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list of vita games

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List_of_PlayStation_Vita_games_(A–D) why is this split into a million different lists? most consoles only have 2. the vita barely has 1000 games, and the other systems have 4000+ yet the vita has like 15 differnet lists to cover 1000 pages? some of the ps4 pages have more than 1000 games on them.Muur (talk) 05:21, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

And that's a good thing? I prefer the smaller lists; the bigger ones are too long and lag my browser. It's probably just because no one has bothered to split the others yet. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:40, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
It's likely due to technical reasons. WP:PEIS. This is the same reason the Switch list is (currently) five pages. -- ferret (talk) 12:36, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
The fact that the list is split by letter means that it's impossible to sort the list by release date and easily discover what the first or last game is. It's also impossible to sort by developer/publisher and find all games by that dev. Likewise for genre. I think the breaking of the sort function is a bad feature of the split lists. From what I can tell, the bulk of the file size of these lists comes from the references, which are obviously not removable per policy. I propose some kind of "skinny" version of the table that is small enough (file size-wise) to be comfortably contained within a single page to recover the sorting functionality. There must be a way to offload the references to a transcluded page while still being referenceable in the main page... right? Axem Titanium (talk) 17:26, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
I'm not overly well versed in technical aspects relevant here. But I do know "Deaths in YEAR" articles don't use reference templates at all, instead manually formatting the references by hand, to cut down on page load sizes. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 17:52, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Yes, this has been quite the debate at the Switch list. Some people advocate splits due to size limitations that come up once the lists get bigger. Others don't like that "they're not listed at at one place" and do things to cut down on size issues to prevent splits. (Removing templates, certain formatting, etc.) I also had no idea it was such a hot button issue until I chose to create/maintain the Switch list... Sergecross73 msg me 17:57, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Obviously I'm sensitive to the accessibility concern of overly long load times due to large page sizes. Parasol's suggestion to use skinny references is worth considering. These references are solely to confirm existence and don't actually need to be as detailed as normal article refs. Relying more on Ibid. to cite to (reliable) databases would also help cut down on massive ref lists. I believe readers would prefer a working sort function and (unfortunately) don't care about referencing. We should work to deliver the functionality they're looking for while still maintaining verifiability. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:48, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
I'm generally of the mindset of "as long as it's there, who cares how many pages it's spread across." But I'm already burned out on the Switch list discourse, so I wasn't getting involved to push one way or another. I was just mentioning, for the uninitiated, that it's more contentious than one would usually think. Sergecross73 msg me 19:24, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Oof. Good for the heads up. I was passing by and didn't imagine it was quite a heated debate. I'm sympathetic to both sides here, but I really don't have a mind either way. All I know is what some other articles do. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 19:53, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
I wasn't aware that there was such a heated discussion about the Switch lists. I'm curious why so many entries at List of Nintendo Switch games (0–9 and A) have four or more references for a single date (presumably?). At any rate, Parasol's slim reference solution would probably be useful for that page for loading time reasons, regardless of whether it gets merged into a single list again or not. Axem Titanium (talk) 20:13, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
then why is it not a problem for other consoles???? ps5 is literally one list, and older consoles are split into only two lists.Muur (talk) 21:58, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Well, the PS5 list is only one list bc it's horrifically undersourced: 77 references for 462 entries. Ditto for the two PS4, two PSX lists, Gamecube (26 inline refs for 653 entries), and Wii (9 refs for 1595 entries). lists. Neither the PS2 nor Xbox list has a single in-line citation. The fact that these other lists severely lack references is why this issue hasn't come up for them. Can't hit WP:PEIS if you don't reference anything. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 22:06, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I can only testify to the Switch list really, but the problem is that there are just thousands upon thousands of small shovelware and indie titles that make the list massive. I imagine PS5 isn't there yet with only 14 months on the market. For better or worse, the Switch library is starting to approach the levels of Steam or iOS App Store tyoe libraries, in ways that consoles largely haven't done in the past. Sergecross73 msg me 22:11, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
I've said before that with the ability to basic self publish to these storefronts, maintaining a full list of games, even those noted by third party RSes, is falling into not catalog territory. When game production and publication was limited to the console maker, that was one thing, there was a clear finite number. I would almost say we need to limit these lists to games with clearly blue-linked articles on their own or of an established series to try to keep these growing too large, or limit to retail releases. --Masem (t) 22:56, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Could be that we could make a "physical release" requirement or "otherwise notable" with a certain RS standard maybe? Feels like that would cut out most of the shovelware. I'm a bit concerned that we're creating artificial boundaries for inclusion though. Nomader (talk) 02:26, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
There's inclusion criteria listed at Talk:List of Nintendo Switch games: Have been mentioned in a reliable secondary source that is not a catalogue/database, or Have an article on the English Wikipedia, or Are part of a series which has its own article on the English Wikipedia. I'm not sure if that's stringent enough to keep out so-called "shovelware" since many refs in the list are to websites that do WP:ROUTINE coverage of all new Switch eShop releases. A LOT of other entries are sourced to Nintendo's website version of the eShop, which strikes me as a violation of WP:NOTPROMO in addition to being a primary source that doesn't establish notability. When the first thing you see when you click the ref is a big "BUY NOW" button, that's not a good sign... Axem Titanium (talk) 02:42, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Should these articiticles should be merged?

Latest comment: 2 years ago13 comments6 people in discussion

i believe this articile should be merged with this one Why? Because they should be in a article called "Internet Browser (Nintendo consoles)" or something else. it makes it much more simpler, what do you think. TzarN64 (talk) 20:33, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Honestly, I'm leaning more into merging them into their respective console article pages. There's nothing particularly notable about either of those internet browsers, even when merged together. Sergecross73 msg me 21:30, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
How am I still subscribed to this when I only ever subscribed to this post on the Teahouse..? ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 21:33, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Internet Channel should most likely be merged or redirected to Wii Menu#Internet Channel. The sources used in the article are either primary, unreliable or trivial, and WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE applies. Similarly, Internet Browser (Nintendo 3DS) should be merged/redirected to Nintendo Network#Internet navigation, as it is similarly poorly referenced and it is unclear if it passes WP:GNG. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:40, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
I really thought the Internet Channel on the Wii was covered more, but it's sparse out there. A ton of articles came out saying they were no longer charging money for it and offering it for free to all users ([1], [2], [3], [4], [5]) but I didn't really find much else. Merge is the right answer here. Nomader (talk) 00:56, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
Seconding merge targets noted by Z. Axem Titanium (talk) 02:45, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

afd discusssion

If you want, you can join in here. TzarN64 (talk) 16:01, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Moved from WP:TEA ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 16:09, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
As the closer of the AfD stated, it is not the correct forum. AfD is for deletion, you are looking to set up a merge discussion instead. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:15, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
I have started a merge discussion at Talk:Wii Menu#Proposed merge of Internet Channel into Wii Menu#Internet Channel. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 16:25, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Its been redirected

i redirected Internet Channel. now the Internet Browser (3DS) TzarN64 (talk) 18:07, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

@TzarN64: I undid your merge because the discussion for the merge literally just started today. Please read WP:MERGE, and also stop posting discussion that belong here to the Teahouse. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:12, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
Yes, while it's fine to be WP:BOLD, you generally leave things intact during the course of the deletion or merge discussion so people can better evaluate the situation before weighing in. Sergecross73 msg me 19:56, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Requesting additional input on Killzone Shadow Fall move discussion.

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Discussion found here. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 22:13, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

SideQuest Studios, Eastasiasoft and Söldner-X: Himmelsstürmer

Latest comment: 2 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

So this is a weird one. As it stands right now, both Eastasiasoft and SideQuest Studios redirect to Söldner-X: Himmelsstürmer. Now, SideQuest seems to be a pretty small dev, only having developed three games -- the aforementioned game, Rainbow Moon, and its sequel. Eastasiasoft, however, sees to be the publisher for quite a number of games, albeit most of them not particularly notable. Regardless, both developer and publisher are linked from Rainbow Moon, which, again, redirects to Söldner-X: Himmelsstürmer, and it for sure doesn't make much sense in that context. Thoughts? ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 22:48, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

I'd suggest nominating both for deletion via RfD. Per WP:REDLINK, people will then be free to create articles on them if necessary - although I am almost certain that SideQuest Studios fails WP:NCORP as too small a developer. Generally speaking, I think that creating developer/publisher redirects to games is a poor idea for this reason - if they have made more than one game, there's no clear target. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:40, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Requesting additional input on PlayStation (console) move discussion.

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Discussion can be found here. Regards  Spy-cicle💥  Talk? 20:04, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

New Articles (January 31 to February 6)

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Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/New article announcements
 A listing of all articles newly added to the Video Games Wikiproject (regardless of creation date). Generated by v3.8 of the RecentVGArticles script and posted by PresN. Bug reports and feature requests are appreciated. --PresN 19:52, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

January 31

February 1

February 2

February 3

February 4

February 5

February 6

That is a lot of redirects! Also, I find it interesting how someone created an article (that is now a draft) for Super Mario Odyssey 2 when Nintendo hasn't even said that game is getting a sequel. My guess is that's because a leaker managed to predict an oddly specific detail for Sonic Frontiers which made the rest of the leak seem credible (and Super Mario Odyssey 2 was part of that "leak"). ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:01, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Most of the redirects were actually done a while ago and the talk page never updated; I went through last week and cleared them out so we got a big clump of them. --PresN 20:03, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Huh interesting. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 00:15, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Upcoming Nintendo Direct

Latest comment: 2 years ago17 comments6 people in discussion

Folks, watch your articles; the first Nintendo Direct of the year comes out at 10:00 P.M. UTC (5:00 P.M. EST) today. Panini!🥪 15:08, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

@Panini!: When I discovered it was coming out I immediately watchlisted the Nintendo Direct article. I can't really think of any other articles that would probably be in the direct that I could watchlist though. I have hopes that we get more info on Breath of the Wild 2 and possibly sequels to Super Mario Odyssey and Mario Kart 8, however those don't have articles (that aren't drafts) so I can't really do anything. I'm hoping we get info on Splatoon 3 such as an actual release date but it's just me hoping for things that probably won't happen. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:11, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
Blaze Wolf, Be on guard as you watch (if you plan on tuning in), as Nintendo often updates past games with new free content. Not only are possible future games and current projects under fire, but other games that have just been released (like Arceus, Get it Together!, Dread, among others) might have inexperienced editors trying to update them, often without citation or lack of a neutral standpoint. Panini!🥪 15:18, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
@Panini!: Ah true. And I was planning on watching it (I even said that I would tell people what I heard in the Direct as I'm watching it in the wpvg channel on the Discord). ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:19, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
Should they announce GoldenEye 007 HD like the leaks suggest, that article will surely go nuts. IceWelder [✉] 15:14, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
They didn't announce it. Very disappointing. IceWelder [✉] 22:43, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
Mandatory "Please don't create articles when all you know on a subject is "Untitled Mario game due out in 2024" or whatever. Sergecross73 msg me 15:15, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
Exactly lol. Even if RS's cover it, if all they say is "It's coming out and that's all we know" don't bother creating an article. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:16, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
That's early morning for me, and I am considering staying up all night for it or otherwise I will oversleep. Although I doubt that there would be people vandalizing articles in zhwp - nobody cares about console games, they are all for mobile/gacha/social/moba/Genshin games... Milky·Defer >Please use ping 15:16, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
I often forget that Genshin Impact is made by a Chinese company― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:17, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
It is pretty ironic, because "Genshin" is the Japanese prononciation of the original title "原神", not the Chinese prononciation (Yuanshen). The "impact" in the English title just comes out from nowhere. Milky·Defer >Please use ping 17:37, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
@MilkyDefer: My guess is it comes from one of miHoYo's previous games, Honkai Impact 3rd. Where "Impact" in that title comes from I have no clue. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 17:40, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
The original title is "崩坏3rd". "Honkai" is the Japanese prononciation of "崩坏", not the Chinese prononciation (Benghuai), either. The "impact" in this title, unfortunately, still comes out from nowhere. Milky·Defer >Please use ping 17:46, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
Maybe they think it'll make an impact on the video game industry in English speaking countries?[Joke] Although I do find it interesting that both games I showed have the English title using the Japanese pronunciation of the name instead of Chinese. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 17:52, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
It is sacarstic that MiHoYo, as a Chinese company, insists that their games' titles should be read in Japanese kanji style. This is a common critism of that company in Chinese BBS. Milky·Defer >Please use ping 17:52, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
There is unsourced speculation on Honkai Impact 3rd that the term is Neon Genesis Evangelion inspired. Yet I find it believable as the plot of said anime involves trying to prevent the Third Impact, a world-ending catastrophe. The game even had an Evangelion crossover. MiHoYo CEO even stated that "Its core resonates with that of Honkai Impact 3rd" which is semi-confirmation that it was heavily inspired by it. Source ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:19, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
Well, Xenoblade Chronicles 3 is here. No traces of vandalisms in zhwp, with only one editor actively updating information. Nobody cares about console games, and unfortunately I fell asleep ten minutes before the Direct, and missed the live. Milky·Defer >Please use ping 03:35, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Final Fantasy XIII-2 is Today's Featured Article on the Main Page

Latest comment: 2 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

If anyone could add this picture of the director to help illustrate the TFA that would be swell. Axem Titanium (talk) 07:50, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

List of playable pokemon on Pokemon Unite

Latest comment: 2 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Hello! I've started a (semi-) discussion on Talk:Pokémon Unite about whether or not we should keep the list of playable pokemon in the article. Juxlos has clearly stated that they don't think it should be added, however other users have added it back. I'm wanting to get more input on the discussion to see if something like this would really be necessary to keep in an article or if it's just WP:FANCRUFT. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 19:41, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

FAR for StarCraft

Latest comment: 2 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

I have nominated StarCraft (video game) for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm Talk 04:41, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Anyone up to get this article cleaned up? I could probably work bit on it. GamerPro64 05:31, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Requesting additional input on Destiny 2 release date discussion

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Discussion found here. Regards, MaksimFisher (talk) 09:43, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Potentially useful source on JP 3DS eShop sales

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It's a well-known problem that sales figures in the age of digital distribution are much less reliable than classic packaged software that went through middlemen stores eager to count sales. At least with Steam there's active player counts as a loose measure of popularity (with asterisks for games that go on sale for 2 dollars), but for the consoles, it's pretty much wild guesses in the dark. Anyway, to "celebrate" the N3DS eShop (before turning it off), seems like Nintendo of Japan released year-by-year charts of top downloaded games:

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/software/feature/3ds_ranking.html

It's just a relative ranking unfortunately, and it's overall sales for the year not games released that year (as can be seen by Animal Crossing New Leaf & DQ3 repeatedly appearing), and it doesn't include packaged cartridge sales (unclear if it's including things like purchasing a download code in a convenience store though). And it doesn't seem to indicate when sales or package deals might have thrown things (I can't understand why 2 Ace Attorney games make the top list in 2020 more than a year post-release unless there was some sort of deal/promotion). But it's at least something for some articles that might well have zilch for reliable sales / reception currently. Might be a useful addition to some of the relevant articles? SnowFire (talk) 12:59, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Peer review requested on Euro Truck Simulator 2

Latest comment: 2 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Hello! I've requested a peer review of Euro Truck Simulator 2, however it's been a few weeks sicne I First posted it and have received no answers. I noticed that someone had an FAC peer review open for a month and was told to try posting on a relevant WikiProject's talk page. So while mine hasn't been open for a month, I do still want a peer review for it and would greatly appreciate any feedback given in the peer review. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:03, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Does MOS:SENTENCECAPS apply to Pokemon Typings?

