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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page with a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area and then promoted into the Queue. To update this page, purge it.

Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
May 12 1
May 18 1
May 20 1
May 27 1
May 30 2
June 2 1
June 3 2 1
June 7 1
June 8 1
June 9 2
June 10 1
June 11 1
June 13 1
June 14 2
June 15 2
June 17 2
June 19 2 1
June 20 1
June 21 3
June 22 3 1
June 23 6 4
June 24 4 1
June 25 2 1
June 26 9 4
June 27 3 2
June 28 8 5
June 29 5 4
June 30 6 5
July 1 9 6
July 2 5 5
July 3 10 6
July 4 9 5
July 5 8 4
July 6 13 9
July 7 11 5
July 8 10 6
July 9 8 3
July 10 10 6
July 11 9 3
July 12 8 3
July 13 14 5
July 14 12 5
July 15 6 3
July 16 12 7
July 17 10 5
July 18 5
July 19 9
July 20 2
July 21 3
Total 257 115
Last updated 14:17, 21 July 2024 UTC
Current time is 14:37, 21 July 2024 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominators

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If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing. Further information can be found at the DYK guidelines.

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Frequently asked questions

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How do I write an interesting hook?

Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area. Lastly, they are concise, and do not attempt to cover multiple facts or present information about the subject beyond what's needed to understand the hook.

When will my nomination be reviewed?

This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first, it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions below).

Where is my hook?

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

Instructions for reviewers

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Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
  • Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
  • The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
  • To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING  :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
  • Save the page.
  • After the nomination is approved, a bot will automatically list the nomination page on Template talk:Did you know/Approved.

If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Advanced procedures

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How to promote an accepted hook

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At-a-glance instructions on how to promote an approved hook to a prep area
Check list for nomination review completeness
  1. Select a hook from the approved nominations page that has one of these ticks at the bottom post: .
  2. Check to make sure basic review requirements were completed.
    • Any outstanding issue following needs to be addressed before promoting.
  3. Check the article history for any substantive changes since it was nominated or reviewed.
  4. Images for the lead slot must be freely licensed. Fair-use images are not permitted. Images loaded on Commons that appear on the Main Page are automatically protected by KrinkleBot.
  5. Hook must be stated in both the article and source (which must be cited at the end of the article sentence where stated).
  6. Hook should make sense grammatically.
  7. Try to vary subject matters within each prep area.
  8. Try to select a funny, quirky or otherwise upbeat hook for the last or bottom hook in the set.
Steps to add a hook to prep
  • In one tab, open the nomination page of the hook you want to promote.
  • In a second tab, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.

Wanna skip all this fuss? Install WP:PSHAW instead! Does most of the heavy lifting for ya :)

  1. For hooks held for specific dates, refer to "Local update times" section on DYK Queue.
    • Completed Prep area number sets will be promoted by an administrator to corresponding Queue number.
  2. Copy and paste the hook into a chosen slot.
    • Make sure there's a space between ... and that, and a ? at the end.
    • Check that there's a bold link to the article.
  3. If it's the lead (first) hook, paste the image where indicated at the top of the template.
  4. Copy and paste ALL the credit information (the {{DYKmake}} and {{DYKnom}} templates) at the bottom
  5. Check your work in the prep's Preview mode.
    • At the bottom under "Credits", to the right of each article should have the link "View nom subpage" ; if not, a subpage parameter will need to be added to the DYKmake.
  6. Save the Prep page.
Closing the DYK nomination page
  1. At the upper left
    • Change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • Change |passed= to |passed=yes
  2. At the bottom
    • Just above the line containing

      }}<!--Please do not write below this line or remove this line. Place comments above this line.-->

      insert a new, separate line containing one of the following:
      To [[T:DYK/P1|Prep 1]]
      To [[T:DYK/P2|Prep 2]]
      To [[T:DYK/P3|Prep 3]]
      To [[T:DYK/P4|Prep 4]]
      To [[T:DYK/P5|Prep 5]]
      To [[T:DYK/P6|Prep 6]]
      To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]
    • Also paste the same thing into the edit summary.
  3. Check in Preview mode. Make sure everything is against a pale blue background (nothing outside) and there are no stray characters, like }}, at the top or bottom.
  4. Save.

For more information, please see T:TDYK#How to promote an accepted hook.

Handy copy sources:

  • To [[T:DYK/P1|Prep 1]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P2|Prep 2]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P3|Prep 3]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P4|Prep 4]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P5|Prep 5]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P6|Prep 6]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]

How to remove a rejected hook

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  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue

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  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name

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  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.

Nominations

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Older nominations

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Articles created/expanded on May 12

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Interstate 85 in North Carolina

  • ... that I-85 switches directions from milemarker 96 to 102 in Davidson County?
  • Reviewed:
  • Comment: You're gonna have to zoom at least 75% into the map image to see the red line, which is I-85.
Improved to Good Article status by NoobThreePointOh (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

NoobThreePointOh (talk) 17:33, 12 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • It's not immediately obvious what you're talking about, and you should make it clear where this "Davidson County" place is for people who won't realize it's in North Carolina, USA. So ...
ALT1: ... that for six miles (9.6 km) in Davidson County, North Carolina, traffic on I-85 drives on the left?
I also wonder if you were able to find any explanation for this in your research. I think it's been noted elsewhere as the only significant place in the US with LHT. And maybe we should put that in the intro. Daniel Case (talk) 05:17, 14 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hmmm... I suppose that works. I'm just a little unsure about what hook exactly to choose. Yeah, I'll probably place it in the intro. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 09:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Unpromoted. Pulled per Special:Diff/1232390332. Note this is the second time this hook has been pulled, so sending it back to unapproved to get a good hard look. RoySmith (talk) 14:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

  • @Daniel Case: @BlueMoonset: @JuniperChill: For everyone here, this article had to be unpromoted from DYK due to the sourcing coming from Google Maps. After having found a much better source from NCDOT, which this article has a map, I'd like to get approval to see if it now meets the requirements for DYK. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 15:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
    (drive by comment) I don't think "drives on the left" is an accurate description of what happens here. Especially with the link, this seems to indicate that left-hand traffic rules apply (instead, all that happens is that the two directions cross over each other). If we had true left hand traffic, each direction should have its shoulder and most exits on the left hand side. —Kusma (talk) 16:08, 3 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Yes, and honestly as per my previous comment IMHO we need an explicit source saying it drives on the left rather than just inferring that from a map when nobody else has noted it. As such, the switch from Google maps to a NCDOT map doesn't really address this central concern. The map still only sources that they two roads cross over each other twice, not that it's a "drive on the left" area. Somewhere like the United States Virgin Islands, on the other hand, it's clearly sourced that they drive on the left.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:37, 3 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Well, I guess I've given up on the DYK nomination then. All that effort I put in for nothing. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 16:49, 3 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
    The reliability of GM is disputed, according to WP:RSP WP:GOOGLEMAPS. Its neither stated as reliable nor unreliable even after several discussions. But anyway It clearly shows that the I85 switches sides like a diverging diamond interchange without traffic lights. Since I am new to Wikipedia and DYK, I may as well leave it to another person to review/promote this hook. JuniperChill (talk) 19:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@RoySmith, Daniel Case, NoobThreePointOh, and JuniperChill: FWIW there is an article here - [1] which discusses this in detail. I suppose it's questionable whether the "North Carolina Rabbit Hole" is a reliable source, but the guy does seem to have done his research and interviewed the road's designer and suchlike, so interested on opinions on that?  — Amakuru (talk) 19:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Great find! I really like this concept of two rest stops in the middle that can be accessed by (normal) right exits. The author seems to be slightly more "independent journalist" than "blogger" but it isn't completely obvious why he passes our RS guidelines. If we trust his statement that there are almost no sources on this but do not trust his statement about the rest area, we won't be able to continue. —Kusma (talk) 19:47, 3 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • I started working my way through the article. To be honest, I have no idea how this passed GA; the sourcing is just abyssimal. For example, I'm looking at the first paragraph of "South Carolina to Charlotte". This entire paragraph is cited to map of Cleveland County which doesn't begin to say most of things the paragraph says. "from Cherokee County", as far as I can tell from the map, it's York County. "Most of the Interstate for its first few miles is generally rural in nature and remains four lanes." No clue how the map supports any of that. "which quietly merges onto I-85". Quietly? The map says quietly? "Interstate meets US 74 at a unique weave interchange" Unique? The maps says it's unique? "Both routes also enter Kings Mountain." Looking at the Google map, that does appear to be an accurate statement, but the cited NC DOT map certainly doesn't show it. But, to get to the matter at hand; the (supposedly) left-hand drive sections of I-85 The entire paragraph that contains this statement is cited to https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/State-Mapping/Documents/thumbs/Davidson.pdf, which doesn't even come close to supporing almost anything in that paragraph. "The landscape becomes more rural"??? "I-85 enters a large forest with tree-lined medians"??? This really should have it's GA revoked as a defective review, but I just don't have the energy to file it. RoySmith (talk) 20:06, 3 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
@RoySmith and NoobThreePointOh: What is the status of this review, given that the above GA has not been edited in over a week?--Launchballer 07:40, 14 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Launchballer: I have finished editing the article. However, there are some last-minute citations that I need to get from @Bneu2013: in order to add them and see if the article does meet GA criteria. Unfortunately, I'm out of town without my computer until the 17th, and all of the info that I added is stored in it. The only thing I can do is get back on the 17th, head to my computer, and add the citations. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 07:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
As far as I can tell, the issues I raised at Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Interstate 85 in North Carolina/1 have not been addressed. I don't see how we can run this. RoySmith (talk) 12:55, 14 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Again, I really am not able to edit the article without my computer. As aforementioned, the information I wrote is in the edit phase, and I need the citations to officially finish it up. Now yes, I can understand if the article gets delisted, but IMO, I don't think it's necessarily fair due to me being unable to edit. If the article is going to get delisted, then I guess I just have to nominate it again after getting back. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 14:30, 14 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi NoobThreePointOh it is now past the 17th; unless you are able to resolve the GAR ASAP, this DYK nom will have to be timed out. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:14, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
AirshipJungleman29, yes. I am officially done fixing the citations and improving the article, which I just did today. The GAR has not been closed, but there are no comments. Despite no consensus, I have made massive renovations to the article so that it can probably be within GA criteria. Hopefully the article doesn't get delisted. There's no point in doing the DYK IMO since it's been more than seven days since the article had the GA icon. But as long as the article seems well-written, I guess I can be okay with that. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 12:52, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

References

Articles created/expanded on May 18

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Ceasefire proposal for Israel–Hamas war (May 5)

Created by Vice regent (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 10 past nominations.

