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editYou might want to read wp:bludgeon, you do not have to respond to every comment. Slatersteven (talk) 12:54, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
- Haha. I will certainly do it. Btw I found another recently created article that fails GNG. See Battle of Thane. I am not much experienced creating an speedy deletion discussion. Could you do it after double checking the sources and notability? Imperial[AFCND] 12:57, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
- @ImperialAficionado, if there's any discussion to be had, you're not looking for "speedy deletion". That's WP:CSD, and it's only for some very specific conditions like "there is literally no comprehensible text" and "sole author requests deletion". If you think it's very obvious that something ought to be deleted, such that no one is likely to disagree, that's not a speedy deletion (use WP:PROD for that). -- asilvering (talk) 23:16, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. I found that lately. Thanks. Imperial[AFCND] 01:16, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- @ImperialAficionado, if there's any discussion to be had, you're not looking for "speedy deletion". That's WP:CSD, and it's only for some very specific conditions like "there is literally no comprehensible text" and "sole author requests deletion". If you think it's very obvious that something ought to be deleted, such that no one is likely to disagree, that's not a speedy deletion (use WP:PROD for that). -- asilvering (talk) 23:16, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
Tagging pages for speedy deletion
editHello, ImperialAficionado,
Please review Criteria for Speedy Deletion so you are more familiar with the different criteria and when they apply. You can't take a page that is a redirect, blank the page and then tag it for deletion as an article with no context. It was never an article, it was a redirect. The appropriate criteria is CSD R2 which is a redirect from main space to Draft space. You shouldn't need to guess at what criteria is appropriate, if you want to patrol pages you have to know them very well and that comes from reviewing the criteria, not skimming over the page, and seeing when they are appropriate and which namespace they apply to.
If you have any questions about CSD or other deletion processes, please bring them to the Teahouse. Thank you for your help. Liz Read! Talk! 08:11, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- Also, you don't need to tag the Talk page for speedy deletion, Twinkle automatically deletes talk pages when it deletes articles, templates or drafts. Thanks again. Liz Read! Talk! 08:13, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
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Do not edit articles involving Mewar and Malwa conflict
editAll the mainstream historians have accepted that Sultans of Malwa, Gujarat and Nagore were defeated by Rana Kumbha conclusively and they had to retreat.
R.C Majumdar, Satish Chandra and Many more have clearly concluded the Kumbha was undefeated Rawn3012 (talk) 04:56, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
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editHello Imperial here's the source stating Mughals had 80,000 troops and both sides claimed victory please read this source before editing https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Maharana_Pratap/tNMQzgEACAAJ?hl=en R2dra (talk) 09:07, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
- Fails verification. Not even the page number is provided. If you have access to the book, quote down the entire part on the talk page of the article. My personal talk page is not a place where to comment about this. Imperial[AFCND] 09:09, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
- Rima Hooja- Maharana Pratap:The invincible warrior, page number 65-a
- later work, Nainsi’s Khyat , by one of the kingdom of Marwar’s
- ministers, Muhnot Nainsi, maintains that he commanded
- 40,000 soldiers. A still later work, Kaviraj Shyamaldas’s Vir Vinod
- asserts that the Mughal troops numbered 80,000.
- You may download the book here https://dokumen.pub/qdownload/maharana-pratap-the-invincible-warrior-9789353450649.html R2dra (talk) 09:18, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
- Take this to the article's talk section. Imperial[AFCND] 09:23, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
Why you are nominating to delete image which is sourced
edit@ImperialAficionado As you have nominated a my image foe the greatest extent of Mewar for deletion. I have given the page no 452 in A History of Rajasthan by Rima Hooja. If you at that time was not able to find source you would have contacted me. Nevertheless I am citing the source from the mentioned book " As a consequence of Sanga’s exploits, the borders of Mewar by this period extended from near Mandu (the capital of Malwa), in the south to Peela Khal (Pilya Khal), a small rivulet near Bayana and Agra, in the north-east, and deep into the desert country (stretching towards the river Indus) west and north-west of Mewar." Rawn3012 (talk) 04:33, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- @ImperialAficionado I hope that after reading the source you would take back your request Rawn3012 (talk) 04:38, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- That's not how mapping works. One source should show the map itself with its boarders. Pinging @पाटलिपुत्र. He can help you with it. Your map was just an ellipse with awful boarder, including unnecessary texts. That's why I nominated that for deletion.Imperial[AFCND] 04:52, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- @ImperialAficionadoImperialAficionadoThere is no rule on wikepedia regarding that if you have source which is clearly mentioning the territorial extent you can make it. See the map of Chola Empire on its wikepedia page Rawn3012 (talk) 05:00, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Just wait for Pataliputra to come here. Whatever decision he makes, I am with him, as he is far more experienced in mapping. Imperial[AFCND] 05:06, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- @ImperialAficionadoImperialAficionadoThere is no rule on wikepedia regarding that if you have source which is clearly mentioning the territorial extent you can make it. See the map of Chola Empire on its wikepedia page Rawn3012 (talk) 05:00, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- That's not how mapping works. One source should show the map itself with its boarders. Pinging @पाटलिपुत्र. He can help you with it. Your map was just an ellipse with awful boarder, including unnecessary texts. That's why I nominated that for deletion.Imperial[AFCND] 04:52, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
