Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Autism/Archive 1

Nomination for deletion of Template:Autism cure movement

Template:Autism cure movement has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Frietjes (talk) 22:44, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Category:People on the autistic spectrum

Please see the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_October_1#Category:People_on_the_autistic_spectrum. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 11:41, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

New article on viral video - From The Doctor to my son Thomas

• From The Doctor to my son Thomas

I've created a new article on viral video From The Doctor to my son Thomas.

Help or suggestions with additional secondary sources would be appreciated on the article's talk page, at Talk:From The Doctor to my son Thomas.

Thank you, — Cirt (talk) 23:17, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

WP:AUTISM and similar shortcuts

WP:ASPIE, WP:AUTIE, WP:ASPERGERS, and WP:AUTISM currently redirect to an essay at Wikipedia:High-functioning autism and Asperger's editors. I believe this page, or rather its eventual title of Wikipedia:WikiProject Autism, would be a more appropriate use of such common redirect names. Please discuss at Wikipedia_talk:High-functioning_autism_and_Asperger's_editors#Reappropriating_shortcuts. Muffinator (talk) 09:01, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

What the talk page template means

There have been multiple disputes now over inclusion of the {{WikiProject Autism}} template on article talk pages, so I'd like to clarify what this is used for. Hopefully some disputes can be solved just by linking here, before any formal resolution method is deemed necessary. Note that if you replace the words autism and autistic, this can apply to all WikiProjects.

Tagging a talk page as "within the scope of WikiProject Autism" means that one or more of the project's editors believe the project should keep an eye on it. That's all.

• It does NOT mean that any person mentioned in the article is autistic, including any in the title.
• It does NOT mean that any neurological, psychological, or sociological phenomena mentioned in the article are found in autistic people, exclusively or otherwise.
• It just means that the project is interested.

The only instance in which tagging an article would be considered disruptive is if the subject is only tangentially related to the project. So while articles about autism itself are obviously in the scope of the project, as are biographies of autistic people and people whose work is related to autism, if a topic is two steps removed then it would not be appropriate to tag the article. I should reiterate, however, that this does not mean the template is a statement about the subject of the article. The official WikiProject guide uses the example that WP:WikiProject Health shouldn't tag the article Toy just because it's healthy to wash toys (only the article Washing is tagged). The reason is that the subject is far removed from the project, not because the template would somehow be a statement that toys are healthy. An example specific to this project could be Claire Danes, an actor who played the role of Temple Grandin in a movie. The articles Temple Grandin and Temple Grandin (film) should be tagged, but not Claire Danes. Muffinator (talk) 00:56, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

That might all be nice if everyone who ever sees such a tag on an article Talk page instantly knows everything you have written above, but they won't, will they? Most will never come here to read your little essay. Many will get the wrong impression. We must find a better solution. HiLo48 (talk) 22:01, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Maybe the MAIN_TEXT arg to the template could be editting to make this clear? Stuartyeates (talk) 22:21, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

The text and use of this project's template is no different from any other WikiProject. If the text of {{WPAUTISM}} needs to be changed, then EVERY WikiProject template needs to be changed. That's a pretty big task, so I would advise running it by WikiProject Council first. HiLo48 - the idea is to link to this page so that the same argument doesn't need to be rehashed every time the same issue comes up. Perhaps a proper essay page would be more effective; we have yet to give either method a chance. Muffinator (talk) 00:14, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Any method would be better than what we have now. HiLo48 (talk) 02:36, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Autism Research Institute

Proposal to cut and paste rewrite from Talk:Autism Research Institute/draft into blanked article. I think needed changes can be made after the cut and paste and that the draft is acceptable improvement of existing article. - - MrBill3 (talk) 18:35, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Recent edit

Admitting that I haven't studied it (and haven't competence to do so), I'd like to call the project's attention to DIFF because it may give (too) much weight to DSM-IV. Admitting, again, that I may be off base here. --Hordaland (talk) 09:26, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

The DSM in general is very notable, at least in the United States. The DSM-IV however, is deprecated by the DSM-5 and should not be given much weight except for historical purposes. Thanks for pointing this out. Muffinator (talk) 21:21, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Article alerts

I have registered the project with the bots providing article alerts. I will integrate the results to the project page once the bots have run. Until then, you can see Wikipedia:WikiProject Disability#Article alerts for an example of the information generated. --Mirokado (talk) 20:08, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Autism#Article alerts. --Mirokado (talk) 19:20, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

A useful source (?)

Don't know if this has been used: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11606-012-2262-7

Date: 21 Nov 2012

Title: Comparison of Healthcare Experiences in Autistic and Non-Autistic Adults: A Cross-Sectional Online Survey Facilitated by an Academic-Community Partnership. --Hordaland (talk) 18:07, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Another useful source?

At SFARI, Simons Foundation Autism Research Initiative, an interesting post, 15 August 2014, "Guest blog: London as a crucible for autism in the 1950s" by Uta Frith: [1] with 4 references.

A historical look at the transition from "schizophrenic, psychotic, brain-damaged, epileptic, mentally defective" to autism.

I've added it to External links on her article. --Hordaland (talk) 20:20, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal

Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Unusual file deletion discussion

A unique image file deletion discussion is currently being conducted at this page, which may be of interest to members of this WikiProject, and others with an interest in disabilities. (In particular, please see 2nd paragraph) CaesarsPalaceDude (talk) 17:44, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject X is live!

Hello everyone!

You may have received a message from me earlier asking you to comment on my WikiProject X proposal. The good news is that WikiProject X is now live! In our first phase, we are focusing on research. At this time, we are looking for people to share their experiences with WikiProjects: good, bad, or neutral. We are also looking for WikiProjects that may be interested in trying out new tools and layouts that will make participating easier and projects easier to maintain. If you or your WikiProject are interested, check us out! Note that this is an opt-in program; no WikiProject will be required to change anything against its wishes. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you!

Note: To receive additional notifications about WikiProject X on this talk page, please add this page to Wikipedia:WikiProject X/Newsletter. Otherwise, this will be the last notification sent about WikiProject X.

Harej (talk) 16:56, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Created pages

I created Wikipedia:WikiProject Autism/Collaboration (Project sub-page for collaboration on articles) and Wikipedia:WikiProject Autism/Peer review (Project sub-page for peer review of articles). If anyone wants to be an Active Peer reviewer please let me know on my talk page. Thanks.Maranjosie (talk) 17:40, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Created barnstar for use as WikiProject award

The Autism Barnstar was created to reward those who advance the goals of WikiProject Autism.

