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Is there a good way to include the page from which I acquired data with the data so that it can be easily updated by another editor in the future?

On Franklin High_School (Portland, Oregon) a student population is listed, and a pdf is cited with no context to how the pdf was found, so in order to update the information I had to do a completely new search. Is there any way that I can add on to my citation a index style page, specifically this one, for future editors to use to find updated information? The Editor's Apprentice (talk) 23:35, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello The Editor's Apprentice and welcome to the Teahouse.

While there is no formal parameter from the citation template that would be suitable for this additional URL, you could certainly add an HTML comment <!-- index page is at https://www.pps.net/site/Default.aspx?PageID=942 --> to the citation. This will be visible only to someone who opens the editing view of the page. That website, to me, seems improperly built, since it uses opaque internal page numbers in places where meaningful names could be supplied, but perhaps there is some technical explanation for why it is done this way - perhaps that's the only way the web developer could satisfy the requirement to support multiple languages. But one consequence of building the website this way is that there is no apparent commitment to the current structure that can be relied on by external sites when they link to its pages. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:15, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response! The idea that you presented seems like a very good one, so I'll soon implement it as well as keep it in my back pocket for my future editing travels.

The structure is defiantly a mess, and continues be a mess throughout the website/domain. My best guess, just personal use is that the number is some sequential identifier which marks how many pages have come before it, though I may be wrong.

On a side note, when it comes to the Teahouse, are non-hosts allowed to respond to questions, or is that forbidden because of how it would completely destroy the purpose of having the host role? The Editor's Apprentice (talk) 04:47, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

@The Editor's Apprentice: The "host" role is pretty notional. A lot of the people providing answers here (including me) never formally signed on as hosts. If someone provides poor quality answers, they'll usually be quickly corrected and asked to stop until they have learned more.

The site we're complaining about is built with Centricity, now owned by BlackBoard, and the overall operation looks like something that I suspect is built on top of SharePoint, but I may just not have seen enough of these content delivery systems to recognize the right earmarks. Page-number-based addressing allows you to separate content from structure, to a certain extent, so I can see it being justified on that basis. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 05:27, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Okay, sounds good. The Editor's Apprentice (talk) 22:33, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Although this is a more wonky option, and much less general-purpose than the above advice (which I definitely endorse), there is a somewhat template-based method of including this information. Specifically, the {{as of}} template has an optional |url= parameter, which "adds an inline external link (hidden by default) suggesting a webpage for future editors to check for updates to the statement" (permanent link). However, that optional parameter only displays in an article for those who have implemented the necessary code in their common.css page. Otherwise, it will only appear in the wikitext.

In situations wherein you are using {{as of}} anyway, though, adding the link to the |url= parameter is functionally equivalent to an invisible comment like explained above with the additional benefit for anyone with the code added to their common.css. Either solution works and you will almost definitely just be using hidden comments most to all the time, as may be most appropriate in this situation; what matters is that such data are included, which is more than many editors do. Thank you for such consideration and for your contributions! —Nøkkenbuer (talk • contribs) 01:50, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

The Editor's Apprentice, statistics for schools should come from a reliable independent source such as NCES or the state DOE. John from Idegon (talk) 06:53, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Good point, John from Idegon! I checked NCES and found this, DOE didn't seem to have anything. I'm reluctant to use NCES as the main source for 3 reasons. 1, they have outdated data, the current stuff being 2 years behind the stuff on the districts website. 2, the website notes that "Data provided ... [is] from the official school level data for 2015-2016, implying that their data is no less reliable or independent then that of the districts. 3, I don't expect them to maintain high quality and up to date information when the can't even get the school and district websites correct, instead there link is redirected to the current one.

You should probably read WP:TRUTH. NCES is always behind, but this is an encyclopedia article. The most current information is not the highest priority. Simply remove the text about the info coming from the school. Secondary sources should always be used, even if the data lags behind a primary source. Your assumption about the school district and their reporting of information to NCES (which is the data distribution department of the US Department of Education) is incorrect. They could fail to report the mandatory figures to the DOE, but to do so would endanger their receipt of federal education and school lunch funds, so it's fairly certain they won't do that. Can't say for sure in Washington, but in most states, schools are not mandated to report enrollment figures to the public. John from Idegon (talk) 00:25, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Michigan Chicken Wing Festival - Lansing, MI

How can I add the Michigan Chicken Wing Festival - this festival takes place Labor Day Weekend in Lansing, MI— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:405:4800:636d:289a:8ebc:22d0:40a8 (talk) 01:28, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

You could make an article about it (longer and harder), or you could go to the Labor Day article and add a segment about using == Section name== Cyclone of Foxes (talk) 17:22, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Also, make sure to sign your posts with four tildes (~) Cyclone of Foxes (talk) 18:08, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi IP 2601:405:4800:636d:289a:8ebc:22d0:40a8. Wikipedia's role is not really to promote events, etc., so an article about the festival is pretty much only going to be accepted if you can demonstrate that the event satisfies Wikipedia:Notability (events); in other words, you're bascially going to have to show that the event has received significant coverage in reliable sources for it to be considered Wikipedia notable enough to support a stand-alone article. Routine coverage in local newspapers, magazines, websites, etc. might be acceptable for citing certain factual content about the event, but it's not going to help establish Wikipedia notability. Moreover, you're probably going to have to establish that the event receives such coverage beyond its local area.