VR (Please ping on reply) 03:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • The notability of the article is questionable. If the proposal is not implemented and is replaced by another proposal (which seems to be the case at the moment) do you think anyone will be remotely interested in this article a year from now? Vegan416 (talk) 14:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • I do think it’s a significant proposal that will continue to be mentioned years from now. For example, consider the Palestinian proposal at Camp David, which was eventually replaced by an Israeli proposal. Initial media coverage was mainly focused on the Israeli proposal, but as the years passed by academic literature began to pick up on the Palestinian proposal and we can see evidence of WP:SIGCOV in 2003, 2006, 2007, 2012, 2017 etc.VR (Please ping on reply) 04:13, 31 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Issue with all 3 hooks: lack sufficient clarity that Israel did not agree (both before and after). Do you have an alternative suggestion? FortunateSons (talk) 06:54, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

FortunateSons here is another suggestion:

VR (Please ping on reply) 16:07, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

  • Vice regent This is definitely better, but I would like an uninvolved person to evaluate it. Thank you :) FortunateSons (talk) 16:13, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Issue with hook 2 (and maybe hook 3 as well): The claim may be factually incorrect or misleading. Another reliable source claims that Hamas is not ready to give up its weapons: ""Hamas will not surrender its guns or sign a proposal that asks for that,” Arab mediators said Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar told them in a brief message they received Thursday, as two top U.S. officials, including Central Intelligence Agency Director William Burns, hold talks in the region aimed at jump-starting long-stalled negotiations." Vegan416 (talk) 18:38, 6 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • But the proposal is not asking for Hamas to give up its guns? In any case, joining two reliably sourced statements to come to a conclusion is WP:SYNTH. Do you have any reliable sources that directly state that Hamas has rejected this proposal? VR (Please ping on reply) 04:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • ALT4: ...that a ceasefire proposal to the Israel-Hamas war presented by Joe Biden on May 31 was nearly identical to the one presented by Egypt and Qatar on May 5?Source: [9]

Alt4 should be interesting and uncontroversial.VR (Please ping on reply) 05:24, 12 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Vice regent: Article attributes, hook doesn't. This should be changed.--Launchballer 12:58, 28 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
  This is in the first bit of 'Proposals' and is a summary of that section's three subsections. Fine by me, an actual reviewer can adjudicate. Full review needed.--Launchballer 14:02, 28 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
  This is currently the oldest fully unreviewed nomination and I need a QPQ, so I'm reviewing. Long enough, new enough. Hook checks out per my comment above. QPQ done. Earwig has no valid complaints. There were a few single-sentence WP:PARAGRAPHs and some content bordering on WP:PROSELINE; due to the age of this nom, I've fixed it myself. Let's roll.--Launchballer 09:20, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Under discussion, see Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Israel–Palestine hook. Please continue that discussion here. Schwede66 01:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Vice regent: Continuing the thread from WT:DYK:
why is it relevant that ""article has changed considerably between the original nomination on 18 May and promotion to prep on 5 July""? @User:Launchballer reviewed it on 09:20, 5 July 2024 and presumably did not find any issues with it. – What had me concerned is the possibility of the political situation evolving such that the hook no longer reflects current events (per WP:DYKG). However, it does seem that the original proposal is still on the table [11], so that should be solvable by adding a source published more recently.
As for catchiness, I guess that's subjective. – I stand by my original comment, since I feel having three phases alone isn't a particularly unusual aspect of a plan, but I welcome alternative phrasings or opinions. Complex/Rational 14:22, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
@ComplexRational: that's exactly why I chose ALT5. It is a historical fact that simply can't change due to any political developments. Even if the original proposal is no longer on the table, or this entire diplomatic process fails, I think this is still very much an encyclopedic article, for example consider the failed Camp David Summit (see the proposals listed there). As for catchiness, sure we can work on that. Some ideas, all of which are based on historic events that can't be changed:
Do any of those sound interesting? Can provide sources if interest is there.VR (Please ping on reply) 17:42, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Vice regent: The most interesting and workable of these IMO is ALT7, with the small correction of "to the Israel-Hamas War" to "for the Israel–Hamas War".
I'm not as sure about the others. ALT8 might be confusing to some readers since the article later talks about yet-to-be-accepted proposals and could give a false impression that an end to the war is imminent. The idea behind ALT6 is good, though "by stage 2" contradicts the statement that hostages would be released during stage 2 (lead section, second paragraph), and "would envisioned" should be changed to "envision" (grammar, and better to say "the proposal envisions" because the proposal itself is not hypothetical). Complex/Rational 21:23, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
I think any hook involving the CIA should mention the word 'director' for precision.--Launchballer 12:10, 17 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Source: "Israel did not even send a delegation to the talks over the weekend, which, in addition to Hamas, included the Egyptians, Qataris, and a US delegation led by CIA director William Burns. (The US does not negotiate directly with Hamas, which it considers a terrorist organization, but communicates its positions and proposals to the group through the intermediaries.) "
Rationale: fairly interesting hook because, as the source itself explains, the US and Hamas don't often see eye to eye.VR (Please ping on reply) 05:16, 21 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Vice regent: Where is it in the article? For what it's worth, I think the hook should be reworded to begin "that a ceasefire proposal for the Israel-Hamas war presented on May 5" and end "director of the CIA".--Launchballer 10:16, 21 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on May 20

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Praetoria of Constantinople

 
Theodorus and Theophanes
Created by Alessandro57 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 83 past nominations.

Alex2006 (talk) 16:11, 20 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  @Narutolovehinata5: you are right, sorry, QPQ done. Alex2006 (talk) 05:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited:   - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting:  
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   AGF on non-English sources, although was able to verify the basic facts elsewhere. Only concern would be the last sentence of the introduction: "At least two buildings with this function existed in the city". It is unclear if this is talking about jails, or places where the prefect dispensed justice. @Alessandro57: - Are you able to address this? CSJJ104 (talk) 16:28, 15 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

