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Reply to HMCS Prince David question

Welcome to Wikipedia. I guess the best answer for me to give you would be to point you towards an article about a ship that has reached Featured Article status. Take a look at USS Missouri (BB-63) for an example of what can be done with articles on Naval vessels. Hope this helps and gives you an idea of how far an article can be taken. Hope you stick around and continue to edit and if there is anyting else I can help with please feel free to ask. Cheers--Looper5920 01:54, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

HMCS Prince David

I have to admit, when I hit the wiki page on the Prince David, I was overwhelmed! What a beautiful article you have put together! When I initiated the article, I merely thought to add a few details about the ship since the article didn't exist. Thank you very much for putting so much effort in to making this article so robust.

Now, from a triumvirate-article standpoint, I don't think that one super-article would be appropriate; it would be a very long and convoluted subject. The problem I can forsee is that since there are divergent histories surrounding each of the ships, the article would end up being excessively complex, and difficult to read. Any parts of the articles that are virtually identical could eventually be separated out and linked to a new topic about the common operation or general history. As an example of what I mean, the sections about "pre-war", "Armed Merchant Cruiser" and "Landing Ship Infantry" could be rolled into a separate article where the information is general on the other hand, specifics about the individual ship as related to each section would remain. I am certain you understand what I mean, but as I write it out I can see this could well be a momentous undertaking!

I think what has happened, as I read this article, is that as you (and others) contributed information, the article sort of ballooned in order to explain all the various aspects of the ship's history; and when placed in a large military context, this ballooning probably has no definable end. 'Tis quite a conundrum indeed. I may muck about with something in my own sandbox and let you know if I come up with something useful.

But I am really quite awed by what you have contributed! The article barely resembles the original at all (laugh), but that isn't to say anything derogatory about it. Quite the opposite, in fact; I don't think I would have had the patience required to be so thorough.

Now, as far as photos and anecdotal information is concerned, I actually have quite a bit available to me. Unfortunately, however, I don't really have the time to do it all justice. My wife's music, my home renovations, and a complete career change (first a BSc in Genetics, then a Union tradeworker, now a 4th Class Power Engineer), plus two very young children have all conspired against me. I think there is a quote about that by someone; something to the effect that the jobs at hand expands to fill all the time available allotted. Well, these jobs seem to think I have 35 hours a day I think ;)

Anyway, keep up the fantastic work. I look forward to collaborating with you on these subjects! Em3rald 03:24, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello, Alberg22! You will see that I have rerated HMCS Prince David to B-class; this is long overdue for an excellent article, clearly a labour of love. I would say that it had a strong claim to A-class status, but this can only be awarded by project coordinators. If you would like to try for it, the instructions are here.

It strikes me that the Prince David was a member of a three-ship class, but there is no article on the class. It is normal in Wikipedia for there to be an article for classes of two or more ships, giving the design history, rationale and technical specification, while the articles on the individual ships focus on their operational history. If you were to create such an article, it would allow you to lighten the current article, by moving out the material which is common to all three ships. It would also be a useful resource to yourself or other editors when starting articles on the sister-ships.

Congratulations again on your excellent work. Keep it up!

Regards, John Moore 309 17:44, 20 September 2006 (UTC) (John Moore, London, England)

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Re: Wikipedia Search

Well, there are two possible explanations that occur to me:

1. The index used by our internal search hasn't updated to include the article yet. This probably isn't too likely.
2. The small number of incoming links (only four other articles link to it) is pushing it down in the search results.

It may be something else entirely, of course; but those are the only things that come to mind. Kirill Lokshin 01:18, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

RCN convoys

Have you seen Milner's North Atlantic Run? It's great coverage of Canadian efforts. I recommend it to anyone with an interest in RCN history, convoys, Battle of Atlantic, or ASW. (Who's left?) Also recommend van der Vat's Atlantic Campaign. It's a very interesting piece of work, which ties together WW1 & WW2 ASW; unfortunately, it's full of errors & questionable claims. Still... If I can offer aid, don't hesitate. Trekphiler 09:52, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: HMCS Prince David

I haven't been able to find a table of commanding officers per se, but there's plenty of examples for the table syntax itself, such as the table here; hopefully, it won't be too difficult to adapt that to your specific needs.

As far as the background: it should certainly be given, but in a "Background" section rather than filling up the lead. The lead section is meant to be a summary—a "mini-article" that can stand alone as an introduction to the topic—rather than merely background information. Kirill Lokshin 02:13, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Admiral Comments

Glad to be of help. Can't really offer any tips; you're a bit outside my area. As for why your branch doesn't have Milner et al, likely they didn't think it was worth buying. It's (I think) 1997; haven't actually got a copy (yet...), I read it from my local branch, after seeing Milner as a specialist interview on a TV doc. He's done a couple of books that look pretty interesting, including co-writer of one on Canadian corvette development. You might also look at H.T.Lenton, who's done a couple of small, specialist works on escort ships; nothing Canadian-specific, as far as I know, but his British escort ships title might have ref to transfers or joint ops. Hope it helps. Trekphiler 06:40, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

In Remembrance...

--nat ^{Alo! Salut! Sunt eu, un haiduc?!?!} 00:59, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

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This photo is part of a series of shots of my boat taken on my camera, for me, by someone (I didn't know who pressed the button) on the chase boat. Suggestions? Alberg22 (talk) 19:05, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

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Dear Alberg22, I found you through the Canadian military interests wikipage. Please could you help me or offer me some direction? I have just made a stub article for the Canadian manufactured WW2 landing craft called the "Ramped Cargo Lighter." Please, do you know of a photograph to illustrate it? So you know of what I speak, here are photos of the RCL in civilian use: http://www.thousandislandslife.com/BackIssues/Archive/tabid/393/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/712/The-Army-Landing-Barges-lsquoWolfe-Islander-1rsquo-and-lsquoWolfe-Islander-2rsquo.aspx

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There are two illustrations included in Leslie Roberts, Canada and The War at Sea Alvah M. Beatty, Montreal, 1944, but I have no idea about the copyright.

I would also need to learn how to get said illustration from wherever it is onto the page. Any help would be gratefully received, AmesJussellR (talk) 11:21, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for RCL Help

Dear Alberg22, Thanks for the guidance. Here is another request. I know that among British and US pages there is a little push and pull over which English to use. Would you kindly alter anything that doesn't use Canadian English - it would only be fitting. I have enjoyed Canada and The War at Sea and often imagined what it would have been like to read it when it was hot off the press. Whilst preparing the Landing Craft Assault page I had the opportunity to speak with a HMCS Prince David veteran - a member of the flotilla crew. There were some distinct differences between British and Canadian LSI/landing craft crew relations. I have enjoyed you Prince David page very much. Best regards, AmesJussellR (talk) 21:52, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

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