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Metro Walk

The article has been merged. Merging does not require a consensus (it can be done BOLDly), but I had one anyway. After more than a week of discussion, two people said the article wasn't independent enough of the Richmond Station, only you didn't. Explanation of my closing rationale can be found at Talk:Metro Walk. Furthermore, using a rescue template in a merge discussion is complete misuse of the template Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 14:39, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Dude you are the only one that supported the merge and I opposed, so no you can't. That is not a consensus, more opinions would be needed.LuciferWildCat (talk) 02:58, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

LWC, I'm working on Proletkult so no time for this one. Good luck with it though. Carrite (talk) 04:24, 5 January 2012 (UTC) (Are you two knuckleheads still fighting with each other?!?!)

Wow cool article, thank you for taking the time to respond. Your input on the merge would be useful if you cannot help edit. Thank you and happy new year.LuciferWildCat (talk) 00:00, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

ani

please notify purpleback of the discussion Nobody Ent 03:51, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Metro Walk

Lucifer, thanks for calling my attention to the "Metro Walk" article. I have put my comments there. Basically I think the article SHOULD be merged. There is little or no independent reliable sourcing to support the (unusual) inclusion of a whole separate Wikipedia article about a 130-home housing development. However, I would like to see it merged to "Downtown Richmond" rather than to the train station article. It's part of a neighborhood, not part of a train station.

If I could offer some personal advice: Please try to develop some perspective. I know you are passionate about Richmond, and that's good, but that doesn't mean that every little aspect of Richmond needs to have its own article, and it doesn't mean that every suggestion about merging or combining or even deleting articles has to escalate into World War III. Instead of fighting desperately to preserve this article, why not use the information in it to improve another article - for example Downtown Richmond, Richmond, California which is seriously in need of expansion and updating? All the information about the Metro Walk could be put into that article, and I am sure there is a lot more that could be said about downtown Richmond. Many times the best way to improve Wikipedia is to expand and improve existing articles. --MelanieN (talk) 17:26, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for giving in your two cents, I just want to be able to resolve any issues asap and get back to working on the content itself without constant unproductive and contentious reverts. My general problem is that I personally feel that the merge is just a mean spirited way to get to me by PBP. I also think its the wrong place to even suggest a merge and even after repeatedly explaining this I was ignored by him which gives him and anything he wants to do with this article no credibility whatsoever. I do like Richmond topics a lot, I feel the city has a bad rap and deserves better more thorough coverage. Having said that if something is not notable it isn't and I am fine with that and the community's decisions even from deletionists but people like PBP that just go around with a jagged razor and don't improve or create have little value to this project. I do believe that since the topic has multiple articles about it that cover it in depth, although PBP keeps removing sources which I feel is just an attempt to discredit notability and my efforts to copyedit, and that this represents notability for this topic separate from any station or 'hood. I do respect your difference of opinion and really harbor good feelings toward you for your professionalism in these manners and really would like to thank you for attempting to help out. I will definitely work to improve the downtown article as well and will add it to my queue. I will say that I don't go around creating Richmond article but I have a soft spot for them and improving them is just what I am interested in doing. That is how I stumbled upon Metro Walk and I worked hard to improve the city council articles and also many that are up for deletion or rescue.LuciferWildCat (talk) 23:59, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Tiang language

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I only proposed deletion on the grounds that it was not notable. I still stand by that but if/when you improve the article I will change my mind. It is your job to convince me ( and the community) that the article you are writing is necessary. I only proposed it I didn't even nominate it so no worries. Please don't remove the tag though.Zzaffuto118 (talk) 19:06, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't drag it out. I don't really care. But you are very rude and you will continue to have problems with other users if you don't change your attitude. All things are not notable unless they have references and you can prove that it matters. When I first tagged you article it was because A) It was poorly written/cited B) It was marked for patrol C) After reading your article it sounded unnotable. I only proposed deletion, proposed, that means you could have simply removed my tag and life goes on (which you did). No I didn't have time to read up on the language as there is a huge backlog of pages. I don't want to sound rude but your writing style (on that article)was very lacking. The article is starting to look better so I have no reason to delete it. If you don't want to worry about these tags anymore then keep improving. Have a good day Zzaffuto118 (talk) 19:24, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm not looking for a fight. I never was... I agree with you now. I certainly think the article is notable now and wouldn't think of proposing deletion. I just want you to be aware of the fact that you don't need to bite off my head for tagging your article. I am a new page patroller, I simply look at new pages and tag them and move on. I'm sure a couple of people out there would have tagged your article too. I'm just upset because you seem to think that its necessary to bully this point. I haven't contradicted myself, I simply stated that now I agree with you about the notability. Zzaffuto118 (talk) 19:42, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

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Re: Metro Walk

Hi LWC - you wrote: Hi, you have edited Metro Walk and this article is currently under a contentious debate...

Yes, I did - I stub-sorted it five years ago. That's it. I doubt I'd be much help in the debate :) Grutness...wha? 01:15, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough :) Grutness...wha? 08:38, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

pbp

This is friendly advice on how to do with your PBP:

• First, just stay off their talk page. At this point, nothing good will come from you posting there.
• If emails from them are unwelcome, just delete them or set up a filter in your email reader.
• You can disable the "E-mail this user" option from this page Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-personal Nobody Ent 03:52, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

I appreciate this, I just didn't think that it would come to this. I don't think I should have to deactivate that option but if he e-mails me again I will do just that.LuciferWildCat (talk) 04:14, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Notability of primary schools

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion that all primary schools ought to be considered notable, but you also ought to realize that consensus is against you on that issue. Repeatedly advancing the same argument is unlikely to shift consensus. Going to battle against PurpleBackPack is also not useful, in my view. Please consider that pretty much everyone observing the situation agrees that you two should stay away from each other. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:31, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes I am and I will continue to advance it. Notwithstanding there is no consensus on the notability of schools below the secondary level. In fact their are hundreds if not thousands of articles on them and many of them are kept. It is hard to find the sources as they are usually in old newspapers but simple verification is not hard, but deletion and merging prevents organic growth from what are usually inexperienced users that are unlikely to understand how to go about slow growth within a district/diocesan/subdivisional article. PBP started nominated Richmond articles and also Catholic school and other school articles just to spite me. In fact if I had not brought it to his attention I don't think he would have ever began his mass nomination of Catholic school articles. I believe also that my argument has been refined and that eventually I will be able to convince others that all schools are notable. And in fact they are because they always have references they are just likely to be on micofilm not the lazy-easy-convenient google books/internets. Don't get me wrong I love the ease of the web but just because it's not on there doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I have a thorough interest in rescues and AfDs and as long as PBP keeps nominating I would likely keep running into him through commenting on them, or improving the articles. The problem is that PBP makes too many AfDs for me to completely avoid him but I am not by any means stalking his edits, but if gutting is involved especially without and sincere attempt to improve first, I will edit the article and find sources.LuciferWildCat (talk) 17:32, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Not everyone disagrees with him. And you shouldn't discourage people from stating their opinions. Many people argued for years that high schools were not notable, but eventually things changed. The more people see others stating the same opinion they have, the more likely they are to go take it to the relevant guideline page and argue to change things. Dream Focus 08:11, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

I know you are being helpful but I don't think he is exactly discouraging me, I think he just wants me to look better at ANI due to an ongoing dispute with PBP. Having said that I do find it annoying that I would be discouraged from a minority viewpoint, the opposition should be happy and rest in the fact that the school articles will often be deleted and that it's therefore not needed to chastise users that oppose that. Who knows maybe the deletionists are scared of a good argument or future change to policyLuciferWildCat (talk) 17:39, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

I am discouraging neither of you, and appreciate what both of you are saying here, and also both of your contributions to this encyclopedia. I agree with what I perceive as the current working consensus at AfD that most secondary schools can be presumed to be notable and that most primary schools (with a small percentage of exceptions) can be presumed to be non-notable. Sure, there are many articles about primary schools remaining here, and I will support keeping that small percentage (be it 1% or 10%) with clear and demonstrated evidence of historical or architectural significance. I recognize that this is an imperfect compromise, as most compromises are. However, compromise, as I see it, is a useful and necessary technique for streamlining the disposition of a large number of relatively similar cases. Improved and well-referenced articles almost always survive AfD, in my experience. And my experience is based on helping save many such articles myself. I do not like the "deletionist" versus "inclusionist" label very much here on Wikipedia, but it is an imperfect and limited but somewhat useful continuum for describing an editor's philosophical approach. Though I have participated in roughly a thousand AfD debates, I have only nominated one article for deletion and regretted that. Philosophically, my inclination is toward inclusionism, but in terms of practical application, I concede that many articles should be deleted. Call me a "moderate" if you want to assume good faith, or call me a fence sitter or an equivocator if you wish. But I end up agreeing with the consensus nearly 90% of the time.

I do not chastise you, LuciferWildCat, for advocating the position that all schools are notable, though I disagree. I just think that a "meta" discussion is the proper venue for that debate, not ongoing trench warfare in every primary school AfD debate. I am not "happy" when any article is deleted, even an article about a garage band that started twanging just last week. Instead, I see such deletions as part of maintaining the integrity of the world's greatest encyclopedia, and rest happy knowing that even the deleted garage band articles are not gone forever. Any article can still be userfied by an administrator and restored to main space when that obscure garage band records the next big hit song. Or when a major publisher issues a book that gives significant coverage to a primary school in American Canyon, California, which just happens to be my home town. I make that remark as the lead author of American Canyon High School. Please don't nominate that article for AfD. It is a secondary school, after all. Thank you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:28, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

As for what you describe as PurpleBackPack's "spite", a simple visit to his talk page will show that I (and others) have taken him to task repeatedly for his recent interactions with you. I am simply trying to encourage you to avoid any interactions that could possibly be construed as inflaming or inciting this most unfortunate situation. On another matter, I have an idea for a Richmond related article. The recent unpleasantness has inhibited my ability to propose new article topics to you. Perhaps we can talk more when things die down. I hope so. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:43, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

I appreciate the essay and all the time you must have put into it. I am not trying to tear down every school article that is a lost cause, I just feel AfD comment happy sometimes and I do vote to delete at times as well.LuciferWildCat (talk) 06:36, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

File:Pbp89emailss.JPG

I've removed this image from your comments on WP:ANI. This is a speedy deletion candidate no matter which Wikimedia website you uploaded it to. First of all, you should not be uploading or pasting the content of private emails to Wikipedia without the permission of the writer. Second, it's a screencap of Gmail. Screencaps of anything are not allowed on the Commons and you clearly do not own any of the content in the image so you are not the "copyright holder" so you cannot release it into the Creative Commons. In the future, either don't do this in the first place or just use Imgur.—Ryulong (竜龙) 07:27, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Just upload it to a free image hosting site. They got plenty of those out there. Then you can link to it. Dream Focus 07:59, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Its still not allowed. Copyright issues for the sender and all.—Ryulong (竜龙) 08:00, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

You can't copyright an email you send someone. Fair usage laws cover that. Someone sends you an email, you can post it and show people what it says. Dream Focus 08:11, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

I was under the impression that you needed the other person's permission to post the contents.—Ryulong (竜龙) 09:55, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Legally or per Wikipedia policy? Don't think so. In any event, it's unwise to post the contents; the PBP / LWC situation is one in which that party that ceases interaction with the other first will leave a much better impression in the community. Nobody Ent 12:42, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

I believe its true if someone sends you a message they have no expectation of privacy, if they call you however then you need their express permission to record or you enter wiretapping territory. In any case this was done to prove he was sending me harassing e-mails and it was done in good faith. It protects PBP from the scenario in which I could claim he said things he didn't and it protects me from the possible claim from PBP that he did not say what I copypasted that he said.LuciferWildCat (talk) 17:35, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Request; hounding?

Hello Lucifer. Happy new year. I don't recall any extended or consistent interaction with you in the past, but we have both been commenting -- starting with the last day or 2 -- at the same school AfDs. Such as yesterday at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/St. Martin of Tours Catholic School and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/St. Joseph's School (La Puente, California), where we had direct interaction, and differed. Though we often disagree, and I have raised questions as times as to the content of your comments, I appreciate your participation.

