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Is Kanbun a Pidgin language

Basically, the Wikipedia page about Kanbun says that it is a creole or a pidgin, based on a single source, in Japanese, titled "'Kundoku' as a Pidgin-Creole Language". I can't read or even access that source. Based on the rest of the article, Kanbun Kundoku seems to be a way of annotating Chinese writing so it can be more easily understood by Japanese people. This can't be a creole and, although one source I found online described "simplification", it really doesn't sound like a pidgin either. Could I edit the article (and articles linking to Kanbun) to frame its pidgin status as just one author's opinion, rather than, say, the consensus of experts on the matter. I know I don't have any sources saying Kanbun isn't a pidgin, but I feel the current article gives undue weight to a single source. User:Error has already expressed skepticism on Talk:Kanbun, I'd appreciate feedback and discussion there. I'm asking this Wikiproject too since I assume there will be people who know a lot about this here. Thanks for any help beforehand. Erinius (talk) 09:15, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

I don't think either is accurate, as Kanbun isn't a natural language, it is a literary language used in writing and reading.Fulmard (talk) 20:00, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Ultimately it’s what reliable sources say it is. Canterbury Tail talk 20:07, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

The source involved is from a fairly reliable publisher but is probably not peer reviewed, for what it's worth. Dekimasuよ! 06:51, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

In 2017, an IP editor whose only edits are to add references to this idea/book was briefly active on both the Japanese Wikipedia and here. I would support the idea that mentioning this qualifies as undue weight. It's one chapter in an edited volume and while the title is somewhat polemical and can be translated in the way shown here, it can also be understood as a kind of hypothetical (e.g., "Considering [the implications of calling] kanbun a pidgin/creole language"). Overall, the analysis would have to depend upon a redefinition of "pidgin" and "creole" to incorporate this niche case at the very least, so on balance I would support removal. Dekimasuよ! 06:49, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Arama Japan

Can anyone definitively tell me what the Japan Project's stance on Arama Japan as a source is? To the best of my knowledge it's a fan blog/fan-run site, nowhere near being a reliable or high quality source, and generally shouldn't be used on WP. Based on the few instances in the past that I can recall of it cropping up in conversations on BLP talk pages, as well as some music related ones, and the opinions of the editors in those discussions, I'm inclined to believe this is still the case. A quick search on WP shows 400 instances of it being cited at present, however, this talk page's archives don't contain any discussion(s) about it. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 03:48, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

I have never heard of this site before, but their "About" and "Staff" pages say the site is run by volunteers and that the creators are university students outside of Japan. To me, this means it is WP:USERGENERATED and would therefore be deprecated, although their material may derive from other reliable sources. Dekimasuよ! 04:57, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

I thought the same, but recently saw someone say it's an acceptable/notable source in an FAC review due to it being cited by an actual high quality source, so I wanted additional input before bringing it up. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 16:41, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Transl help

Could someone please translate this article title "『レコ大』各賞受賞者決定 "2連覇"狙うLiSA 新人賞にINI&特別賞にAdoら" for me? The best version I have (out of all the translators I tried) so far is "LiSA, aiming for a second consecutive win, and INI and Ado, who won the Newcomer Award and the Special Award, respectively, were selected as winners of the "Rekodai" awards", but I think it's a bit off since the article announced confirmed winners, and "aiming for" makes it sound like winners weren't decided yet. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 16:41, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

The "top winners" had been chosen, but they hadn't yet been announced. What's on the top of the page is the list of "Excellent Songs Awards" and "New Artist Awards" (basically nominees) out of which a "very best song" (the 日本レコード大賞, the Grand Prix record) and "Best New Artist Award" (最優秀新人賞) were selected. In the other categories there was no distinction between getting nominated and winning the "best" prize. I would translate this as, "Winners of the 'Japan Record Awards' Selected: LiSA Seeks a Grand Prix Repeat; INI Among the New Artist Awardees, and Ado Among the Special Award Recipients". Maybe that is a little too violent depending on the context, but that's the meaning. Dekimasuよ! 14:31, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

It's for the 'trans-title' parm in a citation on a "List of awards and nom received by..." article so what you put is fine with me. Thank you again for the assistance! -- Carlobunnie (talk) 17:26, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi non Japanese person nor japan otaku

Here asking if you guys know any good Japanese sites that talk about music more specifically rock like tube especially because I’m trying to improve the articles on Japanese guitarist starting with michiya haruhata and i am so far unable to find any sites for say rankings or total sales Goldsoldier75 (talk) 18:57, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi does this project have any music element to it