As for adding information about the event to another article, that might be possible, but you're going to have be able to provide citations to reliable sources to support any content you add, and the content is going to have to be encyclopedically relevant to whatever article you add it too. It might be possible to add such content to Lansing, Michigan#Cultural celebrations, but you probably would be best seeing what others think by proposing the addition on Talk:Lansing, Michigan first. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:26, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

I'd also add that it probably wouldn't be a good addition to Labor Day, and unless the festival is long-standing (think 10+ years) and has had coverage from distant sources (national magazines or newspapers from at least as far away as Chicago), it probably won't fly in the article on Lansing, either. Wikipedia is the last stop on the publicity train. John from Idegon (talk) 00:38, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

number of peer review

On the instruction page it says to close out a peer review, replace the peer review template at the top of the talk page with one that says "old peer review" then "archive=N", and N=the number of the peer review discussion. The question I have is exactly which number are they referring to as N? At the top of the page it says archive one, but on the main page that lists all the peer reviews mine is listed at 9.2--so which number is N? The one or the 9.2? Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:44, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi again Jenhawk777. N is the number of times the article has been up for peer review. Leave it at archive=1 since this the first review and is already located at Wikipedia:Peer review/Biblical criticism/archive1. The instructions may be a bit out of date, reviews may have had a different location before being archived. StarryGrandma (talk) 05:03, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello again! Hope you are well! Thank you. I will make the attempt to close that review now. May I ask a second question while I have you here? What is the process for nominating an article for FA? Where does one go to do that? Jenhawk777 (talk) 05:06, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

The information on how to do it appears to be at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates. Its nice to see the article progress. StarryGrandma (talk) 05:43, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

I found it and figured it out--Wikipedia instructions are often clear as mud, but this was pretty straightforward. Thank you so much! Yes, it's been a long haul but I would really love to see it go all the way. Wish me luck! Jenhawk777 (talk) 05:56, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

My Page was disapproved due to tone issues please help!

Hello, I am trying to create a Wikipedia page for my brands business it has been around for a little less than a year. This is my first attempt and it was disapproved due to tone issues and reading like promotional material. Could you please offer me suggestions on what to improve, every other brand out there has a page on Wiki and that is all I am aiming to achieve here as well. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. See below.

draft content

Edgy Couture is a urban clothing brand based in Phoenix, Arizona. It was founded by Ryan Donovan in 2017 in Shrewsbury, Massachusetts. Edgy Couture is available globally and offers expedited shipping. You can visit them at their website Edgy Couture where you can find a variety of regular and plus size dresses, rompers and other sexy clubwear along with swimwear, costumes, intimates, shoes, handbags and accessories. == History == Edgy Couture was started by Ryan E. Donovan in November, 2017 in Shrewsbury, Massachusetts. Edgy Couture embraces their urban roots as well as their love for rhinestones, studs, spikes, skulls, and all thinks pink! Edgy Couture’s logo consists of a jagged backwards “e” and a forward facing jagged “c” encased in a circle representing the edgy glamor unity that the brand strives to represent. Their mission is: “To Inspire Fashion Without Limits, On A Global Scale.” – Ryan Donovan, Founder CEO In May 2018 the brand relocated to Phoenix, AZ to focus more on networking, development, and brand recognition. In July 2018 the brand reached out to the Art Institute of Phoenix and selected prospective design interns to showcase their creativity. Their trademark was approved and finalized on June 9th 2018.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by EdgyCouture (talk • contribs) 07:44, 8 August 2018 (UTC)‎

EdgyCouture Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid you have a common misconception about what Wikipedia is. It is an encyclopedia and not a forum for companies to tell the world about themselves. As an encyclopedia, we are only interested in what independent reliable sources state about a subject. Wikipedia has very little interest in what a company wants to say about itself. As you state your brand is new, I suspect it has not been independently written about enough to merit inclusion here. Not every company merits an article here. It simply is not true that "every brand has a page on wiki".

Your text is a blatant advertisement and is not suitable for Wikipedia. If you just want to tell the world about your brand, you should use social media or a personal website to do that. I'm sorry this is probably not good to hear, but this is the way things are. 331dot (talk) 23:30, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Teahouse is not the place to try drafting an article (that is what your sandbox is for). And as already answered, this brand is too unknown to meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability. Since it is your brand, you also have WP:COI and WP:PAID issues to address. Best advice - abandon any attempt to create an article about your brand. David notMD (talk) 00:01, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

How to add image to existing article?