I was, however, surprised to see today, in the wake of those 2 interactions -- despite the fact that we had rarely run into each other in the past -- you appearing at AfDs I had initiated on completely different topics, such as at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Annand Pura and at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Indus Resource Center, where you took the other side. The articles in question are non-school AfDs. Given the above circumstances I couldn't help but wonder if it might be more than a coincidence. On the off-chance that that is the case, I would kindly request that you not hound me, as that is considered less than the best form and generally frowned upon at the project. If it is just a coincidence somehow, then no worries -- I appreciate your input. Many thanks. And again, best wishes for a new year.--Epeefleche (talk) 21:52, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

I am not hounding you in any way and you should be careful to not use that term, I myself was blocked for using it when referring to PBP a while back. In any case, I have a lot of interest in AfDs, especially schools and California related topics. It was brought to my attention that many schools were up for deletion by you so I took a look a look at your edit history, the school related deletion discussions history, and the california related deletion discussions history as well. It wasn't meant to hound I just took an interest in the subject, left my opinion and have moved on. You should note that I voted keep, merge, redirect, delete, comment, and keep or delete for probably a hundred different AfDs today so the focus isn't really on you, it's on the AfDs themselves. Have a great day.LuciferWildCat (talk) 22:34, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Also since it has now come to my attention I say you should be bold and merge any elementary school mini-stub into its district, but not if you are not willing to add the content or a sentence or two to that article.LuciferWildCat (talk) 22:36, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

ani

In addition to the advice I gave you before about disengaging with pbp, it would a very good idea to stay off of ANI unless an editor other than pbp asks you a question. Not responding to an unfounded accusation is a sign of strength, not weakness. Nobody Ent 03:45, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Are you sure, I am concerned about his what I see as a talent at making very spurious claims, how should I go about dealing with that? I would hate that he is able to misrepresent my statements or warp my actions into something that they are not in the minds of others. Also would it be okay to report further actions on his end such as his wiktionary or email related contact of me?LuciferWildCat (talk) 05:29, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Not to butt in on a conversation here, but I am concerned about this still unresolved battle between you and PBP. I would like to see you able to free yourself from it, which would be beneficial to you AND Wikipedia. If you recall, one of the points of my "proposal" (which was never officially accepted) was that neither you nor PBP should initiate any ANI actions; if you felt something needed to be called to the community's attention, you were to ask some other editor to make the complaint for you. I still feel that was good advice and I would urge you to follow it. If you keep running to ANI every time he looks at you crossways, you are going to irritate the community so much that you could both be censured. I'm sure you felt the community's disgust at the constant back-and-forth between the two of you. If you could show yourself to be the "bigger person" here, by ignoring small provocations, it might help everyone. So I agree with Nobody Ent: avoid ANI. i if you feel a provocation is so great that it needs to be brought to the community yet again, ask someone else to bring it for you - and stay out of the resulting discussion as much as possible. --MelanieN (talk) 18:15, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Experienced editors reviewing postings on noticeboards (including ANI) neither believe nor disbelieve posted statements -- they look at the evidence themselves and make their own conclusions. That's why WP:DIFFs are so helpful and important. Therefore, the best way to deal with a spurious claim is to not respond at all but merely monitor the conversation. If the claim is spurious there will be no responses from others or they'll just indicate the complaint has no merit.

Wiktionary is an entirely separate project from English Wikipedia, so any issues there have to be discussed there and shouldn't be brought up here.

I sincerely doubt pbp will email you again. If they do, follow Melanie's advice and ask for assistance on someone's talk page -- you're welcome to use mine. Nobody Ent 19:18, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

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Final Warning

I'm on the verge of asking for my bit back. The next one of you or Purplebackpack who brings a baseless complaint to ANI gets blocked. This is the end of the line. There is no sanction on PBP that prevents him voting at AFDs. Do not refer to him, respond to him or post about him at any forum. Just ignore each other and you will find your wikipedia experience much less stressful. There will be no further warnings. Spartaz ^Humbug! 20:36, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

A few words. What do you mean by "bit back"? How was my complaint at all baseless and under what rules can I not make any comments there? If there is no sanction for him making any comments as the consensus showed how is there any sanction for me bringing an issue to ANI? Under what authority are you making such a claim of this being a final warning? And how can there be a final warning without you having issued me any preliminary warning here on my talk page? Thank you.LuciferWildCat (talk) 22:22, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

• Spartaz is referring to their administrative tools as "bit". Your complaint was baseless in that no one saw any merit in it--it was baseless based on consensus. Preliminary warnings have been issued plenty of times in the ANI threads you started and participated in; there is no requirement that they be issued here. FWIW, I am an admin, and I've mentioned to Spartaz that I fully agree with them; no doubt the others involved at the previous threads feel the same way. That you still claim that your complaints need to be heard by administrators and other editors suggests a case of WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT--the multitude of claims and the time and server space they take up on the noticeboards is a form of disruption. But I don't pretend to speak for Spartaz. Drmies (talk) 22:50, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
  • That does sum up nicely where I am coming from. Spartaz ^Humbug! 06:11, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
• I understand that but how can it be that I have to follow warnings and the other party does not and I cannot report the violations?LuciferWildCat (talk) 23:10, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Lucifer, a couple of points:

• 1) I was not the "main moderator" at the earlier discussion; I cannot be, since I am not an administrator. I did make a suggestion, and a lot of people commented favorably on it, but it was never formally ratified.
• 2) One of the points of that suggestion, and one that you really REALLY need to take to heart, is that neither of you should start an ANI discussion. Period. If you feel there is something going on so egregious that it simply must be reported, in spite of the community's exasperation with your quarreling, you were supposed to ask some uninvolved editor to start the ANI for you. And if the uninvolved editor declines to do so - to let it go.
• 3) It is unreasonable to expect PurpleBackPack, or anyone, to go and research the history of every article at AFD to find out who all has edited it, before they are allowed to comment on it.
• 4) What Spartaz is saying: they used to be an administrator, but recently resigned as an administrator and gave up their tools. But they are getting so fed up with the constant squabbling between you and PBP that they are inclined to ask for their tools - their "bit" - back, just so they can ban you. "Under what authority" - Spartaz, or DrMies, or any other administrator has the power to block a user from posting. It is not a power that they use lightly, but rather to protect the encyclopedia from disruption or other problems. You, with your constant running to mommy every time PBP looks at you crosswise, are a disruption and a problem. Any administrator has the right to block you - or PBP - or anyone else who is causing problems. Constant squabbling about "who started it" or who is following policy better can become a problem, and in the case of you and PBP it has.
• 5) If you think there haven't been any previous warnings, you haven't been paying attention.
• 6) What part of "just stop it, you guys" hasn't been clear? --MelanieN (talk) 23:54, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

LWC, I wrote this essay last month in response to a similar situation. No one is interested in refereeing squabbles between editors; continuing to post about pbp on ANI will likely get you a block for disruption, if not from Spartaz then from another administrator. They (administrators) have accepted both the authority and responsibility to keep Wikipedia running smoothly by passing through the WP:RFA process. Melanie and I have been trying to help you, but it's up to you to decide what is more important; continuing to make valuable contributions to Wikipedia by continuing to edit, or continuing this attempt to battle other editors. When two editors are going at it, it only takes one to be the more mature one and end the conflict by disengaging, I decided to talk to you because my analysis was that you were the more reasonable editor. Please don't prove me wrong. Nobody Ent 00:44, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Allrighty.LuciferWildCat (talk) 00:51, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

LWC,you are struggling to follow this, because my take is that you do not understand how wikipedia works. Enough editors have offered to work with you and, god knows, you have been offered enough advice, but your basic approach is that you are right and everyone else is wrong. Consensus is not a head count of involved editors and there is no consensus that Puplebackpack has any formal restrictions. What there is, is a deep frustration with the disruption caused your (collective) continual niggling and winding up of each other. I am not currently an admin, but was one from 2007 until earlier this month. I resigned the tools in good odour and can be an admin again at any time by just asking.

Any user can be blocked by an admin to prevent disruption to the project. That is actually no requirement to warn and an admin can use their judgement about where/when a block is necessary. There are three reasons why you have not already been blocked. a) because we no longer have enough admins for someone to just get fed up and drop the hammer. b) You clearly mean well but do not understand the issues - we have been assuming good faith but AGF only goes so far. Finally, c) you are making encyclopaedic contributions and that usually earns you an extra pass. But enough is enough. This silly argument is now sucking in too many other editors who would otherwise be making useful content contributions. This is why is it is disruptive and this is why it ends today.

One final word. There are many editors who delight in drama and there is also a small group of very inclusionist editors, some of whom like to poke deletionists as an esoteric version of playing the man rather than the ball. I see some bleed over into this issue by some of those editors (I am being very careful not to name names). If these editors are advising you behind the scenes then you are being very badly served. I strongly recommend that you find a trustworthy mainstream user to coach you on how wikipedia works and to help you understand all the little subtexts that are going on in the background. This is a very political and complicated project to participate in. If you want my advice, you should ask MelanieN to help you, if she hasn't already washed her hands of you that is. Spartaz ^Humbug! 06:11, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

• If someone has done you wrong, keep a record of it on your computer. Just copy the link to the edit history in a text file on your desktop and save it. They may keep coming back time and again making personal swipes at you every chance they get, then trying to act like they are the victim. It helps to keep track of things in case that happens. Try to ignore them, and if they attack you point out how inappropriate it is and mention the rules to them. I haven't read your interaction with this other person, so not sure what's going on, but had problems in the past with others, most of which are thankfully no longer around. Somethings to consider:

1. When people say you don't understand how Wikipedia works, it usually just means they disagree with you, and want everyone to do things their way. Don't let them bully you into changing or leaving the project.
2. In AFD try not to reason with the deletionists. They have the insane mentality that anything they don't like is crap, and should be eliminated from the Wikipedia, and that they are somehow helping and improving Wikipedia by deleting hordes of articles that couldn't possible be harming it. You can not reason with such people. See [1] for more details.
3. In AFDs, don't say all schools/fire departments/churches/police departments/etc get coverage and are therefore instantly notable. Instead, say the one being nominated specifically is notable, and find references to back that up.
4. When you see someone going around mass nominating things for deletion, you aren't allowed to follow them around to every one to try to counter their arguments. You are only allowed to follow them if you agree with them. Strange how the system works, but that's basically it. You can look through things found on the same Wikiproject of course.
5. Whenever someone waste everyone's time in a pointless AFD nomination, please inform them of WP:BEFORE and explain to them how they could've easily checked for reliable sources themselves and found them. Dream Focus 07:37, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

I rest my case. Dreamfocus what on earth are you doing inserting yourself into this discussion. It doesn't concern you and following your advice could very swiftly see this editor blocked. Spartaz ^Humbug! 07:53, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Specifically what advice of mine would get him blocked? Dream Focus 08:00, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

DF, you are so not helping. LCW is not going to get blocked for arguing against deletion, even if they do so citing incorrect policy or whatever. LCW, you are NOT going to get blocked for participating in AfDs (unless it's disruptive or whatever, but I haven't seen that). You are NOT going to get blocked simply for not knowing all the policies and guidelines, though you might be pointed to those guidelines.

Dream Focus's message seems to be "them deletionists are going to block you because you are an inclusionist"--to borrow one of DF's words, that's insane. What gets Spartaz and MelanieN and me and others is the bickering and complaining at ANI--it has nothing to do with what DF is suggesting. DF's division of editors in inclusionists and insane deletionists is an unproductive and incorrect scheme that seems to be borrowed more from American politics than from reality at WP.

DF, "what advice of mine" etc? Well, "When people say you don't understand how Wikipedia works, it usually just means they disagree with you" this is bullshit--you were incorrect for instance about what WP:KEEP says. I trust you know by now what it means, and that's all there is to it. I pointed it out because it has a specific meaning and should not be thrown around lightly since it can imply bad faith. I would have said the same thing had the shoe been on the other foot. DF knows me long enough (though chances are they don't like me) to give me a bit more credit than that. The problem with statements like that is that they imply that everyone but you (and Dream Focus) is wrong, and that's precisely the kind of thing that brought us here in the first place. In other words, they are suggesting you persist in a way of thinking that has turned some editors away from you and that can never be productive.

I think you're an asset to the community; you clearly have interests and want to write about things, and that's all great. Contributing also means following certain policies and guidelines and rules of engagement--well, Spartaz, Melanie, and I have pointed those things out. We live and learn, all of us, except, perhaps, Dream Focus, if they insist on division into camps and on explaining everything as if it were a party-political issue. All the best, Drmies (talk) 15:12, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Spartaz made a comment above mine about a certain group of inclusionist, it obvious who he was talking about based on past history. And when I said deletionists, I was thinking of the die hard people, the ones who see coverage for something, but still say delete because its either not in the article yet or they don't believe the person is notable no matter what, etc. As far as people saying you don't understand AFD, I was thinking of Yaksar's comment at [2]. That seems like obvious bullying to me. You seem to be ranting off the specific topic here. And most of the articles I say Keep in, do get kept, so policy and guidelines are on my side, as the closing administrators usually have sense to realize. Dream Focus 16:11, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

What past history are you alluding too? I have no recollection of any particular arguments with you. And to answer the point about blocking, do you serious believe that encouraging LWC to challenge PBP on their talk page about their AFD nominations isn't going to lead to a massive row, a quick trip to a drama board and blocks all round. If you don't, then you haven't been paying attention. Spartaz ^Humbug! 18:48, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

[ec] Settle down, please, Dream Focus--"ranting off the specific topic" is uncalled for, especially since I'm neither ranting nor off the topic. I have explained, above, what is problematic and what isn't. LCW is not going to get blocked over edits like this--Yaksar's comment overshoots the mark and I will tell them so ( Done). Your track record at AfD, and mine, are irrelevant here, and that some of LCW's ANI threads seem to start with AfD issues doesn't mean that the AfD issues themselves are problematic. It's the calling out of Purplebackpack that's disruptive, at least in my opinion. (And before you misinterpret me, that's not to say that that editor is without blame!) But dragging the AfD matters into this dispute only clouds the issue, and painting with a broad brush (which would color me as well) is not productive. Let's focus on the matter at hand. There are, in this thread, two admins and two seasoned editors who have given what I think is reasonable advice, none of which directly bears on AfD participation, and none of whom have called for LCW to be blocked at this point. I'm waiting for LCW to respond and to recognize that problems are perceived and that they need to be dealt with, and they can be in relatively simple way: recognition and abstention. Drmies (talk) 18:50, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Spartaz et al, I am done trying--see recent edits on [La Peña Cultural Center]]. I think competence is an issue here. Drmies (talk) 19:28, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Save the Bay

Thanks for creating an article about Save The Bay! I've been intending to do an article about Kathleen Kerr but it's been languishig on my to-do list for quite a while. Maybe this will inspire me to get working on it. --MelanieN (talk) 02:23, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Let me second MelanieN's comment. Thanks for creating an article about an indisputably notable topic. The fact that Wikipedia hasn't had an article about this group until now shows that this encyclopedia is far from finished, and that you can be a very productive editor here, if you can avoid unnecessary disputes. Well done! Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:46, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK

