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May 31

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(Posted) RD: Marian Robinson

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Article: Marian Robinson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
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– Muboshgu (talk) 22:09, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks alright to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 02:13, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Alexander Lang

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German actor and director. Needs more work. Natg 19 (talk) 20:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose there are four cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 02:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Five now. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 02:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Six. Schwede66 20:40, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Robert Pickton

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Article: Robert Pickton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Global News AP
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Looks fine. Natg 19 (talk) 20:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support absolutely disgusted by this person but article is in a good shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 02:15, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    One of my closest friends going back nearly 20 years—a man who has always been among the least judgmental people you could possibly imagine, who strives to see the good in everybody—said at the time of sentencing (ca. 2007) that he was "disgusted" by what Pickton did. That is the only time I can recall him ever using such a strong word to describe his feelings towards anyone. Kurtis (talk) 11:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Speaking only for my own usually thick skin and unusually strong stomach, I should maybe be clear that I dropped the D-bomb for more than just Pickton and his multiple unchecked murders most foul. The early life and education here are shit. The drug and sex parties are depraved and harmful as a matter of course. The pig farming methods are casually inhumane. The way the Mounties always seem to shrug off missing and murdered indigenous women (even when they were called worse) is reprehensible. That day parole was even considered makes the whole penal system look broken and that the basic Hammurabic justice devoid in the first place was once again left in the hands of an unelected and unappointed sociopath afforded only the most primitive cleaning supplies is "problematic" at best. There are darker details, still, but they're too much for present company. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support—Well-written, well-sourced, and a dark blight on Canada's recent history that merits being known about. Kurtis (talk) 14:05, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted—Bagumba (talk) 19:36, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 30

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RD: Geneviève de Galard

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Article: Geneviève de Galard (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Le Monde
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Needs a little work. Natg 19 (talk) 21:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose there are some cn tags that needs to be resolved. PrinceofPunjabTALK 02:22, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Drew Gordon

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Article: Drew Gordon (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): ESPN
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In solid shape. Natg 19 (talk) 21:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Donald Trump found guilty

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Posted, wording adjusted as proposed by Bagumba. Any issues should be handled at WP:ERRORS. (non-admin closure) Curbon7 (talk) 05:20, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Prosecution of Donald Trump in New York (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Donald Trump found guilty in a criminal trial of falsifying business records with the intent to conceal or commit another crime in relation to payments to the porn star Stormy Daniels. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Former president of the United States Donald Trump (pictured) is found guilty of 34 felony charges in New York, USA.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Former president of the United States Donald Trump (pictured) is found guilty of 34 felony counts of falsifying business records.
News source(s): NBC News
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BilledMammal (talk) 21:14, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is most certainly in the news. This is the first time a former U.S President has been found guilty of felony charges and is a very notable event. Lukt64 (talk) 21:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ach, beat me to it. I was going to boast about being the first vote to my grandkids. Bremps... 21:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
) Lukt64 (talk) 21:22, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support First criminal conviction of a U.S. President. Article quality is good. Bremps... 21:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt2 This is very important news. I believe ITN reports when a current/former head of state/government of a nation is convicted of a crime. The alt2 blurb also sounds the most "ITN" out of all of the blurbs.
Djprasadian (talk) 21:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support notability per Bremps, maybe wait a little for article to settle down a bit? Might be worth it to wait for whatever reactions come from Trump and other involved parties before posting. Staraction (talk | contribs) 21:41, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We already have a separate article for that: Reactions to the prosecution of Donald Trump in New York. Partofthemachine (talk) 21:47, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Concur with this, article will almost certainly have some back-and-forths going on. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting comment the New York, USA part is redundant as it already said he was the POTUS. Just say New York.
Jbvann05 21:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting support this has made front-page headlines on multiple news sites. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 21:59, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd just be very amused if we don't put this on the front page for a day or so, and let "Kolkata Knight Riders defeat Sunrisers Hyderabad" stay at the top for a while. What are the odds Sunil Narine would ever be on the front page again? DS (talk) 22:05, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting support per above. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting support for adding "all" as per Bagumba and Chaotic Enby. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment is it typical of ITN to post political court rulings before the appeal phase? 188.26.145.178 (talk) 06:37, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • A jury verdict is actually not considered a "court ruling", but with respect to precedent, we posted in December 2010 immediately following the conviction of former President of Israel Moshe Katsav on rape, obstruction of justice, and like charges. BD2412 T 15:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      And in nearly all cases where we have posted a conviction, we know appeals will be attempted and all that. If there is a change of the conviction after the fact (and that depends on the situation) we would likely post that. Masem (t) 16:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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May 29

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(Posted) RD: Larry R. Hicks

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Article: Larry R. Hicks (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Aizenberg, Tom (May 29, 2024). "Judge Larry R. Hicks, appointed by Bush, dies at 80; flags at half-staff in Nevada". KRNV.
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A very run-of-the-mill example of a modern United States federal judge. BD2412 T 02:01, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article look sready. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:30, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Richard Ellis (biologist)

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Article: Richard Ellis (biologist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
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Nominator's comments: Obit published 29 May. Thriley (talk) 21:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article is in a good shape now. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:31, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bob Rogers

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Article: Bob Rogers (DJ) (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): [4]
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 Happily888 (talk) 15:10, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose some cn tags and Radio career section is unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:31, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Margot Benacerraf

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Article: Margot Benacerraf (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): El País, Efecto Cocuyo
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Venezuelan film director. Considered one of the most important filmmakers in the country, recipient of a Cannes Award in 1959. NoonIcarus (talk) 14:43, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose need for additional sourcing. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:32, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment @PrinceofPunjab: There was only a single cn tag when I checked the articles. Said tag has been fixed now. --NoonIcarus (talk) 11:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article meets bare minimum requirement. PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:48, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unreferenced date of birth. Stub tag will have to be removed before it can go onto the main page. Schwede66 21:42, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have added a citation (reused) for the date of birth. Alexcalamaro (talk) 14:15, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Stub tag removed. --NoonIcarus (talk) 14:33, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      This wikibio currently has only 274 words of prose and could use a sentence or two to make it less stubby and more comfortably in Start class. Perhaps something on her early life and education? It says in the intro that she is of Moroccan Jewish descent, but this needs a mention in the main prose with a REF. I can only confirm that she is of Jewish origin from the El Pais and El Diario REFs, but not the Moroccan part. The intro also mentions that she was "one of the first Latin American filmmakers to ...", which also needs a mention in the main prose with a REF. I could only confirmed which schools she attended from the same REFs and the Cocuyo REF, not the "one of the first" part. Perhaps it says so in another REF? Anyway, listing UCV, Columbia and IDHEC and spelling out the names of these schools, plus dates, etc. should make the wikibio long enough. --PFHLai (talk) 13:38, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      The wikibio now has 330 words of prose, after the subject's education is added to the main prose, and is long enough to qualify. Can the intro get fixed up, please? Details mentioned in the intro should be backed up in the main prose with REFs. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 14:17, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 28

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(Closed) Recognition of Palestine by Ireland, Norway and Spain

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No consensus to post. Stephen 01:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: International recognition of the State of Palestine (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The governments of Norway, Ireland, and Spain recognise the State of Palestine as a sovereign state. In response, Israel recalls several of its ambassadors to these countries. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN
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The previous nomination (from May 22) was closed because the event hadn't happened yet. Mika1h (talk) 18:53, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Even though this is covered by ongoing, it is notable enough to merit its own blurb. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 23:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose They’re neither the first EU/NATO states (most of Eastern Europe) nor the first “western” states (Sweden, Iceland) to do so, and none of them (except debatably Spain) are major regional/international powers in the same way as the USA, Germany, or France (whose recognition I probably will support when it happens). I don’t really see how this is especially notable as a result, beyond the context of the war, at which point it becomes a question of whether it overrrides the ongoing item, and (perhaps somewhat circularly of me) for the reasons previously stated I don’t really think it does. The Kip (contribs) 00:16, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article looks good enough, plus given the current climate surrounding Palestine/Israel conflict, this does have some more 'heft' to it. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 03:58, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per The Kip. I get the point that this was done by three countries at once in response to Israel's mishandling of the war against Hamas, but countries recognise the State of Palestine all the time in support of the two-state solution (for instance, Barbados, Jamaica, Trinidad and Tobago, and The Bahamas have very recently done it). A total of 145 out of 193 UN member states have recognised the State of Palestine, and these are no firsts in any category.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Slovenia’s also in the process of recognition as of today. The Kip (contribs) 22:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as before and a certain step towards two-state solution. Brandmeistertalk 07:58, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Really? Out of all the countries that recognise the State of Palestine these three are the 'certain step towards a two-state solution'? Traumnovelle (talk) 08:01, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In my humble opinion, even if lasting peace is light years away. Others may disagree. Brandmeistertalk 08:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – I'm not seeing any prose update describing this event. Significance is not made clear in the article; how are governments responding to this? ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:10, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose No significant update – just some entries in a long table. Also, as this seems to be mainly a political gesture rather than having some significant effect on the ground, I reckon it's just one of many daily events covered by our Ongoing entry for the war. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, if there's not actual prose added describing the event, how is it considered significant enough to be ITN? It's a big deal but we already feature the Israel-Hamas War on the page and I don't see this as a significant change to the status quo, and if it is I have not seen adequate justification for that. Lunsel (talk) 13:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above Ion.want.uu (talk) 15:15, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per The Kip, they are not the first western countries to recognize the Palestinian Statehood. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:29, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I know last time this came up, I opposed on CRYSTAL. But I still am not convinced its major enough to justify being in ITN as above states, other countries already did this before and I think its generally already covered by the ongoing conflict coverage. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 09:49, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support on principle, oppose on lack of update. We can't post every country that recognises Palestine, and there isn't a clear 'first' in this case. Nevertheless it has garnered a lot more media attention than almost every other recognition in that table. So in principle I think this is postable. However Andrew Davidson is right - there's no prose update in the article, only table entries. We need at least a paragraph of referenced prose about these developments. Modest Genius talk 12:07, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. We can’t just put stuff for ITN just because a country recognized another country. 48JCLTALK 16:51, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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2024 Georgian protests

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Article: 2023–2024 Georgian protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Georgian parliament led by the Georgian Dream party votes on overturning the presidential veto of a controversial Russian-modelled proposed "Law on Transparency of Foreign Influence" amidst large-scale protests. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Georgian parliament led by the Georgian Dream party overturns the presidential veto of the controversial Russian-modelled "Law on Transparency of Foreign Influence" despite large-scale protests
News source(s): The Guardian (live coverage)
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Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Article really needs an overhaul, may have to wait until vote is over. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:24, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support has been preceded by notable protests, fits ITNR Ion.want.uu (talk) 19:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, but the protest article needs just a few more fixes (four {{cn}} paragraphs in the Russia and US reaction sections, some proseline issues). For people using cite highlighters like me, note that some sources show up as unreliable even though they might not be, as the Facebook share link of the sources got archived instead for some reason. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 20:44, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for multiple reasons. Firstly, this is domestic politics with no major international impact. Secondly, if there were mass-scale protests and people really condemn the bill, they could vote against the ruling political parties on the parliamentary election later this year to change the political climate. That’s how it works in a democratic country, which Georgia pretends to be. Thirdly, the wording of the blurb with “controversial Russian-modelled” is very confusing (Did Russian officials participate in the proposal?) and not neutral. Fourthly, posting this implies that we should consider posting the potential repeal of the law in the near future if the composition of the parliament changes, which would be too much navel-gazing on a topic within a single country. In general, we don’t post such events. Protests always have the potential to merit inclusion in case they escalate, but this is still not it.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:14, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Please reread WP:ITNCDONT.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 23:28, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It quite clearly means it's modelled on a Russian law, not that Russians had any direct involvement. Traumnovelle (talk) 00:21, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Vanilla Wizard: Even if it's modelled on a Russian law, this is an event with a minor impact in global politics, and "controversial" isn't a word that should be included in a blurb. Wikipedia should remain impartial. There are hundreds of similar laws around the globe which push countries closer to Russia, China, the United States or any other global player. I also don't see how my argumentation violates WP:ITNCDONT.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 06:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If people are protesting the law it is evidently controversial... Traumnovelle (talk) 06:52, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Those people can punish the governing parties on the parliamentary election later this year. That’s how democracy works. The protests have potential for posting if they turn violent with casualties or end up in a change of government, and the law itself has potential if international sanctions are imposed against the Georgian government, but the events have clearly not reached that state yet. A milder way to oppose this would be to wait how things develop in the coming days. Otherwise, a law on NGOs resulting in mass-scale protests is very much a run-of-the-mill event, especially in times when we have major ongoing armed conflicts.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It has major international impact in light of EU enlargement and the threat of Russian aggression. This law has put Georgia away from the EU membership they have been striving for until now and back into the arms of Russia, who still occupy 1/3 of the country. The fact that several heads of state as well as international organisation have widely commented on this repeatedly reflects this. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Georgia's accession to the EU would increase its population by 0.83 per cent, area by 1.65 per cent, GDP by 0.18 per cent, and would reduce its GDP per capita by 0.65 per cent. That's all but definitely not a major impact. Furthermore, it won't happen in foreseeable future given that there have been candidate countries for more than 20 years now. Also, if you take a look at the opinion polls on this year's parliamentary election, it doesn't seem likely that the ruling party will lose and the government will change. So, it literally boils down to whether these protests can overturn the government and/or something big happens in the country's international relations (e.g. imposing of international sanctions). As it stands, there are no signs for that happening other than diplomatic notes, but we can wait to see how the story unfolds further.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's the closest transcontinental country to EU membership, polling in Georgia has EU accession at 80% support levels consistently. The protests have been huge given the relatively small population, consistent, long-term and widespread; the 2023 protests were successful at the time; this time time will tell but inclusion on ITN is not solely based its success rate. Every major news outlet in most countries has covered this, which is rare given it's a small far-flung state for most, nearly all top politicians in the EU, Russia and US have commented or are monitoring the developments. I think given Russia's increasing influence Georgia is seem as a litmus test for many, so it is hugely important geo-politically. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:18, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm still not entirely sure what kind of protests are considered notable enough for inclusion on ITN. Does it have to have a death toll? Does it have to lead to regime change? Obviously, we can't predict the latter, so it remains vague Scaramouche33 (talk) 12:53, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I was pinged, but I'll only make this one reply as it seems this back-and-forth is long enough already. Re: "I also don't see how my argumentation violates WP:ITNCDONT" Because your first and foremost argument against posting was that you believe this story only affects one country and has no international impact. WP:ITNCDONT clearly outlines this is not an acceptable reason to oppose. "Please do not... Oppose an item just because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. We post a lot of such content, so these comments are generally unproductive." I was going to argue against the idea that there's "no international impact" to what's going on in Georgia right now when the geopolitical implications seem fairly obvious, but doing so would be besides the point. Even if I agreed that this story is only related to Georgia alone, that's not a valid reason to oppose it. That is why I asked that you reread WP:ITNCDONT.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 18:07, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You’re clearly overreacting here and hanging on to my argument on the limited impact of this event. Please read my other arguments and the whole discussion before rules-lawyering. In general, we don’t post protests, unless they turn violent or result in major changes. Furthermore, the Georgian government began normalising the relations with Russia when they lifted the sanctins and re-introduced air travel between the two countries last year. This law is relatively insignificant compared to what was happening over the past year, but people get deluded that this is a break-even point because of the protests (there are always protests when authorities clamp down on the NGO sector, but that doesn’t imply any greater significance).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    just cos we haven’t done it before doesn’t mean we don’t do it now Ion.want.uu (talk) 15:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support It's notable enough, especially with the EU and USA reaction. Should the bill pass, which it looks like GD will do everything in their power to do so, then that effectively scuttles any and all chances of Georgia approaching the west or having friendly relations with the EU, which has stated this will kill their EU membership bid, and the US said if it passes it will warrant sanctions on Georgian leadership. Scu ba (talk) 05:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The article is pretty hard to read, grammatically, narratively and organizationally. Longer than it has to be, too. I don't think many people going in without a prior understanding of the plot are going to leave with one, either, just "plenty of snippets" and disjointed parablocks (chunky pseudographs). InedibleHulk (talk) 09:52, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The article is a mess, and the update given by the blurb is a whole two sentences. The bill itself likely needs to be its own thing from the protests, and that's going to be a lot of work. --Masem (t) 12:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality and it's just a domestic thing, not really ITN worthy (maybe good for ongoing though for the protests?) Sharrdx (talk) 13:05, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ongoing means there would be several blurb-worthy (or close to blurb-worthy) updates, so that's an even higher bar to clear. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:16, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability, oppose on quality Very much in the news, I feel like I've been seeing an endless stream of new articles about it even though Georgia isn't exactly a country I'd expect to see nonstop news about. It definitely has major geopolitical implications, but I'd also like to remind some editors that it also doesn't need to in order to be notable enough for ITN. As for quality: the page isn't unsalvageable, but it definitely needs some work. It doesn't take a lot of skimming to find some confusingly written sentences that were probably translated very roughly from Georgian. I'd say most of the article is okay (or at least intelligible) but I'd like to see some improvements made before posting.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 18:07, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality as the article needs work for readability. Support on notability, but oppose current blurb - IMO the protests should be the focus, not the law itself. The Kip (contribs) 01:12, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:33, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Re-opened the consensus currently is that notability is supported but quality is opposed; I cannot see why this nomination should be closed when there is chance this can be improved still. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:27, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) People's Majlis

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WP:SNOW close. (non-admin closure) 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 09:11, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: People's Majlis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Members of the 20th Parliament of the Maldives take oath of office and Abdul Raheem Abdulla elected speaker (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Members of the 20th Parliament of the Maldives take oath of office and Abdul Raheem Abdulla, Special Advisor to the President elected speaker
News source(s): Edition, Sun, Sun, Avas, Majlis, Adhadhu
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The parliament with most members in the Maldivian history with an amount of 93 and People's National Congress has a super majority with 75 members making an history. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 08:38, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Masem. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 19:00, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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May 27

