Talk:List of roles and awards of Liza Soberano

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Liza Soberano

• ... that Liza Soberano (pictured) appeared in a biographical episode of Maalaala Mo Kaya playing Miss Universe 2015 winner Pia Wurtzbach?

• Source: Liza plays Miss Universe 2015 Pia Wurtzbach in MMK. June 2, 2017. News.ABS-CBN.com.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Dedie Rachim

Created by Pseud 14 (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 36 past nominations.

Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.

Pseud 14 (talk) 13:33, 1 May 2024 (UTC).

• I'd like to see a more internationally appealing hook than the current one because the hook to me isn't exactly impressive or eye-catching (it basically says that Soberano played a role, which is her job). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:08, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
  • Alt1: ... that Filipino actress Liza Soberano had her Hollywood breakthrough in the 2024 comedy horror Lisa Frankenstein? [1] Pseud 14 (talk) 14:04, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

I guess that's okay too, but do you have any additional suggestions? Article itself seems long enough and new enough at least. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:08, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Not from this article, no. This is in itself a hook that has "international appeal" given it's a Hollywood debut for a Filipino actress, which is a rarity. Pseud 14 (talk) 15:27, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

• The article is new enough, long enough, is free of close paraphrasing, and is adequately sources. ALT1 (the only hook under consideration) is verified in the source and mentioned in the article. A QPQ ahs been done. I'm still not 100% sure if ALT1 works out in terms of interest or if additional hooks are needed, so I'm passing judgement on ALT1 to a third-party editor. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:02, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
  • I would argue that there's nothing too unusual about a Filipino actress in Hollywood; the fact that she's not American is something, but foreign actors aren't exactly, well, foreign. (signed, an Angeleno, for what it's worth) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 02:40, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

I'd probably have passed ALT1, but after reading Liza Soberano and this, I can suggest ALT2: ... that Liza Soberano (pictured), an actress described by media publications as among the most beautiful Filipino actresses of her generation, played an unattractive exchange student in Just the Way You Are? - but you would need to add that bit from Liza Soberano.--Launchballer 09:29, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion Launchballer, I am unsure if adding the latter would work because it takes context out of the main article, instead of the nominated article for DYK, and honestly, I see little value of adding that bit on her roles and awards (as those publications are mostly listicles and generally don't count as awards). Having said that, Alt2 may be another iteration of Alt0 - which is a just another role she played. Thoughts? Pseud 14 (talk) 20:57, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

I'd have thought the juxtaposition of a beautiful actress playing an unattractive exchange student would be interesting.--Launchballer 08:24, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

• List is new, long, well sourced, neutral, and copyvio-free, as well as supported with a licensed image (which I doubt will make it to the Main Page). I concur with Narutolovehinata5 that none of the hooks is interesting; on ALT1, for instance, boldlinked article refers to the subject's acting credits, among others, yet only her so-called Hollywood breakthrough is singled out here, which makes her domestic roles inadequate in a way. This can be an interesting hook for a Lisa Frankenstein DYK, but certainly not for this one. Although QPQ has been given, another compelling hook is needed. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 07:44, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

I can suggest some variant of "that Liza Soberano started her career as a teenager".--Launchballer 08:24, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

If this is your alt proposal, then I don't think it's gonna fly, either; it's not unusual for most (if not all) grown actors to start out at a young age. Are there any more? Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 09:43, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Alt3: ... that Liza Soberano began her acting career playing third wheel characters? Pseud 14 (talk) 20:21, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Alt4: ... that after starring in the highest-grossing film of her career, Liza Soberano was named Box Office Queen? Pseud 14 (talk) 20:21, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

• Alt3 seems interesting, but could use some tweaks,

Alt3a: ... that Liza Soberano's early acting roles include playing the third wheel in romance films? Source: [2]

• If this is OK with you, just add an end-of-sentence citations on it so I can redirect this to another reviewer. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 21:43, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

• Works for me thanks. Citation added. Pseud 14 (talk) 23:09, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

ALT3a is short enough, sourced, and interesting. Let's roll.--Launchballer 23:11, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

I do apologize for the comment given that the nomination has already been approved, but I'm not very confident about ALT3a to be honest. If you're a Filipino (Soberano is a big name over here), ALT3a might be surprising especially for people who may not have followed her career as closely as super fans. However, to me at least, ALT3a is a bit reliant on knowing how big Soberano is, and an international reader might not get that context. Honestly I do think ALT2 was actually a better option. Yes it was a role hook, a kind of hook I have mixed opinions about, but the contrast does seem to catch attention and isn't as reliant on knowing about Philippine entertainment as much. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:09, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

The argument doesn't make sense at all. You're looking from the lens of someone who knows Soberano and not from the POV of an unfamiliar reader. If you're a Filipino (Soberano is a big name over here), ALT3a might be surprising especially for people who may not have followed her career - this is exactly what the hook is for–to peak the interest of non-familiar/somewhat familiar readers about the article. This is not to cater to someone who already knows her or to "superfans", which makes your justification completely ironic, since your comment is from the perspective of someone who knows the subject. Having said that, the article is about her "roles and awards" and I don't see the relevance of incorporating her "perceived beauty" in it, which makes Alt2 a no go for me. The hook is supposed to be about her acting career not Soberano in general (or whether she is considered desirable or her appearance in a particular role). It should be fact about something interesting that she had done as an actress and I trust that the non-Filipino reviewers who have weighed in seem to think the latter alternative works. Pseud 14 (talk) 12:36, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5 and Launchballer: To avoid lengthy discussions about which hooks are the most interesting, can someone indicate which hooks above are approved (ie pass the other criteria of DYK) and indicate their preference of interestingness? If there are multiple approved hooks, the promoter can decide which hook is the most interesting after reading the arguments above. If anyone has other hooks they would like to propose, they can do so below. Z1720 (talk) 00:39, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Right now the only approved hook is ALT3a. I thought ALT2 was a better option, but the nominator objected to it and in any case it's not supported in the article. The issue I had with ALT3a is that it's somewhat reliant on knowing that Soberano is currently known for doing leading roles but she started out doing third-wheel roles. That might be interesting to fans of her or those familiar with Filipino entertainment, but without that particular context the post isn't as obvious or as surprising. Having said that, despite the nom's comment above I still have reservations about ALT3a and would suggest not promoting or re-approving it without alternative wordings to ALT3a and/or additional hook proposals being proposed (this includes addressing the issue with ALT2). I'm not necessarily opposed to ALT3a's hook fact but I'm not a fan of it as currently worded. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I stand by the Alt3a wording, as this has been independently reviewed by an uninvolved (non-Filipino) reviewer who suggested tweaks to it. I will let a promoter decide if additional tweaks are needed for the hook. Pseud 14 (talk) 02:24, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm going to go ahead and restate the tick on ALT3a as I find it interesting.--Launchballer 21:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Given the disagreements here it might be a good idea to just let a new reviewer (i.e. not Launchballer) decide if ALT3a is suitable or if something else is needed. If a new reviewer is okay with it I will no longer object. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:58, 28 June 2024 (UTC)