Please let me know what you think.Maranjosie (talk) 17:53, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

As there is no objection, I am invoking WP:Silence and putting it up on the Wikipedia:Awards by WikiProject page.Maranjosie (talk) 16:19, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Copyright Violation Detection - EranBot Project

A new copy-paste detection bot is now in general use on English Wikipedia. Come check it out at the EranBot reporting page. This bot utilizes the Turnitin software (ithenticate), unlike User:CorenSearchBot that relies on a web search API from Yahoo. It checks individual edits rather than just new articles. Please take 15 seconds to visit the EranBot reporting page and check a few of the flagged concerns. Comments welcome regarding potential improvements. These possible copyright violations can be searched by WikiProject categories. Use "control-f" to jump to your area of interest (if such a copyvio is present).--Lucas559 (talk) 18:50, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Task force

Does WikiProject Autism currently have a task force? If so can you please post a link to it here? Thanks! Maranjosie (talk) 14:49, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

@Maranjosie: I don't think so. Ms. Andrea Carter here (at your service) 06:59, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

From The Doctor to my son Thomas - featured article candidate

I've nominated the article about the video From The Doctor to my son Thomas for Featured Article consideration.

The article is about a message sent from actor Peter Capaldi in-character in his role as the Doctor on Doctor Who, to console an autistic young boy over grief from the death of his grandmother.

Comments would be appreciated, at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/From The Doctor to my son Thomas/archive1.

Thank you for your time,

— Cirt (talk) 01:05, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Welcome help on sandbox article and editing from content referenced in Talk page

We welcome any further help in article stuck in sandbox.

Lots of donated content and searches on topic, as well as images now approved and available in wikimedia to re-enable and develop article.

Thanks again.

Irish autism Archive team

AspieNo1 (talk) 22:49, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Help Wanted. Page in my Sandbox on Aspies community Politician, Social worker, MacKenzies Friend and autism Advocate Damon Matthew Wise Âû keeps getting deleted, despite several references to him already on Wikipedia (such as https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/F%C3%ADs_Nua ) and attributable first use of terms Aspies, Auties, Cousins and Mundanes in context autism advocacy on AUTINET, Autism@StJohns and ANI-L, from 1993 (as archived by Google) also and sharealike images eventually being released through Wikimedia.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=Damon+Matthew+Wise&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1

His being an independent community party candidate through Fís Nua is stated in page confirming same; also him being party Trustee and his home being the Registered National Party Office and representative observer to European Green Party Council and Convention for other Green Left parties in Ireland also public record.

https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=User:AspieNo1/sandbox&action=edit&redlink=1&preload=Template%3AUser+sandbox%2Fpreload

Admin help please

AspieNo1 (talk) 20:29, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Autism Flour Power Challenge

So on the Autism Awarneess Day Article (https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/World_Autism_Awareness_Day) I saw that section about the Autism Flour Power Challenge (check history of the page) was previously unsourced and I was going to added a citation needed template to it but another user had already gone ahead and removed it. I found this YouTube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsSubJiFsC0 of a family doing the challenge but nothing else so far from looking at the first few results of a Google search. However I believe its a great idea to bring awareness to a challenge that bring awareness to such a great cause. If someone can find a good source like one of the official websites describing the challenge that would be great but until then the citation needed tag will have to remain in place. I hope everyone had a great autism awareness day yesterday :) --Have a great day :) , Sanjev Rajaram (talk) 19:23, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

WikiProject: Bullying

Hello!

I would just like to inform you about Proposal for WikiProject Bullying. If you have any comments on this matter, either use my talk page or use the proposal page. Thanks,

East Anglian Regional (talk) 10:01, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Urgent

This project needs to re-activate, as there is a serious issue throughout the Autism article base. A biased user is trying to game the system to press Autism in a negative light. User:Ylevental has promoted people who hate it such as Jonathan Mitchell, David Miedzianik, Benjamin Alexander, Thomas McKean and has tried the same with Thomas Clements and Jill Escher. He created National Council on Severe Autism for the same reason and has tried to promote Donald Triplett, NeuroTribes and In a Different Key negatively. He has also tried to snow AfD nominations for most recently Julia Bascom as well as John Elder Robison, Jim Sinclair, Autistic Pride Day, Wrong Planet, Aspies for Freedom, Amy Sequenzia, the Autistic Self Advocacy Network and Autism Network International. He needs to be watched closely as he is not adhering properly to WP:NPV and can't possibly do so. He has already admitted to a COI with Mitchell here. He has also gamed the system on Wikiquote for the record. We need users onto this and keep his nonsense in check. 2001:8003:58DD:C700:64C6:7BB2:D963:2A7D (talk) 01:57, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

I will look into this - Nolan Perry ^{Yell at me!} 02:44, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

invitation to an RfC regarding Bruno Bettelheim

As I understand, Leo Kanner came up with the refrigerator mother theory, although not that exact phrase. And both Kanner and Bettelheim helped to popularize, although not working together. And of course the 1950s and '60s were squarely in the heyday of psychoanalysts, Freudian theory, and blaming parents for all kinds of things, including a child or teenager being on the autism spectrum, being LGBTQ, having learning differences such as dyslexia, etc, etc.

Our Request for Comment is entitled 'RfC: how to cover someone who doesn't have credentials for their field?'

The specific question is entitled 'Should our lead sentence describe Bettelheim as a "child psychologist"?'

Talk:Bruno Bettelheim#rfc_7DDF8CC

My goal is to neither be timid nor go overboard with the quality references we already have, and perhaps some additional references as well. I want us to summarize our references right down the line, no more, no less.

If this topic interests you, your participation is of course very much welcome. Thanks. FriendlyRiverOtter (talk) 20:18, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Potential BLPs To Do

• Judy Endow
• Maxfield Sparrow
• Amythest Schaber
• Rudy Simone
• Sara Jane Harvey
• Joe Biel (Microcosm Publishing)
• C.L. Lynch

Just finished the page for Judy Endow, but I thought I'd list some other autistic people I think are notable enough to add to Wikipedia, in case anyone was looking for a project to do. --Anomalapropos (talk) 02:41, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Work to be done

So there's a lot of work to be done on autism Twitter, eh? I really think autism should be pointing to autism spectrum by now, as per DSM-5 and most current discourse. It's possible the current article there should be renamed 'classic autism' or 'Kanner autism' or something.

In any case, both pages need a lot of work, bearing in mind that this is likely to be somewhere people come when they are first actively trying to learn about autism. There is much pathologising language that could be rewritten without compromising Wikipedia's NPOV policy. In fact, the heavily medical and deficit-based framing used in many places should be understood to represent a quite specific point of view on the autism spectrum, and one which many autistic people (as well as many psychologists, family members and other interested parties) do not share. --Oolong (talk) 21:39, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Very much agreed that autism should be pointing to autism spectrum. I also think low-functioning autism, high-functioning autism, and Asperger syndrome should all be on a single page as well. I imagine there's a lot of overlap between all of those pages. --Anomalapropos (talk) 02:48, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Donald Triplett's 86th birthday - 8 September 2019

Triplett's - Autism's first child and now one of the most recognised autistic elers - birthday is coming up this Sunday.

