn't seem to work. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 06:05, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Sinsyuan. Each language version of Wikipedia is run separately and independently. On English Wikipedia, you can reach a userpage by entering "User:(username)" in the search box. My userpage is at User: Cullen328. Cullen328 (talk) 06:39, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Reply to @Cullen328 and Vortex3427: Got it, thank you. SinSyuan~Give big hands to future! 07:27, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

@Sinsyuan: The Chinese U: is a namespace alias controlled by mw:Manual:$wgNamespaceAliases in https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php whics says:

'wgNamespaceAliases' => [
...
'+zhwiki' => [
		'U' => NS_USER, // T183711

It was requested in phab:T183711. The English Wikipedia has made no such request. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:35, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Article rejected on the biggest, cultural event of Hindu religion

I created a neutral, factual article on the most notable & historic cultural event of Hindu religion. This article was rejected probably because of the editor were not fully aware of the notability of the event. Other figures such as Charles Darwin, Alfred Russel, John Cage etc. have their pages of 100th year celebration. Darwin has several pages for the same event.

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Darwin_Centennial_Celebration_(1959) https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Alfred_Russel_Wallace_centenary https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Darwin_Day https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Commemoration_of_Charles_Darwin https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/John_Cage_Day

Most Hindus in India experience the Western imperial mindset continues belittle Hindu culture and symbols of Hindu culture.

I fail to understand how the biggest Hindu cultural celebration and 100th anniversary celebration is rejected and singer, explorer and other such figures pages are accepted. I would like to understand the decisions made by Wiki editors who reject Hindu pages. Pritinagpur (talk) 21:15, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

@Pritinagpur can you link the article? It likely is a matter of you not including enough sources rather than the event itself not being notable. Immanuelle 💗 (please tag me) 21:24, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Apparently the various attempts at creating the article have led to deletion and salting - see Pramukh swami maharaj shatabadi mahotsav and User:Pritinagpur/Pramukh swami maharaj shatabadi mahotsav. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:36, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

And I assume the individual being celebrated is Pramukh Swami Maharaj. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:40, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

I see. The birthday of this guy Pramukh Swami Maharaj. He is definitely notable but his birthday being significant is up for debate. He is much more recent than all the people listed there so this holiday might become significant in the future but probably isn't notable in itself right now Immanuelle 💗 (please tag me) 21:42, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

It definitely isn't the the biggest, cultural event of Hindu religion, my quick googling says Diwali is the more likely candidate. But it might be the biggest cultural event of the Bochasanwasi Akshar Purushottam Swaminarayan Sanstha. Immanuelle 💗 (please tag me) 21:58, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

How many references need?

Hello, Teahouse. I am editing a Draft of an article where I am looking for references for artists. What should I do if it is difficult (or even impossible) to find a Reference for a artist? Thank you in advance — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crystallizedh (talk • contribs) 21:20, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Crystallizedh, welcome to the Teahouse. If a source is, indeed, impossible to find, then the information should not be included. Verifiability is one of our core policies. Distinguishing between "difficult" and "impossible" is tricky - in the end, if you can't find a source, and you're not sure it can be sourced at all, don't include it. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:32, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Crystallizedh and welcome to the Teahouse! If it is difficult or impossible to find a reference for an artist, then it is probably not worth adding to your list. Other than that, it looks good! Happy Editing! Helloheart (talk) 21:33, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

A) Do not add an artist if there is not an existing Wikipedia article about that person (hence names appear blue). B) Wikilinking to neoclassical metal is good, but your list article would be improved by the lede adding details and refs, copied from that article (with attribution in the Edit summary). David notMD (talk) 22:46, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

আমির

মলিলক — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.111.202.124 (talk) 07:47, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

This seems to be Bengali, but Google translate is entirely unhelpful - perhaps it's a name? IP editor, it would be more helpful if you could communicate in English, or - if you prefer Bengali - you could try Bengali Wikipedia. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:55, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

I know Bengali. I think he is trying to write his name here. Mehedi Abedin 23:01, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Autocorrect

When I enter a search term Autocorrect often alters what I wrote. What I do to avoid this is to type a letter, hit backspace, type the same letter again, then type the next letter, hit backspace again, etc. That usually works, but it's annoying. What else can be done? Is it possible to turn off autocorrect? 99.9.112.135 (talk) 06:09, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

As far as I am aware any autocorrection on Wikipedia is part of your browser or operating system, so you will need to consult that product's handbook about how to turn off autocompletion. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:21, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Content

I am Eunice Alejandra López Sánchez known as Eunice Shade, mexican-nicaraguan writer. Since months ago I asked to erase a page of my work because I do not know how the page ended in hands of another people that I do not know, without my authorization. And today appears this: https://es.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Eunice_Shade&action=history&year=2021&month=12&tagfilter= I would like this to be erased. I would like also tell you that I HAVE NOT authorized any creative commons license of my work or something like it. I also would like to tell you that this another page of Wikipedia is not authorized by me and I would like this page be erased from internet because there is false material: :https://www.eswiki.org/wiki/Eunice_Shade I also would like to know how to register my material on internet for free, photos, writings, etc I also would like to open a new page on Wikipedia with my own edition because I need to update my things as I say because it is my job. I will appreciate your help, Eunice. --Cisnedenieve (talk) 06:06, 15 September 2022 (UTC) Cisnedenieve (talk) 00:32, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Cisnedenieve and welcome to the Teahouse! I would try contacting one of these administrators and see what they can do. If they cannot do anything then I would find some reliable sources to fix the "false information" you found- but I would discourage this since Wikipedia is written from a neutral point of view and you would have a conflict of interest. Wait for more replies on this post and then decide what to do. Happy editing! Helloheart (talk) 00:36, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer. It is incomplete content for that reason it is not true. I will be waiting for your help. Cisnedenieve (talk) 00:41, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Cisnedenieve - This is English Wikipedia. The links you provided are to content as Spanish Wikipedia (es.wikipedia). You have to raise your objections there. IF the content in question was at English Wikipedia, an article about a person does not require authorization from that person. Also, attempts at autobiography are not recommended (but not forbidden). If there are errors in the article, you would be advised to propose changes on the Talk page of the article rather than editing the article directly. David notMD (talk) 01:30, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

• @Cisnedenieve: Actually, David notMD was a bit hasty in reading the links.

The first link is indeed to Spanish Wikipedia, where it shows that the page about Eunice Shade was deleted about two months ago. The log page itself is likely to stay. The deletion reason is maybe a bit dubious ("editing test"? was this not a real article?) but I do not think you should care much about that.

The second one is to eswiki.org, a Wikipedia mirror (= a site that copy-pastes stuff from Wikipedia). Wikipedia (in English, Spanish, or in any other language), or the Wikimedia Foundation (the organization behind the Wikipedias), has no control over eswiki.org. You would have to take it up with them. Looking at their legal notice, they are probably German.

In general, nobody needs your permission to write about you. (On English Wikipedia we usually tend to delete borderline biography articles when asked to by the subject, but that’s a courtesy, not a legal requirement.) As far as I can tell, your works have not been posted under the creative commons license; text about you, but written by other persons (Wikipedia editors), has been posted under such a license. As far as I can tell, eswiki.org does comply with the license, and is therefore allowed to reuse es-Wikipedia’s content (even if es-Wikipedia has deleted it). Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 11:07, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Can you review an Article I made?

I wrote an article and it got a C rating and I want to know how I can improve it. Can you recommend what I can do? Marshmallo3535 (talk) 01:19, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

COURTESY: Of the four articles you have created, only Bee Branch Creek (Iowa) is rated C-class. David notMD (talk) 01:37, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, that is the one Im talking about. Sorry for not making it more clear. Marshmallo3535 (talk) 01:42, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Marshmallo3535. Let's take a look at the five sentence lead section of this article, which says The Bee Branch Creek is a waterway found in Dubuque, Iowa that flows into the Mississippi River. The drainage basin covers 50% of Dubuque's population or business. The city has modified it multiple times over the years to combat flooding. Along the creek are trails and playground equipment. The restoration project is expected to cost $230 million.. In the first sentence, "found" is extraneous. It implies that people need to go searching for it. The second sentence is strange because drainage basins are usually defined by geographic area instead of population or business. Did you mean "businesses"? The third sentence introduces some possibly notable content but does not follow through. The fourth sentence shifts dramatically to landscaping and playground matters, which I perceive as jarring and unwarranted. The fifth sentence addresses one restoration project as if it is the only one even though we are told in the third sentence that there have been multiple projects. We learn nothing about what the project hopes to accomplish, how it compares to previous projects, and only its projected budget. Those five sentences do not hold together as a coherent overview of the topic. Cullen328 (talk) 04:37, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks very much, I will work on it. Marshmallo3535 (talk) 12:56, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Combining references used multiple times

Hey there!

I am trying to combine references used multiple times in my article. I read the citing error page but it's unclear. Can anyone help? Thank you.

Draft:Andre Soares (Brazilian-American writer, actor) A1ProtocolX (talk) 10:49, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

@A1ProtocolX Welcome to the Teahouse. What you need are called "named references". See WP:Citing sources#Repeated citations for the details. Basically, at the first instance you use <ref name=Mychosenname> and subsequently use <ref name=Mychosenname/> (note the /> at the end of the second occurrence). Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:00, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your response Mike! I read this article but where I'm not clear is that I used the citation generator in my article so all I have in my source data is a reflist tag and the references are within my text. How do I link those refnames to my citations? Thank you. A1ProtocolX (talk) 13:41, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

@A1ProtocolX, I turned one of your citations into a named reference as an example. See what I did in this diff (you can revert my change once you've had a good look). You can use any word you want in place of "name", that's just a placeholder. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:57, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

@A1ProtocolX I made an edit shown in this diff from which you should be able to see what needs to be done in general. I'll make some other comments on the draft on your Talk Page, as the Teahouse comments get archived rather quickly. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:58, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Need assistance with an article

I recently started my Wikipedia journey by writing a piece on Mr. Ravish Naresh(one of renowned startup founders in India). However, the article got rejected mentioning it as an advertisement. I am unsure which pointers/content made it look that way. Since this is my first time writing content on Wikipedia, it would be really helpful if someone can kindly guide me with the necessary adjustments which is needed to be edited.

