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Cutting Ball Theater Deletion

Hey, the page I was working on about The Cutting Ball Theater was rightly deleted due to copyright infringement. However, I'd like to remake the same page and rewrite it so that it is no longer an infringement. Thought I'd put that here in case there's any trouble with the page I intend to create. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mshepherd17 (talk • contribs) 22:22, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! much appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mshepherd17 (talk • contribs) 22:35, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

• Yer 'avin' a larf ain'tcher? What is all this crap of a question mark after every word. I have moved it to User:Mshepherd17/sandbox. If you are serious, try again but start by providing the links to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:41, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Atos Worldline Deletion

Hi there, I just posted a page for Atos Worldline [actually posted, incorrectly as Atos worldline] so that I could link it to and reference it on the page of its parent company Atos Origin. I had intended to rework the text to be less marketing and promotional but you've taken it down without any feedback. I'd appreciate your guidance on where and when I could make changes to the text to make it suitable. I've previously been told that I had to remove links to Atos Worldline from the Atos Origin page because there was no internal page in Wiki to reference it to so I would like to be allowed to add this page. Your guidance and feedback will be extremely welcome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheBeaverhousen (talk • contribs) 11:32, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

• The feedback was "unambiguous advertising or promotion" in the deletion log. The where is User:TheBeaverhousen/sandbox. The when is anytime you like. You should start your draft by providing links to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources and write the rest in your own words - I could probably have cited copyright violation as another reason for deleting your first submission. I have also moved Atos consulting (which should be Atos Consulting) to User:TheBeaverhousen/sandbox. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:49, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Observium Article Deletion

Hi, The Observium article was not a new article, it was a move of the existing ObserverNMS article, which had existed since 2008 (and had been kept despite an early request to delete it do to its notability). Please undelete the article. I suggest that in future you check to make sure that "new" articles aren't merely moved articles and be less heavy handed in deletion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adamathefrog (talk • contribs) 23:18, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

• The age of the article is irrelevant. After two years you had still not managed to add any evidence of notability so it got deleted. Take it to deletion review. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:26, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
  • What is relevant is that it'd already been decided to be notable by others, yet you were too lazy and/or stupid to check the history of the new article and realise it was not new at all. Denial is no excuse. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Observer (Software)

Jumptek Global deletion

Please couldn't you have aloud the Jumptek Global article to have stayed? I had just been writing a explanation for not allowing the deletion. As I posted it the article was gone? This pushed a little confusion. TwistedGrafix (talk) 21:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• (You mean "allowed".) You can try deletion review but first provide sound evidence that the group has been noticed in the real world. You can have a copy of your text - read this. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Here is a little proof, LINK: http://www.YouTube.com/watch?v=1U3GYB-iwdM . This is a real life recorded video showing a club event held in Ireland that one of our important members performed at (the young man in the white hooded jacket on the far left stood up is that member I am talking about). Also proof of our involvement in that is the fact two of these boys both state "Shout out to... JUMPTEK" within the sentence around 2minutes:53seconds because of our partnership and support we gave that group at the time and now, that video also shows CLEARLY that there are over 5,000 views on that video and many people attended this event giving proof of real life importance and proof we are involved in events and other happenings other than the web. Thank you.TwistedGrafix (talk) 22:00, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• Not exactly the significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources that we are looking for. But in any case I am pig-headed - I have made up mind the group is not notable. See what they say at deletion review. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:32, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Very ignorant indeed. I hope you're not like this to other users. But as I said a loss can be tolerated, however there is substantial evidence within that video that proves we have a meaning for having an article and that it is important to fans as it would be a reliable source for anyone wanting to know the meaning of 'Jumptek Global' and our history. Wether it be real life or over the web. This is a reliable and independent source. What made it unreliable? I'de like to know. Because I just think you're deleting this for the fun of it as I have seem a VERY big amount of speedy deletions off this account which seem really inappropriate. I have over 200 people who can/would support me on this and you had this removed due to the purpose it was useless and wasn't of importance? You judge this wrong clearly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TwistedGrafix (talk • contribs) 15:13, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

The latin phonetic method of Shanghainese

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RE: What {{for}}?

Replied at Talk:Golden Hills Elementary School#Red links -- Whpq (talk) 18:54, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Left suggestion on talk page

I left a suggestion on the talk page for Golden Hills Elementary School, which could be an idea for the Golden Hills School for Tehachapi, since there is another Golden Hills School in Fullerton. Hopefully, that's a good idea for that one. Just a suggestion, then the Golden Hills School Elementary page that was originally deleted can be that way, just move this one to Golden Hills Elementary School (Tehachapi). Would that help? Let me know. I'll let you deal with handling that. (JoeCool950 (talk) 20:21, 12 July 2010 (UTC))

Sorry

Sorry for taking off the coodinates for Golden Hills Elementary School. Do you mind me asking how to get the coordinates? I noticed other school articles have them. Just curious. I won't take it off, now that I know, or you can consider it vandalism, now that I noticed it at the top of the article. I guess I should look at the whole article to notice that, before assuming. Sorry. If you could let me know where to find that, that would be helpful. I write back, if I need help. Thanks. (JoeCool950 (talk) 20:54, 12 July 2010 (UTC))