Latest comment: 2 years ago22 comments9 people in discussion
The result of the RFC on this is here - yes the MOS applies, no the terms shouldn't be capitalized. Let's not waste any more time on this. Sergecross73 msg me 19:48, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

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Hello! So recently there has been some debate at Talk:Pokémon Legends: Arceus over whether or not the typings of pokemon (like grass-type, water-type, and fire-type) should be capitalized. Editors have disagreed, citing MOS:SENTENCECAPS however other editors have said that it doesn't apply in this case. I'm asking here to gain some more input on this. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 02:44, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

wince These aren't proper nouns. -- ferret (talk) 03:23, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
We can use the text from the Pokémon video games in this case. Description of the Pokémon ability Overgrow - "Powers up Grass-type moves when the Pokémon is in trouble.". Due to this, I am going to say they should be capitalized. (Oinkers42) (talk) 14:38, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
It is true that everything I've seen suggests that (in-universe at least) these are treated like proper nouns, although there does seem to be some confusion if "types" should also have one. I would have thought that they should be in sentence case, but then, are these general words being treated like names? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:14, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
It depends, do the games also treat "type" as a proper noun? I've looked at a bunch of Pokemon articles here, and they all capitalize the former above the latter (Grass-type, Fire-type). I haven't touched a Pokemon game in my life (for reasons that wouldn't be appropriate to this discussion) so I'm unsure on how they're handled in-game, but almost every Wikipedia article doing this same format, so they're most likely echoing what's in-game. Panini!🥪 15:27, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Games capitalize or otherwise stylize Important Gameplay Terms all the time for the sake of clearly communicating with the player that it's an Important Gameplay Term. Wikipedia isn't a video game, though, and "fire", "ghost", "steel", etc, are all regular words used with their usual meanings - I just cannot see a case for capitalizing them.--AlexandraIDV 16:52, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Those words don't have their usual meanings at all, though. The word "fire" means "the rapid oxidation of a material (the fuel) in the exothermic chemical process of combustion." The term "Fire-type" means "a Pokemon type which is weak to Water, Ground, and Rock, but resists Fire, Steel, Fairy, Grass, and Bug." The word "steel" means "an alloy made up of iron with typically a few tenths of a percent of carbon to improve its strength and fracture resistance compared to other forms of iron." The term "Steel-type" means "a Pokemon type which is weak to Fire, Ground, and Fighting, but resists Grass, Bug, Fairy, Rock, Flying, Normal, and probably some other types I'm forgetting, and is immune to Poison." The word "ghost" means "the soul or spirit of a dead person or animal that can appear to the living." The term "Ghost-type" means "a Pokemon type which is weak to Dark and Ghost, but resists Bug and Poison and is immune to Normal and Fighting." What exactly is the connection between these definitions? There is none, they have completely different meanings. They're not the same words. Mlb96 (talk) 18:56, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
It's absolutely ridiculous to suggest that "Fire-type" is an allusion to anything besides the concept of "fire". The mental gymnastics that it takes to say otherwise is mind-boggling here. Sergecross73 msg me 19:59, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
And by the way, Wikipedia actually does use the same capitalization as games do when it comes to Important Gameplay Terms a large majority of the time. Looking at the article for the first game listed in the template at the top of this page, Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle, the article capitalizes the phrase "Skill Orbs." The second one, for The Incredible Hulk, capitalizes "Gamma Gauge." The third article, Ravenholm, capitalizes "Gravity Gun." The fourth article, Need for Speed: High Stakes, capitalizes "Single Race, Hot Pursuit, Tournament, Knockout, and High Stakes." The fifth article, Metroid: Samus Returns, capitalizes "Teleport Stations" and "Grapple Beam, Power Bombs, and Super Missiles" and "Sound Test" and "Fusion Mode." The sixth article, D.Va, capitalizes "Public Test Realm" and "Defense Matrix" and "Micro Missiles." I could go on and on and on and on and on about how badly you have misinterpreted the MOS, but I think you get my point. We generally follow the game's style when capitalizing. Mlb96 (talk) 19:06, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
(edit conflict) This feels disingenuous and frankly ridiculous. Pokemon having non-simulationist game design doesn't mean that fire-type pokemon have no connection to the real-life concept of fire.--AlexandraIDV 19:10, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
The names of Pokemon types are utterly arbitrary. They could've called it Poop-type and it wouldn't change a single thing. The best examples of this are Grass-type and Flying-type. Many Grass-type Pokemon have nothing to do with grass, and many Flying-type Pokemon cannot fly. One of the Pokemon at the center of this whole debate, Rowlet, is an owl that can perform photosynthesis. So it's connected to plants, but has nothing to do with grass. The word "grass" in "Grass-type" is used solely to convey which types Rowlet is weak to and which it is strong to. Nothing more and nothing less. You're the one being disingenuous here. Mlb96 (talk) 19:17, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
I wouldn't necessarily say that is true. Yes sometimes the typing of the pokemon may not match up with what it appears to be (for example, Grapploct being pure Fighting-type when it looks like it would have the Water-typing due to being an octopus), however sometimes the lore associated with them makes up for that. Also, the typing usually should be interpreted generally. So Grass-type pokemon may have nothing to do with grass, but they will have something to do with plantlife. Flying-type pokemon may not be able to fly but might be a bird of some sort or are based on some type of Japanese mythology that has to do with flight or birds. The typing shouldn't be taken as exactly what it says (i.e fire type pokemon having to do with fire, psychic type pokemon having to do psychic powers, ghost type pokemon having to do with ghosts) but as what it may be able to be interpreted as. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 19:28, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
(edit conflict × 4) Okay, I'm gonna make a final post here because I don't actually care enough about this to spend my evening on arguing about it (feel free to continue without me, I just won't read this thread any further or make more replies to it). Do you think it is a coincidence that Moltres, a fire bird, is a fire/flying-type and that it was just a happy accident that the words "fire" and "flying" were attached to a flying fire creature?--AlexandraIDV 19:28, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
I'm also going to say that people have thought that the unused bird-type in the Gen 1 games (Pokemon Red, Blue, Green, Yellow, Black, Orange...[Joke]) is what turned into the flying type as we know it now, suggesting that the names aren't directly associated to what they imply. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 19:34, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
My point is that there is a very clear difference between the real-life concept of "fire" and the "Fire-type," and to claim that they are the same is blatantly untrue. Moltres is both on fire and Fire-type. The flames on Moltres's wings are fire, they are not Fire-type. Moltres itself is Fire-type, it is not fire. The words are not interchangeable, they have completely different meanings. The type is capitalized, the word isn't. Mlb96 (talk) 19:37, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
I give up. This discussion is going no where and we're just repeating the same arguments over and over. Do what you please with the article I guess. If you get blocked it's not my fault. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 19:40, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
No, they are not "free to do as they please" if they actively edit against consensus, they'll be blocked from editing. Sergecross73 msg me 19:58, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
That's what I"m saying. I don't care what they do with the article at this point myself. If they get blocked it's not my fault since I tried starting a discussion to resolve the issue, but it appears to have made it worse. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:00, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
My reaction was identical to ferrets - absolutely not proper nouns, and should not be capitalized. This is one of my pet peeves - it's bad enough that Music Wikipedia so frequently thinks that music genre are proper nouns that require capitalization. (They aren't/don't either.) Sergecross73 msg me 19:58, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

This has now been reopened as an RFC so discussion here should move to the talk page. -- ferret (talk) 20:12, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

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Review sources

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Hello! I'm currently attempting to find more sources for reviews of Euro Truck Simulator 2 which was something that I was told could be improved on in the peer review. However, I"m encountering an issue. I'm attempting to search for reliable sources using WP:VGSE with the search term Euro Truck Simulator 2 review however the results I get are either for the DLC or not related to the game (either it's sister game American Truck Simulator or the first game Euro Truck Simulator). Could someone possibly assist me in finding some sources? I have a feeling I"m just not using the right search term. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:38, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Usually it is a good idea for modern games to go straight to Metacritic and then hand check against what is in WP:VG/S. Beyond that, I try to avoid adding any text besides the title (exception: 'common' names), as with this search. Sometimes some words can be filtered out with standard Google -, but other than that, you're on your own.
In summary, if VGSE doesn't pull up much, it's probably the case that the topic isn't notable, or in some cases it would be better covered as part of some parent or other topic. Izno (talk) 20:47, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
@Izno: I'm trying to understand what you mean by "Usually it is a good idea for modern games to go straight to Metacritic and then hand check against what is in WP:VG/S." What would I be handchecking WP:VG/S against with Metacritic? ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:59, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
I imagine he means look to MC's reviews for source ideas, and then check and see where they fall on WP:VG/S. Use MC for ideas, and then check VG/S to see if those found are usable. In definitely do that when I'm working on rewriting it creating an article for an already released game. Sergecross73 msg me 21:12, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
Usually, video game websites make an "Overview" page for a video game, where they can show date and publisher information as well as link other articles they have written on that subject. If you look up "[Name of Webiste] [Video Game Title]", these will usually show up. Panini! • 🥪 21:25, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
I see now. Metacritic helped me find more reliable sources for reviews (although some are in other languages so I might have to have someone who speaks the language translate it for me) ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 22:01, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
ALthough I might have to have someone help me out by telling me what the source says since I'm unable to view a lot of them for technical reasons (not going to go into the reasons to protect my privacy). ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 22:06, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
If you use (or download) Chrome as a browser, it can machine-translate for you. It'll even start auto-translating pages to your chosen language. It can't be used for direct quotes or contentious stuff, but it can usually get general points across. Sergecross73 msg me 22:20, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

New Articles (February 7 to February 13)

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Why does the Lynx version of Ninja Gaiden needs a separate article? It's literally the arcade version, which has its own article. It should be merged into that one. It's not like how the Lynx version of Batman Returns is completely different compared to the SNES/NES, Genesis and Amiga versions. Just giving my two cents on the matter... Roberth Martinez (talk) 23:24, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
Agreed; every sentence in the article already exists in the arcade version. I see no indication on the Lynx article that it is independently notable. Attempts to boldly merge the article have been reverted by Govvy. – Rhain ☔ 00:00, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
What I am shocked at, is the copy-vio of my writing, all the writing existed on the Atari Lynx page first. Next, the Atari Lynx version wasn't a direct port of the game. That had to be built from scratch. There are a lot of similarities and a lot of differences. They gave a short cartoon novel storyline for the Lynx version, the arcade version doesn't really have have a storyline other than the in game content. So... I was really frustrated that my bit of work to make that article got binned, even know I feel it just passes GNG at the time. Govvy (talk) 10:37, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
Note to Rhain and Govvy (and anyone else who wasn't aware): anyone is free to copy text from one Wikipedia article to another, it's not a copy-vio. No editors own the copyright to any text written on Wikipedia; please see the text right above the "publish changes" button: "By publishing changes, you agree to the Terms of Use, and you irrevocably agree to release your contribution under the CC BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL.". That said, to keep the chain of attribution, whenever you copy text from one article to another you need to say where you're copying from in the edit summary. Even when, as in this case, all you're copying is... a single, vague sentence + reference. Okay... --PresN 18:18, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
@PresN: I kinda remember some of that, I just found it very odd seeing my writing, wording, on the other article. :/ Govvy (talk) 19:01, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
I also explained this in a dummy edit, though I agree I should have attributed my edit in the summary. In any case, the sentence is now removed. – Rhain ☔ 22:48, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
The inclusion of a comic storyline doesn't change the fact that it's still the arcade version on the Lynx minus the multiplayer for obvious reasons. Roberth Martinez (talk) 04:38, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
I'll add that it also doesn't matter which article was written first for a situation like this. If it were determined that the Lynx version of Ninja Gaiden is close enough to the arcade version to just be considered a port, as opposed to a whole separate game, then it doesn't matter whether the Lynx article had it first. It would still be a good candidate to merge into the arcade article since canonically the arcade game is what the port was based on. Most other articles on games that originated as arcade games just have a section mentioning what other systems they were ported to. It's only when the derivative game is so significantly different (e.g. only based on the original game) that you could call it a separate game, that it usually warrants its own article. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 23:48, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Fallout (video game)

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I am now working to turn the article for the game, Fallout, into a Featured Article. Anyone with any recommendations for improvements, drop by the peer review and add your recommendations there. Lazman321 (talk) 01:00, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