I took reference from this article - Binny Bansal.

Article Link - Draft:Ravish Naresh

Looking forward towards your assistance.

Regards,

Deepankar Deepankarborokb (talk) 11:48, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

The main issues I can find with the article is that its very flowery and boasting which goes against WP:Peacock. You should try to use more neutral terms when writing to avoid this. Another point is that it feels like its written like an advertisment for Mr. Naresh's ventures with lines like "Khatabook became India's fastest-growing SaaS company that enables micro, small and medium businesses to increase efficiency and profitability through safe and secure digital solutions" sounding like they were taken directly from an advertisement. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 12:37, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

@Deepankarborokb You might like to read WP:SOLUTIONS to see why that sort of language isn't appropriate. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:48, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

A nuance, but it was Declined, not Rejected, which is more severe. David notMD (talk) 12:50, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

It should also be noted that he may not even fall under WP:Notable, all of the articles you have cited are articles about his works and not actually about Naresh himself. He isn't even mentioned on the page Housing.com, a website he was supposedly a founder of. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 14:04, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Are citations still needed when cross-referencing a linked article which does contain them?

I recently added a subsection to an existing article, with a main article crossref at the start. The copy that I added was a short précis of the main article's key loints as it related to the article I was editing, but did not include the citations from the main article (Those in turn were named references so a simple cut/paste wasn't possible.

My addendum was reverted wholesale citing the lack of RS (while the linked main article is chokka with them), and I can't help but feel that it was a heavy-handed revert. More specifically, since the article in question involves religious critique of a sort, my WP:AGF-o-meter is flatlining, if you get my drift.

The referencing guide is not clear on how to handle this kind of cross-refencing situation. Any advice? Thanks!

AbominableIntelligence (talk) 14:07, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @AbominableIntelligence, welcome to the Teahouse. The short answer is: yes, you need to add citations. The long answer is: a link to another Wikipedia article does not count as a valid reference. Even if all the content you added is currently supported by refs in that other article, you don't know what will happen to that other article or those refs in the future; it may be rewritten, it may be deleted, the references that support the content you added may vanish in any number of ways. You should carry over any and all citations that support your content. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:16, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Ta, that makes sense. I'll go and grovel over the reflist then! AbominableIntelligence (talk) 14:22, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Wounded Knee - incorrect listing

Hello - the page title here is incorrect: https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wounded_Knee_Battlefield The official name of this site, according to the National Archives Catalogue, is Wounded Knee National Historic Landmark. This is not a 'Battlefield' as the Native Americans were massacred here. I've confirmed the correct name with Sherry A. Frear, Chief & Deputy Keeper, National Register of Historic Places & National Historic Landmarks Program. How can I change the title of the page to be 'Wounded Knee National Historic Landmark' and remove the word 'Battlefield'? Thank you 173.23.252.19 (talk) 15:19, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Citation: Chief Frear (National Register of Historic Places) referred to the original application in her response to me. The original 551 page application and listing in the National Archives Catalogue is here: https://catalog.archives.gov/id/93204318 173.23.252.19 (talk) 15:21, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, welcome to the Teahouse. There seems to be conflicting information - this source and the property name in the National Register of Historic Places use "battlefield". The place to work this out would be the talk page; I see there have been several attempts to change the name recently, but no talk page discussion. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:32, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion

I have just posted information on my company. No Marketing content and the page has been deleted. Please advise how to get the page up and running!

Sorabht (talk) 17:45, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Sorabht, welcome to the Teahouse. You've posted some unsourced content about your company to your user page. There are several problems here: first, your user page is a place to post information about yourself as a Wikipedia editor, not a place to write articles (see HELP:YFA for information about writing articles - please read it carefully); second, as the owner of the company, you are a paid editor and must make the appropriate disclosures (see WP:PAID for information about disclosing - please also read that carefully); third, content on Wikipedia must be supported by reliable sources, and any article subject must be notable by our standards (please follow those links and read those pages carefully as well - yes, a great deal of reading is involved around here!). Once you've read and followed all those instructions and submitted your draft article to WP:AfC, you may finally get an article "up and running". 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:56, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Sorabht. I will add something to what the IP user said. Many people misunderstand what Wikipedia is.

If at some point Wikipedia has an article about your company, the article will not beong to you, will not be controlled by you, will not necessarily say what you want it to say (and might say things that you would prefer it didn't say), and it should be based almost 100% on what people who have no connection with you have published about your company, not on what you say or want to say. I cannot see your deleted draft, but judging from what you have said above, that consisted of what you want to say about your company. But Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.

If suitable independent sources exist, your company may meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability: most companies do not. If it does, then it may be worth pursuing this. If not, you will be wasting your time and ours by continuing. ColinFine (talk) 18:04, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

question

Do you need a source in an infobox? 161.77.57.235 (talk) 18:24, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes Fa60381 (talk) 18:26, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi, IP editor, and welcome! Sources are not required if the information is included later in the body of the article and cited there. See this for the full guideline. Happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 18:30, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

I want to move article from Sandbox to Wikipedia live

Hello Experts, I am unable to move my article from Sandbox to Wikipedia live. There has no move option or anything like this. Can you please tell me what was the problem? Is there any problem in my account or anything else? I will grateful to you. Thank You Fa60381 (talk) 18:24, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Fa60381, welcome to the Teahouse. Your account must be autoconfirmed in order to create an article. However, in its current state, your article would be quickly moved back out of mainspace (or possibly deleted), since it is a biography of a living person that is entirely unsourced. You need to provide reliable sources for the information in the draft, and create inline citations to those sources. Please see your first article and referencing for beginners 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:30, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

@Fa60381, additionally, I notice that the photograph which you uploaded as "own work" has a watermark in the top right with a copyright statement by what seems to be the photographer or photography studio. Are you the photographer who took that photograph? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:34, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

format

I am not sure if I have the right format for my most recent edit, so maybe someone could take a look please. Thanks! 161.77.57.235 (talk) 18:58, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 19:03, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Possible to vanish/undo edits made with IP address (anonymously)?

It's not possible to associate edits made by IP address with an account. In the interest of privacy, is it possible to delete, remove, or vanish contributions made from an IP address instead? For example, such a function would be helpful if edits were made when not logged in. LagMotion (talk) 22:03, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @LagMotion, welcome to the Teahouse. Privacy concerns like accidental logged-out editing are handled by an appeal to the folks at WP:OVERSIGHT. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:12, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

wikipedia discord ban

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Hi there, I got banned from the Wikimedia Community Discord, is there a place to appeal? A diehard editor (talk | edits) 22:06, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Nevermind - found it at Wikipedia talk:Discord. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 22:09, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

@A diehard editor, see Wikipedia:Discord#Ban appeals. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:09, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Seeking Assistance to Update Newfold Digital's Information On Wikipedia

Hello there!

I am seeking assistance on behalf of Newfold Digital (who is paying me, as their direct employee, to make edits, as disclosed on my user page) in updating our presence on the site to more accurately reflect our company’s structure with a properly-sourced article written from the ground up to describe our large web presence business and list our prominent subsidiaries.

I don’t think making edits to the current article will suffice, as it is simply a relabeled Endurance International Group (EIG) article, whereas Newfold Digital is comprised of several companies/company groups and is a new entity formed from those companies, rather than a rebranded EIG.

With that in mind, I am seeking to have that article reverted to merely describe the legacy EIG holdings and include a link to a new Newfold Digital article, which I would like to write and build out in a coherent and informative manner, without advertising/selling or reducing the article to a timeline of acquisitions.

I would love to partner with an experienced editor to help make these changes, and would greatly appreciate feedback from any editors who can guide me in the proper course of action.

I feel that Newfold Digital is a significant company and will be of interest to readers in the technology space, given the prominent companies in its portfolio, and am willing to spend whatever amount of time and effort is necessary to create an article that both matches Wikipedia’s standards and describes the company in a neutral way.

I would greatly appreciate any advice or direction the Wikipedia community is willing to provide! NewfoldComms (talk) 16:20, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

I meant to include the article link above: Newfold Digital - Wikipedia NewfoldComms (talk) 16:23, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Your plan seems sound to me (though I would not myself be able to assist you): it's annoying when re-purposings like this wipe out historical information about the pre-merger company. But can I point out a couple of things.

Firstly, Wikipedia Account names are required to represent (and be used by) a single individual, and not be suggestive only of a corporate entity – see Wikipedia:Username policy. "NewfoldComms" probably falls foul of this, so you should think about getting it changed to something like "Bob at NewfoldComms".

Secondly, I wonder if the other component companies under the Newfold Digital umbrella have, or should have, their own pre-merger articles. If they do, fine. If they don't, and they can qualify as Notable, it would be satisfying if these could also be created, but of course it makes the task rather bigger. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.193.131.160 (talk) 16:46, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback and prompt response!

Regarding my account name, that was an oversight on my part, and I have submitted a username change request to get it changed to something in line with the rules.