I wondered if anyone was working on his article for that day? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.237.106.200 (talk) 03:59, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Graduated Electronic Decelerator

There is a device called the graduated electronic decelerator that is used to apply electric shocks to autistic people as a way to control behavior. The UN has declared that use of the device is torture, but nonetheless, it remains in use. Here is a video of the device in use. The device is notable enough for its own article, but doesn't have one yet. Interested editors may participate at Draft:Graduated Electronic Decelerator. --Wikiman2718 (talk) 17:28, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

References

Future of the project

I've spent a couple of weeks trying to get a feel for why the Autism related articles in WP are out of date, and think we would benefit from some reasonable discussion about how to go through an update process. I've a few suggestions of what we might think about:

• Converge the Autism Spectrum/ Aspergers and Autism articles into a single article that reflects current thinking - The current breakdown reflects a very late 90s view and things have moved on a lot.
• Update Neurodiversity to more reasonably reflect the reality, and the association with other neurodivergent conditions.
• Challenge some of the industry received wisdom around behavioural training, and articulate some of the issues with that.

The first of those is a pretty big job, and likely to lead to some resistance from long established editors. Any thoughts? Random Acts of Language (talk) 15:14, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

@Random Acts of Language: 1) I don't think that Autism Spectrum/ Aspergers syndrome should be merged, because Aspergers syndrome has unique relevance as a historical term. The diagnosis is also still in use by some. I think that a better solution might be to rename Autism to Classic Autism, so as to avoid confusion between "Autism" and "Autism Spectrum". 2) I agree that Neurodiversity needs some work. It's on my list of things to do. 3) I have been working a lot on behavioral training related articles recently. See Ivar Lovaas, discrete trial training, and applied behavior analysis. Definitely read the Lovaas article. This is what it looked like before I got to it. The encyclopedia could use some more info about the connection between Lovaas and modern behavioral methods. A number of articles are currently whitewashed.--Wikiman2718 (talk) 18:09, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

The solution to all our problems

Check this out. You're welcome. (I am not humble). --Wikiman2718 (talk) 02:53, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool

Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Adding to the Project

Hey, I was looking at the template, list, and category, of films related to autism with the goal of improving constancy and was just asking how I should handle this as I am a new user All hail Armok (talk) 21:28, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

RfC -- Request for Comment -- on Bruno Bettelheim

Hi,

Interested persons are welcome at an RfC on Bettelheim (University of Chicago, from 1944 to '73). The specific question is:

Should our lead sentence describe Bettelheim as a "self-proclaimed psychologist"?

RfC on lead sentence

If this topic piques your interest, please dive on in! Thanks. FriendlyRiverOtter (talk) 21:10, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Disability rights movement

Perhaps someone from this WikProject can help out a student editor working on this article as part of a Wiki Ed class. Specific details can be found at User talk:Shalor (Wiki Ed)#Need Help Changing a Wikipedia Title. Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:36, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Request for comment about Greta Thunberg

If you are interested there is a request for comment about Talk:Greta Thunberg#Picture change. AnomalousAtom (talk) 10:47, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Shooting of Eyad al-Hallaq

Hi, I've been wondering for days whether to include his article within this project. Would you think it's okay? Thank you. CoryGlee (talk) 12:07, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Self-advocacy

Hello, I'm trying to improve this article, mostly by changing the sections and deleting un-encyclopaedic content. I need help with it, most notably with expanding the history section (from someone knowledgeable about the history of self-advocacy who also knows good sources), trimming the "reception" section and maybe figuring out what other sections this article could benefit from. I am asking this wikiproject because I hope someone here could be interested in making it a good and useful article that could be C or maybe even B class. KamillaŚ (talk) 19:59, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I already rebuilt the article to some degree and now i'd like some overlook and input from other people, so this topic could have a better article. KamillaŚ (talk) 22:24, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Update to peer review page

Hi all, I've boldly updated your project's peer review page (Wikipedia:WikiProject Autism/Peer review) by updating the instructions and archiving old reviews.

The new instructions use Wikipedia's general peer review process (WP:PR) to list peer reviews. Your project's reviews are still able to be listed on your local page too.

The benefits of this change is that review requests will get seen by a wider audience and are likely to be attended to in a more timely way (many WikiProject peer reviews remain unanswered after years). The Wikipedia peer review process is also more maintained than most WikiProjects, and this may help save time for your active members.

I've done this boldly as it seems your peer review page is pretty inactive and I am working through around 90 such similar peer review pages. Please feel free to discuss below - please ping me ({{u|Tom (LT)}}) in your response.

Cheers and hope you are well, Tom (LT) (talk) 00:25, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of Inertia (anxiety) for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Inertia (anxiety) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Inertia (anxiety) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Mathglot (talk) 00:30, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Greta Thunberg § BIAS Alert: Why does the article start with Health (mental health)?

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Greta Thunberg § BIAS Alert: Why does the article start with Health (mental health)?. The issue is whether discussing her mental health early in the article biases it. There is a suggestion that it should be moved to the bottom of the article. Sundayclose (talk) 00:33, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

ADHD in Women

Hi, I am very interested in creating an ADHD in Women article. A lot of research has been done on this topic and more girls/women are getting diagnosed. I feel that the importance of an article to summarise the research for women considering diagnosis or recently diagnosed and their friends/family (and let's be honest, their health care providers too) is increasing because the numbers of people to whom it is relevant is increasing. However, I've got some problems

1. I myself have ADHD and therefore have issues with follow-through. I need others to help because I will just peter out without others to get me going.
2. I have a biased view on the topic because I am a woman with ADHD and a disability advocate.
3. I am used to writing about ADHD in an academic context and may not be able to write in an accessible way.
4. I am new on wikipedia and don't know a lot of things (e.g. how one creates a new article).

I have also posted this to psychiatry, psychology and the ADHD article.

Thoughts? Xurizuri (talk) 03:29, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Anybody willing to make a History of Autism fork?

The Autism#History section is just large enough to justify making a fork article History of Autism which I think could become ten times as lengthy and heavily referenced. It's kind of notable that we currently jump from "Bleuler used the term in 1910 and it was picked up by Hans Asperger in 1938 but not recognized as a separate diagnosis until 1981". There are a lot of works about autism between 1910 and 1981 and I'd love to see them used as references tracing the history of thought on the diagnosis and its differentials, etc. HLPD (talk) 19:54, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Request for Comment on Music (2021 film)

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Talk:Music_(2021_film)#RfC_about_the_neutrality/balance_of_this_article,_and_which_type_of_English_to_use.? - A discussion on which form of english should be used, and also about the ongoing controversy surrounding the film 188.220.86.46 (talk) 20:08, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Barnstar

I added this without informing the project, but then I saw a userbox in the template section rejecting the Autism ribbon. I just wanted to know if this is acceptable. Jerm (talk) 01:51, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

I am going to boldly insert back the barnstar. Jerm (talk) 15:33, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia should Celebrate Autistic Pride Day

Upcoming 18th June is Autistic Pride Day.

