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timo werner

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why your edits are reverted in that page is to follow the style of others. see for example João Félix and João Cancelo. In the lede "and the Portugal national team" is mentioned as in the vast majority of pages where a player has actively played for one. TheOneSome1 (talk) 22:00, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Seconded. The comma after "on loan from... RB Leipzig," sufficiently indicates that he is only on loan from RB Leipzig, not from the German national team as you said it suggests. Profavi1 (talk) 22:34, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

@Profavi1: Nope, you're creating a sentence list, loan is the first instance for the list sentence structure. You can't loan from a national team, so therefor, the text needs to be written differently. Govvy (talk) 22:37, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

without the words between commas it would be "plays as a forward for Premier League club Tottenham Hotspur and the Germany national team" though TheOneSome1 (talk) 22:42, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

@TheOneSome1: Are you following the two objects of the football club and the national team in the sentence after the subject of the loan? I don't see that as good grammar, do you? Govvy (talk) 22:49, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Doesn't matter what you see, it's objectively correct English, please stop reverting the edits. Profavi1 (talk) 22:51, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

@Govvy in your edits some could go as far as thinking as he's on loan from a club called "RB Leipzig and is also a member of the Germany national team" though TheOneSome1 (talk) 22:59, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

@Govvy That's literally not true mate, commas are used for things other than lists! In this case, the commas indicate a subordinate clause. The commas are saying "Timo Werner... plays as a forward for Premier League club Tottenham Hotspur – on loan from Bundesliga club RB Leipzig – and the Germany national team". Alternatively, imagine it says "for Premier League club Tottenham Hotspur (on loan from Bundesliga club RB Leipzig) and the Germany national team". In the article, the commas fulfil the function of the dashes/brackets in the two examples I've just given you. It doesn't create a list. Profavi1 (talk) 22:50, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Using the subordinate clause "on loan from …" is a phrasing we frequently use for loans. It's correct grammar. Robby.is.on (talk) 22:59, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

@Robby.is.on: on loan from isn't the problem, it's the second object with no thought of the prose between the first object to split the sentence. Simply adding a comma, doesn't split from the subject at the beginning of the sentence. And there is certainly no period splitting the two. The start of the sentence is the loan, you've added the national team into that sentence of the loan. Govvy (talk) 23:06, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

@Govvy Like Profavi1 said, imagine if the commas were brackets. They would function the same, just that they're brackets, not commas. They would clarify the sentence but if with brackets it's correct then so with commas. TheOneSome1 (talk) 23:31, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

@Govvy It most simply does... please familiarise yourself with rules of the English language! Profavi1 (talk) 00:20, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

@Profavi1: Please don't be rude, I don't believe you went to Oxford either. @TheOneSome1: Please don't message my talk page again, I don't trust you, as you appear to be a suck puppet. Too many shenanigans going on here. Govvy (talk) 17:03, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

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"Socks"

"It's clear to me that these editors have no interest in having correct sentence structure." Maybe, @Govvy, you should take a look at the pages of every single other footballer on loan, and notice how their opening sentences are all parsed in the exact same way as in Werner's article, and realise that maybe it's you that is wrong, instead of every other Wikipedia editor being a "sock".

And I don't really care whether or not some stubborn Wikipedian who doesn't understand basic English believes what university I attend. Good day to you!

(P.S., here is a BBC Bitesize article explaining the use of the commas in the sentence. I hope this provides some clarity.) Profavi1 (talk) 17:09, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Seriously, leave me alone. TheOneSome1 is clearly a sock to me, and you, Stop, you're being very insulting. Govvy (talk) 17:15, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Zarlor Mercenary DYK

Hello! I've noticed that you nominated the Zarlor Mercenary for the DYK, but per WP:DYKRULES, the article must be new enough, and I don't see how it was considerably expanded within the seven days preceding this nomination. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 19:00, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

@Deltaspace42: I'd thought it would be a fun DYK, I see those discriminatory type of rules. It's one of my favourite games of all time. I just wanted to share. Govvy (talk) 21:47, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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https://m.facebook.com/sindhfootballleague

this is only how karachi league can be updated, even rebranded league not held for 2 years. and if check edit summary where unrelated editors go randomly after grammar or any correction (wondering how someone not from pakistan follows these things, forgetting good faith principles .......)

http://en.m.wiki.x.io/wiki/CS_Dinamo_Bucure%C8%99ti_(basketball)

(here dont want to remove outdated players)

http://en.m.wiki.x.io/wiki/Pakistan_Army_F.C.#

(dont know format rules (jersey/duplicated parts...)

kind regards! 93.138.235.76 (talk) 14:22, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Umm, @93.138.235.76: I don't know who you are, or if you get this reply, but that doesn't help in showing WP:GNG at all, and certainly doesn't help the article at all. Govvy (talk) 11:05, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

deletion is ok then, just gave context 93.138.235.90 (talk) 13:05, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

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‎Unofficial Tottenham Hotspur taskforce/project

Hi, myself and another user had the idea to try to get a taskforce/project going so Spurs fans can all focus on similar articles or just keep tabs on what other editors are working on.

They made the project on a userpage here and welcome you to add whatever is of interest to you, and we can always add more pages as we need to.