As far as the component companies, it appears all of the major brands have their own articles. These will likely need updating in time (if only to include a link to the Newfold Digital article) and I am happy to work through that process as well. Listing all of the brands Newfold Digital owns might not be feasible or desirable, as many of these have a very low public profile. Mentioning only the notable brands would probably result in the best experience for the reader (and having all of the mentioned companies link back to their respective articles would indeed be satisfying).

I appreciate your insights! NewfoldComms (talk) 18:21, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @NewfoldComms, welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for being transparent and asking questions about how to do things according to The Rulez. Unfortunately, like my fellow IP editor above, there isn't much I can do in the way of partnership, but I can offer some recommendations.

First, study our sourcing requirements and article creation procedures carefully (HELP:YFA is a good place to start if you haven't seen it already). Second, I would recommend starting work on two drafts, one the "new" Newfold Digital article and the other the legacy EIG article. Once you think you've got them in good shape, ask around for opinions from editors - post on the talk page of the current article, at any relevant WikiProjects, and typically you can get some good feedback from folks here at the Teahouse. From there, I think your best bet would be submitting them both to Articles for Creation (with a note that you're essentially splitting the existing article) rather than going the edit request route, but others may have a different opinion. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:07, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your recommendation! I'll start by reviewing those requirements and then get to work on some drafts. The legacy EIG article could use some cleaning up (if only to resolve WP:PROSELINE), so the thought of creating drafts for both articles is appealing. I will submit those drafts for feedback when ready, as you suggest, and go from there.

I really appreciate you responding so quickly and with such helpful info! Thank you! NewfoldComms (talk) 18:26, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

@NewfoldComms, no problem! Maybe I should note that you are not absolutely forbidden from editing the article - it's strongly suggested that you don't, and many editors will give you a virtual stinkeye for it, but it's not prohibited. Minor cleanup won't get the book thrown at you. On the other hand, maybe it's best to play it safe, especially since you're new hereabouts.

The other generally approved avenue for making changes, as I mentioned, is using {{edit request}}s on the talk page. However, the backlog is high, and the larger/more complicated the request, the longer it will take to find someone who's willing to dedicate their time to it. AfC isn't the speediest of processes either, but if you submit a clean, well-referenced draft, I think you'll get more bang for your (or, rather, your employer's) buck there. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:12, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

@NewfoldComms: Your primary concern at this point should be changing your username to something more individual in nature, otherwise you risk your account being blocked for using a corporate username. After that, then you can turn your attention to learning the procedure to make edit requests. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 20:02, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

A request has apparently already been submitted, Drm310 - see above. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:07, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Apparently they've also tried to create a sandbox draft, only to have it promptly deleted (ouch). Wikipediaing is definitely harder than it looks. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:12, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Cordless Larry, I missed that. My apologies, NewfoldComms - I hope your rename request is processed soon. Good luck. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 20:20, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

I hope so, too! NewfoldComms (talk) 21:26, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

And thank you! NewfoldComms (talk) 21:26, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Live and learn! I was just experimenting with formatting in the sandbox, and, indeed, it was deleted for advertising. I've started working on a draft using the wizard instead, and I'm saving my back-up in a Word file. Gradually working my way through the educational materials provided in parallel. I hope to have the paired article drafts ready for feedback and review next week.

It is harder than it looks, but I must also note how much assistance I've been provided in this thread by individuals who have nothing to gain other than helping someone else out, and I have to say that's pretty cool! Again, sincerely appreciate it. NewfoldComms (talk) 21:26, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Watch your tone (be dry and factual) and your sources (use independent, reliable, secondary sources almost exclusively, and source everything) and that shouldn't happen again, @NewfoldComms. Hopefully.

Wikipedia is generally supposed to be a bunch of folks getting together to support the free spread of knowledge just because they think it's cool. Hopefully we end up doing that more often than not! 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:39, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

I will keep that in mind, thanks! Hope you (and everyone else on the thread) have a great weekend! NewfoldComms (talk) 22:01, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

I like the AfC path's prospects best, based on your assessment, and am taking that route. Thank you for the advice! NewfoldComms (talk) 21:21, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

@NewfoldComms: If you're looking for an example for how to write the content when several companies get together and become a new company, see how I handled this when Wunderman and J. Walter Thompson merged to form Wunderman Thompson. Feel free to ping me when your draft is ready, if you want feedback. Also, if you follow my example, Newfold Digital will have to be moved back to Endurance International Group to clear the namespace for the new Newfold Digital article. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:00, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! That example is quite helpful. I will take you up on that, and I greatly appreciate your help. Zach at Newfold (talk) 15:09, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@TimTempleton I have a draft ready! If you be willing to give me some feedback, that would be super helpful! Zach at Newfold (talk) 20:23, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@[[User:Timtempleton|Timtempleton]Looks like I incorrectly tagged you previously; please see the above. Thanks! Zach at Newfold (talk) 20:25, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Custom signatures

Hi Teahouse. I want to customize my signature so STEM is one color and info is another, but can't figure it out. I found [[5]] but it doesn't have any examples except showing how to make the talk part of the signature uppercase. STEMinfo (talk) 19:47, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Have a look at my signature. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 19:52, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Try this signature: [[User:STEMinfo|<span style="color: red;">STEM</span><span style="color: green;">info</span>]] ([[User talk:STEMinfo|talk]]) WPEditor42 (talk • contribs) 14:33, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you both Jéské Couriano and WPEditor42. There's a lot to learn here that's not very intuitive. STEMinfo (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 20:28, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy pings: @Jéské Couriano:@WPEditor42: - @STEMinfo: - you can notify other editors when you nmention them by using this code {{ping|STEMinfo}} that I used to ping you. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:07, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

My User Pages

Can i added facebook,youtube,website or, any other application's on my user pages ? Is it legal in Wikipedian for to do that work in Wikipedia policies ? Ajrun Amir'za-da (talk) 00:44, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Ajrun Amir'za-da. Please read Wikipedia:User pages. The purpose of your userpage is to inform other editors about your interests, goals and contributions as a Wikipedia editor. So, your userpage will be evaluated in context. If it looks to others like you are primarily trying to promote your activities unrelated to Wikipedia, then that is not acceptable. Some experienced editors do include such links on their userpages. I have been editing for 13 years. I have a website and am active on Facebook but do not include those links because I do not think that it is necessary and do not want anyone to think that I am promoting my off-Wikipedia activities and interests. Cullen328 (talk) 01:02, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Deleting

There is a page I've come to edit, and there are some details I would like to delete from it because I feel that it's not needed on the page. However, I'm new here and I want to be sure I don't make a mistake and potentially lead to conflict. Am I able to do that or should I simply leave the details alone? Sabertoothman (talk) 21:17, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

@Sabertoothman: Welcome to Wikipedia. Since you didn't give us the details, then I would tell you that editors are generally encouraged to be WP:BOLD and make the edit, if you are acting in WP:GOODFAITH. If you are, then go for it. However, if you believe the edit is likely to be controversial, you can always suggest the edit first on the Talk Page of the article. If the article is not highly visited, though, you may not get a quick response. In that case, you might just want to make the edit yourself. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 21:24, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Are the details referenced? Is the content germane to why the subject of the article is notable? David notMD (talk) 02:00, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Since details are an issue, here's my situation. I want to edit the dhole page by adding more information about how they live with tigers. The information comes from two scientific studies, one is how they use the diel to avoid the big cats and the other reveals tigers suppress their pack sizes. At the same time, I would like to delete some of the current details (about dholes killing tigers) because they might give the readers the wrong idea that dholes as a pack are nearly invincible rather than simply talking about them like animals. That, and those old stories probably helped the dhole's near demise back in colonial times and thus do not see them as something to be looked at fondly. It deleting them isn't recommended, then I'd at least like to edit them to mention that the stories remain unverified. Sabertoothman (talk) 04:02, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: dhole --Maresa63 ^Talk 07:00, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Size matters

I have a problem. You can see it if you go to the Discography section of the article for Beat Happening. The last entries in both the Compilation and Singles sub-categories evince a short dash, but the page uses long dashes. Search as I might, I can't find a long dash on my keyboard. Maybe it's antiquated, or maybe there's a secret virtual keyboard accessible only after a certain number of edits a la the Wikipedia Library. Whatever, I solved this problem once before by cutting-and-pasting, but I wonder if there's a more elegant solution. Pete Best Beatles (talk) 04:42, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

If you have a numeric keyboard, hold down the Alt key and type 0151 for an em dash or 0150 for an en dash. You can also use the {{em dash}} or {{en dash}} templates. General Ization ^Talk 04:46, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

@Pete Best Beatles: I haven't seen it on any keyboard. You may have a drop-down box with clickable options below the edit area. Both "Wiki markup" and "Insert" start with en dash "–". Long dashes are usually en dashes but should occasionally be the even longer em dashes. See more at Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Dashes which also mentions ways to produce them. I know several but often just use copy-paste which is pretty fast with keyboard shortcuts (cut: Ctrl+x, copy: Ctrl+c, insert: Ctrl+v). PrimeHunter (talk) 05:26, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

@General Ization:@PrimeHunter:Thanks. Maybe the Wikinati don't rule after all. -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 11:22, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

What should I classify this article as?