Hello, I am trying to add the profile image for https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Zain_Imam but looks like it is created with Template:Infobox. I am getting Warning: Zain Imam is calling Template:Infobox person with more than one value for the "image" parameter. Only the last value provided will be used. So does that means once created with no option set earlier, I can't add image?Is there anyway to add? Kindly advise. Thanks Kkits23 02:18, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Kkits23. Can you please provide the precise image filename that you are trying to add to this article? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:27, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply. Well I am trying to insert --->Zain Imam On Sajid Shahid's Photoshoot (43183849194).jpg.Thanks Kkits23 02:33, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi Kkits23. It's techinically fairly simple to add an image to the template; all you need to do is add the file to the |image= parameter in the template; for example; the syntax would look something like this: image=File:Zain Imam On Sajid Shahid's Photoshoot (43183849194).jpg. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:43, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I tried couple of times as per provided help.I tried omitting the prefix File also. Still I am getting warning and the image and caption is not getting updated.

| image = Zain Imam On Sajid Shahid's Photoshoot (43183849194).jpg

| caption = Zain Imam On Sajid Shahid's Photoshoot

Warning: Zain Imam is calling Template:Infobox person with more than one value for the "image" parameter. Only the last value provided will be used. (Help)

Warning: Zain Imam is calling Template:Infobox person with more than one value for the "caption" parameter. Only the last value provided will be used. (Help)

Thanks Kkits23 02:49, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Not sure why you were having a problem. I've added the image and I didn't notice any warning message. The warning you got is usually given when there are two of the same parameter within the same template, so the software is telling you that it can only use one. I don't see two "image" or "caption" parameters in the template, so I don't know why you got that warning. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:56, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the assistance. I can see the image is updated and the caption is also displayed well. Once again thanks, Highly appreciate your help. Kkits23 03:13, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Glad to help. And now for something completely different, there appears to be something wrong with your signature. All signatures should have at least one link to your user page, user talk page, or your contributions page per WP:SIGLINK, but yours doesn’t. Are you signing your posts as explained in WP:TILDE? —- Marchjuly (talk) 03:34, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Strange..i guess i am following the process correctly.Let me try using the sign option from edit toolbar now.--Kkits23 04:38, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

I assume that you may have tried to customise your signature and done it incorrectly. Perhaps you mistakenly checked the "Treat the above as wiki markup" box at Special:Preferences? If in doubt, restore to default settings. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:00, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

password theft

someone is constantly trying to enter my wikipedia account from a new device and also succeeded in cracking password at few times though I have changed it but the notifications of successfull or failed attempts keep coming ! Crispgatoglitz (talk) 04:53, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

If you are logging in from a place of work, or have used a computer which stores passwords by default, then someone may be logging into your account from that device unintentionally. In any case you should change your password to a strong password. When you do this, use a device to which others do not have access. This will in most cases prevent password theft and unintentional login.

If you want your account to be more secure see the information contained in this link on how to add two factor authentication. This will allow you to receive a one time six digit password, which you can receive from an app on your smart phone.

If you cannot regain sole control of your account you will need to talk to an administrator and it is possible you will be asked to create a new account. Wikipedia policy is that only one person should have control of one account, and in cases where it is not possible to ensure this condition, accounts may be closed. Edaham (talk) 05:35, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello Crispgatoglitz and welcome to the Teahouse.

The two-factor authentication on Wikipedia mentioned by Edaham is currently limited to Administrators, Bureaucrats, Oversighters, Checkusers, and Edit filter managers. as mentioned on the linked page. I don't know if there is a discussion to extend this feature to all registered users. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:26, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

I didn't know that, thanks. I should have re-read the account security page more carefully before I posted. I knew the function existed, but couldn't remember reading anything about the limitations. Cheers again. Edaham (talk) 09:39, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia update - company name change

Hi everyone,

I'm very new to this so please bear with me! I am currently working on updating a company Wikipedia page, but I have been struggling to get a change past the admins (I'm probably doing it wrong!)

The client, which was previously called Kontiki, has since changed its name to Kollective. I’ve tried making this request via the ‘talk’ section for admins but have been unable to get this sorted (for a couple of weeks now). I've supplied evidence (http://cp.wainhouse.com/blog/2015/03/23/kontiki-becomes-kollective and https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=1051164) but it doesn't seem to have worked. I wanted to see if there was a trick to it? Apologies if this is a little cheeky - I have been trying to get this sorted for a couple of weeks, so I thought it was worth asking!

Thanks in advance for any help or insights you can provide! — Preceding unsigned comment added by SBrowning123 (talk • contribs) 10:00, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

In your request on the article talk page you hadn't terminated the template, (you had missed off the terminating "}}" characters), so it hadn't put the page into Category:Requested moves to draw attention to your request. Hopefully I've now corrected this. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:10, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Where to start?

Sorry if I am being a little irritating, I just am a bit overwhelmed with what to do! I have done that interactive tour thing which I have forgotten the name of (sorry) and that does explain the concept and gives me a basic idea of what to do but I'm not sure where to start. What would any of you recommend that I do as my first 'proper' edit on Wikipedia?

