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HMAS Supply (A 195) moved to draftspace

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GCStJ

Thanks for cleaning up my GCStJ list. I didn't put them in exact chronological order because I was trying to follow the order of precedence used within the Order it can be seen here and first lists the great officers (and former great officers) then the Bailiffs and Dames Grand Cross by Order of appointment. There are currently 36 (or, at least there were in January last when the current list was put on-line). Do you think we should stick with their order or try to find dates for chronology? --dave-- 06:51, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

All of the lists for the first grade of British and commonwealth orders on WP are kept in order of date of appointment, regardless of their statuses within the various orders. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 07:33, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

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Awards not listed on Aus GG's website

Hello. Just wondering if you would know. For awards not mentioned on the Australian Governor general's website, (1953 coronation honours (Australia) as an example) would it be appropriate to look in the Australian Government gazette around the time or would the list be co-mingled in the London/UK Gazette? If you understand what I mean. Ikayla965 (talk) 20:41, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Depending on the circumstances of the day, it will have been mentioned in both. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 14:45, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

= March 2019

Hello! About the List of the Knights Grand Cross article, I put there the source that GCB was given in 2010 to the Emir of Qatar, the link comes from the UK Goverment site, so why its not correct? Jibco (talk) 15:59, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

I'll have to admit I was wrong here. I misread the article title. His father 'Khalifa bin Hamad Al Thani' who was also the Emir of Qatar was awarded the GCB in 1976. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 05:56, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

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Reverts

Yeah, peerage does comes forward and has a higher precedence than knighthood, someone should discuss about including both peerage and knighthood. Per WP:HONORIFICS, knighted men/women are to be called Sir/Dame, peerage is present in over it and I believe inclusion of the honorific prefix should get included per that guideline. Give some opinions and point me to some guidelines as I have still to read most of them 2401:4900:1803:7BD1:1:1:615F:9119 (talk) 07:23, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

2401:4900:1803:7BD1:1:1:615F:9119 People awarded either a knigthood or a damehood are fully entitled to use the Sir/Dame prefix, however, once the recipient is awarded a peerage the use of the Sir/Dame prefix stops in lieu of the 'Right Honourable' prefix. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 09:51, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue CLXI, September 2019

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s's

Re your recent reverts: I have been taught this way, but I have consulted the internet and it appears there is no such a thing as "correct use" here. Can you prove me wrong on this one?--R8R (talk) 20:59, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

• 's is used to indicate plural subjects whereas s' is used to indicate a possessive nature of the work of the subject. I hope that clears it up. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 21:05, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

  Mind if I ask you where exactly this information comes from? In my case, I can point to a specific language book. That aside, I have found the relevant piece of MOS and it says my version was correct. There is sometimes room for interpretation which would make it reasonable to have some discussion and coming to a consensus, but this doesn't appear to be the case, so I'll reinstate "s's" unless you can give a good reason not to.--R8R (talk) 21:11, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

I should point out that it was reverted in the review. I don't agree with your aggressive manner, so I'll just not approve the next review and leave it for another editor to do, which I think is reasonable for all concerned. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 21:20, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

I don't agree with your manner, either, but this won't get us anywhere. Look, let's consider this again, there is the MOS, and I want to bring an article in accordance with it, and I'm giving you an opportunity not show me I am wrong (as you can see, I did not reinstate the house style immediately upon my discovery thereof) and you're saying I'm being aggressive. Let's have a civilized discussion here. Do you have anything against my logic here? If yes, what would that be?--R8R (talk) 21:32, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

It's been a week and I've patiently waited for you to say anything.

I'll try to sum up what I have seen during the exchange of ours. So I have made an edit in accordance of my understanding of the English grammar; I was taught that fairly early in my study of the English language and I remembered the rule I was given well. Then my edit was not just undone, which would have been a normal thing in occurrence between editors, but rather had my edit rejected by a review of pending changes. I have been on Wikipedia long enough to know the basics of it: review of pending changes exists to remove edits that are obviously bad. Having my edit rejected in a review, naturally, irritated me, as my edit was clearly made in good faith. I quickly looked up the issue on the internet to see if I was wrong and it turned out there were different standards of writing this. I have asked you politely about your rationale, pointing out what I have learned about multiple standards of doing this. In your response, you completely ignored my mention of the bit on multiple standards and stuck to yours.

