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The Knowledge Centre for Agriculture Deletion

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Elgamal Foundation

What is this? I expressed my disappointment in this note at the speedy delete nominator's page. Then when I hit return I see a redlink for The Elgamal Foundation, and find that it has been deleted. Did you read the Talk page? There were two objections to Speedy deletion. Do you completely dismiss my point that a brand new editor should be given a chance?

You are an experienced editor, I don't think you should be doing this. This is exactly the kind of thing recently being discussed at WikiProject Editor retention, as part of what is wrong here. Would you please simply restore the page, I ask of you. --doncram 12:56, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

• You are also an experienced editor so you should know that it is totally unnecessary to clutter this page with a copy of the deletion log entry - I am perfectly capable of following a link - such as you could have provided to WP:RETENTION. Userfied. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:48, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

For the sake of completeness I did perform a thorough search for the subject using google and the guidestar database, and checked the domain that was included by the creator in an earlier version of the article. This took less than 4 minutes. It may appear like a rush to speedy a newcomers first attempt however there is no trace of this foundation at all. — Flat Out (talk) 23:24, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

• Flat Out, possibly a case for an hand-written db notice, eg. {{db|No point in giving this editor more time; Google has never heard of this organisation}}. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:40, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Dominique Monféry

Hi, in reply to the article you just deleted without notification, although links were added, proving the importance of this person, Oscar-nominated, award-winning director Dominique Monféry, former Disney animator, (which you reproached, and i took hours to put these links). i would like to know what you still reproach to have deleted it. IMDB, Allocine were added, which prove the importance of this director, Disney animator. in addition, as I wrote in the contestation of the deletion, there are articles in wikipedia on this person in french, german etc. fr:Dominique Monféry, de:Dominique Monféry

this person is also on Disney wiki [1]. all the films of this director are on eng wikipedia. here are examples of it: Eleanor's Secret, Franklin and the Turtle Lake Treasure and Destino.

when i have put the filmography of of this person, i have even included as reference, the imdb links to these films. and the title was directing to their respective wikipedia articles. i have also created an article on his last film Au Fil de l' Eau, an award-winning animated short, in qualifications for Oscars. but apparently it was deleted as well.

I have cited my own words, put the citation in italic with the proper reference [2] what do i need to put more so that you delete everything? i can't write an email asking confirmation of the right to use copyright material, since it is myself. the citation's copyright is on the imdb page of the film, with the same logline on the SND's website. [3] authors stated: Julia Pajot, myself, the producer and composer of the film, and Sydney Neter, the distributor of the film.

about the email confirmation, my email is on the imdb page, i am attached to the film's page. What is the use of having an imdb page with all our awards, credits, if, although we add these links on the wikipedia page to prove our importance, you delete the page? especially since there are millions of page in other languages, on the person you reproach of not being credibly important? I am asked to add links, which i add, and the page is deleted without notification as to what needs to be added, without any possibility of "improvement".

The only option is to link the Person's wikipedia article (example Dominique monkery's article in french) to the same article in another language, instead of creating an article about that same person, in english.

Thank you for your comprehension. best, jpajot7 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpajot7 (talk • contribs) 19:37, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

• Thank you for declaring your COI so clearly. Kindly have the decency to wait until someone who a) knows how to create links and b) has no COI thinks Dominique and his works are notable and writes about them here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:09, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Then have the decency of reading the article without being biased because I know this person.

Extended content

You dont answer the question as to how provide more links for notability when his colleagues all have a page with very little links to prove it, as well as perfectly unknown people who also have a page. All Monfery's films are on wikipedia, his name always attached to those pages including category pages like disney animation, french animation. And Oscars. I was in fact surprised that he did not have a wikipedia page when i discovered unknown people have in fr wikipedia. I did not see this before because of the location om the computer, i have french and european wikipedia articles, not english. Surely they are a lot of fans who write about people, but you dont know if they have the COI or not. Fans have a very strong COI. Unlike me who just write facts stated everywhere. If i am close to a subject, i dont write about it. That is as simple as it. I am inspired by other pages on persons, which dont have problems for you but are no different than mine. With words as "prestigious", talent, award winning... oh this is true, they are not new users like me, so you dont think they have COI or dont know how to write neutral articles... i have written many dissertations in US, with the same rules on copyright and sourcing, proving that you have. I dont understand, however, why a page is deleted without any notification although i add stuff. You are very confrontational with me and you are supposed to help me improve to make good articles because that is the point of wikipedia and this is why we all look at it. Because it is good and regroups everthing without the need for us to take hours to find news about something. I requested an edit on the page. Because i would appreciate people to edit what is reproached and make the best of it. It is not because i know someone that i cant write about him reponsibly. And being responsible is editing what is reproached to improve, instead of deleting without trying. You can look at pages like Dave Bossert, and other people in the industry, they are no different than mine in the style. Bossert and Baker Bloodworth worked on the Oscar nominated film Destino that Monfery directed. They have the same links to prove that they are notable (oscars are notable). When you say that someone one day will "think" thaf Momfery's works are notable, that does not make sense since as i always said, all his works are on wikipedia, and in pages of relevant categories. I provided these links now. And the works on the filmography are all directed to their wikipedia page. Please tell me what i need to add ro make it better or contribute instead of attacking me and deleting in because you are biased on me. People contribute on pages that are about subjects that interest them. COI does nit make sens. We all have one, then. As humans...

Thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpajot7 (talk • contribs) 22:43, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

• Please seek help from someone else. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:40, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Well, someone who takes the liberty to delete a page is the best one to give advice, since on has good reason to delete it... all the best. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpajot7 (talk • contribs) 19:52, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Sam khan

Hello RHaworth, you had earlier deleted Sam khan and it has been recreated again. I have marked it for CSD. I checked the public log for this page and noticed that it has been recreated 4 times. Can you please SALT this? Many thanks. Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 14:24, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

• Read the log more carefully Sam khan had been previously deleted just once on that title and once at Sam Khan. Nehalwork1 (talk · contribs) has a pretty obvious COI. You may feel like taking Masters Champions League to AfD. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:09, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Our Vodka

Hi there, Could I ask why you deleted the Our Vodka page and if I could get a copy of the text. Many thanks, Jack Cartwright — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.207.181.253 (talk) 19:06, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

• Kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your brand is notable and writes about it here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:44, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Jack The Radio

Hi RHaworth - First time creating a page. Yesterday I was working on Jack the Radio page, an NC Band. Apologies as I'm still learning here, if items were not cited properly. I see it fell under the: Article about a band, singer, musician, or musical ensemble, which does not credibly indicate the importance or significance of the subject). Happy to provide specific reasons, etc. I'd like to resubmit or if you could you provide me with the article again?

Some details on why I think it does indicate importance (I can include this in the article) The band formed in 2009 and since has released 2 studio albums, 7 inch vinyl, live album and live DVD and toured regionally on the East Coast. In 2012 the band successfully completed kickstarter campaign for the release of their sophomore album "Lowcountry". Winners of 2014 Last Band Standing. [4] [5] Their music has been placed on national and international TV and commercials. [6] [7]

Thanks for your help here as I'm learning. Holliscg (talk) 23:43, 3 September 2015 (UTC)Hollis (username: Holliscg)

• Kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your band is notable and writes about it here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:40, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for delete

File:Bloemfontein Celtic (Siwelele sa Masele).jpg. How can I use Bloemfomtein Celtic logo to include on the userboxes? — Ras Benjih/^RasTalk 08:44, 31 Jul 14:27, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

• It is not allowed. Look at this list for example. The only logos are used under special conditions. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:40, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Martha Brockenbrough (writer)

I'm wondering why they Martha Brockenbrough article was deleted. She is a US writer and I think she deserves a page. I also need her date of birth to put in our library database :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrea.aevars (talk • contribs) 15:00, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

• Please re-word your question to indicate that you have read the deletion log entry. See for example the next message where the writer has read the log entry and starts from there. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:58, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Nilüfer Demir

Hello , You deleted the page in title I created, without any discussion and obviously you did not read my comment, otherwise you would note say that this bio was obviously invented. I suggest that you googlize the name. I would be happy that you reload the page which will anyway be recreated by someone else. Do you want to bet ? Would you say that every single American photographer present in WP out of 2000+ is more important than Nilüfer? Best regards, Jatayou (talk) 15:03, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

• The obviously invented taunt was a bit cruel. The article was deleted for the simple reason that an article consisting simply of "Nilüfer Dumir is a Turkish photographer" stands zero chance of survival. If you draft a proper and properly referenced article in your sandbox and then move it to the correct title: Nilüfer Demir, it will stand a much better chance. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:58, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. Jatayou (talk) 17:05, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Well, after two days, it seems that the honor of the creation goes to Jane023. — Jatayou (talk) 21:01, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

MFD

Hi RHaworth, Just to make you aware when you closed Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Rama Sethu - The easiest way to explain it is on the MFD page it was as if the Bottom closure part was missing so everything under that MFD was collapsed with the MFD so I've fixed it but just thought I'd make you aware, Thanks, – Davey2010^Talk 18:22, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

