Talk:Anne Robert Jacques Turgot

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Who are:

• the abbé Terrasson
• Law
• Dupont de Nemours (Surely not the French chemical company)
• Gournay
• Mme Graffigny
• Mlle. de Ligniville ("Minette"), afterwards Mme. Helvétius
• Mme Geoffrin
• Mme du Deffand
• Mlle de Lespinasse
• the duchesse d'Envilie
• Quesnay
• Gournay
• the abbé Morellet
• Josias Tucker
• Mirabeau
• the abbé Terray
• Maurepas
• the abbe Very
• Mme. de Polignac
• Choiseul
• Necker
• the comte de Guines, the ambassador in London
• Amelot
• Maurepas
• the duchesse d'Enville
• Oncken

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See the links I have added above for some of these persons. olivier 08:33 Dec 9, 2002 (UTC)

Yes, this is a problem with old non-hypertext encyclopedia like Britannica. A study of such references is an art in itself :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 18:17, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Physiocrat?

Was Turgot a physiocrat? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 18:17, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Wow, this was posted a while ago, but to anyone else wondering, he was not a physiocrat according to http://www.boisestate.edu/econ/lreynol/web/PDF_HET/Physiocratsoutline.pdf

too long

this is too long. it should be broken up - it is also hard to understand at times. a person trying to figure out who turgot is for the first time would be confused.

WP:MilHist Assessment

Definitely long and detailed, but needs better organization. The length and density of the text can be quite intimidating. (1) Improve and expand upon the introduction paragraph. In essence, tell us all we need to know about this person in the first paragraph, before going into the true details. And.. I don't know. I'll certainly admit I have not read through the article, but many of the elements I've glanced at can be omitted, or rephrased to sound more encyclopedic. In the last section, for example, a lot is said about his character. How do we know his character? Are his friends here to tell us what he was like? This needs to be re-worked. Also, and this is my own personal feeling, but I do not really care for the mentioning of differing academic theories, mentioning scholars (Oncken and Leon Say) by name - this is an encyclopedia, not a master's thesis. However, despite my criticisms (and they are constructive criticisms, not personal attacks on the writer(s) of this article), overall it is a wonderfully detailed entry, and it even includes a picture. I give it a B, and I think with a little work it could qualify for GA or A-Class status. LordAmeth 15:51, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 02:18, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

What "Religious Oath"?

The article states that Turgot was dismayed that the American Revolution did not abolish slavery and that a religious oath was required. I'm wondering what the latter concern was based on. What religious oath or expression of fealty was required beyond the generic "so help me God" that still exists today in many places when people testify in court or are invested with public office? Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't religious restrictions on voting and holding office mostly eliminated even before the First Amendment was enacted? Surely fealty to the Church of England was eliminated.

Article Bias

The article, apart from being too long, clearly shows bias toward Turgot. It almost invariably presents his actions as successful regardless of the effect it then describes, which it ascribes to forces beyond his control. Thorough use of weasel words -- a "slight" increase of grain prices which leads to revolts, without mentioning or citing what "slight" means in context -- and over-explaining in order to confuse the issue. I don't know enough about Turgot himself but this article deserves to be rewritten to reduce obvious authorial judgment. Thegreatmuka (talk) 02:12, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 29 August 2015

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The result of the move request was: moved. Unopposed. Jenks24 (talk) 16:35, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

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Anne-Robert-Jacques Turgot, Baron de Laune → Anne Robert Jacques Turgot – Given he is known mainly as "Turgot" and that "Laune" has other spellings (Launes, l'Aulne), the page should be moved to a simpler and more recognizable title. I removed the hyphens because the French WP does; I wouldn't mind if we retained them. Srnec (talk) 20:22, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

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Apparent error in Education Section

How can Anne Robert be the youngest son of Michel-Étienne Turgot, and yet have a younger brother, Étienne-François Turgot? How does that work? Stevenmitchell (talk) 08:30, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

@Stevenmitchell:, I'd be tempted to say {{Sofixit}}, but you've been around long enough not to need that. Anyway, it's an obvious editing mistake; the brother's birth year is right there, and can be confirmed in his IdRef entry. LouisAlain introduced the update a couple of weeks ago (feel free to comment or not). Fixing it (also outdenting the header). David Brooks (talk) 16:56, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

• David, one of the reasons why I posed this question was the logic seemed to imply that there may have been more siblings in the family than were mentioned here, but I couldn't find any corroboration to that suspicion when I did an online search, or in the article about his father, who seems to be an important part of French history as well. Thanks for your response and input. Regards, SteveStevenmitchell (talk) 04:25, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for making the edit. After diving into the Tremblay website a little, I'm more interested that Françoise-Hélène-Étiennette was married (or, at the age of 28, married off?) to a duke 45 years her senior. One could speculate that some political advantage was to be had on both sides, which if proven would be worth mentioning in the father's bio. According to the site, there were no children and her property (including Château Bleu) passed to brother Etienne after her death. David Brooks (talk) 17:19, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

(the following was chronologically before the above responses).

Apparently, Anne-Robert wasn't the youngest son of his father Michel-Étienne Turgot but the third one. [1] after Michel-Jacques, Étienne-François and before Françoise-Hélène-Étiennette. The text must thus be corrected. LouisAlain (talk) 18:35, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

• Louis, thank you for the article references. When I did an earlier search I had not found any significant information on the family of Michel-Étienne Turgot. But the reference you provided (albeit in French) seems to be excellent. Regards. Steve. Stevenmitchell (talk) 20:49, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Merci Stevenmitchell (in French though)

It's still literally correct to say he was the youngest son; ignoring a daughter is probably due to the biases of the 1911 source. Looks like his sister became the duchess of Paul-Hippolyte de Beauvilliers, duke of Saint-Aignan, although 45 years his junior.[2] I don't know if it's worth complicating the text here. David Brooks (talk) 19:02, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Wasn't he jewish?

Numerous websites state that Turgot was jewish, and was one of the reasons Louis XVI was positive to them. Is it true? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:58A:8003:E46D:1803:2969:17B1:AD08 (talk) 00:11, 8 November 2016 (UTC)