Template:Did you know nominations/Xenophon of Robeika
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The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Flibirigit talk 00:52, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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Xenophon of Robeika
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that when his vita was lost, the life story of Xenophon of Robeika had to be rewritten?
- Source: Ankudinov, I. Yu. (2016). Ксенофонтов Робейский Николаевский монастырь [Xenophon Robeysky Nikolaevsky Monastery]. Novgorod Archive Bulletin. Vol. 13. Veliky Novgorod. pp. 83–84.
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--evrik (talk) 20:07, 10 May 2024 (UTC).
Wow, I love this hook. Article is long enough and 5x expanded as of today, Earwig finds no copyvio, sourcing looks good and I'm AGFing on the languages I can't read (DeepL translation shows me it lines up). Hook is cited, again AGF because I can't be certain, given that I can't read Russian, and your QPQ is good. Zanahary (talk) 21:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Zanahary: This saint's day is June 28. Would you mind dropping this in the Wikipedia:SOHA for that day? --evrik (talk) 16:47, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Evrik and Zanahary: please could you double check the source for the hook? I found it online via Academia.edu here. My reading is that Ankudinov thinks that there was only oral tradition before the 18th-century vita. After discussing two 17th century documents, the sentence on pages 86 and 87 says "Возможно, это свидетельствует о том, что к этому времени текст Жития Ксенофонта еще не сложился, и среди населения бытовали лишь устные предания о преподобном. [Perhaps this indicates that by this time the text of the Life of Xenophon had not yet been formed, and only oral traditions about the saint existed among the population. via Google translate]". TSventon (talk) 16:02, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @TSventon: how about:
- Alt1 ... that the life story of Xenophon of Robeika was written centuries after his death?
- That is accurate, I am not sure it is surprising. I think the article needs some work, hopefully Чръный человек can help. TSventon (talk) 16:19, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @TSventon and Чръный человек: I'm sure there is a simple editing fix, but I'm not clear how to edit this to make people happy. I went with the best and most consistent sourcing I had available to me. I'm willing to share author credit with someone who can reconcile the differences. --evrik (talk) 16:47, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- That is accurate, I am not sure it is surprising. I think the article needs some work, hopefully Чръный человек can help. TSventon (talk) 16:19, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
@Evrik: Could you share the excerpt that supports the loss of an earlier vita? Zanahary (talk) 17:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's in the Ankudinov work, which you have to translate. --evrik (talk) 18:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Which page is it on? Could you quote it? Zanahary (talk) 20:02, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Zanahary: Top of page 84. --evrik (talk) 22:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don’t see that in the source. It says the first known specialized study dedicated to the monastery, from 1901, appears to reference an earlier work from 1891. Zanahary (talk) 17:57, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- That fits hook Alt1--evrik (talk) 23:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1 doesn’t seem unusual to me. Is it? It’s also not very well supported by the source, which refers to the “earliest known” story and thus allows the possibility for earlier texts not written centuries after his death. I’d recommend you write a new hook. Zanahary (talk) 06:52, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Here is another source used by the ru.wiki
- How about this?
- Alt2 ... that Xenophon of Robeika simply wanted to live an ascetic life?
- --evrik (talk) 21:20, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I’m afraid that this is also not unusual, considering he was a monk. I’ll also point out that the article still contains a claim that I tried to check in the cited source and was unable to, in the first sentence of the life story section (that his vita was lost and had to be rewritten). That should be resolved, unless you can substantiate the claim (in which case, it’s make a great hook). Once that’s resolved, I’m happy to suggest some alternate hooks. ꧁Zanahary꧂ (talk) 22:20, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think what you're looking for is here: source used by the ru.wiki --evrik (talk) 23:02, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- I’m afraid that this is also not unusual, considering he was a monk. I’ll also point out that the article still contains a claim that I tried to check in the cited source and was unable to, in the first sentence of the life story section (that his vita was lost and had to be rewritten). That should be resolved, unless you can substantiate the claim (in which case, it’s make a great hook). Once that’s resolved, I’m happy to suggest some alternate hooks. ꧁Zanahary꧂ (talk) 22:20, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1 doesn’t seem unusual to me. Is it? It’s also not very well supported by the source, which refers to the “earliest known” story and thus allows the possibility for earlier texts not written centuries after his death. I’d recommend you write a new hook. Zanahary (talk) 06:52, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- That fits hook Alt1--evrik (talk) 23:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don’t see that in the source. It says the first known specialized study dedicated to the monastery, from 1901, appears to reference an earlier work from 1891. Zanahary (talk) 17:57, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Zanahary: Top of page 84. --evrik (talk) 22:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Which page is it on? Could you quote it? Zanahary (talk) 20:02, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's in the Ankudinov work, which you have to translate. --evrik (talk) 18:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Came to respond to a request by Evrik on my user talk to move this to SOHA, but it sounds like Zanahary had remaining questions about the hook source, was asking for a quote? Valereee (talk) 14:53, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Zanahary, Evrik has been blocked from editing for a period of 1 month from 14 June, so they will not be able to respond here until that is resolved. TSventon (talk) 12:19, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
As the nomination is currently not viable and it will be over two months old by the time evrik is unblocked, I am marking it as rejected; if anyone wants to adopt it, the deadline is urgently approaching. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Closing nomination as stale. Flibirigit (talk) 00:52, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