• Oops, sorry. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:06, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Sorry didn't realized you replied, No worries we all make mistakes but just wanted to make you aware incase it was a tool-glitch or something, Anyway thanks and Happy editing :) – Davey2010^Talk 15:53, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Statistically improbable phrases

I have reverted your removal of Statically improbably phrases from speed deletion. Please discuss your reasons for wanting to remove it prior to doing so. Thank you. -- Louiedog (talk) 18:37, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Category:2022 in Africa

Hi. I just want to let you know that due to Durban being elected as the first African city to host the 2022 Commonwealth Games. I decided to rewrite the 2022 in Africa category. Thanks, FrankieL1985 (talk) 20:40, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

User:60tagegratis/sandbox

I saw that you speedy deleted User:60tagegratis/sandbox but I wasn't sure why. From what I can tell, this discussion about G13 limits it to AFC creations only not all drafts. I'm asking because if you have a different understanding, I'd save a lot of MFD time deleting these pages myself. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:44, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

• Whaddya mean "wasn't sure why"? What does the deletion log entry say? I think you are saying "why did you delete when the deletion discussion was only a few hours old?" Don't tell anybody but I have deleted many "stale draft" user pages even though they did not have any AfC or db-g13 tags. I usually apply the additional test that the user appears to be inactive. I cannot recall ever having one of these deletions queried. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:06, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
• I have just deleted User:Yamaha5/iran. Let's see what happens. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:41, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

I've had a few questioned before. Just curious how other admins are treated things. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 00:00, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

DC Extended Universe characters

I noticed category:Marvel Cinematic Universe keeps getting deleted but there exists a Category:DC Extended Universe characters too. Should that probably be deleted for the same reason? — Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 17:20, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

• Category:Marvel Cinematic Universe has never been deleted not even once. Of course category:DC Extended Universe characters should not be deleted: it is well populated. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:47, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

I meant Category:Marvel Cinematic Universe characters. I apologize for my error. — Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 02:18, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

The MCU would have even more...including three original characters. That's not a good reason. I contacted you because you were the last one to delete it. The reason why it would be deleted would be the same reason the MCU character category was in the CFD. But now I see I should have brought it up with somebody else. — Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷

• Have you actually read the CfD discussion - "the only original characters from the Marvel Cinematic Universe who got their own articles are Phil Coulson and Erik Selvig; very few to keep a category just for them". No, the reasons are not the same: one category is well populated; the other was almost empty. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:42, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

No you need to re-read the list again. The nominator said that it included multiple comic book characters and those two original characters. That's what the DC Extended Universe category is doing too. Except this time no original characters but instead just comic book characters that are already DC Comics characters. Apparently the nominator felt strongly about a category that had just characters from Marvel Comics, because the MCU is filled to the brim with characters that have their own articles and has even has more characters than DCEU but it keeps getting re-deleted just because of that CFD. — Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷

Undelete

Please can you undelete R&TTE Directive, as the term is used in several articles, so I'm led to believe it maybe useful. Regards, Widefox; talk 23:02, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

• The entire content of the page was "#REDIRECT Terminal" and since it is not mentioned in the Terminal article, deletion seemed totally appropriate. The subject is probably notable enough to justify a proper article. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:39, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Zev Moore

You deleted the page of Zev Moore who is notable in Israel as a singer actor and baseball player. So please return the article and protect it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.178.157.40 (talk) 05:22, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Parwinder Singh Brar

Parwinder Singh Brar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Psbrar14 (talk • contribs) 09:49, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Climb Online

Hi, I see that you recently deleted an article that I was composing regarding the company Climb Online. I feel this is entirely unjustified, particularly since the article was only created less than 30 minutes ago & was in the process of being greatly expanded & edited with references, sources & much more. The article was only saved after the first sentence to ensure the formatting & other such links were working. Kindly explain your reasoning behind deleting this & explain why you did not contact my good self prior to deleting the article - particularly since the article was only created by the account earlier today & was clearly being added to - it takes longer than 30 minutes to compile an article, particularly since it is my first one. Kind regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by ClimbOnlineLtd (talk • contribs) 11:09, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

• Replied by email. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:42, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Buffalo Cannabis Movement logo deletion

The logo for the Buffalo Cannabis Movement was recently deleted. I was wonder why and how we could get a logo up for the group. — Dairyfarmer777 (talk) 03:00, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

• You used the words "fair use" in the image description but applied the wrong tag. Try again, selecting "fair use / logo" as the licensing and follow the instructions to complete the fair use rationale. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:42, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Fatima Medical College

