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How to mispronounce Japanese

Fujiwara starts by telling the reader:

Fujiwara /fuːdʒiːˈwɑːrə/ (written: 藤原 lit. "Wisteria field") is a Japanese surname.

"Food-gee-war-uh"? That's some pronunciation guide! How about:

Fujiwara (Japanese pronunciation: [ɸɯʑiwaɾa], written: 藤原 lit. "Wisteria field") is a Japanese surname. In English conversation it is likely to be rendered as /fuːdʒiːˈwɑːrə/.

Or would this break some guideline? (Even for English, I don't think that the /d/ is necessary. English monoglots have no trouble distinguishing between "leisure" and "ledger".) -- Hoary (talk) 07:35, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Done. -- Hoary (talk) 03:17, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Source help

I'm helping my friend with our article on Sumiko Mizukubo, but I couldn't find any sources on the subject in English. Could someone verify that this source can be used to support the statement She quit film-acting in 1935, after a suicide attempt, due to problems in her marriage, but continued to dance and appear in stage roles. please? –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 04:29, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

@Nihonjoe: I have been told on WP:Discord that you may be able to help identify the reliability of this source. I hate asking for help like this, but please help. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 04:40, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm not Nihonjoe and can't speak for him, but I note that the web page is a chatty sort of affair that claims to be based to some (all? little?) extent on an actual book, 『映画論叢 水久保澄子の悲劇』（丹野達弥著、出版社：星雲社; and shown at the top of the web page）, but that the web page is actually written up by this person. I think it (the web page, not the book) is very feeble as a source for a Wikipedia article. Sorry I can't be more encouraging. -- Hoary (talk) 10:54, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

@MJL: It does appear the article/post is based mostly on that book, with some quoting of tweets throughout. It does support the quote you mentioned. It gives off the vibe of something you'd read in Variety or the Hollywood Reporter. I'm not sure who 星野星子 is. Outside of the link posted by Hoary, I'm not finding much about them. So, the article is written based on a likely-reliable source, but the article is on a blog by someone who is apparently not notable. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:01, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

@Nihonjoe and Hoary: [Thank you for the ping] Hmm.. Any ideas where I might find a source with more reliability then? –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 18:21, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

@MJL: The magazine (yes, it's a magazine issue, not a book: 映画論叢 July 2002 issue, though it also has an ISBN) is a reliable source. It may be hard to find in the States, though. It's available on Amazon.co.jp and you can see the contents of the issue here. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 19:25, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Well, it's a magazine-book hybrid; though Nihonjoe is right: if it must be described as one or other of magazine and book, then it's a magazine. CiNii shows a mere three copies among all its (mostly academic) participating libraries. CiNii also shows no other book with Mizukubo's name (水久保澄子) in its title; and, outside this magazine-book, no article with her name in its title. I wouldn't infer from this that no book or (substantial) article devoted to her exists; but if it exists then it won't be easy to find. -- Hoary (talk) 23:18, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Get on! Kyoto City Subway

Hello experts on Japan! The above draft article is waiting to be reviewed at WP:AFC. Some of the references are in Japanese. Can someone here take a look? —Anne Delong (talk) 13:08, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

The cited Guardian piece says (of course in English): It’s so normal nowadays to see manga characters used in advertisements such as this one for the Kyoto subway. I can't see anything remarkable/notable about the subject of the draft, but I hesitate to condemn it as I'm blind to the charms of manga. -- Hoary (talk) 09:08, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

I think it's okay. I can't find any mistranslation and wrong pronunciation for characters and actors.--Akiyama(tentative) (talk) 13:24, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Both Kyoto Municipal Subway and Kyoto Municipal Transportation Bureau are quite short. I'm not sure a separate article is necessary. However, the information could be added to either or both of those articles. Dekimasuよ! 03:46, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Artcle for Mickie Yoshino, Japanese Rock Band "Godiego"'s leader.

