User talk:Warofdreams/2008/01-03
Special:Userrights
editAre there instructions on how to use Special:Userrights? And is that replacing Special:Makesysop? Or can I still use Special:Makesysop? Kingturtle (talk) 00:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Template:Politics of Northern Ireland 1972-98
editThanks for adding the links to the template.--Padraig (talk) 01:28, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Essay as article 1345
edit02-Jan-2008: I'm not sure you've seen the "Talk:1345" for reworked article "1345" (they moved the original to "1345_timeline"). It is yet another concept for what yearly articles should be: this time an extensive description of ongoing wars, plus "minor" undated cultural events, with almost no track of the day (or month) in which those events occurred. I think the attempted "new approach to year articles" will fail on its own; however, it again raises the growth of wiki-chaos, discussed below. -Wikid77 (talk) 21:08, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Controlling wiki-chaos
edit02-Jan-2008: The reliance on "concensus" has fallen away, as multiple groups of friends or relatives pull WP in divergent directions, mostly as surprise attacks on re-writing articles. Some of the surprises are coming from "Citizendium" which has used Wikipedia to totally rewrite some articles before uploading them over there. As in many forms of government, chaos and mobocracy have been controlled by enforcing a controlling structure as laws and regulations, enforced by various levels of authorities or policing groups. WP articles, especially article sets (such as year-articles), need some regulations defined (in writing) as to how articles are structured, related, and which articles are part of the regulated set. It would be great if watchdog policing of regulated articles could be monitored by bot programs, treating violations of subheader structure as "semi-vandalism" of the regulated format. Anyway, the year-articles are always in a chaotic state of flux, and I cannot get all of them reformatted to any set standard before the previous articles begin being hacked into some new concept of "years" as a topic. This is the beginning of the end: wiki-chaos will grow to continually reformat related articles or cause "replacement wars" far beyond reverting just a few paragraphs in articles: the entire articles will be replaced with alternate "scholarship" on the subject. I suspect you have seen this happening, as well: "search engine" has quickly become radically different, but at least in a logical manner. I just wanted to remind you of the predicted future, and what could be done to lessen the growing chaos. -Wikid77 (talk) 21:08, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Template glitch
editTemplate:WPSI is based on Template:WP Scotland but whilst the latter provides a list of comments at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Scotland articles by quality/1 the former resolutely refuses to do so at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Scottish Islands articles by quality/1. There is, for example, a test comment left on Talk:Lunga, Firth of Lorn that is not picked up. This is neither important nor urgent but if you could either take a look at it or suggest someone who could I'd be grateful. All the best for 2008. Ben MacDuiTalk/Walk 21:27, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Volapük again
editHi Warofdreams. Perhaps you've already noticed that there is a new proposal against the Volapük Wikipedia: m:Proposals for closing projects/Radical cleanup of Volapük Wikipedia. In case you agree that this is not a good proposal for vo.wp, perhaps you could help us fight against it by casting your vote? Thanks! --Smeira 00:15, 3 oct 2008
Meetup
editHi there, I noticed you expressed interest in the Birmingham meetup last October. Just letting you know, another UK meetup is in planning stages, here. We need input on where and when we will meet so comments would be much appreciated. Thanks. Majorly (talk) 16:49, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi WoD! I tagged the article with {{notability|date=January 2008}} but it was quickly removed by User:Faz2105 after a slight amount of text was added. He seems to be creating the timetables on all sorts of Bus company articles (500 edits). At least that article isn't as bad as First Manchester or First Leeds. :-) Richard Harvey (talk) 22:04, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you. :0) Richard Harvey (talk) 09:29, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
I have placed a query on the Talkpage of the article about the inclusion of timetable and services. I wondered if you may like to add some thoughts on the subject? Richard Harvey (talk) 11:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
2005 election template
editPlease see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/British Public Party for deletion discussion, cheers Tom (talk) 21:59, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Notability of small political parties
editNo worries, thanks for having a look. I thought i'd be tidying-up by removing the last two red links from the template, so much wikilawyering nowadays. I think it would be worthwhile reducing the table to just those parties that got more than a thousand votes, it's a nice round number; but that's is up to you. Why are you so interested in the micro-parties? I was surprised to learn a few months ago that the Monster Raving Loony Pary had councillors! Tom (talk) 00:01, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
General secretaries
editGood work on that! I was going to have a look through Harbinson for that, but never really got a chance.Traditional unionist (talk) 13:43, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
RfA thanks
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Thank you for voting in my RfA, which which passed nem. con. with 45 support, 0 oppose, and 0 neutral. Thank you for your support and all the kind words that were expressed. I will try to live up to the trust placed in me by the community. I now have my homework to do and then pass the Marigolds. |
- I am very grateful for your support. Cheers.