I use Google maps. Use right click, "center map here" to get to the point of interest. Click on "Link" near top right. That will give you something like http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&sll=35.122811,-118.721043&sspn=0.001632,0.002009&ie=UTF8&ll=35.133685,-118.575675&spn=0.003154,0.006062&t=h&z=18 From this horror, extract the ll= parameter (not the sll=) and use it in a coord tag thus:

{{coord|35.133685|-118.575675|display=title}}

Please note that this is a valid tag ready for you to use in Cummings Valley Elementary School. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:43, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:The Autumn Offering

Thank you for restoring The Autumn Offering! However, I notice the corresponding talk page was not restored. If there was nothing of substance there, I have no objections to starting over. However, if there were any constructive comments, it would be great to see that restored. Thanks! Fezmar9 (talk) 00:24, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

• Sorry. Now restored. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 01:36, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Pilot ladder

I certainly didn't do it on purpose. There was a session timeout issue during the article creation, and something very odd happened. I hadn't had a chance to try and retrace my steps to see what it was. Your suggested speedy template is hopefully something I'll never need to use. Tanks for the advice. Fmph (talk) 08:46, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Geofizika d.d.

I need to make a wiki-page for Geofizika d.d., when I was writing, I was guiding myself with the wiki-page of our main competitors CGGVeritas. Could you tell me exactly what I did wrong and how to make the site. I can supply you with all the necesary references and websites. ~mdash; Vladimir —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vlucev (talk • contribs) 10:36, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

• "I need"! Need as much as you like, it is not for you to decide whether Wikipedia needs a page. Given your obvious COI, you cannot judge whether the company is notable. I suggest you find a "sponsor" thus. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 06:01, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

I apologize if you got the impression that I am a spammer. The truth is that I am new in editing articles on Wikipedia and would appreciate if you could give me a hand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vlucev (talk • contribs) 11:07, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

• You are trying to write about your company. In my view that makes you a spammer irrespective of what you write. The words find a "sponsor" above are a link. Have you followed that link? What do think about my suggestion? (But if you must ask: total absence of references was good grounds for speedy deletion.) — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:16, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, you're right about that! Ok I'll try to contact the person that made the wiki-page for CGG Veritas. Hope he accepts. Thanks for the help!

Ps. Regarding those references, I tried to place a couple of independent refs, but it seems that they were no good. Anyway, I'll try to find me a "sponsor" and we'll se if that helps. Best regards, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vlucev (talk • contribs) 11:29, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Neo Babelist listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Neo Babelist. Since you had some involvement with the Neo Babelist redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Bridgeplayer (talk) 17:28, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Monroe High School Coord

That was cool that you took that off. I checked it out myself, and for some reason, it gave me the coodinate for Cummings Valley Elementary School for some reason. Thanks for catching that. Sorry, I didn't catch it, when it was up. Should have clicked on it, because I would have recognized the school, since I work there, but defnitely was Cummings Valley Elementary School. That was an error on my part for not catching that. (JoeCool950 (talk) 00:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC))

Barnstar

The Guidance Barnstar

		The Guidance Barnstar
		You are the bomb, Mr. Haworth. I had some trouble uploading Geograph images to the Commons using geograph_org2commons.php, as well as adding categories. You were very patient with me and helped me out tremendously. When I followed your instructions to the letter, everything worked exactly as you explained. And I also know how to categorize images now too. I'm crying tears of joy. Dang, if you ain't good. Your patience and guidance is a breath of fresh air and an example for others to follow on Wikipedia. Cindamuse (talk) 12:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• Many thanks. I am flattered. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Phantasm Records

Hi RHaworth. I believe this subject, that got speedily deleted, is notable. Would you please restore it so I can work it up a bit? Freakshownerd (talk) 14:42, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• I have restored behind User:Freakshownerd/Phantasm Records. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Freakshownerd (talk) 20:08, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Deleted My Wings!?!!!

Why did you delete my wings!? -- Zaps93 (talk) 22:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• You may repeat your remark without the shouting. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:28, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Why did you delete My WINGS? It was no different to any other airline article. It had references, external links, and enough information for own article. Please revert your edit. Zaps93 (talk) 09:12, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

• "No different"! The significant difference is that this company has just two wings and they have not yet made any revenue earning flights. At least wait until the company has started operations and has received more references in independant sources. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

It isn't though, there are lots of articles for proposed airlines just like this. Go take a look. You will find plenty! Zaps93 (talk) 09:51, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

• "Go take a look"! No. You point me to them. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:54, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
  • What and have you delete ones which people have worked hard on? If you actually looked into what you were doing this would have been fine, but nope! You are just power mad! Zaps93 (talk) 09:57, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
    • Quick search and I got this - [1]! How hard was it to do that! They are no different and some of which lack as much information as My Wings had! Zaps93 (talk) 10:00, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Green Cell Foam