This, naturally, irritated me even more, and I went ahead to check the MOS, and I found a ruling there, which precisely supports my edit. I did not expect you to actually oppose enforcement of MOS in any way; I understood you had made a mistake but I assumed you'd leave it at that. I told you I was going to do what MOS says but since it would be impolite not to allow you to have a say on this, I didn't do it right off the bat and left you some time to leave a comment (which I presumed you wouldn't take to stop me). In response to that, you said it should be pointed out that my edit was reverted in a review and that my manner was aggressive and you wouldn't allow me to make the change (per what MOS suggests!) and you'd even revert me if I tried (!), saying it was not up for me. Naturally, this irritated me even more still. What I thought was that you couldn't accept it that you had made a mistake so much that you'd even use this small leverage over me you have just not to admit it yourself. And you said you thought that was reasonable!

However, I know from experience that pointing that out wouldn't help much; I just wanted the change made, and I didn't want to ask a third party to satisfy what I, to be frank, considered your neediness, and so I acted in the best spirit of WP:GF (I didn't find a way to think positively of your response, so I acted as if I had not made a judgment at all) and invited you for a dialogue. If that's my "aggressive manner" that's wrong, I thought, a calm discussion would surely allow to get it past this judgment, since I had the rules on my side, and so I asked you politely to engage in a discussion. A week has passed, and you've kept quiet, even though I've seen in your contributions you were active on a few days. What this looks like is that you simply can't accept you were wrong.

I really wonder you said that you, quote, "should point out that it was reverted in the review." I thought that you were just showing off that you can do something I cannot and thus acting as if your opinion mattered more, since somebody had bestowed the reviewing rights on you. I did not act upon that thought either. But what I did do is, I took the hint that you were a reviewer and read Wikipedia:Reviewing pending changes, which, as I have discovered, says that for a reviewer, "in general, there are three options: [...] If you intend to ultimately revert the changes, then you may do so from the reviewing interface with an appropriate explanation, but as for all reverts they must be supported by policy (emphasis added)." I also noticed that while you rejected my edit, you did not accept the previous edit which did not touch the issue why you did not accept the edit in question. It looks like it was overlooked. What should one think of your reviewing on this occasion? I wouldn't be asking this question if you yourself had not specifically pointed out this was in a review.

I will now reinstate the two edits. I will consider it most unreasonable on your part if you reject them again.

And this wall of text would not be worth writing if it was not for the question that I'm leading to. Do you think you're generally a good reviewer? I will immediately point out that I don't know the answer to this question, and I'm not trying to imply I do. My impression so far, as you can judge, has been starkly negative, but it could well be that you had a bad day, and so it could very well be that it's just a one-off thing. And it could be that it isn't. Why it matters is that I've seen some fine people leave Wikipedia, who said they were to tired of this because the place was broken, and that the Wiki bureaucracy was making editing and participation unbearable, that people in it could do whatever they wished and that there was no way they'd listen. I have seen an editor who has greatly inspired me to write better articles leave for that very reason. Do you think that actions like yours in this case help reinstate this idea in their heads? Do you think anything is to be done about that? Do you think it would be a good idea to admit you were wrong, and it would have been an even better idea to reinstate MOS back a week ago yourself? You do have special privileges, responsibility comes with that.

I am capable of self-reflection. I do realize that I should not have been that pushy about reinstating the apostrophe rule all that quickly. I was really irritated, and that's why I wanted to get things right there and then, but being irritated is not an excuse for anything. I admit that. Do you have anything to admit?

P.S. I will watch your talk page for a few more days to see if I get any response from you; if you reply later than, say, Wednesday, please ping me just in case. However, if you do write a reply, I'd like you very much to respond to those questions I raised in the paragraph starting with "and this wall of text."

P.P.S. Naturally, if when I said "I thought" or "looks like" I saw a thing that was not there, I'm open to comments and corrections, bearing in mind the previous note.--R8R (talk) 22:15, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

R8R I believe I can see the misinterpretation to what I said because I can see that I didn't type it clearly.

