For characters from the games, the character must have made a substantial (e.g. non cameo) appearance in at leasttwoSonic games. Because Sonic has such a large cast of characters, this list is primarily dedicated to major ones. One-off or minor characters are considered out of this list's scope and should be covered within their respective game's article rather than here.
An example of a character who meets this criteria is Ray the Flying Squirrel, who makes substantial appearances in SegaSonic the Hedgehog and Sonic Mania Plus. This is the minimum required for a character to be considered noteworthy for this list.
An example of a character who does not meet this criteria is Princess Elise, whose only substantial appearance is in Sonic the Hedgehog (2006). Unless she makes another non-cameo appearance in the future, she fails the inclusion criteria.
For characters from other media (TV shows, movies, and comics), the character must have made a substantial appearance in at leasttwo different forms of media. Because Sonic is primarily a video game franchise and there are too many Sonic characters exclusive to non-video game media to be listed here, a separate criteria exists to determine if a non-game character can be listed.
An example of a character who meets this criteria is Princess Sally, who made substantial appearances in the Saturday morning Sonic cartoon and the Archie Comics Sonic the Hedgehog series. Therefore, she can be listed, even though she has never made a substantial appearance in a Sonic game.
An example of a character who does not meet this criteria is Geoffrey St. John, who, while a fairly significant character within the Archie Comics Sonic series, never appeared outside it. Thus, unless he makes an appearance in another form of media in the future, he fails the inclusion criteria.
All entries on this list should be backed with secondary, reliable sources. No entries should be sourced entirely to primary sources, and any such entries will be removed.
Any discussions regarding splitting character entries from this list must happen on this talk page before any action is taken, to determine if the character has received enough coverage in reliable sources to be notable enough to stand as their own article.
The following references may be useful when improving this article in the future:
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Video games, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of video games on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Video gamesWikipedia:WikiProject Video gamesTemplate:WikiProject Video gamesvideo game articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Japan, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Japan-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project, participate in relevant discussions, and see lists of open tasks. Current time in Japan: 08:34, September 15, 2024 (JST, Reiwa 6) (Refresh)JapanWikipedia:WikiProject JapanTemplate:WikiProject JapanJapan-related articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Fictional characters, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of fictional characters on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Fictional charactersWikipedia:WikiProject Fictional charactersTemplate:WikiProject Fictional charactersfictional character articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Animals in media, a project which is currently considered to be inactive.Animals in mediaWikipedia:WikiProject Animals in mediaTemplate:WikiProject Animals in mediaAnimals in media articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Anime and manga, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of anime, manga, and related topics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Anime and mangaWikipedia:WikiProject Anime and mangaTemplate:WikiProject Anime and mangaanime and manga articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Comics, a collaborative effort to build an encyclopedic guide to comics on Wikipedia. Get involved! If you would like to participate, you can help with the current tasks, visit the notice board, edit the attached article or discuss it at the project's talk page.ComicsWikipedia:WikiProject ComicsTemplate:WikiProject ComicsComics articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Lists, an attempt to structure and organize all list pages on Wikipedia. If you wish to help, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.ListsWikipedia:WikiProject ListsTemplate:WikiProject ListsList articles
Latest comment: 1 month ago2 comments2 people in discussion
I've noticed how Sage is absent from the list of Sonic characters detailed despite her prominent role within Sonic Frontiers as a driving force behind the game's plot and boss battles, so I thought I'd give a heads up and suggest she's added to the list. 149.50.164.55 (talk) 23:05, 29 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 18 days ago14 comments3 people in discussion
Does Sally Acorn or any of the characters from SatAM/Archie series deserve their own pages? I've dug up plenty of wiki-worthy info for the former, and I know there are more prominent characters that need their own pages (such as Amy or Metal Sonic), but I think I'd be nice to lift a candle to the original American continuity for Sonic somewhat. NintenBOUND (talk) 13:23, 18 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Although that’d be nice, so would many of the propositions in this talk page for their own character articles. The question is, when you say “wiki-worthy”, do you mean reliable sources and are they noteworthy? What we need for a full article on Wikipedia is well-sourced information in multiple reliable sources about the character’s development and reception, in source material focused on that character specifically and not just listicles. That’s pretty rare for all but the most well-known characters. Otherwise it’s probably more appropriate for a Fandom project. Red Phoenixtalk13:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Good point. When I said wiki-worthy, I meant that I had found info regarding her concept/creation, history, appearances, and design. I'll see if I can dig up some more sources. NintenBOUND (talk) 22:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
I have assembled a list of references/links for Sally that do not come from an episode/book/comic book/listicle, if anyone is interested:
Most of these are reliable sources, though I am suspect of a few; the saturdaymorningsonic.com feature was thoroughly researched, so I have no concern about that. Are these enough sources to viably constitute an article? NintenBOUND (talk) 00:44, 21 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
I tried to narrow down the articles I had on hand, and I've tried to use the Situational Sources for Video Games search engine, but I've found very little beyond what I already know. Unless more sources can be found, these are all the Sally sources I've got. If no more progress can be made, then her page's prospects might just be dead. NintenBOUND (talk) 00:41, 23 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
NintenBOUND, to expand on Sergecross73's comments for a minute, what you have here has some passing mentions in the sources that are reliable, but also a lot of sources that are not. This is not significant coverage. To demonstrate:
It is extremely rare for forum posts to be reliable sources. Usually that's only if the poster is verified to be a primary source, which cannot be used to demonstrate notability, as notability exclusively is proven through secondary sources, i.e. publications not associated with a topic talking about that topic. (Coindicentally, Wikipedia and encyclopedias in general are tertiary sources, reporting what is said in secondary sources).