Hi, Would I please be able to read the written content on the following wiki page that has deleted! Fathima Instt. of Medical Sciences,Kadapa. I just want to review the information that was previously provided and have no intentions of reactivating the link. Thanks, Regards, K, Kgdraus (talk) 15:49, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

• Emailed. It is described as "the only medical college for Muslims". Why should Muslims need their own college? Do Muslims have different medical conditions from other people? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:42, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Revert

About this? I think I understand what you are doing, but my primary goal is to get FacultiesIntact to take WP seriously and that speedy was (to me) a minor first step. The user would hopefully respond to having their Userpage deleted by making a more appropriate disclosure on their userpage, and then complying fully with the ToU. If you agree that the content on the Userpage is not appropriate (in other words, is marketing for the editing service) would you please add a note to the user's talk page communicating that they need to fix that? Thanks! Jytdog (talk) 17:28, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

• At a quick glance, I thought FacultiesIntact was making an acceptable declaration of CoI. If you disagree, by all means blank the user page and write the note yourself. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:42, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Gregor and the Code of Claw

I started work on a draft of a page called "Gregor and the Code of Claw" last week, and realized like, yesterday, that there was already a Gregor and the Code of Claw redirect page. I swear that it did not come up when I searched using the Wikipedia:Article wizard (though based on how old the page was, it should have), or I would have just practiced the text in my user space and then put it into the pre-existing page. Being a fairly new editor, I almost froze up when I realized the new problem -- so thanks for taking care of it! I thought I'd just made this huge faux-pas I couldn't fix by myself, and now I feel positively warm and fuzzy. — 2ReinreB2 (talk) 02:30, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

TECOM Group

I thought it might be best to change your protection against creation to a protected redirect to the parent, Dubai Holdings. If you disagree, let me know. — DGG ( talk ) 02:45, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Ras Benjih

I agree and as from now on I give you and other patrollers no doubt to delete every section that you found is useless. I don't mind when my work get deleted. Thanks.Ras Benjih (talk) 12:25, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Refund request

Per Special:Diff/680651989, could you refund Template:Louisiana High School Athletic Association in Trackinfo's userspace? Alakzi (talk) 09:23, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

In case you were putting it off for later, this has been done. Alakzi (talk) 19:10, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Not sure what to do here

You deleted Draft:Elijah L. Hill, Sr for copyvio but not we see Draft:Elijah L. Hill and User:Ehleonard/sandbox with the same issue. — Peter Rehse (talk) 19:05, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

• So what was the objection to tagging that as copyvios? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:17, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

None really. I was wondering how to work around constant recreations like that. Felt that a copyvio tag would just result in another instance with the same issue. There is at least one other example of the same article deleted for copyvio.Peter Rehse (talk) 19:21, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

• Really there is little we can do except keep deleting until the perpetrator gets fed up and goes away. We could block Ehleonard (talk · contribs) but the might come back with a new name. I protected Draft:Elijah L. Hill, Sr but the came straight back with Draft:Elijah L. Hill. I have just protected that. Let us see what they do next. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:30, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Cheers. It was my frustration talking.Peter Rehse (talk) 19:40, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Faintest Idea

I note that you deleted an article Faintest Idea on 4 January 2010. As the band in question have now released 3 albums, played numerous shows and have become quite important in the UK Ska scene. I think it would be beneficial for them to have a Wikipedia page, even if only populated with the names of the bands and their members and the release dates for their albums.

I am not sure what is in the deleted content, only that it is best etiquette to discuss with the person who deleted the content previously before starting a new page. Many thanks for your time, Fairysweetnes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fairysweetness (talk • contribs)

• No! We need more than the names of the members and the release dates for their albums. We need evidence of notability. Text emailed. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:09, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Please help me with my deleted article

Hi RHaworth, Last week, I posted my first article to Wikipedia and it was promptly deleted. Bummer. Here's the article link: Advertising Science. It seems the issue is with copyrighted material included in the article that came from this website.

This website belongs to the company I work for, Calise Partners. I wrote that original article and our company has given me permission to include it in this Wikipedia article. When I was first notified that our Wikipedia post was tagged for deletion, I followed instructions given to authorize the use of the copyrighted article by adding the following content to the article: "The text of this article is available for modification and reuse under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License and the GNU Free Documentation License (unversioned, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts)."

I'm sure it's very possible that I did not follow the instructions correctly because having done so, the page was still deleted. Please help me get my article posted. I would prefer not to have to completely recreate it. If you tell me it's necessary, I am happy to rewrite the text on Wikipedia that is considered a copyright infringement before resubmitting the article. If however, you decide that the article is acceptable as is, considering the source of the copyrighted material and the additional note added to the original content about reuse, then that would be preferred.

