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Whose Streets?

Dear Innisfree987, Thanks for the format corrections (always welcome) on the article for the "Whose Streets" documentary, but please undo your heavy-handed removal of others' sensible contributions to the article. To show the documentary's universal acclaim, you can simply add additional positive film review quotes and sources. Also, you added grammatically incorrect material which you may want to correct at the same time (e.g. "universally-positive" is not a hyphenated phrase). Putting the material back in that you removed and adding new material to reflect the "due weight" balance you seek would be preferable to my reverting your edits. Thanks. See: https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Whose_Streets%3F&diff=next&oldid=819370888 ... Christian B Martin (talk) 08:33, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Christian B Martin, as this pertains to the substance of an entry, I'll copy your message (or you can, if you like) to the talk page and reply there so that anyone interested in the entry may contribute to the discussion. Innisfree987 (talk) 15:58, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Reciprocal altruism in humans

Hi you recently passed this draft - two of the citations were to Wikipedia articles. They were easy to miss because the sources were not clearly cited but WP:WPCLEANER spotted them. I've cleaned it up but you might find this tool helpful when reviewing future drafts. SeraphWiki (talk) 23:07, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the WP:WPCLEANER tip, and for your work on the entry, SeraphWiki! Innisfree987 (talk) 23:13, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Ijeoma Oluo has been nominated for Did You Know

Hello, Innisfree987. Ijeoma Oluo, an article you either created or to which you significantly contributed,has been nominated to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page as part of Did you know. You can see the hook and the discussion here. You are welcome to participate! Thank you. APersonBot (talk!) 12:05, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

thank you for the welcome! <3

Pastelpencilcase (talk) 20:53, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, Pastelpencilcase! Welcome and please do feel free to reach out if there's anything I can help with! Happy editing! Innisfree987 (talk) 18:10, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Ijeoma Oluo

On 24 February 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ijeoma Oluo, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that after the shooting of Trayvon Martin, Seattle author Ijeoma Oluo started writing about her social concerns on a blog that she had previously devoted to food? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ijeoma Oluo. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Ijeoma Oluo), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Wet (band)

stop changing the wet page!!!! marty left the group and their new song IS a new cover, if you follow them on instagram kelly and joe said it’s a cover Wtf700 (talk) 19:22, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi there and thanks for your message. We're all eager to make Wikipedia as accurate as possible, so all reliably sourced info is very welcome: you just need to add a source beyond your personal information (Wikipedia doesn't have fact-checkers so instead, to make sure the material added is reliable as possible, we require the information be cited to a public, reliable source that any reader could check themselves. This is particularly important for information concerning living people, like who is or isn't a member of a band.) Ideally this would be a reliable secondary source (e.g. from the music press), but in this case a social media post from the band probably suffices. If you're not sure how to add a reference to Wikipedia, here's an introduction; or you can post any relevant links to the band's talk page where I will surely see it and be glad to help you add it (if another editor doesn't beat me to it).

I hope you'll stick around to contribute reliably sourced material to the encyclopedia; to that end, I want to let you know that your current username probably bumps up against policy, so to continue contributing, changing that is a good idea. You can do so here, or just make a new account (not much history lost, since this is your first edit with this account).

Hope all that helps a bit in explaining how the encyclopedia works; please let me know if you have any other questions I can help with. Happy editing, Innisfree987 (talk) 19:43, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Nominator withdrawl

Generally it is best to let the nominator withdraw their own nomination, rather than suggesting to them that they do so. Just an observation. Cheers --‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ^ᐐT₳LKᐬ 14:24, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Hey El Cid, thanks for reaching out--I really appreciate hearing your input (also much appreciate your cordiality!) If you have the time: might you be willing to elaborate on why you view this as best (or just point me toward the policy/etc. you're thinking of)? I do try to be stickler for the spirit as well as letter of these things (by chance this week I had to ask someone, contra my own keep ivote, to reopen an AFD ineligible for such a close; on this entry, I also concluded that to avoid canvassing, I could not reach out to the entry's creator with advice while the AfD was still ongoing, even though they are a brand-new student user and clearly could use more help.) It's not obvious to me, though, why it would be out of process for an editor to suggest a nomination be withdrawn. Reviewing WP:SNOW when I made the request made me feel solid community consensus was behind the preference for not wasting editor time when outcomes are clear; and ultimately saying how we think the AfD should be closed is what we're all there to do, no?