Well, thanks for the credit at Jim Rogers (politician). However, you might want to take a look at the formatting requirements for Did You Know. The "hook" has to begin with three periods and a lowercase "that" (in other words, so that the question reads "Did you know" "...that so-and-so did such-and-such"), and the subject within the hook has to be bolded and wikilinked. Take a look at how I did it at Jim Rogers. Also, be aware that the person who reviews your nomination will look for certain things, for example, the fact cited in the hook has to be specifically referenced in the article, and they may ask you to make changes in the nomination or the article. --MelanieN (talk) 03:23, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Actually, now that I look at it, you might want to withdraw the DYK nomination for Jim Rogers. It doesn't qualify. The article has to have been either created or expanded five-fold within the past five days. The Jim Rogers expansion doesn't come close. --MelanieN (talk) 03:30, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Oh that sucks, I thought it just had to have been done recently.=(LuciferWildCat (talk) 07:51, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Here are the requirements: Wikipedia:Did you know#DYK rules. Did you really nominate eight articles for DYK without first checking the rules?? With a quick check it looks as if these six don't qualify: Jim Rogers (not expanded enough and not recently enough), Mindell Penn (not recently enough), Tiang language (article not long enough), Richard Griffin (not expanded enough and not recently enough), John Marquez (not expanded enough and not recently enough), La Peña Cultural Center (not expanded enough), Shattuck Avenue (not expanded enough). You might want to go delete those six nominations, before people start yelling at you. And you might want to format the other two properly. --MelanieN (talk) 09:16, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Where the heck did you put those nominations? I can't find them in the proper place, which would be here Template talk:Did you know, listed under the date the article was created or expanded. --MelanieN (talk) 09:20, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Uh oh, I typed in dyk in da search>>Wikipedia:Did you know>>Template talk:Did you know>>How to post a new nomination>>and clicked the click nomination buttonLuciferWildCat (talk) 10:04, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Well, I don't know what happened, but they don't seem to be in the proper place to be evaluated. Maybe you missed step 3, which is listing your nomination page under the appropriate date (the date of creation or five-fold expansion) on the TempleTalk page. See Template talk:Did you know#Instructions for nominators. You might want to ask for help from an administrator - or you might ask Cullen, who is not an administrator but seems to know his way around pretty well. If you want to delete the six non-qualified nominations you may need administrator help. --MelanieN (talk) 18:29, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

You can place {{db-author}} on them. I looked at a couple of them and those that I saw indeed do not qualify. Thank you Melanie. Drmies (talk) 18:51, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

I will look into it and if they don't well I can make them qualify by expanding them.LuciferWildCat (talk) 19:19, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

They must qualify before they can be nominated. Drmies (talk) 19:23, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Trey Scott Atwater

A suggestion to make some users perhaps more interested in keeping the article is to change the articles name into the incident itself and perhaps a small rewrite to cover the incident more then the person himself.--BabbaQ (talk) 16:00, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Well once it is deleted I was going to recreate from my userification just that.LuciferWildCat (talk) 19:18, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

One more thing

I noticed something on your talk page. Please consider this friendly advice: we're not all young and hip, and "this is my page bitches" does not mean to me what you may think it does, and if you want it to mean what it means to me, you should remove it. Also, we don't "own" "our" pages... Thank you. Drmies (talk) 18:53, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

LOL but I am, and it should stay. And when I get old and crusty, I leave my crusts up too.LuciferWildCat (talk) 19:14, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

• You don't get it. You're talking to your visitors, not to yourself. Drmies (talk) 19:16, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
• On my talk page I am, but on my user page people are given pretty broad leeway to include whatever they want as long as it doesn't exceed in size.LuciferWildCat (talk) 19:18, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
  • Huh? You're talking to yourself on your talk page but not on your user page? People can contribute to your user page? (None of this makes any sense.) I see this: you say "this is my page bitches." That's incorrect--it's not your page--and I am not a bitch, at least not yours. I see something else: you have yet to respond to the discussion above, which directly concerns your future here. Instead, you're bickering here with me about a very simple thing: an insult on your user page. That may be a completely minor and irrelevant thing in your eyes, but why not take it seriously? You are missing another thing: that I am trying to NOT get you blocked. Drmies (talk) 19:24, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Not to butt into a private conversation, but I would be offended by this too, if I had seen it. I don't know where this comment is or what you are talking about. I have visited this talk page a dozen times in the last week and I haven't seen that gratuitous insult here. But Drmies is right: it may sound cute and hip to you (I don't know your gender or generation but I can guess). But I am an older woman, and people like me find this kind of talk offensive - especially when it is apparently directed at me. I can't imagine why you would want to provoke this kind of reaction in people, particularly people who may be trying to help you or befriend you. --MelanieN

I understand some people can be that sensitive to something such as the This is Sparta image on my user page, but it is not on my talk page as some are apparently suggesting and never has been. In fact I am not the only one to have this addon of flare to my page. Furthermore nothing is directed at you, it's kinds of just a funny reference to the film 300's "This is Sparta" slogan and a reference to it. If you mean the word bitch, it's not directed at women or anyone its just a word, in fact it's used as an interjection in the phrase "This is my page, bitches!" and is as offensive as "This is my page y'all", it's a petty complaint if someone dislikes it but no one is forced to go to my user page, my talk page I understand of course could offend others. I happen to be a 24 year old male but I could be as sensitive as an old lady or an older woman could be far more vulgar than I. No disrespect is intended toward anyone. It seems like some people just like picking fights.LuciferWildCat (talk) 22:19, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I see. It is on your user page, not your talk page. I misunderstood what DrMies said. Certainly your userpage is your own domain and you can put what you want there within reason. If you find this cute or something, you are within your rights. But just a word to the wise: if you think "bitches" is as neutral and inoffensive as "y'all," you are seriously mistaken. There are plenty of us who realize that "bitch" is, or was until recently, a vicious word, often accompanied by physical violence against the woman so named. --MelanieN (talk) 22:37, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

It's just that "cute" and it really is inoffensive, I can't imagine anyone getting offended by being called one as much as I called them "silly" or "dummy", it's only very mildly pejorative and usually endearing. Must be a generational thing cause I don't know what it would include violence against women but not men.LuciferWildCat (talk) 23:25, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

It totally is a generational thing, and you should be aware of that. A few decades ago "bitch" to a woman was as vicious and offensive as "n-----r" to a black person. Why has the vicious insult toward women become harmless and cute, while the vicious insult toward black people has become an unmentionable obscenity? I couldn't begin to tell you. English evolves - as they say, English is an open-source language - and to your generation, what you say may be correct. But you should realize that not everyone sees it that way. --MelanieN (talk) 23:54, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

I don't think nigger is very insulting at all, black people call me nigger or nigga all the time and I am white. My generation finds being told not to do things or say things in our whole lives just because others have had a bad experience to be way more offensive.LuciferWildCat (talk) 00:38, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

BTW Drmies is right about "your" pages: most people would regard your userpage to be your own domain which other people should not edit except in unusual circumstances, while your user talkpage is the place where other people can post comments to you. Please see Wikipedia:User pages#Ownership and editing of user pages and Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#User talk pages. --MelanieN (talk) 22:12, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

La Peña Cultural Center

I removed the image of the empanada. I looked on Flickr, and the only image that seems appropriate is this one, of their choir. Unfortunately it does not have the licensing that allows me to upload it to Commons. You could consider emailing the contributor and asking them if they care to a. change the license or b. upload it to Commons themselves. Good luck, Drmies (talk) 19:00, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Well the image of the empanada illustrates what they serve there and also Chilean American culture while the lack of a better image continues.LuciferWildCat (talk) 19:30, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

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Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to La Peña Cultural Center. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you. This text is clearly not neutral, even promotional. I am using a template because nothing else seems to get across. Drmies (talk) 19:27, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

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DYK

Lucifer, you are still at it - nominating things for DYK that are obviously not eligible. Please READ the requirements I linked to above. I told you that Tiang language was not long enough, and it isn't; somebody has now pointed that out at your nomination. I also told you that an article has to be expanded fivefold - in otherwords, the readable text has to be expanded to FIVE TIMES what it was - and that is nowhere near the case for Orange County Sheriff's Department where the content was not even doubled. Please don't nominate things for DYK without first checking to see if they have at least a shot at meeting the requirements. --MelanieN (talk) 00:05, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

OCSD is brand new, it doesn't have to have been expanded. I did listen, I deleted several nominations that could not make it. I understand about Tiang but I have the chance to look up more sources and expand it so I am going to do that.LuciferWildCat (talk) 00:36, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

It was a new article on December 28, but that is too long ago to be nominated now; new articles have to be nominated within five days of creation. Your expansion since then has not been enough to count as a fivefold expansion so it doesn't qualify there either. Too bad, because you had an interesting hook for that article. --MelanieN (talk) 00:40, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

I have tagged the following nominations as "not eligible" for reasons that I explained there: Template:Did you know nominations/Ocean County Sheriff's Department, Template:Did you know nominations/Shattuck Avenue, and Template:Did you know nominations/La Peña Cultural Center. I'll leave the other nominations to be evaluated by others. --MelanieN (talk) 00:43, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Dang.LuciferWildCat (talk) 09:07, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

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Lewandowska is alive, so WP:BLP1E applies. I don't know if down the road she'd just as soon as she and this incident fade from memory, but it's possible. This article will likely live for many decades at least (in mirrors and in whatever forms the Wikipedia database morphs into), keeping this event more alive than is maybe warranted. So I've PROD'd it, which you can remove but then I'd likely take it WP:AFD for discussion.

I don't mean to disparage your good work, and it's depressing to have an article you've worked on deleted, but there's not helping it in this case, in my opinion. Herostratus (talk) 19:38, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

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try to stay calm

The calmer you can be while the block is being discussed the better off you'll be in the long run. I'd suggest just taking a break from Wikipedia and letting other editors review the situation. Nobody Ent 03:55, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

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It would be reasonable to provide diffs of such edits; the ANI referenced above is in regard to article creation, not "edits." Nobody Ent 12:35, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Article creation, which, by definition, consists of edits... If you wish, I can amend my warning so that it reads "You have recently created problematic BLPs"... It really doesn't change the gist of my message. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 12:49, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Is it your interpretation that LWC violated either RS or NPOV? Nobody Ent 12:52, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Do I mention RS or NPOV? Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 12:55, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

This is not a productive path for either of us (my apologies for starting down it). Let's put this discussion in abeyance pending consensus forming at ANI; we can revisit the warning here after the discussion closes. Nobody Ent 13:20, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

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Hi, I love the new BART map that was added to the article but it has a few mistakes or omissions. It does not include the Oakland Airport connector that is currently under construction including the Oakland International Airport BART station, nor does it include the Warm Springs, Berryessa, or Milpitas on the Warm Springs and San Jose extensions that are both under construction, it also omits the new eBART extention Antioch station, in addition to the proposed Livermore Extension and it's two stations Vasco & Livermore in addition to the other proposed stations at Calaveras, Irvington, Pittsburg, and Doolittle. The map also incorrectly states how the service beyond Daly City or SFO on the Richmond-Millbrae and Pittsburg/Bay Point-SFO lines respectively operates. It's weekday and saturday nights and all day sunday. The map also leaves out the Downtown San Jose/Santa Clara extension and the intermodal connections with Capitol Corridor, Amtrak, VTA light rail, and SF Muni, and ferries.LuciferWildCat (talk) 23:24, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

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Good afternoon, I am trying to have these added to DYK and improve and expand them. I was wondering if I could get some feedback or peer review from you?LuciferWildCat (talk) 22:15, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

I've done some minor clean up for these articles. Both articles are in good form, referenced, and written in neutral point of view. What remains is that the Doctors Medical Center article needs more inline citations/sources to verify information in the article. I'm more into working on articles than reviewing them. When people work together to improve articles, it can yield very positive results. Best regards, Northamerica1000^(talk) 20:02, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

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I made another comment.--Ishtar456 (talk) 00:11, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Just to be clear, I am not saying the source can't or should not be used, but the article is to dependent upon it. All but four of your citations derive from it.--Ishtar456 (talk) 02:33, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

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Richmond Medical Center

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I don't disagree with you over rescuing the article, but it needs source to save it. I've tried to find them and failed. I think it may just be too early in the life of the phrase. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 11:07, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

I take your point about politics. I think you know me well enough form my edit history to know I care not one fig for anything except article quality. Pink Slime is disgraceful, but that would never prevent me from working to ensure the article on it was neutral, for example, assuming I became interested in editing the article. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 11:28, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

3RR

If you're unclear on it, do let me know and I can elaborate. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 08:37, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

here's some elaboration for you: [3], [4], [5], [6] -- four separate reverts (where the revert part is obvious from the edit summaries. Clear enough? Nomoskedasticity (talk) 07:01, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Pink slime

Wow, Lucifer, you certainly opened a hot one this time! I am trying to add some changes but it seems we keep getting in edit conflicts. Could you hold off for about ten minutes so I can put in some tidying up and some neutrality-balancing statements? Thanks. --MelanieN (talk) 14:37, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm done for now. I just spent 20 minutes of so revising and "neutralizing" the lead section, but then I got ANOTHER edit conflict! Fortunately the other edit was minor and I was able to work around it. I think the article needs reorganizing but I can't do anything about it right now. --MelanieN (talk) 15:30, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

The rescue template was deleted in February. Quite a discussion if I remember correctly. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 08:05, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

I was surprised. Found the discussion via the logs Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2012_February_16#Template:Rescue Fiddle Faddle (talk) 08:11, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