If there are any other issues with this post about Advertising Science, please let me know. I respect Wikipedia and believe it's an honor and privilege to be able to submit content and I want to make sure and do it right. Thanks, Mheronime (talk) 14:42, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

• You have a blatant COI. I should simply intone my “kindly” mantra and leave it at that. But I will reply and let others judge whether your article is simply veiled spam for your company.

The external page in question still says “© All Rights Reserved” at the bottom so its use is still a copyvio. First fix that matter. To cover yourself, if you use any of the text, point out that the source page has a CC licence: in an HTML comment in the article, in the talk page and in an edit summary.

Other advice: submit any article via AfC. Science does not take a capital s. Do not embolden section headings. Do not use Wikipedia for references – Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Clothe those horrible naked URLs. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:27, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Broter

RHaworth, that page that was speedy deleted on Broter's space looks like it was recreated the same day it was deleted . If it's exactly the same as the page that you deleted, then it likely doesn't need to still be here. — KoshVorlon We are all Kosh 16:00, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

• What page was "speedily deleted on Broter's space"? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:09, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Luong Minh Dang

Roger, could you have a look at the deleted LUONG MINH DANG and restore it to User:Sam Sailor/Drafts/Luong Minh Dang if you think it's worth building upon? Thanks, -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 18:36, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

• See User:EDITOR-HUE/sandbox. If you don't use it, please tag it for deletion. If he only survived to age 65, perhaps the HUE Method is not much use! — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:46, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Sand casting

Please undelete Rule Based DFM Analysis of Sand Casting or let me have a look at the duplication report. — Shivenrastogi 19:57, 14 September 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shivenrastogi (talk • contribs)

• Rule-based DFM analysis for sand casting may not be an exact copyvio but it does seem to be much too close a paraphrase. But given the lack of references, the article is also likely to be deleted as essay / original research. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:46, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

That casting / sand casting editor

Multiple ongoing edit conflicts but anyway... I see I have stumbled into some kind of a WP/classroom/education assignment. I feel badly about it but this one student/editor has repeatedly lifted copyrighted content from multiple sources (at least 2 different metallurgical/engineeering textbooks and 1 website). I read their comments at Talk:Rule Based DFM Analysis for Sand Casting/Talk:Rule-based DFM analysis for sand casting and was refraining from tagging Rule Based DFM Analysis for Sand Casting/Rule-based DFM analysis for sand casting with a CSD/copyright infringement notice since the title was restored.... but I see you tagged it in the interim. Here are the various sources that Shivenrastogi has lifted content from:
Handbook of Aluminum: Vol. 1: Physical Metallurgy and Processes (textbook), Page 542,
Handbook of Aluminum: Vol. 1: Physical Metallurgy and Processes Page 544,
Steel Founders' Society Of America website
Casting Design and Performance (textbook)
Will leave it all alone at this point (though the changes I looked at seem to be lift&paste-paraphrases of their sources) but I wish they had worked everything out in their sandbox beforehand... Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 20:42, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

@Shearonink: A few other editors and I figured out what university all of these articles are coming from. See WP:ENI#Possible course usage at Indian Institute of Technology Delhi. One of the WMF staff is trying to contact the instructor. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:07, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Yeah I came across what I thought was a class page at one point but couldn't get back to it. This particular pattern of edits didn't seem like the usual garden-variety type of vandalism but at the same time the copyright violations were so egregious, I felt like I had to do something. Am glad there are eyes on the situation & hope it all gets straightened-out... Shearonink (talk) 05:52, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Refund request - Reputation Changer

Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Reputation Changer. Can you please temporarily undelete and copy to a subpage in my user space? I would like to have a look at it. Thanks! VQuakr (talk) 07:03, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

• Emailed. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:05, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

City (California)

I've recreated this page as a sensible redirect. It has several hundred links. It was only a problem become some random editor had pointed it to their own address - it needed to be fixed, not deleted. — Colonies Chris (talk) 10:44, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

ФК Цитадела (FC Citadel)

Hi, why did you delete ФК Цитадела (FC Citadel)? It had been tagged by someone as a test page having no content, but neither was the case. The article, in Bulgarian, was listed at WP:PNT. — Largo Plazo (talk) 11:35, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

I see you restored it, thanks. — Largo Plazo (talk) 11:39, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

OK, out of curiosity, why did you userfy it? — Largo Plazo (talk) 11:41, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

• Because it did not belong in mainspace. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:05, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

• You can check this one also فرید اصلانی which Largoplazo reverted speedy deletion tag. — Action Hero Shoot! 12:20, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

