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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 16:04, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

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Diplodus argenteus

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The Silver porgy, Diplodus argenteus, photographed off the coast of Cabo Frio, Brazil
The Silver porgy, Diplodus argenteus, photographed off the coast of Cabo Frio, Brazil
  • ... that despite being commonly found off the country's coast, the etymology of Diplodus argenteus' name has nothing to do with Argentina?
  • ALT1 ...that while adult Silver porgies prefer to inhabit the surf zone, juveniles prefer tidepools while sub-adults frequent beds of seagrass? Sources: Wells, V. Carpenter, C. 2011. A Field Guide to Coastal Fishes from Maine to Texas. Baltimore. Johns Hopkins University Press. Robins, C.R. and G.C. Ray, 1986. A field guide to Atlantic coast fishes of North America. Houghton Mifflin Company, Boston, U.S.A. 354 p. Cervigón, F., 1993. Los peces marinos de Venezuela. Volume 2. Fundación Científica Los Roques, Caracas,Venezuela. 497 p.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Huang Shaoqiang
Created by Ryan shell (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 11 past nominations.

Ryan shell (talk) 19:10, 2 September 2024 (UTC).

General eligibility:

Policy compliance:

  • Adequate sourcing: No - I will kindly AGF the offline sources, but many parts of the article is unsourced. Paragraph four has an unsourced statement, and the "Biology" paragraph is unsourced; there’s also one ending in "FAO REF?". Ref 1 doesn't specify it's a "gamefish" beyond vague "if fished incidentally" (which doesn't clarify individual scale nor if it's done commercially or recreationally, especially when next to "commercial importance") nor mention angling. I can't seem to find the 2.5g weight in ref 11. Ref 16 doesn’t say “the silver porgy is generally standoffish and seldom approaches divers”; while it says “D. argenteus had always been seen in the gulfs”, it doesn’t go beyond only a few year-round divers identifying the species. "Or anything to do with Argentina's etymology" seems so OR-y and debatable; both of them come from the same Latin word.
  • Neutral: Yes
  • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Yes
  • Other problems: No - “fairly high probably” should be “fairly high probability”
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.

QPQ: No - None provided.
Overall: Nom four days after creation and size at 3871. There are several sourcing issues you'll have to fix, as well as a QPQ to provide; see above. Also, it would help if you could provide online links to the refs since it'll make the reviewers' jobs better; I had to find some of them myself with the WP:LIBRARY providing access to some of them, and I’ve linked them in the refs. And please refrain from using redundant sources; I only needed 12/13 to verify one of the claims that also had ref 9 attached. ミラP@Miraclepine 22:13, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

I believe I've fixed most of the more pressing issues around left over annotations and poor sourcing. That said, I recognize that there could be a case to be made for OR and have provided an alternative hook, that I am much more in favor of using. In the coming day's I'll probably delete or rewrite problematic areas as I dig up and cross check source problems. Ryan shell (talk) 02:53, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
The most pressing issue is the missing QPQ. They are due at the time of nomination and if it is still missing a week later, the nomination will be rejected. Schwede66 18:30, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
Just finished QPQ for the nom of Huang Shaoqiang. Not sure if adding it here will suffice or notRyan shell (talk) 20:05, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
@Ryan shell: While the ALT1 seems boring, I'm fine with ALT0 because the issue I raised was on being related to Argentina's etymology but not Argentina the country. That said, while the gamefish issue has been fixed - I crossed off the ref 16 issue because I put in the wrong ref, silly me - no other issues have been resolved and the article still has unsourced paragraphs. BTW I'm pretty sure it's more convenient to add the QPQ in the "Reviewed" line. ミラP@Miraclepine 15:25, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
@ミラP Mission citations related to the Biology section and fisheries information has been cited. Uncited issue in paragraph four has also been cited. The 'probably' into 'probability' typo has also been corrected. Ryan shell (talk) 20:35, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
@Ryan shell: Have checked the sources and I can finally approve ALT0. I'm not sure ALT1 is hooky enough though, and even if it is "silver porgies" should be uncapitalized. ミラP@Miraclepine 21:28, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
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