Talk:George Roper (ship)

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/8540993 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/8536356

Some more information is available from these articles, there may also be information in the other sources. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.7% of all FPs.} 21:08, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

http://www.environment.gov.au/shipwreck/public/wreck/wreck.do?key=6225 - the Australasian Underwater Cultural Heritage Database reference - has ship dimensions and a description of the remains of the wreck as they can be seen today. Both could be added.

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 16:41, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

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George Roper stranded on the reef at Point Lonsdale

• ... that the ship George Roper safely sailed from Liverpool to Australia on its first voyage, but got stuck on a reef (pictured) while being tugged into port? Source: http://www.environment.gov.au/shipwreck/public/wreck/wreck.do?key=6225
• Alt 1 (suggested by Nick-D) ... that the ship George Roper ran aground (pictured) and was wrecked at the end of its first voyage from Liverpool to Australia?
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Nietzsche, se créer liberté
  • Comment: I'm honestly not sure if I've hit 5 DYKs, though I suspect I'm a bit ahead on reviews overall. Nonetheless, I'll review something tomorrow to be safe. (Done now).

Does the picture need cropped? If the template there is the same template DYK uses, I'd say it's pretty decent, but we could crop a bit from the right easy enough.

Created by Adam Cuerden (talk). Self-nominated at 21:59, 7 January 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/George Roper (ship); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• Article new enough at time of nomination. Long enough (2000+ characters). Either hook is short enough and interesting. No obvious copyvio detected (one spot check done and Earwig checked). Verified by citation to accessible government database, which should be reliable in this context. Likewise, rest of the article looks well-sourced, no other major issues. I haven't searched through the nominator's history to count previous DYKs, but QPQ is done anyways and appreciated. Image is appropriately licensed (featured picture on Commons).

Recommend the second hook. I find the first one sounds more interesting, but it might be slightly unclear at first glance (if it "sailed" all the way to Australia, why or at what point was it being tugged?) The second hook avoids that and also explicitly clarifies that it was wrecked, which is part of what makes it interesting.

Optional: Given the small thumbnail display size, I think the image might benefit from a crop, as the nominator suggested. I'm not sure exactly how the final image for DYK is decided, but I assume a clearer thumbnail will make it more appealing, if the nominator feels it's worth the time to make one. R Prazeres (talk) 06:20, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@R Prazeres: How about this? Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.8% of all FPs.} 06:46, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

George Roper stranded on the reef at Point Lonsdale

Yeah, I think this looks good. And I agree with your comment here, it's good to keep the foreground for reference. Cheers, R Prazeres (talk) 06:51, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Sounds great. Think you're right about the second hook as well. Ah, well! Now just to wait for this to appear on a queue. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.8% of all FPs.} 13:04, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Lloyds register entry

This (about half way down) appears to be the Lloyd's register entry for the ship, which gives basic dimensions, tonnage etc. This may be of some use.Nigel Ish (talk) 22:22, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

I shall try to work this in. You know, if I add all the remaining sources, I might just be able to pull off a GA on a ship that only ever had one voyage. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.7% of all FPs.} 07:15, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

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What is going on in the foreground, with the two men dressed as police? Is an arrest in progress, or are the family putting on a play (as suggested by the man on the left, apparently reading aloud from a book)?  Card Zero  (talk) 18:37, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

George Roper was a four-masted iron barque that was built for service between England and Australia, launching from Liverpool in February 1883. On its maiden voyage, it carried 3,842 tons of cargo, including railway track for the Victorian Government, liquor, chemicals, drapery, and dynamite. It reached Australia in July, but got caught on the reef at Point Lonsdale while being towed into Port Melbourne. The ship sat there for nearly two months before breaking up and sinking on 26 August 1883. The wreck remains under 4–5 metres of water and is accessible to recreational divers. This photograph by the German-born photographer Fred Kruger shows George Roper's wreck at Point Lonsdale before it sank.

Photograph credit: Fred Kruger; restored by Adam Cuerden

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