- Kbthompson (talk) 16:02, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
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I am leaving you this message because recent events have given me concern. When Aaron Brenneman and I, and others, first developed this category well over a year ago, we visualized it as a simple idea. A low hassle, low bureaucracy process. We also visualized it as a process that people would come to trust, in fact as a way of increasing trust in those admins who chose to subscribe to the notion of recall. The very informal approach to who is qualified to recall, what happens during it, and the process in general were all part of that approach. But recent events have suggested that this low structure approach may not be entirely effective. More than one of the recent recalls we have seen have been marred by controversy around what was going to happen, and when. Worse, they were marred by some folk having the perception, rightly or wrongly, that the admin being recalled was trying to change the rules, avoid the process, or in other ways somehow go back on their word. This is bad. It's bad for you the admin, bad for the trust in the process, and bad for the community as a whole. I think a way to address this issue is to increase the predictability of the process in advance. I have tried to do that for myself. In my User:Lar/Accountability page, I have given pretty concrete definitions of the criteria for recall, and of the choices I can make, and of the process for the petition, and of the process for other choices I might make (the modified RfC or the RfAr). I think it would be very helpful if other admins who have voluntarily made themselves subject to recall went to similar detail. It is not necessary to adopt the exact same conditions, steps, criteria, etc. It's just helpful to have SOME. Those are mine, fashion yours as you see fit, I would not be so presumptuous as to say mine are right for you. In fact I urge you not to just adopt mine, as I do change them from time to time without notice, but instead develop your own. You are very welcome to start with mine if you so wish, though. But do something. If you have not already, I urge you to make your process more concrete, now, while there is no pressure and you can think clearly about what you want. Do it now rather than later, during a recall when folk may not react well to perceived changes in process or commitment. Further, I suggest that after you document your process, that you give a reference to it for the benefit of other admins who may want to see what others have done. List it in this table as a resource for the benefit of all. If you use someone else's by reference rather than copy, I suggest you might want to do as Cacharoth did, and give a link to a specific version. Do you have to do these things? Not at all. These are suggestions from me, and me alone, and are entirely up to you to embrace or ignore. I just think that doing this now, thinking now, documenting now, will save you trouble later, if you should for whatever reason happen to be recalled. I apologise if this message seems impersonal, but with over 130 members in the category, leaving a personal message for each of you might not have been feasible, and I feel this is important enough to violate social norms a bit. I hope that's OK. Thanks for your time and consideration, and best wishes. Larry Pieniazek NOTE: You are receiving this message because you are listed in the Wikipedia administrators open to recall category. This is a voluntary category, and you should not be in it if you do not want to be. If you did not list yourself, you may want to review the change records to determine who added you, and ask them why they added you. |
...My guinea pigs and the "A"s through "S"s having felt this message was OK to go forward with (or at least not complained bitterly to me about it :) ), today it's the turn of the "T"s through "Z"s (and beyond, apparently)! I'm hoping that more of you chaps/chapettes will point to their own criteria instead of mine :)... it's flattering but a bit scary! :) Also, you may want to check back to the table periodically, someone later than you in the alphabet may have come up with a nifty new idea. ++Lar: t/c 20:54, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Respect article
editAs you've expressed an interest in the section of the Respect article dealing with "communalism", I wonder if you could take a look at the most recent revision (which removed my changes to the section), and comments by myself and Duncan on the talk page. Would be useful to get a third party's opinion. Thanks. Piquant (talk) 17:11, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
DYK
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| Congratulations! Here's a medal for you in appreciation of your hardwork in creating, expanding (and nominating) 25+ articles for DYK. Keep up the good work - sorry it took a while. Well done again, WarofDreams! --Victuallers (talk) 17:28, 11 January 2008 (UTC) |
A note of thanks
editJust wanted to thank you for contacting Fred Bauder regarding that reCAPTCHA business. It never occurred to me to look for him on Wikipedia. Thanks again.