FWIW, the nom's responsiveness also ended up making a difference to me as a show of good faith. The nominator is an editor with some paid contributions and some difficulties (see the last section on that diff) about their involvement in maintenance tasks in a way that at least one other editor felt wasted volunteers' time; when I look a little further, I saw they have created at least one cosmetics entry yet nominated this one for deletion in what was really quite a misplaced way (I have been able to develop the entry so easily, I might take it to GA). This caused me some concern, and it was reassuring to see the editor rectify the situation promptly when I brought to their attention that this was also wasting community time. So I was glad I addressed it, actually. Same was true, though on a less pressing level, the only other time I've made this request (I reviewed all my AfD keep ivotes pursuant to your note)--it was a good way to straighten out that a bad nom was an honest mistake. The other person also accepted my suggestion, but they equally could have explained why they stood by it--either way it felt well within AfD process of being obliged to make your case, and rather akin to saying something should never have been nominated in the first place (which people say all the time because...bad nominations happen all the time!)

I could def be overlooking something and just hearing you have objections certainly will mean I think twice about it, but if you have anything to add so I can understand better, I'd be glad to hear it. Thanks again for bringing this to me. Innisfree987 (talk) 23:25, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Susan O'Malley

On 30 March 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Susan O'Malley, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Susan O'Malley was the first female president of an NBA franchise? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Susan O'Malley. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Susan O'Malley), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

April 2018

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Jessica Valenti. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.

• If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, please discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively, you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant notice boards.
• If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, please seek assistance at Wikipedia's Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.

Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continual disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. 2601:1C0:7000:8405:B039:2F94:8BA4:A455 (talk) 20:34, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

If this is a shared IP address, and you did not make the edits, consider creating an account for yourself or logging in with an existing account so you can avoid further irrelevant notices.

I understand you disagree with my removal, 2601:1C0:7000:8405:B039:2F94:8BA4:A455; at the same time, I have explained my policy reasoning for it, and four other editors have joined me in that; you have now reverted five times (1 2, 3, 4, 5), violating WP:3RR. I appreciate your joining the talk page discussion and I really hope that you will please continue to participate there to seek consensus about the material per Wikipedia policy, rather than continue to insert contested material unilaterally; this is considered disruptive to WP process and will almost certainly lead to a block. I hope instead you will participate constructively with us on the talk page so we may have your continued input. Innisfree987 (talk) 21:18, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

April 2018 (2)

		The Original Barnstar
		Thank you for your contributions for Fenty Beauty MarsLovesDogs (talk) 15:28, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Talkpage

Hi, Sorry about the revert, Unfortunately many vandals blank talkpages and seeing that amount of content removed it's easy to automatically assume "another vandal" .... so sorry about that,
Could I ask in future that you actually explain your edits as again I thought "request" was just a random word I hadn't realised you were responding to a request - It's up to you but the more descriptive your edit summaries are the less likely you'll be reverted :),
Anyway sorry for the revert, Happy editing :), –Davey2010^Talk 23:08, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Agree completely Davey2010, and was actually just starting a message on your page to apologize because clearly the inclarity of that edit summary was what prompted the difficulty! Very sorry--honestly just had a brain freeze in terms of "Uh what exactly would be a concise explanation of what happened here?!" and wanted to get it saved quickly as I'd already missed the opportunity to do a simple revert because of an intervening MusikBot edit. Wrong call, I'll take more time next time, if that's what it takes to be clearer about what's happened! Innisfree987 (talk) 23:17, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

No worries, Haha it's annoying when that happens :P, Anyway no worries, Happy editing :), –Davey2010^Talk 23:29, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Infobox image RfC

Because you have commented previously at other image RfCs, letting you know there's another one you might be interested in looking at here. Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 21:12, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Becky DYK

Hi, what are your thoughts on the UNDUE issue over at Dave Becky at this moment? StewdioMACK (talk) 16:27, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks StewdioMACK, just writing you a note on that very subject! I'll post at Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Dave_Becky shortly so we can have input from the others who've participated as well. Just wanted to do as much as I could to address the issue in the entry itself before I replied. Innisfree987 (talk) 16:30, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks very much. StewdioMACK (talk) 16:33, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Jamil Smith (journalist)

Hello! Your submission of Jamil Smith (journalist) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! SoWhy 18:29, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Fenty Beauty

On 20 April 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Fenty Beauty, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that singer Rihanna's Fenty Beauty cosmetics line was named one of Time magazine's best inventions of 2017? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Fenty Beauty. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Fenty Beauty), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 00:01, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Jason Reynolds

On 1 May 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Jason Reynolds, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that National Book Award finalist Jason Reynolds was inspired by Queen Latifah to begin writing poetry when he was nine years old? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jason Reynolds. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Jason Reynolds), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 00:01, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Wanda W.