Does it have some kind of sub project which i can join in with to work on Japanese music articles Thanks Goldsoldier75 (talk) 19:51, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

There are several projects on English Wikipedia that focus of music, I'd recomend you check out Wikipedia:WikiProject Rock music.★Trekker (talk) 20:11, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks bro this is still like my first few hours editing so i don't have any clue what im doing Goldsoldier75 (talk) 20:31, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

No problem. Good luck with your editing.★Trekker (talk) 21:15, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks man good luck on what ever you may be doing now and in the future Goldsoldier75 (talk) 21:51, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi need a translation

Hi I am aware that I’m constantly asking a lot of this project but I’m really hoping with the help of some of you project members we can fix a lot of the problems with Japanese music pages so I have something I need for you guys to translate Talk:Kono Chikyū no Heiwa o Honki de Negatterun Da yo! / Kare to Issho ni Omise ga Shitai! Goldsoldier75 (talk) 07:31, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Goldsoldier75 (talk) 07:31, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Translation request

Please, can you help me to translate these pages from Japanese to English: Ise Yoshimori, Kataoka Tsuneharu, Kamei Shigekiyo, Suruga Jirō, Washio Yoshihisa, Bizen Heishirō, Karasumaru family. The last one is about a Japanese noble family, while the all others are Yoshitsune's servants and are very important even because they appeared in many tv series or movies. Thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.244.230.218 (talk) 09:52, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Yoshitsune (TV series)

Please, can you help me to find if Inoue Hachiro (井家八郎) from Ataka checkpoint in episode 47 was a real-life person or a fictional character? Thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.207.220.53 (talk) 17:03, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi are then any English and Japanese speakers who would be willing to work with me

Hi I’m a rather new and inexperienced editor but I’m trying to improve a lot of Asian music articles but particularly Asian rock and Japanese music once again particularly of the rock variety and it can be hard to find reliable sources on j-rock bands and artists in English so I was hoping to find an collaborator experience or not who could help me with finding reliable sources to get a lot of my information from but more particularly translating news articles I find into English as well as if at all possible finding pictures of largely obscure j-rock artists to use for their wikis, If at all interested in working with me please Contact me on my user page. Thanks Goldsoldier75 (talk) 16:22, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Wikimedia ESEAP Conference 2022 on November 18-20 in Sydney, Australia

The Wikimedia East, South East Asia and the Pacific also known as ESEAP will be having an in-person conference in Sydney, Australia on November 18-20. ESEAP is a regional collaborative composed of nationalities & Wikimedia affiliates of Indonesia, Taiwan, Australia, Korea, Thailand, Philippines, Malaysia, Myanmar, New Zealand, Hong Kong, and Vietnam. Membership also include nationalities and informal communities of Brunei, Cambodia, China, Japan, Laos, Macau, Mongolia, Papua New Guinea, Singapore, and Timor Leste.

The goals for the conference are:

• Strategic discussions: ESEAP Hub governance, process of moving from an informal group to more formal structure aligned with the Hubs/Minimum Criteria for Pilots
• Partnership, Tools & Skills: Outreach and community collaboration support networks; building a network of skill sets so that communities in the region can provide extra outreach support and collaboration across the region; and
• Leadership development through building networks that encourage new and wider diversity of participants to enable future growth

For more information, please visit the conference page.

Scholarship application (subsidized air fare, accommodation, and relevant fees) is ongoing. You may go to the scholarship page to know more. Deadline for scholarship application is on 24 July (Sunday) at 12:00 UTC (see your local time) .

We also call for volunteers to the following committees:

• Scholarship committee
• Program submissions review committee
• Communications committee
• Onsite & technical volunteers

For inquiries, please reach us at eseap.confwikimedia.org.au.

Thank you! --Exec8 (talk) 04:46, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Japan as a candidate for Wikimania, the international Wikipedia conference

Japan is selected as one of the two venue location finalists by the East, Southeast Asia and the Pacific (ESEAP) Wikimedia community to be the candidate venue of Wikimania 2023, the the international Wikipedia conference. The other location is Singapore. The Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) and ESEAP will host the event. Wikimedia Foundation will manage the logistics and will contract a local event organizer for the onsite needs of the conference. We appreciate your voice be known and vote for its ratification. Please go to Wikimania 2023 country choice meta-wiki link or w.wiki/5SFv to know more and participate in the discussion. Voting is open to the community until 12:01 JST 17 July 2022, Sunday. Thank you! --Exec8 (talk) 04:52, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Netsuke masters

User @Gryffindor: drew my attention to this page: Sōken Kishō‎, concerning a (very) old book listing netsuke masters. I corrected some Hepburn errors, and tidied up a bit, but there are some doubtful bits in the only source cited - at least one, the omission of 'ya' from 大黒屋, surely an error in the source. The problem is there is no easy way to crosscheck any of this, and I honestly cannot personally see the point of an article which is almost entirely a list of the contents of a single book, a list which really cannot mean anything to anyone who cannot read Japanese, surely. So I ask if anyone else would like to have a look. Imaginatorium (talk) 08:27, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Osaka Castle

There is the story about gold steal from this castle by Kajisuke (梶助) in 1740. Please, can you write the complete story from a translation of these Japanese sites: 1, 2, 3. Thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.5.238.181 (talk) 07:52, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Which person is this talking about?

