Template talk:Infobox venue/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Help

Hi, I'm trying to use this template at Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena but it not coming out as expected. Can I get a hand? ccwaters 21:09, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Dimensions

Ok, somehow, somebody messed up the dimensions part of the template. Any use of the dimensions attribute messes up the page that is using it. For example, see Fenway Park and Wrigley Field.--NMajdan•talk 19:14, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Do not remove coordinates

Please do not remove the coordinates setting from this infobox for the following reasons

1. This is the standar way that coordinates show up for other infoboxes.

2. The coordinates in the infobox work differenlt ythan the coordinates that (now) show up on the sports arena pages. They pull up better links.

3. Nobody cared about coordinates until i added this and nobody contacted me before adding the coordinates the other way. I have spent 5 days of my life working on this and strongly feel I should have been consulted.

Somebody has found a way to add coordinates to the sports arena pages without leaving a trail. If you know who it is and how they did it please contact me on my discussion page. --Dr who1975 01:38, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

• If I understand you correctly, the template you are looking for is Template:Coor title dms. PETCO Park has the template tag near the bottom of the page, next to the Template:MLB tag. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 02:29, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Nickname

Is directly below the image (if there is one) the best place to display the nickname? Having just visited the St. James' Park page, at first glance I thought "Sid James' Park" was vandalism. I'd prefer it if it was positioned properly in the infobox. - Dudesleeper 01:06, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually the nickname is supposed to be under the real name. Gateman1997 07:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

My mistake - that's where it is. Is there a particular reason it's not in amongst the other fields in the template? - Dudesleeper 12:51, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I believe it's because the "nicknames" are often as important and as used if not more so then the actual name of the venue's. For instance San Francisco's Monster Park is very rarely referred to as Monster Park but rather Candlestick Park. It's important that things like that are at the top so users searching for Candlestick or similar stadiums don't get confused. Gateman1997 23:22, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Coordinate text change

Anyone have any objections to changing the display text from 'Global Coordinates' to 'Coordinates'? This would make it the same/similar to Airport Infobox, London station Infobox, Protected area Infobox, the coor title series of templates, etc.

It would also prevent this label from wrapping when there isn't an image in the infobox. (although the coords themselves will still wrap)

-Nosilleg 01:27, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I have now made this change. -Nosilleg 10:49, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Seating Capacity

Seating capacity can bee added.

Also, can this field be center aligned? It looks odd when you have a large field just for this one attribute and it it left aligned with a lot of whitespace next to it (especially when the heading is center aligned).--NMajdan•talk 19:15, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I concur, the capacity and tenants fields should be centre-aligned. I made this change but someone changed it back ChrisTheDude 15:40, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. Other then the heading the entire template is left aligned, not center. Gateman1997 09:25, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I still think seating capacity should be center aligned. The number takes up such a small space in the row that having it left aligned just looks bad.↔NMajdan•talk 13:44, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I've seen some articles that use dated seating capacity (over multiple lines) showing how the venue has grown over time. These would probably look very bad centre aligned. -Nosilleg 19:05, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

In addition most of the infoboxes that use this template also contain both tennants and in baseball's case distances both of which would also look silly center aligned. This template is a completely left aligned piece. It makes little sense for one section that only occasionally looks good center aligned to be so. Gateman1997 22:03, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Image and caption

The test I just did was to weed out the annoying space between the image and caption. Done now. - Dudesleeper · Talk 00:53, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Ive noticed that recently (in IE at least) that all stadium captions seem to be appearing on the same line as the image, and not underneath. On checking the template it seems you recently made a change and this is probably the cause. I've reverted it but it has seemed to not have an effect. Can you please take a look at it --Cunners 19:22, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Further to this, I just edited an article which uses this infobox, and once saved, now appears correctly. Check Fenway Park which has not yet been edited to see what I mean about the text, hopefully fixed after the revert i did. --Cunners 19:31, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Just a question. Why are we captioning the images? I think it's implicitly assumed that the image is of the stadium the article and infobox are referring to. Gateman1997 06:23, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

What was going on? All the articles I looked at had the image duplicated and {{#if:| showing in the left of them. I reverted back a bit and that seems to have fixed it. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 11:08, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

That still seems to be happening in IE7. In IE6 the caption was to the right of the image, after the line break was removed by Dudesleeper. He has now put it back in and is making a bit of a mess of hundreds of pages which use this template. In IE7 it is still broken. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cunners (talk • contribs) 18:04, 9 March 2007 (UTC).