  You are right, @CSJJ104:, it wasn't clear, thanks. Updated everywhere with sources. Alex2006 (talk) 11:10, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Alessandro57: Reading this with the recent additions, is the article intended to cover both buildings, or just the one? If it's covering both then possibly it should be moved to Praetoria of Constantinople, otherwise the article should make clear which building it covers. CSJJ104 (talk) 12:49, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
  Hallo @CSJJ104:, your concern has been addressed: article moved to plural. Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 14:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
  Performed a copyedit on the lead, but otherwise good to go. I assume good faith on the non-English sources. CSJJ104 (talk) 17:55, 27 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Note that I've nominated the image for deletion. All that means is that this can't become the lead hook; no other issues. Schwede66 06:11, 1 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
  @Alessandro57 and CSJJ104: Senina 2008 pp.267–268 does not verify that the branding took place within the Praetoria, and as a translation of a primary source it is not a reliable source for the hook. Meanwhile, Janin 1950 is pushing the limits of WP:RSAGE, so unless it is watertight (could you please supply a quote that supports the hook) I think a new hook might be needed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:06, 2 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Also noting that the image was kept.--Launchballer 16:13, 2 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
@AirshipJungleman29: WP:RSAGE does not really apply here; this is a historical article, where the narrative part of history, which relies on medieval sources, is not liable to change much. The only developments could be the discovery and publication of major written sources or archaeological excavations, but the former hasn't been the case and the latter is unlikely to happen given that the sites lie at the heart of Istanbul, where only major infrastructure projects like the subway have led to extensive archaeological discoveries. In summary, Janin is still very much a WP:RS and valid for this topic, as can be seen by its still frequent use in 21st-century scholarly works. Constantine 10:09, 3 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Cplakidas I trust your judgement re. RSAGE, but would still like to see a quote. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
AirshipJungleman29 Thanks for pointing this out. I'm not actually able to access Senina 2008 and didn't notice the issue. Can I check though, is your objection purely to its use to cite the hook, or should the article also be updated? CSJJ104 (talk) 23:04, 3 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
  Thanks a lot for your supplement of review and your comments, @AirshipJungleman29: , @CSJJ104: ,@Cplakidas:.Unfortunately I find myself since a week in the Poli and I have neither a PC with me(I am writing on a phone :-((() nor Janin (btw, for this article I have been forced to use the 1950 edition because the 1964 revised edition was borrowed by someone else). I agree with Constantine that for this kind of articles one has to rely heavily upon the primary sources, because it is all that we have. Anyway, I added another online secondary source to the text (Abschnitt V.17, unfortunately in German), and I hope that this will solve the problem. Cheers from Istanbul, Alex2006 (talk) 06:11, 7 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I genuinely can't work out what this needs another reviewer for.--Launchballer 17:08, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hallo @Launchballer:, does not it mean that the issue has been addressed? Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 14:31, 14 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
No, that symbol is used when either a second opinion is sought (e.g. Yang Jingru (speed skater)) or new reviewer is requested such as for the reviewer's hook (e.g. Jump (Tyla, Gunna and Skillibeng song)). What you need in this instance is for @AirshipJungleman29: to confirm whether he is satisfied with the sourcing.--Launchballer 19:44, 14 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks! I used ping, but none came til now...Alex2006 (talk) 20:35, 14 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
  No Alessandro57, the De Gruyter source still does not verify the hook. To repeat what I said above, it needs to verify "that the branding took place within the Praetoria". ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:34, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
... mmmh, in this case I propose the following hook:
ALT1: ... that in the Praetorium of Constantinople the Eparch ordered the brothers Theodorus and Theophanes (pictured) to be branded with twelve iambic verses on their forehead and torso?
What do You think about it, AirshipJungleman29? Alex2006 (talk) 05:15, 16 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Still not verified by the source, unless I have missed the relevant sentence. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:42, 17 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Here it is, AirshipJungleman29."Nach einem erneuten Verhör, diesmal beim Eparchen...habe der Eparch die Durchführung der von Theophilos verhängten Strafe angeordnet und am 18. Juli 836 T. und Theodoros die zwölf Verse in ihre Gesichter schreiben lassen". About 'forehead and torso', there is Janin:"l'empereur leur fit graver au fer rouge sur le front et sur la poitrine douze vers iambiques..." "L'eparque les fit comparaitre devant lui." in the chapter about the Praetorium, which was the place where the Eparch dispensed justice. Alex2006 (talk) 03:39, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
There is still no verification that the sentencing happened in the Praetorium. You seem to have read "the Praetorium was where the Eparch dispensed justice" and "the Eparch ordered these men be branded" and assumed that the latter happened in the Praetorium—but that is WP:SYNTH, forbidden on WP. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 09:21, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
  The praetorium is where the Eparch lived and dispensed justice, so there is no reason to assume that this happened somewhere else. De Gruyter affirms that the two are imprisoned in the praetorium, then the Eparch bring them to the emperor, then there is another court hearing in front of the Eparch. A court hearing usually takes place in a court building, not in the middle of the road. This is independently confirmed by Janin, which is a RS too. In his book, Janin organizes all the information referenced in the article in a chapter named "The Praetorium" (the building), not "The Eparch" (the office). This means that everything described there, like: "L'eparque les fit comparaitre devant lui", unless another place is explicitly mentioned, happens in the praetorium, not somewhere else. And WP:SYNTH doesn't apply here, because we have two reliable sources, so there is no valid reason to refuse ALT1. Anyway, I think it is time to ask for a second reviewer, Launchballer. The review should concern only ALT1. Thanks for your time. Alex2006 (talk) 05:27, 19 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

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Kaur (short film)

  • ... that in the British short film Kaur, a Sikh father does not approve of his daughter wearing a turban?
  • Source: ""Kaur" told the story of a Sikh woman who chose to defy her father's wishes by wearing a turban."...[12]
  • Reviewed: William Post
  • Comment: Still have a bit more work to do on it
5x expanded by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 197 past nominations.

Whispyhistory (talk) 05:57, 3 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

I'm still not so sure if this works either. @Launchballer: What do you think? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Parentheses aren't allowed per WP:DYK200, and I think 'ITVX, Britbox and then Netflix' is pure namedropping (and it should really be 'Britbox, and'). I'll take a look when I get back, but I'd be inclined to take a rewritten version of ALT1, like so: ALT1a: ... that prior to appearing on video-on-demand services, the 2022 short film Kaur had toured festivals, universities, and gurdwaras? Also, is there a difference between 'gurdwara' and 'gurudwara'?--Launchballer 11:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I just had a flick through the references. Per ref #3, there's a hook in some variant of ... that Dr Parvinder Shergill became so fed up of waiting for another film to be led by a Sikh woman that she co-wrote and co-produced her own?.--Launchballer 14:42, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you both... I'll work on it... sounds good. Whispyhistory (talk) 16:13, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • ALT2... that British Sikh physician Parvinder Shergill could not find a recent mainstream English film led by a woman that looked like her so she co-wrote and co-produced her own?Actor, writer and producer Parvinder Shergill...she's had to wait too long to see movies featuring women who look like her....Bend it like Beckham, 20 years ago, was the last mainstream film to feature women from her background...She co-wrote and co-produced it ...[13][14] Whispyhistory (talk) 13:59, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Reads a bit breathless. I'm going to suggest:
ALT2a... that after British Sikh physician Parvinder Shergill could not find a recent mainstream English film led by a woman that looked like her, she co-wrote and co-produced her own?
  ...and call for a full reviewer.--Launchballer 21:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

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Felix Eberty

  • ... that the 1846 book The Stars and World History by Felix Eberty, which contemplated a faraway observer seeing "the earth at this moment as it existed at the time of Abraham", inspired a young Albert Einstein?
  • Source: "By the time that Felix Eberty, a German jurist and amateur astronomer, anonymously published “The Stars and World History,” in 1846, it was well known that light had a finite speed... Eberty was particularly fascinated by what this delay meant for a faraway observer of our planet. Perched on a distant star, he wrote, such a person might “see the earth at this moment as it existed at the time of Abraham.” Furthermore, by hopscotching across the cosmos, “he will be able to represent to himself, as rapidly as he pleases, that moment in the world’s history which he wishes to observe at leisure.” Eberty had witnessed great gains in the speed of transportation and communication during his lifetime, and he believed that humanity might soon be travelling even faster than light.

Among the impressionable young Germans who read Eberty and Bernstein was one named Albert Einstein."

The New Yorker
Moved to mainspace by Thriley (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 134 past nominations.

Thriley (talk) 21:39, 6 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

  •   The article is sufficiently long and new, has citations throughout, and appears to be written neutrally. I AGF on offline and German language sources. QPQ is done. There is some trouble in the references with a citation template, and then there's the matter of the hook. The hook says Eberty "inspired" Einstein, but the above quote does not verify that, only that Einstein read Eberty. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
 
Felix Eberty self-portrait circa 1850

Erdős–Moser equation

The support for the hook is in the article's abstract.
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5x expanded by LucasBrown (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

LucasBrown 11:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

I'll also note that the article would be better with a bit more prose to contextualize what is going on here. Currently the article itself is very inaccessible to the average reader, it would be nice to have a background of why this equation is important (I see the term "Diophantine equation" being used, maybe you could include a few sentences on how this relates to the article) and some prose (as opposed to proofs) to convey the methods being used to solve it. Sohom (talk) 01:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
According to our DYK rules, "Hooks should be likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest". I don't think that is the case for the proposed hook. Also, I think the hook is misleading: as far as we know, it could be the case that all solutions of the equation are the single solution 1+2=3, unrelated to the log(2) calculation. And calling this an "application" is dubious when it is just a mathematical calculation used to support another mathematical calculation. I have generally interpreted this rule as requiring that the hook connect the subject to some real-world topic beyond mathematics (just as we require that hooks about fiction connect the subject to some real-world topic beyond the plot). Unfortunately I see no non-mathematics at all in the article, on which to build a hook. It's kind of interesting to me that the known lower bound on a second solution is such a huge number, but I don't think I represent a general reader for this purpose. I do also agree that the walls of equations make the article hard to read (not just to the average reader), but that is not really a DYK criterion. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
To be honest, as a non-math guy, this hook is remarkably uninteresting. Though that is obviously my opinion, it shows that it is likely not a suitable one, or the article as a whole as a matter of a fact. TheBritinator (talk) 01:43, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
How about "... that the only known solution for the Erdős–Moser equation is "1 + 2 = 3" ? DS (talk) 21:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I think it's better. It still doesn't relate to non-mathematics at all, but at least it's (1) at a level understandable to the general reader, and (2) kind of intriguing how something so basic-looking as 1+2=3 could be the basis of something where we don't know if there is another solution. The question is whether it's enough better to pass the interestingness test. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:27, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I also think that's better. I was going to suggest something like "... no one knows whether the Erdős–Moser equation has more than one solution". XOR'easter (talk) 22:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I have added the 1+2=3 hook to the list. - LucasBrown 04:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT1 is brilliant! Schwede66 04:00, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

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David Fishwick

Dave Fishwick on James English's Anything Goes podcast
Created by Launchballer (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 232 past nominations.