Dear Sir/Madam:

I created a page of Mickie Yoshino, a famous Japanese Musician. The leader of Godiego, which created soundtracks for BBC TV film "Monkey!" in 1970s. Once I submitted the page and was declined, the reason was "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources.". Then I update the contents and re-submitted in May. [1] https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Mickie_Yoshino#Godiego But after that, the submission was not been reviewed. I've worked with Godiego member for more than ten years, and I examined this contents as much as possible. Could somebody please help me with your advice? I am not good at English, so I apologize in advance if there's any impoliteness.

Sincerely, Earthmatics (talk) 13:19, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

@Earthmatics: It looks like the article submission was approved on 18 September 2019 and moved to Mickie Yoshino. It needs a bit more cleanup, but it's a good start. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 00:59, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Factcheck request, clothing

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  A modern divided hakama structure
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  A traditional (narrow-loom) divided hakama structure
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  An undivided hakama structure
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  Folding a kimono
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  Folding a kosode
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  Structure of a kosode

I just uploaded these files. They are based on some research done for costumes for a play set in historical Japan. I am no expert on this subject and I would really appreciate anyone more knowledgeable looking them over and checking both images and captions for accuracy. HLHJ (talk) 19:56, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

My kimono-folding informant is in a hurry, HLHJ, so I only asked her about folding a kimono. She doesn't fold the collar in; however, she agrees with the rest of what you show. And googling 着物 たたみ方 (ie kimono how-to-fold) and then looking at images provides lots of illustrations of your folding sequence (complete with folding in the collar). -- Hoary (talk) 13:28, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, Hoary! I could add a bit to say that folding the collar is optional, but I'm not sure how to do that in a language-neutral way. A fork in the path? A collar-out version would be easy, if she'd prefer that. I would welcome non-expert comments on comprehensibility as well. I have just found ja:Wikipedia:Help for Non-Japanese Speakers, so I'm cross-posting there too. HLHJ (talk) 03:22, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:Nintendo for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Nintendo is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Nintendo until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:23, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Japan

Proposal to delete all portals

The discussion is at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Proposal to delete Portal space. Voceditenore (talk) 07:59, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

List of Japanese terms mistaken for gairaigo

I have nominated this article for deletion. Please comment in the AfD discussion. Imaginatorium (talk) 18:23, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Clean-up on music-related articles

There is currently a discussion on whether to merge Hello Pro Kenshusei and Hello! Project Kids to Hello! Project at Talk:Hello! Project#Merger proposal. Also, there is a discussion on whether to merge Morning Musume auditions to Morning Musume at Talk:Morning Musume#Merger proposal. Your feedback is appreciated. lullabying (talk) 17:03, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

"Erroneous press conference"

Maud_de_Boer-Buquicchio#Erroneous_press_conference_at_Tokyo looks problematic, in several ways. Could somebody else please consider this? (There are other demands on my time.) -- Hoary (talk) 04:20, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Seeing no signs of interest here (let alone edits there), I did this. -- Hoary (talk) 03:19, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

I had a quick go at tidying it. The article content is a bit unbalanced; she must have done something other than hold one press conference... HLHJ (talk) 22:00, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Belated thanks, HLHJ. It seems that the biographee made a mistake in a direction that was unflattering for certain aspects of Japan, and that a Japanese politician complained that she had impugned the dignity of Japan (which is the kind of complaint that Japanese politicians like to make). If the complaint isn't much commented on, I don't see how it's worth the attention of an encyclopedia. The article has since undergone this dubious edit: note the hysterical title of the cited source (a product of some US "think tank"). -- Hoary (talk) 08:52, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

See Talk:Maud de Boer-Buquicchio for further discussion. HLHJ (talk) 00:56, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Japanese name order

Given the recent announcement in Japan regarding name order in official English documents (e.g., see [1] from 09/06/2019), is there any desire to revisit the discussion at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Japan-related articles/Name order? Or just retain the status quo unless it becomes clear that the change has "taken" in a widespread manner? — Myasuda (talk) 00:01, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

• @Myasuda: The link to the article doesn't work. I think we should open this discussion once changes have become more widespread, as it's currently too early to tell how effective this policy will be. lullabying (talk) 17:00, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Agree. No need to rush this. For reference, here's a working (as of 09/29/2019) link to another article on the topic [2]. — Myasuda (talk) 21:05, 29 September 2019 (UTC)