This The New York Times stated that a "Tokugawa Yoshihisa", the "late shogoon" was wrongly called "Stotbashi" in previous articles because the journalists mistook his title for his actual name. But I can't find a shogun with the name "Tokugawa Yoshihisa" (the Tokugawa Yoshihisa (德川 慶久) I'm aware of is an heir to the last shogun

• "JAPAN". The New York Times. 1868-07-16.

Also I notice this source says Tokugawa Yoshihisa was the last shogun. I think if these old articles are mistaking him for Tokugawa Yoshinobu, this should be clarified. WhisperToMe (talk) 15:51, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Prefectural governors' names from Japan (Years 1871-1912)

Hello, fellow Wikipedians, this is 103.163.231.189 asking you to help expand the articles from the years by adding in the prefectural governor's name from Japan from the articles of the years 1871 to 1912 (look below to see the prefectural governors names and the years), if you can't talk to me talk to another user to help the user expand the articles from the years 1871 to 1912 by adding in the prefectural governors' names from Japan, please, thank you.103.163.231.189 (talk) 20:39, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

---Years in Japan--- 1871 in Japan 1872 in Japan 1873 in Japan 1874 in Japan 1876 in Japan 1877 in Japan 1879 in Japan 1882 in Japan 1884 in Japan 1885 in Japan 1886 in Japan 1887 in Japan 1890 in Japan 1891 in Japan 1892 in Japan 1893 in Japan 1894 in Japan 1895 in Japan 1896 in Japan 1897 in Japan 1898 in Japan 1899 in Japan 1900 in Japan 1901 in Japan 1902 in Japan 1903 in Japan 1904 in Japan 1905 in Japan 1906 in Japan 1907 in Japan 1908 in Japan 1909 in Japan 1910 in Japan 1911 in Japan 1912 in Japan

---Governors---

• Aichi Prefecture: [[]]
• Akita Prefecture: [[]]
• Aomori Prefecture: [[]]
• Ehime Prefecture: [[]]
• Fukui Prefecture: [[]]
• Fukushima Prefecture: [[]]
• Gifu Prefecture: [[]]
• Gunma Prefecture: [[]]
• Hiroshima Prefecture: [[]]
• Ibaraki Prefecture: [[]]
• Iwate Prefecture: [[]]
• Kagawa Prefecture: [[]]
• Kanagawa Prefecture: [[]]
• Kochi Prefecture: [[]]
• Kyoto Prefecture: [[]]
• Mie Prefecture: [[]]
• Miyagi Prefecture: [[]]
• Miyazaki Prefecture: [[]]
• Nagano Prefecture: [[]]
• Niigata Prefecture: [[]]
• Okinawa Prefecture: [[]]
• Oita Prefecture: [[]]
• Osaka Prefecture: [[]]
• Saga Prefecture: [[]]
• Saitama Prefecture: [[]]
• Shiga Prefecture: [[]]
• Shiname Prefecture: [[]]
• Shizuoka Prefecture: [[]]
• Tochigi Prefecture: [[]]
• Tokushima Prefecture: [[]]
• Tokyo: [[]]
• Toyama Prefecture: [[]]
• Yamagata Prefecture: [[]]
• Yamaguchi Prefecture: [[]]

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Japan's Prefectural Governors

Requesting Feedback

Hello, I have created two pages related to Japanese business. One is a Japanese CMS company, Draft: Kenja K.K., and the other is the company's CEO, Draft: Ted Katagi. I would really appreciate any feedback I can get to improve the articles so that they can be reviewed and accepted for publishing as my first two page creation contributions to Wikipedia. Thank you for your time and I hope to hear back from the the team! Alexandra Bowes-Lyon (talk) 02:01, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Article in need of attention

The article Persian manuscript in Japan is a mess (beginning with the title) and I am unable to fix it up. It is unclear to me what the images are even supposed to show. Srnec (talk) 22:33, 29 July 2022 (UTC)