Aesthetic Sunset (talk) 16:14, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Pick an article about a topic you know well. See if it can in any way be improved. Could be as little as a spelling or grammar error. If you believe a statement is wrong, consider changing it, but first look at the citation that supposedly supports the statement. Generally, be progressive in your additions and deletions. If reverted (reversed) treat that as a learning experience. Good luck. David notMD (talk) 16:23, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

@Aesthetic Sunset: There's usually a few requests for copyediting at WP:GOCE, basically, check for style, consistency, spelling, etc. if that's your thing. You can also monitor Special:RecentChanges for vandalism edits and revert them, though you have to be careful for edits that might look like vandalism but might be helpful – when in doubt, leave it and it'll probably be reviewed by someone else later (WP:Twinkle is a good tool for automating that if you have time to learn how to use it). There's a whole list of the cleanup categories at Wikipedia:Maintenance, and if there's a topic that interests you, you could always create your own article, following the process at WP:Your First Article.— Alpha3031 (t • c) 16:29, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Davide notMD and Alpha3031 Thank you both for your suggestions, I think I wi change spelling and grammar mistakes as it *is* my thing :D Thanks for all the links too :)

Aesthetic Sunset (talk) 16:42, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

If so, Aesthetic Sunset, then please remember to respect English variation, which applies to punctuation and not just spelling. If you rely on a spell checker to find these errors, keep in mind that spelling conventions in other variations of English—such as "tyre" compared to "tire" or "standardise" compared to "standardize"—may be underlined because the dictionary your spell checker is using only supports a certain variation. Similarly, you may come across words that are obscure enough to be underlined as misspelled even when they aren't because they are not in your spell checker's dictionary, either. If you are ever in doubt, just do a web search for the word; Wiktionary tends to have words that other dictionaries don't, but I don't recommend it as your only source.

It may also help to check out the Typo Team, especially its moss project, the latter of which has a very lengthy list of issues that may interest you. Lastly, if you ever want to just knock out a given misspelling from the encyclopedia (until it eventually returns), search the misspelled word in the search box (insource:misspelled word might also help) and have at it, taking special care with quotes. Thanks for your interest in helping Wikipedia! —Nøkkenbuer (talk • contribs) 21:42, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

NøkkenbuerThank you! I have checked out moss and have got the Wiktionary saved as a link on my desktop :)I like changing grammar and it helps me with my English studies too, so I wouldn't worry about that I think it is safe with me! Aesthetic Sunset (talk) 10:31, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

New to Wikipedia

I am a big fan of wikipedia and often do see where corrections and clarifications can be added. So I look forward to learning to edit. My first attempt was yesterday and I think I made an elementary mistake in the <ref> and link entries. Also I wanted to state my interest in the subject matter as Wikipedia suggests. I am happy to wait for professional editor to examine the document, but should I be asking someone in the meantime where I went wrong on what should be simple things? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LowrieJohn (talk • contribs) 02:15, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

LowrieJohn: there is no professional editor here, we're all volunteers. I have had a look at Draft:Malfeasance in Foreign Aid. All the citations will need to be redone. I suggest you look at Help:Referencing for beginners. I've made a couple of minor edits to the style, and redone the second reference (to The Phnom Penh Post) for you so you can see how it should look. Also, a word of advice: citing your own work and writing about yourself in Wikipedia articles is frowned upon. Maproom (talk) 07:20, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Your submission of the draft was rejected but still exists as a draft. One of the reviewer's comments: Please read WP:REFB for help with correctly formatting sources. Please also note that Linked, Twitter, Amazon and Wikipedia are not suitable reliable sources. David notMD (talk) 12:26, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Can you use an external reference in another language for footnotes?

Most of the established references for this subject are in German, but this is an English article. Can I use a foreign language reference for support?

Grady train Hi, Welcome to Teahouse. Reliable, independent references/sources in any languages could be in an article. Please check out referencing for beginners on how to cite source in Wikipedia. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 15:18, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Please help!

I was trying to edit the infobox for the Zhong Chenle Wikipedia page and I messed up the infobox, how do I fix it?Libleft127 (talk) 16:25, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Yes Libleft127. It does appear that you broke the infobox as you attempted to vandalize the article. Kindly don't do that. If you continue to, you will likely be blocked from editing. GMG^talk 16:34, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

When to add sources

Hi, do we have to add sources for each fact or description in an article e.g. describing the plot of a film or book? Or stating a more general fact?— Preceding unsigned comment added by HorrorProfessor (talk • contribs)

@HorrorProfessor: Always add a source for any new information, or if you see unsourced information and you know of a source for that info.

You can use the same source to support multiple facts. For example, some articles will have a whole paragraph with just one source at the end of said paragraph. Ian.thomson (talk) 16:22, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

I suggest taking a look at Wikipedia:Verifiability, HorrorProfessor. The consensus about plot summaries seems to be that the film or book itself suffices as a source. See WP:FILMPLOT on this. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:37, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Planning to create a page

Can u help me to create the page... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikieditorchoice1 (talk • contribs) 17:01, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Hey Wikieditorchoice1. Probably a good place for you to start would be to read over our tutorial on writing your first article, and then come back here if you have any particular questions. GMG^talk 17:04, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Getting an article translated German to English and criteria for who might do it and for doing it at all

I want to create an article on an artist who is a US citizen and spent a good bit of time in early life in NYC and environs. After moving permanently to Germany and continuing her career there, the German Wikipedia has a stand alone article. I would like to edit and contribute to it and put it on English Wikipedia. I would like to continue what is started in German because I am less familiar with the references and notability that exists there. I would like to take their (German's) word for what is happening in Germany and contribute from sources exclusively in the US. I know a good bit of German but not enough to translate myself. Is this done? Nudgol (talk) 23:10, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Drat; @Nudgol: as a friend you followed my friendly suggestion and nothing happened. Apparently no participant here claims competence in this matter. I don’t, either (or I would have acted on your personal request) but I do know a few places to look into, such as WP:TRANSLATETOHERE and Wikipedia:Requested articles/Arts and entertainment/Visual arts. The problem with these is, a notice there only works if someone reads it who is both competent and interested. Biographies of living artists, alas, are a fairly narrow interest (as compared, for example, to models or politicians) but still, there’s no knowing until you try.