When I said "so I'll just not approve the next review and leave it for another editor to do" I meant that you can revert my revert and I'll neither approve or disapprove the edit and leave it for another editor to approve or disapprove at their discretion. I figured that's a reasonable course of action for all because I've seen it happen before. I don't agree with the placement of the apostrophe, but that's fine because I don't have a PHD in literacy, so I am always open to discussion, which leads back to why leaving it for another reviewer to decide on was, I believed, was the easiest for us both. Correct me if I am wrong of course.

I always assume good faith, and likewise, expect the same when reviewing (which is why I mentioned it) because the review interface isn't as clearcut and there are only two options not three, articles that require review are also generally tagged for 'Persistent vandalism'. My lack of response was simply due to how busy I have been, I don't use Wiki too often and at present being an Australian politician and a wiki editor usually clashes timewise often. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 23:20, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Glad to learn it was just a misinterpretation. Thank you for letting me know.

There are things that I dislike about Wiki rules, too. I don't like that logical punctuation does not have an alternative in the MOS, and I particularly dislike WP:ALUM. However, these are the house rules here, and I follow them as much as I disagree with them. You've surely heard the proverb, "when in Rome, do as the Romans do."

If you're the kind of politician who does public debates, I hope you'll be able to use this little encounter of ours to learn a lesson from it for your future disputes.--R8R (talk) 20:12, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

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Ribbons and medals – Photographs or created images?

To enhance Queensland Honours and explain the awards and honours at Katarina Carroll, do you create SVGs etc. from a photograph? Was going to add several (as photographs) but may look better as specifically created images.

And what should be a standard heading: Honours, Honours and awards, Awards and honours? There is some variation looking at various pages.

Thank you, Q8682 (talk) 09:19, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Hey Q8682, So for something like that check out Bob Atkinson (police officer), that's an article I created. On that page, the top representation is referred to by some wiki editors as "ribbon farms", and the bottom is a far more detailed and standard layout. You can find all those images at Australian honours system. When I create ribbon bars I use Microsoft Paint, only because it's a very simple way to make the ribbons. If you're looking at making the ribbon bars, I'd recommend using this as a base for size , and also using two tones which gives for a more pleasing image at the end.

By virtue of honours generally being higher than awards, I'd recommend 'Honours and Awards'. I hope all of that helps. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 02:50, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! Finally done. Did in PowerPoint (the base square is the ridges, and 15 darker lines overlaying), and then into Paint to save. – Q8682 (talk) 12:20, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

       

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HMAS Newcastle (FFG 06)

Hi. Do you have a source for this "update"? If so, would an article name change be in order?   — Jeff G. ツ 13:32, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Hey Jeff, check out [1]. I doubt the article needs to be renamed, but I have no opinion on it either way.Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 14:51, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, please consider adding it to the article.   — Jeff G. ツ 22:35, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

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NUSHIP Supply

I have undeleted and added to draft:HMAS Supply (A 195) which you created some time ago, but must have gotten busy in real life. Could you please look over my additions and update if there is more newer stuff that should be added? Thanks, --Scott Davis ^Talk 13:19, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Scott Davis Sorry for the extrmemly late reply. The additions look good! Following their facebook page it looks like Supply is due to arrive in Aus this year. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 09:44, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

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Which title best defines the SCOPE for the American Revolutionary War?
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A. "American Revolutionary War”

B. "War of the American Revolution"

continuity - used at this WP article and sister articles for 19 years - scope - British-American insurrection in continental North America - participants British & US Congress with respective allies, auxiliaries & combatants - war aims -- Brit: maintain First British Empire with mercantile system -- US: independence, British evacuation, territory to Mississippi-navigation, Newfoundland Banks - fish & cure - results - US independence & republic; Britain the biggest US trade partner & finances US expanding business & Treasury - reliable scholarly reference Britannica for the general reader - prominent adherents - all 15 history Pulitzer winner scholars on the topic

modern update - uses 'vast majority of sources' found in a browser search - scope - British-American insurrection in continental North America, spread to Anglo-Bourbon (Fr.&Sp.) War-across worldwide empires, Fourth Anglo-Dutch War-North Atlantic, Second Mysore War-Indian subcontinent & Ocean - participants British & US Congress, France, Spain, Dutch Republic, Kingdom of Mysore - war aims -- Brit: maintain First British Empire with mercantile system -- US independence, British evacuation, territory to Mississippi-navigation, Newfoundland Banks - fish & cure -- Bourbons: Gibraltar, Jamaica, Majorca, expand Gambia trade, expand India trade -- Dutch - free trade with North America & Caribbean -- Mysore wider east-Indian sub-continent sphere of influenced results - Second British Empire, Spanish Majorca, French Gambia, further decline of Dutch Republic - reliable scholarly reference [world military dictionary] for the military specialist - prominent adherents - Michael Clodfelter, more to follow