• If this continues to be a problem, I suggest we use the same code for the image and caption as a template like Template:Infobox actor (assuming it does not have this problem). Zzyzx11 (Talk) 01:11, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I've fixed it again now. As far as I can see there is no issue in either Firefox or IE, I don't know what the "annoying space between the image and caption" even refers to as both seem totally fine. There's no need to change it at all. --Cunners 01:16, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Oops, sorry - didn't know there was a thread about this. The "annoying space" I was referring to is visible here. - Dudesleeper · Talk 15:21, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

It looks like there was a problem with the Ibrox Stadium article itself. I believe I corrected it. Thanks. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 15:34, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Sponsored v. Unsponsored names

With more and more stadiums having corporate names which can't be used in FIFA and other events, shouldn't there be a part of the infobox that is something like unsponsored name or something like that? XinJeisan 16:19, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Construction cost

Bah! I tried to add the missing (?) construction cost field to the code and it didn't work. Could someone who knows templates better take a shot at it? Never mind, I just didn't update my browser. Hoof Hearted 19:18, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Merger 2

I noticed that Template:Infobox Arena has a lot of overlap. This template should cover them both. Hoof Hearted 18:10, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Blank line

There's some whitespace at the top of each article containing the infobox. Would appreciate someone looking into it. - Dudesleeper · Talk 00:22, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorted now. Gracias. - Dudesleeper · Talk 11:13, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Operator vs. Owner

What is the difference between the operator and owner? MicroX 22:14, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Merger

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

The result was merge into {{Infobox Stadium}}. –Dream out loud (talk) 00:12, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure who suggested the merger but I seem to be the first person to discuss it... so:

• Merge - it is effectively the same infobox, just under a different name. Any anomalous fields can quite easily be rectified. DJR (T) 15:19, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
• Merge - per Djr_xi --Iliaskarim 04:07, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
• Merge - what's happening with this? Andy Mabbett 14:42, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Since this has been tagged for almost a year, and there is no objection as far as I can see, I consider this issue closed and resolved. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 01:18, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. Good work, but there are still a number of templates using {{Football stadium}} ([1]). Do we need a bot to convert them? Andy Mabbett 11:16, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Eventually, but for now, Template:Football stadium is tagged as {{tdeprecated}} and is itself using Template:Infobox Stadium as a meta-template. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 11:37, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi! I'd be able to convert these using a semi-automated script... would anyone have any objections to this? Gracenotes^T § 18:06, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Problem with Infobox

Certain information in the infobox such as services engineer does not appear on the article after filling in the information on the edit page.Tbo 157 21:42, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Mixed with NRHP Infobox

The Rose Bowl (stadium) is using this infobox along with Template:Infobox_nrhp for the National Register of Historic places in the United States. They are different widths, but they are not mutually exclusive. I actually moved the NRHP inside the stadium infobox in this case. I am not sure that is the best way. Any suggestions? Group29 20:06, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

There are a number of articles that have multiple infoboxes, but there are each put in a different section. For example, the Arnold Schwarzenegger article currently has Template:Infobox Governor in the lead introduction section, Template:Infobox bodybuilder in the Bodybuilding career section, and Template:Infobox actor in the Acting career. Hope this helps. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 01:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Project manager error

When a project manager is included, it appears twice in the infobox. Does anyone know how to fix this? --MicroX 02:10, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Because it was coded in twice on the template, so I removed one of them. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 03:48, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Events hosted section

I think there should be an events hosted section on the template to show what events the stadium has hosted. --MicroX 15:30, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Record Crowd

I think Record Crowd would be a useful addition to this template.--Rulesfan 05:06, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Personally I think such info is better suited to the articlespace itself. Gateman1997 06:51, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Why not? BlueAg09 (Talk) 00:17, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

"Dimensions" vagueness

Your documentation instructions give people adding this template some guidance as to what you are looking for. But the readers of the articles are given no such clue. Since the articles are about stadiums, couldn't you make it clear that these are not the dimensions of the stadium but rather of the playing field, using something along the lines of "Playing field" "Field dimensions", finding some wording sufficiently generic ("pitch" is too sport-specific, for example). Gene Nygaard (talk) 15:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I changed the label to "Field Dimensions" for now. Will that work? Zzyzx11 (Talk) 16:28, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Caption

There is a minor problem with this template of the image caption not appreaing when completed in template call. Looks like a mis-placed vertical bar - but as it is a much used template would appreciate if someone more familiar with the template took a look.