Minor matters of form for a post here, better to make a shorter header such as “Translate German article to English” and to give the proposed name of the article in the first sentence. Ideally, also an interwiki link to the German article, but of course new editors aren’t expected to have the slightest idea what that is, so no problem. Jim.henderson (talk) 17:32, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Nudgol Who is the artist? I might be able to help. Vexations (talk) 17:48, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Vexztions Jim.henderson thank you both for your concern and help. The artist is Andrea Scrima. I am told that she is on German Wiki, as an author and visual artist. I confess that I don't know how to access other language Wikipedias, otherwise I would give you a link. If you find it maybe you could give it to me or tell me how to access. If you could translate it would be great, I can be helpful since I do some German, know the career and could carry on from there. Any suggestions otherwise very welcome. Nudgol (talk) 17:42, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

So, Vexations Nudgol we are perhaps getting somewhere. No shame that you don't know how to link to de:Andrea Scrima as it's a little trick that old-timers use to show how cool we are. The article is short, but has vitals and other matters that could go into Wikidata. The greater priority is to translate the prose; I'm hoping someone will chime in to save us from wrestling with Google Translate. Jim.henderson (talk) 23:51, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

@Jim.henderson: Please see WP:MACHINETRANSLATION before trying to use Google translate. Machine translations have improved over the years, but it's probably still not a good idea to put too much faith in them. Try asking some of the editors listed in Category:Translators de-en; you might find someone willing to help out. You might also try checking on German Wikipedia as well (see de:Kategorie:Benutzer:Übersetzer en-de and de:Kategorie:Benutzer:Übersetzer de-en). -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:10, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

I'll do the translation. My German is pretty decent. Please stay away from google translate. A machine translation is worse than no article. Vexations (talk) 00:58, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Splendid. I was improperly vague; the difficult wrestling comes not in activating the machine translation, but in turning its output into something readable and reasonably accurate. Jim.henderson (talk) 01:18, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

The translation is at Draft:Andrea Scrima. It needs work; it does not currently meet our sourcing requirements, but I think the first version should resemble the source article as much as possible. Please help by adding independent, reliable sources. --Vexations (talk) 02:38, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank-you Vexations for the great translation and reorganization as well as noted deficiencies. I will work on them and add - if there are any notable - material in English.Nudgol (talk) 17:59, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Correct a disambiguation

How do I simply point out a need for a correction without actually correcting it myself (not a techie)? Once I hear from someone I will post my issue, but when I tried the first time, it asked me if I wanted to publish it. I don't. I would like someone else to adjudicate a disambiguation. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.198.215.155 (talk)

Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. You can post the exact page name and correction here for review. Ignore that the button says "Publish changes". It only changes the page you are editing, e.g. this Teahouse page. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:37, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Roger Stone, Paul Manafort and the 800 dossiers, called "whip books"

I read: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/03/paul-manafort-american-hustler/550925/

In 1977 Manafort helped Stone secure presidency of the Young Republicans → Which one?

• a. College Republicans
• b. Young Republicans

In our enWP-Roger Stone-article there is a link to b. -

In a. and b. there is a link to Roger Stone, one link is wrong and should be deleted. Please help.--87.170.193.245 (talk) 22:47, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Never mind, I just figured it out. :-) --87.170.207.38 (talk) 00:27, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Conflict of interest

Hi,

I'm just wondering how companies post their company pages without having a "conflict of interest" which is what I was recently pinged for. I'd like to complete this page without being bias so what is the best way to go about doing that.

Thanks Erika — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erikalaurelroad (talk • contribs) 17:39, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Ideally, they don't. They wait until a volunteer decides that the subject meets our standards for notability and writes an article on them without the subject needing to be involved. If you feel that you must, then first you should know that it is most often a waste of time, because it is very difficult to write about a subject for which you have a conflict of interest, and do so in a way that complies with Wikipedia standards. Second, you should carefully read our policy on conflicts of interest and take care to abide by it, including disclosing your business relationship. Then third, you should submit your article through our articles for creation project, which you have done, and where it was rightfully rejected as being overtly promotional (see point 1 about wasted time). GMG^talk 17:47, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

There is no "their company page." When an article exists about a company, anyone can edit it. On occasion a person from a company asks if an article can be deleted. Not, as long as the sources are valid. David notMD (talk) 21:06, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Assuming this question is about Draft:Laurel Road, unless you've got considerably better sources, it is WP:TOOSOON. John from Idegon (talk) 01:14, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Editing Reverted of both text and images