New Articles (February 14 to February 20)

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Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/New article announcements
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That's a lot of deleted templates! ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 14:12, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

It's a long time coming. It's been almost a year I think since we first flagged those with the author to have them subst'd and deleted since they were only used on one article each, IIRC. I know a lot of people who frequent here aren't that interested in esports (including myself) so we tend to just leave the esports editors to themselves as long as they're not burning the house down. Personally, I don't have the energy to argue notability with them for every annual season of an esports league for one game multiplied by however many games there are. Axem Titanium (talk) 21:30, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
As the original author, I don't recall anyone reaching out to me to have them deleted. Regardless, I tagged them for speedy as, yes, lightweight transclusion wasn't necessary. You're right about most people in the WikiProject not caring for esports; there are a few of us that do try to do our best. – Pbrks (t • c) 23:55, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
I actually care about esports (i'm sort of interested in it), however only in certain video games and not as avidly. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 23:57, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
Hmmm, maybe I'm conflating with a different template tree for another game. Upon reflection, I don't think it was Overwatch so I must be thinking of some other occasion. At any rate, it's generally the right choice to subst and delete templates with only 1-2 transclusions. I might dig around in WTVG history looking for the older discussion if I have the chance. Axem Titanium (talk) 03:30, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
Perhaps it was the roster templates? Ton of those were deleted. – Pbrks (t • c) 03:38, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
Yep, that was the right search term to find it: Here. Looks like it was a different editor but the OWL template tree was mentioned there as well. Axem Titanium (talk) 05:24, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
Wow I cannot believe that there are no new articles on Feb. 14 and Feb. 17. Also it is a delight for me to see that Loopers got created right after I finish playing it - time to expand it in Chinese. Milky·Defer >Please use ping 14:12, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
Well, the 14th was Valentine's Day so it's likely that people had other plans! I have no explanation for the 17th though. 208.47.202.254 (talk) 15:27, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Nintendo channel article just isnt needed anymore

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I made an article about streaming services for the wii and since the Nintendo Channel is mostly a streaming channel for the wii, should we merge these? TzarN64 (talk) 01:03, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

It would be better off merged or redirected to Wii Menu as with the other dedicated "channel" articles, all of which fall into WP:INDISCRIMINATE territory. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:34, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
I smell a new merge discussion!― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:35, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
@Zxcvbnm: I would assume the same thing goes for Wii Shop Channel ? ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:44, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
Pretty much, the whole thing goes into minutia that is of little import to the casual reader. (Like the cost of Virtual Console games in Wii Points, for example). ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:46, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
I just realized that there was an entire section on that article dedicated to updates to the Channel, which is a violation of WP:NOTCHANGELOG (I've gone ahead and removed it). Any other dedicated "channel" articles I should know about? I might as well just propose them all to be merged at once. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:47, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
@Zxcvbnm: (I just realized your username is the bottom row of letters on a keyboard) Pinging ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:55, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

This previous discussion about merging Internet Browser (Nintendo 3DS) into Nintendo Network#Internet navigation had basically all supports but it sputtered out after Internet Channel got merged. I am still in support of merging this, as well as the Nintendo Channel suggested above. I'm leaning toward oppose merging Wii Shop Channel for now. The buyers' guide minutia should be removed but I think it's still independently notable for other reasons, similar to Xbox Games Store, etc. Axem Titanium (talk) 20:35, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

I support merging it all, though I wouldn't make a stink if Wii Shop Channel survived. Sergecross73 msg me 20:40, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
FWIW, I oppose merging Wii Shop Channel, because TMK it does have its own specific notability for being the single most important source of revenue for Nintendo on that platform, outside of physical-release games. I have no problem with merging the other channels, though - hardly any of them were specifically notable in a general context. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 22:28, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
What other "channel" articles are there? That way I can propose all of them for merging at once, rather than waiting for someone to bring it up here. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 22:32, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
In my experience, the more things you try to pack into one discussion, the harder it is to get consensus support for it because different people will object to different pieces. You don't generally save time or effort by having one big discussion. Axem Titanium (talk) 23:26, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
I understand that, however I'd rather not individually nominate each one for merging when the time comes. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 00:00, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
The user who started this discussion is now blocked. However since a lot of us seem to agree that this should still be done I'll start a merge discussion soon. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:35, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Merge discussion is here. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:39, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Voice of Cards question

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Last year, a game called Voice of Cards: The Isle Dragon Roars was released. I got enough info together to create an article for it, which has been expanded to a point. However now a new Voice of Cards called The Forsaken Maiden has been announced and released in quick succession, set in the same world but using different characters. There's also behind-the-scnees information and reception with this game, but the gameplay's nearly identical, and it seems silly to create a whole new article for it. However one interview relating to The Forsaken Maiden indicates that it's planned as a series. I'm wondering if the Voice of Cards would be better as a larger series article similar to some of the Megami Tensei subseries. Thoughts? --ProtoDrake (talk) 18:59, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

No particular objections. Voice of Cards is open. You can see .hack (video game series) for a close comparison article, if I'm understanding the situation correctly. Axem Titanium (talk) 20:12, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
I don't see how silly it is to make a new article for a totally separate game. I mean, we don't lump all Far Cry games into one article just because they're open world titles with similar gameplay. The .hack series is a bit different since they're part of an ongoing storyline, so it makes sense to group them up. I should also mention WP:NOTPAPER - there is no restriction on how many articles a series can have for each game as long as they're individually notable. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:30, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
I'm of the same mindset. I don't have a problem with separate articles. They're cheaply made games made in quick succession that are very alike, (not talking trash, just being honest) but they still are their own subjects with their own sourcing. Sergecross73 msg me 20:52, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Agree here as well. Nomader (talk) 22:38, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Section for covering VG industry support of Ukraine

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At 2022 in video games I've added a section under Major Events there to cover any activites from the video game industry in their support of Ukraine as a result of the Russian invasion, at least as a current holding place. If you know of any other major contributions that have been made so far or any that come up, make sure to add them there. --Masem (t) 13:32, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

New Articles (February 21 to February 27)

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Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/New article announcements
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Isn't it a little too soon to be creating a list of gen 9 pokemon? We only know 3 (well, technically 9 but we don't know the evolutions of the starters) right now and those are the starters. That's it. It would make more sense if there were more pokemon that have been revealed, but I really don't think a list of gen 9 pokemon this early is necessary. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 02:17, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Also, I like how it now says how long ago a newly tagged article was created (even though it's probably done that for a while and I'm only now noticing). If only it actually told us what it meant for the article to be "newly tagged". ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 02:19, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Newly tagged means that the WikiProject Banner was just recently added to the talk page. – Pbrks (t • c) 02:24, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Ah ok! I'm sure there are lots of articles like that. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 02:25, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
A decent amount- most are a few weeks old (the message shows up if the article was created at least 2 weeks before it shows up on the 1.0 bot list, which is triggered by the WPVG talk page template ("tag") being added). A few times a week there's one from years and years ago, though, usually but not always related to niche computer graphics stuff. --PresN 03:21, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Worth mentioning that when you move articles from userspace, they'll also be tagged as being created "x weeks ago" even if they were just moved into mainspace that day. Not a big deal but worth mentioning. Nomader (talk) 16:51, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, it does the same thing if it was a Draft without a tag; it's in the list of bugs to fix, which sounds nice until you realize how long some of those bugs have been there... --PresN 19:04, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Wild that I used to follow Overwatch League rather closely and was a VALLA fan for a while, and I didn't know SPACE was stylized all caps until looked at this list. RIP me. Also, I feel like List of streaming services for the Nintendo Wii is a WP:NOTCATALOG violation? But, I'm not familiar enough with that type of list, is that instinct crazy? ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 03:36, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, all of the recent talks have been in regards to merging together a bunch of those unnecessary Wii article splits, so I don't know what that article creator was thinking. Then again, they got indeffed a few days ago, so they're judgement probably wasn't perfect... Sergecross73 msg me 03:48, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Request for input on esports player articles

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After a recent WP:AN/EW, there needs to be a discussion about the usage of {{Medal}} templates in esports player articles. If interested, please comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Esports#Usage of Medal templates in player articles. Thanks. – Pbrks (t • c) 18:00, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Merger discussion on Eyes on Me (Faye Wong song)

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I started the merger discussion, located at Talk:Music of Final Fantasy VIII#Redirect Eyes on Me (Faye Wong song)? (2022). --George Ho (talk) 20:07, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Lunafreya Nox Fleuret

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Hi. I've just created an article for the FFXV character Lunafreya Nox Fleuret. There was an article created for her before the game's release which was swiftly deleted, and I wasn't thinking of creating one now, but due to finding a lot of information surrounding her creation and portrayal in addition to at least some commentary on her reception (and seeing other GA-status FF character articles with less content), I decided to create her own article. I'm planning on taking the article to GA in the near future, but want other opinions as to whether it passes notability. If it doesn't I'll happily merge it back into the main character article. --ProtoDrake (talk) 16:54, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Wow, the article is already over 40k in size, and everything is sourced, so I'd be completely shocked if there wasn't enough to meet the GNG. Nice work! Sergecross73 msg me 17:06, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

The article size seems neat already just by seeing it. Don't know too much about the other XV characters but the other ones already have similarly big receptions as Square released DLCs for them which resulted in more creation and reception information in the process. I am aware of the problems with Noctis' prose which led to make a copyedit request once I finished expanding the reception section.Tintor2 (talk) 20:57, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Opinions on move discussion at Talk:Full-motion video

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It would be good to see more participation on this discussion regardless of the outcome, I'd just be interested in seeing what other people think on the subject. It seems there are 2 almost redundant articles on this. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:56, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Steam Deck as a platform

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Should we be adding Steam Deck to the platforms in {{Infobox video game}}? Or would this be a form of emulation, and therefore inappropriate? I haven't found any prior discussion about this, and I've started to see it pop up in articles.--十八 21:32, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

I'd say no. A lot of games can run on Steam Deck even without special tweaking. It would either go under Linux, or be a form of Windows emulation. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:52, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Agree with the above. Don't think it counts as a platform in and of itself, more as something to be noted as having compatibility with. --ProtoDrake (talk) 21:55, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
No, it'd still just be PC. Sergecross73 msg me 22:54, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
I'm going to say no it's not a platform. It's really just a mobile PC that runs Steam OS. I don't think i would really consider Emulation but it's definitely not it's own platform. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 00:11, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
Games on Steam Deck are either Linux native or Windows versions running on Proton. It's not a separate platform. Valve has even said it does not expect Steam Deck exclusive games due to this reason. --Masem (t) 00:22, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
I agree with those who say it doesn't need to be separated out as a new "platform". The article is fine as a technology that supports a version of Linux, plus whatever hacks are out there. Shooterwalker (talk) 02:06, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Minecraft Clone

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The Article will be live in 2 minutes. - KaptianKharisma (talk) 23:53, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

It's been declined twice, and rightfully so. It's not ready. Sergecross73 msg me 23:58, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Stand-alone character class articles

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I recently prodded the new article Death Knight (character class), which, unsurprisingly, was removed. I'll likely take it to AfD, but I wanted to have a larger discussion about the articles in Category:Character classes. Are (most of) these subjects really notable enough to warrant their own articles? Most of the content on just about all of them are unsourced, and most of the sources that are being used are poor (e.g. Assassin (character class) not a single source in the article could be used for GNG). Should most of these articles be merged/redirected? – Pbrks (t • c) 16:33, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

I believe they should (entirely?) be merged into Character class. The D&D ones should all similarly be merged into Character class (Dungeons & Dragons). (I honestly think that should be outright deleted, but my AfD on that one failed several years ago). ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:00, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
Probably a merge is the path of least resistance. A lot of the character class stuff I think is prevalent and understood in a colloquial sense, but doesn't seem to have any rigorous sourcing behind it to actually suggest notability, let alone writing a decent article on it. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 17:05, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Concepts like "Healer" or "Tank" are fine but they shouldn't really be in this category (Character class doesn't even mention these). But everything like Warrior or Shaman are a pile of WP:SYNTH and WP:OR at the moment, in my opinion. Just because there are similarities, doesn't automatically make them the same thing across games regardless of influence and intention. Reliable sources should describe these first specifically discussing multiple unrelated games. I don't see a single source across any of these article that talks about more than a single game. —  HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 17:12, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
Agree a merge in a list in Character Class is fully appropriate. High level archetypes are fine here. --Masem (t) 17:15, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Infobox video game, credit fields

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A discussion was opened about credit titles at Template talk:Infobox video game#Staff precedence. I've proposed restricting the fields to notable individuals (blue linkable), or, eliminating the various fields altogether for a "notable personnel" field. Please discuss at the template. -- ferret (talk) 17:44, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

New Articles (February 28 to March 6)