Hi everyone, what should I classify the Nascimento (surname) article as - List, Start, Stub or C? It explains what is the surname Nascimento, what it means, some statistics and a list of notable people with the surname. WPEditor42 (talk • contribs) 14:38, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

@WPEditor42 It seems pretty clear that this is a WP:LIST article type, so that's the simplest and best classification. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:49, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull Thank you for your reply. I asked this because the article contains more than just a list. WPEditor42 (talk • contribs) 00:12, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

@WPEditor42 I agree it has a bit more than a list but its Talk Page already has classification as "list" for both the Projects which have expressed an interest in it. I see no need to alter that previous assessment and it would be very difficult to give it one of the other classes (see WP:ASSESS) given the criteria mentioned there. My belief is that it is better to contribute to Wikipedia by adding material to articles rather than worrying about formal assessments. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:15, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

John Irwin (producer) merge with Irwin Entertainment

These 2 pages are very similar, one about the company and one about the Producer (owner). I already deleted bunch of info from producers page that was duplicate, but I suggest merging them. I do not know which should be the master page and I also do not know how to start this process. Please provide advice. Upper Deck Guy (talk) 00:29, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

@Upper Deck Guy Both of these are poor articles which could do with more work. However, one is a biography of a living person and the other an article about a company. As such they are about completely different topics and unlikely to merge well. If and when more information is added, they would be likely to diverge more. Hence I think it would be better to keep them independent. Other editors may disagree with me and if you want to test that out, then the merger proposal process outlined at WP:MERGEPROP is the way to go. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:09, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Mary Motley Kalergis

A delayed response -- sorry, but I've been away from the interwebs -- to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1164#Finding_Independent_Resources, on Draft:Mary Motley Kalergis, and more specifically to CrystlBluPersuason's request at the end of that:

Flattery much appreciated!

The draft has problems of formatting, but let's put them aside for now.

Perhaps most pressing issues are those of copyright, raised when you write, or cause to be written, "Uploaded a work by Mary Motley Kalergis from Hardcopy of [such and such] provided by the artist, along with Creative Commons CC0 Waiver. with UploadWizard". Unless I misunderstand utterly, "the artist" is Kalergis. Informing Commons of this CC0 Waiver is a job for her alone, I believe. Though for File:Mary Kalergis.jpg it's for William Campbell. (Incidentally, concerning File:Diafarmma Kodak Gallery Exhibit invitation.jpg, it's "Diaframma", not "Diafarmma".)

Secondly, while the draft is bristling with (appreciative) commentary from people (notably fellow photographers) whose freely expressed opinions on photography mean something, where these comments come from isn't specified, so they'd be classed as unreferenced. A number of them read like blurbs: comments served up at the publisher or author's request. Blurbs won't hack it. Very unfortunately, there's not much of a culture of thinking reviews of photobooks (I haven't seen the New York Review of Books or even the New Yorker recently, but I don't think that either reviews any); however, I'd have thought that somewhere "reliable", some of her exhibitions and shows would have been reviewed.

And lastly (for now), "she pursues her passion for foxhunting on horseback" means no more than "she hunts foxes", I think.

So, is Kalergis "notable" (as notability is, perhaps perversely, defined by and for Wikipedia)? I'd guess that there is evidence somewhere out there that, if you could only find it and cite it precisely, would show that yes she is. -- Hoary (talk) 07:14, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm enjoying the process of learning how to edit Wikipedia-style, although the required precision is a bit daunting. You've provided a fine initial critique, with much to keep me busy. Stay tuned for further iterations before (I hope) actual publication. Regards, Cryst. CrystlBluPersuason (talk) 15:03, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Which References Do you Need for Publishing an Article?

Hello@ ‪Stuartyeates‬

Could you please help check which references you need for publishing this article?

The four references are the footnotes for the quotations found in the article. The fifth one is a Book (ISBN 957-561-172-1) for the Category of Sacred Catholic Music of this draft: Draft:Roman Catholic Church Accompanist.

I've found an English page that has some proof of the Accompanist (Church Musician): These musicians often accompany the church choir or congregation during the singing of hymns. Here's the link FYI: https://www.musicalexpert.org/what-is-a-church-musician.htm

Could you please let me know where to add it to the footnotes as References?

Do you need any other English copies for the references?

Your help would be much appreciated.

Please let me know.

Thank you.

Nativefreelancer (talk) 00:57, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Nativefreelancer. In order to establish that the topic is notable, you need to provide references to significant coverage in reliable, independent sources of "Roman Catholic Church accompanist". An internal church document that Pope Paul VI wrote in 1963 is not an independent source. The musicalexpert.org source does not differentiate between Catholic and Protestant church musicians, so it does not support the notability of your specific topic. You need to find reliable sources independent of the Roman Catholic Church that devote significant coverage to the topic. Perhaps academic scholars of comparative religion have discussed it. It is up to you to find such sources. Cullen328 (talk) 01:19, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello@Cullen328

Thank you for your insightful suggestions.

Do you think this page from a Roman Catholic Church will do to explain the role of a Roman Catholic Church Accompanist (Musician)?

https://ascensionbismarck.org/music-ministry

It's in the Accompanist section.

Your help would be much appreciated. Nativefreelancer (talk) 08:43, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm afraid not, Nativefreelancer. That site fails on three counts: first it is not reliable - that doesn't mean that we doubt that church, but there is no reason to expect them to be going through a rigorous editorial process as we would from a major publisher or newspaper. Secondly it is not independent, since it is from a catholic church. (That would not necessarily preclude citing it as an additional source, but it cannot contribute to establishing notability). But the main problem is that it does not contain a single word about "Catholic church accompanist" as a topic. (In particular, neither the word "church" nor the word "Catholic" appears in the paragraph you mention). You are trying to establoish that "Catholic church accompanist" is a significant topic - in order to do so, you need sources that discuss that specific topic in depth. ColinFine (talk) 09:22, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Nativefreelancer, the two short sentences in this page are about RC accompanists in that one RC church (in Bismarck, SD). They say very little; and what little they do say may or may not be true for other RC churches. -- Hoary (talk) 09:27, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello @ColinFine

I see what you mean. Will the college website that describe the role of an accompanist do?

Here's the page FYI:

Option 1: Berklee College of Music

https://www.berklee.edu/careers/roles/accompanistrehearsal-pianist

Or this Publication: Book or Magazine may explain what a Roman Catholic Church Accompanist do.

Option 2: 10. To the Chief Musician: Organist as a Worshiper, and 13. The Accompaniment of the Hymns

https://books.google.com.tw/books?id=pkdDEAAAQBAJ&pg=PT66&dq=catholic+church+accompanist&hl=zh-TW&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiTqba4yJv6AhWFNKYKHYotB1A4FBDoAXoECAkQAg#v=onepage&q=catholic%20church%20accompanist&f=false

Option 3: Organist: A Mid-monthly Musical Magazine, volume 16

https://books.google.com.tw/books?id=uldGAQAAMAAJ&dq=what%20does%20a%20roman%20catholic%20church%20accompanist%20do&hl=zh-TW&pg=PA22#v=onepage&q=what%20does%20a%20roman%20catholic%20church%20accompanist%20do&f=false

Hello @Horay

Actually, it reflects all the Roman Catholic Church. That's why I provided it as a reference of the page here for similar description found in the introduction of this draft. FYI:

Draft:Roman Catholic Church Accompanist

The purpose is for cross-checking if needed.

Do you think the 3 options provided above may be used as independent references?

Your help would be much appreciated.

Please let me know.

Thank you. Nativefreelancer (talk) 10:17, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Nativefreelancer, the Berklee source is a good source about accompanists in general, but does not mention the Roman Catholic Church. Accordingly, it does not help establish the notability of your narrowly defined topic I cannot read the second source. The third source appears to be a letter to the editor signed with a pseudonym, so is of no value as a Wikipedia source. It is just one random person's opinion. Cullen328 (talk) 15:46, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Assessment Unknown

Why the article I created is unknown in assessment field but it has been added to wikidata 16 days ago. Asiis (talk) 14:31, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Which article are you talking about? Article assessment (apart from Good or Featured articles) is informal, and has little practical consequence. ColinFine (talk) 15:58, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Changing name of page

Hello,

I am trying to edit my workplace's Wikipedia pages, however I'm finding it difficult to edit.

'Brooksby Melton College' and 'Stephenson College' (Coalville) have now merged and now fall under "SMB College Group" (www.smbcollegegroup.ac.uk).

I would like to create a Wikipedia page for each campus, so Stephenson Campus, Melton Campus, Brooksby Campus. Or, we are happy to have just one page as SMB College Group with sections about each individual campus.

I have edited Stephenson, but it will not allow me to change 'Brooksby Melton College'.

Please can someone help me with this request?

Thank you

Becca Rjsmb (talk) 15:40, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Rjsmb see WP:PAID and WP:COI. Please do not edit the articles directly as they will likely not be encyclopedic and neutral. Sungodtemple (talk) 15:47, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Becca, and welcome to the Teahouse. It sounds as if you have the (very common) misconception that Wikipedia's articles about your workplace in some way7 belong to or are for the benefit of your employer. They are not: they do not belong to them, they are not controlled by them, they will not necessarily contain what they want them to say (and they may end up containing material your employers would definitely not want them to contain, as long as it has been published by a reliable source).

Having said that: once you have made the mandatory declaration of your status as a paid editor you are welcome to use the edit request mechanism to suggest changes to the articles. It will be uninvolved editors who make the decision on what changes shoukd be made, though. ColinFine (talk) 21:27, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Just to confirm that anything you post publicly allows you to be traced IRL online (Wikipedia is not a variant of social media). This caught my eye as I know one of the past-principals at Bridge Road, although I've not seen him for around 20 years.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 22:13, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

@Rjsmb As ColinFine says, please don't think of this as "I am trying to edit my workplace's Wikipedia pages"; instead, think of this as "I'm trying to edit Wikipedia's articles about my workplace". That slight shift in thought will put you in the right mindset.