Hello, I updated the page for Andy Scott the Scottish Sculptor as the current page is really out of date and the images are not representing his current portfolio. I used my own text and my own images. The changes I made showed for one day and then it reverted to the old page again. Can you please explain why this happened? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JeroenGlasgow (talk • contribs) 21:29, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Hey JeroenGlasgow. It looks like your edits were reverted by Crowsus as being unsourced. All content on Wikipedia needs to be backed up with citations that meet our standards for reliability, so that content can be verified by readers. Content that you contribute from your own personal knowledge or experience is considered original research and is not allow on Wikipedia. GMG^talk 21:36, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks GreenMeansGo; I did explain my reasons for reverting in the summary along with instructions for ways to comply with policies, but maybe since JeroenGlasgow has little experience with the formats, they might not have noticed. They have admitted to being Andy Scott's manager, which is obviously a conflict of interest, although to be honest I'm not bothered about that as long as the information added is presented fairly and is, of course, sourced properly. To JeroenGlasgow, please feel free to re-add your update with source(s) for the information you are adding so it can be checked for accuracy. I also refer you to WP:NOTGALLERY in relation to the images, a few is fine but shouldn't be everything he has ever done. There is already a link to a wider collection of images of Andy's work at Wikimedia. Crowsus (talk) 21:54, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Being someone's manager is likely going to be seen as a financial conflict of interest, which means Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure needs to be satisfied. I've added information about this to JeroenGlasgow's user talk. COI editors might only be encouraged to disclose their COI, but paid editors are required to do so per the Wikimedia Foundation's Terms of Service. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:28, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for this. I am indeed new to editing on Wikipedia. And full disclosure: I am Andy's manager and wife so don't get paid, but I guess indirectly I will. All the information I added is correct and can be verified. How can I add sources for verification? My aim is to have an up to date page as we get regular complaints that Andy's Wikipedia page is old and not representing his portfolio well. There is not even an image of "The Kelpies" on there, despite the millions of visitors and images on the internet. An image of 'Rise' with some orange cone or cloth is not very flattering either. I would be happy with a few images (people have made amazing images of Andy's work) but not only old ones. That is not a fair representation of his work. I will try and find Wikimedia and 'user talk' for further information.

Protocol question

Is it considered improper, bad form, etc., to quote a comment by a user on their talk page and post a link to that in an article talk page? (This was in response to a question I posed to that user on their talk page.) Humanengr (talk) 00:55, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello Humanengr and welcome to the Teahouse.

Quoting, with attribution and links, is generally not forbidden. That issue alone is not a matter of protocol.

On the other hand, you need to exercise reasonably good judgment in doing so. If you are holding up another editor's comments for criticism, or for support of your position, or in any way that takes them out of context, that can lead to disagreements and may be seen as a disruptive practice. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:50, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Unable to upload photo file

I am writing my first Wikipedia article on Edward Forman, a rocket pioneer, who is referenced on the Wikipedia JATO and Jack Parsons pages, where the red link shows there's no page for him. Thus I am writing one. I just tried to upload a photo of Edward that belongs to me, from family archives and received an error message. I read everything about the copyright rules as well as attributions on Wikipedia and still can't figure out why I can't upload it. Please help.— Preceding unsigned comment added by LynnMaginnis (talk • contribs) 07:17, 9 August 2018 (UTC)‎

Hi LynnMaginnis. I'm going to add a welcome template to your user talk page that contain a number of links to various Wikipedia pages related to uploading and using images. Please take a bit of time to look through these pages. In general, uploading and using images can be tricky depending upon the type of image and its copyright status, and you'll find more details about both in those aforementioned pages. If you still have questions after looking at them, feel free to ask for help either here or at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:35, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

How to add content

Hi I want to add some content to a page, but for lack of citation those points are getting removed by other editors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ananya Poddar (talk • contribs) 09:53, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

That's correct. If no citation the content should be removed. There are useful links on your user talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:02, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Restore deleted page

Is it possible to restore a Wikipedia page that was rejected? I understand that I need to make edits, but it would be much easier to work from the original page so I don't need to take the time to find and cite everything again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sailingtigerlilly (talk • contribs) 11:33, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

If you are asking if Draft:Philip C. Kendall can be restored it can not. That draft was a copyright violation of http://childanxiety.org/wps/people/dr-kendal/ ~ GB fan 11:42, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Past edit to my fathers bio

I just happened to check my fathers page, Ralph H Fox. I found that much of his biography had been edited out, I have no idea why. I can't imagine any controversy. Can this be reversed?

Thanks Robin H Fox — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:444:8200:a260:4883:cf58:aaf4:89df (talk) 13:34, 9 August 2018‎ (UTC)

It would help if you linked the article you are talking about. Is it Ralph Fox? If it is I do not see where information has been removed. ~ GB fan 13:42, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

I don't see my page which i published 2 days ago

I don't see my page which i published 2 days ago: is it an average time? what should I check in order to understand why I still don't see it published?

thanks for any help, silvia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Silvia cesa bianchi (talk • contribs) 14:45, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Hey Siliva. The page is still in your user sandbox at User:Silvia cesa bianchi/sandbox. I have added a banner that will allow you to submit it for review. However, in its current state it will not be accepted, because it includes no references to independent published sources. You may want to review our tutorial on writing your first article. GMG^talk 14:49, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Website of the company is not an acceptable ref. Also, do you have any unpaid or paid connection to the company? Need to declare. David notMD (talk) 16:14, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Tried to edit, but messed up page