--71.178.65.85 (talk) 20:39, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Stormont constituencies
editHello again warofdreams, I noticed that you've added the Stormont constituencies to the 1972 disestablishments category. In fact Stormont was only suspended in 1972 (supposedly for a year) so MPs continued to represent their constituents and were still referred to in the local press at the time as "MP for X" The constituencies, like the parliament, weren't officially abolished until the Northern Ireland Constitution Act 1973 which established a new assembly. By the way, good work on creating some of the articles! Valenciano (talk) 01:45, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Template:PD-UK
editHi, I see you've made changed to Template:PD-UK, 50 to 70 years. I think think the situation is rather more complicated because of Copyright,_Designs_and_Patents_Act_1988#Transitional_provisions, eg for most unknown author published works it is still effectively 50 years for now. AIUI many things published before 1 August 1989 are still under 1956 rules, often 50 years. See Schedule 1 of [1] for some more detail. But this is probably too complex to explain easily except in a few cases! Not sure what to do for the best. But I think eg Image:Tribune flier 1941.jpg, which I've just written a FU rationale for, is in fact copyright expired because of the transitional arrangements on unknown author works published in 1941. Are you enough of a copyright expert to untangle this? I have books I could look at! Rwendland (talk) 18:32, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
- Good that we have a solution for Image:Tribune flier 1941.jpg. When I have more spare time I'll look at my Copyright texts and see if there is something simple and general that can be said about unknown-author pre-1988 UK copyrights expiring after 50 years. Thanks. Rwendland (talk) 11:11, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
New county maps
editHello again! I hope all is well,
I've just completed a Image:Northamptonshire outline map with UK.png (at long last). I've been having difficulties with my version of Photoshop and Illustrator (them being trial versions) but now have premium versions. I wondered if you're still willing and able to work your magic on these maps? I only have two left for England! -- Jza84 · (talk) 01:40, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Take a look.Traditional unionist (talk) 15:25, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
- George Savage's good lady wife is called Joy. If she is also called audry this would be the same person.Traditional unionist (talk) 16:02, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
- Very likely it will be the same. There was a big controversy on Craigavon council in the late 80s which led to a number of Unionist councillors being surcharged and disqualified. Several of them were replaced as candidates by their wives. There's more details in the books by Sidney Elliott or Gordon Lucy but unfortunately I don't have them to hand. Valenciano (talk) 13:57, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- The St Peter's GAC affair. It was the 1970's when they dunnit actually, just took to the 1980's to get all the appeals out of the way! There is excellent detail in Kearney and Ryder's Drumcree book.Traditional unionist (talk) 10:26, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
- Very likely it will be the same. There was a big controversy on Craigavon council in the late 80s which led to a number of Unionist councillors being surcharged and disqualified. Several of them were replaced as candidates by their wives. There's more details in the books by Sidney Elliott or Gordon Lucy but unfortunately I don't have them to hand. Valenciano (talk) 13:57, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
So do we think FOI is adequate?Traditional unionist (talk) 12:30, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
re: backlinks
editI will try, still getting the hand of this twinkle thing. Sorry! SGGH speak! 10:22, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Many thanks for the picture. JH (talk page) 09:50, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Commiserations
editon being picked on by a robot! Talltim (talk) 12:14, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
rfa thanks
editThanks for wrapping up my rfa and enabling these trusted tools. Wow! Just look at all those extra buttons! :-) Thanks! —EncMstr 00:18, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
RfA