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(Posted) RD: Alan Choe

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Article: Alan Choe (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Straits Times (Singapore)
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Singaporean architect and urban planner. Ktin (talk) 20:40, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support there are no apparent issues wit the article. PrinceofPunjabTALK 02:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Elizabeth MacRae

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News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
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American actress. 240F:7A:6253:1:E4DF:C268:98B6:EDE2 (talk) 02:50, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bette Nash

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Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, BBC News
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World's longest serving flight attendent. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 17:47, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bill Walton

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Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
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May 26

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(Posted) RD: Hugues Gall

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Article: Hugues Gall (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): theviolinchannel
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Influential director of the Paris Opera, with an obit from the President. The article was there with many names of other positions. It has now music, but I couldn't find refs for all these many other positions, - commented out. The Paris Opera was key. Additions and corrections by native speakers of French might help. I noticed his death on 27 May. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support As usual, the article looks great. Ready to go. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Richard Mazza

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Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): VT Digger
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Vermont politician. Obituary published 26 May. Thriley (talk) 03:27, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Indy 500

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Article: 2024 Indianapolis 500 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Indy car racing, Josef Newgarden wins the Indianapolis 500 (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In auto racing, Josef Newgarden wins the Indianapolis 500 for the second year in a row, becoming the 6th ever driver to do so.
News source(s): CNN
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Josef Newgarden, once again wins the Indy 500, I didn't watch the race, apparently another last lap pass? But, he gets it 2 in a row. Altblurb is for if we should mention it. User:TheBlueSkyClub (Talk) 00:30, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak support Would like to see more expansive sourcing in the "Summary" bullets, rather than just one tag at the end of the paragraph(s), but otherwise seems good to go. Good amount of prose regarding the race itself. The Kip (contribs) 05:20, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support looks good enough, decent summary of the race and all the other preceding action, and more than good enough sourcing. Joseph2302 (talk) 06:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article is very extensive and is in a great shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:57, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support alternate blurb as it seems relevant to mention he got two in a row. Tableguy28 (talk) 19:37, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 IIHF World Championship

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Article: 2024 IIHF World Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Czechia has won 2024 IIHF World Championship that took place in Prague and Ostrava. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In ice hockey, Czechia defeats Switzerland to win the gold medal at the 2024 IIHF World Championship.
News source(s): IIHF, AP News, The Boston Globe, TSN, Forbes, Radio Prague International
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Martin Tauchman (talk) 21:40, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support on notability I think the event is of importance but Oppose on quality as the article has very little prose. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:56, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability haven’t seen the article event but any international sports event is INTR imo Ion.want.uu (talk) 15:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I thought this event was an ITNR item, but it isn't listed there. Was it removed at some point recently? Unfortunately the article is nowhere near a postable state, it's overwhelmingly tables with very little prose. Needs substantial expansion. Modest Genius talk 15:35, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As a quick note: an event that is not listed as INTR but falls within the field of other events on ITNR can still be considered as a normal ITNC entry, though obviously, for example, we're not going to post every regional assc. football championship. As ice hockey tends to be less frequent, I could see a normal ITNC argument here. But of course, as you point out, the article itself doesn't meet quality issues. Masem (t) 16:26, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I am aware of how ITNR works: just because this isn't currently on the list doesn't mean we can't post it. My question arose because I seemed to remember that the IIHF World Championship was on the ITNR list. I did some digging in the archives and discovered it was removed just last year, largely because multiple years of articles weren't of postable quality. Unfortunately that appears to be the same problem again this year. Modest Genius talk 16:35, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No worries, I read your diff on your comment above and was making sure not to discourage non-ITNR entries like this. Masem (t) 16:40, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Seems like it was in March 2023. [6] ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  22:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Lithuanian presidential election

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Article: 2024 Lithuanian presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Gitanas Nausėda (pictured) is re-elected president of Lithuania. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 19:17, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comprehensive enough. Bremps... 23:56, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Major enough of an event to warrant entry. Scu ba (talk) 03:44, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's ITN/R. Abcmaxx (talk) 05:54, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article is in a good shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Indian Premier League final

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Article: 2024 Indian Premier League final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In cricket, Kolkata Knight Riders defeat Sunrisers Hyderabad to win the 2024 Indian Premier League final (player of the final Mitchell Starc pictured) (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the Indian Premier League, Kolkata Knight Riders defeat Sunrisers Hyderabad to win the finals (player of the final Mitchell Starc pictured)
News source(s): NDTV
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Congrats to KKR. ITNR event. Ktin (talk) 18:51, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose article text on the match is sourced solely to a scorecard. The nested tables violate MOS:ACCESS and the colour schemes of the table violates WP:COLOUR (and not enough contrast between black text and green colours). Background section also needs some more sources, and more context to explain each team's route to the final. Also bunch of WP:WEASEL words in the match summaries (thus causing an orange tag to be appropriate). Parent article is also junk with no decent text, and we shouldn't really be encouraging people to create a final article that's just slightly less junk just so they can post it here. And image in infobox is possibly not a valid fair use. All in all , way short of WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:04, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I have fixed the weasel words issue, if any. Do not agree with most of the other assertions above. Ktin (talk) 21:08, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Tagging MNWiki845 as well. I think I have fixed the colors issues and the MOS access issues with nested tables. Good to go imo. Ktin (talk) 02:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Text is still sourced almost entirely to scorecards, better sources that actually verify the information in text should be used. Joseph2302 (talk) 06:46, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The sourcing/tables issues seem to have been fixed, and there's a good amount of descriptive prose for a sports article. The Kip (contribs) 05:18, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article look good to me but I'm not happy with both blurbs. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:51, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support I think this should be on the news section because this is quite an important event in the Indian Subcontinent and other parts of the world. This was also there last year, when CSK won the IPL, and it wasn't too bad. In fact, it made a few more cricket fans in the world. One thing, is that the blurbs have a lot of scope for improvement. SunnyMoon404 (talk) 18:50, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's ITN/R, so notability is assumed. The Kip (contribs) 19:06, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now. Still a few citations needed. Could do with an "Aftermath" section too, which is standard for sporting events, for reactions and suchlike.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:57, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Amakuru: thanks. I have fixed all the [citation needed] tags. None of the prior IPL finals (which we have posted) had aftermath sections. I have not introduced one such. e.g. 2023 2022 Ktin (talk) 22:13, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, it still ought to have one, that is part of the basic structure of a sporting final article and would certainly be required for a GA run and to be considered as covering all aspects of the topic... But I guess for the "minimum" standard of ITN it's OK. Striking my oppose and you can go ahead and post as far as I'm concerned. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 22:46, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 25

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RD: Albert S. Ruddy

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Article: Albert S. Ruddy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood, Los Angeles Times, CBS News, [7]
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Canadian-American film producer. 240F:7A:6253:1:E4DF:C268:98B6:EDE2 (talk) 00:31, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: A duplicate nomination of this article was previously created, the nominator's cmts were: Film/TV producer, announced on May 28. Needs sourcing work for the filmography and awards sections. Natg 19 (talk) 20:46, 29 May 2024 (UTC) * Did some sourcing but still needs more. Natg 19 (talk) 21:06, 29 May 2024 (UTC). Happily888 (talk) 02:53, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article is of high enough quality now after above ref additions for main page. It could use a few more sources, although it isn't missing too much to stop it from being posted on main page. Happily888 (talk) 01:12, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are a handful of {cn} tagged sentences in the prose. Most of the tabulated materials after the prose are unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 17:24, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Johnny Wactor

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Article: Johnny Wactor (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [8], [9], [10]
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 Happily888 (talk) 05:07, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose article is no way near ready to be posted. Article has 92 word long prose, of which nearly 45 words are about his death. Also, Filmography is unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 10:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are now 300+ words of prose, so this wikibio is now long enough to qualify, with footnotes in expected spots. However, the filmography tables appear to be unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 20:54, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cannes/Palme d'Or

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Blurb: ​ Anora, directed by Sean Baker, wins the Palme d'Or prize at the Cannes Film Festival. (Post)
News source(s): (Reuters)
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Article needs more prose and some other work. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:14, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support on notability for now but wait until some more work is done on the page, then I'll support it. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 10:08, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is WP:ITNR, so only consideration is article quality. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:09, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Richard M. Sherman

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News source(s): Yahoo
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American songwriter Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:58, 2024 May 25 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Grayson Murray

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Article: Grayson Murray (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
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Sudden death of a professional golfer. Natg 19 (talk) 20:05, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Confirmed suicide. Anyway, I support posting this tragic death. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 16:22, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article looks ready to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 10:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments: Can we have a sentence with footnote(s) in the main body of the prose on the date and place of birth, please? The info is in the infobox already and should be sourced in the main prose. Thanks. Also, the boxes above the "PGA Tour career summary" section need sources. Please add more REFs. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 04:48, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I added date and place of birth and place of death to the prose. It appears that Tewapack has referenced the tables. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for the additions. The tables on the results from the majors could use some sources, but it's just minor things. Posted, anyway. --PFHLai (talk) 11:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Canonisation of Carlo Acutis

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This will likely get support to be posted, however, as it has been correctly pointed out in the comments, the canonization has not yet happened, what happened was the second recognized miracle which is a prerequisite. Happy to renominate when the process concludes. --Tone 12:07, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Carlo Acutis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Carlo Acutis is canonised by Pope Francis, becoming the first millennial saint recognised by the Catholic Church (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Pope Francis recognises a second miracle attributed to Carlo Acutis and canonises him as the first millennial saint in the Catholic Church
Alternative blurb II: ​ Pope Francis starts the canonisation process to recognise Carlo Acutis as the first millennial saint
News source(s): Reuters,
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The first millennial saint made news worldwide, I'm more than happy to agree to any changes of the wording but I think this is newsworthy for ITN. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 07:05, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I think we should at least wait till he is officially canonized, as far as I understand, process has just started and the ceremony will take place later. Also, have we ever posted a canonization story before? PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:33, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We posted Pope John Paul II's in 2014. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: This is notable for being the first millennial, but has Acutis actually been canonised? It does not seem like it. Looking through the archives, the canonisations of the Martyrs of Otranto and Laura Montoya (first canonisations of Francis), Francisco and Jacinta Marto, Marie-Alphonsine Danil Ghattas, and Mariam Baouardy were not posted; canonisations of Mother Theresa, John XXIII, and John Paul II were posted. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 07:35, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'll 100% support this once it actually happens. That's what we did for John Paul II in 2014. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:03, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability but wait until canonisation has occurred, as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Qiu Weiliu

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Article: Qiu Weiliu (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [11]
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(Posted) RD: Destiny Deacon

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Article: Destiny Deacon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [12], [13]
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Article updated
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 Happily888 (talk) 00:30, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support An unfortunate amount of sources seem to be affiliated with the late artist but aren't claiming anything that would warrant doubt. This C-class article has a lot of one and two-sentence paragraphs, but the issue isn't bad enough to prevent main-page posting. Bremps... 02:16, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted—Bagumba (talk) 10:45, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Doug Ingle

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Not looking viable and fresher RDs could use the attention. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:22, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Doug Ingle (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rolling Stone
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Article updated
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It's the In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida guy; he was 78. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:01, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) Enga landslide

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Article: 2024 Enga landslide (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 100 people are killed in a landslide in Papua New Guinea's Enga Province. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At least 100 people are killed and 3,000 more remain buried by a landslide in Papua New Guinea's Enga Province.
Alternative blurb II: ​ At least four people are killed and three thousand presumed buried by a landslide in Papua New Guinea's Enga Province.
News source(s): ABC, Papua New Guinea Post-Courier, RNZ
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May want to wait until the death toll is a bit more settled (and the article lengthened), but reports are suggesting at least 100–300 and potentially up to 1,000 people were killed. The Kip (contribs) 17:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Admins willing to post ITN: , this has been marked ready for around seven hours - anyone willing to post? The Kip (contribs) 03:20, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll look into it. Schwede66 03:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted I'm surprised that nobody here commented on the article's lead; it was a complete mess. I had to rewrite that so that the original hook (which I've chosen) has any resemblance to what the lead says. It sounds like we'll be updating this item frequently as more info becomes available. Schwede66 03:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm more surprised that Wikipedia turned one hundred feared, presumed and suspected deaths into actual deaths. This wasn't good enough for one duck last May nor OK for one militant leader three Mays ago. A shitty lead is relatively normal. Still, though, thanks for cleaning it up. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:58, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks to Stephen for cleaning that up. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:04, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Kabosu (dog)

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Article: Kabosu (dog) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sky News, BBC, NYTimes
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Article updated
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The dog behind the Doge meme. No doubt famous enough but I'm not sure if the target article is problematic for RD because the subject is the meme. There's a section about the dog. Johndavies837 (talk) 07:56, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 23

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RD: John Boardman

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Article: John Boardman (art historian) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [14]
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 Happily888 (talk) 15:26, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support: a huge name in his field: search his name on Twitter and you'll find just about anyone who's anyone in Classics mentioning and mourning his passing. Article is in a reasonable state, certainly not a problem for the front page. UndercoverClassicist T·C 22:03, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The intro needs more than a single sentence. The middle paragraph of the Career section needs footnotes after the first sentence. The list of publications needs sources. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 04:41, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ángeles Flórez Peón "Maricuela"

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Article: Ángeles Flórez Peón (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El País
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Considered the last female socialist militant and, apparently, one of the last of the veterans of the Spanish Civil War. Her article is not long, but I think it is long enough to be posted. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article is in a good shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 10:04, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Needs Attention) RD: Caleb Carr

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Article: Caleb Carr (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
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Well known American author. The article needs some work but is not in dreadful shape. (The Alienist may be the best work of historical fiction I've ever read.) Ad Orientem (talk) 21:15, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as the nominator said, article needs some work. Publication section needs more sourcing and the career sections needs to be divided into multiple subsections. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:38, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I and others have done some extensive copyediting and sourcing. All of his works appear to be now sourced either in the tables directly or are already cited in the body of the article. Also, I've broken up the career section into three subsections for easier navigation per the suggestion by PrinceofPunjab. I did add a single CN tag for a claim that I could not find the source. But the claim doesn't strike me as controversial, and I don't think that's enough to stop posting. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:57, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neither date of birth nor place of birth appear to be referenced. Schwede66 07:12, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Morgan Spurlock

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Article: Morgan Spurlock (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, LA Times
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Article updated
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American documentary filmmaker and television producer. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 15:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support given his critical acclaim on his documentaries. Lunsel (talk) 15:49, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: the lack of sources across various sections is a concern, but he's definitely notable enough, and the article is generally in good shape. Oltrepier (talk) 16:54, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Super Size me was huge at the time, it was nominated for an Academy Award, and it actually impacted the fast food industry. Harizotoh9 (talk) 18:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've made improvements to the article's sourcing, and it no longer has any citation needed tags. Anyone else is free to make improvements to the article. Harizotoh9 (talk) 01:00, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Still a couple CN tags and the tables at the bottom are completely unsourced.-Ad Orientem (talk) 01:46, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TDKR Chicago 101 and @Ad Orientem, I cited most of the table. Give the article a look now. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 06:50, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support There's still ten unsourced entries in the filmography section, but overall the article quality has improved. Support Three unsourced listings in filmography should make the article good enough for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support No more CN tags (having assisted a little myself) and the article looks in good shape. Looks ready for Lord Morgan Spurlock to run on ITN. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 06:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support filmography section still needs few more sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:40, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Rolf-Ernst Breuer

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Article: Rolf-Ernst Breuer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SZ (in German)
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The banker who made Deutsche Bank international, but made the mistake of one sentence about a customer. Had no article until he died. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:16, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article has the mild sin of not having more sections but that's nothing serious. This is of main-page quality. Bremps... 02:20, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Darryl Hickman

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Article: Darryl Hickman (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Hollywood Reporter
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American actor.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose filmography is unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • In prose, info on parents and grandparents need sources. IMDb needs to be replaced as REFs. Filmography has remained unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 12:06, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Charlie Colin

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Article: Charlie Colin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rolling Stone, BBC
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Founding member of Train. 240F:7A:6253:1:9055:DE03:C73E:1FC (talk) 16:00, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose-the article cited unreliable sources WANGYIFAN2024 (talk) 04:28, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
':Oppose-As an American musician, there is not enough information about him, and I think it is difficult to consider it a popular topic.Choisieon11:28, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The popularity of the topic isn't a criterion for RD. It's a biographical article that's not a stub, so if it was in appropriate condition to post, it should be posted at RD. However, as noted above, it's not currently in that condition. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose two major orange tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:42, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) San Pedro Garza García stage collapse