I also noted that the field is not mentioned in the documentation. Keith D (talk) 13:42, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Good catch. Fixed. Doc still needs updating, though to be honest I think it needs an overhaul. Chris Cunningham (talk) 14:03, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Only partial fix - I think you need to delete the pipe later on in the line you changed. Keith D (talk) 14:15, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Done. Can you point out a page which indicates the problem, should there be anything else that goes wrong? Looked alright last time after a quick check of a random article which used it. Cheers. Chris Cunningham (talk) 14:19, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

It came up as the result of a GA comment on KitKat Crescent‎. It appears to be working now on that article. Many thanks. Keith D (talk) 14:52, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Suggested additions

I have several: scoreboard (a description), parking (a number), luxury suites(a number), website. Alaney2k (talk) 15:47, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Dimensions

Could the text generated by this offer some cultural/regional variations? In association football articles in English English, the word "pitch" would be used in place of "field". --Dweller (talk) 15:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

The current wording is the result of what was discussed above on the #"Dimensions" vagueness section above. I am willing to add a parser fuction, but only if someone or a bot will go through every article listed on Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Infobox Stadium that is football (soccer) stadium. Otherwise these articles will be inconsistent. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 05:32, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

That's a great idea. I'm a little concerned though about different applications around the world - for all I know fans of football in Australia or the US may still call it a field. I'll consult the football WikiProject and get back to you. Thanks. --Dweller (talk) 08:10, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I take it from the discussion on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#Football_.22field.22_or_football_.22pitch.22_.28again.29 that a suggested compromise is "Playing area". And no, User:Richard Rundle's assumption is incorrect:[2] Although I have made major edits to that template, it was created by User:RadicalBender,[3] who made it as a fork of another template he created. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 04:45, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that's certainly a workable compromise. My concern was whether that worked in other regional variations of English, but it's fine in English English across the spectrum of sport. --Dweller (talk) 11:36, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

What I want to know is: why is the dimensions field (field, as in databases!) centered, when all others are left-aligned? For instance, here it looks silly. --RFBailey (talk) 23:37, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree. It should not be centered. Looks really stupid with the rest left aligned. Also I know I'm late to the party, but I object to "playing area" and think it should be reverted to "dimensions". It just looks silly particularly for baseball parks. The dimensions of such parks are always refered to as "dimensions", not the playing area, as with baseball the playing area also includes the foul territory, not just fair (which dimensions covers). We either need to find a way to modify it to sport specific terms or heaven forbid go back to using separate infoboxes for individual sports. This will also help with regional variations, particularly in soccer where it's a "pitch" in the UK but may be a "field" in other countries like the US. Gateman1997 (talk) 00:19, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I've moved it back to left alignment with a similar setup to the rest of the template. Looks much better IMHO. Gateman1997 (talk) 00:27, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

UEFA star rating!

Hi, I noticed most of you just put 4 or 5 pictures of a star in the "image" parameter.
Well, in the Hebrew Wikipedia someone wrote a parameter for that (it could either be 4 or 5). So I suggest that someone good with templates (not me, hehe) add a line for the star rating, and I will help replacing the images with the parameter. YemeniteCamel (talk) 20:53, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Alternate parameter names

Is it necessary to have alternate parameter names for "stadium_name" and seating_capacity"? They were added here and here It seems to me it just adds inconsistency to the template. Thoughts? VerruckteDan (talk) 14:42, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Templates should be easy to use. Parameter names should be as intuitive as possible. It adds only a small amount of complexity to the template for the sake of making it considerably easier to add an infobox to an article without having to look at the documentation. I wouldn't have added them if I didn't think I'd be using them (and indeed already have). Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 14:59, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Moving to {{infobox}}

I've migrated this template to use the {{infobox}} base template for the sake of having consistent, uniform appearance of project infoboxen. Any problems, please let me know. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 16:09, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

I made this edit, because the stadium name was enclosed inside the borders of the table prior to the conversion.[4] I cannot remember exactly why it was like that in the first place. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 16:23, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