editAbout this; he added his comment at 00:06, while the RfA closed at 00:09. Would it be acceptable to re-add? Maybe indent it and state "this was added after the RfA's close" or something? Cheers, Master of Puppets Call me MoP!☺ 00:19, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- Well, I remember at my RfA, a vote that was cast past the close was just indented. Of course, that was a year or so ago, so policies might have changed. Anyway, I can replace the vote and indent it if you'd like; thoughts? Cheers, Master of Puppets Call me MoP!☺ 00:27, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- Alright, readded it. Thanks! Cheers, Master of Puppets Call me MoP!☺ 00:32, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
mayors
editAs per my talk page, Nick has agreed to host themTraditional unionist (talk) 23:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
user creation
editScanning the user creation log, I noticed this peculiarity. Is creating a user unrestricted? Weird that's the only thing the user has accomplished. —EncMstr 08:35, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Image:Sheffield Old Town Hall.JPG
editHello, do you mind if I resurrect this image (that you overwrote with Image:Sheffield Old Town Hall.JPG) by uploading it under another name? I would also brighten it. I think it has something to add by not having the tower cut off. (I also brightened Sheffield Old Town Hall.JPG.) Arthena(talk) 21:21, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Please note that just because Michael Farrell had made "claims" (in his own book!) does not make them true. To simply include inflammatory claims, especially of murder, when Nixon, was in fact, LEGALLY EXONERATED of any involvement in the McMahon killings (he later sued for libel) is NOT encyclopaedic. Had he not been exonerated the year of his conviction would have been mentioned by Farrell. Michael Farrell, in any event, is NOT the know-all regarding all things related to Northern Ireland, and to rely on one biased source for inflammatory comments is not OK. Let's work this out rather than have to go to an administrator for guidance. Feel free to leave a message on my talk page. Submergedinthedepths (talk) 11:24, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
- P.S. -I just wanted to add that anyone can claim anything (I can say you are a so and so in a book I write). Then to cite my book as evidence of the truth of what I called you is flawed in every way. If you can locate independent sources that can shed light on Nixon's activities and his legal exoneration, please do add them. Yours, Submergedinthedepths (talk) 11:33, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Sheffield Town Trust
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Question
editWhat is the determining factor on who passes RfA's? Thanks, just wondering!--Sallicio 02:40, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks, it makes a little more sense now, I was of the opinion that it was almost like a vote!--Sallicio 03:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Short Lead Tags
editHI WoD! I've just spotted a load of deletions of Short Lead tags by User:R. fiend. I'm not quite sure if these should be classed as vandalism or not, but in view of some of his comments in the Edit Summaries I'm inclined to think they are! See:- This one and This one. Richard Harvey (talk) 08:28, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
James Mahon
editHello, am just trying to work out why my summary, Mahon "was an MP. in the House of Commons of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland representing constituencies in county Clare from 1830 to 1891" you say was an inaccurate summary of his political career ? My intentions were well meant, I have been going through all the 80 entries in Category:IPP MPs so they all may have a relatively accurate and uniform summary introduction. This was imposed on me by other editors over a year ago when I wrote up some Irish MP's biographies, which I then fully accepted and understood. I have since been going through the list of all IPP MPs one by one, and yours was the first rebuff. I think it is a pity to supress important highlights in the introduction, that he was a Member of Parliament in the Commons is truth, or would Mahon (not just you) have found this inaccurate or an injustice ??. History is as history was, and details simply as they were, though I admit we unfortunately still have an Irish problem with historic facts even over a century later. I wonder how we might reach some concensus on a better introduction, as it stand it looks quite vague and lacking ? Greetings Osioni (talk) 20:06, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
- thanks for your points and tips, however I still feel "politician" underrates, could mean a councillor; but since he was in parliament off and on 63 years of his life, "parliamentarian" does him more justice or not ? There is also a complete difference between the later term UK(GB+NI) and the UK(GB+IRL) at that time Osioni (talk) 16:44, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Static images
editHello again!