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Article: San Pedro Garza García stage collapse (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least nine people are killed and sixty are injured in a stage collapse in San Pedro Garza García, Nuevo León, Mexico (Post)
News source(s): El País
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Oppose, tragic accident but no lasting notability. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 06:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – There's not much here, and I don't expect expanding the article will bring it to a level worth featuring. It's a tragedy that only really impacts the lives of the people involved directly. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. Estreyeria (talk) 15:57, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose literally just a bad accident and while there were deaths, something that really won't have any long term effects. Type of this were shouldn't be rushing to create articles for much less feature in ITN. Masem (t) 16:56, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above. The Kip (contribs) 20:40, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: How is this any different than any of the other crowd crushes, stampedes, nightclub fires, etc. that have been posted to ITN?  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 21:55, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Crushes and stampede usually have a lengthy investigation that determines the causes and steps to prevent in future.
      However, unless it's a major fire like the Grenfell building, most single commercial building fires like the nightclub one are not likely going to have a long term impact if coverage, and should not have been posted, much less have a standalone article, until proven otherwise. — Masem (t) 22:03, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I heard on BBC News that Mexico has started an investigation. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 05:04, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose--I don't think it is necessary to write articles about small-scale accidents.--SU YIQI (talk) 05:09, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support--I think it is necessary to appropriately select some smaller-scale articles, such as accidents, because the occurrence of accidents serves as a warning and prevention.--Yangpeifu (talk) 05:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not the job of Wikipedia in general, or ITN in particular, to provide warnings or prevention. (I find it curious that we have three users giving this as a rationale, which isn't usually brought up at all.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The last four votes above appear to all be from students of the same professor's courses (User:Hanyangprofessor2), which might explain the connection. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 21:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Chaotic Enby Indeed. See User:Hanyangprofessor2/Module/News - any suggestions on how to improve it are welcome. Piotrus at Hanyang| reply here 03:21, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per WP:NEWSEVENT, "Routine kinds of news events (including most crimes, accidents, deaths... – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance." See also Singapore Airlines Flight 321 which got much more coverage here but also seems quite routine. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:25, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose tragic accident but it does not appear to have any long lasting impact. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:49, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. WP:LASTING. If we take into consideration that the president of Mexico said in his omnipotence that no one is guilty, that the state's governor belongs to the same party that was sponsoring the event, that the state compensated those affected in cash and none has indicated they will file complaints, that civil protection is dependent on the state government, and that the party is already promoting newer events, this is unlikely to be relevant in the future. The "investigation" will conclude that the collapse was caused by the "unpredictable" weather and no one is liable as an act of God. This article is likely to be merged or deleted in the future into a more relevant article (most likely 2024 Mexican general election#Disasters) since the event will be occasionally remembered and is unlikely to develop beyond the investigation results. (CC) Tbhotch™ 01:13, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose And I'd also oppose the terrace collapse in Mallorca, but it probably says something that it and other similar accidents are not nominated. Tragic, but "routine" in the sense that it's 'just' a common accident, there is no underlying news story - no extremist sect destroying buildings, probably no corruption in the construction industry, nothing malicious. It's a human interest story of the tragic death variety, but stories like this should be considered not inherently suitable for ITN unless shown otherwise. RIP of course. Kingsif (talk) 03:04, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: David Wilkie (swimmer)

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Article: David Wilkie (swimmer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:18, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Recognition of Palestine by Ireland, Norway and Spain

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Consensus to post not likely to develop. Come back on the 28th and try again. -- KTC (talk) 18:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: International recognition of the State of Palestine (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The governments of Norway, Ireland, and Spain announce they will recognise the State of Palestine as a sovereign state. In response, Israel recalls several of its ambassadors to these countries. (Post)
News source(s): (BBC News). (The Journal)
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Taken from Current Events of May 22. Most European countries (especially within the EU) do not recognise Palestine so this is pretty significant. LynxesDesmond 🐈 (talk) 10:59, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) Artificial Intelligence Act

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Article: Artificial Intelligence Act (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The European Union passes its Artificial Intelligence Act which will register and restrict AIs with high and unacceptable risk levels. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The European Union passes the Artificial Intelligence Act, to regulate artificial intelligence it regards as being risky
Alternative blurb II: ​ EU approves landmark Artificial Intelligence Act
News source(s): CNBC, DW, Reuters,
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In December, it was agreed to post this when the Act was passed and the Council of Ministers has now done this. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:34, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support as previously agreed Ion.want.uu (talk) 16:24, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pull. This has no relevance whatsoever. It's not on the front page of BBC Europe (https://www.bbc.com/news/world/europe), RFE (https://www.rferl.org/), RTE (https://www.rte.ie/news/), FAZ (https://www.faz.net/aktuell/), DW (https://www.dw.com/en/europe/s-1433), nor Al Jazeera (https://www.aljazeera.com/europe/). This seems like a completely minor event and barely worthy of a blurb. And besides, such a law has no immediate significance anyway like a law on gay marriage or something so prescient. This was a mistake to post. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 13:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that maybe some news sources dont emphasize this doesn't mean that it's unimportant, but the fact that basically no news source that I could think of that covers Europe is even announcing it even on the margins of their front page, shows you there is a broad consensus that this is not that prescient and important to emphasize. This event is, essentially, not actually in the news. If anything, it's dwarfed by NVIDIA's earnings report yesterday. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 13:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, 'prescient' is the wrong word - I meant 'salient'. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 13:13, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This hasn't even been mentioned in the EU's Featured News section (https://european-union.europa.eu/news-and-events/news-and-stories_en). This clearly isn't even a big deal to the EU. It does appear on (currently) the third page of "Latest news from EU institutions and bodies" (https://european-union.europa.eu/news-and-events/press-releases_en?page=2) - but when you go to the linked EDPS (European Data Protection Supervisor)'s website, you find it's not even the most important thing to that department: https://www.edps.europa.eu/_en. Basically, it's not even, in any sense relevant to an "In the News" wikipedia section, in the news coming directly from the EU authorities. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 13:12, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull Never mind what outside news coverage looks like, our own article doesn't give any indication that there's anything at all significant about this legislation. The fact that the "Reactions" section looks like this tells me that either this is simply not notable on a Main Page level or that our article is severely lacking in explaining why it in fact is. Either way, it should not be in ITN at this stage. I would also disagree with the characterization of the previous discussion as "agree[ment] to post this when the Act was passed" - only one person active in that discussion said we should definitely post it if it passes, two said some version of we should discuss again if it does, and everyone else just vaguely said "wait." -Elmer Clark (talk) 03:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The contents of the article are well established. and as per above.
Hkm5420 (talk) 04:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Meh Seems like a classic case of mob mentality, based on nothing but collective suspicion of this being the right thing to do. Objectively, though, it was eight in a row, then four in a row, interrupted only by a meager double. By my count and understanding of nominations, the Ayes have it. As a subjectively honest man, though, misleading people with a false premise this way feels like cheating. There's no rule against it, though, so no reason to disqualify what's done (maybe just don't let it happen again?). InedibleHulk (talk) 10:54, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Gordon Bell

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Article: Gordon Bell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Ars Tech
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major contributor to early mainframe computer development and established the computer history museum. Death was on 17tg but only announced on 21st. Article missing lots of references. Masem (t) 13:40, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

oppose Your article has a lot of unsubstantiated material and quotes in it, and most of the content in the article is unsourced. CHENG SHIYI (talk) 05:04, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Paul Parkman

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Article: Paul Parkman (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): The New York Times, The Washington Post
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American physician who helped develop the rubella vaccine. ForsythiaJo (talk) 00:15, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Milei-Sánchez diplomatic crisis

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Consensus against posting.—Bagumba (talk) 03:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Argentina–Spain relations (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Prime Minister of Spain Pedro Sánchez removes its ambassador from Argentina after a diplomatic crisis with president Javier Milei. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
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The dispute itself is almost irrelevant (Sanchez says X about Milei, Milei says Y about Sanchez, and it goes on like that) but it has escalated quickly. Cambalachero (talk) 19:45, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment what are the precedents for posting diplomatic feuds? IIRC, the Ecuador-Mexico dispute wasn't posted despite the high escalation to breaking into an embassy. Nor was Colombia cutting off from Israel posted, as that was seen as just another page in the Middle Eastern conflict. Those examples also show this is far from the most dramatic news in South American diplomacy this year. Unknown Temptation (talk) 22:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, Ecuador-Mexico was posted: [15] Natg 19 (talk) 00:22, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Natg. In response to Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez's dismissal of his ambassador to Argentina following a dispute with Argentine President Javier Milei, I don't think it rises to the level of larger national relations. Moreover, the person concerned has also stated that he does not want the matter to affect relations between countries. So I think that this element is of relatively low importance.Zhuo1221 (talk) 04:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Opposition. The impact of the incident is not enough, although the replacement of personnel will not escalate to affect international relations.Liangyiqiao2004 (talk) 05:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Jan A. P. Kaczmarek

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Article: Jan A. P. Kaczmarek (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Deadline Hollywood, Variety
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Polish composer. 240F:7A:6253:1:F9E2:9586:9635:4621 (talk) 16:57, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Sharkey Ward

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Article: Sharkey Ward (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): The Times
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"Rear-Admiral Sandy Woodward said that if Ward had not disobeyed orders, Britain would have lost the Falklands Islands"

— The Times

Andrew🐉(talk) 16:34, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose .This article does not qualify as WP:ITNQUALITY because he has no confirmation of death from a reliable source and according to the commenters' consensus, the article is not of sufficient quality to be posted on the homepage. Hhhlx (talk) 04:43, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, the article has massive quality issues, but:
he has no confirmation of death from a reliable source
Huh? The obituary is from The Times, which is considered reliable. The Kip (contribs) 17:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OpposeThe article is good, but there are too few quotes to support the truth of the articleAYAO32269 (talk) 04:44, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Karl-Heinz Schnellinger

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Article: Karl-Heinz Schnellinger (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): La Gazzetta dello Sport, Il Post, Die Zeit, Süddeutsche Zeitung, The Times of India
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A pretty well-known name for Italian and German football fans, he was mainly notable for being one of the few players who featured in four FIFA World Cups, as well as the man who managed to score his only international goal in the so-called "Game of the Century". Oltrepier (talk) 20:26, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Article is in good shape. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 18:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Democratic Republic of the Congo coup attempt

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Article: 2024 Democratic Republic of the Congo coup attempt (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A coup d'état by the United Congolese Party was foiled in the Democratic Republic of the Congo resulting in the death of the party's founder and leader Christian Malanga. (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press
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Part of the wider recent African coup belt, an attempted coup by the United Congolese Party was foiled, resulting in the party's leader Christian Malanga being killed, as well as American and British mercenaries being detained. Scu ba (talk) 23:17, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

From that link I can see this is the first attempted coup in Congo, so unless you amend the definition of "coup belt" to include Congo, this is not common. Banedon (talk) 03:10, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The map, sure, but the article notes that the "Coup Belt" region is commonly defined as both west and central Africa. The Kip (contribs) 03:22, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article also lists seven countries in the infobox, none of which include Congo. Are you defining "coup belt" to be all countries in Western and Central Africa now, regardless of whether they've had any coups in the past? Banedon (talk) 03:36, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait on RD I scanned the story for "would", "-wards" and "wever", found one. It's better now (as is a common noun). But the level of tagbombing and plausible misinformation down there could (currently) make a grown historian cry. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:45, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And by story, I mean all the crap in Christian Malanga exclusively. An altblurb without that attached might do. No promises, though. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:52, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Banedon. Since we posted 2016 Turkish coup attempt, which also seemed also rather flash-in-the-pan, then it seems like we ought to post this. The DRC/Zaire has had its share of problems over the years, but coups there are rare and this is still a major issue and has been covered internationally. A decent enough article at first glance too.  — Amakuru (talk) 06:20, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That was 8 years ago. Just because we posted something similar once doesn't mean we must always do so for ever more. Also, the Turkish one lasted much longer, with more casualties, in more locations, involving more participants etc. etc. -- KTC (talk) 07:35, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - flash in the pan. A non-successful coup attempt can be significant enough to post, but there's bearly anything here. A guy got a few dozens people with him and attempted an arm intrusion in a couple of places that were quickly foiled, and got killed in the process. The army wasn't with him, the police wasn't with him, ... It was over before people even woke up. -- KTC (talk) 07:35, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This was so feeble that it seems that it was either a delusional gamble or it was instigated by an agent provocateur to prop up Tshisekedi's shaky regime. As the DRC has had ongoing armed conflict for years, killing thousands and displacing millions, this incident needs more clarity and context. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:51, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I don't understands how this was anymore feeble than Trump's Capitol storming attempt. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:52, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait on RD, oppose coup post unfortunately too common in the Western and central African reigons, and the attempted coup happened very briefly. We very rarely post coup attempts and only when they are significant. Move to SNOW close. Ion.want.uu (talk) 18:18, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    in no way this is a WP:SNOW given there are several support votes and the discussion is still ongoing. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Any coup attempts is notable for ITN as long as the article is in good shape, which it is in this case. I think with the fact that a major party leader in the nation was also killed in the coup attempt also makes it a bit different than the others in my book. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:04, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    He wasn't a major party leader in the nation, for the most part. He lived in America. The UCP never won a seat, even there. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:13, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose. Minor attack which fizzled out before posing any serious threat to the government. Most media attention seems to be focussing on the fact that three plotters were dual US citizens, not the implications for the DRC or regional politics. Admittedly there were deaths on both sides, hence only a weak !vote. Modest Genius talk 11:19, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It's well organized according to the order of progress. However, one source says incorrect(reference 2), so it needs to be corrected.
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(Posted) RD: Ivan Boesky

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The original 1980s Wall Street super villain. "Greed is good." Unusually, I think the article is in fairly decent shape. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:20, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Fernando Martínez Castellano

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Article: Fernando Martínez Castellano (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Las Provincias
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Coincidentally, I created this article very recently to complete the navbox of mayors of Valencia, having put it off for a while due to a lack of accessible sources. Not a very long article (the man served for a few months then disappeared from public life) but not a stub. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:47, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jean-Claude Gaudin

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Article: Jean-Claude Gaudin (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Le Monde
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Former mayor of Marseilles. Currently translating parts from French Wikipedia to have a more complete article. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 10:16, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bishkek riots

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Article: 2024 Bishkek riots (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 29 foreign students, mainly from SWANA and South Asia, were injured in riots by an ethnic Kyrgyz mob in the Bishkek capital of Kyrgyzstan. (Post)
News source(s): CBS News, DW, Arab News, RFE/RL, ET,
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 Ainty Painty (talk) 05:15, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose for the same reason I opposed posting the mobbing of the plane that arrived in Dagestan, Russia from Israel. I don't think these events meet a notability threshold until people get killed or unless governments support them. And yes, I'd say the same if this happened in the USA or UK. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:51, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Unknown Temptation - these appear to be rather limited in scale, impact, and therefore notability. The Kip 20:26, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I would argue that large scale race riots are a rare and notable occurance with large social and geo-political consequences. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:32, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Peder Falk

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News source(s): [17], [18]
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
  • Comments: Can we have a sentence with footnote(s) in the main body of the prose on the date and place of birth, please? The info is in the infobox already and should be sourced in the main prose. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 20:44, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @PFHLai: Agree. And done.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:14, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for adding. --PFHLai (talk) 15:46, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: IMO needs a good amount of copyediting (e.g. "In the late 1980s, he started to get roles in TV.-series and films. The film Svart gryning about the case of Dagmar Hagelin was the first[6][8]. TV-series like Fiendens fiende, Goltuppen and Nya tider would come next"; multiple TV series names are not italicized; the sentence "Falk was known for the role as cabinet secretary Peter Sorman in the show Fiendens fiende." lacks context and seems out of place as it's in between his birth and time at university without a year listed; etc.) and also lacks the 3-paragraph minimum for a standalone article. SpencerT•C 08:07, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • I gave this wikibio some copyediting and re-arranged the prose. Does this help? There are just a little more than 300 words of prose. Anything else to add? Anything from sv:Peder Falk? Was Svart gryning his first film role? sv:Peder Falk is showing earlier films. Please verify. I have no access to the REF (paywalled). Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 15:46, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: James L. Greenfield

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Article: James L. Greenfield (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Thriley (talk) 23:15, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

oppose Your article has a lot of unsubstantiated material and quotes in it, and most of the content in the article is unsourced. WYRRRR (talk) 05:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Almost there, 2 CN tags remaining. Bremps... 23:57, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 PGA Championship

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Article: 2024 PGA Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In golf, Xander Schauffele wins the PGA Championship. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In golf, Xander Schauffele wins the PGA Championship while setting a major tournament scoring record.
News source(s): The Guardian
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Altblurb if we want to highlight the major scoring record, although I know conventionally we tend to simply state the winner of these events. rawmustard (talk) 13:40, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support when ready, but Oppose for bad article and lack of organization in it Sharrdx (talk) 16:18, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the article contains too many complex details and table contents, which may only arouse the interest of specific audiences and be difficult to understand.TMXX0818 (talk) 04:25, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jim Otto

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Article: Jim Otto (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TimeNew York Times
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Needs Work.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 07:03, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[ATTENTION REQUIRED] 2023–24 Premier League

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Article: 2023–24 Premier League (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Manchester City, the defending champions, win their fourth consecutive Premier League title. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Manchester City win their fourth consecutive Premier League title.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In association football, Manchester City win the Premier League.
Alternative blurb III: ​ In association football, the Premier League season concludes with Manchester City as champions.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ In association football, Manchester City win the Premier League, while their rivals Manchester United win the FA Cup, beating City in the final.
News source(s): The Guardian
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Man City win the Premier League.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Alt2 article appears ready to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:21, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Summary section looks like WP:PROSELINE but that'll definitely not prevent this from being posted. There is no update on the final day though; the last update was about Brighton firing their manager, and Aston Villa being better than Manchester United (LOL). Howard the Duck (talk) 09:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not ready. The article is a bit underwhelming - mostly tables - but the 'summary' section does have enough prose to meet our minimum requirements. However it has not been updated to reflect the final outcome, with only the lead (and table) bothering to explain who won! That should be an easy fix. I've also added alt3, which follows our normal style; note that 'English' is not part of the league's name. Modest Genius talk 12:21, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There has been little improvement to the article in the last 24 hours, still not ready. Modest Genius talk 11:50, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Alt2 when ready As said before article is underwhelming but it's a good nomination. Sharrdx (talk) 13:09, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Raisi helicopter accident