New 'tenants' format

New layout

Docklands Stadium
Telstra Dome (The Dome, The Phone Dome)
Location	Docklands, Melbourne
Broke ground	1996
Opened	2000
Owner	James Fielding Funds Management
Operator	Melbourne Stadiums Limited Access One
Surface	Grass
Construction cost	$250 million AUD
Architect	Daryl Jackson Architects Hok Sport Architecture Bligh Lobb Sports Architecture Pty Ltd
Former names	Colonial Stadium Victoria Stadium
Capacity	53,355 (oval) 56,347 (rectangular)
Tenants
Club	Years
Carlton (AFL) Essendon (AFL) Kangaroos (AFL) St. Kilda (AFL) Western Bulldogs (AFL) Melbourne Victory (A-League) Melbourne Storm (NRL)	2005-present 2000-present 2000-present 2000-present 2000-present 2006-present 2001

I've been working on an alternate way to display tenants. As an example, compare the Infobox to the right, to the existing one at Docklands Stadium. You will see the new one takes up a lot less vertical space. The main thing that could use improving is the spacing of the columns - either just to use different widths to the columns in the main part of the infobox, or to use three columns (club, league and years). All suggestions welcome! -- Chuq (talk) 09:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

The great thing about {{infobox}} is that it makes changes like this trivial. I've implemented this in a simple way, allowing the tenants list to remain free-form. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 18:28, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

...And I've now updated it to optionally use your parameters too. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 18:56, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Flags, years

Hi, what's the current consensus regarding the usage of flags for countries listed in the Location parameter and regarding the linking of years of construction (built parameter)? --Eleassar ^{my talk} 13:04, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Title text, mandatory attributes

A couple of layout changes were recently reverted. I'd like to re-add them.

1. The title text in an {{infobox}} belongs outside the infobox, in the title attribute. Currently, we're misusing the above attribute for this purpose (primarily because with the old table code this was easier to implement). We should go with the most semantically-sound choice of attributes.
2. Mandatory attributes are discouraged by the manual of style for infoboxen. Currently this template has several. We should remove these, which lowers the barriers to adding a new infobox to a fledgeling article and doesn't result in visibly broken code if an attribute is accidentally or deliberately omitted.

Both changes are really straightforward. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 15:33, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Concerning point #1: Template:Infobox/doc#Title currently says "There are two different ways to put a title on an infobox". Therefore, I do not understand how, as you say, "we're misusing the above attribute for this purpose" when both title and above are acceptable.

Are you objecting to passing two attributes, {{{stadium name}}} and {{{nickname}}} into the {{{above}}} attribute of {{infobox}}}? Where does it say that on Template:Infobox/doc, Template talk:Infobox, or any other page? Please explain. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 16:09, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, there are two different ways. However, given that one is called title, one would suggest that this would be the most logical choice for, like, the title field. One would hope that if this were consistently applied, then in the future, once most infoboxen followed said precedent, the documentation could be updated. The alternative is simply to have a random mish-mash depending on the whim of whoever codes each infobox.

And it's obviously neater to have a 1:1 relationship between infobox components and variable attributes where possible. That one might be able to get away with doubling up on attribs does not mean that one should when there's an easy and logical way to avoid it. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 20:30, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I do not foresee a time when most infoboxen will follow that precedent as long as there are many templates out there like Template:Infobox Monarch, Template:Infobox Supernova, Template:Infobox Economy who use the abovestyle attribute to display the above text inside a color banner.

Also, after thinking about the layout, I do prefer the title text inside the infobox table because it sort of acts as a defacto header or label for the nicknames text. When the title is outside the box, it appears that the nickname text is not grouped with any type of header or label, so it may not be obvious to the reader why the text is separated. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 21:29, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Few infoboxen use title colour to much effect. The project has been leaning away from such for years. While there may always be holdouts, that's not a reason to discard the title attribute entirely.