Can wikipedia celebrate that day, such as by showing an infinity badge on the front page?

Where is the right forum to discuss this proposal? Regards.

RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 04:09, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

What other autism-related stub articles are there I can add the stub template to?

I realize the to do list hasn't been updated for years now, but is there anything I can do to help?

Taeluta (talk) 06:45, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Neurodiversity Celebration Week draft

Hi

Neurodiversity Celebration Week has been in draft for months now and I was wondering whether anyone has time to have a look at it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki54321editor (talk • contribs) 11:25, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Merge Autism and Autism Spectrum Help

I think we should merge autism and autism spectrum but I need help doing so since I don't know how to and there's a lot to fix. Please go to my talk page or respond here if you're willing to help. Queenofconfusion (talk) 22:07, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Autism and sexual orientation article

Hey! I have recently created the Autism and sexual orientation article. I am not an expert in the area but I couldn't see the topic mentioned elsewhere. If anyone here has any additional information, or could look over and check what I have put in the article is accurate, I would greatly appreciate it! --Bangalamania (talk) 19:16, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Autism Featured Article review

I have nominated Autism for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. --Bangalamania (talk) 18:20, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Merge proposal notification: Regressive autism into Autism spectrum

A merge of Regressive autism into Autism spectrum has been proposed. Please join the discussion. --Xurizuri (talk) 09:10, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

You're welcome to suggest improvements for this article on "Autism in China"!

Dear all,

This is my draft article page on "Autism in China": https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Autism_in_China#Diagnosis

I am drafting a Wikipedia article on "Autism in China", a topic which I believe deserves more awareness and information to find in. It has notability and which should have its own article, since there are few attempts to synthesize information on this topic.

It is my first time ever writing an article though, so may I ask if someone would like to make suggestions on: 1) Organization (Overview — Epidemiology — History and progress, etc.) 2) Grammar and tense (should I stick with present tense throughout?) 3) Sources and citations 4) I tried to upload a poster image of the movie "Ocean Heaven" to the Media coverage— Ocean Heaven section, but it says I don't have the copyright. What should I do? https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/File:Ocean-heaven-chinese-movie-poster.jpeg (this is the file link)

Thanks in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ha.susulat (talk • contribs) 00:17, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

CfD about psych diagnostic tests

Hey, there's a discussion at CfD that involves an autism category. It's a batch nomination about renaming the categories for psych diagnostic tests, which includes the autism testing category. --Xurizuri (talk) 15:01, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Autism Barnstar

Should the Template:Autism Barnstar be updated in congruence with the WikiProject to remove the puzzle pieces for the rainbow infinity? I'm not sure if barnstars are still actively given, but I thought it might be good to bring it up here. ~BappleBusiness^[talk] 20:13, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

BappleBusiness absolutely yes - if you're able to do that it would be great --Xurizuri (talk) 03:12, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind doing so. However I don't know how to edit the barnstar image to switch out what it's using. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:07, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

I just created File:Autism Barnstar 3.0.png (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for exactly that purpose. It's not an amazing barnstar but it's what I could cobble together easily and it's better then puzzle pieces for sure. I'm going to add it to the template now, or at least attempt to.

Update!

		The Autism Barnstar
		test

casualdejekyll 22:22, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Tagging BappleBusiness, Xurizuri, and Blaze Wolf casualdejekyll 22:23, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

This is really great! I'm in full support of this one. ~BappleBusiness^[talk] 22:30, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

@Casualdejekyll: I would make the infinity symbol a bit bigger. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 23:03, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Try this new one on for size! casualdejekyll 23:19, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

@Casualdejekyll: That's good! ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 23:21, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

		The Autism Barnstar
		test

It looks good, thanks for doing this! --Xurizuri (talk) 03:02, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Please update symbolism and language

The puzzle piece sign generally used to indicate autism is a puzzle to solve.
The ribbon sign indicates autism is a tragedy
The blue colour got deeply associated with misinformation about autism.
The persons first language ("person with autism") is perceived as moderating the language, as if autism is something to not mention.
These symbols have been propagated mostly by neurotypicals.

In contrast, autistic communities feel discomfort with that neurotypical-led symbolism
the Rainbow infinity sign is used to indicate infinite potential.
It is used as a sign for autistics to "be ourselves". It is a pride sign
Many autistics themselves want "Light up RED" or "Light up GOLD" campaign ( instead of blue ) as they associates the warm colours with taking autism as gift.
Autistics often prefer an identity-first language ("autistic person"), i.e. autism isnt something to be ashamed of nor "tip-toe" around.

Its quite disheartening to see Wikipedia is still using old, neurotypical led puzzle piece and ribbon symbolism. It need to be thoroughly updated with a positive attitude towards autism. RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 04:30, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm gonna be frank and add my voice here: that puzzle symbolism makes me as an autistic person feel very uncomfortable and unwelcome. It makes me think of Autism Speaks, a hate group that wants to stop people like me from existing so that we don't inconvenience ableist neurotypical people. It tells me that WikiProject Autism is about what neurotypical people think about us and like I'm probably just going to be shouted down about my own experiences by neurotypical people if I participate. It's not okay. onpon4 (talk) 04:00, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

I’m also autistic, and I agree with this. I think our WikiProject should change its symbols, as well as focus on removing person-first language from articles. HopHoppipHarvest (talk) 20:34, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Yep definitely agree. I'd say at this point, absolutely just be WP:BOLD and change them (I'd do it but I'm bad with files). --Xurizuri (talk) 05:57, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm figuring it out. I'm going with File:Neurodiversity Symbol.svg for now. --Xurizuri (talk) 11:13, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

@RIT RAJARSHI, Onpon4, and Xurizuri: I want to clarify that the puzzle logo does NOT "indicate autism is a puzzle to solve" at all. That's simply the Wikipedia logo. Why did you remove File:WikiProject Autism logo, July 2014.png? —Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 11:54, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Est. 2021, it's completely fair if that's how you interpret the logo, but it's not how some other people understand it, as evidenced by multiple people saying that it bothers them. Whether or not it was intended to look like the rainbow puzzle pieces used by groups like Autism Speaks, it is still interpreted that way.