Launchballer 12:01, 2 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited:  
  • Interesting:  
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   Good to go! 🌙Eclipse (talk) (contribs) 21:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

I call false positive as that quote is fully attributed and therefore not a copyright violation.--Launchballer 22:19, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Approving ALT0. 🌙Eclipse (talk) (contribs) 22:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
For context, The Times published a piece yesterday morning that directly contradicted my hook, which meant it wasn't accurate (he could afford a chip butty, just a slightly smaller one than usual). I also noticed that the Telegraph did not mention lunch, probably because it was in fact dinner. I will propose some more hooks later, but for now, I got severely carried away expanding the article, meaning that around only three eighths of this has actually been reviewed. This will definitely require a new reviewer. (Incidentally, that "Fighting Against the Elite" video is actually Creative Commons, so I have uploaded it to this nomination.)--Launchballer 20:04, 22 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT3: ... that David Fishwick went from a £27.50 a week pebbledashing job to becoming the biggest minibus supplier in Britain?
ALT4: ... that David Fishwick used to stuff his wallet with paper to appear richer to prospective sellers?
ALT5: ... that David Fishwick married his wife after she told him his music was rubbish?
ALT6: ... that David Fishwick decided he no longer wanted to be poor following an incident involving a chip butty?
ALT7: ... that a Times reviewer of Channel 4's Bank of Dave opined that David Fishwick "could have been one of the best comedy characters of 2012"?
... and if "200 characters" wasn't a thing, I'd propose "that David Fishwick's How to Get Rich Quick "encourages people of modest means to pursue equally modest dreams in the very modest hopes, several weeks of hard work later, of doubling their modest investments"?.--Launchballer 10:15, 24 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT8: ... that when a writer contacted David Fishwick to express interest in making a film about his bank, he insisted that it was shot in Burnley?--Launchballer 13:27, 28 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@LunaEclipse: As the original reviewer, please indicate which ALTs above, if any, are approved and if this article is approved. Z1720 (talk) 01:33, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

  This article has tripled in size since LunaEclipse's original approval. This should probably get another review. With the benefit of a few weeks, my preference is ALT6 as closest to the original struck hook.--Launchballer 07:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply


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Over the Hill with the Swords of a Thousand Men (The Boys episode)

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Created by TarheelBornBred (talk) and Ulises1126 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

TarheelBornBred (talk) 17:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • Passerby comment (this is not a full review, feel free for others to take this nomination to review): to a reader without context not familiar with characters in the show, "Stormfront's lightning" will read weirdly, like a misspelled comment on the brightness of the Stormfront website. "Researched" is also a bit high-falutin', it's not like they actually did some physics research for the episode - the source quotes them as saying "we looked at Nikola Tesla". Maybe something like:
  • ALT2 includes Stormfront still if desired, but clarifies that it's talking about a character not the website. SnowFire (talk) 03:37, 13 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • It might be too late by now, I do not know, but ALT 2 sounds fine to me. TarheelBornBred (talk) 1:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

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Better Off Dead?

Moved to mainspace by Sdrqaz (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 8 past nominations.

Sdrqaz (talk) 03:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

  •   no issues with the article. original hook is bad, taking a quote out of context. alt1 is boring. alt2 is confusing, and made me think that there was a hotline you could call in the documentary. ltbdl (talk) 02:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Rating this article as a Start seems ... pretty low (is it "developing but still quite incomplete"?). If I may be frank, this review is seems a little harsh. ALT0 was not taken out of context: the reviewer is saying that the documentary was funny, no (see the quote)? I don't know how to address the charge of ALT1 being boring (I thought that something being unnerving and making a reviewer regret watching was interesting), and as for ALT2, I don't really follow: I believe that they did call the hotline in the documentary. Sdrqaz (talk) 14:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
    of course the review is harsh, this is going on the main page. as for alt2, the wording is unclear. perhaps say something like "they call an automated hotline"? ltbdl (talk) 16:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
    I've added ALT0a, which hopefully addresses the concern of "original hook is bad, taking a quote out of context", given that it is the same formulation as the source. Sdrqaz (talk) 22:58, 19 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
    My 2c: I'd paraphrase so funny to hilarious instead of writing it in Wikipedia's voice; see MOS:QUOTEPOV. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 12:16, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
    @Nineteen Ninety-Four guy and Ltbdl: My interpretation of QUOTEPOV was that attribution was preferred in this instance as "Concise opinions that are not overly emotive can often be reported with attribution instead of direct quotation" (second paragraph). Sdrqaz (talk) 23:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Right, which is why it should be directly attributed to The Times instead of referring to the publication as merely the reviewer, and so funny should neither be quoted nor written in Wiki's voice since it creates POV issues either way:
    hilarious should be neutral enough with attribution to the source, IMO. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 06:07, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
    @Nineteen Ninety-Four guy and Ltbdl: I don't understand how hilarious is more neutral than funny, given that funny seems like a not overly emotive ... simple descriptive term. I also do not think that it is necessary to mention which source that is in the hook, given that it goes against much of established practice – if you see theleekycauldron's essay (and its application of WP:WEASEL), the addition of "a reviewer" is already more than what is necessary. Sdrqaz (talk) 01:28, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
    @Sdrqaz: Except the reviewer didn't just say funny but so funny, which is near-synonymous with hilarious; the latter can just be as neutral with proper attribution to the speaker. I concede to the "reviewer" bit, tho; I've slightly modified my alt suggestion to reflect this.Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 06:06, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Yes, but the issue with ALT0b's that is that it's comparable to the so in the actual source: by changing so funny to that hilarious, you're actually changing the degree of humor (yes, I can't believe that I am saying this) to so so funny.
      New review of the hooks requested, given ltbdl's inactivity on this; other parts of the review have been completed. Sdrqaz (talk) 03:34, 10 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

my opinion still stands. anyway, if you have to run this article, run alt1. ltbdl (talk) 08:03, 10 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

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Reggie Brown (wide receiver, born 1970)

  • ... that college football player Reggie Brown suffered an injury that causes "a lot of people [to] never even walk right again", but recovered in time for the next season and later made it to the NFL?
Moved to mainspace by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 188 past nominations.

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Barry Burton

Source: [2][3] About Eurogamer YT source. "Jill Sandwich" started at 2:26 to 2:29.

Created by Boneless Pizza! (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 10:39, 9 June 2024 (UTC). Reply

References

  1. ^ Wilson, Aoife (February 9, 2015). Video: Oh my Cod - An ode to Resident Evil's Barry Burton. Eurogamer (Video). Event occurs at 2:26-2:29. Jill Sandwich
  2. ^ McDonell, Jess (January 28, 2013). "Gaming Meme History: Jill Sandwich". GameSpot. Archived from the original on April 11, 2013. Retrieved August 12, 2017.
  3. ^ Wilson, Aoife (February 9, 2015). Video: Oh my Cod - An ode to Resident Evil's Barry Burton (Video). Event occurs at 2:26-2:29. Jill Sandwich

  Length and history verified. References good for original hook. But for ALT1 (and the Eurogamer one for the original, if you are linking to a page with video use {{cite AV media}} and give us the time when the statement is made in the video instead of making us look through the whole thing. Daniel Case (talk) 05:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Daniel Case about Eurogamer. "Jill Sandwich" started at 2:26 to 2:29. Thanks for informing me. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 06:00, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Daniel Case: Have your concerns been addressed, and is this approved? If not, what needs to be done to approve this nomination? Z1720 (talk) 01:41, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
OK, sorry for taking so long to get back to you. You need to change the cite in the article to {{cite AV media}} so you can put the time in the cite in the article. If you feel that's too complicated, I would be happy to do it for you. Daniel Case (talk) 02:15, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Daniel Case Done. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 02:44, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Um, no. Source 28 still doesn't have it, you haven't edited the article in three weeks, and the only edit since you wrote that wasn't to that source. Daniel Case (talk) 02:38, 17 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Daniel Case I thought only here at DYK nom. Sorry. I already added now. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 02:51, 17 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Architects' Tombs

 
Architects Tombs at Jaffa Gate, Jerusalem
Created by PeleYoetz (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

PeleYoetz (talk) 11:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • I have begun the review process of this DYK, and the hook seems good and accurate, based on the source cited. The article is also new enough, having been created on 9 June 2024.

  Article length and age are fine; no copyright violations or plagiarism could be found; reliable sources are used. Since, according to the sources cited, there are several suspected identifications for these graves, it is perhaps best to add in the lead paragraph: “Although disputed, these graves are attributed to the engineers of Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent, who, according to Jerusalem legend, built the city's wall.” The hook should also clarify this point. For example:

Thank you @Davidbena:, it sounds good to me. Is there anything else needed from my side? PeleYoetz (talk) 09:53, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'll go over the article again to check for things that I may have missed, but this will have to wait until Thursday, after we have concluded our holiday.Davidbena (talk) 12:19, 11 June 2024 (UTC
  •   Based on the first reference/source that you cite in the article, the tombs are also known as Engineers' Tomb. This alternate name should also be mentioned in the lead paragraph.Davidbena (talk) 22:38, 12 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Davidbena Now done. PeleYoetz (talk) 09:16, 13 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Davidbena: Have your concerns been resolved, and is this approved? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 01:42, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Z1720:, yes, to the best of my knowledge, all concerns have been resolved, and the DYK should be approved, as it is ready to go.Davidbena (talk) 13:12, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Davidbena: If it is approved, please read the green tick below so that the DYK bot can move this to the approved list. Thanks, Z1720 (talk) 17:03, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
  I am relatively new in the DYK area. I'm not sure what more needs to be done here. As far as I can tell, everything is ready.Davidbena (talk) 18:54, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

  @PeleYoetz and Davidbena: firstly citation 3, to this site, is a WP:SPS and therefore not a WP:RS. Secondly, could I ask which specific pages of the Cathedra source are being cited in the article? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:12, 16 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@AirshipJungleman29:, the author of this article cites from the academic journal "Cathedra" some six times, and the pages cited by him in this journal are pages 83–120. These are broad page numbers, rather than specific page numbers. @PeleYoetz:, is it possible for you to add the specific page number to each cited reference?Davidbena (talk) 17:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Yes—I am asking for the specific page numbers so I can directly check the verifiability. Please also attend to the blogspot source. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:52, 16 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

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Tyla (album)

  • ... that Tyla delayed her debut album's submission date in order to collaborate with Tems? Source: ref: One of the most powerful tracks is "No. 1," featuring Nigerian R&B star Tems. Tyla even pushed back the deadline to turn in the album so she could lock in the collab.
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Created by Dxneo (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

dxneo (talk) 06:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited:  
  • Interesting:  
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: None required.