@Action Hero: Yes, someone else figured out that it duplicates an existing article. That's grounds for speedy deletion, irrespective of the language an article is written in. The speedy deletion criteria you cited weren't applicable to that article. — Largo Plazo (talk) 15:56, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Why didn't it belong in the main space? I'd appreciate it if you were to clarify what the reason was in that particular case for the benefit Action Hero, who I think has inferred that your actions, along with the legitimate resubmission of فرید اصلانی for deletion — for different grounds from the ones he had cited — illustrate general policy concerning articles posted to Wikipedia in languages other than English, which isn't the case, the applicable guidelines, as you know, residing at WP:PNT. — Largo Plazo (talk) 15:53, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

• Please learn the difference between [[u|…]] and {{u|…}} - see above. It was patently not mainspace material. Indeed it was not material for anywhere in en:. I do not wish to be involved in adding inappropriate stuff to mainspace so I userfied it. I am sorry if I have confused the Action Hero - please unconfuse him. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:04, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Gee, thanks, that was really helpful to both me and the other editor. It was not mainspace material because it was patently not mainspace material: an informative response, laden with insights of great value for future Wikipedia work, to a fellow editor who, despite nine years of experience here, didn't discern that, doesn't agree, and asked you in good faith for clarification. Your definition of "patently" needs calibrating. —Largo Plazo (talk) 17:28, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Ryan Avery

RHawthorn: 'Newbie' with a question about draft:Ryan Avery (speaker). First a little background and then a challenge and question if you don't mind: My name is John Hastie. I have been benefiting from Wikipedia but not yet been a contributing author (something I hope to correct in fairness over time in areas where I have decades of experience). I have a financial relationship with Ryan Avery, the 2012 World Champion of Public Speaking and so understand, due to conflict, that I can not author a page on that subject (even with disclosure). I have set up events for him in the past for Toastmasters audiences and now help him schedule paid training engagements.

I understand from the original author (another 'newbie') that an attempt was made to author a page for Ryan and that the article failed to meet Wikipedia standards. I have explained the ideas of conflict of Interest and perceived conflict or expectations of bias to Mr. Avery and the author and believe a better understanding has been reached. Having reached a point of confusion about what to do next and a better understanding of related restrictions, there was no further work done on the article. I do understand the substantive challenge of working to keep the content free of the influence of conflict bias and promotion (inadvertent as well as deliberate).

Here is the challenge on this subject: There is another Ryan Avery (a Ryan Chadwick Avery) with a colorful creative history in the performing arts that seems well established on Wikipedia and other places online (good for him): Ryan Avery. Of course we have no challenge with the performer Ryan Avery and wish him well. The challenge for world champion Ryan Avery comes from confusion that ensues when people search online for him when they consider using him as a professional trainer and become confused by the record of Ryan Chadwick Avery (not one they imagine or expect when they begin their search).

This confusion has cost world champion speaker Ryan Avery business. In one recent case, Ryan only found out after the fact when he met a decision maker months after an engagement was rejected. And so - the question: Is there an appropriate way to at least make the distinction apparent to a researcher - if not with a full article, then with some reference. Is that something a family or friend (with conflict exposed) could help with? Or, how would it be handled.

Your time in considering this matter is greatly appreciated. Anything you care to share on the matter (including a simple link to an appropriate help section), would be greatly appreciated. Best regards, John Hastie -- JHastie (talk) 04:06, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

• Right from the start you queered your pitch somewhat by showing your inability to copy&paste my user name. Also I am sure you could have made your request using half the number of words. I am sorry, we have a very firm policy that hat notes and disambiguation pages must only link to existing articles. So what must happen is: your Ryan Avery becomes notable and someone, as you very properly note, with no COI writes a bio for him. Once this has happened, creating disambiguation info. will be uncontroversial. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:04, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Restoring musical.ly page

Hi RHaworth, I wanted to create a page for the app muscial.ly, and I saw that the page for the app was deleted this past July for lack of significance. Since that time, the popularity and significance of the application has been mentioned in a number of news articles published by credible sources such as the Miami Herald, Grauniad and Billboard articles. Specifically mentioned in these articles is that the app has become a platform for up and coming musicians to promote their songs to the app’s large user base, as well as being one of the faster growing and more popular free apps out there.