As for the nickname issue, all I can say is that the relationship seems clear enough to me. So we're down to aesthetic quibbling. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 00:34, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but the relationship may not be clear enough for other people, which I am concerned about. I would like a few more opinions from others before changing the design to this particular template. Just you and me arguing does not make a consensus to change you know. My other preference would have a "nicknames" header before the nicknames text as a compromise to state an obvious relationship. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 02:22, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Sure - that's why I brought it up here. Happy to hear from other editors on this issue, there's no great rush. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 07:51, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Just to chime in, I like it as is. The relationship between the title and the nickname is more apparent using the current design, and frankly aesthetically I've always liked the title in the box rather than outside. Gateman1997 (talk) 17:19, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

As an update here, I've once again moved the title text outside the infobox. over the last few months the footy infoboxen have gradually become standardised and most use the title attribute for title text. In addition, this allows the proper use of microformats with the title text, rather than resorting to using spans and suchlike. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 12:23, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Dual class names not working

It seems that entering titleclass = fn org (as sometimes required for the hCard microformat) does not work; it renders a class of "fn" (see [5]). Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 12:58, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

The recent fix has left the name of the stadium above the infobox itself. I doubt this was intentional, as infoboxes generally aren't set up that way. I'm not sure how to fix this, so I'll just revert the change if it isn't fixed by someone else fairly soon. Okiefromokla ^questions? 14:56, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I reverted back. Does the hCard microformat work now? If not, how can it be resolved? Zzyzx11 (Talk) 15:12, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Infoboxen are generally set up to have the title over the table itself (at least across much of the sport domain) - not only is this specifically catered for in the wikitable syntax, but it is the point of the title attribute in the {{infobox}} code. See most of Category:Football (soccer) infobox templates. As for the class being broken, I've verified that the class is being generated correctly by checking the page source; please check whether it's a problem with the tools being used to scrape the microformat. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 15:35, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

According to Template:Infobox, either way is acceptable. But I would say from my wiki travels that the majority of infoboxes do have the title of the article within the infobox to avoid visual conflicts with the text in the lead. I might argue that it looks better, too. I think that's what we should do here. Okiefromokla ^questions? 18:57, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Considering that many of the rest of the sport infoboxen use the new format, I think we should leave it for a while to see if it generates real resistance. I certainly believe that it's getting more common as templates migrate from raw HTML > wikitable markup > {{infobox}}. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 21:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

The category you provided was for soccer infoboxes only. If you take a look at Category:Sports infobox templates, you'll see that most of them have the title inside the box, as do the majority of other infoboxes. However, I'm not opposed to leaving it up to like this to see if anyone else has an opinion. Okiefromokla ^questions? 21:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Propose removing "address"

Can I suggest we remove the word "address" from the location guidelines ("Insert the venue's address, city, state/province, country"), since Wikipedia is not a directory. The location does not need to include the street number, street or postal/zip code. --Jameboy (talk) 18:08, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

I'd be fine with this. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 10:46, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Suites

Should be placed right under Capacity (if the suites data is used) in the infobox as suites are typically included in the number for the total capacity. As of right now, it appears to be at the very bottom of the infobox, even below Tenants, which is wrong. GauchoDude (talk) 20:04, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

• I can't figure out how to do this. Suites is listed as "suites" to boot, which makes it the only non-capitalized thing in the infobox and makes it look extremely amateur. GauchoDude (talk) 20:19, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
  • What are you trying to do again? Everything looks right to me. And I see "Suites" as the only capitalized parameter. How many articles use that parameter? It should be lowercase to go with all the other parameters.—NMajdan•talk 20:58, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Namesake

Would it be possible to add a field to show who the stadium may be named after? i.e. Bryant-Denny Stadium or Vaught-Hemingway Stadium. – Latics ^Talk! 23:50, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

This isn't really useful for comparative purposes, though. It's more a bit of flavour which belongs in the article body. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:41, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Tenants

I was wondering why the Tenants field seems to be non-optional. Some clubs like FC Copenhagen own their own stadium and can hardly be described as tenants. Am I using it wrong or could this be corrected? MartinDK 19:12, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

A tenent is anyone who inhabits a stadium. I may own my house but I'm also a tenant. Gateman1997 04:01, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for clearing that up for me. My confusion about this originates from the Leasehold estate article which seems to define a tenant as someone who leases a house or a piece of land but I understand that this is too narrow a definition of a tenant then. MartinDK 06:47, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Might want to change the header to "Home of" to be more clear to a worldwide audience. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 12:43, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