Overall:   Image isn't appropriate; as per Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines, the image used for DYK must be in the article. It is also pending a review to see if it's free... I can't help there, as I've been unable to find where YouTube is keeping its licensing information ever since it was redesigned.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:41, 12 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Chris Woodrich, would it help if the image was added to the article under this sub-section? And here is the video where the image was taken from, licensed under Creative Commons Attribution license (reuse allowed). Alternatively, can I use this image which is linked in the article? dxneo (talk) 03:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
(An aside - Apparently the license doesn't show up when I'm logged in and using Premium, but it does when logged out. Good to know). — Chris Woodrich (talk) 10:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Chris Woodrich   Done, and I can see the license either logged in or not. dxneo (talk) 12:17, 12 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Okay AirshipJungleman29   Done. dxneo (talk) 16:30, 20 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Dxneo:: Noting that I've tweaked the nomination to remove "(pictured)". Hey man im josh (talk) 19:19, 20 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
  •   @Dxneo, Crisco 1492, and Hey man im josh: Apologies, but I've pulled the hook, both because the set this was promoted to already had two music hooks and thus needed rejigging (see WT:DYK#Prep 4 rejigger; courtesy ping Bruxton), but also because I don't think the hook as currently written meets WP:DYKINT. If readers do not know who Tyla or Tems are, the hook doesn't really seem to make much sense or at least catch attention. There might be potential in the hook fact itself (i.e. the submission date delay), but in any case the hook probably needs to be reworded to add context for readers unfamiliar with either artist. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Narutolovehinata5, Crisco 1492, and Hey man im josh:, I thought the hook was supposed to be concise and straight to the point. "If readers do not know who Tyla or Tems are, the hook doesn't really seem to make much sense or at least catch attention." So how do we go about this, are we supposed to introduce them on DYK? I'm so confused. Any suggestions on how the hook can be improved? dxneo (talk) 08:09, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • I agree with Dxneo. Even without following recent music, I was able to tell that it was "that musician delayed album to allow collaboration with musician." We could contextualize it by including "South African singer" for Tyla and "Nigerian singer" for Tems, but that introduces repetition and doesn't seem to qualify Tyla sufficiently given her Grammy win and charting.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Contextualizing is probably a good idea and what I originally had in mind as the solution. Also while the Grammy winning thing is a good thing, not everyone may be following the Grammys or be as well-versed in entertainment. Not all Grammy winners are household names. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Narutolovehinata5, yes you are right. However, these are two well established artists. Tyla peaked in top 10 in over 25 countries and was also certified higher than Gold in over 10 countries. On the other hand, Tems pretty much did the same thing and even more since she has been in the game longer than Tyla. We may say "South African singer Tyla…" as there are other Tylas, but there's only one Tems. Thoughts? dxneo (talk) 13:33, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

ALT1: ... that South African singer Tyla delayed her debut album's submission date in order to collaborate with Tems?

If the Grammy Award wasn't enough to validate her notability, I hope the BETs got the job done. I mean, how long are we gonna discuss this DYK. dxneo (talk) 07:39, 1 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
The issue was never notability, it was interest and understandability. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:24, 1 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Narutolovehinata5, is the issue now addressed or…? dxneo (talk) 09:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
  I suppose I can live with ALT1, although my preference would still be to include Nigerian singer somewhere in the hook. That would be optional though given the focus is on Tyla and adding that would make the hook far more clunky. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:11, 1 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Just to be on the safe side it might be better for a different editor to make the final decision, just for objectivity's sake. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:06, 1 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

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Shachar Sagiv

 
Sagiv in 2022
  • Source: Supporting articles are here (Triathlon Start List for the Paris 2024 Olympics) and here (that the brother and father are Olympians).
5x expanded by 2603:7000:2101:AA00:DD64:E22E:2B9C:8DC (talk) and Schwede66 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 145 past nominations.

Schwede66 03:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

  •   Although the hook is shorter than 200 characters (at 185 characters), it does seem pretty long and a bit hard to read. I understand it might be difficult to compress the hook into a more concise one, but if that's possible I would suggest doing so anyway. Otherwise, another concern I have is that it's not exactly that uncommon for Olympic athletes to be relatives of other Olympians, and in any case the hook seems more to do with Sagiv's family than he himself. I'd like to see more suggestions that are more about Sagiv himself. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:51, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm a well-known athletics hook hater, but this one is actually unusual and interesting, IMO. Zanahary 06:03, 20 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Actually, it’s indeed rare to have two Olympians who are brothers and who also have a father who is an Olympian. And there is ample coverage of this fact in RSs in regard to him and his family precisely because it is notable. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:C1F0:2A4D:7D90:217B (talk) 08:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
To shorten the hook even further than 185 characters, though I think 185 is appropriately concise, one might consider changing the lead-in of the hook to "that triathlete Shachar Sagiv, who will represent Israel at the 2024 Summer Olympics ..." That would bring the character count down 11, to a tidy 174, 26 characters short of the limit.
In addition, we can bold Ran Sagiv and make the hook about his 5x expansion as well.2603:7000:2101:AA00:A407:4587:FBA9:6E1B (talk) 04:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
You'd have to provide another QPQ, but if you do, we can certainly run this as a double hook. Schwede66 00:36, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Assuming that this will be good to go at some point, I suggest that this be run on 30 July. See Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Olympic hooks table. Schwede66 01:23, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT1 looks good. I will provide another QPQ. Also, run on 30 July makes good sense. Thanks. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:D4A:2D60:FB7D:680A (talk) 20:06, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Don't forget about the second QPQ. Schwede66 04:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Our IP editor might have fallen off the edge of earth. Without a second QPQ, I suggest we unbolden Ran Sagiv and proceed with ALT1a. Narutolovehinata5, are you happy to sign this off on this basis? Schwede66 04:32, 7 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Apologies. Real life interfered. I've now also done a qpq on Victory Vertical. ALT1 looks good. Thanks.2603:7000:2101:AA00:1C0D:29BD:F02A:DC84 (talk) 23:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

  New reviewer needed. Z1720 (talk) 01:44, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

 
Once approved, please place this nomination in the Olympics: Special occasion holding area


Articles created/expanded on June 14

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Kimboo

  • ... that Kimboo—created by an Ivorian First Lady—was the first animated series to both feature a main character of native African descent and air on the U.S. BET network?
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/L'Aube rouge (novel)
  • Comment: Announced for my old article sandbox back in mid-December 2010, but never acted upon till the time I transitioned to my brand-new AFC queue. By the way, here's hoping WP can extend its coverage on African-produced animation in the years ahead. Stay tuned as I prepare for another DYK submission in a couple of days. Take care!
Moved to mainspace by Slgrandson (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 09:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

ALT1: "... that in 1989, the then-First Lady of the Ivory Coast created an animated kids show?" BugGhost🦗👻 14:59, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Birthday of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman

 
Sheikh Mujibur Rahman in 1950s
Created by Mehedi Abedin (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.

Mehedi Abedin (talk) 17:42, 14 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Articles created/expanded on June 15

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Mohan Charan Majhi, 2024 Odisha Legislative Assembly election

5x expanded by Dharmadhyaksha (talk), Rohitsetthachok (talk), Magentic Manifestations (talk), and Aditya anu (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 67 past nominations.

§§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 18:56, 15 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

  •   @Dharmadhyaksha: Articles are long enough and were created/expanded within 7 days of submission. Articles are presentable, sourced, and copy-vio free, though I think the election article could use copyediting to make it more readable (missing punctuation, rephrasing to sound more natural, etc.}. Additionally, the hook's claim that Majhi "formed" a state government isn't stated in the source nor in either article. These things would need to be addressed before approval. Kimikel (talk) 19:19, 30 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Kimikel: Some minor copyediting done. Unfortunately i could not fina any glaring copy editing requirements. But you can help, if you think some sentences need tweeking.
When a Chief Minister takes oath they form the government. Statesman says the new government is formed and that Majhi is the new CM. I don't see what the confusion here is. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 06:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
  •   Requesting a second opinion, as I obviously lack knowledge on the workings of Indian politics. Hopefully someone more acquainted with the subject can review this. Kimikel (talk) 20:08, 7 July 2024 (UTC)Reply


Articles created/expanded on June 17

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Healie

    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: It's a little outside the seven days, but my PC was in the middle of being transferred. I considered an ALT, but I felt that any possible ALT would not be as strong as noting the influence of Healie on the direction of the series.
Improved to Good Article status by Cukie Gherkin (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Cukie Gherkin (talk) 01:05, 26 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

  It's borderline since it's at exactly 200 words, but it might be better for the main reviewer to decide. Given this is your second nomination, the reviewer will probably be lenient about the nomination being slightly late. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Valley Falls train collision

 
1853 daguerreotype of the collision
  • ... that the Valley Falls train collision in 1853 was one of the earliest train wrecks ever photographed? Source: Reed, Robert (1968). Train Wrecks: A Pictorial History of Accidents on the Main Line. Seattle: Superior Pub. Co. pp. 20–21. Also verified by Heppner, Frank H. (2012). Railroads of Rhode Island: shaping the Ocean State's railways. Charleston, South Carolina: History Press. p. 78
Improved to Good Article status by Trainsandotherthings (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 30 past nominations.