And then we'll tell you, as ColinFine did, that you are not allowed to directly edit Wikipedia's articles about your workplace (etc. etc.). Edit requests are the way to go, and as long as you supply references for your suggested changes as the instructions say, if your suggestions are neutral in tone and free of puffery, they will probably be made. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 06:43, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Look, I think you're slightly losing sight of what's important here. If the two colleges have merged, it's in Wikipedia's interest to reflect that, so Rjsmb should be thanked for bringing the matter to our attention here. Andreas JN466 11:30, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the articles are in such poor shape, with an entire lack of secondary sources, that it's not clear whether our notability standards are met, merged or no. I don't blame @Rjsmb for having assumed they could simply add much more information from primary sources and change the titles appropriately; if they still want to work on this project, perhaps they know of published, reliable, secondary sources that could be used to create one decent article on SMB College Group as a whole. 97.113.27.216 (talk) 12:33, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

@Rjsmb, @JN466 You are right; we want the information in WP to be accurate. The policies are in place to ensure objectivity and verifiability, and yes, we should express our thanks to Rjsmb for helping WP achieve its goals. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 16:54, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Help with editing a page

Hi there,

I need help with this page I am editing — Susan Sherman.

I have issues with 2 images:

There was an issue with an image I uploaded accidentally about Gay Liberation — and I was wrong about the copyright. The image isn't rights-free and it must be removed, but other editors keep putting it back. How do I delete it permanently?

Thank you,

Tamar

Ovaryian (talk) 17:24, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

I don't see anything that you uploaded to Wikipedia, but you did upload images to Commons. As Gay Liberation1970.jpg was uploaded yesterday, if you want to have it deleted, you can put {{SD|G7|your reason here}} at the top of the commons file page.

Also, please ask Commons questions at the commons help desk, a lot of the admins here aren't admins at Commons and can't delete pages there. Weeklyd3 (talk) 17:29, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Ovaryian, and welcome to the Teahouse. Or, more simply, go to c:File:Gay Liberation1970.jpg and pick "Nominate for deletion" from the sidebar. Is c:File:Adrienne Rich and Susan Sherman.jpg also a copyright violation? ColinFine (talk) 17:32, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, that's helpful.

c:File:Adrienne Rich and Susan Sherman.jpgis not a violation, but I do want the photographer credited and someone keeps deleting it. Ovaryian (talk) 18:19, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

I have replied below. 97.113.27.216 (talk) 18:35, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Benny Hendel

The article underwent many improvements, has many footnotes, is based on reliable and verifiable sources, especially from the most important newspapers Maariv, Yediot Aharonot, Haaretz etc and other well known written media in Israel, it s true most of them in Hebrew, but this is the language in that West-Asian country. it is true that radiobroadcasting is now a more neglected domain, and sources about radio broadcasting in the years 1990-2000 are not many,there are in newspapers, in some books, and someones also in youtube (the voice of the broadcaster and narrator) that are not accepted in wikipedia. The article is about a radio personality, interviewer and author of scientific and cultural programs very appreciated in Israel for a long period of time, also an appreciated translator of English and American literature (which would be a significant item for English Wikipedia)- including literature for children and poetry (among the sources are mentioned reviews by important Israeli writers, who appreciated his translations, published in serious publishing houses. It seems not so fair not to accept this article in the English wikipedia. The article exists in the Hebrew Wikipedia and in the Romanian Wikipedia which have good standards. Ewan2 (talk) 20:36, 15 September 2022 (UTC) What else one has to do for to make the article acceptable for English Wikipedia? Ewan2 (talk) 20:50, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Ewan2 and welcome to the Teahouse! I looked over your article and the problem isn't the sources, it's how many you have. You will need to add more references (but also from creditable sources) in order to meet the requirements. Then you can try resubmitting it. Happy Editing! Helloheart (talk) 00:32, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

@Ewan2, @Hellohealth For "creditable sources" please refer to reliable sources. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 17:11, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

@Helloheart Pinging the right user. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 17:12, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the answer.Ewan2 (talk) 18:55, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

I need assistance with an article?

Hi. I'm working on an article for a well known public figure who is a YouTuber and actress in my country. I'm trying to get the article published but I'm not sure if the sources I used are good enough? I would appreciate any feedback/suggestions on how I can improve the article and get it published.

The article: Neo Rapetsoa

Thank you. Alien Superstar (talk) 20:34, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

There are a number of good sources from news sites. Ruslik_Zero 21:00, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! Alien Superstar (talk) 19:03, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Hey @Alien Superstar, the article looks good. It doesn't have any copyright violations, the citiation bot ran over the article and made some very minor changes, and overall the article is well written. One thing to note is that every article on Wikipedia needs to have some categories added to it to help other users find the article. I went ahead and added a couple for you listing her as a South African actress and someone who was born in 2001. If you think there are a couple more that could be added go right ahead and add them. Dr vulpes ^{(💬 • 📝)} 21:35, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi, @Dr vulpes thank you so much for your assistance. It's much appreciated! I will add more categories and work on improving it. Alien Superstar (talk) 19:03, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

How do I change my username without messing up my user pages?

I've been on Wikipedia for a year, and I have been thinking about changing my username. If I do, will I have to redirect my user page, talk page, and sandbox? GDFilbert (talk) 18:49, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, GDFilbert. Probably not. See WP:CHU. ColinFine (talk) 20:06, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

What kind of verifiable information can I use other than a company's website?

HI. I recently got an article declined and was wondering what resources can I use to verify on my article. I used the company's website, but that was declined. Any thoughts or help please? Aguzman72 (talk) 21:46, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello Aguzman72, and welcome to the Teahouse. In essence, we don't care what any company says about itself. Our criteria for 'notability' require that other, independant Reliable Sources have written about that company, in books or newspapers for example. We don't accept company press releases or blogs, but we do accept independent journalism if in detail and in depth. You can learn more about what's needed for a business to meet our notability criteria by clicking this shortcut link: WP:NCORP. I hope this helps makes things clear for you, and do remember that Wikipedia does not permit WP:PROMOTION of a business. We're an encyclopedia that summarises and collates information about 'notable things'. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:04, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Oh dear: I've just taken a look at Draft:Gemini Energy Solutions, and it's pure promotional advertising, partly copy-pasted from your website, and in no way written in the style of an encyclopedia (because that is what we are, not a Yellow Pages!). Phrases like: "They are helping to flip the script on the clean energy industry;..." or "His practical understanding of business needs makes him a perfect fit for Gemini’s Virtual Assistant role. " are unacceptable - especially as you are evidently writing about yourself in the second example I cited.

You have an obvious Conflict of Interest and, as an employee of the company, are not allowed by our rules to write about it without making a formal declaration per instructions found at WP:PAID. But I'm afraid there is nothing that can be done with this article to turn it into anything that resembles an encyclopaedia entry based on secondary sources. I can find none. So now, as an administrator here, I'm afraid I am obliged to delete it as pure WP:PROMOTION. This doesn't mean that we don't respect what your company is trying to achieve within the green energy sector; but there is no place for an article about it on Wikipedia at this time, just as so many millions of other worthy businesses don't merit an article either. (Maybe it's simply WP:TOOSOON). Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:25, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Edit war

Hi

I am new to Wikipedia and I seem to be in an edit war regarding a certain page about information that is on it. I would like to be able to contact the person with which I am in this "war" to come to some agreement. However, I do not know how to identify who made the changes and how to contact them. Cbolton2001 (talk) 01:03, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Look in the page's history (linked at the top of the page); it should list the users who are reverting your edits and provide links to their talk pages. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 01:21, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Cbolton2001. The first thing that you must do is stop edit warring. If you continue, you will be blocked. Edit warring is not permitted. There are legitimate forms of dispute resolution available to you. As for the content dispute, you may misunderstand the purpose of an encyclopedia article about a college. Such an article should neutrally cover the entire history of the institution, warts and all, reflecting what the full range of reliable independent sources say about the topic. It is not supposed to be a bright and shiny brochure that advertises the 2022 version of the institution, and the feelings of the current staff are of no consequence whatsoever. You should express your concerns at Talk:St John's College, Hastings. Cullen328 (talk) 01:50, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Cbolton2001, two editors have reverted your deletion of well referenced content. They are Adakiko and Gadfium. Cullen328 (talk) 01:57, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

You can communicate with them on their Talk pages, but keeping dialog to the article's talk page is preferred. David notMD (talk) 02:04, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

I agree with the editors who have reverted your deletion. However, either the History or Historical abuse sections could benefit from providing information (with reference(s)) about when priests stopped teaching at the school. David notMD (talk) 02:13, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi

Thank-you for your reply. I acknowledge the history and the warts and all aspects of the College History. My understanding is that while the two priests have been accused, and one of them found guilty, of abuse, the abuse did not occur at St John's College. Hence my desire to edit the page. I do not want an edit war, so appreciate the dialogue. Cbolton2001 (talk) 02:18, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

The best place to discuss this is the article's talk page, where all involved editors can contribute and read each others' contributions. Maproom (talk) 07:29, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Cbolton2001 Much of the article is unreferenced, and refs 3, 4 and 5 (the same 2006 report) are a dead link. Much can be done to improve the article. Including taking and adding a photo(s) of significant buildings. David notMD (talk) 07:50, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

On Cbolton2001's Talk page, has posted being an employee of the school. David notMD (talk) 02:13, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Someone Deleted my draft

Please I need help, I created draft:Kula perry and a wiki user has deleted it. Stitches03 (talk) 19:21, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Stitches03. The reasons for the deletion are explained at User talk:Stitches03#Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Kula Perry. Do you have any questions about that rationale? Cordless Larry (talk) 19:24, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Stitches03 An Administrator deleted it for the reasons given: you copied copyright protected content and the content of the draft was deemed promotional. You can try again. Content from any source must be paraphrased in your own words rather than copied. Look at Wikipedia articles about other clothes designers to understand avoding promotional wording. Having independent references is essential. What KP says about himeself on Instagram, Facebook, own website, etc. do not count. David notMD (talk) 02:23, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Foam Disintergration

Been to survey a suite today, booked in no probs, when i checked inside one of the seat cusions i noticed the foam was starting to crumble, is they anything i need to watch for when i come to clean this?