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Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/New article announcements
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Wh-why did someone recreate Homebrew Channel? I highly doubt it's notable enough to have its own article. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 01:11, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
@Sergecross73: Pinging since they were the last person to turn into a redirect. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 01:14, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
I've boldly restored it, as it was done by the same guy who just got his Minecraft draft rejected twice. (See section above.) I don't think they have a good grasp on policy yet... Sergecross73 msg me 01:18, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
@Sergecross73: If you hadn't done it I would've done it myself. It's tempting to request semi-protection since it keeps getting recreated (salt protection won't work since it's already created). ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 01:23, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
KaptianKharisma appears to be a block evasion for TzarN64. They're both brand new editors with an editing focus on Wii and wrestling video games. I left them a note on Kaptian's talk page to maybe head off a larger situation in the making. Axem Titanium (talk) 05:10, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
@Axem Titanium: You were right. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 14:01, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
@Axem Titanium and Sergecross73: Checkuser confirmed and blocked. Clean up as needed. -- ferret (talk) 14:03, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
I've requested G5 speedy on the files they uploaded (which would've been deleted anyways). They created a few redirects but those seem relatively harmless (mainly just lowercase of another redirect), and redirects are cheap. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 14:19, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
User:Ferret, thanks for the help on this. Is TzarN64 able to edit their own talk page to request an unblock under their current block settings? I hope they at least have this one avenue to potentially become a productive wikicitizen, rather than become a serial block evader who will badger the project perennially. Axem Titanium (talk) 19:59, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
They are not talk page revoked on any of the three accounts. -- ferret (talk) 23:46, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
On another topic, whenever I see "MumboJumbo games" I always think of the Youtuber MumboJumbo, only to remember there's a company completely unrelated to him with the same name. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 01:51, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
After-the-fact update: I've finally fixed the bug re-reported last week that articles that are 'created' by being moved out of User or Draft space, if they had originally been made a while ago, were getting tagged like "(newly tagged - originally created 29 days ago)". In the process, I've added a new feature, so articles like that now get their own tag: "(was previously a draft)" or "(was previously a userpage)", with a similar "moved out x days ago" if the talk page tag lagged significantly behind the page move. I attribute these articles to the original creator, since the pagemover if different is usually an AFC helper. --PresN 03:02, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
@PresN: This is such a minor change that I wouldn't have noticed if you hadn't said this, and yet it's still a good feature. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 03:06, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
The level that you're willing to go to fix even minor quibbles that we see on this is absolutely impressive. Thank you so much for continuing to maintain this throughout the years. Nomader (talk) 06:13, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Thank you. Why it was no means necessary, it is more accurate now. The glitch usually affected my stuff, as most of my creations start off as user drafts and aren't published until I have time to develop it further down the line. Sergecross73 msg me 21:19, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Wii Chess Image

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I have a screenshot of wii chess that you can use on the wii chess article TheSecondComing10 (talk) 19:06, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Please upload your content to Wikimedia Commons for usage in articles. PerryPerryD 20:00, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
@PerryPerryD: What? No! That definitely DOES NOT belong on commons since it's from Wii Chess which means it would be copyrighted and not permissible. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:12, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Hm? Im confused then, how do screenshots get uploaded to wikipedia? PerryPerryD 20:13, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
@Blaze Wolf PerryPerryD 20:15, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
@PerryPerryD: Not through Commons. I can't remember how but it locally uploads the image to enWiki only. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:15, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Oh, Thank you for letting me know, (No wonder my aqua aqua screenshot got deleted) PerryPerryD 20:16, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
by the way @Blaze Wolf, The second coming 10 got deactivated shortly after posting this, They made several edits and all of them got reverted. So i would not advise using this screenshot in any instance. PerryPerryD 20:18, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
@PerryPerryD: I wasn't going to anyways. Especially not because it was uploaded to a file hosting service so they could've uploaded anything, including a virus. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:21, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
I deleted the URL to the file hosting service. David notMD (talk) 20:24, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
For uploading copyrighted or other non-free content, you have to do so locally through the Upload Wizard and fill out all required fields. Commons is a sister project that's exclusively for people to upload free images made by them for anyone to use. However, this user is right in the context of "the article needs a gameplay image". I'll upload one now. Panini! • 🥪 20:26, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
they say wikipedia is this big project but i have seen literally all of you before. PerryPerryD 20:33, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
@PerryPerryD: IT is a very big project. However this is a single Wikiproject. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:37, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
True, true. PerryPerryD 20:38, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
This may be because Blaze and I are both frequent in video game and newcomer related projects. You may see some overlap every once in a while :) Panini! • 🥪 20:41, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
we really gave a toasted sandwich the ability to edit wikipedia didnt we PerryPerryD 20:46, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
@PerryPerryD: Not any worse than giving a wolf the ability to edit Wikipedia. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:49, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Or a whatever the heck a dejekyll is casualdejekyll 00:12, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
I would recommend using the local Wikipedia upload tool and then using the Template:Non-free use rationale video game screenshot to justify the image. Basically, if you are trying to upload a "non-free" image, you can upload it to en.wiki, but not to Commons. When you upload it to en.wiki, you just need to justify why it qualifies as fair use under U.S. copyright law, which is what the template will help you do. DocFreeman24 (talk) 06:00, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Minecraft and SSTV

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There's a newly added Minecraft paragraph at slow-scan television, which is unreferenced and poorly written. Does anyone know anything about what that is about? -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 13:50, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

I think it is a real thing as it's relating to MInecraft's 2020 April Fool's update. HOwever I can't really add much to it as that would be WP:OR. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:37, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

D.I.C.E. Awards: Main Page Cleanup, More Pages for Annual Ceremonies & Category List Pages

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I have noticed that the D.I.C.E. Awards, formerly Interactive Achievement Awards, does not have a list page for the Game of the Year Award. I have noticed that there are individual pages for each of the BAFTA Game Awards Ceremonies and not the D.I.C.E. Awards. If we include the years when it was still called the Interactive Achievement Awards, the D.I.C.E. Awards are one of the longest running annual video game award ceremonies. In addition, the BAFTA Game Awards also individual list pages for each award category. The website for the Academy of Interactive Arts & Sciences, has the complete history all the winners and nominations from each year, under the awards tab. In addition, awards for individuals (Hall of Fame, Lifetime Achievement, Pioneer, and Technical Impact) can be found under the special awards tab.[1]--MR.RockGamer17 (talk) 16:50, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

I think there are too many dedicated individual award pages already on Wikipedia (and not just for games, but that's a bigger discussion). The existence of other stuff does not automatically mean that we need this stuff for consistency. Axem Titanium (talk) 20:43, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Welcome to the Academy Of Interactive Arts & Sciences". Academy of Interactive Arts & Sciences. Academy of Interactive Arts & Sciences. Retrieved 11 March 2022.

Redirecting sub series articles into Command & Conquer?

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Specifically, Command & Conquer: Tiberian series and Command & Conquer: Red Alert (series) don't seem like they should exist on their own and have been fancruft since 2009. Do other people think that these pages should be redirected to the main series article? There doesn't even seem like there is much to merge that is actually cited to something. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:22, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Merge. Not to OSE it, but, we don't have separate articles on every COD sub-series. -- ferret (talk) 20:31, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
Okay, I have redirected them; people are still free to merge anything from the article history if there is anything relevant that isn't in the main series article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 02:15, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

N64 technical specifications and programming characteristics

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Hello! I came across the articles Nintendo 64 technical specifications and Nintendo 64 programming characteristics through Suggestbot on my talk page. I"m wondering if it would be worthwhile to propose a merge of these articles into their relative sections on Nintendo 64. A lot of it seems like it could really just be summed up in the appropriate sections on the article N64, and also I noticed that no other Nintendo console has these as separate articles (which I know is WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS but might mean that technical specs and programming characteristics generally aren't notable on their own). ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:47, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, it appears to be a sort of spin out article that we used to tolerate, but have moved away from? There's also PlayStation 3 technical specifications and Xbox 360 technical specifications, but no Nintendo Switch technical specifications or PlayStation 5 technical specifications. I'm of the mindset that they need merging or deletion, as we rarely have reliable sources that cover them in the proper level of detail. Sergecross73 msg me 16:04, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Alright I"ll go ahead an propose a merge for at least the technical specs article. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 16:59, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
These details were pruned many years ago from the SNES article, as info: Talk:Super_Nintendo_Entertainment_System/Archive_4#Lack_of_technical_specifications_in_the_article. Around the same time, Nintendo Entertainment System technical specifications was redirected as well. -- ferret (talk) 16:16, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
I would agree these should be redirected/merged and heavily pruned. We're not a technical manual, and it doesn't really seem like there's proper sources that demonstrate we should have this much info. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 17:04, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
I've proposed the merge at Talk:Nintendo 64 ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 17:22, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

NFCC or VGBOX?

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Hello! I'm here to ask a simple question, does WP:NFCC override the preference for box art as described in WP:VGBOX? ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 01:19, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

In what way? It'd probably be easier to give an answer if you explained what spurred this question? Sergecross73 msg me 02:35, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Genshin Impact. A user is changing the image to the cover art for the game and another user is reverting it back to what's currently there per WP:NFCC (which I agree with as the current image is a free alternative and therefore the cover art is not allowed). ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 02:37, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
There is also a edit waring report regarding the cover art Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Neocorelight reported by User:Awesome Aasim (Result: ) and a deltion discussion by thae reported editor trying to delete the logo currently in use Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2022 March 10#File:Genshin Impact logo.svg. This seems like a bit of a mess.--65.93.195.118 (talk) 04:36, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Blaze, read MOS:LEADIMAGE and ask yourself if the plain text logo is satisfactory enough to fulfill the purpose of the lead image. I don't think it is. TarkusABtalk/contrib 08:02, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Agree with TarkusAB. A logo might be a good lead image for a series article but for an individual game the cover is almost always a better identifier. I don't think the non-free/free argument should be the primary motivator in this case. Salavat (talk) 13:11, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
NFCC1, NFCC3, and NFCC8 in this case are relevant. I also have other examples of cases where we use the logos since those suffice for identification - Dance Dance Revolution is one of those. Specifically, we do not use the entire cover if parts will suffice. At the same time, we don't go extracting the logo from the cover ourselves. We already have a free alternative for the Genshin Impact cover - the logo itself is so iconic that people can recognize what the game is right away. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis 17:05, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
The NFCC is one of those policies that is non-negotiable because of the legal implications surrounding it. The Genshin Impact logo is not a "plain text" logo, but a specific arrangement of letters in a specific style and formatting with geometric shapes added to it. Not enough to meet the threshold of originality in the US and so in the public domain and thus considered "free" for Wikipedia's purpose. Although enough to be above the threshold of originality in China.
In fact as soon as you get permission from the copyright holder to release the image under a free commercial license, NFCC no longer applies. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis 17:18, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Not every reader knows what Genshin Impact is. I don't. A cover art with characters and art is more helpful to get an understanding of the topic. Let's not sacrifice that in an attempt to avoid entirely hypothetical and trivial legal issue which have no precedence of occurring anyways. We use thousands of non-free covers and no one is complaining. TarkusABtalk/contrib 19:15, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
I have to agree with this sentiment. I can only speak for myself, but when I see a logo in a video game-related infobox, my first thought is that the article is about a franchise or series, and not a singular game. – Pbrks (t • c) 19:46, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
I mean, we could use both the logo and cover art, that is how some articles like Seven Dwarfs Mine Train works. With a non-free logo and a free image. (Oinkers42) (talk) 19:47, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
(ec) The discussion at hand is misspecified. It's not a choice between a cover and a logo in the infobox. It's between a non-free cover and a free logo+non-free character image somewhere else in the article. Both options include one non-free image so most of the NFCC arguments are mooted. To the extent that the cover adequately displays the major characters and obviates the need for an additional character image (I know very little about Genshin), I support including the cover. Axem Titanium (talk) 19:51, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
If you guys want my two cents, I would say that using a cover art is more helpful and visually attractive for the article, as it conveys the game's world and characters. Roberth Martinez (talk) 20:25, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Yes, a video game cover is more visually attractive, but no, it does not always meet Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria or fair use. Visual appeal does not make a video game cover meet NFCC8.
Take the lead image for something like Windows 11. I know this is not a video game, but it conveys important information that cannot be put into words. It shows what the operating system looks like, and specifically what makes this different from a different version of Windows. For Genshin Impact, the cover, on its own, does not convey that this is an open-world RPG. A screenshot of the video game would be needed anyway for someone to understand how the game truly works.
And I feel like you may be missing the point - the manual of style is not policy but describes generally agreed on best practices/guidelines for a specific situation. Copyright and NFCC are policies with legal implications, which means we must be extremely conservative when handling these situations. Violations of legal policies can and does result in a block from editing to protect the site. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis 21:52, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
In fact WP:VGBOX is missing a lot of context on its own, one section above that is WP:VGIMAGES, which states that image use must also satisfy the all points of the core policy: Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria which has greater limitations on the use of non-free images than US law requires. Any and all non-free images must meet the NFCC, including video game covers and screenshots. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis 22:04, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
  • Neocorelight here, I'm logging out because seeing the notifications is stressing me out. Aasim insisted to use the logo because he believes it is a free "alternative" to cover arts. I do not think logos are alternatives or equivalent to covers at all, they're not proper visual identifier because they do not show art or image for the game. There are almost a thousand free video game logos on Wikimedia Commons, and English WP articles don't use those because of this and WP:VGBOX. 182.1.106.220 (talk) 23:14, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
So here are my first impressions of Genshin Impact and its relation to MOS:LEADIMAGE. I actually thought that lead image was the box art for it, but then I learned the game has no physical release. I looked it up on the PlayStation store, saw 4 characters, but I'm not sure if those are the same characters. Honestly, there wasn't a logo on PSN, this could've been anything else. So the only consistent promotional piece is the logo.[6][7]Promo piece not on the homepage
Honestly, that promotional piece screams waifu-generic. It screams please play this free-to-play game with harem-suggestive art. It screams anime art brought to you by Google AdSense. While we could use different artwork, I feel these free-to-play games tend to have bad or misleading artwork. BOTW's box tells me open-world. This doesn't. League of Legends (free-to-play) seems fine without one. « Ryūkotsusei » 04:37, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
@Ryūkotsusei Kind of agree, kind of disagree. I would not object to the usage of the game artwork if there was no better alternative; but there is, and it is one that is free (in the United States). I am not sure if it is just me, but I feel like the NFCC criteria are listed in order of importance. NFCC1 makes it clear that non-free works (be it cover art, logos, screenshots, etc.) are not to be used if there is a free alternative available. This would automatically disqualify use of the cover artwork since the purpose of identification of the game can be done through the game's logo. They also fail NFCC3 since even if the cover art was not free, the logo (which is already present on the website) is only a part of the image, and would serve the same purpose of identification as the entire cover. (Hence my revert from the Honkai Impact 3rd cover back to just the logo.) NFCC8 means that the item must significantly increase a reader's understanding of a topic. A non-free game logo, while it does not on its own help increase a reader's understanding of the topic, tells the reader that they are looking at the right page. A cover art might fulfill the same criteria as NFCC8 but it would fail NFCC3. I have already said that Genshin Impact, with over 80 million downloads, is such an iconic free to play game that even someone who has never heard of the game could identify the logo and see "yes, this is the right place".
On another note, I was wondering if it would be appropriate to move this discussion to a wider forum like Wikipedia:Media copyright questions or Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). The reason is as this is a WikiProject page, this is almost certainly just going to get input from members of WikiProject video games (unless if an RfC is opened). I am taking a conservative stance because copyright is a serious issue, and uploading something copyrighted to Wikipedia is not something to be done liberally. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis 05:52, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
Aasim, the amount of words you have sunk into this thread is approaching WP:STICK levels. Open an RFC if you really insist, but do not go forum shopping. As I pointed out above, replacing the box art with a logo does not actually reduce the total number of non-free images because losing the box art would warrant adding a new non-free image that depicts the characters and art style. Another 800 word essay isn't likely to convince anyone here otherwise. Axem Titanium (talk) 12:12, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
He's got a point. With everyone so gung-ho to claim that logos are pretty much all PD-text and throwing up vectorized versions, if you have a free-to-use logo that identifies the game, the argument that you need a separate non-free element of the key art (that not having it would significantly harm readers' understanding of the topic) is weakened. And frankly, our insistence that you have to have a cover is pretty spurious as is. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 15:48, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
@Axem Titanium I think I have said most of everything I need to say anyway. :) Taking a look of the comments more clearly, I think there were a few things I was missing from here (given I am a Genshin player and I noticed a comment about the characters). So I am going to add that here in this last portion and then I will have said everything kek
The game cover (now deleted) uploaded only has a few characters of the 40+ characters there are. The main character (Aether/Lumine) is not even on there. In terms of artwork, the only thing used to consistently market Genshin is the launcher art, which is used before releasing every major version.
I took a couple of days from this thread to see what would happen here, it is wonderful to see all this (even somewhat heated) debate. I think feeling misinterpreted can be a bit frustrating, haha. I think a bigger question to reconsider (where it was asked before in an RfC in 2010-2012, see the footnote of Wikipedia:NFCI, but context matters greatly; in 2012 people were still buying out flashcarts and game CDs, now we have video games that are distributed solely through the cloud or online marketplace) is when the game cover should be used, when the logo should be used, and which has preference. But that is for a different discussion. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis 18:55, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