The reason I removed the logo is that there was consensus. There was almost a 5 month gap between the original post and me changing it, during which time multiple people had expressed support to replace the old logo and no people had expressed any desire to keep the logo. --Xurizuri (talk) 14:59, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

@Xurizuri: That's not "how I interpret it", that's its actual meaning. The Wikipedia logo has nothing to do with groups like Autism Speaks. You made a legit change, respecting the guidelines; but you made it on the base of a fallacy. You can't repudiate the very logo of this encyclopaedia. —Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 15:48, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

@Xurizuri: From my understanding, you are saying that the Wikipedia logo is offensive to Autistic people (which I'm austistic and don't find it offensive whatsoever) because it uses puzzle pieces. If that is true then basically anything with puzzle pieces can be considered offensive to people with Autism, including puzzles! However, I do agree that the globe WikiProject Autism logo doesn't look very good with having a color assigned to each individual puzzle piece. IF we were to continue using the globe logo then I think it would make sense to change it from being individual colors, to having a gradient, similar to the rainbow infinity symbol above. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:59, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

For transparency, Blaze Wolf (and myself) were made aware of that discussion via this Teahouse thread. (I have nothing substantive to contribute to the discussion.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 19:23, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Woah woah woah, calm down, when did anyone say the Wikipedia logo was offensive to autistic people? The opener of the section was talking about the Wikiproject Autism logo, which appears to evoke Autism Speaks' puzzle piece imagery with the colors. casualdejekyll 19:40, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

That was simply what I had been told. I asked for context and was told the same thing. I was asking for context so I wouldn't misunderstand what was going on which appears to have happened here. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:07, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, the issue is with the combination of the puzzle pieces and the colors. The usage of puzzle pieces in the Wikipedia logo doesn't appear to be bothering anyone, it's the colorful puzzle pieces reminiscent of the colored puzzle pieces of Autism Speaks. casualdejekyll 21:54, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Ah ok. Maybe it would be better if the entire globe was a gradient instead of each puzzle piece having a specific color? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 21:57, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Yep, can confirm, the issue is with this specific logo and with it being used specifically to represent this project. It would be preferable in my opinion to avoid having puzzle pieces in the autism project's logo at all (again, clarifying, no issue with them in unrelated and site-wide logos), simply because the association with colourful puzzle pieces does still exist and because there are a fair number of other options. And apologies, I should've been more careful not to imply that all Autistic people find the colourful puzzles offensive. I definitely could've been more clear that some of us have an issue with it (enough people that the issues should be taken seriously) although a fair number are also fine with it, like yourself Blaze Wolf. Thank you also to Tigraan for saying how you found this. --Xurizuri (talk) 03:16, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

I probably would find more offense to it if I had more experience with what Autism Speaks is. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 03:19, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Est. 2021, oh I see, thank you for explaining. The thread at Teahouse also helped a lot to understand, it definitely would've been really helpful if you'd mentioned that here when you made it. To clarify, the issue is not with the wikipedia logo. The issue is specifically with colourful puzzle pieces being used to represent an autism spectrum project. The wikipedia logo itself is not a problem, no one's got an issue with puzzle pieces existing in the world, or with them representing any group, organisation, etc. that doesn't exist specifically for autism. I hope that clears up some of your concerns? And also, genuinely, thank you for caring enough about this to have concerns. --Xurizuri (talk) 03:31, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Excuse me. Personally, the rainbow variant of the Wikipedia logo doesn't look offensive to me. It's... awkward-looking and loud. George Ho (talk) 07:53, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

That sounds like it's offensive to you, albeit in a very different meaning of the word "offensive"... it's been replaced anyway, so. casualdejekyll 22:20, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Like him, don't take any personal offense to it or anything, but I do find the aesthetics to be an assault on the eyes; it's garish to the point where it actively distracts from anything else on the page. I'd be perfectly happy without feeling the need to use some symbol (the neurodiversity thing doesn't cut it for me, but that's also a matter of personal taste/lack thereof), for what it's worth. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 17:26, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Merge request: autism/autism spectrum

An editor has requested for Autism to be merged into Autism spectrum. Since you had some involvement with autism or autism spectrum, you might want to participate in the merger discussion (if you have not already done so).

The common use of the word 'autism' is precisely synonymous with 'autism spectrum disorders'. It's extremely weird that Wikipedia still doesn't reflect this, nine years after DSM-5 removed the separate diagnostic subcategories, especially since 'autism' was already widely used to refer to the full spectrum for many years before that.

I really don't think an obsolete diagnostic category, of only historical interest, should be what people read about when they look up 'autism' on Wikipedia. Oolong (talk) 13:57, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Well, the "good" news is, if you look at the page views for the terms, they're actually mostly looking up aspergers (although, autism is still the 2nd most common). --Xurizuri (talk) 04:30, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for that! How interesting that this is still the case almost nine years after it was taken out of the DSM; it looks like it's remained reasonably constant since 2015, although there was a jump in low-functioning autism in 2018 for some reason. Google Trends tells a very different story: there were times in the past where 'Asperger Syndrome' was as common a search as 'autism' and 'Autism Spectrum Disorders', but it now gets around half as many searches as either of those. Interestingly, in the UK 'autism' has pulled way out ahead in the last few years, probably because of its extremely widespread use to refer to the whole autistic spectrum; there's a similar but less pronounced trend in the USA.

I suppose this suggests that Wikipedia's Asperger Syndrome page is linked to much more prominently than the pages on autism/autism spectrum, for whatever reason, or else that other sites just have better-linked content under the latter titles. Oolong (talk) 11:04, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Should we officially transition our articles from PDDs to Autism spectrum?

The DSM-5 has used "Autism spectrum disorder" for almost a decade. There are many kids who have been diagnosed with ASD who were born well after the change. And now, the ICD-11 (released 2018, endorsed 2019, came into effect 1 Jan 2022) also uses the term. The neurodiversity/autism rights movement viewpoint understands autism as part of the normal spectrum of human variation. While the previous terms are still used colloquially or in lay contexts by some, they are previous terms, or sub-terms, at the very least. So, should we transition our articles to reflect that?

Either way, this project would involve:

• Renaming articles, e.g. History of Asperger syndrome would become History of the autism spectrum, and potentially discussion about naming conventions
• Renaming categories, e.g. the topic Category:Autism becomes Category:Autism spectrum and the set Category:Pervasive developmental disorders would become Category:Autism spectrum disorders (the PDD one is an explicitly medical category, so using the term "disorders" is appropriate there)
• Changing language used in our main articles
• Potentially reworking or merging articles about the diagnoses (e.g. PDD-NOS), likely involving discussion at the individual article level.

It'll be complicated at the article level, but the scientific consensus (as demonstrated by the two main systems) is clear - the PDD system is outdated. My strong view is that we should update our approach as soon as possible.