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Article: 2024 Varzaqan helicopter crash (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  In Iran, a helicopter crashes carrying president Ebrahim Raisi and foreign minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A helicopter carrying president Ebrahim Raisi and foreign minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian crashes near Varzaqan in northwestern Iran.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In Iran, a helicopter carrying president Ebrahim Raisi, foreign minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian, provincial governor-general Malek Rahmati, religious leader Mohammad Ali Ale-Hashem, and 5 other individuals crashes near Varzaqan, killing all on board; Mohammad Mokhber succeeds Raisi as president in an acting capacity.[citation needed]
Alternative blurb III: ​ Mohammad Mokhber becomes the acting[citation needed] president of Iran after a helicopter crash kills president Ebrahim Raisi, foreign minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian, and seven others.
News source(s): NYT, AP News, CNN
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominating since, even if they survive, the equivalent story in the U.S. would be notable enough to post. Davey2116 (talk) 14:38, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

if a helicopter carrying the PM of russia crashed it would be in ITN Lukt64 (talk) 14:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until Raisi's definitive condition is known. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 15:08, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, so we can have a consensus to post asap. Of course the story (and blurb) should be updated once we have more information, but it is already newsworthy as is. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 15:11, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is a very major news, although the status of the Iranian president isn't confirmed yet GodzillamanRor (talk) 15:12, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as it is currently on headlines Shadow4dark (talk) 15:17, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support A world leader may have just died, and is at least critically injured. Bremps... 15:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until we really (and officially) know what state the Iranian president is in. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:34, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Regardless of the outcome of the crash, reliable sources are reporting a potentially fatal accident involving a world leader has occurred. Would we wait to see if President Biden was reported deceased in a helicopter crash? Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:42, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yes, we would wait if that occurred. ITN is not a breaking news ticker, we want to report the best statement about a story so we wait. — Masem (t) 15:50, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support this is a very big news story. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:43, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support This will be notable regardless of the outcome. Johndavies837 (talk) 15:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support - Doesn't matter whether he dies or not, a plane crashing with a head of state in it is definitely notable enough Abo Yemen✉ 16:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait for now, Support if there are confirmed deaths Personisinsterest (talk) 16:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support - it's possible it could take a long time for his helicopter to be found under current conditions, meaning that if we wait until we know what state he is in, it could take many hours. The event is still ongoing even if he hasn't yet been found. GreatBritant (talk) 17:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait we need more details, as what people have said above.
TomMasterRealTALK 18:03, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support - For those saying 'once confirmed', I think it'll be too late. Iran has already suspended aerial operation due to the deteriorating weather, and rescue workers are saying that even if they somehow find the alive, the situation there is so bad they will really struggle to take them out.
Also the scale or impact of this crash is, in my opinion, comparatively massive; Iran is already preparing for Mohammad Mokhber to take charge.
Also to those who are saying 'not notable until somebody dies'- Fico isn't dead, then why was his news of being shot was in the blurb? Because he was (or still is) in the corner of the death (secondly, but firstly the incident was a shooting). If we compare, this may be not like that but the severity of this accident is now open and Raisi's whereabout is now totally unknown.
Another thing is, the accident also involved Foreign Minister Amir-Abdollahian and other senior officials, and as Iran is definitely passing a time with large gaps in the administration for a significant amount of time. Last but not least, it's about Iran. As the recent events in the Middleast unfolded, this type of incident is obviously notable and impactful. Zeeshan Y Tariq (talk) 18:06, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Obviously notable" - the bigger issue is that this is still breaking news and information is changing rapidly (re. Grauniad live blog just saying there has been contact with a pilot and a passenger, indicating this is probably not an 100% fatalities crash)... If this just turns out to have been a "hard landing" as was claimed initially, it wont have any lasting impact or notability (since thats not temporary). 2605:B100:D42:8915:E9E1:90FC:668F:7128 (talk) 18:12, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For your kind information the Red Crescent has said that there is no sign life in the copter.
Also just like I said, if the US President was missing for 1 hour I'm pretty sure it would've been included in the blurb. Raisi was already feared dead, and even no fatalities is caused a helicopter disappearance including the President, FM, Governors of a country like Iran is obviously obviously notable and I still adhere to my point. Zeeshan Y Tariq (talk) 03:38, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support—It's extremely notable (arguably, it's more notable than the Wagner Group plane crash and we put that in ITN almost immediately); plus, since there are have intergovernmental organizations preparing to provide support to locate the helicopter (or what's left of it), the fact that a head of state was involved in a "hard landing" incident is definitely something be mentioned in the ITN section. - MateoFrayo (talk) 18:17, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It's pretty clear the president is dead, listening to Al-Jazeera - who said they couldn't report this, without further confirmation but it's extremely grim news. Nfitz (talk) 18:23, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support but wait till we have a clearer picture of what's happened. This is Paul (talk) 18:26, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support now as with Fico we do not need to know everything regarding the outcome of an incident to post it. Blurbs can be updated if needed. The crash is the major international news story right now. —LukeSurl t c 18:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. And altblurb respectfully submitted (if Sunak's chopper were to go down, we'd give the name of nearest village in Surrey; ditto Marine One and the relevant unincorporated town in Nevada). Moscow Mule (talk) 20:24, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I like the altblurb, but having "Iran" only be all the way at the end might not be optimal. Although I don't see a clean way to have it before without repeating – using the province name East Azerbaijan would be more confusing and/or need Iran to be mentioned again. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 20:45, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Right? Had it been any other province (other than West Azerbaijan, of course)... Maybe gloss him as "Iranian president", to get the reference to the country in sooner? Moscow Mule (talk) 21:02, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:20, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I've also now updated the image. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting oppose We need to know whether he's alive. Oppose if he lived. Schierbecker (talk) 22:21, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Such an event (an helicopter crash involving a current president) is very uncommon. Dead or alive, this is definitely notable. Bedivere (talk) 22:23, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    He's been "missing" now for about 18 hours. Even if he's fine, then this is notable. When was the last time a world-leader went missing after an air-crash? Though given the various reports and imagery - he's clearly dead. Nfitz (talk) 22:31, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There is no policy basis for not posting just because one aspect of it is unknown. - Fuzheado | Talk 00:38, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull The latest BBC bulletin (23:32) says,

    World awaits more information from Iranian authorities (Sebastian Usher)
    The difficulty with reporting on an incident like this in Iran is that we are reliant on information being released by a number of semi-official news agencies.
    Those agencies don’t always speak with exactly the same voice. You will see officials quoted, but quite often those officials will be at odds in what they say.
    What we haven’t had, beyond some general reassurances from Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei, is a clear statement from the authorities of what they know in black and white.

    In the case of the Prigozhin crash, we waited about a day to post because of similar uncertainty. Per WP:RUMOR, "Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation, rumors, or presumptions." Andrew🐉(talk) 22:37, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We didn't post any of the uncertain information, just that the helicopter crashed, which no one actually doubts. The fate of people inside it is unknown, and that's why we haven't included it in the blurb. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 22:43, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ITN is governed by the policy that says it "serves to direct readers to articles that have been substantially updated to reflect recent or current events of wide interest." The blurb posting does that. WP:RUMOR is about the article itself, which is not in obvious violation of that guideline. - Fuzheado | Talk 00:45, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's half the guidelines for ITN (there is no ITN policy). The other half is article quality, of which an accident where the fates of the passengers are unknown is generally not yet of the quality due to the lack of missing information, even if everything up to date is sourced. Its why we generally wait for some type of finality on various topics before posting them. Even with the nature of one of the passengers being a very high level country official. That's why ITN is repeated stated not to be a news ticker. Masem (t) 00:49, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I stand by my comment. The line I quoted is the first sentence of WP:ITN and the most important one. The "quality" aspect is in the third paragraph. And the term "news ticker" does not show up at all. - Fuzheado | Talk 00:52, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    All three points must be met for posting, not a selective choice. — Masem (t) 01:08, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I cannot see how this makes logical sense, given the third contention ("news ticker") is not even mentioned in the guideline. As for point two, just because a situation has unknowns does not equate to an article about the situation being low "quality." And the actual guideline says "based on a consensus... using two main criteria," so I'm not sure where the idea that "all three points must be met" is coming from. - Fuzheado | Talk 01:20, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:RUMOR is about Wikipedia as a whole. See also WP:NOTNEWS which states that "breaking news should not be emphasized". Andrew🐉(talk) 07:02, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That is a very selective quoting of WP:NOTNEWS. That fragment is in the context of "enduring notability of persons and events" and is not general advice about excluding breaking news content simply because it is breaking news. In fact, when you consider the full sentence it reads quite differently and says: "breaking news should not be emphasized or otherwise treated differently from other information," which changes the meaning quite a bit. - Fuzheado | Talk 11:00, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The problem with breaking news is that it's likely to be wrong. And that's what happened here. Yesterday, we blurbed nine deaths and today we are blurbing eight. This is not a miracle; it was an error. Per the iron triangle, "Good, fast, cheap. Choose two." Andrew🐉(talk) 08:11, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note that I've tidied up the Hossein Amir-Abdollahian bio in case this is upgraded to a death, for which we would presumably bold that article. There was a whole bunch of uncited info in a list plus an orange tag; I've hidden the uncited content. I suggest that the Ebrahim Raisi bio is good enough should a bold link be required; there are three "citation needed" tags. Again, if there are concerns about that, we could instead hide the uncited content. Schwede66 23:14, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support Presumably if Joe Biden was in an aircraft that crashed, it would be posted (and likely very quickly), regardless of whether or not he survived. I don't see why it should be any different just because this crash relates to the president of another country. Chrisclear (talk) 03:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Death of someone who is/was current head of government is worthy of a blurb. Chrisclear (talk) 06:15, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Now we have CNN reporting no survivors [19], and now is the appropriate time to post. We want until we have a result like this, not questions about the state of the survivors, regardless of country. --Masem (t) 03:30, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Iranian media is reporting no survivors, though now the Red Crescent has reported that information as well. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 03:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If it were just Iranian media, we'd likely be a bit caution due to state media issues. CNN reporting what Iranian media are stating is far cleaner for this purpose. Masem (t) 03:52, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand your concern, Masem. We never questioned the state of survivors; we reported that a helicopter crashed with a president and foreign minister on board. Schwede66 03:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We are capable of communicating uncertainty in blurbs, as are the reliable sources that ITN theoretically tracks with. Moreover, there's no criterion in WP:ITNSIGNIF that says all questions need to be answered before a blurb is posted. I would love if people at ITN could stop making up their own personal criteria (unique to each person!) and instead either go by the written standards, make a proposal to change them, and/or accept that IAR is a thing that applies to ITN like every other area of the project. Ed [talk] [OMT] 05:38, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We've had unspoken standards that have been challenged by newer editors to the ITNR process not by proposed changes but aspects like this. Our basis in the past is to wait until we have a firm understanding from RSes about a topic, and not when the primary issue at play was still hanginig in the air for a short period. — Masem (t) 12:01, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If that's the standard you'd like to see, please propose adding it to ITNSIGNIF. Otherwise, it's not something ITN is bound by.
Also, per Schwede66 we did have a "firm understanding" of the topic here: a helicopter carrying a sitting president crashed. That is a story in and of itself. That we didn't know if that president was dead doesn't mean we didn't have enough to post. Same goes for posting Titan (submersible) before we knew if there were survivors, or for posting the attempted Wagner Group coup while it was in motion. Ed [talk] [OMT] 15:16, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support this is a very big news story.Iranian President Raisi has been confirmed dead. There are not many photos from the scene, and rescuers have said that some bodies are so badly burned they are unrecognizable. However, this is also strange—three helicopters were flying, but only this one crashed. If the weather was so bad, who insisted on taking off? Kikolipu (talk) 04:54, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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We might want to discuss an appropriate blurb first. Schwede66 03:54, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've been keeping an eye on this, anticipating that this would become a death blurb. But we do not yet have a formal announcement stating definitively that Raisi is dead. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:57, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If the death is confirmed, it seems by ITN/R we would also need to mention that Muhammad Mukhbar (or whomever Khamenei would appoint) is now the acting president. Also, I wonder if the other two wiki-notable people on board (Malek Rahmati and Mohammad Ali Ale-Hashem) should be included in the blurb, or do they just go in RD; I'd lean towards including them in the blurb. Davey2116 (talk) 04:03, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For all of those reasons, and particularly the absence of a formal statement that they are dead, we need to have a discussion here, rather than an admin just amending the blurb. Schwede66 04:05, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I note that the Muhammad Mukhbar article was moved a few hours ago, and I suspect that will be undone. It needs the eyes of those who speak Persian and know their way around naming conventions. Schwede66 04:08, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This would not be a blurb if the only people on board were the other two, and we have limited space with a lot else to cover, so I would lean against mentioning them. Sdkb talk 04:15, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Once an official announcement is made, I think that both the president and foreign minister should be mentioned in the blurb along with whoever assumes the position of acting president. Alas, I probably will not be the one to update the blurb as it is after midnight here and I need to get some sleep. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:20, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're not allowed to go to bed until Wikipedia is finished! Sdkb talk 04:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Iranian state media Mehr News says all aboard are dead. Reuters has quoted Mehr News and an Iranian government official. Jusdafax (talk) 04:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb 3- Best worded blurb at this time. Jusdafax (talk) 05:10, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note that "acting president" is an unreferenced statement. From what I've seen, it is expected that he will be acting president. Without a reliable source, this cannot be posted. Schwede66 05:35, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • The NYT has reported that "Iranian law stipulates that if the president dies, power is transferred to the first vice president and an election must be called within six months. The first vice president is Mohammad Mokhber, a conservative politician." But, that isn't the same thing as a formal transfer of power. Ed [talk] [OMT] 05:40, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      That may be so. But the acting part is still unreferenced in the target article. Schwede66 07:36, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment President of Iran is NOT an ITNR position (that's the Supreme Leader). So we don't need to worry about the succession issue, only the accident and deaths. --Masem (t) 11:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is not correct. The president of Iran IS an ITNR position. WP:In the news/Recurring items#Elections and heads of state and government says that "Changes in the holder of the office which administers the executive of their respective state/government" going on to note that these positions are listed at List of current heads of state and government. Not only is the President of Iran listed as Head of government, so is the First Vice President, the Chief Justice, and the Speaker of Parliament (someone might want to review the two non-presidential government heads after the vice-president). This is similar to the UK where the Prime Minister is listed, along with the King, and some other Commonwealth nations, where the Governor General is listed along with King and PM. Nfitz (talk) 20:03, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The holder of the officer that administers the executive branch in Iran is the Supreme Leader. "Unlike the executive in other countries, the president of Iran does not have full control over the government, which is ultimately under the direct control of the Supreme Leader." per our article on the office. That's why the Supreme Leader is marked in green, they're the key control of the country and whom ITNR recognizes. Masem (t) 01:37, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    He's the "key control" (head of state). They're the "triumvirate" (three-headed head of government). Above them all is God. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:11, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The president does not have full control of the executive, that is the Supreme Leader. The president is someone picked by the Supreme Leader to run the country under the S.L.'s directives (Raisi was considered to be next in line to be S.L. due to the current's age). So while the president may be the "head of state", they are not the person that "adminsters the executive" of Iran's government. — Masem (t) 12:07, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khameini, is the head of state. He is also one man, as opposed to them, the three heads of government. Mixing up pronouns isn't that bad, but now you've got the roles reversed, too. The head of state, as in Canada, doesn't touch the executive branch of the government. That's First Vice President Mohammad Mukhbar's job now. If we want to follow the standard ITNR rule, that means noting the change in executive administration to him from Raisi. When Khameini dies and is replaced, it won't be an ITNR deal. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:43, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We have (best that I can recall) always gone by considering only those cells that are in green on the list of leaders as the ones that meet the ITNR criteria for changes of the the exec office holder, as those are considered the most powerful position in that govt. Those in white or blue do not meet ITNR, though could still be considered a ITNC. Masem (t) 15:54, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's foolish to believe in a colour code not based on any reliable source when you have Government of Iran#Executive telling you in plain English that you're mistaken. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:02, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    From President of Iran "Unlike the executive in other countries, the president of Iran does not have full control over the government, which is ultimately under the direct control of the Supreme Leader." from Government of Iran "He is the highest nominally popularly elected official in Iran, although he answers to the Supreme Leader of Iran, who functions as the country's head of state.]]". President is primarily a symbolic position, the Supreme Leader holds the executive power. Masem (t) 16:31, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't know why you think we're arguing about who's more powerful overall. We're arguing about who administers the executive. It should have been clear to you from the third word in your first quote, but from Government of Iran#Executive, again: Chapter 9 (Articles 133–142) of the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Iran sets forth the qualifications for presidential candidates and procedures for election, as well as the powers and responsibilities as "functions of the executive". InedibleHulk (talk) 16:55, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    "Who's more powerful overall" definitely matters. The Premier of China Li Qiang is the head of government of China, but he has no power compared to Xi Jinping. So I agree with Masem that the president of Iran (head of government), a lesser figure in the politics of Iran compared to the Supreme Leader, is not ITNR. When Khameini dies and is replaced, it won't be an ITNR deal. - this is a grave misunderstanding of the politics of Iran, which is an authoritarian type of government. The purpose of the "green color code" is to define who is de facto in charge of administering the executive, and that person would qualify under the guidelines at ITNR. Natg 19 (talk) 17:19, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Do you know of an occasion when Khamenei exercised an executive power instead of or in spite of one of his presidents (beyond choosing them)? If so, that would convince me something de facto is afoot. Till then, I don't think I gravely misunderstand anything. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:46, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    [21][22] These news articles say that ultimate power rests in the Supreme Leader, not the president. Natg 19 (talk) 18:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Ultimate power over his mortal inferiors and toward foreigners, yes. Executive, legislative and judicial powers, no; he chooses to delegate these. If you ask him, he'll tell you God is his sovereign. God, in turn, despite this conceded higher power, doesn't sweat the mundane daily state or government affairs, just who'll next reign supreme on Earth (or so the Experts have it). InedibleHulk (talk) 18:33, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I am going to suggest we move this to the talk page. Masem (t) 19:41, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've boldly removed the rest of the Election Commission - I'm not sure if the VP should be shaded blue - it is constitutional isn't it?
  • Comment. Is it possible we can have a break in the discussion now? We've established notability has been met for the crash itself, but perhaps a separate discussion of if the presidential succession is warranted. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:54, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Probably link to death and state funeral like in others like Death and state funeral of Nestor Kirchner.37.252.94.207 (talk) 05:50, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Willi Brokmeier

