Talk:Adèle de Dombasle

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The result was: promoted by JuniperChill talk 15:09, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

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Pōmare IV by Adele de Dombasle

• ... that French divorcee Adèle de Dombasle travelled to Polynesia in 1847 working as an illustrator, drawing people such as Queen Pōmare IV (pictured)? Source: "Adèle de Dombasle managed to produce several tens of drawings during her travels in Polynesia (and Chile). These represent monuments and sites from the Marquesas, Tahitian and Marquesan inhabitants with elements of material culture, landscapes and portraits—including from historical figures such as Queen Pomaré." & "In 1848, a young French divorcée11 who had sailed across two oceans, from Bordeaux to the Marquesas Islands" in https://archaeologybulletin.org/articles/10.5334/bha-656
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Spearfishing at the Micronesian Games
  • Comment: I expanded it from a very tiny stub!

5x expanded by Lajmmoore (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 102 past nominations.

Lajmmoore (talk) 18:19, 26 September 2024 (UTC).

• An interesting article, I will review shortly. TSventon (talk) 19:05, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
• @Lajmmoore:, The article is well written (and no longer an orphan). It is clearly 5x expanded, new enough and long enough. No POV problems and no obvious copyvio via Earwig. Images are from 1847 so no copyright problems.
• QPQ has been completed.
• The hook is intriguing, but could you double check that the hook facts are in the article with references following immediately. I couldn't find "divorcee", "travelled to Polynesia in 1847" is OK, "working as an illustrator" and "drawing people such as Queen Pōmare IV" are not immediately followed by references.
• The hook image is interesting and free to use.TSventon (talk) 22:22, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
• Another hook issue, note 11 in the source says she was "More precisely, separated from her husband, as recorded in French archives under the 19th century legal term separée de corps (de la Grandville 2001: 22)." fr:Séparation de corps en France looks like separation rather than divorce. TSventon (talk) 13:41, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Thanks very much TSventon I think I have picked up these issues and those on the talk page. I'll propose a tweaked ALT so as to not include the marriage details:

ALT1 ... that Adèle de Dombasle helped pioneer women's exploration in Oceania and worked as an illustrator, drawing people such as Queen Pōmare IV (pictured)? Source: "Adèle de Dombasle managed to produce several tens of drawings during her travels in Polynesia (and Chile). These represent monuments and sites from the Marquesas, Tahitian and Marquesan inhabitants with elements of material culture, landscapes and portraits—including from historical figures such as Queen Pomaré." & the pioneer statement derives from the section in https://archaeologybulletin.org/articles/10.5334/bha-656 "Finding the Pacific Matildas" (first paragraph) Lajmmoore (talk) 19:58, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• @Lajmmoore:, thank you, I can approve Alt1 and have struck Alt0. TSventon (talk) 22:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
  • Note to promoters: the image should not be used per WP:DYKIMG ("avoid images that divert readers from the bolded article into a side article"). ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:28, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Queries

@Lajmmoore:, I have a few general questions

• could you move the article to Adèle de Dombasle with a grave accent? That seems to be what the sources use.
• could you remove "Paris Diary by Laure"? It doesn't sound reliable and doesn't seem to be used.
• the [fr] links give me blank pages, could you use {{ill}}?

TSventon (talk) 22:24, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

The problem with the [fr] links was different capitalisation, which I missed yesterday and fixed today. I would still recommend {{ill}} and checking links to other Wikipedias as they show blue even if they don't link to an article. TSventon (talk) 12:58, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Thanks very much TSventon - this has prompted me to learn how to do ILLs, which I had been putting off. The above points also corrected - the diary was a carry-over from the stub I believe (but I have should have picked it up). Lajmmoore (talk) 19:52, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
  • @Lajmmoore:, Thank you for the updates. I remembered the name from the list of orphans at WP:Women's History, so it is good to see a proper article. I have created Wikidata item d:Q130375558 for Jeanne Michel Leenhardt based on fr:Maurice Leenhardt. Hopefully the Pacific Matildas project will be able to publish some more background information on de Dombasle as the article you found focuses almost exclusively on her visit to the Pacific. There is some unsourced and therefore unusable information in a comment here: Some biographic informations about Adèle de Dombasle : Gabrielle Adélaïde (dite Adèle) Mathieu de Dombasle b 17/09/1819 Nancy, daughter Joseph Antoine Mathieu de Dombasle & Céline Gabrielle Bertier ; m1 12/02/1842 Paris with Adrien Garreau ; m2 04/08/1875 Nice with Gustave Henry Dardel ; d 08/11/1901 Monaco. TSventon (talk) 23:10, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
  • La Politique Nouvelle seems pretty obscure, I found La Politique Nouvelle (179), hebdomadaire de Léopold Amail et Arthur Enfantin with a note (179) 27 nos, 2-III, 9-XI-1851 : 4.000 exemplaires pour le no 1. as one of 221 journals in Presse parisienne à destination des ouvriers (1848-1851) (R Gossez, 1966, p. 169). TSventon (talk) 01:13, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

    Thanks so much @TSventon - this is great context. I was so eger to know more about her life - especially once she was back in France! Fingers crossed more research will come! Lajmmoore (talk) 08:42, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

First sentence

@Sg7438: Hi, why do you think Adèle is needed after née? A footnote in Dotte-Sarout has Gabrielle Adélaide Garreau née Mathieu de Dombasle, where Mathieu de Dombasle was her maiden name. TSventon (talk) 22:16, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, she was not born (née) but called Adèle Mathieu de Dombasle check here please Sg7438 (talk) 07:28, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

@Sg7438: I asked as you added Adèle after née here, which I don't believe is correct. The article also says known as Adèle de Dombasle. Unfortunately I don't think that polmoresie.over-blog.fr is reliable for Wikipedia purposes, unless the author is a subject matter expert. TSventon (talk) 07:52, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

It seems that her birth name (née) was Gabrielle Adélaide Garreau while her professional name was Adèle Mathieu de Dombasle. For the source, I leave it to you to find the right one.Sg7438 (talk) 08:01, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

I think you are getting confused, according to the source you supplied she was born Gabrielle Adélaïde Mathieu de Dombasle, but known as (dite) Adèle. She married Adrien Garreau, but according to Dotte-Sarout was separated when she travelled to Oceania. She is now known as Adèle de Dombasle. TSventon (talk) 08:31, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

That is a blog not an RS. Traumnovelle (talk) 08:46, 26 October 2024 (UTC)