I tried to edit some of the information on Nick Hanauer's Wikipedia page, but in doing so I messed up the format of the information box. Can somebody fix it, or help me fix it?--Goodwin Deacon18:46, 9 August 2018 (UTC)Goodwin Deacon (talk)

I reverted the edit. The user added in names of alleged relatives, without sourcing, and which would tie them to controversy. We might be subject to libel laws, since the persons added are not public figures. Bearian (talk) 19:15, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Question about languages other than English used in English Wikipedia articles

Hello, I am a new Wikipedia editor. I recently happened upon this page, Cao Shui, about a [living] Chinese writer. The references are all written in Chinese characters (traditional vs. simplified, I am not sure), with no English text at all. I am wondering if this is an 'issue' that needs to be 'fixed'. For example, should these references be translated into English? More generally, do all non-English language words need to be translated into English, on the English Wikipedia? Thank you. Jimbo4949 (talk) 19:00, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi Jimbo4949. It's not an immediate problem, no. Non-English text and non-Latin characters are appropriate in articles about subjects concerning the non-English-speaking world. In the article text, these should generally be translated and/or explained. In the list of references, this is less important, because obviously anyone who wished to consult the reference would need to be able to read the language it is written in anyway. However, you can add a translation or transliteration of the title to the reference if you want (the citation templates have a |trans_title= parameter for this). – Joe (talk) 19:22, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

PLEASE ADVISE me

Please advise me about the necessary revision of the article below to be the main space article.

• Draft:Peace Treaty on Korean Peninsula
  

I hope this subject is suitable to one of the articles on Wikipedia as soon as practicable as per the poor and weak North Korean children. Goodtiming8871 (talk) 06:29, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

It's unclear to me what the draft is meant to be about. Is it about a particular peace treaty, or just the general idea that there might be one? Maproom (talk) 06:59, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi User:Maproom Thank you for your inquiry. It is a particular peace treaty on Korean Peninsula to resolve the North Korea's nuclear issue. Please add my id : User:goodtiming8871 to notice when you can response my update above Goodtiming8871 (talk) 02:39, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Goodtiming8871: thank you for your explanation. In that case, it would be better to start the draft with the word "The", not "A", to make it clear that it's about a specific proposed treaty. Maproom (talk) 06:50, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi :Maproom:Yep, thank you for your professional and kind advice. Let me change the subject within today. Please guide me if there is any more work to be done on this draft:topic when you are convenient. Goodtiming8871 (talk) 20:24, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Upage

How do I change the background of my Upage to a picture?--Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 21:29, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

@Thegooduser: I don't think if I've ever seen that. Do you know of a user's page that does this?

The only thing I can think of would be to put a wide picture at the top of the user page. I think there might be some format for that, but I have no idea what it would be. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:41, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

@Ian.thomson: Thegooduser might be telling of a page like this . Kpgjhpjm 03:23, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Ah, ok, so it'd be whatever Jon_Kolbert did at User:Jon_Kolbert/background. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:45, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

'Attribution-Non Commercial-No Derivatives.' Ok for uploading image to WIkimedia Commons?

Hi,

I contacted a flickr member to ask if he would provide a copyright free image I needed for an article. I asked for Public Domain (CCO) and he responded that it was ok to use the image and he set it to 'Attribution-Non Commercial-No Derivatives. I don't think that is an attribution that Wikicommons will accept. Please advise MauraWen (talk) 22:37, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello MauraWen and welcome to the Teahouse.

Yes, you are correct. That is not one of the licenses compatible with use on Wikipedia. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:53, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

need to update my user profile as paid!

where do i update my user profile with the below content?

{{Connected contributor (paid)|User1=Username of the paid editor|U1-employer=Name of person/organization that is paying for the edits|U1-client= Name of client|U1-otherlinks=Insert diff to disclosure on your User page.}} — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thehappyworkaholic (talk • contribs) 19:09, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

The top of your user page should do. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 19:30, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello Thehappyworkaholic and welcome to the Teahouse.

Thank you for disclosing your paid editing status.

On your user page (we usually dislike calling them "profiles"), you would use the {{Paid}} template as your disclosure.

The {{Connected contributor (paid)}} template belongs on the talk page of articles you edit and the U1-otherlinks parameter should be a diff URL pointing to the edit in which you made the disclosure. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:04, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Question about Source from IAD

I found a website which mainly focus on the violence against adolescence's disobey: Yang Yongxin and Yuzhang Academy. They said that because shortage of money, the website will be closed and because of their sensitive contents, the source is easily shut down. I wonder if they can be realiable source? Could someone use the source to write Yang Yongxin page? Thank you! IAD Homepage
(In my opinion, what they did is extreme and effictive adultism rather than mistreatment of Internet addiction disorder since Yang and Yuzhang Academy's goal is forcing adolescence to be mild at any rate) Mariogoods (talk) 02:09, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

@Alex Shih: GMG^talk 12:42, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping, GreenMeansGo. And sorry, Mariogoods. The IAD home page is not a reliable source, as the content is entirely user-generated as far I can see. And what you are trying to do is dangerously close to righting great wrongs, which is not what Wikipedia is about despite of your positive intentions. The subject of Yang Yongxin appears to have significant coverage in Chinese media ([1]), so finding proper reliable sources to improve the current entry should not be difficult. Let me know if you have further questions. Alex Shih (talk) 14:01, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

I found that every content in the website has noted the original source. Then I wonder if the original sources (such as 触乐网,新京报) could be used. (In my opinion, those who support him (They are called "Water Army" by the oppositers) should have a place too even I disagree him. By the way, "Yang Yongxin" has been cercored by Baidu Tieba and even picture about him will be cercored according to some net citizens' report)@Alex Shih:Mariogoods (talk) 00:09, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

definition of COI

I'm probably too experienced to be asking a question here, but I don't know where else to ask this.