You speedied this article--I restored a much less promotional version, and found a rather weak but third 3rd party ref. Considering that the basic article has been thee since 2008, if there are in fact no such refs perhaps AfD is the better alternative. DGG ( talk ) 00:02, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Chat about it

Hello RHaworth. Yesterday I created an article about Chat About It and this morning the same article was removed by you. I would like to know why and how can be restored. I am working for Chat About It and I need to create the article. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jppaiva86 (talk • contribs) 00:31, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

• Kindly do not delete other people's messages when you post yours. What a cheek - "I need to create the article". What matters is not your needs but whether WIkipedia needs the article. The article was deleted for a total absence of refs to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources But you could chat about it at deletion review. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 00:44, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry, It is the first time I'm working with wikipedia, I'm only following the instructions I read. I'm sure wikipedia and its users need this article. So, should I just recreate the article again and add the sources at the end? Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jppaiva86 (talk • contribs) 01:07, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

• Create it in User:Jppaiva86/sandbox and ask at deletion review if it is now acceptable. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 02:05, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

I have posted your rude and unnecessary response in the helpdesk. Please keep in mind that this encyclopedia is maintained and created by everyone, not only expert users like yourself. People who are willing to give five minutes of their time to create an article, should be cherished just like you, one administrator, for being a computer expert. Your language was, to say the least, unacceptable. Nevertheless, thank you for kindly answering me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jppaiva86 (talk • contribs) 02:23, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry Jppaiva86, I to did the same thing! Look at all his/her replies! Such a rude, stuck up, grumpy individual. Strikes me there's not a good bone in him or her! Hopefully Wikipedia will put him/her straight! Zaps93 (talk) 15:36, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

ben wilson (editor)

Hi may i know why ben wilson (editor) was deleted? We are still in the midst of writing up the article. Is it possible to undelete it? Also, could you please give me some advice on how to make the article more notable? Is it possible to link a wiki link to biographicon? Thank you very much. :) Vejoyie (talk) 11:35, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

• No thanks to you, I find the article at Ben Wilson (editor). Who are "we"? I shall asume that you are the staff of Baller Magazine and that you are here to promote the mag and its editors. I certainly will not undelete it but you may post a draft at User:Vejoyie/sandbox and raise the matter at deletion review. "Make the article more notable". What a strange phrase - we are not interested in the notability of the article; we are interested in the notability of Ben Wilson. Having had the article deleted twice for lack of notability, did it cross your mind that it might be an idea to include some links to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources? Adding an icon would do absolutely nothing. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:08, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

May I have the page that was deleted so i can edit it in the sandbox instead of writing it over again? also, were the links i put it considered significant coverage? or totally insignificant? or just insufficient links? hope you can advise on this.. thank you. :)Vejoyie (talk) 11:49, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

• E-mailed to you. Surely the words independent secondary sources are not meaningless to you? How many links did your article contain to such coverage? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:08, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Mightier Than Sword Records

I plan on trying to repost Mightier Than Sword Records with more sources and a better page design today. I believe this Label contributes enough to the punk rock scene to have a wikipedia page. Please let me know what you think. Mtjas (talk) 18:07, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

• You shot yourself in the foot - you applied an {{hangon}} tag to an article which had no speedy tag! I am dubious about whether there are enough refs to reliable sources but I will let it pass. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:12, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Swarnavalli Mutt

Hi, RHaworth.You created the above article. It is related to India and Hinduism. While you are English. So, I'm just curious about it that how did you get info about that topic? Thank you. – Max Viwe | Wanna chat with me? 16:48, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

• For goodness sake! Look at the logs and history. What did I do to the article? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:54, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh.LOL.Extremly sorry for misunderstanding.Max Viwe | Wanna chat with me? 16:57, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Roar on the Shore

Could I get a copy of the deleted article Roar on the Shore Bike Rally? I was going to write a shore article on it, only to see it had come and gone already. Niagara ^{Don't give up the ship} 20:36, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

• Text e-mailed. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:22, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Niagara ^{Don't give up the ship} 23:30, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Format change

Just out of curiosity, what was the point of this? -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 03:59, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

• None whatsoever. Call it edit conflict. 15 minutes may seem a long time but when I am going through CSDs I open a group of articles in separate tabs and then work through them. So it was this state I looked at when I decided on a redirect. Not sure how I missed that you had done the same. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 05:33, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Re. My Wings and variations on a theme...