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Pink slime article

Nice work improving the article! Just a minor sidenote, per Manual of Style/Captions – Wording, captions that are noun phrases don't require periods at the end of them: "Most captions are not grammatically complete sentences, but extended noun phrases; for example, "The Conservatory during Macquarie Night Lights, a summer festival" (no final period), but "The Conservatory was spotlit during Macquarie Night Lights, a summer festival." (full sentence with final period)." I noticed that you included periods at the end of noun phrases in the image captions, but it's actually unnecessary! Northamerica1000^(talk) 01:13, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Lucifer. You posted at my talk page about a deletion of material from the article. I think it has already been fixed; remember, there are a number of neutral, experienced editors watching this article. I do have some advice for you about the article, however. Some of it is summed up in the section "loaded words" that I just added to the talk page:

Look, folks, let's avoid loaded and POV words where there is a neutral alternative, unless they are in a direct quote. And let's not keep inserting such words everywhere, especially in the lead. Examples: "cheap" (say inexpensive), "low grade" (one time in the article is enough, where it is talking about the USDA). And let's stop inserting adjectives, which are automatically POV. Examples: "wholesome" and "nutritious" on the one side, "slimy" and "adulterated" on the other side. There are a few of us here who are trying very hard to keep this article neutral, and "neutral" means free of POV on EITHER side. --MelanieN (talk) 15:39, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

I'd add to this some personal advice for you: Calm down! Stop going into a panic every time there is an edit you don't like; neutral consensus will eventually prevail. Stop thinking that you own the article. (You don't really have to participate in every single section heading of the Talk page, for instance.) Stop pushing obviously POV stuff like "pulverized cow anus". You are a valuable editor here, but you really need to take WP:NEUTRALITY more seriously. If you feel an article is biased, don't try to improve it by making it biased on the other side. --MelanieN (talk) 15:39, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

I'll take that advice for the most part, but with the exceptions that if it is called wholesome or slimey by some and this is verified we are not being neutral by inventing "neutral" terms for it, we should simply repeat what others have said. I find it is a disservice to not be that comprehensive when we can. I don't think I own the article but that doesn't mean that it's not something I really want to participate a lot in especially since I would like it featured eventually and I am one of the major contributors. I am glad that others are watching it and as I finished my break from school today I will nevertheless be less involved for a time. Thanks again for the compliments and advice Melanie, I appreciate it.LuciferWildCat (talk) 21:25, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

I saw that you once again added "low grade" to the lead sentence, in spite of my request to avoid "loaded words" except in direct quotes. I removed it from the lead sentence because it was already in the lead section elsewhere.[7] But then when I looked at the references for the sentence where it was used, neither of them used the phrase "low grade". I replaced the description in that sentence with a description that was supported by the references.[8][9] If you can't find a reference that uses the term "low grade" - an actual Reliable Source reference, not one of these POV blogs - then we can't use it in the article. And in any case it doesn't belong in the lead sentence. Please try harder to maintain a spirit of neutrality. I know you got involved here because there was a problem with POV pushing by the manufacturing side, and you have done good work to solve that. But now you have become part of the problem, rather than part of the solution, because you seem to be POV pushing from the anti-pink slime side.
BTW the information you put on my talk page - about the pressure group that supports pink slime - to me is not important enough or relevant enough to include in the article. --MelanieN (talk) 15:17, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Howdy

Which quote? - Sorry I'm new here. WolverineLawyer (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:54, 2 April 2012 (UTC).

I added it - does that work? WolverineLawyer (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:00, 2 April 2012 (UTC).

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Your listing at the ARS content rescue list

Please consider updating your nomination of Salvage meat at the ARS rescue list with specific rationale why the topic should be retained on Wikipedia. Another user has somewhat objected to the current structure of the nomination there. Thank you in advance for your consideration regarding this matter. Northamerica1000^(talk) 11:01, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Warning

I just posted the following at Talk:Pink slime. I want to be sure you see it so I am copying it here also. --MelanieN (talk) 19:02, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

"Warning to user:LuciferWildCat"

Lucifer, if you don't stop filling the article with inflammatory allegations sourced to POV sources - such as your latest edits which I have reverted - I am going to ask that you be topic-banned from this subject. --MelanieN (talk) 19:00, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't know what POV sources you are referring to. I added new content in good faith.LuciferWildCat (talk) 23:58, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Pleased also be warned that WP:EW may apply with yout edits. Cheers. Collect (talk) 14:49, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

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poultry paste video

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John Marquez

Please see my reply at my talk page. --MelanieN (talk) 18:17, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

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Accusation of vote stacking and stealth canvassing

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Taos

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Leslie Daigle

Any plans on initiating a deletion review? The style in which the AfD discussion was closed for this article was quite ambiguous weak, at best. Northamerica1000^(talk) 06:08, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

• Clarification (for the record): The article's AfD discussion closed as redirect to California State Assembly elections, 2012. The closer's rationale was rather generic:

"With the history deleted. Most commenters agree that there should not be a separate article on this subject."

The closer may have possibly based the closure upon a simple !vote count (against Wikipedia:Polling is not a substitute for discussion), as there was no analysis whatsoever in the closure about the addition of new sources to the discussion about the topic's notability, and many that !voted apparently didn't revisit the discussion and actually see the new sources. Also, prior to its deletion, the article was under full protection, and no editors other than administrators were able to work on improving it. Then it was removed from the encyclopedia. Northamerica1000^(talk) 19:23, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Update

• I've initiated a discussion with the closer of the AfD on their talk page, requesting restoration of the article and AfD discussion per the new sources that were presented. The topic does pass Wikipedia's notability guidelines, and is worthy of a stand-alone article. Northamerica1000^(talk) 10:36, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

San Leandro LINKS

San Leandro LINKS in a way is still not notable. It is just better "branded" but again it is not comparable to AC Transit. Even if you put all the ridership and the expenses for each individual shuttle route together (even the unlisted), they are still no more notable than some of the busiest (and historic) bus lines, which they don't get their own page.

Transit systems like AC Transit is like Golden Gate Park, which does deserve a page, but shuttle routes are like street corners, which don't. Acnetj (talk) 21:19, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

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Use of Twitter by the famous

I think the discussion was about Use of Twitter by celebrities and politicians → Use of Twitter by public figures, not to Use of Twitter by the famous. Also, the discussion only started 5 days ago. Not long enough, I think. Cheers, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:30, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Barack Obama on Twitter AFD

Do you intend to start an AFD for Barack Obama on Twitter. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barack Obama on Twitter continues to be a redlink.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:46, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

As a matter of fact yes.LuciferWildCat (talk) 23:56, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

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Richmond Fire Department

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Mapuche flag

I don't know how you get that those are the Mapuche flag. They are the Chilean and Argentinian flags. And per WP:INFOBOXFLAG, we don't decorate infoboxes with flags. — kwami (talk) 06:37, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Page move

The subject of the current article is Barack Obama on Twitter. The article contains no content on your desired topics. This article just survived an AFD on the current topic. Please move the page back and propose a proper page move. There is no consensus that the article should be moved. I will post at WP:AN regarding this.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:13, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

WP:RM is the proper place to discuss proposed page moves.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:53, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

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User:Luciferwildcat/sandbox/Communications of Barack Obama

Here's your blank proposal, just in case. --George Ho (talk) 21:47, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

I've created a sandbox version just for you to work on, okay? Be good... and bold, not reckless. --George Ho (talk) 21:55, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

You've read the message. haven't you? If so, is it in your watchlist? --George Ho (talk) 23:16, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

I think you have forgotten this. What will you do about it? --George Ho (talk) 00:54, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

What about the consensus at Talk:Barack Obama on Twitter#Make this article broader? --George Ho (talk) 00:59, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Now you've deleted it. Look, AFD and DRV decisions should not affect bold move allowed by consensus. There is no way that any "overzealous" freak may overturn the consensus without another consensus. Look at Talk:Woody Interruptus; too many posts, and no merge. --George Ho (talk) 01:06, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Also, as said in AFD and DRV, broadening the scope should be discussed in talk pages, not AFDs and DRVs, okay? --George Ho (talk) 01:07, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

See that's bullshit, the very basic structure of AfDs includes deciding "withdraw, keep, delete, merge, redirect, move, neutral/no consensus" all valid decisions, if one of those including merge or move are the consensus but it is not closed that way DRV should reiterate that and overturn it, claiming otherwise is ignoring reality. Nevertheless just you see, no one is going to let anyone move the article.LuciferWildCat (talk) 20:33, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

ANI notice

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Annalyn Cyrus AfD

Your comment there is in violation of the BLP policy and needs to be redacted. Thank you. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:24, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

You wrote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Annalyn Cyrus:

public figures have no expectation to not be criticized[11]

Which Wikipedia policy or guideline states that? The BLP policy does state that "Editors must take particular care when adding information about living persons to any Wikipedia page." AFD pages are not exempt from this. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:57, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

In addition to your conduct there (and thank you for redacting, although it should not have been required in the first place), you comment here is unacceptable. Wikipedia has no place for either sexual or racist slurs; please take more care in your comments on AfD (and elsewhere) in the future. Thank you. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:00, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

"Asian" is racist now? What would you have me say, "non-round eye american"?LuciferWildCat (talk) 21:25, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Referring to them a a "little asian boy play card club" cannot be taken as being intended to do anything but disparage them based on their race. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:31, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Middle Eastern people

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"references exist they are just not incorporated yet"[12]

Please explain how this is supposed to make sense. --Z 13:24, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Regarding "why would we have such a category", that category has nothing to do with your article. "Middle Eastern people" means whoever lives in the ME. --Z 13:26, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Obama/twitter

Hello, at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barack Obama on Twitter (2nd nomination) can you specifically address what you think has changed in the 4 days since the previous AfD was closed as a no consensus defaults to keep? thanks! -- The Red Pen of Doom 20:43, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

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Good Article Reassessment

I have commenced a reassessment of Pink slime at the GAR page here. I have flagged this also at the FAC page. Regards, hamiltonstone (talk) 12:59, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Setting the record straight

In this edit you reverted some changes made by TheRedPenOfDoom (talk · contribs) to Middle Eastern people with the edit summary:

undoing whitewashing and content removal of article and improvements made by AfD nominator

To set the record straight, I nominated this article for deletion, but have not otherwise edited it. (If I felt improvements were possible, I wouldn't have nominated in the first place.) RedPen made the sweeping changes after his !vote at the AFD. Just a minor matter. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:35, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

And per the edit summaries, it was not "whitewashing" it was the removal of improper sources being used in improper ways. -- The Red Pen of Doom 11:53, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

for example using a beauty tips book for supporting claims about some type of ethno / cultural identity. Clearly not reliable for that type of analysis. -- The Red Pen of Doom 15:54, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

A cosmetology book is a reliable source for hair and skin issues.LuciferWildCat (talk) 21:11, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Read the tag

Can you not read? it says right there in the AfD tag "Feel free to edit the article," - you must STOP returning completely inappropriate sources, such as Wikipedia mirrors and sources that do not actually support the claims and beauty books to make claims about ethnicity. You can and are encouraged to add actual relevant reliable sources that directly support article content. -- The Red Pen of Doom 11:07, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

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Barack Obama on Twitter

I'm kinda confused about what you're looking for. If you're looking for a policy/guideline based argument to delete Barack Obama on Twitter, I don't see one, and it doesn't seem like anyone else can find one either. I don't think one exists. Knowing policy isn't helpful in constructing an argument to delete Barack Obama on Twitter (indeed, it seems to be a hinderance). My guess is that in the short run, it'll be moved to Barack Obama's use of Social Media, or some other title that sounds sufficiently boring/stuffy/academic to placate the "twitter is stupid" crowd; and how it evolves in the longer term is harder to guess. It seems like articles tend to migrate to the boringest titles imaginable (maybe that's an inevitable outcome of consensus, although it makes it more like a stereotype of academia rather than actual academia, where we're usually striving for clever/catchy titles.)

Looking at the Bieber, Gaga, and Kusher ones (am I missing any?), Bieber and Gaga will probably remain merged, both because a) their plain biographies are kinda short, and b) the argument that the sources cover things they did that happened to use Twitter, rather than their use of Twitter, may have some merit in the Beiber and Gaga cases. But that's properly an editorial discussion, not a deletion discussion, and really one that depends on the particulars of the articles (i.e., thusly: Wikipedia:Summary style - but there's also an undue emphasis argument that suggests sometimes you should spin-out subpages early to keep the appropriate balance in the main article.), and I can't really say much about that - I don't know much about the Bieber and Gaga articles, I don't know much about Beiber and Gaga, and I don't think I could get up to speed without a lot of work. Let the editors at Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga figure out what makes sense for those topics.

The Kusher article is trickier - his biography is only 30K, which summary style suggests means the twitter bit didn't need to be split, but again, I don't know the content that well. The AfD clearly had some funny business (in particular, I'm hard pressed to not see the second relisting as an abuse of admin standing), but I doubt anything will be done about that in the short term (it looks like the DRV will be closed as endorse, although it's the same question of numbers vs. arguments, at least a bit). The sources for Kusher, though, are more geared towards his use of twitter, rather than things he did that happened to involve twitter, so that argument isn't very good. A cursory inspection certainly seems to suggest it's verifiable, notable, and an encyclopaedic topic - I don't see a case for deletion.