"Home of" is present progressive, and that does not allow for past tennants. Not only that but Home of is not propor grammar as it is missing an article for the stadium like "Home of the", which would not even work in all cases. Tennants works it just had a slight bit of confusion. --MJHankel 01:52, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Can't agree about the use of the word "tenant" for a club which owns the stadium playing there. "Tenant" implies they're paying rent to be there. "Home of", as suggested by Zzyzx11 seems good to me. (With "Former home of" etc. as necessary) - fchd 11:11, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I also disagree with the use of the word tenant. Surely there must be a word that describes this situation more accurately? "Home of" and "Former home of" may even be a better solution for the time being until someone can suggest something more accurate. If Tenant and Home of are both not ideal, then surely Home of is a more common term used when referring to stadiums and hence would read and be easier to understand. - Norms360 (talk) 00:11, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Tracks

I'm not entirely sure what to do about it as I've only used this template a handful of times, but I think a useful addition would be track details because in some stadiums, it's not what is in the middle but what goes around it that is of interest. Severo^TC 14:20, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

What kind of track details? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 08:54, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Length, material and what it's used for. Severo^TC 11:06, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Wouldn't that be best served by several attributes, rather than a generic "details"? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 13:16, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Probably yes. Basically you might have an arena with a 250m cycling track made from Siberian pine, a 200m 4-lane athletics track and a 6-lane 60m athletics straight in the middle. If I was sure how best to alter the template to include this type of information; I'd edit it myself but as I'm unfamiliar with it's full usage I'm not keen to do that :) Severo^TC 20:49, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

If you come up with a few common use cases I'll see if I can suggest the most appropriate new fields and get them into the sandbox. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 21:18, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Examples would be Manchester Velodrome (velodrome), Vélodrome de Bordeaux (velodrome and indoor athletics) and Kelvin Hall International Sports Arena (indoor athletics). Severo^TC 11:52, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm. How about two free-form fields named "Cycling track" and "Athletics track" respectively? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 08:48, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

That would probably work. I don't know if there are other examples of tracks which used this template. Severo^TC 09:09, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Merge from Infobox GAA ground

This seems like a top candidate for inclusion in this infobox. --Kwekubo (talk) 19:34, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

I've now converted all articles which were using Template:Infobox GAA ground to use Template:Infobox stadium. Teester (talk) 18:36, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Capacity for regular events or for single-time events

I have an anonymous editor on an article on my watch list who is adding two single events to the capacity. In this case, they were quite notable events, the opening and closing ceremonies for the 2010 Winter Olympics. However, this would open the door for other single events such as concerts or visits from the Pope (which also occurred there) and so I would like to suggest the following change to the documentation for that parameter. From

Insert the seating capacity of the venue. If it is a multi-purpose venue, use the format:

Capacity (Purpose)

To

Insert the seating capacity of the venue's regular events. If it is a multi-purpose venue, use the format:

Capacity (Purpose)

Special events should not be listed.

Any objections or concerns? --Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:23, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Location needed

This infobox ought to have a location field: City name would be appropriate here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Life of Riley (talk • contribs) 22:57, 24 November 2012‎ (UTC)

There is a |location= for this. Keith D (talk) 23:16, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Public transit?

Hi, template:Infobox museum has an optional info for public transit access, and i think that wd be a handy info in this one too. Any good? --ZH2010 (talk) 02:47, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestion, I added the publictransit parameter since it seems like a good idea and no-one objected Tjmather (talk) 18:44, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Use of inflation template in construction cost field

I've noticed that it is pretty common to use Template:inflation in the construction cost field on many of the deployments of this template.

However, this goes directly against the documentation of the inflation template itself, as it is explicitly not to be used for capital construction costs, such as large infrastructure projects like stadiums and arenas. The template uses the consumer price index of a given country for calculating the inflation, but CPI is only valid for small scale ordinary purchases, like rent or groceries; it cannot be used for something like this. To do such actually constitutes a form of unverifiable original research.

As such, I think that a) the template should be removed from every instance of this infobox and b) this infobox's documentation updated to make clear that the inflation template cannot be used. oknazevad (talk) 06:12, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Clarification

Hello. I used this template on Arena Corinthians but I have a couple question on three fields, as I believe thing in the US/Uk may have different names. Could anybody please clarify it for me?

• services engineer: From what I could get, those are guys who take care of gas lines, etc. or is it the main engineer responsible for the construction on the site?
• general_contractor: Is that the name of the company who win the contract and then subcontract others to do the job?
• main_contractors: Is it a synonym to general contractor?