Given this press coverage, as well as the app’s successful performance on both the Apple App Store as well as the Google Play store, I was hoping you could help me out in restoring the page. If there is something else I need to demonstrate the apps significance, let me know and I'd be more than happy to oblige. Thanks for your time and I hope to hear back from you soon! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Workingasianguy (talk • contribs)

Hey RHaworth. Since this same message was posted to my talk page, I thought I'd let you know I've responded there.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:20, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

• I catch a whiff of sock puppetry here. You have zero contributions history but created properly formatted references - unfortunately I don't do refs on this page not even with {{reflist-talk}}. Also musical.ly was created by Gabrielsimoes.br (talk · contribs) and User:Gsimoes7 so there is precedent for sockery. I agree with Fuhghettaboutit's comments on his talk page. Lack of significance is a bit misleading - all three versions were deleted for being hopelessly short. The longest was only 481 bytes and all were devoid of references. I am not impressed by your references - two were little more than passing mentions but if you can put together a decent article it may stand a chance. Submit via the AfC process. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:40, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Undeletion of The British Vacuum Council

Hi, am an OTRS volunteer, we have now processed a ticket for this article (VRTS ticket # 2015061610016727 ). I have notified the original page creator to mark the text on the original web page as existing under a suitable free license. In the mean time, can you undelete? Thanks! And please ping me if you have any questions, yes? KDS4444^Talk 03:41, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

• KDS4444 and Arutiun, I do not see any free licence notice on this source page.

Arutiun, please read this about my views on slovenly people who copy their own website to create an article here. I am definitely not going to restore a page with sections headed "about us" and "contact us". I suppose you did do a tiny bit of work converting to wiki markup so I am willing to send you your text - please read this. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:06, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

(Note that I do not disagree with your assessment and beliefs towards article generation and the copying of web pages— my function here, of course, is only to verify a copyright release, for what that is worth, because there is no formal policy preventing such acts. But Lord, it's not something I would ever do myself! Just sayin'.) KDS4444^Talk 09:03, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Rachael Boyd Deletion

Apologies for my lack of knowledge about Wikipedia as I am a brand new user, attempting to add an article for a talented musical called Rachael Boyd. Twice the article has been removed, the first time I did not cite, the second time I may not of cited properly. However the article has again been removed. Would it be possible that the article can be created and then allowed to edit. Rachael is a very talented musical from Northern Ireland had has the right I believe to a page on Wikipedia, to not only tell her fans but relevant music bodies of her career. I apologies if this is the wrong place to contest. Any further information would be appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theshawe (talk • contribs) 00:44, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

• Kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks Rachael is notable and writes about her here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:49, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Infobox Isle of Man TT course

Re: template deleted by yourself in March 2015.

I messaged you in August as a pre-cursor to an intended request for more info on your actual deletion, which at the time appeared to you as meaningless waffle User talk:RHaworth/2015 Sep 03#Template:?. This was relating to some long-term investigations where an editor was bulk-listing AfDs in late 2014/early 2015. Part of his sequence was the deletion of an infobox template, where he had replaced the infobox template with the edit summary "rm infobox, pending its deletion" (example here), dated 3 November 2014. Your deletion was dated 8 March 2015, seen here. I had no way of knowing if and when this infobox template had been nominated for deletion and exactly why/by whom.

I managed to Google this Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 July 14#Template:Infobox Isle of Man TT course, showing the same editor who bulk-nominated AfDs in 2014/5 had also nominated the template deletion in 2013 (result 28 July 2013: two "deletes" including nom, one "oppose" and one "comment").

I had contributed to some of these associated articles a little but had to abandon them. I then returned to develop the articles from June 2015 onwards, not knowing that the template had actually been deleted. If it was/is not there I cannot now use it, or even 'see' the whole sequence, just guess. For completeness, I need to know if it was ever deleted soon after 28 July 2013 and later resurrected, or if it was simply not actioned until your deletion in March 2015. If the latter was the case, why the delay, and how did you come across it, bearing in mind the same nom removed the template from articles as in the November 2014 example? Thank you, and I hope this is clear-enough. There is much more to this but I have tried to keep it simple, for now. -- Rocknrollmancer (talk) 02:46, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

• You give the impression of someone who wants to find a conspiracy where there is none. Also you are too long winded. Your use of Google is an insult to the MediaWiki software and a clear demonstration of your ignorance of it. Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Infobox Isle of Man TT course tells you a lot more than your Google search found you. "I need to know if it was ever deleted soon after 28 July 2013 …" What does the deletion log entry say? Why do you not trust it?