Thank you for your help, past midnight here, so little more from me. The discogs link in the external refs is best for recordings, and the Dutch one but has multiples. Refs for the awards were good ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:19, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Excellent, thank you Gerda Arendt. I shall do my best--while also recognizing this is well out of my depth so if when you return to the article, you find I've added references that are no help, please don't hesitate to remove them, I won't have my feelings hurt in the least. I'm finding it very interesting to read about her fascinating and tremendously impressive life, so I'm grateful you've brought the entry to my attention and hope I can help any amount! Innisfree987 (talk) 22:27, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Ann Hornaday

On 6 May 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ann Hornaday, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Pulitzer Prize-nominated film critic Ann Hornaday was once an assistant to Gloria Steinem? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ann Hornaday. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Ann Hornaday), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 00:01, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Adrian Miller

On 8 May 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Adrian Miller, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that before becoming a food historian, James Beard Award-winner Adrian Miller was a White House adviser in the Clinton Administration? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Adrian Miller. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Adrian Miller), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 12:01, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Jamil Smith (journalist)

Innisfree987, last call for you to respond to the review made over four weeks ago, on April 18. (You were pinged about it back then.) Please post to the DYK review page linked to just above within the next few days if you wish to continue pursuing the nomination. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:15, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Class DYK daisychain

I have tried to focus on this a few times to make folks at DYK aware but I keep getting distracted and this is just so stepping-in-doghshitty, but here you go:

There is not WikiEd class but the teacher is Prof Haeffel

• Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Intuitive_eating by Cgorman4
• Template:Did you know nominations/subcortical ischemic depression nominated by Annaleisg and "approved" by Cgorman4, overrruled by BlueMoonset
• Template:Did you know nominations/Cyclothymia nominated by Emcmanus1 and again "approved" by Cgorman4, overrruled overruled by BlueMoonset again
• Template:Did you know nominations/Secondary Mania nominated by Bwilli18 and "approved" by Annaleisg, overruled by BlueMoonset again
• Template:Did you know nominations/Unconscious bias training nominated by Brittanygrimes3 - subsequent review was legit
• Template:Did you know nominations/Double depression nominated by Dmaynd2019 never has been processed
• Template:Did you know nominations/Euthymia (medicine) nominated by Logan McAbee-Thomas - subsequent review was legit

I think that is everybody and i think you all caught everything. When I looked last all the overruling hadn't happened and i am glad it did. Jytdog (talk) 01:36, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Yeesh that is really an issue. Thanks for looping me in Jytdog. I'll follow up, including with someone at WikiEd; even if this isn't an officially registered course, it feels like it's reasonable to expect them to offer assistance, given their general promotion of classroom editing of Wikipedia. Innisfree987 (talk) 01:39, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your reasonable input here and at the AfD, and for all the work you do! Jytdog (talk) 01:40, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

I had a discussion offline with Ian from WikiED btw; did not mention this DYK thing. Jytdog (talk) 01:41, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Hey, thank you for the kind words and all this legwork! It really is quite a tangle to unwind... Will keep you posted, hopefully to report making some headway. Innisfree987 (talk) 02:10, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Re:Class DYK daisychain

Hi, thank you for your message. Yes, I am aware of the 3 instances of canvassing for DYK. This matter was taken very seriously and wrongdoing was discussed with the students. Thank you for your attention to this matter. And yes, I have also been in contact with the WikiEd people. Obviously we will continue to improve as we become more familiar with all of the wikipedia rules. Having done this for about 5 or 6 years, it does appear that students have become more of an easy "target" for criticism recently (likely given the larger number of students contributing to wikipedia because of the different educational initiatives). I'm not saying that students and new wikipedia editors are not making mistakes and that it is not annoying to veteran editors; but, I think it's important to make sure that the rules aren't used as a method of exclusion. I have edited pages under a different username and also have seen students do the same, and anecdotally, there is far less scrutiny in these situations. I just hope we are not holding students to a higher standard than a general community member because they are easy to identify in a class setting and may hold biases against them (e.g., only motivated by grades, etc.). I would suspect that the extremely small fraction (relative to the population) of volunteer editors are a rather homogenous group. College students may provide more diversity (though likely not as much as is needed) to the group of editors. Plus, students tend to have an advantage over the general community member because they tend to have higher IQs on average, are better writers, and have access to scholarly journals (which essentially no regular person has). Plus, they are the future of wikipedia so I hope that they can be taught the rules, but also want to continue to participate in editing. Thank you again for pointing out the canvasing issue and we will try to ensure that does not happen again. Prof Haeffel (talk) 14:50, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Replied at my original message at User_talk:Prof_Haeffel#Canvassing_and_student_editors, for the sake of keeping discussion together. Innisfree987 (talk) 22:58, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Jamil Smith (journalist)