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Honours list

There is no Wikipedia policy prohibiting any sort of discussion on an honours list page. In this case, the media articles spoke to the recipient who confirmed he was offered the award on this list and declined it. I don't see why the fact the award was declined (for this specific list) couldn't be included. It is the most appropriate page. Please don't change it again. Deus et lex (talk) 04:14, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

It’s generally inappropriate to move a discussion around. You only need to respond under my message on your talk page, not move it. None of this addresses what I said to you. You’d need to gain consensus to keep it there. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 04:20, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

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Please do not add or change content, as you did at Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. DrKay (talk) 06:16, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

DrKay The reference clearly stated the change and you know it, don't get butt hurt just because you didn't read it properly. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 22:35, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

No, the source didn't say what you wrote. It said what I wrote. It is not I who needs to read more carefully. DrKay (talk) 04:58, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

DrKay I'm going to assume since you're crusading to keep it off that specific article you're either unaware of how peerages work, anti-Camilla or just plain ignorant. Keep up the good fight, Doctor. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 23:39, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

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RAN Naval ensign

Cooee Nford, I understand that you reverted my change because no explanation was given. So I'll try to hammer out my thoughts on why I did this change. Firstly, I did it for my initial reason, which was standardisation, as both the Royal Navy and USN pages don't include their previous ensigns in the box (though the RN does have an addendum for their previous naval ensigns, which can be added if you want). Secondly, the Australian White Ensign (which is the redirect for the Naval Ensign) notes that the British ensign was previously used between the period of federation and 1967; this is easy to reach and doesn't really warrant duplication. These two are my main reasons for the removal of the british ensign (plus other smaller reasons that I won't bore you with), which I could've definitely communicated better about. Sorry and Thanks North Ford (24th Ford? What the hell, I'll just call you Nord (:!). IronBattalion (talk) 10:36, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

IronBattalion Thankyou for the explanation! I can't argue with that logic, even if I don't fully agree, but I your reasoning is sound. 24th Ford is pretty accurate haha, It's my old college username on their intranet. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 00:34, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

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Monarchy of Australia

Howdy, the addition I reverted, should be placed in the Australian head of state dispute article. GoodDay (talk) 21:39, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

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About 2022 Political Honours - nothing to WP:A10 speedy delete because or even WP:REDIRECT to

@OGBC1992, Mr. D. E. Mophon, Wellyboynz, Edwardx, Moondragon21, and Nford24: I can see that no article of the name 2022 Special Honours & 2022 Prime Minister's Resignation Honours, 2022 Political Honours List, as well as Political Honours List and Political Honours has ever been created. User:Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 09:44, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

User:Shirt58 2022 Special Honours and 2022 Prime Minister's Resignation Honours does exist? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.92.25 (talk) 15:19, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

User:Shirt58 my mistake, I didn't realise you had to do them separately. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 06:19, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

No problem! As 220.245.92.25 pointed out, I may have also misunderstood what this was all about. --User:Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 09:27, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

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Coat of Arms

Hey, I noticed you reverted my edit. I'm totally fine with (I'm not that well versed with the history of Australia, so I'll always defer to other judgement), so I don't mean to ask this as a kind of retort... But just out of genuine curiousity, why is that file the correct version to use in that instance? Leventio (talk) 21:13, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Leventio Between 1901-1952 the Tudor crown was used on all Australian badges and coats of arms including the Australian shield, between 1952-2023 we used the St Edwards crown. Next year as part of the coronation we'll be reverting back to using the Tudor Crown (According to the Governor-Generals office anyway). Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 23:42, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Ah I see, I didn't even notice the Crowns were changed! Anywho, thanks for the response and happy editing! Leventio (talk) 04:58, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

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