Trainsandotherthings (talk) 17:00, 23 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

  •   Article was promoted to GA status on time and I did not find any close paraphrasing. QPQ has been done. Since I can't access either source for the hook I'd like to at least see a quote or excerpt that discusses the hook. As for the hook itself, while it meets WP:DYKINT, the footnote supporting it comes at the end of the paragraph where the sentence is rather than the end of the sentence itself. In addition, the hook and the article do not match: the hook says "one of the earliest" but the article outright says "believed to be the first." I understand this is because of the recent issues with "first" hooks, but as it stands, the article cannot run unless that is resolved first. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
    I don't have access to Train Wrecks right now as I'm in the middle of a move. Heppner says "This was the first train wreck ever to be photographed and printed in a newspaper". I have added an inline cite at the end of the sentence. This is kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation - if we try and run the hook as stated in the sources and article, it will almost certainly be challenged. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 13:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Given the circumstances of the nomination I'm pinging some of the commentors in the recent "first" hooks discussion such as @RoySmith, SL93, and Schwede66: for advice. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:19, 24 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
My usual litmus test for "first" hooks is whether there's a finite set of things, making it possible to definitively order them and see which was first. For example, we can be pretty sure George Washington was indeed the first president of the United States; even the most skeptical of us should be willing to accept that there wasn't one before him that we just somehow haven't found yet in a google search. In this case, photography had only existed for about 20 years when this crash happened. The window of when an earlier photo might have been taken is thus limited, so at least this seems likely to be true. On general principles, however, I think we should say "believed to be" or something like that. FWIW, I found mention of this in the George Eastman House 2008 Annual Report which says "[Train wreck on the Providence Worcester Railroad near to Pawtucket], August 12, 1853. Attributed to L. Wright. Daguerreotype. so there may be some uncertainty about the photographer's identity. RoySmith (talk) 15:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I don't follow the last point. Both the link and the source I use in the article attribute the photograph to L. Wright. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 01:25, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I generally interpret the phrase "attributed to" to indicate a degree of uncertainty. Thus Read my lips: no new taxes says, "Read my lips: no new taxes" is a phrase spoken by American presidential candidate George H. W. Bush. There's no doubt in anybody's mind that he said it. Millions of people watched him say it live on TV and we've got it on videotape to go back and verify. But Gospel of Matthew says The gospel is traditionally attributed to the Apostle Matthew because we're not 100% sure. I think the same thing is going on here; the Eastman folks believe Wright took the image, but they apparently have enough uncertainty about it that they felt the needs to hedge in their statement. RoySmith (talk) 19:44, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I understand now. So what we know without a doubt is this collision happened and it was photographed. Photography was very much an emerging technology at this point so I think this is almost certainly one of the first train collisions ever photographed, if not the first. Railroads as we know them only really emerged around 1830 with the Liverpool and Manchester Railway and the Daguerreotype was invented in 1839. It's difficult to definitively prove this was the first photo, but it was almost certainly one of the earliest. The question is how do we word this in the article and in the hook. An ALT1 about the emergence of a very early form of a coordinated time/time zone in the aftermath of this wreck is also possible, as that is somewhat easier to verify. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 14:04, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Trainsandotherthings: As this is your nomination, you will know the contents of this article better than a reviewer. I suggest that you propose an ALT1 along with what you suggest above, or several ALTs, so the reviewer can determine the most interesting ones. Z1720 (talk) 01:47, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

ALT1: ...that the Valley Falls train collision in 1853 led to the creation of the first time zone in the United States? Source: America's First Time Zone, the Harvard Gazette "That first voluntary time agreement among the railroads became mandatory a few years later, after an 1853 wreck occurred outside Pawtucket, R.I., on a blind curve known as the Boston Switch...After that, railroad time was mandated along the region’s tracks...The result of all this, said Galison and Schechner, was America’s first time zone" Trainsandotherthings (talk) 01:33, 16 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Given the brouhaha about "first" hooks, we will need a much stronger source for the "first time zone" option, or perhaps a revised version that isn't as strong about it being a "first". Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC)Reply


Articles created/expanded on June 19

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2025 Philippine general election

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Created by TheNuggeteer (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

TheNuggeteer (talk) 06:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

  I'm going to overrule this as @TheNuggeteer: is a new user (this is their second nomination) and WP:DYKNEW can be extended for a day or two upon request. (Don't do it again mind.)--Launchballer 07:38, 28 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
The QPQ tool says otherwise, but your funeral. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 08:35, 28 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I don't use the QPQ tool, which is in alphabetical order anyway. I go through users' contribution histories.--Launchballer 08:47, 28 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT1 ... that the 2025 Philippine general election is set to be the first to be held under a new voting system provider after the previous one was disqualified over corruption allegations?
Nothing else stands out that is unique to this particular election or seems to meet DYKINT, at least as of right now. I'll leave it to others if "previous one" should link to Smartmatic. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:16, 3 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Yes, this should be interesting enough sans the wikilink. Thanks, Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 13:26, 3 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Strongly suggest that "will be" be replaced by "is set to be" or the equivalent. WP:CRYSTAL applies here to a certain extent: something could happen in the Philippines to change next year's election provider between now and then—it might even revert to the previous provider, however unlikely that seems at the moment—and "will be" is a definite prediction of the future while "is set to be" simply says that this is what's expected as of today. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Fixed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:19, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
The option seems better, any option is okay if the article is at-least in the main page. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 12:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on June 20

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Orca Shipwreck

  • ... that the Orca Shipwreck, dating from the Late Bronze Age and recently discovered in the eastern Mediterranean, is the earliest deep-sea shipwreck ever found?
Created by Owenglyndur (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Owenglyndur (talk) 13:30, 20 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

This article was created 4 days ago and on the same day i nominated it for DYK. The reason for the name derives from the news articvle staitng it was found next to Israels' Orca gas field. Here is the quote from the article: "While scanning the seabed ahead of developing Israel's Orca natural gas field , Energean observed an anomaly that would change our understanding of ancient navigation skills" Owenglyndur (talk) 07:37, 24 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
  •   New enough and long enough. Hook fact checks out. Nominator was QPQ-exempt. They have been indefinitely blocked for copyvio issues, though Earwig gives a clean bill of health to the existing sources in page, at least in English. Given the nominator's block, I would like this to be double-checked by someone with Hebrew fluency before approval to see if there is copyvio to the Hebrew-language source in this page. I will manage any changes necessary. Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 19:52, 14 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on June 21

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Nicol Spence Galbraith

5x expanded by Whispyhistory (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 198 past nominations.

Whispyhistory (talk) 19:24, 28 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Chand Sifarish

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Created by KunalAggarwal95 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 17:33, 28 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

  •   The article was recently recreated from a redirect so if tools say this is an old article then that is inaccurate. Thus the article is technically eligible. There are however multiple major issues with the nomination right now. The first is that the article is in need of a copyedit, and second, the hook is too vague and broad to meet WP:DYKINT. It lacks context (it doesn't make it unambiguously clear that the subject is a song), and the "#1 on the popularity charts" claim also lacks context. I should also note that the article isn't more specific about which charts are being referred to here either, so that is also an issue with the article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
I don't have any information about those popularity charts. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 10:42, 1 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
If that's the case then that hook can't run as it won't pass scrutiny on either WT:DYK or WP:ERRORS. A new hook will need to be proposed here, but if one can't, then the nom will be marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:12, 1 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
New hook: ALT1 ... that the song "Chand Sifarish" was produced in the voice of Kishore Kumar and Mohammed Rafi, with the help of Artificial intelligence. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 10:16, 2 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
The context of that hook is a bit unclear. Did you mean the song was covered by Kumar and Rafi with the help of AI? Given this is a music-related hook, maybe Launchballer can come up with a clearer and more grammatically-correct wording. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:44, 3 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
If the hook is telling me what I think it's trying to tell me, then I would suggest words to the effect of ALT1a: ... that an AI-generated cover of Shaan and Kailash Kher's "Chand Sifarish" became popular on social media? Also, what makes The Times of India reliable?--Launchballer 13:01, 3 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Just noting that the tools are saying this is an old article because it used to be one; the article was deleted at AfD in 2012. I think the AI stuff takes it over the line in terms of notability.--Launchballer 13:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
I understand that ToI has a yellow rating at WP:RSP, but the hook's claim seems uncontroversial and not something they likely made up. If there are no other sources that cover that information I don't think it should be an issue to use ToI in this particular case (unless this is one of their paid articles), but to be on the safe side maybe another source should be added to strengthen the claim. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:20, 3 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

The hook belongs to Hindustan Times. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 17:32, 3 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Narutolovehinata5: Have your concerns been resolved? If not, what else needs to be done to get this approved? Z1720 (talk) 01:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
The sourcing issue still needs to be addressed and Launchballer's objection be lifted. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:05, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
@KunalAggarwal95: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 02:08, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Source is reliable. https://www.hindustantimes.com/trending/what-if-kishore-kumar-and-rafi-sang-chand-sifarish-ai-made-video-impresses-people-101705313694145.html KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 07:34, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
I apologise if my original post was not clear. The two Times of India pieces are currently used to back up a claim of plagiarism and the winning of an award, which I regard as needing stronger sourcing. I have no objection with the Hindustan Times being used for the hook.--Launchballer 07:50, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Added another source for winning award. No other source found for plagiarism. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 17:04, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Then I suggest that you take that bit out and put something else in to take this back above 1500 characters.--Launchballer 17:15, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Check KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 08:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
No further objections from me, although for a low-profile individual like that fan, you probably shouldn't be including their name per WP:BLPNAME. I've removed this for you, and made a few other edits while at it. Also, without evidence that the 'popularity charts' are anything other than Hindustan Times' own chart, that had to come out per WP:SINGLEVENDOR. Passing you back to @Narutolovehinata5:.--Launchballer 08:24, 16 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, we definitely can't run with ALT0. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:19, 16 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT2: ... that when Anshuman Sharma uploaded an AI-generated cover of Shaan and Kailash Kher's "Chand Sifarish" to Instagram, his post scored nearly five million views in two days?--Launchballer 13:30, 16 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT2 seems good. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 05:38, 21 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Union for Democracy and Social Progress (Democratic Republic of the Congo)

  • Source: Burke, Jason (11 January 2019). "Why Kabila may be real victor of DRC's contested election". The Guardian. Tshisekedi is the leader of the Union for Democracy and Social Progress (UDPS), DRC's oldest and largest opposition party. Critics say he is unproven, inexperienced and lacks the charisma of his father. 'His father was a man of the country. The son is very limited,' Valentin Mubake, former secretary-general of Tshisekedi's party told the Guardian last month.
Created by Yue (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 8 past nominations.