You speak of "an editor" - why not name him: Andy Mabbett. Andy is a person who I have met "in the flesh". Like all good Wikipedians, he will be very willing to discuss his actions. So: make a date with Andy, fly over to Birmingham, buy him a drink in the The Pickled Piglet and make your complaints direct. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:49, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

FoamFatale - firefighting technology article

Hi RHaworth, nice to meet an activist who keep clean our encyclopedia. I am mentoring User:Gpont editor to avoid the promotional style and explain the floating Firefighting foam technology for the common. I wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement. -- Rodrigo (talk) 06:13, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

• There is no deleted material at Firefighting foam. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:49, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

My fault. Please make the FoamFatale text visible. Greetings. -- Rodrigo (talk) 20:52, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

• Text emailed. Definitely too spammy, too long and too much of a user guide rather than an article. Author almost certainly has COI. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:07, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Sir, I try to find the recyclable parts. -- Rodrigo (talk) 22:49, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Holodomor

File:Roman Kowal's Holodomor Memorial in Winnipeg, Canada.jpg - this one has higher res otherwise I would have tagged it F1/F8. — Sfan00 IMG (talk) 22:01, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you re. CSD

Thank you for handling the CSD A10 of Twist-locking connectors, or whatever the exact title was. This could have been done by deleting the content and changing it to a redirect, but I am happier to have an admin's weight behind the decision. — Jeh (talk) 11:00, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

A nice strong cup to aid all the image work you've helped with :) — Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:17, 19 September 2015 (UTC) Thank you. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:22, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

ETSAMCA

Dear Mr. Haworth, Please give access to my edited pages Extra Tropical Storm And Medicane Agency (ETSAMCA) and ETSAMCAWS. I'm new on wikipedia, so please tell me, what I done wrong. Yours, Marcel Amon (ETSAMCA) Please write to my email. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Austria2014marcel (talk • contribs) 20:55, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

• Kindly have the decency to wait until someone who a) has half an idea what a Wikipedia page should look like and b) has no COI thinks your website is notable and writes about it here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:22, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Deletion of the glossary

I am not sure why you are marking the glossary for speedy deletion. Mention of the glossary at This Is Water is currently a red link and it is better for people to know something about them. — Robin Singh (talk) 12:10, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

• There has never been an article called the glossary. Kindly have the decency to wait until someone who a) knows that one sentence is a long way from making an acceptable article and b) has no COI, thinks your shop is notable and writes about it here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:43, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Bourne & Hollingsworth Group deletion

Hi I wanted to ask why my page has been deleted. As far as I could tell it complied with Wikipedia guidelines. I am new to this, so I'm hoping this is the right place to ask. The message said this: (R2: Cross-namespace redirect from mainspace), however, I don't know what that means. If you could please help me so I can make sure the page better complies with the guidelines. The page has now been moved to a draft here Draft:Bourne & Hollingsworth Group. Thanks in advance, Ilonam23 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilonam23 (talk • contribs) 09:35, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

• Do the words "links to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources" suggest anything to you? Obviously an article devoid of any such links stands no chance. Also, external links should all be demoted to the bottom of the article, either as refs or in an external links section. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:43, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

There's no need to be so rude! I am completely new to this and struggling with the Wikipedia instructions, so looking for help from the people who have rejected my page. However, that doesn't seem to the solution either. I am asking for help, and don't expect a snide comment back. Any help or advice is gratefully received so that I can improve my page so it fits with the Wikipedia guidelines. Thank you, Ilonam23 —Preceding undated comment added 10:42, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

• I consider that I gave you two bits of very sound advice. Are you dismissing both as "not the solution"? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:33, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

1929 Oglethorpe Stormy Petrels football

I believe the page was put on quick deletion in error. You cite A7 and G11 as reasons for deletion, but the page was neither of those. It was falsely added by a patrol. Many sports teams have pages about each season of their sport. Moreover, 1929 was an important year for Oglethorpe football due to significant wins over larger teams. — Thornwell1835 (talk) 22:50, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

• I will reply in due course. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:33, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

George Robert (Rip ) Rapp

I have another one for you, Draft:George Robert (Rip ) Rapp (geoarchaeologist). We now have an OTRS ticket on file, VRTS ticket # 2015070610014424. I know you hate undeleting things like this... Could you do it for me anyway? Thanks!! KDS4444^Talk 10:59, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

• KDS4444, more importantly I hate their creation in the first place! Read this about my views. But this one is not in article space, is non-spammy, a Wikipedia search suggests he is notable, etc. So restored to Draft:George Robert Rapp. Please record the OTRS permission. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:33, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Will do! And thanks again! KDS4444^Talk 14:37, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

St. Paul Park Refinery

Could you send me the deleted page on St. Paul Park Refinery? Thanks, Brian — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bdub34 (talk • contribs) 15:31, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

• Please read this. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:37, 23 September 2015 (UTC)