The foam is contained in an elesticated net so i was going to vac as much as possible up inside the cover before starting? Moteled (talk) 02:53, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

@Moteled: this is wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. what seat cushions? what foam? we do not sell those. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 04:08, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Please do not bother to answer those questions, as again, this is an encyclopedia, not a help or how-to website. David notMD (talk) 04:53, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

About dead links

I found that in the references of multiple articles about African butterflies in the family Lycaenidae and Hesperiidae have atbutterflies.com as their source, but the link seems to no longer exist. Can I replace them with other sources?

Links Telipna acraea and Gamia buchholzi

ball deletor. 07:06, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

.polishcatsmybeloved, doing so could raise problems. Have you looked in the Wayback Machine for usable scrapes of the pages that are now dead? -- Hoary (talk) 07:16, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

PS How to do this: Simply, choose among the Wayback Machine's various copies of the page to find a copy that says what the now-deleted original is described as saying. Replace the dead link with a link to this Wayback Machine copy, labelling it as a Wayback Machine scrape of such-and-such a date. For details, see Help:Using the Wayback Machine. -- Hoary (talk) 09:10, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

@.polishcatsmybeloved I've done the Telipna acraea one for you as the link was to a Word document and not properly formatted as {{cite web}}, which made it slightly more tricky. You should be able to work out how to do the other from my edit. Also, you might like to read the document itself, which seems to have been a lot of work for whoever wrote it and may be of interest for other articles. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:46, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

@Mike Turnbull lmao thanks this is really useful for me ball deletor. 07:37, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Edit or provide a link to External sources?

Hey Community! I was writing an article of Test of Purity, meanwhile when i searched a bit i found out that there is a page of Purity test. I was writing about the test of purity. Now as both of the topics have same meanings but there title is different. i am confused what i can add or either i have to create a new one ? DavidZen001 (talk) 09:09, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

@DavidZen001 Welcome to the Teahouse! If you think it's a good idea, you can redirect Test of purity to Purity test, see WP:MAKEREDIR on how to do that, and you have to get WP:AUTOCONFIRMed first.

On the website you linked, per their aboutpage [6] and WP:SPS, you shouldn't add anything about them anywhere on WP, unless you can cite independent WP:RS coverage about them. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:46, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks alot. I will dig into it. DavidZen001 (talk) 10:30, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Superstition in Southern Italy

How does one request a topic or page? I saw an article for Superstition in India. There are corresponding articles for superstition in various other regions. I'd like to see one with superstition in Southern Italy, but it does not exist. BradVesp (talk) 10:57, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

@BradVesp: you could try Wikipedia:Requested articles, although requests there are rarely answered. that is the only place to request an article to be written, though. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 11:04, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

how do you place user-boxes?

i'd like to but i'm not sure how to please tell me 2006toyotacorrola (talk) 10:08, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

hi 2006toyotacorrola and welcome to the teahouse! you can just insert the userbox template onto your userpage like any other template, like such: {{User en}}, which'll display as such:

enThis user is a native speaker of the English language.

for actually arranging your userboxes to look neat, you could use more templates like {{Babel}} which is mostly focused for language-related userboxes like the above (although works with any), or you could use a table to arrange them like I did over at User:Melecie/userbox list if you want to add many of them (although tables are hard to get used to so you may wanna borrow my code for the meantime, also don't get carried away by userboxes by the way!) happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 10:34, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

@2006toyotacorrola: If you want them in a vertical column, you could also use the {{Userboxtop}} and {{Userboxbottom}} templates. The "See also" section of those templates' pages list some other templates used to arrange the boxes. Deor (talk) 11:31, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Check out my User:A diehard editor/More userboxes page for a look at how I arranged my userboxes into neat rows. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 21:33, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

As per suggestion from User:Melecie I found that the table way is a good way to start off.

BenBrownBoy (Aye?) 14:47, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Error in my reason for a revert

I made an error in a recent revert reason https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=X-Men_(film)&action=history (Should have read $75,000,000 and not $70,000,000). Is there a way to edit this without undoing the 'undo' and redoing it with the correct figure? BenBrownBoy (Aye?) 14:42, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Use a dummy edit. Add an extra line to a random part of the page or something and use "Dummy edit: Fixed edit summary'" or something. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 15:03, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

another link to a title

Hey guys,
I want to add Bingoal Stadion to the names that link to ADO Den Haag Stadium, since that is the new naming sponsor. How do I do this? Or somebody feel free to do it for me. See this announcement by the club:https://adodenhaag.nl/nl/business/home/10248-ado-den-haag-presenteert-bingoal-als-stadionsponsor?highlight=WyJiaW5nb2FsIiwiJ2JpbmdvYWwiXQ== Dutchy45 (talk) 12:25, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Done Roostery123 (talk) 12:46, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! Dutchy45 (talk) 15:43, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Picture Collage

How does one create a photo collage at the time of a page, as seen in Wikipedia articles "2019", "2020", and "2021"?

The ganymedian (talk) 20:44, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

The ganymedian: does Help:Gallery_tag help? If not, you may need to create the collage yourself, using some graphics software. Maproom (talk) 20:55, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia Has Many Grammatical Errors

FYI

 – Copyvio content has been removed. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:28, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Catniped (talk) 20:01, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

@Catniped: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1164. If you see grammatical errors you are more than welcome to correct them, though some of the examples you listed would not be considered as such. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:12, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

And several, such as "It has come to our attention that your tax returns are overdue and we urge you to file them at your earliest convenience." are simply your inventions- they do not appear anywhere in Wikipedia, except in your post. Please don't complain about things that don't exist. - Arjayay (talk) 20:18, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

This is just a copy of https://www.grammarly.com/blog/30-grammar-mistakes-writers-should-avoid/ and a copyvio. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:20, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm too lazy to check right now, but wasn't in Polonius who said "brevity is the soul of wit"? Just before he said "I will be brief." Just before he was anything but. Uporządnicki (talk) 20:30, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

@Catniped - I have fixed the few instances of "could of" that should be "could have". However, there are many instances of "could of" that are correct. I also removed the instances of "dilapidated ruins" that weren't quotes. Your assistance in removing other grammatical errors would be greatly appreciated! GoingBatty (talk) 21:08, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello

Hello Hotells (talk) 21:56, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, @Hotells. Do you need help or advice with editing Wikipedia? That's what we do here - help newcomer editors. Hope you enjoy being with us, too. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:31, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Heyyy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Panini! (talk • contribs) 23:01, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Identification of Nationality of Historical Figures

This might sound nit-picky, but for example Jonathan Edwards is identified as 'American' even though no such country existed when he was born, but Ukrainian Engineer Stephen Timoshenko is identified in the opening paragraph of the text of his article as 'Russian' because Ukraine was occupied by Imperial Russia at the time of his birth. When you search 'Timoshenko' the choice for him is 'Ukrainian Engineer' which I think is more correct. Being somewhat familiar with his work and story before I read the Wikipedia article, I'd always thought of him as Ukrainian. I think there are some similar inconsistencies with the biography of Sholem Aleichem. Are there any guidelines for what nationality historical persons are primarily identified as? Thanks in advance for the help. Woogawoogawooga (talk) 00:02, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Woogawoogawooga. We have several articles about people named Jonathan Edwards. If you are talking about Jonathan Edwards (the younger), then he became an American citizen in 1776 as a result of the Declaration of Independence and was an American citizen his entire adult life. As for Stephen Timoshenko, he was born in the Russian empire and later became an American citizen. There was no independent Ukrainian nation during his lifetime. The article correctly says that he was of Ukrainian ethnicity. The lead sentence of a biography should identify citizenship in almost all cases. Ethnicity comes later. Cullen328 (talk) 01:01, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

OK! Easier to ask the question than to guess the pattern. Thanks! Woogawoogawooga (talk) 02:51, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

So wait, now I'm confused. Luis A. Ferré's page says that he's "Puerto Rican Engineer" but by your guidelines -- citizenship -- it should say in the first instance that he's an "American Engineer", right? Because Puerto Ricans are American CITIZENS. I should correct that right away! Woogawoogawooga (talk) 03:43, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Why are you confused, Woogawoogawooga? Do you really expect to encounter consistency among 6.5 million articles created by volunteers with varying degrees of familiarity with policies, guidelines and the Manual of Style? I agree with your edit to Luis A. Ferré, especially since he was a long time advocate of Puerto Rican statehood. But the situation of some other Puerto Rican residents is more complex. As our article Puerto Rican citizenship and nationality says, Despite possessing federal statutory citizenship, residents of Puerto Rico have no representation in the US Congress, are unable to vote in the Electoral College, and do not have full protection under the US Constitution, until they come to reside in a U.S. state. Some call their status "separate but unequal". Under these circumstances, I think that is appropriate to call dedicated Puerto Rican nationalists like Lolita Lebrón and Pedro Albizu Campos as Puerto Rican instead of American. This is why I said "in almost all cases" in my initial response. There are no hard and fast rules and pedantry is discouraged. Good editorial judgment is encouraged. Cullen328 (talk) 05:01, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

How does the status of Puerto Ricans differ from the status of Ukrainians under Russian Imperial rule, then?

