Talk:Kargil

Population errors

Note that the area and population figures quoted in this article relate to the entire Kargil District (see article on that district), rather than to the town of Kargil. Rif Winfield (talk) 08:50, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

• Agreed. Unfortunately, on August 10, 2019, the population figures still report the entire population of the Kargil district, as the population of the town of Kargil, despite the availability of the information... Stevenmitchell (talk) 20:29, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

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Kargil district is pakistan Chak bega (talk) 19:06, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Ladakh peoples protests

It is so shame full situation that any coverage of Ladakh peoples protest against Shortage of drinking water, Lack of teachers in Indian Govt schools, erotic power supply, High air fares, Students rights, Killing of people in neighbouring Kashmir, Quota issue against Indian state Government and High court is forcefully being denied.

Is it your neutrality WP ?

I am disappointed with this cherry picking article which is just a no value article on current Ladakh population centres situation.

Every thing was sourced with 12 sources — Preceding unsigned comment added by LehPeople (talk • contribs) 12:43, 14 August 2016 (UTC) Sock of a banned user. - Kautilya3 (talk) 11:27, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

@LehPeople: As you have been told on your user talk page, this is not a place to be used as a soapbox about a certain point of view, even if you have sources about it. Specifically, this page is about a town and wouldn't seem to be the forum to list or promote grievances the townspeople or you have with the Indian government. If that is all you want to do, you should find a more appropriate forum to do so, or spend time contacting your politicians or citizens to demand change. I assume you mean 'erratic' power supply and not 'erotic'. 331dot (talk) 12:58, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

@331dot: Three important points arise, 1. I have seen that almost all articles about any region cover governance /political developments so why not Ladakh region? 2. Region has just three main human settlements Leh Kargil Dras so these developments by default reflect these towns. A case of Out sider lacking local facts? 3. Ladakh was part of Greater region including Gilgit Baltistan (which is now part of Pakistan). If Gilgit-Baltistan article is being heavily filled with anti Pak stuff in the name of governance /political developments. (Read inside Pakistan sub heading to get idea). Then why not here ? cant we add governance /political developments here ? Double standards ? or should we also delete it there?

I hope You reply me.— Preceding unsigned comment added by LehPeople (talk • contribs) sock of a banned user. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:27, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Please sign your posts. You aren't posting political developments, you are posting various grievances against the government. There may be pages that's appropriate for, if done with a neutral point of view, but it isn't really appropriate on this page. Pages on towns may have sections about the government itself, such as names of officials and the numbers of citizens registered with political parties or those that vote for them, but they don't usually have lists of grievances or occurrences of protests. 331dot (talk) 16:05, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Pinging @DanielRigal: and @Beetstra: for additional comment, as having also reverted the post in question. 331dot (talk) 16:11, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

I have not paid a huge amount of attention to what the POV is here. I just noticed that the same message, stating a grievance of some sort, had been added to multiple articles. To me that seemed akin to mass flyposting, which is something I disprove of even when the message being flyposted might be legitimately raised under other circumstances. So, I hold absolutely no opinion on the rights or wrongs of the grievance, all I am sure of is that Wikipedia is not the right place for editors to air their grievances. If the dispsute is notable then it is possible that a little neutrally worded coverage could be justified in a single appropriate article but it would need to stick to the facts as given in RS sources and give both sides of the dispute. I'm still assuming that this is not the case, not the right article and not justified but that would be the correct way to approach it if it is. --DanielRigal (talk) 20:07, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

{{od} this was much a form of using Wikipedia as a soapbox, which we do not do. As has been pointed out by many editors, the post was pushed to numerous pages, and the wording is not neutral. Here, on Kargil, it was posted in the lede:

Meanwhile, public rage in Ladakh is "growing alarmingly" protesting the against Indian state Govenment for absence of civic rights and various inefficiencies including erratic power supply, water supply and shortage of teachers in Govt schools . As per local newspaper Leh Times "India had been dishonest with people of Jammu & Kashmir state.

That lacks view/response/etc. of the 'other side', it appears as a 'news' item, not as an encyclopedic point, and certainly is not something that belongs in a lede. Moreover, this seems to be something that happens in an 'area', and should hence not be cross-posted on every page that has some relation to the the 'area'. If anywhere (which in itself may be disputed, is there independent coverage?), it belongs only on the top level page (the 'area', or 'the people (ethnic group or whatever)', or something similar) and there neutrally presented, expressing the views of all sides. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 05:22, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

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Minimum temperature

How did you get that temperature "often falls to -48C ?????? This is complete bulls.... ,since the lowest temperature EVER recorded at Khargil is -32C in January 1919. Get your facts right ! -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by maxcrc (talk • contribs)