Thoughts? -- Xurizuri (talk) 12:15, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Notified: Talk:Autism, Talk:Autism spectrum, Talk:Asperger syndrome. Xurizuri (talk) 04:45, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Transitioning the names to the new names you proposed would be a good idea. Historyday01 (talk) 03:16, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

I think this is a good idea (and my suggestion below is related). The only thing I'm not sure about from your list is renaming Category:Pervasive developmental disorders. Although PDD itself is no longer a diagnosis, there are articles in that category which are not considered ASDs today - e.g. Infantile neuroaxonal dystrophy, Rett syndrome. Perhaps if there's no real scientific backing for PDDs as a group of disorders, the category itself shouldn't exist at all? Averixus (talk) 11:22, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with Infantile neuroaxonal dystrophy but I just did some quick searching, and it seems that most sources refer to it as a "neurodegenerative" or "neurological", "genetic" or "inherited" disorder. Maybe the PDDs category should indeed be renamed to ASDs, but we just need to check whether each page actually belongs in that category after all. Averixus (talk) 11:27, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Neurodiversity and Neurotypical merge proposal

I've proposed that Neurotypical be merged into Neurodiversity. Please join the merge discussion. --Xurizuri (talk) 11:05, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

General taxonomy of autism-related articles

In relation to User:Oolong's proposal to merge autism and autism spectrum, it seems that we could use a bigger tidy-up of articles on autism related pages. There are a lot of pages which represent outdated diagnoses or seem to have closely overlapping subjects. Here's a list of all the articles I've found which I think should be checked for possible merging, renaming, or other improvements. Averixus (talk) 19:06, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

General articles (merging may be required):

• Outline of autism
• Autism - 43010 characters (6362 words)
• Autism spectrum - 47615 characters (7040 words)

Specific, outdated diagnostic categories (most articles should probably remain, but be checked to make sure they reflect current perspectives on the in/validity of the diagnosis in question):

• High-functioning autism - 8480 characters (1255 words)
• Low-functioning autism - 8353 characters (1229 words)
• Nonverbal autism (does this need to be separate from the above?) - 10777 characters (1613 words)
• Asperger syndrome - 37045 characters (5452 words)
• Diagnosis of Asperger syndrome (does this need to be separate from the above?) - 14184 characters (2086 words)
• Pervasive developmental disorder - 7734 characters (1164 words)
• Pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified (does this need to be separate from the above?) - 3932 characters (586 words)
• Childhood disintegrative disorder - 3668 characters (562 words)

Related or ambiguous diagnostic categories (articles should remain, but be checked to make sure they reflect current perspectives on their relationship to autism overall):

• Pathological demand avoidance
• Autistic catatonia
• Social communication disorder
• Nonverbal learning disorder
• Conditions comorbid to autism spectrum disorders

General "__ of autism" articles (most should probably remain, but be checked to make sure they don't have excessive overlap with other articles, and to make sure everything is cross-referenced where relevant):

• Mechanism of autism
• Causes of autism
• Heritability of autism
• Epidemiology of autism
• Epigenetics of autism
• Autism and memory
• Autism and working memory (does this need to be separate from the above?)
• Sex differences in autism
• Autism and LGBT identities
• Discrimination against autistic people
• Societal and cultural aspects of autism
• Global perceptions of autism
• Autism spectrum disorders in the media
• Controversies in autism
• Vaccines and autism
• MMR vaccine and autism (does this need to be separate from the above?)
• History of Asperger syndrome

This is really helpful, thank you! It also feeds into what @Xurizuri: was proposing above, which seems eminently sensible. One interesting question is how many of these articles with 'autism' in the title are specifically about 'Kanner autism' and how many are about the autistic spectrum more broadly? My guess would be that they're overwhelmingly the latter, but this is something we'll need to bear in mind in evaluating them all. Oolong (talk) 21:07, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the work, Xurizuri. Is it ok if I edit the list to add article sizes? That might help with discussing which articles to take a look at first. A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Please ping me! 10:29, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@A. C. Santacruz: Feel free! Averixus (talk) 11:00, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

I'd suggest putting this into a table, along with a column containing a sentence or paragraph summarising the content on the page. I know there is some overlap for example between Low-functioning autism and Autism insofar as they both state in their respective leads they are about Classic autism, however Classic autism itself is a redirect that points at Low-functioning autism only.

On a related note, is there an easy way to find all autism related redirects on wiki? As these too likely will need to be updated and retargeted at some point during this process. Sideswipe9th (talk) 17:10, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm not much of a pro at wiki tables - I'll try to reformat it at some point but if anyone else wants to jump in and do that please go ahead.

Each page has a Help:What links here page which can be filtered to show only redirects, but I don't know if there's a way to collate all redirects from a group of articles (other than manually). We could maybe add a redirects column to the list of pages above so we can keep track of which things might need updating. Averixus (talk) 17:22, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

I've added some metrics, Averixus. I think I'll leave the rest as is. A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Please ping me! 17:30, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't want to have credit for someone else's work, so just noting that it was Averixus that made this (you've probably already realised, but just to make it clear for anyone reading back on this). That being said, I did actually make a similar-ish list, which I'll put into a subsection below. --Xurizuri (talk) 00:48, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Various comments on the taxonomy. It may be worth considering merging high- and low-functioning autism (I'm not particularly sure on this). Also, the NVA article mostly consists of a theory of causes of autism, and issues with research and prognosis which would merge well into autism or autism spectrum. Diagnosis of Asperger syndrome could be re-scoped to Diagnosis of autism spectrum, because it's already part of the way there (it does a fair amount of comparison). As you can see in the section I made below, the "of autism" articles have very heavy overlap. They're also a breeding ground for pseudoscience. --Xurizuri (talk) 01:55, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

I haven't looked through the articles' current content, but I'm doubtful on merging high-functioning and low-functioning. Before the diagnosis was universally ASD, most diagnostic systems were split into two broad groups according to "severity" (quotes because I know we all know that's not how it actually works!). If we do decide to merge some of the historic diagnostic categories I think it would make sense to do:

• Low-functioning autism, classic autism, Kanner autism, severe autism (?), nonverbal autism
• High-functioning autism, Asperger syndrome, mild autism (?)

If we do go that route, we'd need to find plenty of sources showing that those terms are considered close enough to synonymous. But if we're treating them all as now-defunct historic diagnostic categories, then maybe merging them doesn't really matter? They can just each be probably-fairly-short articles on the specific history and criteria for the outdated diagnosis, and then refer back to the main article for the current treatment on autism overall. And the main article in turn could have a section about outdated diagnoses that refers down to all of them.

I agree about re-scoping Diagnosis of Asperger syndrome, assuming that the article contains enough (good) content to be worth keeping at all as a standalone. Again I'm basing this mostly on titles for now because I haven't had time to comb through all the existing articles' content yet. Averixus (talk) 09:52, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

One aspect that I was unaware of until just now, and that will have an impact on some of the textual updates is the publication of the DSM5-TR later this month. I've not been able to find out what the proposed changes are for the autism diagnostic criteria however, only that there will be some. Sideswipe9th (talk) 20:38, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

This article lists ASD as having diagnostic criteria revised "primarily for clarification". So it sounds like the classification and categories probably won't change, just the criteria for the diagnosis itself. Still something to incorporate when it comes out though, for sure. Averixus (talk) 20:56, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Tree of top-level articles

I made this a few months ago based on how WP:SUMMARY says to use {{main}}. Basically, it's when there's a parent article, and then there's a spin-off that gets summarised and linked to in the parent. It works like a family tree. I went through and mapped the tree - however, if it was a family, it would be very incestuous, so there's a lot of "see under another tree" throughout. You'll see there's a lot of duplication of the same content - for example, Causes of autism largely replicates Vaccines and autism, rather than sumamrising and linking to it, per WP:SUMMARY, or being merged due to overlapping scope.