Would I be considered as having a conflict of interest if I am first cousins with a co-writer and niece to a co-producer of a film? -A lad insane (Channel 2) 18:23, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

In this case, I think it depends on what you're trying to add to the article(s). If the material is relevant, neutral in tone and properly sourced, since the relationship is as you explain, I doubt anyone will make a charge of COI. I see you've been editing since early 2016, although mostly on talk pages. What makes you think you're inexperienced? TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:32, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Okay thanks :)
but I can't figure out where you got the last bit. Are you referring to the fact that this forum is usually questions from relatively inexperienced editors, or did you misread? (and thanks for ignoring my first three edits, they're awful :) ) -A lad insane (Channel 2) 18:40, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

I did misread - I somehow saw "inexperienced". My bad. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:37, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Advice on Uploading an Image

Hello Teahouse Editors:

I make images in my travels and have uploaded some that are appropriate for various Wikipedia topics. I have two that I have not uploaded to Wikimedia Commons yet, where I could use your advice on whether putting these two images into the public domain is appropriate.

Image 1: I took a quick image of a public stature in the streets of Paris and there happened to be a young child about 3 or 4 beside the statue who was pointing to the statue. From a photographic perspective, it is a good image and the child's active interaction with the static stature adds a dynamic element to the picture. However, I do not have written permission from the child's parents to use this image for publication and, in general, tend to avoid uploading any of my images with recognizable people, especially children. However, the image was taken in 2004, so this child is now a young adult and she should not be recognizable from the image, except and only maybe, by herself or her family. The image would be a good addition to the Wikipedia topic. My personal thoughts are that I should leave this image to collect digital dust on one of my external hard drives and not upload the image, but am interested in your opinion.

Image 2: This second image is of a young performance artist taken in the street (public space) that I am considering uploading for a Wikimedia Commons Photo Challenge competition. The image was taken in 2006, so this person would now be in around thirty. In addition, the street performer is also in costume. Both factors contribute to this person being less recognizable. Also, if you are performing in the street, there is not an expectation that an image would be private. I am inclined to upload this image but again, would be interested in your further opinion.

I only send you my dilemmas...

--GRDN711 (talk) 16:14, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure. The European Union has laws (I think) stating that you have no have consent from everyone in the picture, and the first picture (don't know about the other one) was taken in the EU. However, the pictures were before that law came into effect and Wikimedia Commons isn't a EU thing, if we complied with their laws we'd also have to comply with China's rules and remove anything negative about Xi Jinping. So if I had to guess I would say they are okay to upload, but I'm not even close to being an expert in this so don't use this as sole advice. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 18:19, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

@GRDN711: This table on the Commons might be helpful. It's possible it's out of date, though. I didn't realise this was a part of GDPR, but there's some discussion of that e.g. here. You might like to ask at the Commons help desk or search the archives there. I'd be interested to hear what you find out. › Mortee _talk 00:52, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Advice on new biography

I want to write a biography of my father, Felix De Cola, born Felix Mendelssohn Ginsburg 1906-1984 and i want guidance - wikipedia has a long article on bios of LIVING people.Lee De Cola (talk) 03:15, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi Ldecola. First thing I'm going to suggest is that you take a look at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest (particuclarly the section "Writing about yourself, family, friends"), Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide and also Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. The first two pages is important because Wikpedia is going to consider you to have a conflict of interest with respect to your father. Wikipedia doesn't expressly prohibit COI editing, but it does highly discourage it because it can sometimes lead to serious issues. The Wikipedia community has established certain guidelines that it encourages COI editors to follow, and those first two pages contain information on these guidelines. The other page is an essay about some potential problems related to trying to write an article about yourself or someone you know. Everyone seems to assume that there's no downside to having a Wikipedia article written about them, but what they don't realize is that an article is not like a personal website where they have complete and total editorial control over what's written.

If after looking through those pages, you still feel an article should be written and that you want to give it a try, then please look at Wikipedia:Notability (people). Bascially, what is utimately going to determine whether a Wikipedia article should be written about a paarticular subject is going to be whether said subject is considered to be Wikipedia notable. Wikipedia's defines notability is its own way, and this definition might differ to how you define the word. Bascially, you're going have to show that your father has received significant coverage in reliable sources for any article written about him to avoid being deleted. There are specific guidelines for academics, musicians, athletes, writers, actors, etc., but basically they all require some specific criteria be met for Wikipedia notability to be established. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:34, 10 August 2018 (UTC)