New Articles (March 7 to March 13)

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Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/New article announcements
 A listing of all articles newly added to the Video Games Wikiproject (regardless of creation date). Generated by v3.10 of the RecentVGArticles script and posted by PresN. Bug reports and feature requests are appreciated. --PresN 22:21, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

March 7

March 8

March 9

March 10

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March 12

March 13

So, I actually made a bunch of changes to the script last week, but waited until now to use them instead of re-running the post (again):

  • Splits – where a page is moved to a new title, leaving a redirect behind, and then a new article is started at the original title (e.g. "Pocky and Rocky" is moved to "Pocky and Rocky (video game)" leaving a redirect, then a series article is built at "Pocky and Rocky") – are now being recorded- previously they were being either dropped as a redirect or manually caught because of an ancient "new tag" of the moved page. Go forth and mangle the edit history of pages (by leaving redirects behind that you don't intend to keep) in peace
  • Added attribution and "newly tagged" bits to new categories, because they should get some love too
  • Made user attributions shorter (just the linked username) so as to make each line less busy
  • Bugfixes: fixed an issue where authors couldn't be found for articles with only a single edit, due to a mediawiki bug that's producing invalid html. That's... only happened once with articles that I know of, but it was really obvious with categories since they usually only get one edit ever. Also fixed an issue where dates couldn't be found if the edit was revdel'd, which has happened at least twice.

Unrelated to all that: looks like we're getting a ton of "related to GPUs or graphic processing" articles being tagged for the project, which feels... odd? But maybe it's okay. --PresN 22:21, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Do we really need a category dedicated to the Dream SMP? There's the Dream SMP page, and then only 6 unique pages in the category, with there being 3 that are redirects, 2 of which redirect to the Dream SMP article. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 22:37, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
No we do not. I marked the category for CFD as it does not contain enough content to justify an entire category IMO. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 23:19, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

WWE Aftershock AfD

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A discussion is taking place as to whether the article WWE Aftershock is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WWE Aftershock until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. TheSecondComing10 (talk) 15:34, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

What are notable Game Studios?

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What are notable Game Studios? How does who determine what a notable studio is? CityScraper (talk) 09:41, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

The guidelines for notable studios are the same as any company that falls under WP:NCORP. To restate what it says while being more specific to games, a studio is not notable merely because they developed a notable game. The studio itself must have been discussed in reliable independent sources for it to be considered notable. It's important to distinguish articles about a studio's game with ones about the studio itself. A studio being notable tends to be rarer than a game unless they are a rather large and prominent one. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:18, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Request for revision delete

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During a dispute with another editor on zhwiki, I am informed that Tears of Themis contains direct quotation from the official website which obviously consistutes copyright violation. I have removed the relevant parts, but I am clueless how to request for a revision delete. Thanks :-) MilkyDefer 14:46, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

@MilkyDefer: Tag it with {{revdel}}. Be sure to include the parameters the start, end, and url. – Pbrks (t • c) 14:51, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Adding idea

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Iv would like to add my article wrestling revelutotion Newzlighter (talk) 08:57, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

FYI, your article has been moved to a draft at Draft:Wrestling Revolution because it's not ready to be published yet. You didn't use any sources, for starters. Sergecross73 msg me 11:57, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Gex (series)#Requested move 12 March 2022

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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Gex (series)#Requested move 12 March 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 01:06, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Hyperbolica

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I've been working on a draft for Hyperbolica, but it's not finished yet. If you could help, please do. There still isn't a reputable review of it, but I'm hoping it'll come eventually. Sultan the Sultan (talk) 05:28, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

WikiProject Video Games Newsletter

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The newsletter for WikiProject Video Games hasn't had an issue published since April 2021. The next issue was supposed to be published in July 2021. I find it odd that I cannot find a posting related to the delay of the newsletter in either the talk page of Wikiproject Video Game or the newsletter. In fact, the last postings of the newsletter talk page were by Thibbs and Panini! in May 2021 and were related to a survey that was going to be a part of the next issue. The last edit to the draft was on June 2021. Does anyone know what happened to the newsletter, and can we relaunch it? Lazman321 (talk) 14:56, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

I think it's just that they've been busy, and no one else picked it up. Thibbs used to be one of its biggest proponents, but I don't think he's been very active in recent years. (Either that or I just don't cross paths with him much anymore.) I don't see any issue with starting it back up outside if manpower - you'll have to see if there's any willing participants. I imagine they take a bit of time and commitment... Sergecross73 msg me 15:09, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
As Sergecross73 says, Panini! and I were the last staffers before I fell ill. And with only one participant it's just too much to keep it up. Sadly I really can't participate in the Newsletter any more at all. But I'd love to see anyone else take the project up. I found that the VG Newsletter was useful to document the history of WP:VG. I can try to help anyone who is interested, but only to advise... -Thibbs (talk) 01:27, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Darkstalkers 3#Requested move 14 March 2022

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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Darkstalkers 3#Requested move 14 March 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 20:28, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Section shortening

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Hi all,

I would like to trim down the "Special Game Modes" section in Bloons TD 6, but I'm not really sure how much to delete, and how much to keep. I think the detail on "Co-op" and "Boss Bloons" could be merged with the main article, but I'm not really sure. Any advice?

Thanks, Splatana (talk) 19:17, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Im not the best editor, i'll bring someone who is for advice, however, as far as i can tell, i think the Special Game Modes section is balanced enough as it is. @Panini!what do you think? PerryPerryD Talk To Me 19:25, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
This definitely needs trimmed, unless the sources can be replaced. Nearly all of it is sourced to Youtube and Wiki sites, which are unreliable WP:USERG. There's a couple sentences backed by reliable sources, but over half of it is not. Either the sources need to be secondary to help show these modes hold any sort of significance, or trimmed down. -- ferret (talk) 21:16, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
Seconded. Sergecross73 msg me 02:40, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
Basically, anything that critics feel is worth noting is what you too should note. This sets a good standard, because if nobody mentions something, then it's not important to understand the general gameplay. On that second note, a good gameplay section describes only important aspects of how the game functions, and shouldn't go in-depth with every detail possible. You can read more at WP:GAMECRUFT. Splatana, I'll leave some specific comments on the article's talk page. Panini! • 🥪 12:20, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

New Articles (March 14 to March 20)

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Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/New article announcements
 A listing of all articles newly added to the Video Games Wikiproject (regardless of creation date). Generated by v3.11 of the RecentVGArticles script and posted by PresN. Bug reports and feature requests are appreciated. --PresN 23:51, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

March 14

March 15

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Changes: Templates now get the "newly tagged" bit as well. --PresN 23:51, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

I wonder do we really need a list for all game soundtracks on streaming platforms. If as the article claims that it has become a trend, we can expect every new released game will have a soundtrack on streaming platforms, and the list will become trival. Also the list itself is already missing Japanese visual novels - a bunch of them are already on streaming platforms. MilkyDefer 02:31, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
It's a relatively small cross-section when you consider the 1000s and 1000s of video games in existence - most aren't available for streaming. There's similarly List of video game soundtracks released on vinyl too. Feel free to add any visual novels to the list. All that's required is a source to verify it. Sergecross73 msg me 02:36, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

List of games with support for high-fidelity image upscaling, which was previously merged via a discussion that came about after a New Articles announcement, has been unredirected. A few more eyes patrolling the page would be appreciated. Axem Titanium (talk) 07:05, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

It seems the discussion at Talk:List_of_games_with_support_for_high-fidelity_image_upscaling#Proposal_to_merge_to_Image_scaling is being brigaded by some coordinated editing from off-site. I invite you to comment there to relitigate the consensus that was established just 3 months ago. Axem Titanium (talk) 11:22, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
I was just going to say the same thing - there's almost certainly some sock/meat puppetry and/or off-wiki coordination going on there. Far too many WP:SPA's in agreement with the same flawed misunderstandings and lack of understanding of any policy/guidelines. I can't really take any admin actions since I've already participated, but I agree this needs more eyes. Sergecross73 msg me 11:31, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
Looks like I'm a "power mod" now. When do I get the mop? lmao Axem Titanium (talk) 11:33, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
Yeah...they're hard to follow. Multiple have accused me of deleting it when I've never deleted or redirected it. They hate me and all I did is comment a couple times. But your link could be good - looks like they've copied the list to a PC wiki. Half their arguments have been about how the content isn't available anywhere else on the internet, so at least that is addressed. Sergecross73 msg me 11:39, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
They think you're my sockpuppet or something, which is a ludicrous notion. They also appear to be confused about the timeline of events. Anyway, the discussion desperately needs more experienced editors weighing in. The PCGamingWiki's copy of the list appears to be actively maintained so I don't think there's any worry of this information being lost to time. Axem Titanium (talk) 11:48, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

I made a new section here. Please comment there. Axem Titanium (talk) 12:12, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Believe it or not, I supported. Panini! • 🥪 12:22, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
I almost can't believe it but the Reddit thread actually has most people agreeing with WP:NOTDIR and saying it should never have ben on Wikipedia and instead should have been where it is now on PCGamingWiki. 😱 Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 12:38, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
Yeah I was surprised too! Axem Titanium (talk) 21:42, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
I swear we AfD' the list of video game soundtracks on music streaming platforms a few months back. This is just massive WP:GAMECRUFT in my opinion. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 19:31, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
Checked the logs, This article has no PUBLIC logs, no records of creation or deletion, so i am unable to verify this. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 19:43, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
It's never been deleted or sent to AFD. It was discussed last year: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games/Archive_157#List_of_video_game_soundtracks_on_music_streaming_platforms -- ferret (talk) 19:49, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
Yes, it was just that discussion, that's all. It was never sent to AFD - I've had it in my watchlist since I created it. (Which I did after researching and remembering that the vinyl equivalent survived it's AFD.) Sergecross73 msg me 21:00, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
I said my piece at that prior discussion. I don't think it's appropriate on Wikipedia, whereas I think the vinyl list is totally fine. If someone wants to AFD it now, I'll explain my reasoning in more detail there, but for now, you can see my position at the previous thread. Axem Titanium (talk) 21:42, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

New Articles (March 21 to March 27)

Latest comment: 2 years ago5 comments4 people in discussion
Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/New article announcements
 A listing of all articles newly added to the Video Games Wikiproject (regardless of creation date). Generated by v3.10 of the RecentVGArticles script and posted by PresN. Bug reports and feature requests are appreciated. --PresN 13:34, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

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*I noticed that List of games with support for high-fidelity image upscaling has been tuned back into a article after it was merged back in late December. I believe the redirect should be restored and and if there is a consensus to keep instead could someone at least change the colours used in the table.--65.93.195.118 (talk) 20:17, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Never mind I didn’t notice that there was a new discussion regarding this already on the articles’ talkpage.--65.93.195.118 (talk) 20:24, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Planned GA: Square

Latest comment: 2 years ago16 comments8 people in discussion

Hi, I'd like input on a project I'm starting. Hopefully within the company's 35th anniversary, I thought I'd take the article for Final Fantasy creator Square to GA. I've got it currently going in my sandbox. I've done other company-related articles before including one GA (Monolith Soft, Sacnoth, Mistwalker), but given Square's position in gaming history, additional input would be appreciated. Most of my work so far has been finding suitable sources for its business structure, history, ect..