Greetings RHaworth. Thanks for your message. Just for your information, over at the Wikipedia in Spanish the equivalent article was speedy deleted on or around the 15th of this month. Having proposed it myself, I was in contact with the creator of the article who accepted the (my) reasons for the proposal, as per following exchange: just in case yer Spanish isn't up to scratch, basically my argument was/is that an "airline" with only 1 (one) aircraft cannot be considered notable, even by my notoriously lax standards. If that were the case, Wikipedia would have to include every single one-man pilot service around the world - hey! and why not every taxi driver, milkperson, postperson, ... but I digress. Sorry to see (from your message) that you are the victim of umbrage (I haven't checked it out yet), and as such, please accept my humble - and virtual - support. Cheers! --Technopat (talk) 19:47, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Close encounters

File:Van Pelt Paints Close2.JPG This image file was restored per my request to Malik Shabazz to correct the licensing problem, but you've deleted it again before I had a chance to make the correction. Please restore this image file, so I can correct it. Thank you.EverMoody (talk) 16:13, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

• I did see that it had been restored at your request. I also saw that 24 hours had elapsed with no correction. I suggest that you first fix the licensing situation for File:Van Pelt Paints Close1.jpg. If that is done to the satisfaction of the Commoners, then simply re-upload File:Van Pelt Paints Close2.JPG to the Commons and apply the same licence tags. We do not need it on Wikipedia. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:01, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

The Shures (band)

Hello, RHaworth. I believe this particular band is notable. Would you be amenable to restoring this recently deleted page, so that I can attempt to make some improvements? Thus far, I have found a few secondary sources that have provided coverage of this band (e.g., The Insider), which I hope will be a good start. Any other suggestions or recommendations you could make, perhaps noting what you saw missing from the article to make it a candidate for deletion, would be greatly appreciated! Thank you, in advance, for your consideration. Druid523 (talk) 07:16, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

• What was missing? A total absence of external links specific to the group! Allegedly they produce YouTube videos - so why no links to them? I have e-mailed you the text. Your lack of contributions history suggests to my cynical mind that you have a COI but, for some reason, I am willing to say re-publish rather than go to deletion review. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 08:31, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Hello, again! I actually haven't ever viewed the article before yesterday, nor am I a member of the band itself. I suppose my only conflict of interest is in believing the band notable enough to have a Wikipedia article, since it is one of a select few distance musical collaborations that have garnered attention. I was simply made aware that this particular page was removed and, upon reviewing the text, noticed it was missing secondary sources, among other things. =) Thus, I contacted you! Thank you very much for providing the opportunity to re-publish the article, even in spite of your initial suspicions. =) It is greatly appreciated! Druid523 (talk) 17:21, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Would it be inappropriate to forward you the article …? – Druid523 (talk) [via e-mail]

• Forward to where? Create your draft in User:Druid523/sandbox and by all means let me know before you move it to the (article) namespace. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:37, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Note

[2] Tommy! [message] 16:54, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Do you want me to bring this to ANI or what? No reply, no note, just click delete? That's pretty rude to just delete something because you don't agree with it. Its not 'pointless' as one, it's faster and more importantly easier to substitute. Tommy! [message] 07:20, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

• "No reply, no note" - what do you expect? No message in the first place! What on earth was I to make of your first non-message above? The template namespace is not for your personal convenience. Is really too much for you to type {{User:Tommy2010/w}} rather than {{Tommy2010/w}}? If so, stick to the standard {{welcome}} template. (Check the wiki markup of this page - how many times have I keyed "User:RHaworth/moans#"? Do I try and create my own template?) — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:03, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
• Surely you can create a shortcut in User:Tommy2010/vector.js, so the rest of the world will never see it. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:11, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't know how all that works.. don't really care either because this is an encyclopedia, not comp sci. Also, if I type {{User:Tommy2010/welcome}} I don't think that's substituted which is why I don't use it as I said above. Also, not to sound rude, but who did you think I was referring to in that page's only edit summary? I wouldn't have posted a new section here for no reason- obviously. Tommy! [message] 12:51, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

• "That page's only edit summary": your wording is unclear but I assume you are referring to "It was never moved, it's a fast shortcut redirect." I saw it but considered it insufficient justification for it to exist. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:27, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

ok. Tommy! [message]

Vitis vulpina should have a talk page.

Hi, RHaworth. Noted a page with the following name was deleted by you recently. Please see if you have any objection to me recreating it, after you take a look at the relevant article. Talk:Vitis vulpina. I'll put your talk on my watchlist. Thanks, Hamamelis (talk) 19:03, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

• The Wikipedia motto is "be bold". Don't ask - do it. What I deleted was just a bot notifying some ambiguous links. These were fixed so the notification was deleted. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:29, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

That darned bot! Thanks, Hamamelis (talk) 17:31, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

GFC Planet Solutions inc.

Hi M. RHaworth, I would be delighted to know why my article about GFC Planet Solutions inc. got deleted. Thanks for advising. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevin.breault (talk • contribs) 19:46, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

• What does the deletion log say? The "article" was very short; provided absolutely no evidence of notability and did not even make much assertion of it. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:29, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Alright, somebody else will make it at some point. My last addition to wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.92.20.58 (talk) 18:54, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Deletion review for The X Factor Fan Site

An editor has asked for a deletion review of The X Factor Fan Site. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review.