The lists are formatted so that the highest-level article is first, before the start of the list. The first level of the list is articles that are summarised in the highest-level article, and the second list level is articles linked and summarised in the first level article. So, if the article Canis summarised the article Dog, which in turn summarised the article Pitbull, the tree would look like so:

Canis

• Dog
  • Pitbull

Hopefully that makes sense. Anyway, feel free to add notes to the list, but please don't change the ordering (unless the actual articles have changed). --Xurizuri (talk) 01:33, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Autism spectrum

• Causes of autism
  • See under "Epidemiology of autism tree"
• MMR vaccine and autism
  • See under "Vaccines and autism tree"
• Vaccines and autism
  • See under "Vaccines and autism tree"
• Conditions comorbid to autism spectrum disorders
• Autism therapies
  • See under "Autism therapies tree"
• Epidemiology of autism
  • See under "Epidemiology of autism tree"
• Societal and cultural aspects of autism
  • See under "Societal and cultural aspects of autism tree"

Asperger syndrome

• A section of Societal and cultural aspects of autism
  • See under "Societal and cultural aspects of autism tree"
• Causes of autism
  • See under "Epidemiology of autism tree"
• Diagnosis of Asperger syndrome
• Autism therapies
  • See under "Autism therapies tree"
• Epidemiology of autism
  • See under "Epidemiology of autism tree"
• Conditions comorbid to autism spectrum disorders
• History of Asperger syndrome
• Societal and cultural aspects of autism
  • See under "Societal and cultural aspects of autism tree"

Autism

• Causes of autism
  • See under "Epidemiology of autism tree"
• Mechanism of autism
• Autism therapies
  • See under "Autism therapies tree"
• Epidemiology of autism
  • See under "Epidemiology of autism tree"
• History of Asperger syndrome
• Societal and cultural aspects of autism
  • See under "Societal and cultural aspects of autism tree"

High-functioning autism

• Causes of autism
  • See under "Epidemiology of autism tree"

Rett syndrome

• Treatment of Rett syndrome

Low-functioning autism

• A section of High-functioning autism

Controversies in autism tree

• Epidemiology of autism
  • See under "Epidemiology of autism tree"
• Heritability of autism
  • See under "Epidemiology of autism tree"
• Vaccines and autism
  • See under "Vaccines and autism tree"
• Facilitated communication
  • List of abuse allegations made through facilitated communication
• Autism rights movement
  • See under "Societal and cultural aspects of autism tree"

Epidemiology of autism tree

• Heritability of autism
  • Epigenetics of autism
• Causes of autism
  • Heritability of autism
    • Epigenetics of autism
  • Epigenetics of autism
  • Opioid excess theory
    • Lancet MMR autism fraud
  • Refrigerator mother theory
  • MMR vaccine and autism
    • See under "Vaccines and autism tree"
  • Thiomersal and vaccines
    • See under "Vaccines and autism tree"
• Conditions comorbid to autism spectrum disorders

Vaccines and autism tree

• MMR vaccine and autism
  • Lancet MMR autism fraud
  • Omnibus Autism Proceeding
  • National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program
• Lancet MMR autism fraud
• Thiomersal and vaccines
  • Omnibus Autism Proceeding
  • National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program

Autism therapies tree

• List of schools for people on the autism spectrum
• A section of Applied behavior analysis
• Pivotal response training
• Relationship Development Intervention
• Son-Rise
• Treatment and Education of Autistic and Related Communication Handicapped Children
• Sensory processing disorder
• A section of Autism rights movement

Societal and cultural aspects of autism tree

• Savant syndrome
  • Epidemiology of autism
    • See under "Epidemiology of autism tree"
• Autism and LGBT identities
• Autism rights movement
  • Neurodiversity
    • A section of Controversies in autism
  • Autistic art
  • Autistic Pride Day
• Global perceptions of autism
  • Autism rights movement
    • Neurodiversity
      • A section of Controversies in autism
  • Neurodiversity
    • A section of Controversies in autism
• World Autism Awareness Day
• Autism Sunday
• Autistic Pride Day
• Autism spectrum disorders in the media

Other top-level articles with no ongoing tree

• Pervasive developmental disorder
• Pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified
• Fragile X syndrome
• Childhood disintegrative disorder
• Nonverbal autism

This is fantastic, thank you! Really useful to see how the currently existing articles are structured in relation to each other. This should help a lot with knowing what needs to be restructured and how. Averixus (talk) 09:35, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

@Averixus How closely is this "taxonomy" reflected in the article category tree? I believe it should be as close to an exact match as possible. Do keep this in mind and make adjustments as neccessary. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:20, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources

Main page: User:Headbomb/unreliable

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

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Problems with the neurodiversity entry

It's still pretty obvious that sections of the neurodiversity entry have been written by someone with an axe to grind against the whole concept, even though I don't think the editors involved are really around any more.

Judy Singer, who originally formulated the concept, has argued on its talk page that the page is full of errors, and needs a complete rewrite, and she's certainly got a point.

There are more authoritative sources available on this than there used to be: besides her own thesis, published a few years ago as 'NeuroDiversity: The Birth of an Idea', there are other books including The Neurodiversity Reader, Neuroqueer Heresies, Autistic Community and the Neurodiversity Movement and a much larger number of academic papers than there were a few years ago.

I'm still pretty busy with autism spectrum, but at some point, someone really ought to sit down and rework that page. --Oolong (talk) 08:23, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

I made a decent start on this a couple of weeks ago. Meanwhile a student in an assignment added a nice chunk on neurodiversity in the media.

It could still probably do with reviewing. Oolong (talk) 21:00, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Fixing up the 'autism spectrum' page

There has been a lot of talk about how badly Wikipedia's top-level autism pages need fixing up, so ahead of the planned merger with autism, I'm working on major revisions of autism spectrum for a start. At the moment the article is very poorly structured, with a lead section stretching over several pages, so I've drafted a concise replacement opening section, currently on its Talk page. Comments very welcome: [2] --Oolong (talk) 15:07, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Autism spectrum has finally merged with 'autism' and there's been quite a bit of editing of the page, but in a fairly haphazard manner, as far as I can tell; some problems fixed, some new problems introduced, no real structural improvement.

Just to update on the status of that. Oolong (talk) 16:58, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

what to do with List of films about autism?

List of films about autism is quite a mess as it stands.