One of the points I'm wondering about is whether to include something akin to a reception and legacy section, which I haven't really on the articles mentioned above. Also wondering whether I should mention studios created by ex-Square employees. I've got them in the current draft, and I'm going to make mention of the number of departures during the mid to late 1990s, but it's the general scope of the article that I need most guidance on. --ProtoDrake (talk) 20:13, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

@ProtoDrake The legacy section is incomplete, it cuts off. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 20:51, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
Also thats a bit too many sources there pal, WP:OVERCITE. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 20:52, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
Several sections appear to be cut off and incomplete, requires further writing, images (Once published), and a few other things. I would be happy to perform a full GA-Review upon completion. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 20:55, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
As to the comments above on sections being incomplete...it is a work in progress in my sandbox, that's to be expected. If I wasn't clear enough, I wanted input on what kind if content it would be best to include, such as the possibility of a legacy section. --ProtoDrake (talk) 21:03, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
A legacy section is not a bad idea, I think that what you have now is pretty good, (once its done i mean). @Panini! what do you think? PerryPerryD Talk To Me 21:24, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
I would support you adding a legacy section, and including content about the founding of new companies. From a readers perspective, they wouldn't only be looking for information on the physical company, what games they shot down, and how they shut down. The interesting content (which also fits the scope) is the people, what they did, the environment, how they all came to be, etc. Hearing about what they did after it all fizzled out helps contribute to this. For example, if the TV show Big Brother was just episodes of people competing in challenges and voting each other off over and over it would be a boring show. Viewers want the drama, the romance, the bloodshed. Similarly, a video game company article shouldn't just be a timeline of the games they released and how big they got. One instance currently in the Square article is that the third paragraph states "Square has also made other widely known games such as" and just lists off a bunch of widely known games. If they're so well known, why is this all that can be said? What does this paragraph do that List of Square video games doesn't? Panini! • 🥪 21:43, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
If the sources support it, I think mention of other Square-descended companies that are not Square Enix (like Mistwalker and AlphaDream, for example. I know there are more) would be cool to put into the Legacy section. I'm pretty busy with irl stuff but I'd be happy to help with copyediting when it's more complete. Good luck on this ambitious project! P.S. This is nowhere close to OVERCITE. Axem Titanium (talk) 22:12, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
...dude theres like 7 citations in a single sentence. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 00:13, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
Ok looking at it again, it seems he cut down on the citations, which is good. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 00:14, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
Take a breath, Perry. Proto is sharing a sandbox that is a work in progress. As he's already indicated, it's not finished, which means its full of extra citations and sources that may not have been incorporated yet. -- ferret (talk) 00:54, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
Not to mention, OVERCITE isn't really that big of a deal, and can generally be fixed pretty easily on the spot if the future reviewer has a concern about. It's...probably not exactly the sort of feedback ProtoDrake was looking for here. Sergecross73 msg me 01:06, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
Not to beat a dead horse, but I also have no idea what this is referring to. The old revision that you looked at doesn't even have OVERCITE; one sentence has four refs, one has three, but that's about it. Not even close to seven. – Rhain ☔ 00:20, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Right, I've actually managed to complete the rewrite. Polishing and possible additions next. This...article...was...a...nightmare to research. --ProtoDrake (talk) 23:55, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@ProtoDrake I can't give much advice on expansion because I'm the farthest thing from a Square/Enix fan. One thing I do know, however, is that when Final Fantasy VII took to the PlayStation, Nintendo began the Paper Mario series in retaliation. Not sure if this fits the article scope, but here's two sources if so: [8] [9]. Panini! • 🥪 00:22, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
Did some copyediting and reference polishing. --PresN 15:57, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

GDC/IGF awards + GDC's Flickr account

Latest comment: 2 years ago6 comments4 people in discussion

With the GDC/IGF awards being live again, a reminder that GDC's official flickr account still uploads as CC-BY (read: free licensing!) and there's some good images that I see already that I can't get right now for some key devs like Daniel Mullins (Inscryptions), Steven Spohn (AbleGamers), etc. [10]. --Masem (t) 12:38, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Can we have just one editor rummage through these photos for the best of each notable person and upload them in bulk to Commons (e.g. via Flickr2Commons)? This would avoid the chaos of multiple editors uploading the same pics by accident. IceWelder [✉] 17:25, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
Duplicate uploads are usually caught even if the filename differs. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 19:56, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
Easier said than done because the photos are not captioned. The uploader would need to recognize the (mostly unknown indie) developers in order to give the photos meaningful filenames and appropriate tags. You can sometimes deduce who is who by seeing who accepts which award, reviewing the game credits, and doing a little research. TarkusABtalk/contrib 04:45, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, and same with the panel events. They are at least dated, so you can often cross-reference to the schedule [11] (though John Romero is immediately obvious). The Step and Repeat photostream are generally anyone that was nominated for an award (won or not) so that might help narrow a few. --Masem (t) 04:56, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
Also I just noticed some photos are tagged with the event/session it was taken at (at least in this album), so you can also cross-reference that with the schedule to determine the person. TarkusABtalk/contrib 05:04, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Paper Mario: Color Splash/archive1

Latest comment: 2 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I don't mean to pester, but my nomination is in danger of being closed due to a lack of reviews. If anyone has the time to leave comments and a !vote, I would really appreciate it! I'm also willing to do a video game review of any kind in return. Panini! • 🥪 16:10, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Square (video game company)#Requested move 23 March 2022

Latest comment: 2 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

This discussion could use more people weighing in. Axem Titanium (talk) 20:56, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Inscryption importance change

Latest comment: 2 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I'd like to discuss a possible change of importance on Talk:Inscryption. I'd like some opinions so I can reach a consensus. RteeeeKed (talk) 22:34, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

WP:URFA/2020 needs your help!

Latest comment: 2 years ago6 comments4 people in discussion

WP:URFA/2020 is a working group dedicated to reviewing and improving featured articles that were promoted before 2016. This year, URFA/2020 wants to finish reviewing all articles promoted from 2004-2006, and make significant progress on the 2007 articles. This is where we need your help.

We need video game specialists like you to look at these articles and either document that they meet the featured article criteria, improve them until they meet the criteria, or document concerns on the article's talk page. Subject matter experts are especially important because they know if the prose includes all necessary information, the sources are high-quality, and if there are any other concerns that an unfamiliar editor would not know to look for.

Below is a list of articles that fall under WikiProject Video Games's purview. If you believe the article meets the featured article criteria, please mark it as "Satisfactory" on WP:URFA/2020A. If you are working on the article, please mark it as "Working", and if you leave notes on the talk page, please mark it with "Notes" and a link to the diff. More detailed instructions can be found at WP:URFA/2020.

Here is the list of articles under this project's purview that were promoted or last reviewed in 2004-2006:

Here's 2007:

Thank you for your help with this. Please ping me if you have any questions. Z1720 (talk) 02:33, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Im trying my best gosh darnit. GamerPro64 04:45, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
Thanks @GamerPro64:. Hopefully this message will get other video game experts to help you with your work. Z1720 (talk) 12:55, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
You're doing fine :P It might be useful if any of the significant contributors are still around that they get pinged on the effort and can proactively take a look at the articles and see if they need some improving; even just listing that you're aware the article could need an overhaul and it's on the radar is helpful. E.g. User:Sjones23 and User:Guyinblack25 have edited recently (though Guy is listed as retired) and Okami is one of User:Masem's. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 13:10, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
Sorry, but I have little interest in these games to proactively help improve them (I feel stating I have no interest is better than just ignoring this message). If an article is in danger and the original users could really use the help I might stop by. Panini! • 🥪 13:41, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
@Panini!: If you aren't interested in improving the articles, another option is to post concerns on the talk page if there are problems with the sources or missing sections that would be expected in an FA. If the concerns aren't addressed, I'd appreciate it if the article is nominated at WP:FAR so that we can start the process of finding editors to fix up the problem or delisting the article if there are major deficiencies and no one is interested in addressing the concerns. Editors can only nominate one article a week at FAR, so having more editors (especially subject-matter editors) nominating articles helps us go through the process more quickly. Z1720 (talk) 13:48, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

I am once again asking for the infobox to not list lead artists etc. as just "artists" etc.

Latest comment: 2 years ago14 comments7 people in discussion

I have brought this up before, and my point still stands: the average person has no way of knowing whether or not the "artists" etc. listed in the infobox were the sole artists etc. working on the game, or whether they were leads for a larger team. --Eldomtom2 (talk) 18:30, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Why exactly does it matter? We are simply listing notable personelle.Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:40, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
I, also, would not assume that it implies those were the -only- artists working on the game. Just the most important. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:51, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
This is exactly the same approach in film and TV infobox articles too. We're not a full credits page here. --Masem (t) 22:55, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
To be fair, with film and television, the infobox lists every credited director, writer, producer, composer, etc., whereas we only list the leads without specifying that they're the leads—I think that's what Eldomtom2 is trying to say. I don't have an opinion either way, just wanted to clarify. – Rhain ☔ 00:01, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
That is indeed my point. The problem is that it is not clear when the listed artists etc. are the leads or the sole artists etc. I have seen people confused before. If given a random selection of video game articles, would you be able to work out which ones were which? --Eldomtom2 (talk) 13:06, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
I'm unsure why it matters. And, more to the point, how we'd source the information either way Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:07, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
Sourcing would not be the issue, since we already list these people in the infobox anyway; the source is the game's credits, usually. – Rhain ☔ 00:23, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
I feel like "people are confused" is more a matter of their own reading comprehension, because even the directing, writing, producing, and music staff is obviously larger than the listed. We don't list assistant (or unit, or department, or etc) directors / writers / producers / composers in the infobox. This is in line with other media Infoboxes too, like Template:Infobox film. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 14:17, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
One, no, it is not always the case that the staff is "obviously larger". Take Undertale and RollerCoaster Tycoon. Which game do you think has all its artists listed in the infobox? Second, I am not asking for more people to be listed in the infobox. --Eldomtom2 (talk) 15:02, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
I think the difference with film is that the parameters say "Directed by" and "Produced by", not "Assistant director" or "Executive producer", so the names listed fit the bill precisely. In the video game infobox, though, the parameters simply say "Programmer(s)" and "Artist(s)" without specifying whether they're the lead or the sole programmer/artist. Eldomtom2 is not looking to add more names, they're discussing clarifying the parameter itself. – Rhain ☔ 00:23, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
I don't see a reason why we use a different naming scheme anyway. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 07:58, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
Our problem is that our infobox runs the gamut from AAA productions that would have well-defined lead positions to one-person projects, while films , even indie ones, nearly always have these breakdowns. --Masem (t) 14:22, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
That's a fair point, but I would still like to believe that most readers would infer that anyway. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 18:04, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Heart Star

Latest comment: 2 years ago8 comments3 people in discussion

Does anybody have sources of this videogame? I already have the information, but I need the backup. Oixyplanet (talk) 06:21, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Only this exists from the reliable sources [12] (plus a WP:ROUTINE announcement in Touch Arcade), doesn't seem like a game that meets WP:GNG sadly. In general, iOS/Android games struggle for coverage for a while now (reviews are getting sparse and mostly fixed on platform-specific sites that are slowly giving on regular reviews as well), and the PC release didn't attract any attention whatsoever. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 08:47, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, besides the Pocket Gamer source it got zero attention from reliable sources, so it would not be sufficiently notable. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:15, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
Not good. I will see if I can make an article (or draft, because it would be dissapointing to see the page getting deleted 12 hours after its creation) about Jussi Simpanen, its creator. I do not think I will be able either, though. Oixyplanet (talk) 22:27, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
@Oixyplanet: If you're interested in working on another game from the same developer that is notable, Total Party Kill has reviews in Eurogamer, Pocket Gamer and Gamezebo among others. (The link is a redirect, but it can be made into an article sans disambiguation, as the VG term isn't a proper noun). Ultimately it's up to the developer to make sure their game gets picked up by the gaming press to ensure it would be notable. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:50, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
Similarly, Super Dangerous Dungeons is also notable and doesn't have an article yet. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:52, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
Well then, I can see. I found it weird that the game that I mentioned doesn't have enough reviews considering its amount of views and downloads. Oixyplanet (talk) 00:37, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
Well, it can often be hard to say why the press would ignore one game and publicize another. Maybe one game did not have the advertising push behind it that another did, or the sites did not think it was major enough to review. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:36, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

"Sonic Cinematic Universe"

Latest comment: 2 years ago15 comments8 people in discussion

I'd like some input/thoughts/help with Sonic Cinematic Universe.

Upon first glance, it appears to be well written, but its not sitting right with me. Yes, Sega/Paramount announced plans for one...but that's about it. The fact that so much has been written without it being formalized is bothering me. I'm not sure if it should be trimmed down to what us verifiable, or just merged/deleted to the series article. Or maybe I'm overreacting or not up to date with my info too?