Can you tell me why so many admins wanted to delete my article so quickly? Without giving advice or criticism, or editing help to keep the page, they were so quick to delete, that the page went live and within an hour, it was gone. Please tell me, if you are the type of person to help, or are the type of person to make speedy deletions? I am pleading for your help, to make a worthy version of my article, that will withstand attack. Are you that person? – Robtencer (talk) 20:44, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

• "So many admins" - exactly how many? I can count just two. Am I that person? Get real man. I deleted the article. I will give you a little clue: the article was loaded with external links but did any of them demonstrate the notability of the site? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:11, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Reece and Nichols Realtors Inc.

I no sooner disputed Piano's speedy delete of this page when I posted the reason on a new talk page for it when you deleted the talk page. Would you please add it back and likewise for Piano placing the actual article back out there. Again, quite simply, the significance of the firm as composed is it is the largest real estate brokerage in the KCMA (thus earning a slot on that page's list of significant firms headquartered in and around the metro); it is a principal affiliate of the two referenced pages which are published HomeServices of America, a Birkshire Hathaway co. It is also an article requested to be written on the list of topics to be addressed to make several related articles easier to maintain-- ie KCMA, KCMO and so forth. That's why I also added other significant headquartered firms in the metro such as W&R and UMB. CRoetzer (talk) 10:37, 22 July 2010 (UTC)CRoetzer talk

• Considering how long you have been contributing, you should be ashamed to create an article totally devoid of refs to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. I am very dubious about whether estate agents (as we call them) are in general notable so I suggest you ask at deletion review. Incidentally, even on a talk page, do not use KCMA without a link - do you seriously think that all the world knows what it stands for? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:41, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

AfD of Doppler guided transanal dearterialization

Hi. You recently participated in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/THD method. You might like to know that the article has been re-posted yet again, word-for-word identical, but my speedy request was declined so I've started an AfD debate at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Doppler guided transanal dearterialization. andy (talk) 12:08, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

ManagePro

The user who wrote the ManagePro article came to me and asked for my help to get the article into Wikipedia. I have advised on how to make the article acceptable ( you can see the discussion here: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/User_talk:Pm_master#Need_some_advice ). The user has modified the article and I have re-added the article to Wikipedia.

Hi again, I have just noticed that the user (original creator of ManagePro) is a suspected sockpuppet of 2 accounts, I emptied the article and I asked for the article to be deleted, sorry for the confusion, but I just don't want to fall in this trap. This is the first time and the last time I will be adding an article that was already deleted... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pm master (talk • contribs)

• Since all the edits were yours, you could have tagged it G7! Deleted again. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:41, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

RHaworth, I followed your advice and sought the help of another wikipedian (Pm Master) to get the ManagePro article included. Because there is a "suspected sockpuppet" brand on my User: Twelch page, Pm Master mistakenly feels I'm trying to trap him, even though I gave a history in my initial contact that included you suspecting me of being a sockpuppet. If you read my request for help on the user page, you will see that what I'm saying is true.

I not only reached out to Pm Master, but also requested feedback on the discussion page, and in the Request for feedback area. Is there truly no way that an article for ManagePro can be included on wikipedia? Tswelch (talk) 16:40, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

• Tswelch, first of all let us have some links! Where is this advice I am alleged to have given you? Where is this "initial contact" where I mentioned sockpuppetry? Which user page carries your request for help? And why, since Scanplan (talk · contribs) has never been blocked, did you feel it necessary to create Rbrim (talk · contribs) and then your current Tswelch account? And further confuse matters by editing from an IP address - 68.116.39.69 (talk · contribs)? Of course there is a way for ManagePro to be included. Simply wait. Once it becomes notable, you may be confident that a Wikipedia editor with no COI will write about it. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:35, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

RHaworth, you gave me advice in your discussion page in June under the title 'Need some advice' here.

The initial contact to Pm Master that I refer to is on User talk: Pm Master page here.

My request for editorial help is at User talk: Tswelch/ManagePro and also at Requests for feedback area here.

I never used the account Scanplan because it is not my account. That account belongs to Dave. I did not create, or ever use the Rbrim account because that account also does not belong to me. I created the Tswelch account for myself.

As far as confusing matters by editing from an IP address, that was not in any way an attempt to manipulate or conceal my edits. Any confusion caused by that was unintended. I am still learning how wikipedia works and have tried to remember to always login before making any edits.

First, you said to contact another editor with knowledge in the field to see if they would help in getting the article included. I did that by contacting Pm Master, which said, "Hi Tswelch, my personal opinion is that your product is worth having an article on Wikipedia." It was only after he saw the sockpuppet label that he deleted the article.

As for your most recent advice, "Simply wait." ManagePro was initially developed in 1992 and has won numerous awards; it's gotten 5 out of 5 stars by PC magazine and PC magazine also rated ManagePro as one of the top 50 management softwares available in the 1990's; we've deployed our software to a broad range of organizations, from the United Nations to single users. After nearly 20 years, I feel we are beyond the "Simply wait" phase.

I feel that this effort has been a string of misunderstandings and mis-steps. I understand that you are very serious about not letting anyone abuse wikipedia. Again, this is not my intention. If an article about ManagePro was allowed to be posted, I would be happy to see people edit/contribute to it. However, that chance has never been granted.