And, yes, a Manual of Style would be a reasonable reference. My PhD is from the University of Chicago, after all -- the home of the Chicago Manual of Style.

Were you hoping to intellectually bully me with your pedantry? Isn't that discouraged? Woogawoogawooga (talk) 23:08, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

@Woogawoogawooga: Wikipedia does have a manual of style: WP:MOS. (It is veeeeery long.) In particular, Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Biography#cite_note-1 might be of interest. As far as I know, there is no general rule that applies to all sort of nationalities, but both cases where it was formalized (Spain, the UK) ended up on the same rule: "use whatever the subject uses as self-identification if they have one clear preference; failing that, what most reliable sources use if there is something predominant; failing that, establish local consensus". It would certainly be wise to follow the same process here.

I would add that changing articles to prove a point is disruptive (and specifically forbidden), and escalating verbal rhethoric (cf. your last sentence) is not a good way to get a productive discussion. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 11:18, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Tigraan, for providing some context around the various ways a subject's nationality -- whether by birth or choice -- can be stated and clarified. Thank you also for the link to the Wikipedia Manual of Style -- it's all I'd originally asked for...and yet, got so much more. Not of anything I needed or was looking for but wow.

The Wikipedia article identifies him as 'Russian' when, in the Mechanical Engineering and Engineering Mechanics circles I studied in, he's generally understood to be Ukrainian-American. He was a founding member of the Ukrainian Academy of Sciences in the brief period of Ukraine independence between its occupation by Imperial Russia and its occupation by the Red Army and the formation of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic.

His and his son's published letters (not referenced in the Wikipedia article...yet) paint a much more nuanced and detailed picture of that time, as keeping his family safe from the Russian Revolution had them moving quite often, first sheltering in relative's homes in Ukraine, then migrating to different countries. Most tellingly, having grown up on a farm -- his grandfather had owned 3 in Ukraine -- he more than once evaded the Red Army by dressing as a farm hand and helping farmers he befriended in the countryside, as he was able to blend in, knowing how to do the chores & operate the machinery.

In academic circles these stories live on, but it was very interesting to find corroboration in these letters. Woogawoogawooga (talk) 23:36, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Changeing the page name

hi the page is talking about someone else and the title has a different name.how do I change the title on the page Amar habibullah (talk) 17:12, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Ibrahim Habibullah was originally about a person by that name. Some time ago the given name in the article was changed to Enaith, but the article is still titled Ibrahim. David notMD (talk) 17:22, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello Amar habibullah, and welcome to the Teahouse.

After looking at some of the sources to verify that Enaith appears to be the right name, and looking at earlier versions to make sure that the article has not been hijacked for a different person, I have moved it to Enaith Habibullah.

Amar habibullah, are you a relative? If so, you should read about conflict of interest and should not edit that article directly, but make edit requests. ColinFine (talk) 18:27, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

The article was indeed hijacked, by an unregistered editor, in July 2014. It was originally about a General Ibrahim Habibulah, born in Hyderabad (not Lucknow like Ephraim). It was very poorly referenced. Maproom (talk) 18:33, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

I suppose question, then, is whether ther current version contains any content or references about Ibrahim. David notMD (talk) 00:49, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

The Addams Family Updating Help Needed

Looking at the Addams Family Wiki Page I would like to add some information. I am not computer savvy enough to do this myself without messing up the page.

Under Homages and Adaptations I wanted to include that on 17 September 2022, The California Lottery included a $2 scratcher based on the original TV series with images of the original adult cast (Lurch, Grand-Ma-MA, Fester, Gomez, and Morticia). The description of the game from the official website is They’re creepy and they’re kooky and now you have a chance to win their family fortune. The Addams Family Fortune Scratchers® feature 10 chances to win, including 2X and 10X multipliers and a spooky “bat” symbol to win all ten prizes automatically. Best of all, with two snaps of your fingers you could play for your chance at a TOP PRIZE OF UP TO $30,000! Source https://www.calottery.com/scratchers/$2/the-addams-family-fortune-1529 Can someone please update this for me? ScottC4746 (talk) 15:04, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

That sounds like an advertisement, and so inappropriate for a Wikipedia article. But if you really want to request it, you should do so on the article's talk page. Maproom (talk) 15:32, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, ScottC4746. This would only be appropriate to add if reliable sources that are entirely independent of the Addams Family franchise and the California Lottery discuss it. Cullen328 (talk) 15:58, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, ScottC. If a reputable newspaper has reported and discussed (not just mentioned) that this is happening, then it may be mentioned in the Wikipedia article, cited to that newspaper. Otherwise, No. See MOS:CULTURALREFS. ColinFine (talk) 16:08, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

@ScottC4746 In addition to what is said here, that info is extremely trivial. WP doesn't need to include every minute detail about a subject. Personally, if I wondered whether any lottery had based a game off of The Addams Family, I would consult a search engine, not an encyclopedia. But that's just me. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 05:15, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Radio station license notability

Does a article of a radio station pass WP:BCAST if the only source is licensed by the government (for example: In the Philippines, the mentioned radio station is in the document of the NTC radio listing)? SeanJ 2007 (talk) 02:07, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, SeanJ 2007. A simple directory listing in a government database is not sufficient to support a freestanding article about a radio station. It would probably be enough for an entry on List of radio stations in the Philippines. Cullen328 (talk) 06:57, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328 Aren't lists supposed to be lists of other articles that meet the list topic? 71.228.112.175 (talk) 05:23, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Article getting rejected a lot citing less adequate sources

My article is getting rejected a lot. I've tried to follow all guidelines regarding the references but still, I'm getting reasons like "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources". I have no other sources available. Please help

Draft:Seven Sisters Development Assistance Psranat (talk) 05:51, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Psranat. One of your references is a press release which should be removed because it is not independent. Another refererence does not mention Seven Sisters Development Assistance and therefore is of no value. The other references mention the group only in passing. Significant coverage is required. Cullen328 (talk) 06:20, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Psranat, if the only sources that are available for a particular subject are inadequate, then no article can be created. That aside, there are problems. Just one sample: To accomplish its mission, SeSTA is committed to achieving the following goals: [...]. (i) This is corporate-image-speak for straightforward "SeSTA has the following goals". (ii) Almost every organization touts its admirable goals, but Wikipedia generally ignores these unless they are widely discussed. What do sources unrelated to this organization say about its achievements? -- Hoary (talk) 09:06, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Psranat, the first three sections of Draft:Seven Sisters Development Assistance cite no sources at all. Where did you get that information from? If you're writing your draft backwards, no wonder you're finding it difficult. Maproom (talk) 09:25, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

@Psranat The tone is not quite fit for an encyclopedia:

• collectivising women to build their capabilities and strengthen livelihood systems
• facilitate them out of poverty
• bring and embed educated youths with empathy at the grassroots

Encyclopedia language is dry and factual, and it takes some practice to write.

71.228.112.175 (talk) 05:27, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

JPG Link Upload

How does one attach JPGs without pasting the entire html from a website into the syntax of the wiki user sandbox? Is this done through the Upload Wizard? Thanks The ganymedian (talk) 06:27, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@The ganymedian: yes, you upload photos using the upload wizard. your pictures must be appropriately licensed to be used, and photos found on the internet are rarely cc-licensed. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 07:34, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

oh yes, if you can show that the picture meets the non-free content criteria, you may use copyrighted images. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 07:37, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Assuming that you don't intend to claim "fair use" for this or that article, The ganymedian, upload eligible images to Wikimedia Commons, not to Wikipedia. Once they're at Commons, you can use them for Wikipedia as if they'd been uploaded to Wikipedia. lettherebedarklight has already pointed you to WP:IUPC; please be sure to digest it and understand it. -- Hoary (talk) 07:44, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@The ganymedian: (edit conflict) "Attaching" Media to an article must be done in two steps, the first of which is the complicated one: First, the Media File in question must be uploaded, either locally to the english Wikipedia, or to our sister project Wikimedia Commons. I say this step is complicated, because it is nessesary to find out the copyright restrictions of the media file before uploading it. Wikimedia Commons accepts files which have either been demonstrably licensed under a free license, or are demonstrably Public Domain in both the country of origin and the US. The english Wikipedia, on the other hand, accepts all media files Wikipedia Commons would accept, plus, non-free (i.e. copyrighted or incompatibly licensed) media, if it meets all of the non-free content criteria. Please also note that both the english Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons consider works to be fully copyrighted unless there is evidence to the contrary. The second step, is to actually add the media file to the page in question. Non-free images are only permitted in articles and certain internal discussions where transcluding them is nessesary. Normally, the Upload Wizards I linked to above will provide you with the general syntax to add an image to the article, but for completeness's sake, usally standalone images are added with [[File:Filename.ext|thumb|Image caption]]. See Wikipedia:Extended image syntax for more. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:56, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Verification of a post about myself

As a frequent daily user of Wikipedia (couple of time donnod, but that is not important in this case) I evaluated that as an author of three non-fiction books (two in English) and non-political reasonably good known Slovenian it would make sense to post a short entry of myself on Wikipedia. Everything I wrote as a proposal was already published this way or another and is 100% factual. Something that I respect and something that I sometimes help to correct in other Wikipedia entries.

I have been informed that one cannot post an entry on himself - which make perfect sense. I was advised to contact a reliable Wkipedia contributor to asses and hopefully post it. I do not know how to contact anyone from the proposed list of reliable sources for Wikipedia.

Could anyone help me with this?