On 21 May 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Jamil Smith (journalist), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that journalist Jamil Smith wrote Time magazine's first cover story about a Marvel film, Black Panther? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jamil Smith (journalist). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Jamil Smith (journalist)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk) 00:57, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Ormonde Jayne for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Ormonde Jayne is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ormonde Jayne until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. HighKing⁺⁺ 14:37, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Deletion review for Gina Ortiz Jones

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Gina Ortiz Jones. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Lonehexagon (talk) 19:53, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Reference formatting

Regarding this, you could opt either for {{sfn}} or {{rp}} instead. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:05, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Ahh, thank you Nikkimaria! The latter is probably more what I'm looking for, although as I consider it, I see why the former would be used more often. Just trying to figure out how to do this in a way that least makes ordinary readers feel like they're slogging through academic-paper levels of byzantine formatting to figure out where info came from...

In any case, thank you again, appreciate the links to the primary options! Innisfree987 (talk) 01:02, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Rebecca Hazelton

Please check the page for the infobox template. The influence fields are no longer supported, therefore not needed. They should be worked into prose. ^{(talk page stalker)} CrashUnderride 02:37, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Nevermind, I just saw your second edit. lol ^{(talk page stalker)} CrashUnderride 02:38, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Arg yes so sorry and thanks for your understanding about that Crash_Underride. Next to tackle the last 100 edits or so of vandalism and reversion there so that I'll again be able recognize good edits when I see them! Thanks for your help. Innisfree987 (talk) 04:37, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

What should I copyedit?

Hello. I saw your copyedit tag on the article Good Old Schooldays. I was wondering what should be copyedited. Your help will be appreciated. Thank you. In Memoriam A.H.H.^{What, you egg?}. 16:12, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Hey In Memoriam A.H.H., thanks for asking--I appreciate the follow-up! In this case it's pretty light work: checking punctuation (as a rule on Wikipedia, references should go after the comma/period/etc. rather than before; song titles go inside quotation marks), italics for names of publications, double-check for typos. We can tag-team if you like--if you want to make a pass at it, I can have another look and see if anything got left behind (I know sometimes it's just hard to notice things in your own work; the Guild of copyeditors is a lifesaver!) Meanwhile thanks for your entry--wonderful to have this improvement of the site's film history coverage! Innisfree987 (talk) 16:30, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind words about the article! I would be happy to tag-team, in order to improve it. Thanks, and have a nice day! In Memoriam A.H.H.^{What, you egg?}. 16:53, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Planter article

Your edit summary is concerning. In the absence of editing I have been formulating the layout and contents, and am hunting the vitally needed resources. My preference for the layout is by New World colony, though this article may be destined to become a hub, with specific pages dedicated for regions, e.g. Planter class of Louisiana. What are your thoughts? – Conservatrix (talk) 22:07, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

@Conservatrix: Well content matters including any possible forks are more appropriate to the entry's talk page so all interested may weigh in, but I'll reiterate here, as I mentioned there, my concern that you've created and now expanded an entirely unreferenced entry. Without references, there is essentially no possibility of the entry satisfying the encyclopedia's neutrality requirements, as WP:NPOV and WP:NOR tell us entries should seek to accurately summarize how reliable secondary sources have described a topic--if you're not working from sources, it's not possible to represent them neutrally. References on this topic are widely available, beginning with scholar.google.com; if you hit paywalls on scholarly articles, WP:The Wikipedia Library will almost certainly be able to help you out. I would very much urge attending to properly referencing what can be and revising any material that does not reflect high quality sources before you continue to expand, or you really will risk having the entry deleted or at best draftified as WP:NOTESSAY.