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News source(s): BBC
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German tenor, light brilliant voice and acting talent, died at age 96 which was made public only two days ago - not remembered by many, it seems. - This was a DYK article, and I added some detail and dropped a lost ref. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:37, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Frank Ifield

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Australian musician.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:52, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Four {cn} tags remaining. Please add more REFs. And, the last few sentences in the Career section are not related to his career and may be better merged into the Personal life section. --PFHLai (talk) 01:06, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: John Koerner

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News source(s): The Guardian, Star Tribune
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American blues musician. gobonobo + c 18:02, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support the article looks okay to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:31, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Sourcing and article layout look fine. Jusdafax (talk) 04:56, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Tony O'Reilly

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Irish businessman and international rugby union player.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 05:02, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose a large number of cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:13, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Mark Wells

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News source(s): NHLDetroit Free Press
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Ice Hockey Player.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 04:45, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose pop culture and Career statistics sections are unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:14, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bruce Nordstrom

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News source(s): Seattle Times
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American billionaire businessman.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 04:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Improper external linking in the body along with uncited statements. Bremps... 16:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support one cn tag but otherwise okay article. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:16, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you Please take a look now.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:47, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Article could use a little more detail about his role at Nordstrom in the first 30 years; has a gap between the 60s and 90s. Some of the statements are a little vague/promotional leaning ("stores began to slowly turn around as the Nordstroms moved the focus back to employees" -- not sure what this means?) SpencerT•C 01:12, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Alice Stewart

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News source(s): AP News
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if successful, give credit to HistoryTheorist as it is her logged out due to temporary computer problems 50.47.223.9 (talk) 01:26, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk

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Article: Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Oleksandr Usyk defeats Tyson Fury for the unified heavyweight championship. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the Ring of Fire match, Oleksandr Usyk defeats Tyson Fury by split decision to become the first undisputed heavyweight boxing champion in 24 years.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In boxing, Oleksandr Usyk defeats Tyson Fury to become the first undisputed heavyweight champion with the WBA, WBC, IBF and WBO titles.
Alternative blurb III: ​ In boxing, Oleksandr Usyk defeats Tyson Fury to become the first undisputed heavyweight champion in 24 years.
News source(s): Sky Sports Yahoo News
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For the first time in 25 years Usyk wins the WBA, WBO, WBC and IBF world titles; Shadow4dark (talk) 00:22, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per above. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:45, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Narayanan Vaghul

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News source(s): Business Line (India) Economic Times
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Indian banker. RIP. Ktin (talk) 03:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks good enough to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:18, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted—Bagumba (talk) 16:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Kristie and Jeroen (aka Bou) began their relationship, marking the start of a significant personal milestone.

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RD: Bud Anderson

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News source(s): Vintage Aviation News
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– Muboshgu (talk) 16:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article appears in a good shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:19, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Fly high, king. Kodiak Blackjack (talk) • (contribs) 03:22, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
support! Because there are reliable enough sources, but perhaps some more introductions to the medals he received could be added. ZHANG0822ZH (talk) 05:05, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Pat Buckley (priest)

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News source(s): BBC
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Catholic bishop.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 02:43, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support the article looks ready to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 59th Academy of Country Music Awards

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Article: 59th Academy of Country Music Awards (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At the 59th Academy of Country Music, Lainey Wilson Wins Entertainer of the Year award. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
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Heatrave (talk) 13:07, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose less than 200 words of prose. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 13:46, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Not notable globally and fails ITNR. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 19:52, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not necessarily !voting in support, but an annual event like an awards show that happens not be listed on ITNR doesn't mean we cannot have it as a valid blurb. Just that one does have to demonstate where the significance of the event on the larger scale should be to post it (such as how The Game Awards have been handled in the last few years, not an assurance). I would agree that the Country Music Awards is far too niche given we already post the Grammys which had its own country music awards. — Masem (t) 21:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose reigonal at best Ion.want.uu (talk) 22:07, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose not that influential awards event and also article is in not a good state. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) 2024 Ulu Tiram police station attack

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Consensus to post not likely to develop. (non-admin closure) 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 15:41, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2024 Ulu Tiram police station attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An attack on a police station in Johor, Malaysia by a suspected Jemaah Islamiyah member had left 2 police officers and the perpetrator dead, and 1 officer injured. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera, Today
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A rare attack in this country. Last major activity by/of/on terrorists in the country was in 2015. See Terrorism in Malaysia#War on Terror and Islamic extremism. – robertsky (talk) 09:22, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above Ion.want.uu (talk) 14:30, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose it does not look like it will have long term implications. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Attack is not internationally significant enough to warrant an ITN post. Tofusaurus (talk) 15:37, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Jaye Robinson

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Article: Jaye Robinson (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/jaye-robinson-dead-1.7207554 https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/toronto-city-councillor-jaye-robinson-has-died-her-office-says/article_811bdf7c-144d-11ef-82c5-bf6c86d4587f.html
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Toronto City Councillor. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 13:17, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak Oppose Political career section is mostly election results without much about what Robinson accomplished in her role (outside of 1 sentence: "Alex Bozikovic, The Globe and Mail's architecture critic, described Jaye Robinson as "furiously anti-development".) SpencerT•C 01:08, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Dabney Coleman

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News source(s): NY Times
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Well known actor. Unfortunately the article suffers from the usual shortcoming in citations. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:24, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PrinceofPunjab: Could you please take another look now? Thanks. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 04:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article is ready now. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:19, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 New Caledonia unrest

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Article: 2024 New Caledonia unrest (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Protests break out in New Caledonia, a territory of France in the Pacific, over voting rights changes. (Post)
News source(s): NPR AP The Guardian
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Protests going on in New Caledonia. Not sure if the scale of the protests qualify for ITN. Natg 19 (talk) 20:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support the news is getting a lot of international attention. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:46, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional Support - Only getting larger and larger, riots have turned fatal, entire territory in chaos atm. Pretty major news. My only problem is that I don't think the article is quite good enough for an outline of the protests; only two paragraphs in the article are about the actual unrest. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:26, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Notable and article looks good. I assume It'll only grow more (the article, hopefully not the protests). ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 12:56, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. LiamKorda 16:43, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Proposal to edit the text to "Protests break out in New Caledonia, a French territory in the Pacific Ocean, over voting rights changes". Any of the phrases "Ocean", "in the Pacific Ocean", and "a French territory in the Pacific Ocean" could be removed and I would be okay with that. But mainly the point of the proposal is to separate the phrases "Protests break out" and "over voting rights changes" since I think the sentence sounds clearer that way. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 00:37, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Support change, also "a French territory" is more natural than "a territory of France". Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 07:51, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Breaking the protests and their subject into two clauses at opposite ends of a sentence doesn't flow well at all. Stephen 08:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah no. The current wording is much better than the way it was originally written in terms of flow. The "a territory of France" bit is arguably not even required, and readers should be able to get to the meat of what the hook is saying without stumbling over that I'm the middle.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:50, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You're right, we don't normally describe what or where a region is. Stephen 08:58, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) EU investigation of Meta Platforms

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Consensus to post is unlikely to develop.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:25, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Meta Platforms (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The European Commission has opened an investigation into Meta Platforms over concerns of child safety. (Post)
News source(s): BBC The Guardian AP News Yahoo! Finance
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--MtPenguinMonster (talk) 12:28, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The EU, the FTC, and others have investigations open against Meta and many other big tech firms over various practices. Should a significant finding and penalty come out of those, that would be the time to post, but not at the start of any such investigation. --Masem (t) 12:30, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose merely starting an investigation. If they're convicted of something, or get a huge fine, maybe we can reconsider. Also, the update to the article is one short sentence, giving no more information than is in the blurb, so even if this was important enough there wouldn't be enough encyclopaedic material to post in ITN. Modest Genius talk 12:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The BBC report says that it's not just Meta,

    A number of big tech firms are now under investigation for potential breaches of the EU's tough new Digital Services Act ... their algorithms, may stimulate behavioural addictions in children, as well as create so-called 'rabbit-hole effects'," the EU said announcing the investigation. Rabbit-hole effects refer to the propensity of algorithms, when a user looks at one piece of harmful content, to suggest more of the same.

    Sounds just like Wikipedia. I can give it up any time I want... Andrew🐉(talk) 15:00, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Please point to the algorithm that has been created in software by the WMF that suggests other pages to look at. We have curated links and See Alsos by editors but that's clearly not what EU is evaluating. — Masem (t) 16:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Not the level we require for ITN. BilboBeggins (talk) 15:22, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose maybe if it gets banned but not now Ion.want.uu (talk) 20:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:47, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Sumatra flash floods and cold lava

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Article: 2024 West Sumatra floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 62 people have died and 25 are missing after flooding and a lahar in Indonesia's West Sumatra province. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, BBC, NY Times, The Guardian, Al jazeera
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(Posted) RD: Eddie Gossage

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Article: Eddie Gossage (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Fort Worth Star-Telegram
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A longtime auto racing promoter from Texas who has recently died from cancer. Article recently promoted to GA. Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 03:18, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Katherine Porter

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News source(s): NY Times
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American artist. Obituary published 15 May. Thriley (talk) 14:30, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

almost ready Bibliography section needs just a bit more sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Done Please have a look at your convenience. Ktin (talk) 17:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article is ready now. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:20, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Darren Dutchyshen

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Article: Darren Dutchyshen (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): TSN, CBC, Yahoo
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Canadian sportscaster. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 21:33, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Kamla Beniwal

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News source(s): India Today, Times of India
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Governor of three different states in India, amongst many other things. Not ready yet (orange tags and citations needed), but it looks like editors are working on improving it. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 23:30, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose two orange tags and needs more sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:49, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Article has a lot of unsourced parts and neutrality is disputed. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:42, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Shooting of Robert Fico, Prime Minisiter of Slovakia

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Article: Attempted assassination of Robert Fico (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Prime Minister of Slovakia Robert Fico (pictured) is hospitalised after an assassination attempt (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Developing story, incident will likely have dedicated article soon. Robert Fico, the Prime Minister of Slovakia, was shot in what appears to be an attempted assassination. He has been hospitalised - at present his situation/prognosis is unclear. LukeSurl t c 13:57, 15 May 2024 (UTC) edit: changed target article to recently created Shooting of Robert Fico. --LukeSurl t c 14:36, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support on notability Regardless of what happens next, a prime minister getting shot is notable enough to blurb. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 14:00, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This incident is noticeable, because it is a head of government being shot, which should never happen, but is notable enough to blurb.
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Support on notability as the page isn't fully done yet but hopefully once more depth is added it's ready. A head of state or government getting shot is notable enough for a blurb. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 14:33, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait at least a few hours for details to emerge and a proper article to be written. We're not a breaking news service, an encyclopaedic article needs to be developed first. This absolutely merits a blurb, but the shooting was only an hour ago and we don't know the outcome yet, let alone the details of what happened and why. Modest Genius talk 14:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability but details are still emerging and article needs expansion. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:01, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait for a few hours then Support This is certainly making headlines but the article should probably be developed more before we add it.-FusionSub (talk) 16:17, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as it easily meets notability--a head of government being shot. But wait for the full details and any updates, as Fico is reportedly in a life-threatening condition. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 16:58, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment "what appears to be an assination attempt"... so is it an assination attempt?
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(Posted) RD: Gudrun Ure

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Article: Gudrun Ure (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Guardian
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Scottish actress best known for Super Gran. Article is a stub and needs expanding, which I shall make a start on now. Edit: better now, still a little short but there's enough there. Black Kite (talk) 13:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait until the page is expanded and more depth is added, then it'll be ready. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 14:37, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I can't see that there's an issue with this one now, so I've marked it ready. Black Kite (talk) 22:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2024 Russian Kharkiv Offensive

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Good faith nomination, however consensus is against posting at this time. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:00, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2024 Kharkiv offensive (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A second front opens in the Russo-Ukrainian War, as Russian forces invade Kharkiv Oblast. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A second front opens in the Russo-Ukrainian War, as Russian forces invade Kharkiv Oblast.
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Ok, I know, I know. This is ongoing, however the new Russian offensive is front-page news on almost every site. My main argument is that we posted events in the 2023 Ukrainian Summer Offensive, and this new Russian offensive has taken just as much land as Ukraine did last year, and is the first time a new front has opened since the invasion in 2022. It's a significant development in the conflict that warrants a blurb. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:14, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as what seems to be a major turning point in the conflict. I'll note that it has been argued by some to be a feint to divert Ukrainian resources from Donetsk, but the extent of the operation makes me doubt that. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 12:19, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Covered by ongoing, and it's too early to tell if this is going to be a major development. Now, if Kharkiv falls, I'd support that as a significant development. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support even if this is covered by ongoing it still is a major development. Lukt64 (talk) 13:35, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose because this is already covered by the ongoing item. I warned that such a major escalation that would warrant inclusion might happen one day when nominating the ongoing item for removal last year. It was better to remove then and re-post a blurb followed by a move to ongoing, but there was simply no support for it, so let it be as it is now.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:55, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now since although it is a major development and a turning point in the war, it is already covered in ongoing. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 14:36, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now. If the Russians capture Kharkiv, that would be worth a blurb. At present this is just the beginnings of a long-anticipated offensive (not a 'second front', given there are several already), so can be left to ongoing. Modest Genius talk 14:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose posting this will open a floodgate. Soon stories about ISreal-Gaza war will be nominated then there will arguments that this was nominated and there will some who will say this was different. So, in order to avoid that it is best to not post this. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:03, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think a new front in the war opening in Southern Lebanon, for example, would be very much blurb worthy. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:55, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose covered by ongoing. LiamKorda 16:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) PM of Singapore

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Articles: Lawrence Wong (talk · history · tag) and Lee Hsien Loong (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Lawrence Wong (pictured) becomes Prime Minister of Singapore following the resignation of Lee Hsien Loong (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Following the resignation of Lee Hsien Loong, Lawrence Wong (pictured) becomes Prime Minister of Singapore
Alternative blurb II: ​ After ruling for nearly twenty years, Lee Hsien Loong resigns and Lawrence Wong (pictured) becomes Prime Minister of Singapore
Alternative blurb III: ​ After nearly two decades, Lee Hsien Loong resigns as Prime Minister of Singapore, succeeded by Lawrence Wong (pictured)
Alternative blurb IV: ​ In Singapore, Lawrence Wong (pictured) becomes Prime Minister when Lee Hsien Loong retires.
Alternative blurb V: ​ Lawrence Wong (pictured) becomes Prime Minister of Singapore, succeeding Lee Hsien Loong, who becomes Senior Minister of Singapore.
Alternative blurb VI: ​ Lee Hsien Loong steps down after nearly 20 years as Prime Minister of Singapore, and is succeeded by Lawrence Wong (pictured).
News source(s): BBC, AP News, Reuters
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Could not quite figure out how to word this blurb in the best way. Lee Hsien Loong has ruled Singapore for nearly twenty years and his successor, Lawrence Wong, is taking over today. Figured highlighting both extensive articles because of the rare transfer of power in Singapore. --Classicwiki (talk) 04:47, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support blurb II , Important to note that Lee Hsien Loong has been in power for many years User:GodzillamanRor (talk) 14:30, 27 November 2024 UTC [refresh]
  • Support The articles seem ok. I've added a blurb with two features: mention Singapore at the outset, to establish the context. And use the word "retire" rather than "resign" as this change seems to be mainly age-related. Two other points which would be hard to fit in are that this seems to be the end of the Lee family political dynasty and that the succession seems to have been stage-managed rather than being an open election. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:34, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support ALT5 & ALT6 main, ALT1 & ALT2. Oppose any blurb with the "resigned/retired" wording (revised position, whatever Starship said below makes sense to me). S5A-0043Talk 08:10, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd also like to add that this should only be posted after 8PM Singapore Time (12 noon GMT+0/8AM EDT), as the swearing in will only be taking place at that time. S5A-0043Talk 08:13, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Officially sworn in: [23][24]. S5A-0043Talk 12:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Alt3 I find the Alt burb 3rd to most correct. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:55, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ALT6; Oppose ALT1, ALT2 and ALT4 - This one was very appropriate in context, compared to the other five. And I also agree on each other comments as well that PM Lee had not retired from politics either; it's just only becoming Senior Minister instead and had not ruled out of retirement. Also, congratulations to him as well, best wishes to him. Sculture65 (talk) 14:14, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment (also opposing ALT3 and original) - Resignation is not the right word either; if that was resignation, it refer to exiting the parliament or office, and it can be confusing to readers if that word was used without proper clarification. Step down is a more proper, appropriate verb in this case. Sculture65 (talk) 14:17, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment and suggestion - Just go with that ALT6 and with this point blurb, it was rather making more sense and proper. It also shows that PM Lee still remain as cabinet and MP and Lawrence Wong assuming PM-ship. I have to oppose original, ALT1, ALT2 and ALT3 (because of the word resignation), as well as ALT4 (again, PM Lee did not retire). ALT5 was a bit too long though. Sculture65 (talk) 14:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support ALT5 and ALT6 as they are the most appropriate in context. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 14:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT6 gets my vote. However, the next Singaporean general election (an ITN/R event as well) will be held no later than November 2025, which will be more significant than this change of leadership. – robertsky (talk) 16:33, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support with any of the blurbs CheetasOnMission (talk) 17:01, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Diane Deans