In the longer term, it's harder for me to say - it's a lot easier to say "The actor from Dude, Where's My Car?? Buddy's barely notable. I can't imagine his use of twitter is notable; I'll just argue delete off assumed facts, rather than investigating." than it is to say the same thing about Obama. But the hatred will probably die down, and at that point the outcome will probably be by policy, which is keep in the Obama case, and appears to be in the Kusher case. Gaga and Bieber - I'm not so sure. The Obama case, in particular, will become more compelling, I think, and the deletion arguments less compelling, as academics move from just Barack Obama's use of social media (e.g., [13][14] to specifically twitter ones (e.g., [15][16]) - and when it becomes impossible to pretend it's not an academic subject, I think most of the motivation to try and secure it's deletion will dissipate. I could be wrong, but the smart thing to do is probably let everything sit until people's emotions dissipate a bit, and then revisit the issue. WilyD 08:55, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I figured wait and see would work better. Ashton Kutcher is a hugely famous actor actually he has made dozens of top box office films, none are exceptional but they sell very well, you might actually enjoy "What happens in Vegas" with Cameran Diaz and him where he is the butt of most of the jokes. Which second relisting and by whom would you say was an abuse of admin standing? Do you mean the 2nd AfD or the second rationale as "keep"? Also are you aware that none of these articles are splits from their parent topic? None at all, none even have a mention of or a twitter section. They were never split.LuciferWildCat (talk) 20:53, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Well, it looks like the Obama DRV will close with endorse, and the Kutchner one could go either way, so I think anything other than waiting at the moment is likely to be unsuccessful. If you look at the Kutcher AfD, you'll see that after a week, there was sort of a weak consensus to keep, but it was relisted to AfD for a second week. That was a little weird, but probably okay (and I recognise the admin who relisted, and he's someone I respect). After the second week, there was a strong consensus to keep, but an admin instead relisted it for a third week, and made some comment imploring people to argue the delete point - in this case, it's pretty clear they relisted it so that a delete result could be generated, because they wanted it deleted; but we're not supposed to use our administrator tools to get the result we want - only when we're disinterested, and uninvolved. But such is life.

Well, "split" is a platonic ideal. I'd call List of mayors of Scarborough, Ontario a split out of Scarborough, Ontario, even though it's content was never in the Scarborough article, or History of Richmond Hill, Ontario a split out of Richmond Hill, Ontario, even though in both cases, I wrote those articles from scratch, and never put them in the main article. Wikipedia is a work in progress, so how we get to the most sensible situation is a little bit flexible, yes? How it proceeds will differ depending on which authors get their first, which sources get found first, whatever, right? WilyD 21:22, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Kutcher on Twitter is at DRV right now, it could go either way, I think (especially given all the irregularities so far. Kutcher is kind of a marginal case; sources were about his use of Twitter itself, rather than being incidental. For Gaga and Bieber, sources really were incidental, in those cases the argument that they GNG had some merit, I think. Obama both flew passed GNG (since there were multiple significant sources specifically about his use of twitter, rather than about things he did that happened to use twitter), and because there`s not really a sensible place to merge. Since a lot of the people trying to delete it seem focussed on the name (e.g., why renaming would seem to placate a bunch), I suppose it makes sense they`ve missed that the articles really don`t have much in common apart from the name. WilyD 06:30, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

I hope not AK on T is just a bunch of shit and the other manifestations by different names are patently identical except the X stands for someone else. None of them pass the GNG, they just cover the accounts of people that editors here like and they just insist it passes the GNG but none of the sources cover the actual accounts rather the owner and that is obvious to anyone with a brain since none of the articles was titled after the account in a similar fashion to say an album by a famous artist, those articles are notable because the Albums are notable, they are not titled Madonna's first album or ACDC's first album on X records etc.LuciferWildCat (talk) 18:51, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

That's not true, though. A lot of the Kutcher sources are about how he's a "twitter celebrity", or "the first twitter celebrity", things of this nature. Not that #AshtonKutcher passes GNG, but that Kutcher's use of #AshtonKutcher is notable, in a way that's specifically about using twitter, to the point where you can read articles about it and not find out anything's he's tweeted, say. Thus Kutcher's use of #AshtonKutcher passes GNG. (The Gaga and Bieber ones probably don't - they're not about their use of Twitter, beyond how many followers they have; but you can't extrapolate from one article to the other; look at them all; they're all different). You can make a more general article with Obama, because the way he's campaigned/consulted/communicated with other social media has also attracted notability; I'm not sure if that's the case with Kuchner or not. Artists's albums are a bad comparison - in a pop culture vein, one could compare more to like The Beatles in India - although Kuchter's not the Beatles (though perhaps Obama is), there's more than just products that're encyclopaedia-appropriate. Events, processes, concepts, techniques, influences.

That said, and this may be only because I'm an academic, I'd be tickled pink by a #AshtonKutcher article. That's the kind of title I'm always trying to find when I write journal articles (well, except that I'm an astronomer.) WilyD 07:15, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Beeblebrox says that the article can change into a broader topic anytime. I know you may be reluctant to change it, but there's no rush. Besides, Tony may violate the consensus if he tries to revert those changes. --George Ho (talk) 21:50, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

This article is now retitled into Barack Obama on social media. You are free to edit it whenever you can. --George Ho (talk) 02:03, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Pink slime article and "percent" format

Please see the note I put on the talk page, Talk:Pink slime#How to style percentages, explaining that the existing format of "70 percent" is a perfectly acceptable format per style guidelines, and that this format has been stable in the article for along time. Wikipedia policy explicitly tells us to leave existing number styles alone if they are compatible with guidelines. Wikipedia policy further states that it is "unacceptable" to edit-war over this issue. You have now changed the article to your preferred style, "seventy," three times. If you do it a fourth time without first getting consensus on the talk page, I will report you for edit warring. --MelanieN (talk) 02:30, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Let's keep the discussion in one place. You said,

Go ahead and report me, the styling has never been consistent and I simply attempted to standardize it based on what the MOS allows, and it highly recommends fifteen percent not 15%, 115% not 115 %, etc. In fact earlier in my editing for this article I have worked on ths before uncontroversially.LuciferWildCat (talk) 02:37, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Please show me exactly where Wikipedia "highly recommends fifteen percent". As I read it, they only "highly recommend" writing out as words the whole numbers one through nine. --MelanieN (talk) 02:45, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

P.S. Better yet, come and discuss it on the talk page where this kind of discussion belongs. I only wanted to call your attention to the note on the talk page, as well as to give you a fair warning about the possibility of edit warring. --MelanieN (talk) 02:52, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

3RR warning

At Pink Slime noting that your assertion that "it is in Wiktionary" does not mean it is not a "neologism" and that, wonder of wonders, you were the one who ceated the entry there in the first place. Kindly self-revert. Cheers. Collect (talk) 02:57, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion

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Blocked

I've blocked you for 72 hours for edit warring on Pink slime. Please review and make use of the WP:BRD cycle in the future. --Spike Wilbury (talk) 15:38, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

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Request reason:

I am not edit warring, there are some editorial disputes and I was working on compromise. I have initiated several village pump discussions and only seek consensus. Blatant content removal is something that causes some friction but I never meant to edit more than three times in one day, In fact apparently I did so thrice in 23 hours and 50 minutes and that was specifically because I thought another day had passed. There is no ongoing warring at the Barack Obama on Social Media article and I did not keep inserting the same thing again and again but rather tried to figure things out through various styles and have continued to simply talk about it on the talk page without any subsequent edits.

Decline reason:

I've declined your unblock as your unblock request does not address the reason for your block. WP:3RR is a bright line, the crossing of which will almost always see you blocked. However you can still be edit warring without breaking 3RR. Your unblock request, specifically the comment about how you thought another day had passed, suggests to me that you think that as long as you don't break 3RR you are not edit warring and so, at this time, I must decline your request. I suggest you go and read and understand WP:EW and then make another unblock request that addresses why your actions were problematic and how you will act in future. Dpmuk (talk) 04:16, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

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Request reason:

I did address it and stated that I was not edit warring, my edits were not identical I was trying to find acceptable language, I was actively seeking consensus on talk pages and at the village pump. I actually abandoned editing with regards to the percent disagreement and proceeded to discuss the matter, I was under the belief that I was simply editing the comply with the manual of style and therefore was being bold and did not initially need consensus, however everyone had a different viewpoint as to whether it should be ten percent ten 10% or 10 percent. Consensus is all I am seeking here not warring, its all in the edit history so nothing is permanently lost anyways.

Decline reason:

I carefully reviewed your edits at Pink Slime and I can see first edit, revert 1, revert 2, revert 3. WP:3RR is not a right, as others have said. The fact that the edits are not identical also isn't an exemption to WP:EW, the timing also isn't a factor because you said above that you have been watching the hours. I see that as gaming the system. Sorry, but this is clear edit warring.--v/r - TP 21:17, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

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I didn't know that, I thought that I should be careful and kept proposing new forms of saying things at that article. I wasn't waiting to do the edit. The next time I logged on I just noted that a day had gone by so It would be okay to try again.LuciferWildCat (talk) 00:45, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Decline reason:

You still don't get it, do you? Even after the explanations given above, you are still posting unblock requests in which you openly announce that you were trying to game the system. "I thought that I should be careful and kept proposing new forms of saying things" and "I just noted that a day had gone by so It would be okay to try again" are both ways of saying that you were trying to get round what you thought was the letter of the law, while violating its spirit. (The fact that you were, in fact, mistaken about what the letter of the law says, is irrelevant.) You are, in fact, saying the same things, albeit in different words, as you said above. ("I did so thrice in 23 hours and 50 minutes and that was specifically because I thought another day had passed" and "my edits were not identical I was trying to find acceptable language".) Far from unblocking, I briefly wondered about increasing the block length, since your persistent failure to understand what you have been told suggests that you may do the same kind of thing again. JamesBWatson (talk) 16:02, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

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I was not aware that you had to go above and beyond the rules. My point was that I was not editing disingenuously my intentions were not to get around rules they were to work within them. And part of an editorial dispute is to boldly suggest different ways of saying something until most people can agree on the language and that is not trying to play any game. I use this template in order to get ahold of you, I don't see the problem in dialogue, do you? Is that also against the rules but not expressly written in them?

Decline reason:

Regardless of intentions, edit-warring occured. If you want to 'suggest different ways of saying something until most people can agree', that's what the talk page is for. Also unblock templates are not to be used to 'get ahold of somebody' but to request unblocks, and for that purpose only. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:19, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

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I really appreciate it, especially since I am stuck in this at the moment, would you be a doll/bro and add it to the article for the Chevron Richmond Refinery for me?LuciferWildCat (talk) 03:53, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Looks like someone has done it for you. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:30, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

This is only a short block and I think Luciferwildcat should wait until it expires. This will give him time to read WP:3RR and WP:EW and fully understand them. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:25, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

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No this blows and a few people are just on a power trip I was not edit warring here unless everyone else involved was too but its okay Wikipedia is just taking the corporate side of things now and proponing the meat industry's propaganda now and being deceived by spurious arguments.LuciferWildCat (talk) 20:17, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

with that type of commentary, you will not get your block lifted early, so dont get your hopes up. -- The Red Pen of Doom 20:20, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

I wasn't expecting it to be lifted as the situation was never going to be fairly evaluated, being blocked for "looking like you are trying to get around the rules" and accusing me of gaming is not in good faith but they have made their decision.LuciferWildCat (talk) 22:01, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

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L.A. events on June 21 and July 6

Upcoming L.A. events: Unforgetting L.A. edit-a-thon (Saturday, June 21, 12-5pm) and Wiknic (Sunday, July 6, ~9:30am-4pm)

File:356 S Mission.jpg Gallery at 356 S. Mission Rd. Get hungry for the Wiknic! Dear fellow Wikipedian, The L.A. Wikipedia community has two exciting events coming up in the next few weeks: an edit-a-thon sponsored by the online magazine East of Borneo, and the fourth annual Los Angeles Wiknic! The East of Borneo event is an edit-a-thon that aims to build a better history of art in Southern California. This next chapter of their Unforgetting L.A. series will take place on Saturday, June 21, 2014 from 12pm to 5pm at 356 S. Mission Rd. (map). Beginners welcome! Please RSVP here if you plan to attend. For more info, see eastofborneo.org/unforgetting. The Wiknic is a part of the nationwide Great American Wiknic. We'll be grilling, getting to know each other better, and building the L.A. Wikipedia community! The event is tentatively planned for Pan-Pacific Park (map) and will be held on Sunday, July 6, 2014 from 9:30am to 4pm or so. Please RSVP and volunteer to bring food or drinks if possible! I hope to see you there! Calliopejen1 (talk) - via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:59, 11 June 2014 (UTC) To opt out of future mailings about LA meetups, please remove your name from this list.

Unforgetting L.A. edit-a-thon on September 6

Unforgetting L.A. edit-a-thon: Saturday, September 6 from 11am to 4pm

Dear fellow Wikipedian, You are invited to meet up with online magazine East of Borneo for an edit-a-thon to build a better history of art in Southern California. This next event in their Unforgetting L.A. series will take place on Saturday, September 6, 2014 from 11am - 4pm at the Armory Center for the Arts in Pasadena (map). Beginners welcome! Please RSVP here if you plan to attend. For more info, see eastofborneo.org/unforgetting. I hope to see you there! Calliopejen1 (talk) - via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:39, 20 August 2014 (UTC) To opt out of future mailings about LA meetups, please remove your name from this list.

L.A. Meetup on September 21

The 20th Los Angeles meetup: Sunday, September 21 from 11am to 4pm

Dear fellow Wikipedian, Join us on Sunday, September 21, from 11am to 4pm at Kramer Studio in Mid-City (map) for a meetup and edit-a-thon! Get to know the Los Angeles Wikipedia community and do some editing (or learn to edit!) in a collaborative environment. Please RSVP and consider becoming a member of the SoCal task force to help us improve articles about everything in the region. I hope to see you there! Calliopejen1 (talk) - via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:00, 27 August 2014 (UTC) To opt out of future mailings about LA meetups, please remove your name from this list.

You're invited! Litquake Edit-a-thon in San Francisco

You are invited! → Litquake Edit-a-thon → See you there!