On that same token, anything from Archie Comics or their blog is similarly a primary source. Anything posted on Twitter by a writer would be the same as well.
The Giant Bomb link is from their wiki, meaning it's user-generated and is not a reliable source.
The IGN article isn't even actually about Sally; it's about someone trying to save memorabilia from an amusement park.
Behind the Voice Actors declares in its statement at the bottom it's an "unofficial site". While not a guarantee in and of itself, that suggests to me it's a fansite, which would not be reliable. Sites written by professional journalists are one thing; sites by fans are another.
The Screenrant source focuses exclusively on an in-universe focus of the plot, not about the character herself.
Although hosted on a .edu site, the Andrews sources look like a fan blog.
None of the rest, most of which look to be unreliable (i.e. like DeviantArt) seem to be focused on Sally herself.
So essentially, it's a nice bit of research but it's not notability. Here are some examples of what a reliable secondary source that confers notability would look like:
A review of the character and her importance to the series and beyond, that is not part of a listicle.
A feature from a reliable website such as those listed at WP:VG/S on the character, including information on their development and creation.
Less so, but an interview with a character designer or writer on one of those reliable secondary sites talking in-depth about the character.
Thanks for taking the time to respond. The Andrews sources were written by a long-time reviewer of the Archie Sonic comics named Dan Drazen, who regularly communicated with Ken Penders (one of the writers for the comic), and the DeviantArt post was made by Jon Gray, a former artist of the comic who responded to controversy over a panel he drew in issue 134 (referenced to as "The Slap"). NintenBOUND (talk) 19:47, 23 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Sorry, but unfortunately, everything Red Phoenix says is true. Sorry, as far as Wikpedia standards go, I don't think anything here would count towards notability. I think this is one of those cases where there's a reason why an article doesn't already exist. It might be more realistic to either expand any pre-existing sections she may have on Wikipedia, or find a Sonic fan wikia that doesn't have our stricter notability standards and write about her there... Sergecross73msg me17:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
NintenBOUND, to respond to a couple of your points, who is Dan Drazen? Even if he regularly talked with a writer, is Drazen a writer for a noteworthy publication like a professional comics website? Just because he states he has spoken regularly with a writer doesn’t mean his words automatically get considered as fact or reliable; establishing he’s a professional journalist or industry veteran or something would do that. On the DeviantArt, even if it’s by a former artist, that still makes it a primary source and not a reliable secondary source that confers notability. Red Phoenixtalk20:49, 27 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
I knew the article was pretty much dead in the water for a while, but I still kept holding out for a potential way to viably create it. Know that I know that it probably has no real chance of happening (I've looked everywhere for reliable secondary sources to no avail), I can put this topic to rest. Thanks for messaging with me about it. NintenBOUND (talk) 00:05, 28 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Dan was a librarian in his 40s when he started reviewing the Sonic Archie comics. He grew so prominent in the Sonic fan community that he became an official reviewer for the series at Archie (for a matter of months), though I understand why he would not be considered outright authority on any info that he might have gleamed. As for the article, I'm going to retire any chances of creating it; as as far as I know, there aren't really any reliable, secondary sources for the character in question. Thanks for helping me with sourcing references for articles in general and messaging me about this one. NintenBOUND (talk) 00:10, 28 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 22 hours ago22 comments6 people in discussion
Now that I'm putting my ill-fated Sally article to rest, I was wondering whether there were enough sources/references to constitute any articles for these two. I've already cobbled together character info box images for them both, but I'd like to know whether their articles would be appropriate before I begin drafting anything concrete for them. NintenBOUND (talk) 00:13, 28 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
I kinda have to agree with Pokelego that I do think Amy Rose is a possibility, but that it absolutely needs the sourcing first. If I have time I’d absolutely be interested in digging up the sources, but I don’t specialize in fictional characters and I have a high bar for what I believe a fictional character needs to be notable, so I would want to work with others if I find enough to believe it would work. Red Phoenixtalk15:59, 30 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Yes, I do believe Amy was closer than most of the others that got merged back, and she's been more present in the games that have been released in the last 5 or so years, so I could see a path there. I'd help review whatever too. Sergecross73msg me16:10, 30 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