Pinging TheJoebro64 and Popcornfud as common Sonic contributors, through I'd like anyones input. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 18:39, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Critical Crystal violations. My advice? Draftify until further notice. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 18:43, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
I'd say draftify for now. Could be renamed something like Sonic the Hedgehog (film series) and include other films if the cinematic universe thing doesn't exist in future. Indagate (talk) 18:46, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
Sergecross73, if my understanding is correct, cinematic universe articles technically only need two movies to exist (I know Sony's Spider-Man Universe already existed when Venom and Morbius were the only films in the franchise). However, I don't think a standalone article is necessary at the moment. Most of the development section is copy-and-paste from the Sonic the Hedgehog and Sonic the Hedgehog 2 articles without context as to how the cinematic universe was being planned or how it's been received as an overall franchise. (Was it always intended to be a universe? Do they have clear plans for where they're going? etc etc)
I'd say the article should be draftified and redirected to Sonic the Hedgehog#Live-action film franchise. It'll probably be worth a standalone article within the next few years, but for now I'd probably say it's WP:TOOSOON. JOEBRO64 18:58, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
They've added the template, category and information about the cinematic universe back to Sonic the Hedgehog (film) and Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (film), revert or nominate for deletion? I'd say too soon for template and category too Indagate (talk) 19:44, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
There is enough information for a template and category now: there were for Sony's Spider-Man Universe, like TheJoebro64 said. 3040Thirty (talk) 19:49, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
@3040Thirty Again, Crystal Ball violations here, Until we get dead on conformation of this, this is NOT to be published until then. Information or not, it is simply too soon for the template, article, and category. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 19:57, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
I mean, they've barely announced that the "cinematic universe" even exists, let alone define it. It's original research to be doing all of this already. Way too soon. We've got a couple movies out, and a couple future movie plans. That's it, as far as concrete info goes. Sergecross73 msg me 20:12, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
Looks like obvious fancruft to me. Someone is excited that a "Sonic cinematic universe" has been mentioned and rushed to make an article about it. Popcornfud (talk) 20:16, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
I've also removed mention of "the first film in the Sonic Cinematic Universe (SCU)" from the Sonic the Hedgehog (film) article. This term seems to have just been mentioned in some interviews or whatever. Until this becomes a true multi-film franchise and a plurality of sources refer to this "Sonic cinematic universe" term it's just hot air and hype. We can't just go around insisting every series of films is a bloody "cinematic universe" because that's the buzzword right now. Popcornfud (talk) 10:33, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
Sounds good, also nominated the template for deletion, seems too soon for that too Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2022_April_4#Template:Sonic_Cinematic_Universe Indagate (talk) 10:40, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
I'd actually only consider the films to be a "Cinematic Universe" rather than just a normal franchise after the fourth or fifth release. We absolutely should not be calling things a "universe" with just two released films, as future plans can be cancelled. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 13:47, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
Draft:Sonic the Hedgehog (film series) already exists. Please direct any improvements you have there. The fact that this "SCU" article was made in a single edit by a new user suggests to me that there likely is copyvio text here. Axem Titanium (talk) 14:55, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
I'm aware. I was speaking more from the stance of us renaming such a page to Sonic Cinematic Universe just because its a buzzword by fans and the media following the success of the MCU. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 15:07, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
Sorry, I wasn't replying directly to you. Just continuing the conversation in general. Axem Titanium (talk) 15:20, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Tomodachi Life Citation Help Needed.

Latest comment: 2 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

I need some assistance citing the ¨Gameplay¨ section of this article, any help is appriciated. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 18:49, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

This game has been on my radar for a while, actually, but I'm currently busy with other content. @PerryPerryD, usually critics give general gameplay summaries in their reviews, so that's a good starting point. I know there was also a Tomodachi Life-specific Nintendo Direct, so I bet journalists posted articles that summarized all of the content they went over. Panini! • 🥪 18:59, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, i´ll look into them PerryPerryD Talk To Me 19:02, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Amy Rose

Latest comment: 2 years ago9 comments4 people in discussion

Hey everyone, there's a disagreement going on over at Talk:List of Sonic the Hedgehog characters#Proposal to de-merge Amy Rose from here whether Amy Rose from the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise should have an article in the state I have it in at my sandbox (User:MoonJet/Amy Rose), or if we should take @TheJoebro64:'s suggestion and WP:TNT it and start over. Some additional input is needed. MoonJet (talk) 01:39, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

The third option would be to just uphold the prior consensus in 2019 to merge the article. It feels a bit disingenuous to omit that detail... Sergecross73 msg me 01:54, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
Which I have since addressed some of the issue brought up there. MoonJet (talk) 02:06, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
No, I mean, you're notification here is framing it as some sort of disagreement between two potential approaches for un-merging. The real discussion is whether it should be unmerged at all. Sergecross73 msg me 02:09, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

:This is an aritcle about a side-character or even trixagonist at most. Not nearly notable enough for its own article. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 14:00, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

I mean, did you even look at my draft and the sourcing there? How little of a role they have in the series has no baring on if they pass Wikipedia's notability standards. Besides, I certainly wouldn't call Amy a "side-character". She's probably the most important character to the series, after Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Shadow and Dr. Eggman, all of whom also have articles. She's definitely the most important out of the female characters. A side-character would be someone like Big the Cat or the Chaotix. MoonJet (talk) 16:52, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
I apologize... greatly. I was not thinking straight earlier. Reading your draft on the article, I do see that this subject is notable. So i would say to re-merge. Its well written, and goes into detail. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 18:25, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
You mean to say "de-merge" rather than "re-merge."
In that case though, maybe weigh in over at Talk:List of Sonic the Hedgehog characters#Proposal to de-merge Amy Rose from here? MoonJet (talk) 18:29, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Time for a Review Thread

Latest comment: 2 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Not so bad for reviews this time of year but its always good to review:

Featured Content
GAN
Peer Reviews
GAR

And again we have the Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Requests board that is now at five years for backlog. Please take part in minimizing it if you can. GamerPro64 05:05, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm open for QPQ; I currently have Paper Mario: Color Splash, Mario & Luigi: Dream Team, and Dr. Luigi outstanding. Panini! • 🥪 02:25, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Project CARS#Requested move 24 March 2022

Latest comment: 2 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
 

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Project CARS#Requested move 24 March 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 07:06, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

New Articles (March 28 to April 3)

Latest comment: 2 years ago4 comments4 people in discussion
Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/New article announcements
 A listing of all articles newly added to the Video Games Wikiproject (regardless of creation date). Generated by v3.10 of the RecentVGArticles script and posted by PresN. Bug reports and feature requests are appreciated. --PresN 16:29, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

March 28

March 29

March 30

March 31

April 1

April 2

April 3

The articles I created are all about indie 4X games. I've got a few more queued up. Unfortunately, writing so many articles on a single topic can make it sound like they were written by factory workers in a encyclopedia sweatshop. I've got a few more queued up if I can stand reading more articles about 4X games. Does anyone have a problem with me recreating Special:Undelete/Aurora (video game) (AFD)? I've got more sources:
It looks notable to me. The deleting admin, TonyBallioni, seems to be on vacation. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 00:58, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
A lot of those looks like WP:TRIVCOV or primary sources. How many full length reviews are there of the game? Unsure if it is notable, it may get AfD'd a second time if it's recreated. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:53, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Kingdom Hearts IV

Latest comment: 2 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

If any editors are curious, I've moved Kingdom Hearts IV to Draft:Kingdom Hearts IV because what was revealed today didn't seem like enough to build out a stub of an article. The article can be worked on in the draft space until more of that info gets released and it meets notability requirements. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:18, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

It looks like one of those quintessential articles that, if well written by an experienced editor, could exist just fine, but as long as it looks like that, then yeah, it should stay in the draft space. Sergecross73 msg me 19:59, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Starting Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Mobile Article

Latest comment: 2 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

I need help finding reliable, independent sources. Link to the article i started: Draft:Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Mobile Jay852 (talk) 22:10, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

I declined the draft but advised Jay852 to post a note here. They are struggling with identifying appropriate sources but they are trying and generally have a good start on the draft with a couple bumps in the road. (@Jay852:, good job linking the draft!). S0091 (talk) 22:40, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Jay852 (talk) 22:47, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

New Articles (April 4 to April 10)

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Retro Gamer UK magazines are removed from Internet Archive

Latest comment: 2 years ago4 comments3 people in discussion

Something terrible happened! When I was trying to look up a video game at a UK Retro Gamer magazine, it appears that all of the UK Retro Gamer magazines are removed from the Internet Archive. All I see are Retro Gamer Spain magazines shown in this link here. Now what? --Angeldeb82 (talk) 03:21, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

The first 200 issues (sans 159 and 160) are still viewable here, at least for me. – Rhain ☔ 11:23, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
I can see them too. And even if they were removed, this is a very new publication, relatively speaking. They are still in print, still selling, all copyrights are still maintained, so it's a wonder such recent issues are even at Internet Archive. Sites like retromags.com do not even publish anything in circulation or less than a decade old. IA only gets away with it being a library on a technicality and most publishers not really caring. —  HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 13:35, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
I see. I'll keep that in mind next time I look. --Angeldeb82 (talk) 15:18, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Advice for Year of Luigi

Latest comment: 2 years ago8 comments5 people in discussion

Year of Luigi just passed to GA today, and since I've come this far I might as well bring it to FA in the future. Since there's a large gap between the two of them, I was wondering if you all have some advice to improve/expand its current state. As far as I'm aware there's no general format for good video game anniversary articles, let alone in general, so I'd like to hear some opinions on my current decisions with formatting and such. Panini! • 🥪 01:49, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Request Peer Review, They can get direct prose issues and help you quickly. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 13:54, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
I'm aware of PR, and I always go there for every FA just for extra measure; I'm speaking beyond prose work, such as if the article's scope is accurate or if there's something else to reformat or mention. Panini! • 🥪 14:16, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
I'm afraid I've never written an article about a marketing campaign, nor do any good examples come to mind off the top of my head. Might be a bit tricky to get a good comparison point. Sergecross73 msg me 14:35, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
Congrats on the GA! Capcom Five is a FA that I worked on that seems to be a similar type of article if you're looking for inspiration. I feel like there's enough fondness for the Year of Luigi that there should be enough retrospective articles to produce a Legacy section. It could also document contemporary and retrospective reception for the concept as a whole (rather than individual games). If the sources support it, this would be a good section to discuss Year of Luigi memes, which were ubiquitous back then. I also think you could explain a bit more about who Luigi is in the History section, and why he might need a Year to feature him. Assume zero knowledge on the reader's part. Finally, I bet you can find a free-use image of the Chicago L train with Luigi livery. I'm sure SOMEONE has released their photo on a CC-SA license, maybe on Flickr? If all else fails, I've actually gone as far as to DM some of the photographers on Twitter to see if they'll change the license. Those are my suggestions. The article looks great already. Axem Titanium (talk) 14:38, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
@Axem Titanium Thank you for the advice! As per you image concerns, I'm not very knowledgeable on free content and copyright so I'm wondering if you can help me a bit further; I see that a handful of images were uploaded by Nintendo onto Shutterstock, which is a royalty free stock photo site if I'm not mistaken? Would I be allowed to use one of these of these images without issue? Panini! • 🥪 02:46, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
Royalty-free is not the same as copyright-free, afaik. You still have to buy the license from Shutterstock, you just don't have to pay royalties to the actors in the pictures (and Shutterstock still owns the copyright). So no, those wouldn't work. You'll have to find an image with a Commons compatible license on Flickr for example. Or cold DM someone who posted their own photograph of it (e.g.) and see if they're willing to release it under ShareAlike. I would look into the first option first though. Axem Titanium (talk) 06:40, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
I'd say that the article needs a reception/legacy section if it's going to go to FAC. JOEBRO64 16:02, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Discussion should be closed

Latest comment: 2 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

I would do if myself if I knew how but I think Talk:Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels#Super Mario Bros 2.: The Lost Levels is a SNES remake of the original SMB2. The article should be called Super Mario Bros. 2, as that is the original name of the game. should be hated since it’s becoming quite off topic with the last post trying to attack the United Sates as a country as a justification for a page move. I think that discussion has ran its course.--65.92.163.109 (talk) 23:43, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

That discussion was started in 2019, and is like 10 comments long. Most participants have probably moved on. It's clearly not going anywhere. If someone was going to make a serious effort at moving it, they'd set up a WP:REQUESTEDMOVE discussion. Sergecross73 msg me 00:57, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Persistent "Cancelled platform x games" IP user problem

Latest comment: 2 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

There's an IP user that IP hops around on the 2001:B07:645F:16D1:* range. @LTPHarry: had trouble with them on the Cancelled DS games list and other articles last month. Their mode of operation is usually to add current articles to the "cancelled games on platform x" categories or to add games to "List of cancelled x games", without any references. Last month I went through every historic VG edit made from addresses on that range, and every single one was unrefferenced (the only mentions I could find were on fan sites/ fan wikis) I reverted all of them. Tonight I spotted them again, same mode of operation and currently on 2001:B07:645F:16D1:3004:5B40:EEA2:FA80, so heads up and keep your eyes open. What are the chances of getting such a huge range block? - X201 (talk) 21:01, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Blocked /64. Wider shouldn't be necessary. /64 blocks almost never lead to collateral, and almost any block of an IPv6 user should probably be a /64 block. For the record, this does not appear to be the Ireland Cancelled Video Game LTA, whom I have been blocking for years. -- ferret (talk) 21:52, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, I was going to say, I think I've had "hoax cancelled game IP editor" issues off and on for my entire time on Wikipedia. There's a lot if it, for some reason. Sergecross73 msg me 21:56, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Platform Question

Latest comment: 2 years ago6 comments5 people in discussion

Hi everyone,

Apologies if this as been asked before. In regards to the platform section of the infobox, I’ve seen several articles for games that are on PC/Windows that list the platform as “Microsoft Windows” and some that just use “Windows” (though most seem to use the former). Template:Infobox video game says “The unabbreviated console or operating system family for which the game was specifically developed” but I’m not sure if “Windows” counts as an abbreviation of “Microsoft Windows.” The reason I ask is because the article for the OS itself is Microsoft Windows using the full name and not just “Windows” so shouldn’t games that are on Windows use the full name “Microsoft Windows” in the infobox? I’m one for consistency, so I’m not the biggest fan of some pages having one version and others having the other or is this a non-issue and this doesn’t matter? (VenFlyer98 (talk) 22:02, 2 April 2022 (UTC))

It should be "Microsoft Windows" as that is the proper product name. --Masem (t) 23:53, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
Doesn't hold up when we say Sony PlayStation 5 or Microsoft Xbox 360. WP:COMMONNAME should apply here despite the article name. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 18:09, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
It's "Windows" per the infobox's documentation. We only use "Microsoft Windows" for our article title as a natural disambiguation from other uses of Windows, but in the context of the infobox "Windows" alone fully conveys the platform. czar 04:58, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, we should just be going with "Windows", per czar. I'd honestly argue that the Microsoft Windows article should be renamed Windows, a la Friends. JOEBRO64 16:01, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Was just curious, thanks for the replies! I’d see it going either way but “Windows” makes sense since that’s basically what Microsoft refers to it to. VenFlyer98 (talk) 23:47, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

TFAs

Latest comment: 2 years ago2 comments1 person in discussion

I've just nominated Paper Mario: Color Splash for TFA. Any comments or support would be appreciated. We also have Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels there as well. Panini! • 🥪 14:16, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Update: Final Fantasy Tactics has been nominated as well. Panini! • 🥪 12:16, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Image request for Roberta Williams