• Most of the entries have unreliable sources like IMDb user-generated lists, or lack inline references.
• It currently contains both non-fiction and fiction films. (Previously they were mixed together but I've split them into separate sections)

Fiction-wise, this pages is basically a worse version of the film section of List of autistic fictional characters. They should have the same list of films, so I don't see why we need to have a separate page with the same content (unless "a film about autism" is a distinct subset of "films in which an autistic character appears", though that has been asked before and never answered).

I was thinking that maybe all of the fiction information should be consolidated to List of autistic fictional characters. Unless there is a specific reason to keep a separate page for films specifically? I do not know enough about the criteria for list pages to tell. But then the non-fiction stuff on List of films about autism can go on its own page (like "List of documentaries about autism" or something, so that it lines up with the category Category:Documentary films about autism) And the category Films about autism has to align with the film section of List of autistic fictional characters. TheZoodles (talk) 15:48, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

I see the appeal of your suggestion - it's very logical - but I'm not sure. Would it be much harder to find autism-themed films if we did this? Oolong (talk) 17:26, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

That is a good point, I had not yet considered that. There is still Category:Films about autism which contains the most common keywords "autism" and "film" so my guess would be that people would end up there if they're searching for "autism movies". I do not know if that is okay? So I see the point of keeping a separate page. But that would contain a large amount of duplicate content from List of autistic fictional characters, which I also do not know if that's okay?

If we keep the page, is there a way to sync the film section of List of autistic fictional characters into the fiction section of List of films about autism? Or would we have to manually make sure they are the same? Regardless of the maintenance, I think it's best to merge both lists and make sure they are the same on both pages. (and then make sure that it's also the same as Category:Films about autism)

(and then there's the other issue of List of autistic fictional characters becoming quite hefty at 100k characters, and there have been suggestions of splitting it into separate pages for movies, series, books, etc. It's fairly manageable at the moment but I have found dozens more characters that would qualify for inclusion on the page so that's definitely something that would also need to be considered at some point in the future. But one issue at the time.) TheZoodles (talk) 17:59, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Categorizing people as autistic

I think people are being overcategorized as autistic. It should only be done if it is a WP:DEFINING chracteristic per WP:Categorization/Ethnicity, gender, religion and sexuality#Disability, intersex, medical, or psychological conditions. The categories are have loads of people added who have been disgnosed with it but it has not been noted as particularly important in their lives or to what they do. I came here from the Julian Assange article where they categorized him that way because in an extradition court they said he has asperger's and depression and would be endangered in a US prison. NadVolum (talk) 23:34, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 23

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Discussion at Category:Wikipedia autism

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ABA controversies

As anyone who's spent any time around any autism community will know, ABA is a controversial practice.

As anyone who's spent any time on Wikipedia will know, we don't always deal terribly well with controversies!

I've opened a Request for Comments about the ABA page, in the hopes of helping it to better reflect the balance of opinions on the this topic, and the nature of ongoing disagreements.

Discussion is lively, but perhaps it could use more input from more people who know about autism?

[3] Oolong (talk) 08:08, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments

Quality assessments are used by Wikipedia editors to rate the quality of articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

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BLP Category Names

In keeping with identity-first language and the reclassification of Asperger syndrome, can we rename Category:Artists with autism and Category: People with Asperger syndrome? ImSirLaserOwl (talk) 20:21, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

I can file a CfD for Category:Artists with autism to Category:Autistic artists. We should also rename Category:People on the autism spectrum to Category:Autistic people. Should Category:People with Asperger syndrome be merged into that or be retained as a separate category? MaxHarmony (talk) 17:10, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

I think changing category names to identity-first language makes sense. Category:People with Asperger syndrome is a more complex case because there are people who have been diagnosed with Asperger syndrome, but never diagnosed or identified as autistic (clinically or otherwise). For that category, it's probably better to do a case-by-case evaluation of each article. —siroχo 09:50, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

I support the proposal as well.--TempusTacet (talk) 18:43, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Is "classic autism" a common and established term?

Currently, the article on the condition first described by Leo Kanner as "autistic disturbance of affective contact" in 1943 and shortly after as "early infantile autism" (which the DSM-IV calls "autistic disorder" and the ICD-10 calls "childhood autism") is covered in an article titled "classic autism".

While this term is certainly sometimes used in the literature in reference to the condition/diagnosis, I have failed to find a source for this and have found that it is by far not the most common term used. I've summarized my findings at Talk:Classic_autism#Origin_and_use_of_the_term_"classic_autism" and would appreciate any hints or insight regarding the origin and use/prevalence of this term.--TempusTacet (talk) 09:37, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Classic autism#Requested move 27 July 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Classic autism#Requested move 27 July 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Frostly (talk) 12:50, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Disability Arts Nonprofit Article for Submission

Hello everyone! I was wondering if anyone involved in the autism talk space would review this article for submission. It’s about Creativity Explored (CE), a nonprofit in San Francisco that hosts a day program for developmentally disabled adult artists. Located in the Mission District and Potrero Hill, CE functions as a studio-based collective, currently offering over 130 artists art supplies, training, exhibition and sales opportunities. CE is a 40 year old nonprofit that has a strong nuclear community and is a proud part of the broader disability community. It’s one of three sister organizations founded by Florence Ludins-Katz and Elias Katz, two trailblazers in the Bay Area disability rights movement whose legacy has led to CE operating with a person-centered thinking approach. I am an AmeriCorps VISTA in Community Development serving at CE so I wanted to disclose that and welcome any notes on bias and/or promotion that is inappropriate. I’d appreciate any time you take to look the article over and provide feedback, thank you! GeorgiaMKC (talk) 16:38, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Recent open access paper that might prove to be a useful source.

This recent open access paper seems possibly useful as a source for a variety of autism-related articles. Here's the citation:

Pellicano, Elizabeth; Heyworth, Melanie (2023-08-08). "The Foundations of Autistic Flourishing". Current Psychiatry Reports. doi:10.1007/s11920-023-01441-9.

—siroχo 02:57, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Sluggish cognitive tempo#Requested move 12 August 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Sluggish cognitive tempo#Requested move 12 August 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —usernamekiran (talk) 08:39, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Invitation to October 2023 Neurodiversity Edit-a-thon

You are invited to an October 2023 Neurodiversity Edit-a-thon 12-13 October, 2023. Event page: Wikipedia:Meetup/Neurodiversity/October 2023 My regards! Hexatekin (talk) 20:28, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

FAR for Digital media use and mental health

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Good article reassessment for Mental status examination

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Nomination of Diagnosis of Asperger syndrome for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Diagnosis of Asperger syndrome is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diagnosis of Asperger syndrome until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Skvader (talk) 16:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

"With autism" versus "autistic"

See this discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:41, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 30#Category:Autistic LGBT people

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Discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 30#Category:People on the autism spectrum

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Discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 8 § Category:Wikipedians with Asperger syndrome

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 8 § Category:Wikipedians with Asperger syndrome. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 16:20, 8 June 2024 (UTC)