In the area? You're invited to    San Francisco Meetup # 22   Date: October 11, 2014   Time: 1-5 pm   Place: 149 New Montgomery Street, 6th Floor, San Francisco, CA 94105   prev: Meetup 21 - next: Meetup 23 | All SF meetups & events The Edit-a-thon will occur in parallel with Litquake, the San Francisco Bay Area's annual literature festival. Writers from all over the Bay Area and the world will be in town during the nine day festival, so the timing is just right for us to meetup and create/translate/expand/improve articles about literature and writers. All levels of Wikipedia editing experience are welcome. This event will include new editor training. RSVP →here←. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:10, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

L.A. events on October 7 and 16

Upcoming L.A. events: Wik-Ed Women edit-a-thon (10/7, 6-10pm) and UCR edit-a-thon (10/16, 10am-4pm)

Dear fellow Wikipedian, The Southern California Wikipedia community has two exciting events coming up in the next few weeks: a Wik-Ed Women editing session downtown designed to combat systemic bias, and a Wikipedia Loves Libraries event at UC Riverside! Wik-Ed Women is a new monthly series of informal Wikipedia editing sessions for Los Angeles women-in-the-arts (though all are welcome) to contribute their expertise to Wikipedia, specifically expanding content about women artists. This second session will take place on Tuesday, October 7 from 6pm to 10pm at the Los Angeles Contemporary Archive downtown. Please RSVP here if you plan to attend. The UC Riverside Wikipedia Loves Libraries event is an edit-a-thon targeting articles related to UC Riverside, SoCal, and beyond. Join students and faculty learning how to edit! This event will take place on Thursday, October 16 from 10am to 4pm at UCR's Tomás Rivera Library. Again, RSVPs are requested here. I hope to see you there! Calliopejen1 (talk) - via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:47, 29 September 2014 (UTC) To opt out of future mailings about LA meetups, please remove your name from this list.

SoCal edit-a-thons on October 21 and 25

Upcoming SoCal edit-a-thons: UC Riverside (10/21, 10am-3pm) and Unforgetting L.A. (10/25, 9am-5pm)

Dear fellow Wikipedian, The Southern California Wikipedia community has two more events scheduled for the month of October: a water-related edit-a-thon at UC Riverside, and an Unforgetting L.A. event at the Los Angeles Archives Bazaar in conjunction with L.A. as Subject! As part of Wikipedia Loves Libraries and to celebrate Open Access Week, UC Riverside is participating alongside other Western Waters Digital Library members in an edit-a-thon focusing on water issues. Join students and faculty learning how to edit! This event will take place on Tuesday, October 21 from 10am to 3pm at UCR's Orbach Science Library (map). RSVPs are requested here. The Unforgetting L.A. edit-a-thon and training workshop will take place at the 9th annual Los Angeles Archives Bazaar, and is hosted by online magazine East of Borneo in partnership with L.A. as Subject. Join us on Saturday, October 25 from 9am to 5pm at the USC Doheny Memorial Library (map). Beginners welcome! Please RSVP here if you plan to attend. I hope to see you there! Calliopejen1 (talk) - via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:06, 17 October 2014 (UTC) To opt out of future mailings about LA meetups, please remove your name from this list.

L.A. event on November 11, and a new Facebook group

Wik-Ed Women editing session (11/11, 6-10pm), and join our new Facebook group!

Dear fellow Wikipedian, The LA Wikipedia community has a new Facebook group! Become a member to keep up to date with all of our upcoming events and to connect with local Wikipedians! In addition, we have one upcoming event: the third Wik-Ed Women editing session will take place on Tuesday, November 11 from 6pm to 10pm at the Los Angeles Contemporary Archive downtown. This series of informal get-togethers is designed to encourage Los Angeles women-in-the-arts (though all are welcome!) to contribute their expertise to Wikipedia, specifically expanding content about women artists. Please RSVP here if you plan to attend. I hope to see you there! Calliopejen1 (talk) - via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:20, 4 November 2014 (UTC) To opt out of future mailings about LA meetups, please remove your name from this list.

L.A. event on November 11 CANCELED

Wik-Ed Women editing session CANCELED

Due to health issues affecting one of the organizers, the third Wik-Ed Women editing session (originally scheduled for Tuesday, November 11) has been canceled. We expect the series to pick up again sometime in December. Sorry for the inconvenience, and hope to see you in the near future! Calliopejen1 (talk) - via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:08, 7 November 2014 (UTC) To opt out of future mailings about LA meetups, please remove your name from this list.

L.A. edit-a-thon this Sunday, December 14

L.A. meetup: December 14 edit-a-thon at the California African American Museum

Dear fellow Wikipedian, East of Borneo's "Unforgetting L.A." edit-a-thon series continues this weekend at the California African American Museum! Please join us this Sunday, December 14 from 11am to 4pm. Beginners welcome! You'll learn to create new articles that improve Wikipedia's coverage of African American art in Los Angeles, past and present. Please click here for full event details and to RSVP if you plan to attend. I hope to see you there! Calliopejen1 (talk) - via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:25, 10 December 2014 (UTC) Join our Facebook group here! To opt out of future mailings about LA meetups, please remove your name from this list.

L.A. event on Tuesday, January 20

Wik-Ed Women editing session (1/20, 6-10pm)

Dear fellow Wikipedian, Please join us at an event this coming Tuesday: the third Wik-Ed Women editing session will take place on January 20 from 6pm to 10pm at the Los Angeles Contemporary Archive downtown. This series of informal get-togethers is designed to encourage Los Angeles women-in-the-arts (though all are welcome!) to contribute their expertise to Wikipedia, specifically expanding content about women artists. Please RSVP here if you plan to attend. I hope to see you there! Calliopejen1 (talk) - via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 23:06, 15 January 2015 (UTC) Join our Facebook group here! To opt out of future mailings about LA meetups, please remove your name from this list.

LA edit-a-thons on February 14, 17, and 21

Redondo Loves Wikipedia (2/14), Wik-Ed Women (2/17), and Unforgetting LA at the Getty (2/21)!

Dear fellow Wikipedian, The LA Wikipedia community has three events in mid-February -- please consider attending! First, we have a Valentine's Day edit-a-thon appropriately named Redondo Loves Wikipedia, which will take place at the Redondo Beach Public Library from 10am to 1pm on Saturday, February 14. Join library staff, the Redondo Beach Historical Society, and others to help improve Wikipedia's coverage of Redondo Beach! Second, we have a Wik-Ed Women editing session on Tuesday, February 17 from 6pm to 10pm at the Los Angeles Contemporary Archive downtown. This series of informal get-togethers is designed to encourage Los Angeles women-in-the-arts (though all are welcome!) to contribute their expertise to Wikipedia, specifically expanding content about women artists. Third, we have an Unforgetting LA event put on by East of Borneo in collaboration with the Getty Research Institute. Come help improve Wikipedia's coverage of LA design and architecture, and have an awesome free day at the museum -- parking will be validated for edit-a-thon participants! If you'd like to use particular books from GRI's great collection, be sure to email before 2/13 (instructions at event page). And be sure to check out our main meetup page, because we already have three SoCal events scheduled for early March! I hope to see you there! Calliopejen1 (talk) - via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:58, 5 February 2015 (UTC) Join our Facebook group here! To opt out of future mailings about LA meetups, please remove your name from this list.

SF edit-a-thons on March 7 and 8

ArtAndFeminism (3/7) and International Women's Day (3/8)!

Dear fellow Wikipedian, In celebration of WikiWomen's History Month, the SF Bay Area Wikipedia community has two events in early March -- please consider attending! First, we have an ArtAndFeminism edit-a-thon, which will take place at the Kadist Art Foundation from 12 noon to 6pm on Saturday, March 7. We'll be one of many sites worldwide participating in this edit-a-thon on March 7th. So join us as we help improve Wikipedia's coverage of women artists and their works! Second, we will be celebrating International Women's Day with the International Women's Day edit-a-thon on Sunday, March 8 from 1pm to 5pm at the Wikimedia Foundation. Our editing focus will be on women, of course! I hope to see you there! Rosiestep (talk) - via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:06, 20 February 2015 (UTC) To opt out of future mailings about SF meetups, please remove your name from this list.

LA edit-a-thons on March 18 (tomorrow!) and 28

Wadewitz memorial edit-a-thon (3/18), Redondo Loves Wikipedia (3/28)

Dear fellow Wikipedian, The LA Wikipedia community has two events in this second half of March -- please consider attending! First, there is a memorial edit-a-thon in honor of the prolific LA Wikipedian Adrianne Wadewitz, which is being held downtown on March 18 (tomorrow!) from noon to 8pm as a part of the American Society for Eighteenth-Century Studies' annual conference. Please drop by to contribute your own work or teach other users how to write for Wikipedia. Second, there will be an event at the Redondo Beach Public Library (following up on last month's session), in collaboration with the Redondo Beach Historical Society. Please join us from 10am to noon on Saturday, March 28 at the main branch of the Redondo Beach Public Library! I hope to see you there! Calliopejen1 (talk) - via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:40, 17 March 2015 (UTC) Join our Facebook group here! To opt out of future mailings about LA meetups, please remove your name from this list.

5th Annual Wiknic

5th Annual Wiknic (Saturday, July 11, 2015, ~9:30am-4pm)

Dear fellow Wikipedian, You are cordinally invited to the fifth annual Los Angeles Wiknic! The Wiknic is a part of the nationwide Great American Wiknic. We'll be grilling, getting to know each other better, and building the L.A. Wikipedia community! The event is tentatively planned for Pan-Pacific Park (map) and will be held on Saturday, July 11, 2014 from 9:30am to 4pm or so. Please RSVP and volunteer to bring food or drinks if possible! I hope to see you there! Howcheng (talk) - via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:41, 21 June 2015 (UTC) Join our Facebook group here! To opt out of future mailings about LA meetups, please remove your name from this list.

Wikinic rescheduled

5th Annual Wiknic rescheduled to Saturday, July 25, 2015, ~9:30am-4pm

Due to a conflict with the Redondo Loves Wikipedia edit-a-thon, the fifth annual Los Angeles Wiknic has been rescheduled. As before, the location will be at Pan-Pacific Park (map) and will be held on Saturday, July 25, 2015 from 9:30am to 4pm or so. Please RSVP and volunteer to bring food or drinks if possible! I hope to see you there! —howcheng {chat} - via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 04:28, 7 July 2015 (UTC) Join our Facebook group here! To opt out of future mailings about LA meetups, please remove your name from this list.

This Thursday: Women in Architecture edit-a-thon @ Getty Center

You are invited to join the Women in Architecture edit-a-thon @ Getty Center in LA on October 15! (drop-in any time, 10am-4pm)--Pharos (talk) 18:25, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!

Hi,
You appear to be eligible to vote in the current Arbitration Committee election. The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to enact binding solutions for disputes between editors, primarily related to serious behavioural issues that the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the ability to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate, you are welcome to review the candidates' statements and submit your choices on the voting page. For the Election committee, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:53, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Wik-Ed Women Session #5

Wik-Ed Women Session #5

Dear fellow Wikipedian, I would like to personally invite you to the March edition of the Wik-Ed Women meetup, which will take place on March 15, from 6-10 in the evening. It will occur at Los Angeles Contemporary Archive, 2245 E Washington Blvd, Los Angeles, California 90021 (downtown LA -- map). The building has a pink top with old signage for American Accessories, Inc. dba Princess Accessories (Photos [PDF]). There is on-site parking in the back, which also has an entrance. If you cannot attend in person, you are more than willing to work remotely, as we appreciate all help that you can provide. Finally, here is a link to the Facebook event, in case you want to invite friends, as we are always looking for new editors to help expand coverage of women on Wikipedia! I hope to see you there! Cosmicphantom (talk) - via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 05:54, 15 March 2016 (UTC) Join our Facebook group here! To opt out of future mailings about LA meetups, please remove your name from this list.

Bay Area WikiSalon series kickoff, April 27

Please join us in San Francisco!

Panel discussion at a recent Wikipedia & Journalism event.

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts in the San Francisco Bay Area will gather to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas. We have two brief presentations lined up for our kickoff event in downtown San Francisco:

• The Nueva Upper School recently hosted the first ever high school Wikipedia edit-a-thon. We will hear what interests them about Wikipedia, what they have learned so far, and what they hope to achieve.
• Photojournalist Kris Schreier Lyseggen, author of The Women of San Quentin: The Soul Murder of Transgender Women in Male Prisons, will tell us about her work and how she researched the topic.

We allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. We will have beverages and light snacks.

Please note: You must register here, and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. The building policy is strict on this point.

For further details, see here: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, April 2016

We hope to see you -- and until then, happy editing! - Pete, Ben & Wayne

Invitation to the Bay Area WikiSalon series on May 25

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather at Bay Area WikiSalon to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

We allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. We will have beverages and light snacks.

Please note: You must register here, and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. The building policy is strict on this point.

For further details, see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, May 2016

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See you soon! Pete F, Ben Creasy, and Checkingfax via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:15, 9 May 2016 (UTC) | Subscribe/Unsubscribe to the SF Meetups notice.

Invitation to the Bay Area WikiSalon series, Wednesday, June 29

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather at Bay Area WikiSalon to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

We make sure to allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Free Wi-Fi is available so bring your editing devices. We will have beverages and light snacks. We will also have:

• A brief report on Pride edit-a-thon recently held at the San Francisco Publice Library, coordinated by Merrilee:

  What topics might we cover in a follow up?

  Find out more about resources your public library provides to help with editing (hint, it's more than just books!)

  Special announcement (secret for now but come and find out more!)

• Join in on an in person Wikidojo!

  Are you curious how your peers approach writing a Wikipedia article? This exercise, pioneered by Wikipedians Nikola Kalchev and Vassia Atanassova in 2015 and conducted in many places around the world, will help us all - from first-time wiki users to veteran Wikipedians - share ideas, while building an article together. If you have ideas (relating to Bay Area history, ideally) about a new article we could build (stubs and short existing articles are fine), please submit them ahead of time to coordinator Pete Forsyth. (User talk page or email is fine.)