The information is sourced to the Government of Kargil web site [1]. Please provide reliable sources for your claims. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:59, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Ok YashSuccess (talk) 21:30, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Kargil Town Population

It should be noted, that the population of Kargil, the town, is different than that of Kargil, the district as has been noted by another editor above, Rif Winfield, more than six years ago. I am going to change it to reflect the town's population. However, the geographic size of the town, does not seem to be available in the census data to contrast it with that of Kargil, the district, so the two demographic entities will be indistinguishable in size, until that too can be changed to reflect the actual demographic component... Stevenmitchell (talk) 20:37, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

 Done. I corrected the figures. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:45, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Unreliable source? tags

Elinruby, I don't see the point of filling up the page with "Unreliable source?" tags. If you would like to dispute them, do dispute them. This is reliable information as far as I can see. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:55, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

I didn't realize you were OWNing this article as well. I flagged all those map references for my own work on the article, or I would have taken the trouble to see if there is an OR tag. I don't need to "dispute" them, for crying out loud. They are definitely not secondary sources. Elinruby (talk) 19:49, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

I am afraid you indeed need to dispute them, because it is easily verifiable information. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:52, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

please don't tell me what I "need" to do. I came back here to note that all the map references are in a different article; my mistake, and that, yes, I do need to do. You on the other hand appear to need to review WP:BURDEN, and also WP:REVTALK. Reverting a cn tag is not a "correction". Elinruby (talk) 20:34, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Yup. I "need" to review WP:BURDEN and you "need" to tell me that. Ahem! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:53, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Apparently so? I am still preoccupied offline but re your request that I "check my tag", your change of ""narrative" to "Dogra natrative" is enough to be getting on with for now, and i will take off my what tag. I am assuming that this is what you are talking about; if not LMK. I will check Wikipedia when back and address any issues promptly though probably not immediately. Today though. Elinruby (talk) 23:57, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Whenever you get around to it. I am not in any hurry. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 03:02, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Copyediting issues

Elinruby, what is meant by "Further north along the Suru River valley, it reaches the Indus River valley". What reaches the Indus River valley? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:55, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

What article? It doesn't seem to be this one. I remember making a change in that sentence, but don't remember what. I would like to look it over before I say definitely. Out of context, it looks like ADD may have kicked in and "along" and "it" need to be deleted, but I would like to take a look before going with that, since I don't remember what I was trying to improve. HtH Elinruby (talk) 21:45, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Rizvi source

It looks good for the fact that Kargil is in a gorge and on the Suru. I was actually trying to flag the part about the most accessible route to Leh, however, which I found mildly surprising. Probably should have said so on the talk page, I guess.

(Maybe the point about the route seems stunningly obvious to you, but remember, lots of other people who aren't me and also aren't intimately familiar with the area will be reading the article).

Anyway, Rivzi "is* a source for something that the sentence says, so I am calling it good as far as my tag goes. Consider the above a suggestion for future improvement.

By the way, it is courteous of you to notify me, but as far as I am concerned you don't have to unless you want to. I just took issue with you removing one without adding a reference. If you do add one, feel free to just take off the tag. Elinruby (talk) 22:04, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes, the reason for pinging you is because I have no idea what you are objecting to. You can use the reason field of the tags to indicate. Or put something in the edit summary. As per WP:LEADCITE, we don't normally add citations to the lead except when there are contentious issues.

The trade route is not that surprising here, because it certainly looks shorter than going via Batalik. But even the route from Skardu went through here, which is indeed extraordinary. The full discussion is at Marol, Baltistan. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:27, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

I am not objecting to you pinging; just saying that you don't have to. I will take a look at this later as it isn't exactly a "minor rewrite" really, but I do see sources, which is good. Thank you for the courteous answer and link. I will check it out. Point taken on the reason field. And yeah, I don't claim to be a topic expert, but neither will most of the article's readers, or they wouldn't be looking it up, right? I mostly function as a copy editor. And translator, of course, but those languages mostly don't apply here Elinruby (talk) 20:10, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Kargils coordinate

I think the lattitude if Kargil should be the centre of the city not the downtown area. YashSuccess (talk) 21:51, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

How exactly do you determie the "centre" of the city? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:21, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

I took the lattitude between downtown and goma village and 34 33 46 was in the centre. YashSuccess (talk) 20:31, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Why is that? What is the significance of the Goma village? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:02, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Needs work

"Kargil's lattitude is similar to Kochi or Kashgar. While its lattitude would be similar too the southern most point of Cyprus or Osaka."

I can't parse this; maybe someone else can. No objection to this in principle if grammatical, correctly spelled and cited. Elinruby (talk) 07:34, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

We don't do comparisons like this any more, unless they are reliably sourced. (A number of old pages used to have it though.) -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:04, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Here, the first mention of lattitude should have been longitude. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:06, 8 February 2023 (UTC)