COYS! Pksois23 (talk) 07:18, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Hiya @Pksois23: I find the main footy project pretty encompassing and there is a hell of a lot to do. I started cataloging all the old Tottenham seasons to wikipedia. But I have work and family to look after, so I really don't get the time like I use too for wiki. But by all means, do as much as you can and good luck. Regards. Govvy (talk) 19:58, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Got it, thank you. Pksois23 (talk) 01:52, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

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Hi, I have added a reason to my clarify tag on this article; the reason being that I had not come across "friend of the RSA" before, so wanted to know either what the role is, or whether it is an error for "fellow of the RSA". Best wishes, Tacyarg (talk) 20:54, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

@Tacyarg: To be honest, I am not sure why it's written like that, anyone can become a friend of the Royal academy, here is her exhibits list, you get articles like this, [1], I know a fair bit, probably cause she is my auntie! :/ Anyway, I rarely goto the article she is on my watchlist know. Govvy (talk) 21:38, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

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@Mitte27: I believe from 2011 it went onto fans voted team of the year, which included the goalkeeper, however no awards were given out as far as I know. Govvy (talk) 15:06, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

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1906–07 Western Football League transclusions

Where from or where to? Matilda Maniac (talk) 03:30, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

@Matilda Maniac: I've already had my problem fix, thanks. Govvy (talk) 10:42, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

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Timo Werner

He is not retired, but he played his (current) last match in the German national football team in March 2023. This is over 1 year ago! We don’t know when or if he come back to the German national football team. Is Amin Younes retired? No, he didn’t play matches since 2021. Is Mario Götze retired? No, he didn’t play matches since 2023. Should I give more examples or is this enough? Officer X (talk) 08:43, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

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Some examples File:Emirates Stadium logo.svg, File:Wembley Stadium EE logo.png, File:Amex-Stadium-Logo.png etc. SethWhales ^talk 14:47, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@Seth Whales: I've obtained permissions straight from Tottenham Hotspur for a few images, however when a logo has copyright attached too it, it's best not to have it on wikipedia and you stripped it from LinkedIn, I don't consider that good faith useable. Besides, we don't need to use it on the article. It's fine without that logo. Govvy (talk) 17:22, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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Was just coming here to do this, too. Sorry for the template, Govvy, it's what lets other editors see that you've been made aware so they won't retemplate you. Valereee (talk) 12:31, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

@TarnishedPath and Valereee:, my post was in regards to a YouTube video, I don't know why the post was removed from the talk page. O and TarnishedPath, why posted the Arab–Israeli conflict above, when my post was itself related to the topic of Zionism. What you did was a shutdown on the topic I opened up about content on the page. This effectively leaves up a false statement on the main page. Zionists wanted to create a Jewish state in Palestine. This is an erroneous statement, the land is the Levant, and not Palestine. There never was a Palestine. British Palestinian Mandate was the division of the Levant. Govvy (talk) 16:29, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Govvy, the entire talk page is about that. Please read the talk page so you can understand what's been discussed. Valereee (talk) 22:24, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

@Valereee: Zionism is about a people returning to their homeland, this is not about a conflict to say an entire page is about a conflict is wrong. @TarnishedPath: Why did you template my page exactly? Because that template is regarding new editors to wikipedia and those edits to actual pages and not about starting conversation on talk pages. Again, all as I ask is for an apology. Govvy (talk) 07:35, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Govvy, when I searched the edit history on your talk it appeared that you've never been notified of CTOP. Given you were making arguments based on a YouTube video I felt it appropriate to notify you. There's no suggestion that you've engaged in any misbehaviour. If you wish for editors not to leave CTOP notices in the future, I'd suggest having a look at Template:Ctopics/aware for adding a notice to the top of your talk page and Template:Contentious topics/alert/first for a list of codes to use. Regards, TarnishedPath^talk 08:08, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

@TarnishedPath: Far as I am concerned there was simply no reason to template a user who has been editing wikipedia for nearly 20 years and Valereee said he wanted to template me also! Pfft. I've often had people template my page and a lot of the time, I don't think half these people read the templates themselves. :/ Govvy (talk) 08:36, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Not a he. Govvy, I explained why the template was needed, even for a longtime editor -- it's to keep someone else from templating you for the same thing. I did say I was sorry to be having to template you, as I figured you probably did know this stuff. But I'm seeing that you do seem to need the information that template is providing.

• The sanctions under CTOPs absolutely do include talk pages.
• Zionism (and Talk:Zionism) absolutely falls under Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Palestine-Israel articles.

Valereee (talk) 09:37, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Not a he? Tarnished templated me, not you, besides, I am not caring anymore, I am just disappointed and feel there are too many people with dogmatic ideals. Did you know earlier this year I was on the tube and these people got onto the carriage screaming to kill all the Jews. I had to get off out of there at the next stop. It's a horrible experience hearing people want to wipe my people off the face of the Earth. Then there are these pools of people on wikipedia, that simply want to write something, without knowing it antagonises the same people. Words are powerful, and they need to be carefully selected. Have they really been carefully selected for these articles? That article is saturated with opinion pieces. Neutrality out the window. I really don't want to say anymore and rather just stick to football articles because clearly people have too much hate and don't think rationale. Govvy (talk) 12:35, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

You wrote Valereee said he wanted to template me also! I was just pointing out that I'm not a he.

I'm so sorry that happened to you. That sounds horrible.

I agree that words need to be selected carefully, especially at contentious topics. There are editors who have been working on exactly that for months now, which is why a new discussion was closed: there are already multiple discussions of the exact issue you were opening a new discussion on at that article, and having those discussions in several different sections is counterproductive.

All we're trying to do when we template is 1. make sure you understand you're now in a minefield and 2. make sure no one else templates you for the same thing. Valereee (talk) 12:42, 16 October 2024 (UTC)