  Announcements and impromptu topics are welcome, too!

Please note: You must register here, and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. The building policy is strict.

For further details, see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, June 2016

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 10:07, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

REMINDER/invitation to the Bay Area WikiSalon series, Wednesday, June 29 at 6 p.m.

Please join us in downtown San Francisco tonight!

If you cannot join in person or want to view portions later:

• To join via Hangout on Air
• Via YouTube Stream

We will have:

• Light snacks, and time to mingle
• A brief report on the Pride edit-a-thon recently held at the San Francisco Public Library, that was coordinated by Wiki editor Merrilee
• A special announcement (secret for now but come and find out more!)
• Join in on a brief in person Wikidojo!
• Announcements and impromptu topics are welcome, too!

Please register at: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1cjLRrSTlEkGOPTQ-h6A0WvSFI4ZmIUl6jEHp_RYas-E/viewform and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. The building policy is strict.

For further details, see: Bay Area WikiSalon, June 2016

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See you tonight! Pete F, Ben, Stephen and MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:48, 29 June 2016 (UTC) | (Subscribe or Unsubscribe to this talk page notice)

Late breaking invitation to the Bay Area WikiSalon series, July 27 (Wednesday) - change of venue - tonight

Please join us in the Mission at Noisebridge (one time change of venue)!

We hope you can join us today, Wednesday, from 6 p.m. on, at our July Bay Area WikiSalon. This month only, we are going to be at Noisebridge, a hackerspace/makerspace 1.5 blocks from the 16th & Mission BART station (see the link for directions). Some of us will be working on the Wikipedia article on basic income. All info here. Some good news - we do not have to be as strict about advance RSVP at Noisebridge, so bring spontaneous guests! (Registering ahead of time is still helpful, as always, as it will help us plan ahead.)

Come and hang out, have some light snacks. Wi-Fi is available, so please bring your editing device if you plan to edit.

Also, Pete just published a writeup of the Wikidojo exercise we did last month. Your comments welcome, if he missed anything! http://wikistrategies.net/ghost-town-royals-wikidojo

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather at Bay Area WikiSalon to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas. Mark you calendars now.

We allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend.

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:05, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Invitation to the Bay Area WikiSalon series, Wednesday, August 31

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

Hi folks,

We would like to invite you to this month's Bay Area WikiSalon. The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

We make sure to allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Free Wi-Fi is available so bring your editing devices. We will have beverages and light snacks. We will also have a brief presentation for your education and possible enjoyment:

• Former EFF intern Marta Belcher will discuss crowdsourcing her Stanford Law School graduation speech using a wiki. The "WikiSpeech" was the subject of prominent national media attention in 2015, and more than half of her classmates contributed to writing and editing the commencement address via a wiki.

Please note: You should register here, and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. The building policy is strict on the I.D. part. This also helps us figure out how much food and drink to bring in! Feel free to stop by even if only to say a quick hello, but you might have to give us a last minute call if you forget to RSVP. Also, don't be shy about hitting us up if you have thoughts on speakers or wiki-related activities.

For further details, see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, August 2016

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:05, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Tonight: Live and archived links for Bay Area WikiSalon

Bay Area WikiSalon, Wednesday, August 31:

If you cannot join us in person tonight, we are streaming (and later archiving) the presentation by former EFF intern Marta Belcher. We expect her to be live starting between 6:30 or 6:45 p.m. PDT and talking and taking questions for about 30 minutes thereafter.

Here is the YouTube stream link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t8V79s2-og
Here is the link to join the Hangout on Air: https://hangouts.google.com/call/ezrol7dafjfwxfh2ilpkjyxoaue

You can search for it on the Commons and YouTube later too.

Wayne, Pete, Ben, and Stephen

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:50, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Invitation to the Bay Area WikiSalon series, Wednesday, September 28

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

Hi folks,

We would like to invite you to this month's Bay Area WikiSalon. The last Wednesday evening of every month, Wikipedia and Wikimedia enthusiasts gather to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

We will have no formal agenda to allow people to freely share ideas and perhaps learn about Wikipedia through hands-on editing. Co-organizer Ben Creasy will be looking at election-related articles to enhance the information available in the upcoming November elections.

Co-organizer Stephen LaPorte has suggested doing an upload-a-thon for Wiki Loves Monuments. Niki, the California coordinator for WLM will be in attendance. WLM is an annual event and the official dealine is Friday the 30th for submissions to count towards awards.

Or, you can grab a couch, a booth, or a stool and do your own thing.

Please note: You should register here, and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. The building policy is strict on the I.D. part. This also helps us figure out how much food and drink to bring in! Feel free to stop by even if only to say a quick hello, but you might have to give us a last minute call if you forget to RSVP. Also, don't be shy about hitting us up if you have thoughts on future speakers or wiki-related activities.

For further details, please see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, September 2016. Mark your calendars now for the 3rd Wednesday in October, the 26th, when we will have a brief presentation.

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:35, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

You are invited to a Wednesday evening event in SF

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

Hi folks,

Please copy and share this on other talk pages. We would like to invite you to this month's Bay Area WikiSalon. The last Wednesday evening of every month, Wikipedia and Wikimedia enthusiasts gather at the Wikimedia Foundation lounge to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

We will have no meaty agenda this month, but we will allow a brief period for:

• Open mic for anybody who attended WikiConference North America 2016 in San Diego last week and wants to share their takeaway
• Question & answer
• Open mic for announcements
• Maybe a focus on some topical election article editing with Ben?

Or, you can grab a couch, a booth, a stool or counter and do your own thing.

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Please note: You should register here, and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. The building policy is strict on the I.D. part. This also helps us figure out how much food and drink to bring in! Feel free to stop by even if only to say a quick hello, but you might have to give us a last minute call if you forget to RSVP. Also, don't be shy about hitting us up if you have thoughts on future speakers or wiki-related activities.

For further details, please see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, October 2016.

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PS: Mark your calendars ahead now for the 3rd Wednesday in November, the 30th (the week after Thanksgiving), at 6 p.m. when our WikiSalon will host a super awesome top secret mystery guest mingling in our midst. We will announce specifics at the upcoming WikiSalon.

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:51, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Everybody is invited to the November 30 Bay Area WikiSalon

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

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Details and RSVP here.

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:54, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Bay Area WikiSalon series: Everybody is invited this Wednesday evening at 6

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki and open-source enthusiasts gather at Bay Area WikiSalon to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

Before and after the brief presentation we allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Free Wi-Fi is available so bring your editing devices. We will have beverages and light snacks.

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In addition, this month we will have:

• a brief presentation from User:Cullen328 (Jim Heaphy) about the Wikipedia Teahouse
• spontaneous lightning talks from the floor
• community announcements from the floor

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For details and to RSVP see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, December 2016

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See you soon! Ben Creasy and Checkingfax | (Subscribe/Unsubscribe to this talk page notice here)

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P.S. Any help spreading the word through social media or other avenues is most welcome! We plan to announce this on various sites and invite various groups; if you would like to join in, check our meta planning page, and please note any announcements you are sending out: meta:Monthly WikiSalon in San Francisco#Announcements and promotion

Please feel free to add to, refine, reorganize or edit the above linked page: it is a wiki!

We need more helpers and organizers, so if you see a need, please jump in, or talk to us about it! You can add your username to the meta page where appropriate, or create a new role!

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:44, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Reminder invitation to the December Bay Area WikiSalon

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

Hi, everybody.

We are excited to remind you of the ninth in the Bay Area WikiSalon series that is coming up this Wednesday evening at 6 p.m.

• Details (RSVP suggested) here (RSVP helps us know how much food and drink to bring in)

What is a WikiSalon? A monthly safe and inclusive meatspace event conducted in organized chaos and we all clean up the mess afterwards. Livestream links for the presentation are available during presentation months, and will be forthcoming for those of you that cannot attend. December is a presentation month.

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Hope to see you there! Wayne (and Ben) - co-organizers
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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 05:10, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Archived link for December Bay Area WikiSalon

Hi, y'all. In case you missed it and want to watch the archive reel; the topic was The Wikipedia Teahouse and the presenter was well respected Wikimedian Jim Heaphy [[User:Cullen328]]

• Archive link (also includes intro, announcements, and a lightning talk)

• Details about Bay Area WikiSalon for December here

The full title of Jim's presentation was: Welcoming and Helping New Editors: A Month at the Wikipedia Teahouse: an overview of the Teahouse and an analysis of over 300 Teahouse conversations during the month of August, 2016

Jim gave a longer version of this presentation in October at WikiConference North America 2016 in San Diego, California.

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Cheers! Co-organizer Checkingfax - and co-organizer Ben Creasy | (Subscribe/Unsubscribe to this talk page notice here)

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PS: Mark your calendars now for Sunday, January 15 at 2 p.m. which will be Wikipedia's 16th Birthday party hosted by Bay Area WikiSalon! Details to follow soon. If you want to help plan it, get in touch with us ASAP!

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You are invited to a birthday bash to Celebrate Wikipedia's 16th Birthday!

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

Wikipedia Day 16 SF is a fun Birthday bash and edit-a-thon on Sunday, January 15, 2017, hosted by Bay Area WikiSalon at the Wikimedia Foundation's Chip Deubner Lounge in the South of Market Street business district.

For details and to RSVP, please see: Wikipedia:Meetup/SF/Wikipedia Day 2017

The San Francisco gathering is one of a number of Wikipedia Day celebrations worldwide.

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PS: We need volunteers to help make this a fun and worthwhile event. Please add your name to the Project page, and what you can offer. It is a wiki, so please make direct edits to the page.

Bay Area WikiSalon usually meets the last Wednesday evening of every month as an inclusive and safe place to collaborate, mingle, munch and learn about new projects and ideas.

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Reminder invitation to the Wikipedia Day 16 birthday bash & edit-a-thon

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

Wikipedia Day 16 SF is a fun Birthday bash and edit-a-thon on Sunday, January 15, 2017, hosted by Bay Area WikiSalon at the Wikimedia Foundation's Chip Deubner Lounge in the South of Market Street business district and everybody is invited!

Details and RSVP here

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See you Sunday! Ben Creasy, Checkingfax and Slaporte

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PS: We still need more volunteers to help make this a fun and worthwhile event. Please add what you can offer and your name to the Project page or Talk about it. It is a wiki, so please make direct edits to the Project page. The event is already growing due to volunteers that have stepped up so far.

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Bay Area WikiSalon meets one evening of every month as an inclusive and safe place to collaborate, mingle, munch or learn about new projects and ideas.

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February 18 Wikipedia Day event in DTLA

LA Wikipedia Day Celebration (February 18)

Dear fellow Wikipedian, Please join us at our Wikipedia Day celebration at the Ace Hotel in downtown Los Angeles on Saturday, February 18, 2017 from 11 am to 5 pm! This event will feature lectures, panel discussions, lightning talks, open space discussions and collaboration, and--most importantly--cake! Please RSVP on the event page if you're thinking of joining us. I hope to see you there! Calliopejen1 (talk) - via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:35, 2 February 2017 (UTC) Join our Facebook group here! To opt out of future mailings about LA meetups, please remove your name from this list.

Bay Area WikiSalon invitation for February 22

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather at Bay Area WikiSalon to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

We allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Free Wi-Fi is available so bring your editing devices. We will have beverages (including beer and wine) plus light snacks.

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Please note: You should RSVP here, and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. This also helps us figure out how much food and drink to bring in.

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For further details, see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, February 2017

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Bay Area WikiSalon February reminder

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 6 p.m.

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For details and to RSVP: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, February 2017

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Your invitation: Bay Area WikiSalon series at Noisebridge

Please join us in San Francisco!

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather at Bay Area WikiSalon to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas. This month we are meeting at Noisebridge makerspace/hackerspace in the Mission near 16th Street BART (temporary change of venue). The good news is this means that you can bring spontaneous guests if you forget to RSVP!

We allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Free Wi-Fi is available so bring your editing devices. We will have beverages (including beer and wine) plus light snacks.

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If possible, please RSVP as it helps us figure out how much food and drink to bring in. For further details and to RSVP, please see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, March 2017

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See you soon! Co-coordinators Ben Creasy and Wayne
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Reminder: Tonight is Bay Area WikiSalon at Noisebridge

Please join us in San Francisco!

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Details and to RSVP: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, March 2017 (optional, but helpful for food and special needs accommodations)

We are meeting at Noisebridge makerspace/hackerspace (temporary venue change) near 16th ST BART in SF.

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See you soon! Co-coordinators Ben Creasy and Wayne
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Wednesday night you are invited! Bay Area WikiSalon

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather for the Bay Area WikiSalon series to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

We allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Free Wi-Fi is available so bring your editing devices. We will have beverages (including beer and wine) plus light snacks. We will have some announcements and lightning talks from the floor, and a breakout session. This is our one year anniversary, so there will be cake!

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Please RSVP here, and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. This also helps us figure out how much food and drink to bring in.

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See you soon! Ben Creasy and Wayne
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Everybody is invited to the May 31 Bay Area WikiSalon series!

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather at Bay Area WikiSalon to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas. This month we are taking it on the road to Noisebridge makerspace/hackerspace!

We allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Free Wi-Fi is available so bring your editing devices. We will have beverages (including beer and wine) plus light snacks. There will be periodic guided tours of Noisebridge. You can stay late, on your own! YeeHaw!