Thanks!Legionarius (talk) 14:27, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Addition of parameters

Is there some reason why there is an objection to the parameters I recently added? Some stadium articles, particularly those in the United States, include some information on parking and seating decks -- in addition to club suites and public transit access, which already have existing parameters on here. A personal opinion that you do not like it and think it is "crud"[6] should not be a sufficient reason to revert it.Zzyzx11 (talk) 19:42, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

I removed them per WP:BRD. As you've re-added them, I've removed them again. Please wait for consensus here before adding them again. Why do you think each of these parameters (which include "bicycle facilities), individually, is needed? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:30, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Again, we should add all forms of transportation and seating arrangements, in addition to club suites and public transportation that already have parameters here on the template. Some stadium articles, particular in the U.S., also include parking and bicycle options, as well as different decks, which involve variable different pricing. This will be beneficial to include all this information if one wants to easily import this data via the micro-format. Template:infobox station also includes parameters for such parking and bicycle information, and Template:Infobox museum also includes a parameter for "nearest car park". Zzyzx11 (talk) 20:37, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with microformats. WP:NOTDIRECTORY applies. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:56, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

So we disagree on the issue of microformats. But is there any other objection to not including other transportation and seating information? Only having "suites" and "public transit access" seem selective and a little censorship by omission IMO. The other option would be to remove those "suites" and "public transit access" parameters instead. Zzyzx11 (talk) 21:10, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

We "disagree" on the issue of microformats only in as much as you think this has something to do with them and I know that it does not. Feel free to refute that, with examples. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:49, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Map?

It would be great if we could include a map and map caption just like for Infobox building. Can this be thrown open for consensus and if approved can someone add the capability? Keizers (talk) 23:36, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Looks like this is already in the template code - but not mentioned in the documentation. Keith D (talk) 00:17, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

It doesn't work at least if you use the parameter |pushpin_map = Keizers (talk) 17:48, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

It appears to work see Cardiff Arms Park as an example. Keith D (talk) 20:05, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Sir! I didn't have latd and longd as parameters, just coordinates. After adding lat/long, the pushpin_map field worked! Woohoo! Keizers (talk) 21:23, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Infobox theatre "Othernames" parameter

Will this continue to be supported, or will it be updated to the "Former names" parameter? I noticed that "Othernames" are currently appearing at the top, while "Former names" appear further down. It might be nice in some cases to keep the list at the top, when they are not really "former" but "other" names, or "later" names, for example, Éden-Théâtre. In most cases, it seems better to change the parameter to "former names", for example, Théâtre de la Ville or Théâtre du Palais-Royal, which I've already changed. --Robert.Allen (talk) 06:52, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 28 October 2014

|  label68 = Detailer
|   data68 = {{{detailer|{{{detailer|}}}}}}
|  label69 = Main contractors
|   data69 = {{{main contractors|{{{main_contractors|}}}}}}

Idsadconx (talk) 01:04, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Presumably you wish a new entry for "Detailer" to be inserted above the existing "Main contractors" entry. Why does it need to be coded as {{{detailer|{{{detailer|}}}}}} when surely {{{detailer|}}} would work more efficiently? Also, where was this discussed? Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit template-protected}} template. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:26, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

What is a "Detailer"? We don't seem to have an article for that. Please give some examples. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:30, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Previous location

Is it possible to get a previous address field? That would be really helpful, especially if there is extensive news coverage concerning relocation (see 12 Bar Club). Thanks! Wikimandia (talk) 19:09, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

That raises an interesting question. Clearly this Infobox is meant more for the physical buildings than the businesses that occupy them, based on the included parameters. That said, what happens if there is a case like the above. Is it really the same venue? Or is it a new venue that shares a name with the former venue? That is the question. I don't have an answer, and wonder if a note to the relevant projects for input would be beneficial. oknazevad (talk) 21:21, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 17 April 2015

Could some admin take a look in the deleted history of the real infobox venue (actually I think it would be in documentation subpage) and correct interwiki links? I think they should be available in pre-Wikidata times (somewhere in March 2013‎ maybe). Currently interwikis are for Infobox stadium, which was moved to infobox venue. Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 05:52, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Edgars2007, I've modified your templates to add admin help since an admin will be required to look at deleted histories. I personally don't understand exactly what your request is asking to be done or changed, so you might want to improve/clarify. Good luck in getting an admin to help you with your request. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 16:44, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

He wants to recover the old {{Infobox venue}}'s interlanguage links to create a new item linking the templates on Wikidata. Alakzi (talk) 17:08, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, Alakzi is right. You can copy all iws from /doc subpage into my sandbox :) --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 17:22, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