Also, can you please provide a reference for how I can defend myself of being a sockpuppet? I've searched and been unsuccessful. Tswelch (talk) 19:04, 28 July 2010 (UTC)Tswelch

This page is now closed. If you reply, start a new thread at user talk:RHaworth.

How can you defend yourself against accusations of sockpuppetry? Come out honestly and state: "Tswelch, Scanplan (Dave) and Rbrim (apparently also called Dave) are three different people who all work for Performance Solutions Technology" (real names not needed). But in any case it is not important until people start proposing blocking accounts and no one is doing that (yet).

If it has been around since 1992, why do you think that no COI-free person has written about it here? I find that very suspicious. I see that you have done quite a lot of work on User:Tswelch/ManagePro so why don't you move it to the (article) namespace and see what happens? I might just restict my actions to a {{COI}} tag.

Incidentally you may care to see what happens to KnowledgeBase Manager Pro. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:01, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of Temagami Outfitting Company

Thanks a lot dick. I started a discussion on the talk page about the deletion, but nobody did not comment. Even though it is deleted, I will eventually recreate it. Volcanoguy 23:37, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

• You deserve to be blocked for incivility. Considering how long you have been contributing, you should be ashamed to create an article totally devoid of refs to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:44, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

CIDCO

Why is CIDCO_inc being deleted? it does not fall under g11 guidelines. and I quote! Furthermore, G11. Unambiguous advertising or promotion. Pages that are exclusively promotional, and would need to be fundamentally rewritten to become encyclopedic. Note that simply having a company or product as its subject does not qualify an article for this criterion...

My page does not qualify under this as the company is BANKRUPT and non-functional, so, what would I be promoting? a company that is out of business? This article will be as detailed and exaustive as I can make it, not only on CIDCO the company, but on the technology and the telephonic side of things. There are not alot of these resources or information pages online.

Do not just tell me you are going to delete my article, tell me how to make it better, offer input and critique. I'm an engineer and write technical instructions for my job. Let me know how to make this article better. Lust2636 (talk) 19:48, 22 July 2010 (UTC) Lust2636 (talk) 00:58, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

• I did not see any indication that the company is bankrupt so G11 appeared to apply. But in any case A7 applies - no evidence of notability. If you really think the company is notable, first write a proper article! Phrases such as "this article was made because "CIDCO" in Wiki Search" and "Wiki has a Wonderful page on Caller ID" do not belong in an article. We do not describe caller ID, we simply link (properly!) to the "Wonderful page" thus: caller id. When you have created a proper article at User:Lust2636/CIDCO Inc., raise the matter at deletion review. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:39, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Please see links here: http://quotes.nasdaq.com/asp/SummaryQuote.asp?symbol=CDCO&selected=CDCO http://www.investorguide.com/stock-news-show.php?story_id=30815035&topic=CDCO And I Quote:
May 12, 2010 (Business Wire) -- Comdisco Holding Company, Inc. (OTC: CDCO) (“Comdisco”) today reported financial results for its fiscal second quarter ended March 31, 2010. Comdisco emerged from Chapter 11 bankruptcy proceedings on August 12, 2002 and, under its Plan of Reorganization (the “Plan”), its business purpose is limited to the orderly sale or run-off of all its remaining assets.
Operating Results: For the quarter ended March 31, 2010, Comdisco reported net earnings of approximately $18,000, or $0.00 per common share (basic and diluted). The per share results for Comdisco are based on 4,029,055 shares of common stock outstanding on average during the quarter ended March 31, 2010.

The new "Comdisco" is not CIDCO, CallerID Corp/CallerID Company as their stock ticker "CDCO" has not changed. Under the re-organization they are not in business, merely selling off assetts. They can not even afford to buy back their stocks.

Therefore, It is my position that they are not a functional, every-day to day business model, nor do they service or support their old CIDCo products. As Such, they should exist like the "Historic" telco pages for NYNEX, SNET, Bell Atlrantic, MCI, Sprint, and other "Verizon" holdings. Their devices are referenced in other articles in Wiki, listed as parts and stubs, SORRY for trying to make Wiki better and expand peoples information and knowledge.

Please reference other Wiki articles on my personal talk space... because under this logic, these should all be deleted.