Just a note that I believe I've effectively managed to utilise the new double static image function in the Infobox UK place at Saddleworth. I think it works well!
I do have every intention of completing the final two maps for England, just having some software issues at the moment. -- Jza84 · (talk) 01:12, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Sheffield Improvement Act 1818
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Thomas Moles
editDiscussion moved to Talk:Thomas Moles.
Worcestershire is done!
editHello there! I now have only Bedfordshire to complete (for England), having produced Image:Worcestershire outline map with UK.png for the infobox! Would you be willing and able to work your magic? -- Jza84 · (talk) 22:06, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
- Excellent! With some luck I'll have Bedfordshire done tomorrow! The whole project has taken me a year! - which is quite unbelievable! Definately a celebration... followed possibly by a simillar project for Wales, I'll have to see! -- Jza84 · (talk) 01:38, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Bureaucrat discussion - Wikipedia:Requests for bureaucratship/Riana
editHaving briefly discussed this request with Deskana and as we did not think this is a case where a lone bureaucrat should determine the outcome of the discussion, I have created a subpage to allow for bureaucrats to discuss the matter. If you have time, I would be grateful if you could review the RfB and express an opinion as to what outcome you believe is appropriate. WjBscribe 02:21, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Needs a bit of work from someone who understands the code better than me!Traditional unionist (talk) 12:02, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi Warofdreams. I've made a note about your close on this one at WP:BN. It's certainly not a criticism, but I feel it is a valid comment and would welcome your thoughts. Best. Pedro : Chat 22:30, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
- Although I did not request an explanation of your closure of this RfA, I read your explanation on the bureaucrats' noticeboard, and I just wanted to say that I found it to be very good, calm, and well-detailed. Thank you. Acalamari 01:57, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Mayors
editWhich one am I missing? Only 25 on the listTraditional unionist (talk) 14:07, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Would you note that you closed the discussion? It's unsigned at this time. Royalbroil 14:55, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- I thought it was standard practice and that you accidentally missed it. Please disregard my previous message. Royalbroil 01:46, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
UK places infobox
editPlaces in the City of London, such as Bassishaw, show the Metropolitan police as being the local police force, when it should be the City of London Police. Could you go about checking the programming please? David (talk) 00:38, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for sorting it out. David (talk) 11:06, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Fanfare please....!
editHello there!
Just a note that.... FINALLY.... I've completed the Image:Bedfordshire outline map with UK.png!!! That's the whole of England mapped! I cannot believe it!..... There are a few maps that have issues with them (like Bristol) that I intend to go back and fix (will be purely cosmetic, and won't require any re-calibration), but other than that, that's the whole project done.... well, until the 2009 structural changes to local government in England (!)...
I hope to look into something local for Wales soon, even if just a national map for the time being like Scotland and NI. Do you think you can work your magic for England one last time?? -- Jza84 · (talk) 20:36, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
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re: Adminsip (J Greb)
editThanks... - J Greb (talk) 23:06, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Ehh
editJust to clear things up are you User:DreamsthatWar? --ÐeadΣyeДrrow (Talk | Contribs) 23:22, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
- It's been suggested at WP:ANI that it's Grawp socking again. Don't know if this is so, but it sure didn't look like you! --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 00:15, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
- Yea it seemed odd to me that if a sysop was gonna turn vandal, they'd announce who they are. --ÐeadΣyeДrrow (Talk | Contribs) 00:17, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Test UK infobox
editI hadn't seen it but I'll use that if I'm doing any more tests. Thanks for the tip. Jɪmp 01:51, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Ta very much !