Thank you.

p.s. I'm using Wikipedia sometimes in my scientific papers - which is sometimes not welcomed by my peers, but I will keep doing this. Drapi (talk) 09:53, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

@Drapi Welcome to the Teahouse. Your first (not only) hurdle is WP:GNG. So, based on what you read there, what are the best 3-5 sources you can think of? They don't have to be in English, though it makes things somewhat easier. Recommended reading: Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:02, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy link Draft:Andrej Drapal. Theroadislong (talk) 10:08, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

You are not FORBIDDEN from attempting a draft about yourself, but all facts must be verified by independent references. Many try-but-fail attempts are because content the person knows to be true about themself has no independent reference. Confirmation of you having written books belong in the article, but contribute nothing to confirming your notability. David notMD (talk) 17:12, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

When you write that you use Wikipedia in scientific papers, Drapi, do you mean that you reference it? I'd recommend not doing that. See Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia for an explanation of why. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:20, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Contrary to what Cordless Larry suggests, I encourage you to cite Wikipedia in scientific papers, as long as you do it properly. As Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia indicates, that means citing a particular revision with a permalink rather than a changing page, and using it only for reasonably uncontroversial stuff. I have done so myself once in a paper and once in my PhD thesis, and nobody batted an eye. (If someone had objected, I would probably have found another citation.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 10:06, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Translation Help

Hello, I need some help with the translation of the meta page Code for Africa Climate Project into french. Thanks Jwale2 (talk) 11:18, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Crop image of painting is not a copy vio?

Thomas William Holburne

Hello there, would it be a violation if I cropped an image from this website and use it as a lead image in wikipedia? It is a 19th century painting which I believe can be published under a free license. Danial Bass (talk) 08:47, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

• @Danial Bass: If the painting itself is out of copyright, a faithful reproduction is considered copyright-free (or at least, that’s a legal position the WMF takes). You will need to tag the file with the appropriate template from Wikipedia:File_copyright_tags/Public_domain#Art. You can make any sort of derivative work from such a public-domain image (e.g. by cropping) and release it under a Commons-compatible license.

However, whether the painting is out of copyright might not be so obvious. Assuming UK law applies and Wikipedia:Non-U.S._copyrights#Dates_of_restoration_and_terms_of_protection is accurate, paintings lapse into public domain 70 years after their author’s death. In our case, that means the painter must be dead in 1952 at the latest. It seems very unlikely that the painting was made after the subject’s death in 1874, or that the painter went on to live 78 years after making the painting, but you would need to be sure. Do you know who the painter was? Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:44, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the detailed response @Tigraan, this is very useful! From what I gathered the painter is (most probably) Charles Jaegger (1770-1827) from this source. Danial Bass (talk) 09:55, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@Danial Bass You could use the one on Commons already. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:05, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Yeah I actually just noticed this haha. But the info from Tigraan was still valuable. Danial Bass (talk) 11:48, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Do something for this draft.

I see that " Draft:Embassy of Switzerland, New Delhi is lagging necglected, and is there since for almost a couple of month. I would suggest that either editors/contributers looks into the issuea and improve and submit the draft for article. Otherwise, as I have mentioned on it's talk page, please redirect it to List of diplomatic missions in India#Diplomatic missions in New Delhi. BoyHayHay (talk) 08:02, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@BoyHayHay: Feel free to merge any material in that short draft into a target article, especially if there isn't enough there for a standalone article. There is no need to create redirects from draft space. If the draft is not resubmitted, it will simply be deleted after 6 months, and can be restored by request; see WP:REFUND. ~Anachronist (talk) 08:21, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

I am still a rookie at these changes. So, i would rather request other/ BoyHayHay (talk) 12:09, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Ok well no needed, i appiled "db-g7". The Draft can be simply and safely be deleted. BoyHayHay (talk) 12:26, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Editor seems angry

Starting with a note at Talk:Diagolon, there's a series of big edits that seem rather questionable. Some I don't understand what they do (like the citation ones). Can someone with more experience take a look? I've only ever done single reverts and didn't have the best time last time. Appreciate y'all! — LumonRedacts 04:40, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

The IP's edits to Diagolon were reverted. Part of the problem was that the IP used the Diagolon website as a reference for descriptions of what Diagolon is and is not.

Looks to me like the IP also cited several independent sources. A wholesale revert was inappropriate, in my opinion. ~Anachronist (talk) 08:19, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, thanks for your reply, see your perspective totally, @Anachronist. I think, however, the editing was pretty... pernicious? IP edited around <ref> code, didn't add new sources for their rewrites. If you see Diagolon is a global movement of people with wildly different goals and opinions who share a strong love of freedom and reject the intrusion of government in civil liberties at this diff, it looks like they wrote around an existing source that said something else entirely? I mentioned the citations earlier because it just seemed something was going on that seemed ... thought-out about them? (I'm sorry, I'm still working on no coffee, and I'm not sure if any of this makes any sense at all. And honestly... that page is a mess.... ugh.) Cheers! — LumonRedacts 13:08, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Redirect to a section with categories

The article
https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/St._Anthony_Falls_Hydroelectric_Development has sections, such as "Main Street Station 1894 1911" that should be included in categories, such as Category:Hydroelectric power plants in Minnesota
From https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Template:R_to_section it appears a new article "Main Street Station" can be created with

1. REDIRECT ++St._Anthony_Falls_Hydroelectric_Development#Main Street Station 1894 1911++
   

++R to section++
++Category:Hydroelectric power plants in Minnesota++
++other categories++
that will be alphabetized as "Main Street Station"?
how is that different from

1. REDIRECT ++St._Anthony_Falls_Hydroelectric_Development#Main Street Station 1894 1911++
   

NO ++R to section++
++Category:Hydroelectric power plants in Minnesota++
++other categories++
that will be alphabetized as "Main Street Station"?
"List of contributing properties in the St. Anthony Falls Historic District#Nicollet Island
Residential Area" has a list of houses that are part of a historic district and thus are NRHP. Is it appropriate to do the same kind of redirect with
++Category:Houses on the National Register of Historic Places in Minnesota++
(the redirect is for a list)?
Comments? BudKey (talk) 14:35, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, BudKey. I'm afraid my comment is that excessive use of new lines makes your post so difficult to read that I can't get my head round it. I suspect that other people have a similar reaction, and that's why nobody has answered in 31 hours. ColinFine (talk) 18:29, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Sorry. Isn't just new lines but spacing looking like double new lines which came from Wiki Markup. Wiki Markup drastically reformatted what I wrote. I didn't notice how bad it was before I posted it and then didn't have time to figure out a fix. Best fix would probably have been to look up how to turn off Wiki Markup. BudKey (talk) 13:21, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @BudKey, and welcome to the Teahouse. If I understand correctly you want to create a redirect to the Main Street Station section in the article and categorize that redirect. That is fine, and it should be categorized as redirect to section because that is what it is. However Main Street Station already exists as a redirect to a disambiguation page for the many articles on Wikipedia that have main street station in their names. So call the redirect something like Main Street Station (hydroelectric plant). You can also create redirects to list articles. StarryGrandma (talk) 18:36, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

@BudKey: It appears you ask which difference it makes to include the code {{R to section}}. See Template:R to section. It displays a message when the redirect page is viewed and adds the page to the hidden category Category:Redirects to sections. See [7] for an example. It has no influence on the actual redirect. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:49, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Two articles need combining

Found Shout (Laurie Halse Anderson book) and Shout (memoir) as they are on the same subject. Can someone combine them when they have time? Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 11:17, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

@GrahamHardy I note that @Just another anon already tagged one of the pair in January this year but doesn't seem to have followed through. I wonder if the correct process was followed, since Shout (memoir) doesn't also have the tag. It seems obvious they do need to be merged as duplicates. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:25, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

@GrahamHardy I checked carefully and couldn't find any content at Shout (Laurie Halse Anderson book) that wasn't already at Shout (memoir), so I just created a redirect and removed some double redirects. You might like to check I didn't miss anything useful. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:34, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

How to get a draft article to replace a redirect

Hello. I've been an editor for years but mainly citation, updates, etc and not redirects or page creations. I want to move Draft:Old People's Home for Teenagers to Old People's Home for Teenagers but it is redirected to Old People's Home for 4 Year Olds. I've read several items about doing this, but this is my first time.

I am hoping someone could talk me through it. I don't want to mess things up. I thought I understood what to do. I got a little confused on the process, so I thought I'd come to the Teahouse.

Now I am wondering if I can simply go into the page in redirect mode https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Old_People%27s_Home_for_Teenagers&redirect=no, remove all the redirect code and put the draft code in there and have my draft deleted?

Thanks in advance, also feel free to add tips and help on my talk page as I try to do more advanced editing on Wikipedia. P37307 (talk) 13:54, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@P37307 I believe you don't need to move the draft to the redirect, you could just copy the text from the draft, remove the redirect, and paste the material. I suggest you read Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia because copying within Wikipedia requires attribution. WP:RTOA is just a basic idea of this. I also back up what ColinFine says below, so that can be an alternative to what I suggest. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 14:37, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Paul, and welcome to the Teahouse. You can't do that yourself, as it requires admin intervention, so make a request at requested moves.

However, I'm not convinced that your draft yet establishes that the subject is notable, so it might be a better plan to paste {{subst:submit}} in the top of it and wait for a review. ColinFine (talk) 14:37, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Reporting a page.

How do i report a page? there was one under a dream SMP tag, and one of the links had uncencored gore. DreamSMP.Fanboy (talk) 14:56, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@DreamSMP.Fanboy: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1164. Which page would that be? I see you made an unfunny edit request at Talk:Dream SMP. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:32, 19 September 2022 (UTC)