EP template marked as answered, until there is a specific code-change request which can be implemented; and consensus for that. Note also that Template:Infobox stadium redirects to Template:Infobox venue. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:52, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, edit-protected template in this case is not needed. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 17:22, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

• If I correctly understand the request, it is based on the belief that either in the history of Template:Infobox venue or in the history of Template:Infobox venue/doc there is deleted content which could be reused. However, the old template was not deleted, but rather history-merged with the new one that was moved here. There are no deleted versions of Template:Infobox venue/doc and the deleted history of Template:Infobox venue consists of one revision only, the full and uncensored text of which is "#REDIRECT [[Template:Infobox Venue]]". The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 13:46, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
• @Edgars2007: The old doc page is here. The two templates were not history merged. Alakzi (talk) 14:21, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure there were more interwikis for Infobox venue :D But ok, thanks guys for help :) --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 14:07, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Admin request to add a new field

Commissioning authority is an essential field that supports the construction process on new large building projects.

Can someone with administrator privileges update the below template? Please add: Commissioning authority

This should be added below these lines: | label43 = Main contractors | data43 =

eg: | labelXX = Commissioning authority | dataXX =

This is the template: https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_venue&action=edit

This is the field which I am describing: https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/New-construction_building_commissioning — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.207.222.202 (talk) 13:18, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Question: @66.207.222.202: Is this information readily available for most buildings? Can you give multiple examples of articles where this info is present? I was only able to find one (Zuellig Building). --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 22:07, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Not done I mark this as not done as there is no examples of where it should be used and no consensus for the addition of these parameters. Please establish a WP:CONSENSUS and reactivate the request (by changing answered parameter to "no") when there is consensus to add the parameters. Qed237 (talk) 11:44, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Tenants vs. Former tenants

Other than using years in parentheses, is there a way to differentiate between tenants and former tenants?

Some venues have had so many tenants over the years that it would be nice to have the current tenants highlighted somehow, while still listing the history of tenants. Is there a way to have a sub-section below "Tenants" for former tenants?

Lhimec (talk) 19:25, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Address parameter

Should we use |address= parameter for arenas? Many arenas don't use it and just show all the info in the |location= field. However, some users argue and give Wikipedia is not a directory policy as the reason for using the |address parameter. Any thoughts would be appreciated. – Sabbatino (talk) 09:46, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

A street address like "123 Main St" is fine, that tells you where the venue is. What we don't need is a full mailing address with zip code, because Wikipedia is not the White Pages. (And we especially don't need a mailing address when that address uses a city name that is not the actual location of the venue, as at T-Mobile Arena.) Toohool (talk) 17:51, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Well, that's true for everywhere in Paradise, Nevada; the whole unincorporated area is covered by the Las Vegas mailing address, including the entire Strip. Most local government services, including the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department, are handled by the county, so the average person can be forgiven if it's all Vegas to them. Then again, that's more reason to make sure it's accurate. oknazevad (talk) 16:47, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

@Toohool: So T-Mobile Arena's infobox is a good example for other arenas? – Sabbatino (talk) 15:38, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

I don't know about the whole infobox being a good example, but I think the way it shows the address is a good example. Toohool (talk) 18:14, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Display problem with embedded infobox

I recently edited the article Astrodome to reflect a recent historical designation the stadium has achieved. The article uses Infobox venue as a former sports and entertainment venue with embedded Infobox NRHP as a national and state historic site. The venue parameter Surface, rather than displaying with the rest of the stadium's physical characteristics, instead oddly displays within the Significant dates section of the embedded infobox. Is there a way to force the Surface param to display above the NRHP section with the rest of the stadium's physical characteristics? Fortguy (talk) 19:59, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

 Fixed in the article. You needed to use |embedded= (or |nrhp=) before the NRHP infobox. It's in the documentation; do a Find for NRHP. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:32, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

addition of fields: landscape architect and electrical contractor

This edit is proposed to allow pages venues and sites using this template to have the capability to add more complete information pertaining to the design team (refer to edit on April 25th to see proposed edit). This information is optional in the infobox and could be selectively provided for projects where relevant, just like the other existing design and construction consultant fields. Please share your thoughts on this. Thanks,

--Cr0codiletL1ger (talk) 19:47, 26 April 2017 (UTC)