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Article: Diane Deans (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://ottawa.citynews.ca/2024/05/14/diane-deans-passes-away/ , https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/former-ottawa-city-councillor-diane-deans-dies-after-5-year-cancer-battle-1.6886892 , https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/diane-deans-who-sat-on-ottawa-city-council-for-28-years-has-died-1.7198785
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Ottawa City Councillor. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 21:50, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Nothing too important seems to be missing and all facts are cited. Bremps... 15:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Don Perlin

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Article: Don Perlin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://comicbook.com/comics/news/moon-knight-co-creator-don-perlin-dies-94/
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American comic book artist. Co-creator of Moon Knight, Bloodshot and others. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 22:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Netiporn Sanesangkhom

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Article: Netiporn Sanesangkhom (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Reuters, BBC
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Thai political activist. 240F:7A:6253:1:CC76:F38C:52DD:4499 (talk) 16:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please take a look.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 07:34, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted I have commented out an unreferenced controversial statement: "it is widely acknowledged in society that Section 112 has taken Bung’s life." Feel free to hunt down a ref for this and unhide it again. Schwede66 08:14, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Shirley Conran

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Article: Shirley Conran (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): BBC, Guardian
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Quite a big name in her day. I'd be suggesting a blurb but we don't have a free picture, alas. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:43, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Stephen:, I have referenced the works section. Given those additions, I support, because the article is now ready. FlipandFlopped ツ 13:03, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted RD) Blurb/RD: Alice Munro

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Article: Alice Munro (talk · history · tag)
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Blurb:  Canadian short story writer and Nobel laureate Alice Munro (pictured) dies at age 92 (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
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Awards and honours are largely unsourced. Mooonswimmer 16:29, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I have went through and cited most of them. I think the dates on one or two of them are wrong, and some sources contradict each other, but overall in much better shape. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 17:46, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article looks in good shape. I'll be bold to even suggest blurb support given how she "revolutionized" short stories and most of her obituaries describe her as a pioneer of short storytelling. I know she was in her 90s, but it appears she was at the top of field in terms of storytelling/short storytelling. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:07, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article looks good. Support blurb due to her Nobel Prize and significance as a short story writer, especially an Anglophone writer. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:30, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Simply being a Nobel winner is not sufficient for a blurb. There should be a significant amount of discussion on the article to demonstrate they were considered a great figure in their field. — Masem (t) 21:47, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      @Masem: Currently working on a legacy section that ideally would show how her works impacted the short story form. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      There is perhaps some parts under the Writing header that could be moved under the new Legacy section like the comparison to Chekhov. Masem (t) 04:32, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      Thanks for the note. Did just that. I'll try expanding her legacy/career sections some more, but I think the writing section covers parts where the career section doesn't. I'd like the idea to make the writing section a subsection of her career section, but not sure if it's the right move. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb We're not blurbing every Nobel prize winner. There's around, 10 per year? Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 22:20, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Chaotic Enby: From my perspective at least, I'm supporting a blurb not because she won a Nobel prize, but because of her impact in the short story writing field. She has been widely described as a master and influential figure in that field. Currently adding a legacy section to demonstrate this. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:30, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    She has 105 wiki pages, that is more than other Nobel laureates. BilboBeggins (talk) 07:09, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, but on quality For someone who is being suggested as a blurb, I'd expect a far more in-depth article than this - it's less than 2000 words of prose. That's not to deprecate the work that people have done on it today - that was great - but it's simply too thin. Her "Career" section is ridiculously short and writes off entire decades in a sentence. For example From the 1980s to 2012, Munro published a short-story collection at least once every four years. First versions of Munro's stories have appeared in journals such as The Atlantic Monthly, Grand Street, Harper's Magazine, Mademoiselle, The New Yorker, Narrative Magazine, and The Paris Review. Her collections have been translated into 13 languages That's it for 30 years? Black Kite (talk) 23:02, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Black Kite: I'll expand her career section, but (from what I think) the areas that aren't covered in the career section are covered in the writing section, hence me mulling making the writing section a subsection of the career section. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb per Black Kite. Why is this now a blurb nom? Because she's a Nobel laureate? Are we going to have blurb discussions for every Nobel laureate? We shouldn't. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:28, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    To be fair, my rationale for a blurb is not that she's a nobel winner, it's that (based on obits/commentary about her works/justifications for awards) describe her as a pioneer in short story telling with her works leveling her to top of her field in terms of a writer. That's why I support this nom being a blurb. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:44, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb - Top of her field, winner of numerous top prizes and honors (not just the Nobel), an iconic female writer… and now that TDKR Chicago has laudably expanded the legacy section, I get a much better idea of her importance and in ITN terms, “blurb-worthiness.” The ITN opposes leave me utterly unconvinced, and I’m with TDKR’s rebuttal above. Every obit I have seen mentions her major impact on the short story form and her substantial influence therein, giving a female point of view at a time when it was not a common phenomenon as well as in many of her works a Canadian perspective. Inclusive, of international interest, and highly worthy of a front page Wikipedia blurb in the ITN feature. To those on the fence, I suggest reading an obit or two. The NYT one is good as is this onein The Guardian. Jusdafax (talk) 01:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, got every writing award that exists. Top of the field. BilboBeggins (talk) 07:07, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb I'm usually hesitant about death blurbs for writers mostly due to the Nobel Prize hype, but Alice Munro was clearly a great and notable short-story writer with numerous notable awards won, yet definitely not at the level of Chekhov.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb. Blurbs are only for people of huge global significance like Thatcher or Mandela. Winning a Nobel prize is impressive, but there are far too many such to post them all when they pass away.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • RD Only Doesn't rise to the level of significance that warrants a blurb. Transformative in a somewhat niche field - short story writing, a subset of literature - but if everyone at this level of significance got a blurb, there would be a death blurb every few days. 1779Days (talk) 09:33, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Blurb I think she was clearly an influential writer and is blurb-worthy considering she is the first person to be awarded Nobel Prize exclusively for their short stories. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:59, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb - Surely being a Noble laureate alone is not sufficient cause to justify a blurb given the criteria we have established. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:45, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment @WaltCip: & @Amakuru:: My rationale (as stated in previous comments) for pushing for a blurb on this is not because she's a nobel winner. My rationale is because she is clearly an influential figure in her respective field, in this case the writing field of short stories. Her obits, as Jusdafax pointed out, highlight how much of a pioneer and "master" she was of short storytelling hence why I added the legacy section to reflect the impact she had. Recently we blurbed Peter Higgs, but from what I understood, we didn't blurb him because he was a nobel winner, but because he was at the top of his field. I felt that Higgs would've gotten blurbed with or without a nobel win, hence my reasoning behind Munro's nom. Sure it's a plus she got a nobel, but the impact her work had on the field of short storytelling would not have had a lesser impact has she not gotten the nobel. Take the time to read her legacy section and some obits like from the NYT, Guardian, BBC, CNN and you'll see why I'm nominating her. She has been regarded the top of her field and an influential writer at that. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:14, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think if you look back over the years, you'll see that being "top of the field" isn't really enough. Examples like Kirk Douglas and Vera Lynn, you could argue those guys were leading in their field and well known, but they were not blurbed. Blurbs are really the exception not the rule for exceptional high-profile cases, the default is to post in RD.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:34, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    So Munro shouldn't get blurbed because Douglas and Lynn didn't get blurbed? TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:17, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Munro, Douglas and Lynn shouldn't and didn't get blurbed because being "top of the field" isn't really enough. That Douglas and Lynn weren't blurbed first is just a matter of having been born first. Outstanding careers all around, but as far as death goes, the only noteworthy thing between them are 299 years of earlier work. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:59, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted RD, discussion can continue Stephen 00:04, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Cyril Wecht

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News source(s): CBS News
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American forensic pathologist.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 05:40, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose various cn tags and needs more sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:15, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Sushil Kumar Modi

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News source(s): The Indian Express
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Indian Politician.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 02:04, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose positions held section needs sourcing and there are some paragraphs ending without a footnote. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:14, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Samm-Art Williams

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News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter
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American actor and playwright. 240F:7A:6253:1:D5ED:1620:B68D:586C (talk) 01:46, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose multiple cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:13, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Birubala Rabha

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Indian Anti-witch hunting activist. Article looks ready to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 17:19, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Arthur Irving

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Canadian billionaire businessman who owned Irving Oil, a part of the family-owned conglomerate Irving Group of Companies. B3251 (talk) 18:10, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks good to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Removed) Remove Myanmar civil war from ongoing

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Article: Myanmar civil war (2021–present) (talk · history · tag)
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Insufficient updates to the main article for ongoing. Last 50 edits go back to April, no significant updates for May. Stephen 01:49, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mild support removal with regular review - The situation is rapidly changing, and I think there could be new developments in the future that make this notable again. But as of now, it's not being updated or covered enough to be ongoing. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Checking news sites now gives me multiple such as AP, and Al Jazeera which both have articles out about the conflict in the last week. While I agree that this has gotten significantly less coverage then other wars it is not quite ready to pull. I think that the lack of news coverage is due to overshadowing and english audiences not having interest. The conflict is a bit confusing for major sources to run regular stories on. We need to wait to make a decicion, though I agree that there needs to be disscussion on removing it. Normalman101 (talk) 15:12, 13 May 2024 (UTC) AP ALJ[reply]
Oppose article not getting update is a editing issue. Because otherwise the fighting is still very much going on. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Even if an event is ongoing, if no one is bothered to update our article, that is reason to remove from ongoing. — Masem (t) 20:22, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For an article to remain listed on ongoing, it must be being actively updated. That there is still fighting occurring does not matter if the article is not receiving updates. Curbon7 (talk) 21:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per PrinceofPunjab. LiamKorda 17:14, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose it's still ongoing. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:26, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Irrelevant, the article is not being updated. Stephen 00:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support ongoing's become a pointless "what wars flared up in the last 1.5 years" ticker. Many wars around the world are still ongoing, the Myanmar civil war simply is not in the news enough to justify keeping it here. AryKun (talk) 11:49, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose due to the fact that the war is still very much ongoing and active Lukt64 (talk) 18:53, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Irrelevant, the article is not being updated. Stephen 00:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support removal - items listed at ongoing are supposed to illustrate near-daily levels of significant updates to match what should be near-daily levels of new news coverage. That's not happening here. Plus, with three other far more active conflicts, we don't need what was an inflammation of long-term tensions that since has died down to be kept at ongoing. --Masem (t) 00:10, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Removed. Although there is some opposition, oppose arguments did not take into account lack of sufficiently regular article updates to keep the article in the ongoing section. Can consider renomination if this changes in the future. SpencerT•C 05:02, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose close, even if not all "Oppose" arguments took into account the lack of update, there was still nothing close to a consensus for removal. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 05:09, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For context, the beginning of May alone has 4 daily entries in the timeline article, so discounting the arguments against removal with a "lack of sufficiently regular article updates" is ultimately subjective. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 05:12, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support removal The article is not receiving sufficient updates to remain on ongoing, indicating this has become just another episode of Myanmar's 80-year civil war. Curbon7 (talk) 05:25, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The article is actually being fairly updated. It was just updated today to change the number of taken towns from 55 (I believe) to 57 when the Chins took two towns. The war is very much active and the timeline is also being updated. UnJapóLliure (talk) 15:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Michael Brudenell-Bruce, 8th Marquess of Ailesbury

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News source(s): https://tdpelmedia.com/noble-tragedy-unfolds-8th-marquess-of-ailesbury-plunges-to-his-death-in-london-accident-while-attending-to-pet/ , https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-harrys-model-ex-suffers-32810710
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British peer. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 21:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Clive Johnstone

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News source(s): https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2024/05/16/vice-admiral-sir-clive-johnstone-nato-hms-bulwark-beirut/ , https://www.everand.com/article/732513714/Tributes-Paid-To-Extraordinary-Royal-British-Legion-President
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British Royal Navy Vice Admiral. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 22:04, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support This article has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: David Sanborn

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Amwrican saxophonist. Orange tag. Sincerely, Dilettante 22:20, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose orange tag: discography, filmography, Broadcasting and Recordings sections are all unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:10, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support after cleanup. Influential saxophonist in the jazz fusion era. dekema (Formerly Buffaboy) (talk) 14:49, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
dekema, it’s irrelevant whether someone was influential. The only relevant issue for a recent death post is whether the article is up to standard. This one is poorly referenced; an orange tag is a showstopper. Schwede66 19:07, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: A. J. Smith

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NFL executive, needs some work. Natg 19 (talk) 00:26, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Almost ready two cn tags needs to be fixed. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:43, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PrinceofPunjab, I updated, re-arranged, and found some sources. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 18:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ready article is good enough now. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:11, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2024 Afghanistan–Pakistan floods

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I can't see consensus for this to be posted, and editors stopped commenting some days ago. Schwede66 00:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2024 Afghanistan–Pakistan floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ More than 500 people died due to floods in Afghanistan and Pakistan. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Flash floods in Baghlan Province, Afghanistan, kill at least 131 people.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Flash floods in Baghlan Province, Afghanistan, kill at least 131 people, bringing the total death toll to floods from this season to almost 500.
News source(s): The Guardian, AP, BBC, VOA, CNN
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Ainty Painty (talk) 06:04, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Stale item, as mentioned above. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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May 11

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May 11, 2024 (2024-05-11) (Saturday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Disasters and accidents

Politics and elections

RD: Terry Blair (serial killer)

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Article: Terry Blair (serial killer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://abc17news.com/cnn-regional/2024/05/16/kansas-city-serial-killer-terry-blair-convicted-of-killing-several-women-dead-at-62/
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American serial killer. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 21:59, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Susan Backlinie

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Article: Susan Backlinie (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT Fox
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First Victim in Jaws and acted in several Spielberg movies Normalman101 (talk) 18:27, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose filmography and other sections are unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:08, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:PrinceofPunjab: It's all sourced now. -- GreenC 00:39, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Rewritten, and all text sourced. The filmography box is not sourced but 4 of the 10 films are sourced in the body of the article, and the rest probably can be via the blue links to the films. -- GreenC 01:31, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I linked to IMDB cast lists for the Filmography box, needs to be cleaned up but the article is looking better thanks to you. Normalman101 (talk) 14:41, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jasper White (chef)

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Article: Jasper White (chef) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Boston Globe
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Article updated
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Chef.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 15:18, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article seems generally well-sourced. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 09:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose multiple cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PrinceofPunjab, all cn tags have been addressed. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 15:48, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ready marking it ready now. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:52, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – robertsky (talk) 16:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ron Ellis

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Article: Ron Ellis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nhl.com/news/ron-ellis-dead-at-79 , https://www.iihf.com/en/news/60859/ron_ellis_1945-2024 , https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/ron-ellis-dead-at-79-1.7201746 , https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-ron-ellis-who-played-over-1000-games-with-maple-leafs-dead-at-79/
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Canadian professional ice hockey. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 10:05, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose nearly a dozen cn tags, orange tag and career statistics-International play sections are unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:47, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blurb/RD: Roger Corman

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Article: Roger Corman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American filmmaker Roger Corman (pictured) dies at the age of 98 (Post)
News source(s): Variety, Hollywood Reporter, AP
Credits:

Article updated
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Its going to take a lot of sourcing work to get ready for posting. (Note, died on the 9th but this is first report of his death) --Masem (t) 02:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose blurb - Per above PrecariousWorlds (talk) 00:38, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Eurovision Song Contest 2024

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Article: Eurovision Song Contest 2024 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Nemo, representing Switzerland, wins the Eurovision Song Contest with "The Code". (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Switzerland, represented by Nemo with "The Code", wins the Eurovision Song Contest.
News source(s): Sky News
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
The content of the Eurovision articles is governed by the guidelines at WP:EUROVISION, which were updated last year after a discussion. Therefore, so long as a section is in the guidelines it's reasonable to assume that it has some consensus for inclusion. A.D.Hope (talk) 18:21, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Whether a section has consensus for inclusion in the article, and whether it makes the article too long to read for someone getting there from the Main Page, are two different things. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 18:33, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure they are two different things. If a section has consensus for inclusion then it presumably isn't generally considered to make the article unreasonably long. A particular example of the section in a given Eurovision Song Contest article might be bloated, but it can always be trimmed. A.D.Hope (talk) 22:43, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality, especially given the orange tagged section for neutrality. That's not the kind of stuff we want on the main page. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 15:33, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as of my time, the article has been improved and there are no longer any CN or Neutrality tags (I addressed two outstanding CN tags myself). I respectfully disagree with the concerns about length. The abundance of charts/tables is broadly consistent with how Eurovision articles are formatted - see, for example, Eurovision Song Contest 2023. In terms of the associated controversies and chronology, this article is longer because there is more to say about this year's event: it was more discussed in the press, it had more politics, more protests, and more drama. An event being MORE discussed resulting in there being MORE to say about it (thus creating a longer article) is the exact reason the article should make it to ITN... not vice versa. It seems strange and very bureaucratic for "this event was more notable and more widely discussed this year, and I don't like how that that made the article longer" to be essentially the reason that this nom is torpedoed. It is ITNR. FlipandFlopped ツ 02:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • It still has the WP:TRIVIA like the "postcard" table, complete voting list, and lists of spokespersons. Removing or condensing those into a couple of paragraphs of text would make the article more manageable to read. Just because it's similar to other years, that doesn't mean that those aren't trivia. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:59, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I have commented out the postcard table for now pending a discussion whether this does violate TRIVIA. I strongly dispute the claim that spokespersons and the complete voting breakdown would constitute trivia however. The spokespersons are seen on camera and considerable media attention is given, within Eurovision fandom and also elsewhere, about who each country chooses as their spokesperson, and their "performance" on the night. As for the "complete voting list" I'm not entirely sure what you mean with this? Are you referring to the voting tables in the "Detailed results" section? I would imagine that in a contest where countries vote for each other's entries that how each country voted would be incredibly relevant to the article. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 15:03, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For the record, I agree with you completely. The postcards are indeed pushing it, but everything else mentioned by @Joseph2302 are, in fact, the exact sort of content which I would anticipate that someone who types "Eurovision 2024" on Wikipedia to be searching for. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if people are searching up the article, not reading most of the "substance", and beelining it just to those tables for the easy quick reference guide that they offer. The tables are one of the most valuable parts of the article! FlipandFlopped ツ 21:32, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2023–2024 Georgian protests

