Talk:Crusading movement

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Edge3 (talk) 03:43, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that the Crusading movement created a framework of ideologies and institutions that described, regulated, and promoted the Crusades? Source: Maier, Christoph T. (2006a). "Ideology". In Murray, Alan V. (ed.). The Crusades: An Encyclopedia. Vol. II:D-J. ABC-CLIO. pp. 627–631. ISBN 978-1-57607-862-4.
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Improved to Good Article status by Norfolkbigfish (talk). Self-nominated at 15:23, 4 June 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Crusading movement; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

Onegreatjoke, many thanks. How about these?

• • ALT1:....that one feature of the Crusading movement was the increasing popularity of models of the prime objective, Church of the Holy Sepulchre, that became embedded in daily devotion, providing a visible sign of what crusading was about. Source: Tyerman, Christopher (2019). The World of the Crusades. Yale University Press. ISBN 978-0-300-21739-1.
  • ALT2:....that the crusader states that had been created in the Levant by the Crusading movement became nationalist rallying points and emblematic of western European colonialism in the mid-19th century.Source: Madden, Thomas F. (2013). The Concise History of the Crusades (Third ed.). Rowman & Littlefield Publishers. ISBN 978-1-4422-1576-4.

I find it all interesting but have been in amongst it for too long to understand what they lay reader finds interesting. So guidance is welcome. I'll be away for a couple of weeks now, so please be patient with my replies. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 11:46, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Onegreatjoke, thanks. I think we are getting there. How about using Levant for the geography? Alternatives would be Near East or Eastern Mediterranean, all of which are pretty much synonyms. I have also wiki-linked what I can.Norfolkbigfish (talk) 06:53, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

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Overall: @Norfolkbigfish: Good article, but a much better hook could definitely be made for this nomination. So i'll wait for the new hook. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:11, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

@Norfolkbigfish: alt2 works though I feel like some wikilinking and clarification would do nicely if it can fit under 200 characters (For example, what is the East?). Onegreatjoke (talk) 23:05, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Alt2 is good now. Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:21, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

@Norfolkbigfish and Onegreatjoke: I think ALT2 is too long, vague, and winding. Being familiar with the article—good to see it got to GA eventually, how about something like: ALT3 "... that the Crusading movement defined concepts of warfare throughout medieval Europe?" Shorter, sweeter, and more likely to 'hook'. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:25, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

I am ambivalent, what do you think Onegreatjoke Norfolkbigfish (talk) 12:01, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Sure, I can approve that. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:43, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

In that case, it is fine by me @AirshipJungleman29 and Onegreatjoke: Norfolkbigfish (talk) 07:06, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

@Onegreatjoke:—I assume all is ok to go with this one? :-) Norfolkbigfish (talk) 10:26, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

It's just waiting for a promoter, don't worry; neither I nor OGJ can promote it because we're involved. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:52, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Signed for archiving Norfolkbigfish (talk) 12:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

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This appears to relate to Talk:Crusading_movement/GA4 (GA4) Several scholarly PoVs are overemphasised: The movement enabled the papacy to consolidate its leadership of the Latin church. (A contrasting view is presented by Norman Housley, also cited in the article. /Housley 2006, pp. 147–148/). Housley's historiography mentioned actually appears to agree with the sentence. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 18:21, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Housley writes The one area in which the development of the medieval papacy was indubitably shaped by crusading was the curia's control over the Church at large.

Without wanting to closely paraphrase this looks pretty much the same thing to me. However, would be interested in alternate phrasing suggestions if required. Page 148 btw. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 18:31, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Do you have any comment to make @Borsoka? Norfolkbigfish (talk) 08:53, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Crusading movement/GA5. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Norfolkbigfish (talk · contribs) 13:16, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: AirshipJungleman29 (talk · contribs) 10:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

I'll take this under review, as I noted at WT:GAN. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Restoration Norfolkbigfish (talk) 12:44, 11 December 2024 (UTC)