As I noticed your userboxes (specifically interest in academia), I will just add: the above described content policies can sometimes mean that what an editor wishes to write is more suitable for a venue other than Wikipedia. If you wish to write detailed original research and/or your personal interpretation of, say, one small group of people in one state, there is a place for that (a dissertation perhaps?), but Wikipedia isn't it. Wikipedia only does the sometimes-mundane task of giving succinct overviews for a general audience of other people's original thought and research, as published in respected sources. That's understandably not always what everyone wants to do! But for better or for worse it's the task at hand here. Innisfree987 (talk) 04:01, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

The planter class features heavily into the development of American culture as an arbiter of class-based social structure and adapted European architectural styles. Wikipedians love writing about slavery, seemingly taking every opportunity to recall its horrors, but what is a hero without its villan? As noted on the talk, this page is neither about slavery or war but the men and women of a dominant social class and their influence on modern civilization. I ask that nobility be deleted moments after my planters are relegated to a WordPress blog. – Conservatrix (talk) 04:21, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Conservatrix: this is totally unrelated and unresponsive to the WP content policy concerns I described. That's up to you tho, as the burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and so ignoring content policies will only mean you run into more difficulties. I'd advise having a look at WP:SOAPBOX as well. I mention all in sincere hopes it assists with your editing here. Best wishes. Innisfree987 (talk) 04:41, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Invitation to participate in study

Hello,

I am E. Whittaker, an intern at Wikimedia with the Scoring Team to create a labeled dataset, and potentially a tool, to help editors deal with incivility when they encounter it on talk pages. A full write-up of the study can be found here: m:Research:Civil_Behavior_Interviews. We are currently recruiting editors to be interviewed about their experiences with incivility on talk pages. Would you be interested in being interviewed? I am contacting you because of your involvement in Wikipedia’s Women in Red project. The interviews should take ~1 hour, and will be conducted over BlueJeans (which does allow interviews to be recorded). If, so, please email me at ewhit@umich.edu in order to schedule an interview.

Thank you Ewitch51 (talk) 20:44, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Spirit Animal (band)

I got your message regarding the notability concerns for this article. I am aware of the notability guidelines for Wikipedia, and I feel that there are more than enough non-trivial, independent sources to meet Wikipedia's notability standards. Obviously, there aren't as many sources as larger bands, but as far as sourcing for bands go, there is a variety of sources that are not reproductions of press releases, and that deal mainly with the band itself. I feel that the tag is unnecessary for the article. The Billboard.com, SunCity Paradise, and KQED.com articles discuss the band in depth, and along with the other sources, I feel the article more than passes the notability standards for Wikipedia. Angryapathy (talk) 19:33, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

I'll copy this over on the entry's talk page and reply there, so that everyone interested in this content matter may participate. Innisfree987 (talk) 19:52, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

NPP Backlog Drive Appreciation

		Special Edition New Page Patroller's Barnstar
		For completing over 50 reviews during the 2018 June Backlog Drive, please accept this Special Edition Barnstar. Thank you for helping New Page Patrol and keep up the good work. Cheers! — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 19:01, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Shinobu Hashimoto

On 23 July 2018, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Shinobu Hashimoto, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:13, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

August 2018

Do you have a personal or professional or political relationship with Sarah Jeong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.80.232.203 (talk • contribs) 05:42, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

No, I don’t. (I’m not sure how anyone could have a political relationship with her, as to my knowledge she is not in politics. Tech and law reporter AFAIK.) I often contribute to WP pages about poets, writers, journalists, and so forth; her bio is one I had added a bit to, I think last year?, so I was notified by the Wikipedia watchlist system when many edits began being made there recently. If you’re interested in how the WP “sausage gets made”, I encourage you make an account, that’s one of the many useful features you can access when logged in! Innisfree987 (talk) 06:20, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Sarah Jeong DR

Hello, I have brought the unfruitful Sarah Jeong discussion to dispute resolution and am notifying you because you have commented on the Talk page since August 3. You can find a link here: Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Talk:Sarah_Jeong. All the best, Ikjbagl (talk) 12:03, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Closure here, for record-keeping. Innisfree987 (talk) 18:09, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions alert

This is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date.

You have recently shown interest in living or recently deceased people, and edits relating to the subject (living or recently deceased) of such biographical articles. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect: any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or any page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.

For additional information, please see the guidance on discretionary sanctions and the Arbitration Committee's decision here. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor.