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Article: 2023–2024 Georgian protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Large-scale protests are held in Georgia over parliamentary backing of a Russian-modelled proposed "Law on Transparency of Foreign Influence". (Post)
News source(s): France24 via MSN, The Times, BBC News
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: In the news globally, and the scale of protests is huge given the country's relatively small population, significant globally geo-politically. Today marks probably the biggest amount of people on the streets. The article needs work with the latest updates, and possibly should be split from the (successful) 2023 protests. The blurb I suggested is very clunky therefore please feel free to add alternatives. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:41, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment if there were big protests today, the article should have events on May 10/11/12, but the last date involves the arrests of a few people on May 9. Also, I really dislike featuring an article that is 90% proseline, but that's alonger term improvement issue. --Masem (t) 23:23, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Updated with references now. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:05, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jackattack1597: What is it specifically that you believe is missing that is not already covered by the article? Abcmaxx (talk) 07:55, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support after revision The subject matter is important and the protests are happening now in scale, but the article needs a lot of work. Due to the nature of the article it has far more content about 23'-april 24' then anything happening now. for events after may 3rd there is only 3 sentences I can see. With some work I would say fully support. Normalman101 (talk) 18:17, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability, oppose on quality per Normalman101. FlipandFlopped ツ 21:35, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Update has now been majorly updated and expanded. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:57, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There is still a lot to be done, but this is hitting the front pages, might need to be split like you suggested before going on main. AP, WP BBC Normalman101 (talk) 15:06, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I can't split it unless theres a clear consensus which means a lot more votes and comments on the proposal, and a non-involved admin closes it. If you could specify what exactly you believe needs doing I can try and do it in the meantime Abcmaxx (talk) 17:24, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support post update. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 18:37, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle but oppose on quality. Major protests drawing international attention. The article is long and has a lot of references but is still a mess. There's an ongoing proposal to split it into two, an orange-tagged section, multiple sections of WP:PROSELINE, paragraphs/sections with only one sentence etc. It requires a heavy copyedit and reorganisation of the sections before I would be comfortable making it a bold link in ITN. Modest Genius talk 19:08, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Mary Wells Lawrence

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Article: Mary Wells Lawrence (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
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American advertising executive.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:01, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article needs more sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:07, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Surjit Patar

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Article: Surjit Patar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:

Article updated
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Needs a bit work. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:37, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support there is one cn tag but otherwise okay. LiamKorda 10:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Tag has been fixed, and article looks fine for RD. Jackattack1597 (talk) 14:39, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - looks good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 18:39, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, but this doesn't look ready to me. Schwede66 03:30, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose - multiple CN tags and a clarification needed tag. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 07:38, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging@Schwede66 and @Jalapeño, all the cn tags have been resolved. Please take an another look. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 10

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May 10, 2024 (2024-05-10) (Friday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

RD: Christopher Edley Jr.

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Article: Christopher Edley Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

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Likely will need more work / expansion. Staraction (talk | contribs) 17:07, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gerhard Müller (Lutheran theologian)

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Article: Gerhard Müller (Lutheran theologian) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): FAZ and others
Credits:

Article updated
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Lutheran theologian and bishop (of Brunswick) who combined both functions. I expanded a stub. German has more detail but sadly without sources, and searches for this very common name are tricky, - help welcome. He died on his 95th birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:55, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks ready to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 17:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Mary Banotti

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Article: Mary Banotti (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Irish Times
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Irish politician.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:18, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral article meets bare minimum requirement, but there should more information regarding her 20 years as an MEP. PrinceofPunjabTALK 17:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jim Peterson

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Article: Jim Peterson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Toronto Star
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Canadian politician.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:49, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose there is a need for more sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 17:57, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Sam Rubin

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Article: Sam Rubin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [26]
Credits:

Article updated
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American TV entertainment reporter. Article tripled in size and fortified with 20+ new references. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 08:40, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) May 2024 solar storms

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Article: May 2024 solar storms (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Major solar storms impact the Earth, creating displays of Northern Lights (pictured) at southerly latitudes. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN, NYT, NOAA Space Weather Center
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Largest solar storm in decades. 75.81.94.213 (talk) 04:51, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wait - the northern lights don't seem to be much further south than has been observed on several occasions during the last year or two. I'd think we'd need something more noteworthy - a power grid failure or something. Nfitz (talk) 05:05, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait, but support The article as it stands right now is seriously underselling it; the aurora has reportedly reached all the way down to Jamaica at 18 degrees north. Ionmars10 (talk) 05:35, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strike while the iron is hot The aurora is visible right now where it's dark and will persist into the weekend. But it's dawn where I am and so I've missed last night but will be looking out for a recurrence on Saturday night as I've never seen an aurora. As time is of the essence, we should get this posted immediately to alert everyone. Note that this is not just a light show but this major solar storm might affect infrastructure too. Andrew🐉(talk) 05:52, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You're in the UK right? I wasn't able to catch it in London yesterday. I think there will be some activity tonight as well PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:14, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Largest event in many years.... severe effect on radio communications. Ariconte (talk) 06:33, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Agree with Andrew. Post this now while people can still go outside and see it; no need to wait for a disaster. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 06:58, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Proposed initial blurb is northern hemisphere biased. Spectacular aurora australis has also been seen much more northerly than usual. dmmaus (talk) 07:49, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is the largest solar storm in over thirty years, definitely news worthy. The article doesn't have quality issues. --NoonIcarus (talk) 08:14, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is a worldwide event with multiple news and government agencies reporting on it, specifically stating that a storm of this kind hasn't hit the Earth since 2003. I also support dmmaus's comment to reword the blurb, since these aurora are happening in the southern hemisphere too. I'm not sure if I can directly edit the template, but I'd change the blurb to something like "Major solar storms impact Earth, resulting in communication disruptions and displays of aurorae visible at medium-low latitudes " SpacePod9 (talk) 08:25, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per everyone above me. The linked article is well-referenced and gives a basic overview of what's happening, though I think the article should place a greater emphasis on the fact that these solar storms are the most powerful in over 30 years. Kurtis (talk) 08:43, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Per everyone else. I see @Dmmaus's point about northern hemisphere bias, as the Aurora Australis has also been intense over Australia, New Zealand, Chile, and Argentina, but the vast majority of the aurora sightings are in the North, and I don't really see a better way to phrase it. Maybe 'displays of the Northern and Southern Lights seen at lower latitudes'. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:16, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Vast majority? Have you measured it or are you just reaffirming your bias? There have been sightings in both hemispheres, period. Wording it accordingly is the way to go. Bedivere (talk) 14:18, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Hans Wahlgren

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Article: Hans Wahlgren (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [27], [28]
Credits:

Article updated
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— Preceding unsigned comment added by BabbaQ (talk • contribs) 17:55, 2024 May 10 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jim Simons

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Article: Jim Simons (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-10/jim-simons-quant-king-at-renaissance-technologies-dies-at-86, https://www.simonsfoundation.org/2024/05/10/simons-foundation-co-founder-mathematician-and-investor-jim-simons-dies-at-86/
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Article updated
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QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 16:44, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Philanthropist, mathematician, and hedge fund manager with a longstanding reputation for success in that field. Article has been updated and looks reasonable to me - no orange tags? QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 16:46, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 9

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May 9, 2024 (2024-05-09) (Thursday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Sports

RD: Cam McCarthy

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Article: Cam McCarthy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
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Australian rules footballer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:37, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose additional citations needed. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:31, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are 3 {cn} tags remaining. The AFL Rising Star nomination at the bottom of the infobox needs to be mentioned and sourced in the main prose. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 11:12, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Rex Murphy

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Article: Rex Murphy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC
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Canadian commentator and author.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:34, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Yvonne Mokgoro

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Article: Yvonne Mokgoro (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): South African Government News Agency
Credits:

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South African Judge.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:31, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support looks good to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:33, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Sean Burroughs

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Article: Sean Burroughs (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [29]
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Updating and sourcing in progress. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:39, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Chadian presidential election

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Template:ITN candidate Chose to direct to Mahamat Déby over 2024 Chadian presidential election, but provided it as an option in the second alt blurb. Swapped photos because main article page has an American flag in the background, and that might be a little confusing. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 05:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I think it's good to mention that there's been many accusations of electoral fraud, and this is generally not considered to be a free and fair democratic exercise PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This came up with the most recent election which resulted in Putin remaining in office, and the general consensus seemed to lean towards letting the article speak to that and keeping the blurb as concise as possible while remaining non-controversial. I believe there was a talk discussion as well. Kcmastrpc (talk) 11:12, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I personally disagree, I think whether or not an election is an actual democratic election is important to mention. Shall we also post the 2024 North Korean elections? I hear it's gonna be a close race, I wonder who will win PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:48, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is the reason I made alt1. He has been declared the winner by the electoral commission and reliable sources are saying he won. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 15:59, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah that might be the better option, saying the he has been declared the winner by the electoral commission rather than 'elected'. So, Support alt blurb I PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:03, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Colleen Barrett

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Template:ITN candidate Former president of Southwest Airlines and founding figure in the airline. I got this article cleaned up a few years ago, so it should be pretty good to go. Kenmelken (talk) 17:24, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article is in good shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:51, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Timeline of the Israel–Hamas war

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Template:ITN candidate

Support as one of the original proponents for adding (timelines) to ongoing for the sake of consistency. — Knightoftheswords 16:23, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support timelines for both on the basis of consistency. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 03:15, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Frank Bainimarama jailed

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Template:ITN candidate

It's a legal term and specific offence. I think we should keep it as it is as not to fall foul of any WP:BLP or WP:BIAS rules. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:40, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. Tone 14:00, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Sounds like he's already been convicted. Maybe changing the blurb to "Former Prime Minister of Fiji Frank Bainimarama is sentenced to one year in prison for perverting the course of justice." would be more precise?Estreyeria (talk) 15:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Notes The Guardian story above says he was convicted of attempting to pervert the course of justice. It also says first he was sentenced for perverting it. Maybe this means the attempt was successful and maybe it means the reporter was just being succinct earlier. In any case, we should become sure, somehow. Same for the five CN tags. I'm also not sure if there's a distinction between jail (for short sentences) and prison (for long hauls) in Fiji; are you? InedibleHulk (talk) 15:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In British English jail and prison mean the same thing, in the UK legally there is no such thing as jail. In Canada and the USA jails and prisons are two different places with slightly different functions. The Fijian legal (and political) system is likely to be based on the British system but if we have any Fijian Wikipedians or more likely Australian or New Zealander Wikipedians on here who have a better insight, then that would be great. Abcmaxx (talk) 17:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You are correct. Jail (or rather gaol) and prison are one and the same in a lot of Westminster countries. Jail/gaol tends to be the more colloquial/conversational term whereas prison is the official term. Whereas in NA, jail tends to refer to mini-prisons ran by local governments (i.e. counties) while prison is those ran by state/provincial and federal governments. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 02:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In some huge counties, the jails make state prisons look tiny. The main reason is that prisons only house convicted criminals, while jails hold untried suspects and small-time ("two years less a day" or "misdemeanor") convicts. Glad we're sure about Fiji now, though, thanks. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - he was the longtime leader and psuedo-dictator of Fiji, the fact he's now heading to prison seems notable enough for the front page. The Kip 17:28, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Pending Citations InedibleHulk (talk) 17:44, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 02:37, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 03:15, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Is this an indication that multiple tagged paragraphs are no longer a problem for biographies, no longer a problem for biographies of living people or no longer a problem for biographies of politicians? None of the above? In any case, don't pull; just seems odd. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:35, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 8

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RD: Steve Albini

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Never mind then! Expected it to be under May 8 since that was when it was announced. The Midnite Wolf (talk) 22:06, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Moosa Raza

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Template:ITN candidate Indian civil servant.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 23:23, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose no way near ready to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:39, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Chris Cannon

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Template:ITN candidate Former U.S. representative. One orange-tagged section. Curbon7 (talk) 21:00, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article needs a bit more sourcing. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:53, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jimmy Johnson (cornerback)

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Template:ITN candidate Looks to be in solid shape. Natg 19 (talk) 19:40, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks good to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:54, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ramón Fonseca Mora

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Template:ITN candidate a Panamanian novelist, lawyer and co-founder of Mossack Fonseca.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article needs more sourcing particularly in the works section. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:55, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: K. P. Yohannan

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Template:ITN candidate 70.27.84.88 (talk) 00:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article needs a lot of work to be ITN eligible. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 00:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose article needs bit more sourcing. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Pete McCloskey

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Template:ITN candidate Sunshineisles2 (talk) 20:56, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support - article looks good and is well-sourced. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 21:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article looks ready. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:55, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 7

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(Posted) RD: Barbara Stauffacher Solomon

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Template:ITN candidate Pioneer of Supergraphics.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:43, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article needs more sources and Books section also have some works unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Almost ready Apart from an unreferenced date of birth, this looks good to go. Schwede66 02:27, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's a footnote next to the DoB now. -PFHLai (talk) 04:55, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you please take a look now.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 North Macedonia elections

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The official results from the presidential election will be published later, but the winner is already known due to the large margin, and the current president Stevo Pendarovski has already conceded the defeat. According to the preliminary results from the parliamentary election, the opposition is set to win most seats in the Assembly, but the votes from the largest polls have not yet been counted. As for the quality of articles, the one on the presidential election looks minimally sufficient and needs an update of the final results, whereas the one on the parliamentary election lacks prose and has long way to go before posting.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:19, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait the lead article needs more prose. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Steve Albini

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Template:ITN candidate BangJan1999 16:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support – RIP. Isthmus55 (t • c) 17:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article appears good enough to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ignatius Jones

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Ready Article is in a very good shape and is ready to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:00, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support This article is in remarkably good shape for someone from the entertainment industry. HiLo48 (talk) 07:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ready Ready Ready Ready Ready Ready Ready And has been for over a day. HiLo48 (talk) 00:00, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Kim Ki-nam

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RD: Oleksandr Pielieshenko

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I have added citations to results section. Alexcalamaro (talk) 05:19, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Article is a stub. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 12:32, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 6

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(Posted) RD: Joe Collier

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Template:ITN candidate American Football coach.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:43, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support looks good enough. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:07, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Hootie Ingram

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Template:ITN candidate American football player.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Head coaching record section does not have any source.PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you please take a look added references.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 12:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article is ready now. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Kristin Hallenga

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Template:ITN candidate Death reported on Monday 6th.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks fine to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:39, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 World Snooker Championship

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  • Almost ready. The tense needs changing from future to past in at least the final section. Schwede66 21:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Sorry, yeah, it had literally only just finished, I think I have it all now. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 23:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, looks like the tense has been changed. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 22:01, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, just like with the 2024 Derby. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:E1BE:DE23:DB02:9B82 (talk) 22:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, looks good to go. The Kip 23:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I won't let this get in the way of a well sourced, prose-filled ITNR sport result from being posted, but daaaaamn that is a heck of a lot of prose. I tried reading (not a big pool/snookers player) and my eyes glazed over. That probably can be trimmed down some where the prose and tables work hand in hand to summarize the results. This is only a comment and should not be treated as a oppose !vote. --Masem (t) 01:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The previous six years of FAs seems to suggest this is how we should lay out these articles. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 06:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is a problem with many of the sports articles on Wikipedia. Too many of our editors think of themselves as sports journalists, and the articles bloat with endless trivia and unnecessary play-by-play. 128.91.40.237 (talk) 13:35, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If you think prose about an event is unnecessary, we're going to have to agree to disagree. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think it's a very well written article with appropriate levels of detail on the different rounds and good referencing. The prose summaries provide factual statements and a few quotes from the players, without engaging in subjective judgements or excessive details. It makes sense to me for the paragraphs on the final to provide more granular information than the earlier rounds. There are 4800 words of prose, which is fine for an encyclopaedia article covering the entire tournament (not just the final). The only part that might be a bit overdone is in describing the qualifying rounds, but that's nitpicking. Overall it's a very good article to feature on the Main Page. Modest Genius talk 13:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Again, stressing this is not a pull request: it is just that the early sections have a combination of sea of blue links and stats in rather long paragraphs. This would be a situation that mingling tables between sections of prose both help situate the prose better as well as visually breaking up the prose. I am absolutely pleased to see a sports article with this much prose to discuss what actually happened and backed with sources, but this is not a very reader friendly approach, at least to one looking from outside the snooker world. — Masem (t) 13:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would much rather see lots of text about the event that explains it rather than just tables and stats, like a lot of sports articles try to get away with, and this is way more consistent with MOS:PROSE than most other sports articles. Yes there is lots of text, but all of it is relevant text and so is fine. We should be encouraging articles, especially sports articles, nominated here to have prose rather than endless amounts of tables. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:08, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 01:47, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bernard Pivot

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Template:ITN candidate French journalist notably for Le Figaro. Jmanlucas (talk) 18:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Needs more sources. Will work on it tomorrow if it's not well-cited by then. Sincerely, Dilettante 01:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Spelling championship and filmography sections are entirely unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Brian Wenzel

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Template:ITN candidate Australian actor. 240F:7A:6253:1:D0D0:C67F:3541:9590 (talk) 17:44, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose needs more references. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 23:10, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose unsourced Filmography and some cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:41, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2024 U.S. University protests/occupations