It’s only a situational source and would really need proper scrutiny (and pairing with actually reliable sources), but stuff like the second link up there to GameRant is the kind of stuff I’d like to see when finding notability about Amy Rose. An article focused on her, and I’ve often thought there must be things like this written about her role as a female video game character, from damsel-in-distress to what she does from Sonic Adventure onward where she has a more regular role. I would be highly curious if any video game magazines have taken off with this idea before. Red Phoenixtalk16:43, 11 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
So now I'm debating something. I'm looking at [1], which is the last version of the Amy Rose article that someone tried to post. I actually think a lot could be accomplished here by taking the scissors to this version instead of the pen, cutting out the fancrufty bits and focusing on some of the really good stuff - concept and creation which does have some basic reliable sourcing, stripping the bio and plot stuff down to the basics while mentioning how her character has evolved in different games and media, and remove the listicle-based crap from the reception and focus on commentary about her and her role as a female video game character, which also looks like it has some reliable sourcing -- there's even a bit about her progression in the TV shows being "woke", which is an interesting take. Anything based to a Valnet source will need further scrutiny as well, but I think I might sandbox this as a "scissors test" and see how people feel about it then. Red Phoenixtalk00:54, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Nice. If you want any more references, I added more links to my list up above; let me know if I need to trim any unnecessary/unworkable ones off. There's also some more links in NatwonTSG2's sandbox (which listed some Big/Amy/Sage/Silver references links) that was in an earlier talk for this article. NintenBOUND (talk) 14:40, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for mentioning me and showing how an Amy Rose article would work but however, it just that Sonic is a series that's many editors, including me has been creating many terrible articles for multiple Sonic characters who likely never getting its own article. For Metal Sonic, well @TheJoebro64 had a draft for Metal Sonic which could become an article of it own so no worry, but for Amy Rose, based on Joebro64 and @Red Phoenix opinion on your references list and multiple merge and de-merge decsion, an article for her is more likely never going to existed unless if you pay close attention to how other video game characters, especially Dragon Quest characters get their own articles so. NatwonTSGTALK03:05, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS; it’s not about the series or the characters’ importance to it. It’s about how well covered is that character in reliable sources. Personally I use a method I developed to determine if an article is warranted or not. For Amy, I’m on the fence as I look at it, but I see some good stuff. So, I’m at the part where I would build it as a draft (probably a user space draft in this case) and see if it feels like it’s well-supported without fluff and with relying on good secondary sources. Fluff is really an enemy here: how much are you really saying? Because plot summaries say little to nothing in the way of why a character is notable.
That said, I think if I do draft this out and take the scissors to it, I would call upon other members of the community to review it, as this currently does have consensus against reinstatement as it is. Red Phoenixtalk12:41, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Honestly, I don’t think info box images are really our concern right now until there’s proof it’s article-worthy. As a (self-published) fantasy fiction author, I wouldn’t do the cover art without having written the book first. Red Phoenixtalk16:14, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Okay, so I've created a userspace draft at User:Red Phoenix/sandbox/Amy Rose and will apply scissors to it soon. For those who have been around a while, I also had a good look at the promoted GA version of this article here, and my heart kind of sank when I realized this was a Tezero creation, for anyone who remembers the Wisp (Sonic) fiasco. Tezero was a good editor and one I worked with a lot; he just had a bad propensity with fictional characters to add a ton of fluff cited directly to the games or comics. But, I'll look at that as well and compare with the most recent version, which originally was a sandbox by (Oinkers42) and see if we can cut and meld and try to make something work here. If it doesn't, we know then we need more sources, and if they can't be found, then we can put this to bed. But hopefully, and I think this may happen, we can shape something out of it.
Anyone and everyone is invited to edit the userspace draft; I only put it in userspace since we're skeptical if it's going to work or not and I can always WP:U1 it if it doesn't work. We can also discuss the edits itself at WT:SEGA so we don't have to clutter this page up any more than necessary and it can go back to focusing on this list article instead of talking about another potential article - it's not like the Sega task force's talk page is being used for much else these days :-( . I invite everyone interested in discussing a potential Amy Rose article further there. Red Phoenixtalk01:00, 14 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 6 hours ago1 comment1 person in discussion
Sorry for adding a section on these three without discussion, if it was not acceptable or warranted. I will delete it if anyone has an issue with it. NintenBOUND (talk) 17:59, 14 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