I am posting this on your talkpage out of an abundance of caution solely because you recently edited Talk:Sarah Jeong and, as the message says, not suggesting any policy violation by you. Abecedare (talk) 01:55, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Hey Abecedare, sorry to be a dunce, I've apparently made it three years without finding my way into a situation where these were handed out and so I don't totally know what I'm being alerted to. Generally I get that DS means the ban hammer will be wielded liberally but I guess I'm unclear as to whether are there specific editing restrictions other than what I'd ordinarily be aware of? Sorry about this--I read the above links as well as a bunch of links contained within and I'm still not totally clear so I figure better to ask! Thanks. Innisfree987 (talk) 02:49, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Currently there are no specific editing restrictions for the Sarah Jeong article/talkpage (besides the protection, of course). So the notice is simply a means to make editors aware of existing policies (BLP, NPOV, RS etc) so that they don't run afoul of them out of sheer ignorance (or claim that they did :) ). If specific discretionary editing restrictions (eg, 1RR) for the article are implemented, they will be advertized on the article talk-page and/or through edit-notices and the above message is also supposed to serve as a reminder to editors that they should, in general, look out for such restrictions on pages they edit. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 03:05, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Oh, roger that Abecedare! Thanks so much--you got to just my question, which was that I've seen 1RR here or there, but I couldn't tell if I was supposed to understand that was implied in DS, or only for certain topics, or how I'd find a list of which topics. Etc. Got it now! Thanks so much, you've solved a mystery for me! Innisfree987 (talk) 03:57, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Just to let you know that a CU on User:ESparky has revealed no other accounts or editing from their IP. As the autoblock on the IP has now expired, vigilance is still required. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:57, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Ah--thank you very much for the head's up Kudpung, that timing is good to know. Will monitor. Perhaps Jytdog's COIN examination will provide more context as well. Thank you both. Innisfree987 (talk) 01:56, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Hate U Give

I've decided that every time I go to the movies and see the Hate U Give trailer I'm going to do some major work on the book article. I see my fair share of movies and it's getting regular play so I expect, given the high quality sourcing available, that when all is said to have improved enough to nominate and then have it receive GA. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 03:24, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Ha, I love that plan--and a great choice, as indeed there's so much there. Thanks Barkeep49. I'll pitch in as I can! Innisfree987 (talk) 03:30, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

(And sorry to regular Barkeep who is surely wondering how they ended up pinged on this conversation--I'll spare you a second ping, but if you see this, apologies for the mistake!) Innisfree987 (talk) 03:32, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Prep 2

Hi, you asked for feedback on your hook promotions. Please copy and paste the whole DYK credit line, including the subpage parameter. I fixed your promotions. Best, Yoninah (talk) 19:59, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Oh, thanks so much, Yoninah! Can I ask, is there any reason (maybe something technical?) that the examples in the blank sets don't show that parameter? I removed it because I was trying to match the model. If it's not possible to make the model look identical, maybe we could add this detail to the instructions at least? (so newcomers don't keep creating this extra work for you!) Just a thought. Thanks again for the hand! Innisfree987 (talk) 20:11, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure; I've never looked at the model. Pinging @Maile66:, who has created templates for new hook promoters in the past. Yoninah (talk) 21:16, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

You might want to look at the instructions below. Under "Open the Prep area where you intend to add the hook", item #4 ... is this the answer you're looking for? — Maile (talk) 21:43, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