Latest comment: 2 years ago6 comments4 people in discussion

I'm working to bring the article about Roberta Williams from GA to FA. There are some dated photos of her from the beginning of her career, but I think the article would feel more complete with a more recent picture, or something from the peak of her career, or both. I'd appreciate anyone who wants to track down an image and upload it with a fair use rationale. Shooterwalker (talk) 04:32, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

She's alive so a non-free image is not allowed. --Masem (t) 04:38, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
That said, you may want to check the photostream from Flickr of the official GDC account from this years' event. Both she and Ken were there to promote their upcoming VR port of Adventure (Ars Tech had their own photo of them from it, so not usable) but I can't recall one from the GDC account which uploads all of theirs with a free license. --Masem (t) 04:41, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
Maybe try to ask her too? GamerPro64 05:33, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
I've sourced an image from GDC last month and added it to the article. – Rhain ☔ 23:32, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for this. Makes everything feel more current. Shooterwalker (talk) 17:48, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
Latest comment: 2 years ago6 comments4 people in discussion

I saw a number of articles where the relevant category was deleted by Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_March_29#Category:Video_games_scored_by_Garry_Schyman, which is a precursor to deleting probably all the cats in Category:Video games by composer. (though the nominator acknowledgs some of the more predominate composers would be reasonable to keep). I'm a bit worried that as this XFD had no participation from the video games project that the claim "Who wrote the music for a video game is rarely a defining characteristic of the video game" is not necessarily true, particularly compared to a category like Category:Film scores by composer. I think we need to challenge this before the category itself gets into the slash and burn, but want to check if I'm right or just barking up the wrong tree. --Masem (t) 04:25, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

I agree with Sandstein's assertion for the most part. A composer is not a defining aspect of a game most of the time; might as well have categories for every other staff member on the game if we are going to allow minor composers to also have categories. With composers like Nobuo Uematsu or Yoko Shimomura, I can see them having categories because in those limited cases their name recognition can be used in the game's advertising. It seems like various editors unfamiliar with the NONDEF policy created large amounts of extremely small and minor composer categories in a short time. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:00, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
I would tend to agree that there's likely only a few VG composers that would merit a category (and Schyman is a case I would actually keep), but I think what this may illustrate is a need to consider how both VG and films (and possibly other media) handle this field. Note that this is unique that soundtracks often get released separately from the work itself so that the composer gets added recognition. --Masem (t) 11:49, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
I don't see a problem with VG composer categories in themselves, so long as the composers in question meet the notability guidelines, as many do. Many game composers have their own articles, many game articles have sections devoted to their music, and game soundtracks are often released separately as their own product. GOTY awards and the like often specifically recognize game music and their composers too. I did some work with these categories a few years ago and always kept strictly to composers who have their own WP article already -- basically the same approach as in the Film WikiProject, where composer categories are ubiquitous. The categories for non-notable game composers (i.e., no WP article, nor any other demonstrable notability), though, are a different story, and should be cut. Phediuk (talk) 16:48, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
While I fully agree with you, I believe the problem lies in the fact that the majority of them are still not a defining feature of the game. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 08:20, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
Composers are a defining feature when the music is the relevant point of discussion, though. If the music is mentioned in a game's article at all -- and, keep in mind, many game articles devote whole sections to the game's music -- the composer is the first thing that will be mentioned about it, if the composer is notable. This is the same approach that the Film WikiProject already takes in its wide application of "Films scored by (composer)" categories. Avengers Endgame, for example, is defined as "a film scored by Alan Silvestri" not in the lede, but rather, where it is relevant -- i.e., when discussing the film's music. Since the article contains a section dedicated to its music, the category is demonstrably a defining category within the article's structure as a whole. I'm seeing little reason why video games should be treated differently here. Phediuk (talk) 12:33, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Chapter-based game

Latest comment: 2 years ago6 comments5 people in discussion

Hi. This point may already have been raised, but it came to mind with a recent edit to Dead Space, removing the term "chapter-based" from the lead because, and I quote the edit summary "Every game has chapter based narrative . No need to mention "chapter based"!!!!". Regardless of the tone, this got me thinking. I'd used "chapter-based" in this context because the game's spaceship environment isn't a single interconnected environment, but levels dictated by story events. I realise several games use "chapter" in its narrative sense, but there are a number of games that don't have chapter-based narrative as far as I can see. I think it's a point that needs discussion so we have a reference for the future. Also, with this in mind, would "level-based" rather than "chapter-based" be more appropriate for this kind of segmenting? --ProtoDrake (talk) 09:56, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Agree that "chapter-based" is not a well-defining feature (though may be useful in defining gameplay, such as "the player can repeat any chapter through a quick play menu once completed."-type stuff). "episodic-based" is different only because that is defining the release schedule and essential to the game's structure. --Masem (t) 11:47, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
Hmm, I'd remove it from the lead as well, simply because "chapter-based", to me, does not imply separated levels dictated by story events, and you'd need a longer bit of text to define what you mean. "Level-based" is better, in that it says it has levels instead of being a continuous world, but that still doesn't say whether level 2 starts where level 1 ends or if they're completely disconnected in space like, say, Doom Eternal. You might be able to do it with clever wording, but "level-based" on its own doesn't do it. --PresN 12:04, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
Discrete levels dictated by story events is the first thing that comes to mind when I see "chapter-based", and I find it hard to think of any other definition that would make sense in the context of video games. Nonetheless, I agree that the term's meaning isn't necessarily obvious to a general reader, and it's not a defining enough characteristic for the lead. Better mentioned in the gameplay coverage. Martin IIIa (talk) 18:08, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
What exactly are you trying to source? When I edited Judgment (video game), I only cited one website for a big mark of the story. For the character Takayuki Yagami from the same game, I never thought about citing the chapter, as I instead combined some early quotes like how GameFaqs articles like Final Fantasy or Kingdom Hearts.Tintor2 (talk) 18:20, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
@Tintor2: It wasn't a question of sourcing explicitly, more word choice. It was, as mentioned above, the gameplay structure of the environments of the original Dead Space. I've opted for using levels rather than chapters as a description of its structure. --ProtoDrake (talk) 18:37, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Diary of a Camper Featured article review

Latest comment: 2 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I have nominated Diary of a Camper for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:03, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Kingdom Hearts III characters

Latest comment: 2 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

See Talk:Kingdom Hearts III#Characters for a new discussion about me trying to reduce the amount of undue weight in Kingdom Hearts III. Please join so that a consensus could be reached before another revert is made.Tintor2 (talk) 23:36, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/Sonic the Hedgehog 2/archive1

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Hi! I just wanted to let the project know that I've started a peer review for Sonic the Hedgehog 2. If anyone has time to comment, that would be greatly appreciated! JOEBRO64 16:50, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Just a reply to remind everyone. JOEBRO64 14:34, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

New Articles (April 11 to April 17)

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Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/New article announcements
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  • Judging by how I know I would react, I presume you're not interested in undertaking the responsibility of maintaining the New Article alerts code for other Wikiprojects, but this really is a valuable service. Have you considered releasing a generic "as is" version of the code for active members of other projects (with no promise of support)? I know this is presumptuous and I probably wouldn't spend a lot of effort cleaning up a version for public release, no more than is strictly necessary. Axem Titanium (talk) 19:31, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Onslaught (video game) should be moved

Latest comment: 2 years ago7 comments4 people in discussion

There is an another article named Onslaught (2009 video game). I think Onslaught (video game) should be moved to Onslaught (1989 video game). -BrownPen0 — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrownPen0 (talk • contribs) 15:17, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Having less ambiguity in the title sounds good to me. Martin IIIa (talk) 18:18, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
@BrownPen0 and Martin IIIa: Per WP:ONEOTHER, we should be careful to make such a move when hatnotes (like currently existing) are sufficient and I think the 1989 video game is probably the primary topic anyway. I suggest you start a requested move on the talk page if you still think the move is a good idea. Regards SoWhy 19:36, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
WP:ONEOTHER (and policies relating to primary topics in general) applies to the base name, so it has no relevance here. Even if there were more than two video games named Onslaught, we wouldn't create a separate disambiguation page at Onslaught (video game); everything with the name Onslaught is covered at one disambiguation page, Onslaught. Martin IIIa (talk) 17:52, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
requested move placed on the talk page. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 18:05, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
@BrownPen0@Martin IIIa@SoWhy PerryPerryD Talk To Me 19:16, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
@Martin IIIa: Strictly speaking, yes, but base names can also be more general disambig suffixes. While we wouldn't create a a new DAB at Onslaught (video game), we would have to redirect it to Onslaught, which is basically, if not literally, the same outcome. Regards SoWhy 07:13, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Tomodachi Life

Latest comment: 2 years ago6 comments3 people in discussion

Hello. I am looking for advice on what should be added to this article. This article has recieved a GA Review, but I would also like the general opinion so I can make this article the best it can be. Thank you. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 19:19, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

The Development section seems a little sparse, there is nothing from the game's actual developers in Japan. If there is some sort of interview out there you should look for it.
I'd also condense the same-sex relationship part into a paragraph rather than a section. I agree it was an unfortunate omission, and it was tone deaf to call its inclusion "social commentary", but characterizing it as a "controversy" seems to be WP:UNDUE. There was nothing they did that was particularly insulting to anyone. Rather, more general information about the critics' impressions of the game should be added instead to make the reception more balanced, as right now it is largely devoted to that subject. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:05, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
@Zxcvbnm the develop information here is sparse, mostly coming from Bill Trinin, So I am unable to find many sources on the development of Tomodachi Life other than what is already there. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 19:19, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
Here is a very long development interview for Tomodachi Life that I found. [13] It is notable that the creator Yoshio Sakamoto who largely worked on the Metroid series before that, moonlights making a pretty wide variety of "casual" games for Nintendo (before going back to produce Metroid Dread, lol). Here is another smaller interview. [14]
The reception can also stand to be significantly improved. While the lions share of coverage in the West is about the marriage issue (to the point where some reviewers spend half the review griping about it), there are some more balanced reviews. Like one in the New York Times [15], USGamer [16], Kill Screen [17] etc. Things about the rest of the game could be explained in more detail. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:53, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
Echoing what *slides finger on the bottom of the keyboard* said above, WP:DUE weight applies here. I would paraphrase a few of the critical opinions on the matter, but in the end of the day they're all pretty much saying the same thing in this situation. I would organize a paragraph or two like "Problem->Audience response->Critical response->Nintendo's answer->Audience and critical response to Nintendo's answer. Panini! • 🥪 03:12, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
Heya! I believe I have performed your suggestions on the article. how is it now? PerryPerryD Talk To Me 17:40, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Assistance with new article

Latest comment: 2 years ago8 comments4 people in discussion

Hello! I've created a draft for the video game "The Planet Crafter". Based on an initial search, it appears to be notable, albeit probably a tad WP:TOOSOON (mainly because Metacritic doesn't actually have a rating for it yet). I've gotten it started already with an infobox, however I haven't been able to get much more done. It's currently located at Draft:The Planet Crafter (The word "The" appears to be part of the title based on my research) if you want to help. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 16:26, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Please remember there is already a backlog of numerous years on WP:VG/R. If you are going to ask for assistance on it, better get to the back of the line. (Not trying to say it is undeserving of assistance, just saying that it would likely be better to WP:DIY especially if you are passionate about it). ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:39, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
My apologies. Taking a look at that, it looks like that page is for requesting articles to be created, however I don't think making a request there would be correct considering I've already created the draft. And also I've seen other people request help with articles here as well which is why I did so. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
There's no article here yet, and no sourcing. It's not really assistance so much as asking for someone ask to make the article. -- ferret (talk) 18:07, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
I see it more as asking for help with creating the article. I see it more so as a team-project, and not simply asking someone else to do it. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 18:09, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
The point is no real work has been done yet, and WP:VG/R is full of such requests. Actually VG/R requires sourcing to be presented, and the draft lacks that currently. -- ferret (talk) 18:26, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Really? I was not aware of this, or WP:VG/R in general actually. Thanks for the advice for the future :) PerryPerryD Talk To Me 18:27, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Yes that is exactly what I"m trying to go for. I'm not trying to get someone to do all the work for me. I'm planning on getting some sources soon. I just wanted to get some basic stuff on there before adding some sources. Like I said, it might be a little bit WP:TOOSOON since Metacritic hasn't scored it yet, but from the initial search I did it does seem to be notable. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:35, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Sonic Origns

Latest comment: 2 years ago7 comments6 people in discussion

i have made a new article and it really needs a cleanup. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheSecondComing10 (talk • contribs) 18:41, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Sonic Origins already exists. Honestly, your article should be marked for speedy deletion. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 18:44, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
While i agree on the speedy deletion, I believe that the CSD used may be inaccurate. This seems more like A10. I may be wrong however. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 18:54, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
My bad, didn't see A10 when selecting the CSD tag. Fixing now. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:55, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Deleted. You...didn't even manage to spell the games name right. Please take more care in editing Wikipedia in the future. Sergecross73 msg me 19:00, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
origns PerryPerryD Talk To Me 19:01, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Deleted the re-created redirect. Please don't create redirects for typos. -- ferret (talk) 19:20, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Usage of Japanese info in English-based video games

Latest comment: 2 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Angeldeb82 and I are currently in the middle of a discussion that requires a third opinion regarding the usage of Japanese release dates in the article Archer Maclean's Mercury. You can add your 2 cents here. The discussion may result in adding additional clarity to the MOSVGBlue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 04:22, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Opinions needed at Talk:Forza (series)#Requested move 4 April 2022

Latest comment: 2 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

There has been a move discussion going on for a while but so far it has gotten very little participation, especially from anyone new to the discussion. Opinions are needed on whether the game series is the primary topic for the word Forza. I should note that there is no other page on Wikipedia that only uses the word Forza as its title. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:56, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

New Articles (April 18 to April 24)

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