editThanks for the compliment on NW Sheffield articles. I've always appreciated your work within Wikiproject Sheffield. Got one or two ideas for the future. Places like Wadsley and Owlerton are old villages with quite a bit of history and I think deserve separate extended articles and not just mentioned within the electoral ward articles, I don't know what you think. I did this already with Middlewood. Regards Mick Knapton (talk) 09:22, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Spain election
editHello, first thanks for the message about David Calvert, I thought that was just an oversight. Second can you help me with creating a table or point me to someone who can? Basically I want to do a summary table of vote share per constituency for this months election but am having some problems with alignments and the like. The table I want will be something similar to this [2]. To give an example what I currently have is this
| Electoral District | PSOE-04 | PP-2004 | PSOE-08 | PP-2008 | PSOE-change | PP-change |
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| Alicante | 42.1 | 48.9 | 41.0 | 52.6 | -1.1 | +3.7 |
| Almería | 47.7 | 44.3 | 41.2 | 51.7 | -6.5 | +7.4 |
but really what I want is for the years to be out of the main fields, so I would have a line above the main parties with 2004, 2008 and change (all spanning two rows). However I can't get this to work while keeping it as a sortable table which is the whole point. Also I want the fields to be all the same width and right aligned but don't know how. Also would there be any way to make the type in the fourth and fifth fields different to distinguish it somehow? Hope all that makes sense and thanks again! Valenciano (talk) 18:18, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
- You're a legend thanks! Is there a way that I can set up a page to tinker with the table as I create it? I'm in the middle of doing it but some stuff isn't sorting as I want it to and itļl be easier to ask about stuff with real examples rather than endlessly posting giant tables on your user page. Valenciano (talk) 07:54, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
My messages
editHey
Thanks for leaving me my first message on the my talk page. I was just wondering if I'd been doing anything wrong in my edition that prompted you to send me those links? Totalitariandemocrat (talk) 01:59, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the compliment! Well looks like it'll be all out edit war on the VPUP page! (only joking). I was simply concerned with the line "The Democratic Unionist Party has since become the main hardline Unionist party that offers an alternative position to the Ulster Unionists.", as I feel it's a trifle present tense. Perhaps it'd be better to say something like "The Democratic Unionist Party then established itself as the main hardline Unionist party offering an alternative position to the Ulster Unionists following Vanguard's dissolution". But I'll leave this trivial hot potato with you. Totalitariandemocrat (talk) 02:24, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Liked your subtle change. Another wikipedia article changed for the better! Totalitariandemocrat (talk) 02:52, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Amharic wiki, request for project help
editI am marcoetio, recent contributor in Italian english, Amharic .. on Ethiopia related articles. I cherish an idea I express under here to user Llywrch -slightly edited-. Is there an internal way to elicit small seed money?
I am seriously considering pushing with my own means an effort to engender a rapid growth of the Amharic wiki. Over 60 million speakers in Ethiopia, presumably at least as many the world over: an endless well of lost knowledge, ancient culture with many, many entries to develop. A way to increase the English wiki of a good significant 20,000 entries in a few months (my guess). It is so far (wiki.am) only a very limited version of 3,000 entries, not growing. Yet there is staggering thousands, multiplying in months, who use the net in amharic, as you may guess form the downloads of amharic keyboards software, fonts... All I need is a school with ten computers and a ridiculous amount of money to pay clever students some pocket money. Then, say at 50,000 entries print them all in max 15 lines and one photo per article where available, all in one big book, to print very very cheaply in Addis, sold at 10 euros, put a copy in every village administration. Know of a better way to become Ethiopia's Voltaire? ..... What I need, I did not dare be frank, is small contributions, goodness knows from where, to pay around 20 dollars a month to young guys doing the job in a place or form their internet cafes. Possibly more to qualified supervisors. Too many engagements, money and time in Ethiopia to do this all alone. Will look around, do you know of wiki development funds, who to ask to? I mean we will also update, create whatever we put together in English, Italian etc as much as possible. -- marcoetio Marcoetio (talk) 08:49, 19 May 2008 (UTC)