Yue🌙 22:12, 21 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited:  
  • Interesting:  
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   Vanderwaalforces (talk) 20:55, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on June 22

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Keegan Baker

Created by FishLoveHam (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

FishLoveHam (talk) 15:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

DI MA-1 Mk. III

  • ... that the DI MA-1 Mk. III rifle was made in Myanmar without license despite claims that it was made entirely in Myanmar?
Created by Ominae (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 13 past nominations.

Ominae (talk) 13:16, 22 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Articles created/expanded on June 23

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Lahug Airport

Created by TheNuggeteer (talk) and Mastodon554 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

TheNuggeteer (talk) 05:58, 26 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • General eligibility:
  • New enough:  
  • Long enough:   - After copyediting, it does not meet the 1,500-character threshold.

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited:  
  • Interesting:   - Neither hook is particularly interesting to a broad audience. The papal mass at the airport sounds far more interesting.

QPQ:   - Still needed.
Overall:   Went ahead and copyedited the article, but it seems to have brought it below the length requirement after removing some filler. SounderBruce 01:41, 3 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

"PacificWrecks.com" does not exactly scream "reliable". The CDN piece seems to be an opinion/contributor reflection rather than a proper news article. I imagine a papal mass would have plenty of coverage, no? SounderBruce 02:42, 3 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
@TheNuggeteer: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 01:50, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
@SounderBruce: PacificWrecks seems pretty popular and reliable, but in case, I found this website, which seems like a copy of a book? And the other statement about the CDN piece, yes, It seems like that, but they would not change the facts, since they are one of the most reliable sources in Cebu City. And the 3rd and last statement, yes, It feels like that, but it was pretty old, so im not sure about the last one.
Thanks, 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 04:28, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
There still isn't sufficient citations; coverage of the papal mass from beyond the one author (Oaminal) would be ideal. SounderBruce 01:44, 16 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
@SounderBruce:Found six citations, SunStar, Augnet, The Vatican, CDN (another), Inquirer, and a Reuters video (which stated that there were a million people, which probably can be included in the hook.) 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 07:18, 16 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on June 24

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Dus Bahane

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Created by KunalAggarwal95 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 10:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC).Reply

It is not a deprecated source. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 16:47, 2 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
It doesn't matter that it isn't deprecated. It matters that its reliability has been questioned, and I'm looking for a strong rationale as to why it is being used.--Launchballer 22:18, 2 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
as no other sources provide information. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 06:23, 6 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'll let a reviewer adjudicate on it then. My gut says that it isn't strong enough for the claims it's making. You do still need a grammatically correct hook.--Launchballer 19:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
New hook: ALT1 ... that the 2005 Hindi-language song "Dus Bahane" wasn't supposed to be shot, but was shot in 10 hours and became the most played song of 2005?— Preceding unsigned comment added by KunalAggarwal95 (talkcontribs)
  Better, although MOS:CONTRACTIONS forbids words like 'wasn't', and I'd also trim it at 'shot' per WP:DYKTRIM, like so: ALT1a: ... that the 2005 Hindi-language song "Dus Bahane" was not supposed to be shot?. I note that the source says 'shot' as well, so AGF that this is acceptable in Indian English and call for another reviewer.--Launchballer 07:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Henrik Igityan National Centre for Aesthetics

 
Work in collection
Created by Lajmmoore (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 97 past nominations.

Lajmmoore (talk) 21:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • @Lajmmoore:   Love this! New enough, long enough, Earwig comes up clean, no image, QPQ has been done, and hook is damn interesting. Unfortunately, visityerevan.am, farusa.org, hamazkayin.com, armeniadiscovery.com, thecaucasustours.com, and evnmediafest.com are not reliable sources. Once those are replaced or removed, I can go ahead and pass this. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:02, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • There is an image now, and I think there might be WP:FOP problems. Also, "first" is going to be very hard to verify, as we can't rule out there being an earlier, smaller museum in a distant country the authors of the sources never heard of. Bremps... 10:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
      • Oh, yes, there is an image! I'm also not convinced the licensing checks out. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 16:40, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
        • comment RE: image - the file name states the painting was done by Ruben Igityan, who was the son of Henrik Igityan. He died in a plane crash in 1975 with his mother. Henrik would therefore inherit the rights? I assumed that since Henrik is still involved with the NCA, and the image was donated as part of a partnership, that the licensing was OK. Lajmmoore (talk) 22:30, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

ALT1... that the Yerevan Children's Art Gallery shows "the unexpected beauty of children’s art"? Source: https://unesdoc.unesco.org/ark:/48223/pf0000063186

  • Forgot to sign and ping people yesterday (blame my tired eyes), but I think the article is now improved @Theleekycauldron: & @Bremps:, thanks for your input! Lajmmoore (talk) 13:15, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • @Lajmmoore: I still see some unreliable sources, and that the Centre itself is being used to support controversial claims. I don't think ALT1 communicates anything more interesting that the name already implies – sure, someone said it's a children's art gallery and that it's surprisingly good. One person saying that doesn't make it all that intriguing, I would think. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 17:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
      • @Theleekycauldron: I think I quite liked the hook, because I don't think most people would automatically think children's art was beautiful?! (it did have a grammer mistake in that I removed now)- I'll look at the rest later on :) Lajmmoore (talk) 16:19, 10 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
        • All right, fair enough. But the hook can't be phrased in wikivoice, so we'll need an ALT that provides some attribution. Let me know when the other changes have been made :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:52, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
          • Thanks @Theleekycauldron: - I've added a couple of new citations and trimmed the NCA ones now - I don't think they support anything contentious, just numbers of artworks. I've also toned down the "world's first"-ness. In terms of an ALT2, how about:
ALT2... that Zhanna Aghamiryan described how paintings at Yerevan Children's Art Gallery (pictured) showed future generations "the unexpected beauty of children’s art"? Source: https://unesdoc.unesco.org/ark:/48223/pf0000063186
What do you think? Lajmmoore (talk) 23:27, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Zhou Xuan (Three Kingdoms)

  • ... that Zhou Xuan's dream interpretations were recorded to be accurate eight or nine times out of ten?
  • Source: Records of the Three Kingdoms vol. 29, translated in Robert Ford Campany, The Chinese Dreamscape, pp. 109-111
  • Reviewed:
Created by Kzyx (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Kzyx (talk) 20:19, 24 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • @Kzyx:   Really interesting article! New enough, long enough, QPQ not needed, no image provided, and plagiarism-free (although a large number of quotes are used here). Unfortunately, I don't think the sources here are going to cut it. Almost all of the sources 1000+ years old. I'm not sure I'd trust the monarchy's records to be a reliable independent primary source even if they were from 10 years ago, but uncritically interpreting texts that old is a problem in its own right. Which is probably how we end up claiming in the provided hook that Zhou can predict the future by interpreting dreams, which I would argue is a fairly absurd result on its face. Without substantial secondary contemporary academic coverage, I don't see how this nomination can go forward. I'm honestly not convinced of the article's notability, either. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 17:25, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
  The nominator hasn't edited in almost a month (their last edit was on June 25) and the issues remain unaddressed. Marking for closure as an abandoned nomination. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:07, 20 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on June 25

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Liechtenstein at the 1936 Summer Olympics

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  • Comment: Yep, it's that fact.
Improved to Good Article status by Arconning (talk) and TheBritinator (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Arconning (talk) 17:36, 25 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

I also thought this. Alternative one proposed seems more appropriate. TheBritinator (talk) 00:32, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT2 ... that for the 1936 Summer Olympics, Liechtenstein flipped their flag upside down?
[19] I think this fact would be far enough from the already posted fact for Haiti. Arconning (talk) 04:14, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
 
Once approved, please place this nomination in the Olympics: Special occasion holding area

Articles created/expanded on June 26

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Joni (song)

  • ... that a scrapped song from SZA's second album was supposed to be on her next one, but when the song was leaked she had to scrap it again?
  • Source: * "'Joni' is on it. Well, they leaked it, so I wasn't gonna put it on there. I guess I should still… but they leaked it already." (Variety); "'So we'll make this really simple. Y'all leaked 3 songs from the deluxe. Atp y'all can keep the throw aways and leaks,' she tweeted, as reported by Variety. 'I'll be starting LANA from scratch do not ask me about it again.'" (Complex)
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  • Comment: Clarifying that it was scrapped from the third album; latest updates from SZA suggest "Joni" might be on the second album's deluxe. Open to any suggestions.
Moved to mainspace by PSA (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 22 past nominations.

PSA 🏕️🪐 (please make some noise...) 00:20, 3 July 2024 (UTC).Reply

Not in Love (Crystal Castles song)

Converted from a redirect by Skyshifter (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 13 past nominations.