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/User_talk:Lust2636/CIDCO_Inc

and here... http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/User_talk:Blurpeace
So, I created a set of pages, then they are flagged for deletion, but, the new page is even in my personal user-space, and the other page, is created by someone other then me, that i modified, and now its being threatened for deletion. according to: G2. Test pages.
This excludes the sandbox and the users' own user space, as well as pages that were created in error (see G6)

...my personal space shouldnt even be in question... i am beyond aggrevated and was just trying to do the right thing and fill in missing gaps of a pre-existing wiki, that portions keep getting re-done and deleted. Please help. --Lust2636 (talk) 06:00, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

And still I no help from Wiki, just aggrevation. Lust2636 (talk) 23:03, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

• I suggesed that you should create a proper article at User:Lust2636/CIDCO Inc. and raise the matter at deletion review. Did you consider this a reasonable suggestion? Why are you not following it? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:31, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

That is my point, i made the article at http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=User:Lust2636/CIDCO_Inc.&action=edit&redlink=1 and it was G11 deleted in my personal space, too. So, G2 rule is ignored?! Because my work in progress was deleted there also. I am tired of Wiki. I tried, I followed the rules, and still it was deleted in my personal space. I can not win, so I will walk away. Come Monday I will be in touch with people regarding this issue. 09:35, 23 July 2010 RHaworth (talk | contribs) deleted "User:Lust2636/CIDCO Inc" ‎ (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion) Lust2636 (talk) 22:20, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

• "But in any case A7 applies - no evidence of notability." A7 is about credible assertions of importance, not notability. Are you applying speedy deletion criteria correctly? Fences&Windows 21:12, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

• Thank you for reminding me. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:11, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Darlaston Community Science College

Hi, I see you are an admin and currently active. Assuming it's genuine, it looks like an eleven year old has posted her email address on the Talk:Darlaston Community Science College page. Personally, I think the page should be deleted, would you agree? - Scribble Monkey (talk) 21:10, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

• Done. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:12, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Thanks. - Scribble Monkey (talk) 21:42, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Observium

Hi, Someone appears to have started a DrV[3] on one of your speedies without talking to you first. It appears you speedy deleted something that was previously kept (under a different name) at AfD and so wasn't eligible for the speedy. Easy enough mistake to make and would have been fixed had the nom followed the directions at DrV (which I just edited to make _really_ plain...). In any case, you might want to consider just restoring it an closing the DrV. Best of luck, Hobit (talk) 08:52, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

• I see he did contact you, just quite a while ago. I'd like to point out that your deletion was _way_ the heck out of process and should have been corrected when he contacted you. This wasn't a speedy for all sorts of reasons and the reasons you gave for speedying it (no improvement) are quite worrying. Please use AfD for things like that. Hobit (talk) 08:59, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Untitled Second Studio Album (Angtoria)

There is an article about Angtoria, so this was not eligible for speedy A9. However, I think it's eligible for A10 as all the info is already in the Angtoria article. PamD (talk) 22:10, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Lily-Ann Beckwith

Hi. You deleted Lily-Ann Beckwith. Looks like its been recreated - complete with original CSD tag! --Kudpung (talk) 04:38, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

伊朗娜達之死

Hi, FYI it looks as if 伊朗娜達之死 did not exist on the zh. wikipedia. The equivalent English article was Death of Neda Agha-Soltan. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:40, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Please!

Is it possible to undo the deletion of the recent userpage. It was my discussion board and also a sandbox. I don't want to redo everything so please undo it. Thanks again!

Antoinefcb (talk) 15:22, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Holograms

Per your recommendation in our old conversation, I found some more references. Somebody actually did a double-blind test on television to verify the effects of the holograms. The holograms failed the test. The reporters coerced one of the corporate guys into going on the show so that he could defend his product, and it must have been humiliating for him. The video is available online. User:Heyzeuss/hologram Heyzeuss (talk) 17:25, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

• I was going to tell you to tone down the first few sentences in line with magnet therapy but you have launched it anyway. Best of luck to it — it will probably survive. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:13, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of TicketsLK

I've PRODed this article for reasons I suspect you may have attempted to CSD it in the past. If you'd like to check out the article and my PROD please do. ialsoagree (talk) 01:55, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

The New Dominions deletion

I understand why the article The New Dominions was deleted, but I feel confident that I can make the necessary edits to exhibit the group's notability. With minor edits, I believe this article can become worthy of notice, most notably by including links to third party reviews and award nominations (including RARB, CASA, and Voices Only) that define success for a cappella groups across the United States. What will increase this article's value to Wikipedia readers? Vgriffin (talk) 23:34, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

• It is not a matter of "increasing its value". It is a matter of establishing the subject's notability and "links to third party reviews and award nominations" are exactly what is needed. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 00:49, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Nambour, Queensland

Hi. Given this edit you may be interested in the discussion at Talk:Nambour, Queensland#Requested move. Cheers, Mattinbgn\^talk 11:23, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

HomeFinder Channel 100

Re Deletion of My Article on HomeFinder Channel 100 posted by user homefinder100 (user name change applied for changing FROM "homefinder100" TO "IPTV Pioneer"

On Notability: Are these adequate?

WEB LINKS BY RELIABLE SOURCES RE NOTABILITY http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?section=news/local&id=6075837 http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080411/BUSINESS05/977224736 http://www.419toledorealestate.com/419-toledo-real-estate http://www.sulphurspringsrealty.com/quickfacts.php http://www.worldmarketmedia.com/1893/section.aspx/1470732/buckeye-cablesystemr-launches-new-sunday-morning-real-estate-show-and-curb-searchtm-mobile-web-site http://www.419toledorealestate.com/toledo-real-estate-toledo-homes-for-sale-toledo-homes-toledo-houses-toledo-realtor/toledo-real-estate-gets-mobile

• Review at StreetInsider.com

Please advise if this is adequate or if more are needed.