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For details and to RSVP, see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, May 2017

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See you soon! Ben Creasy and Wayne
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Come and join us at the Wiknic

LA Meetup: 6th Wiknic, 7/15 @ Pan Pacific Park

Dear fellow Wikipedian, You are cordially invited to the 6th Los Angeles Wiknic, a part of the nationwide Great American Wiknic. We'll be grilling, getting to know each other better, and building the L.A. Wikipedia community! The event is planned for Pan-Pacific Park and will be held on Saturday, July 15, 2017 from 9:30am to 4pm or so. Please RSVP and volunteer to bring food or drinks if possible! I hope to see you there! Howcheng (talk) - via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:02, 26 May 2017 (UTC) Join our Facebook group here! To opt out of future mailings about LA meetups, please remove your name from this list.

The Bay Area WikiSalon is an unSalon this month!

Please stay where you are for an unSalon!

We are taking July off! Please gather your thoughts for changes that you would like to see in the next 10 months and present them at our July 26 WikiSalon.

Ordinarily, the last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather at the Bay Area WikiSalon series to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

We normally allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend.

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Mark your calendars now for Wednesday, July 26 at 6 p.m.! The venue will be the Noisebridge hackerspace/makerspace on Mission Street in San Francisco.

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The Black Woman is God Edit-a-Thon in San Francisco, July 22

You're invited to The Black Woman is God Edit-a-Thon at SOMArts in San Francisco on Saturday July 22, 1-4 pm. It'll be at 934 Brannan Street (between 8th & 9th). Everyone is welcome to join this editing event, held in conjunction with The Black Woman is God exhibition to raise the online visibility of Black women artists and challenge the gaps in art history that erase or minimize Black women’s contributions as artists, activists and social change-makers. (Message requested by Dreamyshade and delivered on 14:23, 9 July 2017 (UTC). You can subscribe/unsubscribe to San Francisco event talk page notices here.)

LA event this Thursday

LA Meetup: September 7 edit-a-thon near DTLA

Dear fellow Wikipedian, You have been invited to a meetup and edit-a-thon at the LA84 Foundation in Jefferson Park (near DTLA) on Thursday, September 7, 2017 from 5:45 p.m. to 9:00 p.m.! This event aims to improve coverage of female Olympians and Paralympians (some of whom will be attending!). There will be a deejay and food/drinks, and kids are welcome. I hope to see you there! Calliopejen1 (talk) - via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 14:10, 2 September 2017 (UTC) Join our Facebook group, follow our Twitter account, and like our Facebook page!! To opt out of future mailings about LA meetups, please remove your name from this list.

What is Talk Page Theatre? Come find out!

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

Come find out what "Talk Page Theatre" is all about! The last Wednesday evening of every other month, wiki enthusiasts gather at Bay Area WikiSalon to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

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We allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Free Wi-Fi is available so bring your editing devices. We will have beverages (including beer and wine) plus light snacks. We will be at the NEW Wikimedia Foundation offices! w00t!!!

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Please note: You should RSVP here, and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. This also helps us figure out how much food and drink to bring in.

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For further details, see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, November 2017

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See you soon! Ben Creasy, Nikikana, and Wayne | ( Subscribe/Unsubscribe to this talk page notice ) | MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:30, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

SFMOMA Edit-a-Thon in San Francisco, March 8

You're invited to an Art+Feminism Edit-a-Thon at SFMOMA in San Francisco on Thursday March 8, 5-9 pm. It'll be at 151 Third Street, 2nd floor, free to the public. Everyone is welcome to participate in an evening of communal updating of Wikipedia entries on subjects related to gender, art, and feminism. (This message is from User:Dreamyshade. You can subscribe/unsubscribe to San Francisco event talk page notices here.)
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 12:58, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day LA, March 31

Wikipedia Day LA 2018

Please join us from 10:00 am - 5:00 pm on Saturday, March 31st for Wikipedia Day LA 2018 at the Ace Hotel in downtown Los Angeles. There will be speakers, panel discussions, a presentation on Wikidata, flash sessions, and a discussion about the formation of an LA User Group. There could be dramatic readings of LA-related talk pages, and there will be truly excellent cake. Please RSVP on the event page if you're thinking of joining us. We hope to see you there! JSFarman (talk) via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:19, 9 March 2018 (UTC) Join our Facebook group here, and follow us on Twitter . To opt out of future mailings about LA meetups, please remove your name from this list.

Arts Datathon!

LA County Civic Arts Datathon!

Please join us for the LA County Arts Commission Civic Art Wikipedia Edit-a-thon. Beginners are welcome! We'll provide training for new editors. (See the meetup page for more details.) Friday, April 27, 2018, 9:00-5:00 Bob Hope Patriotic Hall, 1816 S. Figueroa St., Los Angeles, CA 90015. We hope to see you there! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 04:09, 25 April 2018 (UTC) Join our Facebook group here, and follow us on Twitter . To opt out of future mailings about LA meetups, please remove your name from this list.

Bay Area WikiSalon invitation!

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

Periodically, on the last Wednesday evening of the month, wiki enthusiasts gather at Bay Area WikiSalon to munch, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

We allow time for announcements, informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Bring a friend! Free Wi-Fi is available so bring your editing devices. This months focus is images!

We will have beverages (including beer and wine) plus light snacks (maybe pizza too!).

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For further details and to RSVP, please see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, May 2018 (note: we are meeting at the new WMF HQ at 120 Kearny Street!)

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See you soon! Ben Creasy, Nikikana, Stephen, and Wayne | (Subscribe/Unsubscribe to this talk page notice here) | MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:22, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

UPDATE! Bay Area WikiSalon moved to June 6!

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

Our apologies, but we are rescheduling to Wednesday, June 6 at 6:00 p.m. due to a WMF host scheduling conflict.

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For further details and to RSVP, please see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, June 2018 (note: we are meeting at the new WMF HQ at 120 Kearny Street!)

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REMINDER: Bay Area WikiSalon is Wednesday, June 6

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

When: Wednesday, June 6 at 6:00 p.m.

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For details and to RSVP, please see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, June 2018 (note: we are meeting at the new WMF HQ at 120 Kearny Street!)

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Bay Area WikiSalon invitation for July 25!

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

Periodically, on the last Wednesday evening of the month, wiki enthusiasts gather at the Bay Area WikiSalon series to munch, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

We allow time for announcements, informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Bring a friend! Kid/family friendly. Free Wi-Fi is available so bring your editing devices. This months focus is reliable sources!

We will have beverages (including beer and wine) plus light snacks (maybe pizza too!).

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For further details and to RSVP, please see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, July 2018 (note: we are meeting at the new WMF HQ at 120 Kearny Street!)

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See you soon! Avik (User:Quantumavik), Lodewijk (User:Effeietsanders), Ben Creasy (User:Ben Creasy), Stephen (User:Slaporte), and Wayne (User:Checkingfax)
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7th Annual Los Angeles Wiknic

It's the 7th Annual Los Angeles Wiknic!

Sunday, September 30, 11:00-4:00 PM
Pan Pacific Park, 7600 Beverly Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90036
Hang out. Consume crowd-sourced BBQ! Bask in the glory of late September in Los Angeles (and the glory
of our new user group, Wikimedians of Los Angeles).
RSVP (and volunteer) here.
We hope to see you there! JSFarman (talk) 02:50, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
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Bay Area WikiSalon invitation for September 26!

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

Periodically, on the last Wednesday evening of the month, wiki enthusiasts gather at the Bay Area WikiSalon series to munch, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

We allow time for announcements, informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Bring a friend! Kid/family friendly. Free Wi-Fi is available so bring your editing devices. This months' focus is Did you know ... ?

We will have beverages (including beer and wine) plus light snacks (maybe pizza too!).

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Details and RSVP here (note: we are meeting at the new WMF HQ at 120 Kearny Street!)

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Last call for RSVPs for Wednesday evening

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

Hey, folks.​ Reminder:​ Wednesday evening ​at 6 ​is the Bay Area WikiSalon series​.​

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Details and RSVP here (note: we are meeting at the new WMF HQ at 120 Kearny Street!)

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You are cordially invited to Stanford University to celebrate Wikipedia's birthday

Join us in celebrating Wikipedia's 18th birthday at Stanford University!

I am delighted to invite you to the 2019 Wikipedia Day party at Stanford, which will be held on Tuesday, January 15, 2019, at 5:00-8:30pm.

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There will be pizza, cake, and refreshments; both newcomers and experienced Wikimedians are welcome! We will have a beginner track with tutorials, and an advanced track with presentations, lightning talks, and tips and tricks. Admission is free, and you do NOT have to be a Stanford University student to attend.

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Invitation to attend a Southern California Regional mini Unconference

Who: All Wikipedians & Wikimedians

What: Southern California Regional mini Unconference.

When: Sunday 3 March 2019, 2:00PM PST / 1400 until 4:10PM PST / 1610

Where: Philippe's at Chinatown, Los Angeles

Sponsor: San Diego Wikimedians User Group ( US-SAN )

Your host: RightCowLeftCoast (talk · contribs)

Please add your username to our attendees list so we know how many will be attending, due to the limited size of the cafe.

(Delivered: 00:38, 10 February 2019 (UTC) You can unsubscribe from future invitations to San Diego Wikimedians User Group events by removing your name from the WikiProject San Diego mass mailing list & the Los Angeles mass mailing list.)

Wikipedia Day LA, February 24, 2019

Wikipedia Day LA 2019 Consider the Source

Please join the LA User Group, Wikimedians of Los Angeles, for an afternoon of panels, presentations and conversations on the subject of sources, and cake (locally sourced), in celebration of Wikipedia's 18th birthday. Sunday, February 24, 1:00 PM-5:00 PM The Ace Hotel (DTLA) 929 S Broadway, Los Angeles, CA 90015 For more details or to sign up, see Wikipedia Day LA, or RSVP via Eventbrite. Everyone is welcome! We hope to see you there. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:00, 18 February 2019 (UTC) Join our Facebook group here, and follow us on Twitter . To opt out of future mailings about LA meetups, please remove your name from this list.

Art + Feminism 2019

Art+Feminism 2019 Los Angeles Events!

Dear fellow Wikipedian, You are invited to join Art+Feminism's annual worldwide Wikipedia edit-a-thon and help close Wikipedia's gender gap at one of these Los Angeles–area museums this March! RSVP/Details here. Sunday, March 3: The Institute of Contemporary Art, Los Angeles (DTLA), Noon–5p. Focus: Women+Comedy. Saturday, March 9: Vincent Price Art Museum at East Los Angeles College (Monterey Park), Noon–4p. Focus: Latinx+Non-Binary Artists. Sunday, March 10: Hammer Museum (Westwood), Noon–5p. Focus: Women+Film+Media Sunday, March 17: LACMA (Miracle Mile), Noon–5p. Focus: Women+Design+Craft Sunday, March 31: California African American Museum (Exposition Park/USC), 1–4p. Focus: Women of CAAM. These Los Angeles events are co-hosted by online magazine East of Borneo and include step-by-step Wikipedia instruction for beginners. Bring your laptop or tablet computer and any reference materials you'd like to work from or share. People of all gender expressions and identities are encouraged to attend. I hope to see you there! StaceyEOB (talk)

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Proposed deletion of Concord Police Department

The article Concord Police Department has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Unsourced since creation in July 2012. No mention of the Police Department in the Concord, California page and, in any case, ambiguous to other 'Concord' places so a redirect is not viable. Fails WP:ORG.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Just Chilling (talk) 01:39, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

UC Irvine edit-a-thon on May 17, 2019

UC Irvine edit-a-thon on May 17, 2019

Dear fellow Wikipedian, You are cordially invited to an edit-a-thon this Friday in Orange County, focused on gender equity. The event is a collaboration between UCI and Women in Red. Friday, May 17, 2019 10:00 am – 4:00 pm PDT (UTC-7) Langson Library, Room 228, at University of California, Irvine Points of contact: Logistics: moderator, Prof. Adriana Briscoe Schedule: facilitators, Roger Bamkin & Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight For more details, including the registration link, please see the meetup page. Everyone is welcome! We hope to see you there.

--Rosiestep (talk) 00:36, 14 May 2019 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Southern California Wiknic & Bonfire invitation

270° panorama overlooking La Jolla Shores Beach as seen from the Martin Johnson House, Scripps Institute of Oceanography, during a late August sunset. Photo by Gregg M. Erickson

Meetup-San Diego-September 2K19

Who: All members of the public

What: Southern California Wiknic & Bonfire.

When: Sunday 1 September 2019, 2:00PM PDT / 1400 until 10:00PM PDT / 2200

Where: La Jolla Shores

Sponsor: San Diego Wikimedians User Group ( US-SAN )

Your host: RightCowLeftCoast (talk · contribs)

Please add your username to our attendees list so we know how many will be attending, and please add your intended potluck contribution to the list.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of Wikipedia:WikiProject San Diego at 18:27, 1 August 2019 (UTC). You can unsubscribe from future invitations to San Diego Wikimedians User Group events by removing your name from the WikiProject San Diego mass mailing list, and from the Southern California meet-up group by removing your name from the LA meet-ups mailing list.

You are cordially invited to the SPIE Photonics West edit-a-thon on 02.02.2020

Join us for the SPIE Photonics West edit-a-thon this Sunday, 02.02.2020!

I am delighted to invite you to the SPIE Photonics West 2020 edit-a-thon, at Park Central Hotel (Franciscan I, 3rd Level / 50 Third Street / San Francisco, California), on Sunday, February 2, 2020, at 5:00-7:00pm.

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Newcomers and experienced Wikimedians are welcome to participate alongside SPIE conference attendees. Admission is free. Training will be provided.

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See you soon! All the best, --Rosiestep (talk) 06:59, 31 January 2020 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Proposed deletion of Inio, Chile

The article Inio, Chile has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Fails WP:V. No entry on GEOnet, doesn't appear on Google Maps, no other sources found on a search.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 03:45, 8 February 2021 (UTC)