At-a-glance instructions on how to promote an approved hook to a prep area

See Wikipedia:Did you know/Preparation areas for details on verifying a hook's acceptability. Promoters should not promote their own nomination or their own review. When promoting hooks intended for a particular date, keep in mind that when the number of available approved nominations exceeds 120 we switch to two sets per day, and when that number drops below 60 we return to one set per day. Check list for nomination review completeness Select a hook from the approved nominations page that has one of these ticks at the bottom post: . Check to make sure basic review requirements were completed. Any outstanding issue following needs to be addressed before promoting. Check the article history for any substantive changes since it was nominated or reviewed. Images for the lead slot must be freely licensed. Fair-use images are not permitted. Images loaded on Commons that appear on the Main Page are automatically protected by KrinkleBot. Hook must be stated in both the article and source (which must be cited at the end of the article sentence where stated). Hook should make sense grammatically. Try to vary subject matters within each prep area. Try to select a funny, quirky or otherwise upbeat hook for the last or bottom hook in the set. Steps to add a hook to prep In one tab, open the nomination page of the hook you want to promote. In a second tab, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to. Wanna skip all this fuss? Install WP:PSHAW instead! Does most of the heavy lifting for ya :) For hooks held for specific dates, refer to "Local update times" section on DYK Queue. Completed Prep area number sets will be promoted by an administrator to corresponding Queue number. Copy and paste the hook into a chosen slot. Make sure there's a space between ... and that, and a ? at the end. Check that there's a bold link to the article. If it's the lead (first) hook, paste the image where indicated at the top of the template. Copy and paste ALL the credit information (the {{DYKmake}} and {{DYKnom}} templates) at the bottom Check your work in the prep's Preview mode. At the bottom under "Credits", to the right of each article should have the link "View nom subpage" ; if not, a subpage parameter will need to be added to the DYKmake. Save the Prep page. Closing the DYK nomination page At the upper left Change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage Change |passed= to |passed=yes At the bottom Just above the line containing }}<!--Please do not write below this line or remove this line. Place comments above this line.--> insert a new, separate line containing one of the following: To [[T:DYK/P1|Prep 1]] To [[T:DYK/P2|Prep 2]] To [[T:DYK/P3|Prep 3]] To [[T:DYK/P4|Prep 4]] To [[T:DYK/P5|Prep 5]] To [[T:DYK/P6|Prep 6]] To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]] Also paste the same thing into the edit summary. Check in Preview mode. Make sure everything is against a pale blue background (nothing outside) and there are no stray characters, like }}, at the top or bottom. Save. For more information, please see T:TDYK#How to promote an accepted hook.

Handy copy sources:

• To [[T:DYK/P1|Prep 1]]
• To [[T:DYK/P2|Prep 2]]
• To [[T:DYK/P3|Prep 3]]
• To [[T:DYK/P4|Prep 4]]
• To [[T:DYK/P5|Prep 5]]
• To [[T:DYK/P6|Prep 6]]
• To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]

Ah ok--thank you both. Yes, Maile66, that gets at the issue (though it'd probably help to correct the typo in point 4.b.1--"if not" rather than "it not"? I'd just DIY but I fear breaking the template!) FWIW, the instructions I was looking at were Template_talk:Did_you_know#How_to_promote_an_accepted_hook and the additional instructions it links to, Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Preparation_areas; might help to add either the point about the subparameter or the link to the "at-a-glance" instructions in there somewhere.

And/or, if it's possible, I think it'd be great to update the model credit in the blank prep page, which for the credits section currently reads Example format...(Follow this or you WILL break something) and then just shows {{DYKmake|ArticleName|Editor}}, without the subpage parameter. So that additionally introduced some confusion; I don't know if it's possible to make the example credit look like {{DYKmake|ArticleName|Editor|subpage=ArticleName}}? Maybe that would screw up something technically, or for that matter, not always be correct? I've only done a few of these, so I'm out of my depth, but thought maybe inquiring at this stage was worth it if it could help the on-boarding instructions for new participants in the project. Thanks for your assistance! Innisfree987 (talk) 22:50, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Typo corrected. Thanks. As for the rest, I think you need to start a thread over at WT:DYK. That pre-dates me on DYK, and any real changes to templates and the process needs to be discussed there. — Maile (talk) 23:06, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Prep 3

Nice job on promoting new hooks today! Another heads-up: we try to alternate bios and non-bios. Sometimes it doesn't work, but usually it does. Yoninah (talk) 18:13, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! Yes that bit of the instructions I did find, but I did notice myself tripping up when a hook linked to a few different subjects--I'll make sure to pay close attention. Thanks for all the help Yoninah! Innisfree987 (talk) 19:14, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Jim Goetz proposed draft

Hi Innisfree987, I saw you had made some constructive changes to Sequoia Capital in the article's not-so-distant past, and wonder if you might be interested to have a look at my proposed expansion draft for one of its partners, Jim Goetz. I have a COI with the subject, specifically I am working with Mr. Goetz to seek an improved biography about him, so I should not make direct edits to the page. But I believe the current article is not very good, and so I've researched a new version that I think is informative without being promotional and carefully follows NPOV, RS, etc. If you have the time and are willing to have a look, you can see the draft in my userspace and the full explanation on the article's talk page. Let me know what you think! Cheers, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 13:33, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Never mind, this has been taken care of. Best, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 22:17, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Hate U Give

Given the controversies surrounding it, do you think that The Hate U Give deserves to be added to the category "Obscenity controversies in literature?"MagicatthemovieS (talk) 03:45, 5 September 2018 (UTC)MagicatthemovieS

