Talk:Lynching of Norris Dendy

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 16:23, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that five men were named in an indictment for the lynching of Norris Dendy but none were ever convicted? Source: [1]
  • ALT1: ... that although indictments were handed down to five men for the lynching of Norris Dendy, a grand jury ruled that the attack was carried out by an unknown party and nobody was ever convicted? Source: same as above
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ray Walsh, Template:Did you know nominations/Dorkas Tokoro-Hanasbey

Moved to mainspace by PCN02WPS (talk).

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PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 01:50, 20 March 2024 (UTC).

• Article length, eligibility, and general quality checks out. Don't see any issues with copyright, and the image is your own work so obviously checks out. Sourcing also checks out. I like the first hook better, it's more direct. All looks good here. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 05:00, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Lynching of Norris Dendy/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: PCN02WPS (talk · contribs) 01:38, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: 750h+ (talk · contribs) 06:37, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @PCN02WPS: i'll take this review 750h+ 06:37, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Lead

• If his grave says he lived from May 4, shouldn't that be included in the article
  • The headstone says he was born on May 29, 1900, but I cannot find any other RS that supports that birthdate and I'm not 100% sold on the headstone itself being an RS. If there's a pertinent policy that would be awesome but I haven't been able to find it. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 00:27, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

  (i didn't mean to say "May 4", my bad) Okay, That's understandable 750h+ 03:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

• I think "While driving a truck transporting picknickers to" should be "While driving a truck transporting picnickers to". i have never heard this word before so I had to look it up.
  • Fixed both instances of that word PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 00:27, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
• little protection owing to the fact that the offense was not considered to be very serious ==> little protection since the offense was not considered to be very serious (conciseness)
  • Changed as recommended (though I opted for "because" instead of "since")
• was not considered to be very serious ==> was not considered very serious
  • Done. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 00:27, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
• killing him by a fracture near ==> killing him with a fracture near
  • Decided to change up the sentence just a bit since I didn't really like "by" or "with" upon rereading it. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 00:27, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
• "were charged with the killing but a July 1934" needs a comma before "but" since this is american english
  • Done as recommended. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 00:27, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
• "Suspected motives have ranged from a beating that was originally not supposed to be fatal" ==> "Suspected motives have included from a beating that was originally not supposed to be fatal" might sound better
  • "have included from a beating" is not grammatical, but I switched it from "ranged from ... to ..." to "included ... and ..." PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 00:27, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@750h+: comments above responded to. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 00:28, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Background section should be done later today. Sorry about this; my GA reviews usually take much shorter 750h+ 03:06, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Background

• Martha was born near present-day Joanna, South Carolina, in 1867, and his father ==> Martha was born near present-day Joanna, South Carolina, in 1867, and Earl
  • Done. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:22, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
• I think, in American English, it should change from "Young was a carpenter at the time of their marriage and Martha ran" ==> Young was a carpenter at the time of their marriage, and Martha ran" Also I think "while" would sound better than "and".
  • Added the comma; I prefer "and" to "while" since there's not any element of time in the sentence. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:22, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
• "In their December 1933 edition, The Crisis claimed that he was framed for the crime." ==> "In their December 1933 edition, the Crisis claimed that he was framed for the crime." It depends, but I think in title case definite articles shouldn't be capitalised (unless they are the first word of the sentence), like the Beatles.
  • Done. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:22, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
  • I changed this but myself and another user changed back to a capital "T"; I think, since it is the first word of the title of the publication (the publication isn't just called Crisis), it should be capitalized. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:44, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

  Oops, didn't see this one and I thought you had forgotten to change them. 750h+ 00:28, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

• "Norris then appealed to the South Carolina Supreme Court." ==> "Dendy then appealed to the South Carolina Supreme Court." Unless there was a reason you used his first name?
  • Nope, not sure why I did that. Changed to "Dendy". PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:22, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
• "Dendy and his family had been threatened before: in 1924" Should a colon be used? Might just be personal preference but I'd turn it into 2 sentences. You don't have to if you don't want to.
  • Changed as recommended. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:22, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Arrest, capture and lynching

• "The second sentence of the first paragraph might be too large."
  • Split. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
• "In all, about a hundred people were present outside the jail when the capture took place, including multiple Clinton police officers." Remove "In all".
  • Done. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
• "In fact, an article published in The Crisis in May 1934 noted that it was "a matter of common knowledge" that the majority of the police force had taken part,[20] and testimony during a 1934 Senate subcommittee hearing claimed that several police officers opened the jail to allow Dendy to be removed." Remove "in fact", change "The Crisis" to "the Crisis" per above, and change "the majority" to "most".
  • Done. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
• "Dendy's mother and children accompanied her, they were fired upon by the mob with a pistol and Dendy's mother was struck." ==> "Dendy's mother and children accompanied her, but they were fired upon by the mob with a pistol and Dendy's mother was struck."
  • I don't like "but" here because it seems like it's saying that the fact that they were shown aggression by the mob came as a surprise (which, unfortunately, it was not, given the circumstances). Decided to split into two sentences and reword slightly. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
• 'The LCSO had begun a search" ==> "The LCSO initiated (or began) a search"
  • I prefer "had begun" since it's stepping back in time just a bit - it's noted that Dendy's body was found by the LCSO and then goes back to say when the search began. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
• "though The State, in an article advocating for the prosecution" ==> "though the State, in an article advocating for the prosecution"
  • Done. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Aftermath

• "declared Dendy's death a murder, rather than a lynching and sent" remove the comma
  • Looks like I actually forgot a comma instead of adding an extra one in, since I wanted to emphasize the contrast between murder and lynching in this case. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:33, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
• ""officially recorded", according to The Greenville News." ==> ""officially recorded", according to the Greenville News."
  • Done. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:33, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
• "Five white men were named in an indictment for Dendy's death on February 19, 1934,[20] named in The Macon Telegraph as Hubert Pitts, P. M. Pitts, Roy Pitts, J. Pitts Ray, and Marvin Lollis." "Named" is used twice, which might sound a bit unusual
  • Good catch. Changed second instance to "listed in". PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:33, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
• "The Laurens County grand jury had deliberated for" remove "had"
  • Removed. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:33, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
• ""proved case" of a lynching, according to The Greenville News" ==> ""proved case" of a lynching, according to the Greenville News"
  • Done. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:33, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
• " witnesses to New York in order to allow them" "==> " witnesses to New York to allow them"
  • Done. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:33, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Image review

Only one picture, and it looks like it's the one taken by you, PCN02WPS! This is an image review pass. 750h+ 08:40, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Source review

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• ok im happy. pass 750h+ 08:54, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Verdict

i don't have any other concerns. nice work! address the above concerns and i'm happy to pass the article for status :). 750h+ 08:57, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

• @750h+: I think I've changed or responded to everything! Thanks again for the review. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:33, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I think this is good. Happy to pass. 750h+ 00:37, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.