Skyshiftertalk 22:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • Man, I haven't heard this record in years. @Skyshifter: Not a review, but I would question whether this deserves a standalone article when the content could be merged into Not in Love (Platinum Blonde song). This would not affect eligibility here because it can run as a 5x expansion.--Launchballer 18:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • I disagree with a merge as this version got coverage of its own for being its own thing. It certainly meets WP:NCOVER ("Notable covers are eligible for standalone articles, provided that the article on the cover can be reasonably detailed based on facts independent of the original"). I think this is a valid case of having a separate article. Skyshiftertalk 18:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
  I guess. Not that it's your problem, but the original's really short and I'd question its notability. Might redirect it to your article and see if anybody whinges. Full review needed.--Launchballer 18:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Brandiose

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Created by Kimikel (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Kimikel (talk) 15:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC).Reply


General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited:   - The source provided says that the $4 million in sales is based on the team name, not Brandiose's design.
  • Interesting:  
QPQ: None required.

Overall:   My first DYK review and I'm not sure about the hook, so requesting another reviewer. Thank you. GoldRomean (talk) 02:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

  • In addition to the original source, I added another (the NYT link) that directly attributes the merchandise sales to Brandiose's rebrand. Kimikel (talk) 12:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • @Kimikel:: Is Brandiose responsible for the name change/rebrand? If so, perhaps you could remove "design" from the hook, maybe that would work better?
      • @GoldRomean: The name itself was chosen by a fan poll. Brandiose was responsible for the design of all the branding. Based on that, if there's a better way to phrase that part of the hook, I'd have no problems with it. Kimikel (talk)
        • @Kimikel: What about "... that Brandiose's design work for the Rocket City Trash Pandas helped the team sell $4 million in merchandise before it played its first game?" But I'm still hesitant... I'll leave for more experienced DYK people. GoldRomean (talk) 00:04, 28 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
          •   Yeah, I agree. Proposing:
ALT1: ... that Brandiose's design work for the Rocket City Trash Pandas helped the team sell $4 million in merchandise before it played its first game?
Kimikel (talk) 00:09, 30 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@GoldRomean: Is the above ALT approved? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 01:51, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Z1720: @Kimikel: Apologies, I wrote a reply, probably forgot to publish it, and forgot about this till now. I think there needs to be better sourcing for the alt, like, a source that more directly backs up the hook. I want a second opinion anyway, but that's just my two cents. Sorry again :D. GoldRomean (talk) 22:11, 19 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Ling Nam

  • Source: Ravenholt 1968, p. 38, [20]
  • Reviewed:
Created by Vortex3427 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

TheNuggeteer (talk) 02:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

  •   @TheNuggeteer: New enough and long enough. Nominator is QPQ-exempt. Can't view the source. I do have an issue with the wording in the hook. Article says he founded Wa Yan with 3,000 pesos, sold it, and then founded Ling Nam (no peso number given). This needs reconciling with the hook fact. Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 19:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Fixed, though it sounds less interesting. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 02:50, 16 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on June 27

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Teri Ore

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Created by KunalAggarwal95 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 09:40, 4 July 2024 (UTC).Reply

Articles created/expanded on June 28

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Ken Goldin

Created by Muboshgu (talk), Pasdue (talk), Alansohn (talk), and TulsaPoliticsFan (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 535 past nominations.

– Muboshgu (talk) 01:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC).Reply

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited:  
  • Interesting:  
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   Can you identify the source(s) for the hook and cite the relevant excerpt(s). Very likely I missed it among the multiple cites for that sentence. Thanks. —Bagumba (talk) 19:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

  • I will look at this today. I didn't write that part of the article and I didn't check it before my nom. I may have to rewrite and provide a new hook. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Updating you here Bagumba, I should have taken more time to verify this myself before nominating, but I was traveling over July 4. Not an excuse. His website says as collectors ourselves who have sold over $2B in collectibles, which of course won't verify our hook. I can't otherwise find "$2 billion". I will rewrite the article this weekend, culling low quality sources and adding a couple of better ones I've found, and propose a solid hook. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
  •   Okay, I cut cruft. This source says he has sold $1.3 billion, so I'm changing the hook to that Bagumba. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:10, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
    @Muboshgu: The lead conflicts, saying that it's the company with $1.3B: ... his company, Goldin Auctions, which has sold $1.3 billion in memorabilia related to sports, history, and pop culture. The body is also ambiguous with "Goldin" (i.e. Ken Goldin or Goldin Auctions?) whether it's him or the company w/ $1.3B: In 2012, Goldin established Goldin Auctions.[ Goldin has auctioned more than $1.3 billion worth of collectibles, including sports memorabilia and historical artifacts.Bagumba (talk) 22:27, 19 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Jab Se Tere Naina

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Created by KunalAggarwal95 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 16:50, 6 July 2024 (UTC).Reply

List of people who use their middle names as their first names

    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: All four articles have free images, if one is used, I prefer Paul McCartney since it is a FA
5x expanded by Isaidnoway (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Isaidnoway (talk) 10:14, 30 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

It's my understanding that this is Did you know that ... per WP:DYK. Isaidnoway (talk) 16:44, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
  I guess. They must have missed that at Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 200#"First" hooks when they proposed that hook. Full review needed.--Launchballer 19:44, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on June 29

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National Coordination Committee Against Corruption and Crime

Created by Vinegarymass911 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 10 past nominations.

Mehedi Abedin 03:00, 30 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

  •   Interesting article. All parts of the article are cited with no problems with copyright. The stated hook is also mentioned in the article with proper sourcing. Good to go. Toadboy123 (talk) 14:34, 1 July 2024 (UTC).Reply
    •   Reverting promotion to prep; the hook is 223 prose characters including its "equivalent" parenthetical, way too far about the 200-character maximum. Vinegarymass911, please propose a shorter hook. The current hook's "from corruption suspects which the court deemed was illegal" has confusing antecedents; it's not the suspects that were illegal, but presumably how they acquired the funds. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:30, 16 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • ALT: ... that ৳6.5 billion (equivalent to US$150 million in 2023) was collected from corruption suspects by a Bangladeshi government agency which the court deemed was illegal in 2017?
@AirshipJungleman29: Done. Mehedi Abedin 13:10, 16 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on June 30

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Liza 'N' Eliaz

 
DJ Liza 'N' Eliaz
  • ... that Belgian hardcore DJ Liza 'N' Eliaz (pictured) was named a "spiritual leader" in France's free party movement? Source: "...who had carved out her name as a hard trance and techno champion. Such was the regard held for her that she was considered one of the spiritual leaders of the free party movement in France, even though she was Belgian."
    James, Martin (2022-06-15). French Connections: Daft Punk, Air, Super Discount & the Birth of French Touch. Velocity Press. ISBN 978-1-913231-30-9.
Created by Lajmmoore (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 98 past nominations.

Lajmmoore (talk) 13:52, 5 July 2024 (UTC).Reply


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Mall curfew

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Moved to mainspace by Reconrabbit (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Reconrabbit 00:21, 2 July 2024 (UTC).Reply

  •   I'll be picking this up for review, but before doing so I need some clarifications. The hook claims that the policy was challenged; however as far as I can tell it hasn't been tested in court yet, and the given source is more of an analysis about its constitutionality rather than any actual decision or lawsuit. The current hook wording might be too vague to meet scrutiny; perhaps attributing the challenge to the ACLU, or maybe changing the wording would address this concern. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
    It can get a little vague. A lot of articles bring up that these policies "are in a legal gray area", "have been opposed by advocacy groups", and that these analyses have been written, but no formal challenge was made. Here's an alternate (that may be a bit less exciting):
    Source: Big Mall's Curfew Raises Questions Of Rights and Bias
That's probably better. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:43, 12 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
  •   The article was new enough and long enough at the time of the nomination, and everything is cited in the article and verified. I did not find any close paraphrasing. The nominator still has less than five nominations so no QPQ is required. ALT1 is okay (cited inline, AGF due to being paywalled for me), but I'd like to see some additional proposals as well. In addition, while not necessarily a DYK issue, I do note that the article is US-centric and does not mention if similar policies exist outside the US, so that may need to be addressed if sources about the practice outside of America exist. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:02, 17 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
    I haven't been able to find any information about such policies that exist outside the US. I added a short subheading that points out there is little reporting and any mention of curfews in reference to a mall is due to a curfew that affects a whole population and isn't enacted by the mall itself. Reconrabbit 15:23, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • Consider also ALT2 ... that mall curfews in the United States have been used since 1996 with the intent of curbing the "unruly" behavior of teenagers?
    Source: Teen bans on the rise: malls, theme parks, and even a Chick-fil-A are requiring chaperones to stop rowdy minors
The problem is that the sentence about little information from outside the US is available would need to be sourced because otherwise it fails WP:SYNTH or WP:OR. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:46, 20 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Norman Hunter (footballer)

  • ... that the Norman Hunter Golf Day charity has raised over £100,000 for CLL cancer research?
  • ALT1: ... that following the 1972 FA Cup final at Wembley Stadium, Norman Hunter went to the Royal Box twice: once to receive his own medal, and again to help an injured teammate receive his? Source: [3]
  • ALT2: ... that a schoolteacher tried to make left-footed footballer Norman Hunter play right-footed? Source: [4]
  • Reviewed:
Improved to Good Article status by PearlyGigs (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

PearlyGigs (talk) 19:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC).Reply

References

  1. ^ "Family of Leeds United legend Norman Hunter raise over £110,000 to support research to find a cure for Leukaemia". Leeds Hospitals Charity. 8 May 2024.
  2. ^ "Annual Norman Hunter Golf Day". Just Giving.
  3. ^ "Jones the Brave". Yorkshire Post. 31 May 2016.
  4. ^ Hunter, Norman; Waters, Don (2004). Biting Talk. Hodder & Stoughton. p. 7–8. ISBN 978-0-3408-3082-6.

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