Also, if agreed this topic is notable then can you reverse the disapproved edits I made to Buckeye CableSystem?

Thank you for your consideration. IPTV Pioneer (talk) 19:07, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

• OK, have this AfD discussion free of charge. But please do something about those obscene naked URLs - see my edit to the StrretInsider link above. Wait until the AfD is closed before editing Buckeye CableSystem. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:35, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

@RHaworth: Sorry if I misunderstood your instructions. I thought I was not to edit the main article until the AfD was closed. Now I see you want to hold off editing a wikipedia page that points to the HomeFinder Channel 100 Page. I will update the page with my latest, sanitized version, and hope you see an improvement.

IPTV Pioneer (talk) 12:57, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Please see my major re-write of article at HomeFinder Channel 100 and let me know if changes eliminate objections?

IPTV Pioneer (talk) 15:09, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Think this would survive?

User:Pianotech/Scottish_Rite_Cathedral_(New_Castle,_PA). The building has a listing on the National Register of Historic Places in Lawrence County, but not an article of its own. Thought I'd write one. Thanks, Pianotech ^{Talk to me!}/_Contribs 20:41, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

• Yes, it should survive. Have you looked at {{Infobox NRHP}}? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 00:35, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for looking, and also thanks for the NRHP infobox. I didn't see it but will check it out. Pianotech ^{Talk to me!}/_Contribs 00:48, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Niels van Gogh

Hello RHaworth, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Niels van Gogh, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Theleftorium ^(talk) 21:59, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Hint

If you'll take a hint, please see Novotel Clarke Quay Singapore as well. Debresser (talk) 07:15, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Image permissions

Hey there, I'm asking for a favor. If you get time, could you review some images I uploaded and added to the Anthony Ashley-Cooper, 10th Earl of Shaftesbury article? I think the use of the images are kosher, but I would just like to make sure. Please feel free to delete the images that are inappropriately added. I would additionally appreciate it if you could glance through the article and make sure the use of British English is attributed properly. I appreciate your help. Have a great day. Cindamuse (talk) 13:49, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

• My first reaction was: too many images! A picture of a bit of the Côte d'Azur adds nothing to the article. Even the statue of Anteros is an intrusion - not relevant to this earl. I suggest these deletions and I am dubious about the butterfly and map of the six counties. I am not an expert on fair use - I submitted my first fair use image only a couple of days ago. You may be asked to scale some of them down in size, especially File:Ashley-Cooper press conference 2007.jpg but in any case just wait and see what the image pedants think. The images have survived nearly a week so you may be all right. I have not noticed any lapses from British English. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:48, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I went ahead and removed three images. The butterfly, Anteros, and the Côte d'Azur. I also reduced the size of some others. Hope it works. Thanks again. Cindamuse (talk) 01:25, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

List of electronic color code mnemonics

Hi, I removed your PROD template and referenced my note on the talk page. Although I do think this list is ridiculous trivia, one or two editors on the main page, Electronic color code have insisted on including every mnemonic under the sun (although all referenced). In order to tidy up the page at Electronic color code I separated them out so now it looks much cleaner. My rationale was that people who are really interested in learning every single referenced mnemonic conceived could continue on to the list, otherwise, they could read the article without interruption. I actually would support deleting the page in an AfD (even though I created it) but I'm worried that that will prompt the users to simply move the excessive list back on to the Electronic color code. Any advice/thoughts would be helpful! jheiv ^{talk contribs} 18:59, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

• It is an horrible page but at least it is not spam or a non-notable bio! Just let it run and transfer any more that appear in electronic color code from there into the list. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:13, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Transistor Sound & Lighting Co.

Curious as to deletion. How is importance or significance guidline not met? NotionsUnlimited (talk) 19:59, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Jared Ellitt

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2010 July 31#Jared Elliott. Hi, we were part way through a reasonable and balanced discussion on this redirect when, rather unexpectedly, you speedy deleted it. The grounds for speedy deletion, "Totally implausible redirect.", are not grounds for a speedy specified in WP:CSD R3 which states "Recently created redirects from implausible typos or misnomers"; rather different. Even if the deletion were technically within R3 I would disagree with your interpretation. It may be that the discussion results in deletion but the result of the discussion should not be prejudged. I would ask that you, please, undelete this redirect, and reopen the RFD, to allow discussion to continue. Bridgeplayer (talk) 20:49, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

• It was exactly what a R3 covers: a total misnomer. But if you want to waste time over it, you may. Restored. The rest I leave to you. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 04:53, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Regarding your recent revert of vandalism

Hi. regarding your revert here of an SPA account Asik5678, could you also take a look at these edits of his?They seem to be grossly POV, delete existing references, and contradict this section of the article, which is actually sourced. Thanks.117.194.200.171 (talk) 23:03, 3 August 2010 (UTC)