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Template:Atop Template:ITN candidate Renominating because the protests have only grown in scale and intensity, all over the news worldwide, with no sign of stopping anytime soon. I think this qualifies as a separate item from ongoing due to notability. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose The article says that "Protests, including rallies, demonstrations, campaigns, and vigils relating to the Israel–Hamas war have occurred across the U.S. since the conflict's start on October 7, 2023". And the latest flare-up is dated "April 17" which is over two weeks ago. So, this is clearly an ongoing issue rather than something new. And we already have an umbrella ongoing entry. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Opposefor largely the same reasons. This is an ongoing item covered by the ongoing entry. Noah, BSBATalk 11:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Covered by ongoing. Editor 5426387 (talk) 12:31, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Didn't we just have an ITN candidate like this? Anyways, covered by ongoing, nothing else to say. The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1(The Garage) 12:53, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mention in Ongoing, we could have something like Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war (protests). The protests are related, but not an event in the war itself, and their intensity means mentioning them under the umbrella of the main ongoing item. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 12:58, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Highlighting the protests at primarily US schools over deaths and destruction of the Gaza conflict is a massive undue weight of the situation. — Masem (t) 14:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: Protests are very common and happen across the globe all the time including in relation to Israel/Palestine. What makes this particular sub-set of these notable? The number of people involved are small and universities are not inherently more important than any other institutions. It appears to be almost entirely restricted to one country. This is very much not May 68. —Brigade Piron (talk) 13:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • SupportTemplate:Strikethrough editors keep citing that it's covered by ongoing, but how? last i checked (a few days ago), these protests didn't even have a mention in the I-H ongoing article. Perhaps these are mentioned (now), but given the scale and persistence of these protests in the news this likely deserves a blurb on its ownTemplate:Strikethrough. (I actually opposed the nom several days ago, citing ongoing, but have since changed my stance on it given the recent developments). Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:16, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • We have to recognize that ongoing that last for months are going to have a main topic article and then numerous sub articles under that. As long as the protests are linked and referenced in that hierarchy, then ongoing covers this. — Masem (t) 14:58, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      OK, I was able to find it down a couple of nested links. I believe the duration and breadth of coverage of this specific subset of events in the broader ongoing warrants a blurb. I've redacted the ongoing nom, that can always be revisited later if these protests continue throughout the next several weeks. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:07, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • oppose and snow close It was very clear why the previous nomination was not successful. It is absurd to try again. Not notable enough, not ITN-worthy and covered by ongoing. Nothing changed. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:31, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Stop abusing SNOW. There are support votes and other proposals to include it in ongoing. Discussion is still going on, closing it prematurely is silly. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No one here is abusing SNOW. It is entirely rational in this nomination to ask for it. And there is only 1 support vote over 8 clear opplses...this means something. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We are discussing whether or not to put it on ongoing as well. It is far too soon to close. There is literally no reason to rush through this nom, let people have a discussion. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There was already a debate a few days ago, things were explained and nothing has changed. The majority position of the editors was clear. _-_Alsor (talk) 20:18, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, even if I personally wouldn't mind adding it to Ongoing (although I don't feel too strongly about it either way), it's pretty clear that the majority here is still against it, and I wouldn't oppose a SNOW close. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 20:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    SNOW is for overly bureaucratic and unproductive processes that slow down Wikipedia, I don't see how this discussion being up is really that big of a deal. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 21:30, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and snow close These were already nominated and rejected just over a week ago, and they’re on the downswing anyways. The Kip 14:46, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Still pretty minor compared to the actual thing they're protesting about. (But yes, please stop calling for SNOW.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I thought we already had something like this that didn't get posted? Regardless, its covered by ongoing Hungry403 (talk) 01:15, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) 2024 Panamanian general election

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Template:Atop Template:ITN candidate Not mathematically possible for the opponent to win at this stage. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 02:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait article needs expansion. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:43, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) Closest finish in NASCAR History

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Template:Atop Template:ITN candidate Nominating per WP:ITN/R. User:Meganinja202 (talk) 03:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 
The finish of the 1971 Italian Grand Prix with five drivers separated by less than a second.

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May 5

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(Posted) RD: César Luis Menotti

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Template:ITN candidate World Cup winning Football coach.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:19, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wait The article is in really bad shape (there's a cn and most paragraphs are a single sentence or line), but I'll try to fix it a bit to make presentable Cambalachero (talk) 02:00, 6 May 2024 (UTC) Oppose: I will not get into a content dispute over an article I hardly care about. The article takes a cherry-picked phrase Menotti said once and uses it to paint him as a socialist, which goes against WP:BALANCE. Truth is, Menotti never made a big deal of his political ideas or engaged in political disputes (compare with Diego Maradona#Political views). Also, the lead image is not free in the United States (it was not free in Argentina at the URAA date) and should be deleted from Commons. Cambalachero (talk) 12:15, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • This is probably a discussion for another time and place but I thought Commons was for files that are free, no ifs, no buts. It's very odd that so many Gráfico files are on Commons if they are not entirely free. I know that Italy also has shorter copyright dates and on Italian Wikipedia, there are many files used that are PD in Italy but not in the USA, ergo they are not hosted on Commons. Unknown Temptation (talk) 15:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • Long story short: the URAA was challenged as violating the constitution of the US, the Wikimedia Foundation understood that it was not in force, so photos under licenses such as PD-AR-Photo were uploaded in droves. The Supreme Court ratified the URAA in 2012, so a huge number of photos (such as all PD-AR-Photo newer than 1970) are no longer acceptable. That's a huge backlog to process, especially because of Commons' admins wanting to do it case by case instead of en masse. Cambalachero (talk) 16:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Not to beep my own horn but I've made some quite substantial improvements to the page. There may be opinions that there is too much attention given to his political views, but it is true that he held left-wing views, no matter how much he said or didn't say about them. See the academic article "The social, political, and economic causes of violence" by Eugenio Paradiso: "Ironically, Menotti was a communist." That article is from 2009, two years before the book that is cited on Wikipedia. Menotti was a known leftist who had a highly public role that was exploited by a right-wing dictatorship, that is undoubtedly notable. Unknown Temptation (talk) 18:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: the article might use some minor tweaks with citations and syntax, but looks alright overall! Oltrepier (talk) 19:37, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article looks good enough for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: All Menotti-related photos with unsuitable licenses have been nominated for deletion at Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Menotti. Cambalachero (talk) 15:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This is about to fall off the page soon. Consensus is building for posting. Users have freedom to believe that the page has improper focus on political views, or that the images are not free, but those viewpoints aren't building traction. Can an admin take a look at this nomination before it becomes old news? Unknown Temptation (talk) 15:10, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. Photos nominated for deletion at WCommons have been commented out for the time being. --PFHLai (talk) 15:32, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Obi Ezeh

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Template:ITN candidate American Football player.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Frank Shrontz

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Template:ITN candidate Former corporate executive and government official. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 15:37, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bernard Hill

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Support I found a CV on his talent agency's website (they are mentioned in news reports as announcing his death) and used it to fill in most of the missing references. Johndavies837 (talk) 20:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support looks well sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:40, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Brazil floods

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Template:ITN candidate Ainty Painty (talk) 02:06, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Needs expansion, too short for right now. Masem (t) 02:24, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait article needs a expansion, when ready I'll will Support it. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:00, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait. Page needs expansion and is too short for now, once it's done I'll support it. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 12:14, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait article needs expansion. LiamKorda 15:17, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article looks good now. LiamKorda 17:06, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support if the article can be expanded. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:340C:D133:72B6:623 (talk) 16:43, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely support it, however needs expanding. Glucoboy011 (talk) 16:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article is probably big enough to be on the front page now. Glucoboy011 (talk) 19:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as it's definitely notable enough: plus, I've just finished expanding the article by adding some more bits of information. Oltrepier (talk) 17:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support ArionStar (talk) 13:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If this blurb eventually does get published, we should remember to update the number of casualties from time to time since, unfortunately, it's still on the rise. Oltrepier (talk) 08:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) 2024 Kentucky Derby

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Template:ITN candidate Nominating per WP:ITN/R. JRHorse (talk) 03:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Frank Stella

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(Posted) RD: Darius Morris

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Template:ITN candidate NBA Player.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:59, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support it is a GA. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: As it has WP:GA status. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 12:15, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The career statistics table isn't sourced; I presume this is easily remedied. Black Kite (talk) 20:03, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you please take a look added Ref.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 23:15, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support To my recollection, this is the first biography that I have created and taken to WP:GA and seen listed here. I'm very saddened.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:50, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) Chinese moon mission

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Template:ITN candidate The mission has various phases over 53 days. It has started and so is in the news. The article will need updating as it progresses and so might be a candidate for Ongoing in due course. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:28, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ongoing Science! Article seems fine, except for a tweet being used as a source. Would be great to have an expected timeline of the mission. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 10:01, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Missions like this are not good for ongoing because there will not be daily news coverage of it, only things like this launch, its landing, its relaunch, and its return. — Masem (t) 12:59, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. The article is a bit light, but does meet our minimum requirements. This qualifies as ITNR. The originally suggested blurb is poor, I've added alt1. Modest Genius talk 10:53, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt1 which does not repeat the error of calling the Far Side the 'dark side', and is generally clearer. I'm personally not a fan of posting every space mission, but this is clearly within the ITNR parameters for them. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:03, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now but Tentative support landing when that happens, though right now the article quality is not great for posting - its missing a lot of details we'd expect for a major space mission. This doesn't meet any of the ITNR for space exploration, but when it lands on the moon (and ideally, in working condition), then that is ITNR. I cannot find the timeline for this, but using Chang'e 4 as a reference, it will only take about 5-6 days to get to lunar orbit, but then at which point I dont know how long after it will take to land (Chang'e 4 took about 2 weeks from orbit to land). --Masem (t) 13:05, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Was that ITNR criterion changed at some point? I was convinced it covered both the launch and arrival of interplanetary missions, but you're right WP:ITNR doesn't actually say that. I'm happy with wait for landing if that's the consensus. Modest Genius talk 13:28, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    At one point I am pretty sure we have the first launches of any new type of rocket on there, but with commercial space activities now happening, I think we removed that. Even then, this would not have qualified as its not a new rocket. The probe is the newsworthy item and assuming a soft landing, it would be good for that, as well as successful end of mission (return to earth w/ samples) — Masem (t) 14:59, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem; ITNR doesn't cover launches, only successful arrivals. Template:Tq Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:17, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until landing, if successful, per Masem and Kcmastrpc ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:37, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support for blurb, stronger support for waiting for landing This is a notable event in space travel and for science in general, but I think the landing will be more suitable for the blurb. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 15:11, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Points arising
  1. The ITN/R issue is not important because items are not required to be ITN/R to be posted. For example, we're currently blurbing the Voyager update even though that's not ITN/R. The essential requirement is that the item is in the news and this moon shot is now the current news while the Voyager item is getting stale.
  2. The ultimate destination of this probe is back on Earth as the main idea is to gather samples and study them here. But we don't want to wait until everything is over. Waiting for the moon landing may be problematic technically as the landing is on the dark/far side and so will be done autonomously and so communications will presumably be difficult or delayed.
  3. The bottom line is that this item is international news now. Why can't we just do the obvious thing and post it now? Perfect is the enemy of good.
Andrew🐉(talk) 17:31, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The probe's destination is the moon, even if the ultimate destination is returning back to earth. Just because communication will be spotty doesn't mean the space agency won't know if it landed or not. — Masem (t) 13:14, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The short of it is that it's gotten broad news, but it's been in the same category as China's prior two launches to the Moon that happened this same year. It's worth noting that the launch of IM-1 wasn't even nominated back on February 15. However, its landing on February 22 was nominated as ITN/R and quickly approved.
Provided this mission lands on the Moon successfully, this will fare the same, quickly approved as ITN/R. (which is to be expected later this month) As this is a sample-return mission, this means that it would also be prime for an ITN spot in late June: not covered in ITN/R, but "returning a sample from the Moon to Earth" is substantial enough to be notable on its own. Meanwhile, a mere launch is not. So this mission is already on track for two separate ITN appearances; it doesn't need a third that may well still be on the board when the second happens. Nottheking (talk) 04:35, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support but Far side and also mention that cubesat of Pakistan that also launched with it (ICUBE-Q) RΔ𝚉🌑R-𝕏 (talk) 11:37, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait. The significant part of the mission is on the return aspect of it. If it successfully returns to earth with lunar samples from the far side, then I’d say it should be posted. RPH (talk) 13:13, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait - the riskiest portion is the moon landing. The most interesting part is the return to earth. We should wait for one of those. Template:Br Separately, Oppose on quality; the article says the mission is 53 days, but details like "when is it expected to arrive/leave the moon's surface" are missing. 217.180.228.138 (talk) 23:32, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait till it successfully returns to earth. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:09, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait partly as per Masem. ITN/R hasn't covered this sort of event since it was first revised to actually specify individual criteria in October 2011. (before then it did cover all space launches, which only worked because almost no one was covering them... As well as there being far fewer) While there's been further revision, (especially starting in 2021, which gradually saw the initial 2011 list of 6 criteria gradually drop to just the 3 we have as of this writing) at no point in the past 13 years would this have qualified as ITN/R.
Granted, a lot of folk forget that items that aren't ITN/R can be posted, even when they aren't mass casualty disasters. However, context is key, and this is not only the fifth launch of spacecraft intended for a lunar orbit or surface regime this year, but the third such Chinese launch this year. So the launch itself, if nominal, isn't going to be terribly noteworthy; in the mission's page it'll be limited to a sentence or two.
However, I look forward to supporting this once it arrives on the surface the Moon, and again once it returns its sample to Earth. The former will be an ITN/R posting, the latter a posting that isn't ITN/R, but would most certainly merit sufficient notability on its own. Nottheking (talk) 04:22, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Kailash Chandra Gahtori

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Template:ITN candidate Indian politician. Always a bit sad to find out someone I wrote about died. Curbon7 (talk) 08:38, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - article isn't huge but is sourced well enough ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:38, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Article seems to meet the minimum requirements. Solid sourcing, provides coverage of life and death.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:49, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Article lists election results but has no information about what he accomplished in his 5-year career as a politician. Could use some depth about his business career if that is something he is significantly notable for as well (all the article has at present is "Gahtori started a construction company" and "he came to own a hotel and two schools"). SpencerT•C 07:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 2

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RD:Sjoukje Dijkstra

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Template:ITN candidateDutch figure skater.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 21:31, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article look good to me even though I would have expected a longer article for a Olympic Gold Medalist. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:07, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD:Peter Oosterhuis

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Template:ITN candidateBritish Golfer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:53, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Almost ready the orange tag in Broadcasting career section needs to be fixed. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:05, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Updated) Jeremiah Manele

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Template:ITN candidate The current ITN blurb on the 2024 Solomon Islands general election is now stale and somewhat misleading. Jeremiah Manele is now the prime minister. This could just be an update to the current blurb. The Jeremiah Manele is just a stub though (at the time of this nomination), which is a problem. -- Classicwiki (talk) 08:07, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Colombia israel relations

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Template:Atop Template:ITN candidate Biggest IR consequence of the war yet. Also to note, colombia was the biggest regional friend of israel once upon a time. It is from today (2nd Mat)37.252.81.135 (talk) 03:32, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: Already covered by ongoing. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 15:23, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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May 1

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(Posted) RD: Lyle Bauer

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Support article seems ready to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:03, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Richard Tandy

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Template:ITN candidateNeeds some work.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:05, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose orange tag and several cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:01, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Loblaw boycott begins in Canada

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Notable and scheduled month-long boycotting campaign against Canada's largest grocery retail corporation, starting from Reddit. B3251 (talk) 08:27, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Merely stating an intention to boycott a particular store doesn't mean it will actually occur on a widespread scale. The most likely outcome is that a handful of people avoid shopping at the company's stores, while life will carry on as normal for everyone else. In the absence of objective proof that the company experiences a sustained (multi-week) significant decline in sales, this is not worthy of a blurb. Chrisclear (talk) 11:08, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Likewise. The artilce is reeks of NOTNEWS and CRYSTALBALL. it is the 2nd of May and barely sunrise there.37.252.95.154 (talk) 11:11, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Uma Ramanan

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Template:ITN candidateIndian singer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:03, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose there are some claims that are unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:23, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD/Blurb:Duane Eddy

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Template:ITN candidate The article needs more work but the first guitar hero already has a Legacy section which makes a start at showing his considerable influence. The NYT explains that "Mr. Eddy had tremendous success as a strictly instrumental recording artist in the late 1950s and ’60s, selling millions of records worldwide with growling, echo-laden hits like “Rebel Rouser” and “Forty Miles of Bad Road.” In the process, he played a major role in establishing electric guitar as the predominant musical instrument in rock ’n’ roll. Mr. Eddy influenced a multitude of rock guitarists, including George Harrison, Jimi Hendrix and Bruce Springsteen..." Andrew🐉(talk) 22:33, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Could Andrew possibly explain why he thinks the person is blurb worthy? No number-1 hits anywhere, not a Jimi Hendrix type, the "legacy" section is just some random name-dropping. 217.180.228.138 (talk) 21:30, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose RD on quality, lots of unsourced material. Oppose blurb the article is begging to explain the type of influence he might have - just saying other musicians found him an influence doesn't make him a great figure in terms of modern music. Masem (t) 22:50, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose RD various unsourced paragraphs. Oppose blurb he was not a household name and I do not seem to find anything why he should be blurbed. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:21, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose RD and Blurb per above. LiamKorda 14:30, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD:Terry Medwin

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Template:ITN candidate Welsh, Swansea and Tottenham Hotspur football player.Govvy (talk) 12:32, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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