Interesting Q! I’ll read the sources on that specifically in the AM so I can give a more informed reply. I meant to anyway, actually, as the line in the prose about it surprised me, and I wondered about due weight. More TK! Innisfree987 (talk) 06:30, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Alberto Morillas

On 15 September 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Alberto Morillas, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that perfumer Alberto Morillas has created nearly 7,000 fragrances? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Alberto Morillas. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Alberto Morillas), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Vanamonde (talk) 00:03, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Olivia Giacobetti

On 28 September 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Olivia Giacobetti, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Olivia Giacobetti (pictured) popularized the use of figs in perfumery? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Olivia Giacobetti. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Olivia Giacobetti), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Another 'Help' please...

This article is titled Standards Institute of Israel but the official, legal name of the entity is Standards Institution of Israel (SII). I'm not well enough versed in wiki marks to retitle the article and add a redirect from the first, incomplete wording. Can do? Would appreciate it very much. All the Best! Shir-El too 10:33, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi there Shir-El too! I'm afraid I'd rather not make any big changes (like the title) to an entry that's really lacking sources and I don't have time to do the research on this one (it's way outside my expertise). I'd suggest asking at WP:Help desk or adding the {{Help me}} template to the entry's talk page and someone who does have time will be along to assist! Innisfree987 (talk) 17:57, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Will do, but it's ironic: the correct title is in the first line of the article. If that isn't sourced... Cheers! Shir-El too 20:43, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

It's just that the page is in bad enough shape that it needs examination of all the sources (if any exist) as well as relevant WP policy on organizations (not my specialty) to be sure it qualifies for an entry in the encyclopedia and I'd want to do that before I did anything else, like a page move. And I haven't the time. But if it's of interest to you and you have the time, adding good sources would be a good contribution there! Innisfree987 (talk) 21:52, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

No. 4 on my TtD list! When Freedom House is in something like good shape I'll be back for your opinion. All the Best! Shir-El too 04:09, 3 October 2018 (UTC) PS If you like jokes, where do I send them?

Crown: An Ode to the Fresh Cut

I worked on a new article which given our editing intersections in the past might be of interest to you. In particular I was struck, as I explored the sourcing from major children's lit RS, about how it was nearly all white voices commenting on the book. I ran out of steam before I could go searching for some African American commentary on the book, but thought you might have the desire and access to resources to do so. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 21:42, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for flagging this for me Barkeep49! I'm a bit busy off-wiki at the moment so it might take me a little while to get to it, but absolutely, I'd very much like to look and see what additional sources I can come up with. Thanks for letting me know--and for the new entry! Innisfree987 (talk) 18:51, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

DYK for The Hate U Give

On 19 October 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article The Hate U Give, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the shooting of Oscar Grant motivated Angie Thomas to write a short story that became the basis for her debut novel, The Hate U Give? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/The Hate U Give. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, The Hate U Give), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Need help nominating DYK

Hey @Innisfree987:, you seem to have a lot of experience nominating DYKs, can you help me on this one:Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Dr._Horatio_Q._Birdbath — Preceding unsigned comment added by The lorax (talk • contribs) 15:47, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi The lorax! My time on-wiki is a bit limited just now, so I wasn't able to sort it out completely, but I've made a couple tweaks and listed it for review at DYK Nominations (that's the one bit you'll want to make sure you do after starting the template), so a reviewer should be along and can likely help straighten out the rest. If not, you can definitely find more help at DYK Discussion or at WP:Helpdesk. Sorry I couldn't be more help--I wanted to at least get you started since there's a time restriction on DYK and it might be a week or two before I could go through it fully. Hope that helps a bit at least! Innisfree987 (talk) 23:21, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

DYK for M Train (book)

On 3 December 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article M Train (book), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Patti Smith's title for her second memoir, M Train, refers to a "mind train", the train of thought that can lead anywhere? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/M Train (book). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, M Train (book)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk) 12:08, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Helen Hays

On 5 December 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Helen Hays, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that over the course of 45 years of conservation work by ornithologist Helen Hays (pictured), the tern population of Great Gull Island increased tenfold? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Helen Hays), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk) 12:01, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Two years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, dear, thoughtful Gerda Arendt! Innisfree987 (talk) 21:24, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Three years now! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:28, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

GAR review

David Lucas (composer), an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Ikhtiar H (talk) 16:34, 21 December 2018 (UTC)