Which is the map under deletion request? Can someone give a link? पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra) (talk) 06:01, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- @पाटलिपुत्र, here it is [1] Imperial[AFCND] 06:05, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- @पाटलिपुत्र, there are several other maps uploaded by Rawn3012, which may subjected to copyright violation. Check his contribution section on commons. Imperial[AFCND] 06:14, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- @ImperialAficionado We are discussing on the map above. Talking about the prior history I am accepting that the maps[only some] are subject to copyright which I have agreed to delete but as I was busy with some other task. I was not be able to it. Rawn3012 (talk) 06:26, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- @पाटलिपुत्र, there are several other maps uploaded by Rawn3012, which may subjected to copyright violation. Check his contribution section on commons. Imperial[AFCND] 06:14, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
Map of the territory of the Sisodiyas, in Schwartzberg, Joseph E. (1978). A Historical atlas of South Asia. Chicago: University of Chicago Press. p. 148, map XIV.4 (c). ISBN 0226742210.
I am attaching the map derived from the Schwartzberg Atlas. The [2] map seems rather exaggerated, especially the northern extension: the border should stop well before Uttar Pradesh. Technically, it is accepted to make a map based on textual evidence only, but here the text is a bit vague, and the map shows a larger territory: "As a consequence of Sanga’s exploits, the borders of Mewar by this period extended from near Mandu (the capital of Malwa), in the south to Peela Khal (Pilya Khal), a small rivulet near Bayana and Agra, in the north-east, and deep into the desert country (stretching towards the river Indus) west and north-west of Mewar." Better to follow Schwartzberg. Also, using a modern map as a base is a bad idea: it is anachronistic. पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra) (talk) 06:26, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- @पाटलिपुत्र The map given by you does not include Rana Sanga's territories of Northern Gujarat(Visalnagar,Vadnagar,Patan and Idar) which he conquered in Sanga's Invasion of Gujarat also the other territories such as Marwar and Bikaner. For your point that map should end before Uttar pradesh you hade to check this line from A History Of Rajasthan by Rima Hooja page 453" The Princes of Marwar and Amber did him homage and the Raos of Gwalior, Ajmer, Sikrl, Raisen, KalpI, Chanderl, Bundi, Gagraun, Rampura and Abu served him as tributaries.” It includes Kalpi which is in Uttarpradesh. The map can be improved. By nominating it for deletion is wrong step Rawn3012 (talk) 06:39, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Rawn3012, Schwartzberg Atlas is a widely used source for mapping in commons. Also, it is more reliable than texts, this we are going with it. Imperial[AFCND] 06:41, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- If source is there than what is widely or not widely Rawn3012 (talk) 06:44, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Rima Hooja is one of the best historian of India and especially in history of Rajasthan and Mewar Rawn3012 (talk) 06:45, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- @पाटलिपुत्र If you agree, I would create another map by using background from Demis Map Server with proper citing of sources Rawn3012 (talk) 06:51, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Rima Hooja is one of the best historian of India and especially in history of Rajasthan and Mewar Rawn3012 (talk) 06:45, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- If source is there than what is widely or not widely Rawn3012 (talk) 06:44, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Rawn3012, Schwartzberg Atlas is a widely used source for mapping in commons. Also, it is more reliable than texts, this we are going with it. Imperial[AFCND] 06:41, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
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Hi, I was not able to find any reliable refs for this conflict. Maybe you will be able to do better here to improve the page. Ranadhira (talk) 07:52, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Ranadhira Seems like the title is an invented name. Can't find "Battle of Delhi" of 1764 in WP:RS. Citations needs a cleanup. Imperial[AFCND] 08:12, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- I was also unable to get any reliable sources. The two refs that are there also barely mention this event. The steps you have taken are correct, but I cannot see any future for the page. Ranadhira (talk) 10:57, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- [3] pg.206 mentions that the conflict took place between Jawahar and Najib till February 1766 and ended in the complete failure of Jawahar, with him spending lakhs of rupees on Sikh and Maratha mercenaries. Ranadhira (talk) 11:24, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Let's give some time to the creators and editors. If they fails to bring sources that shares about this in-dept, I will propose for a deletion. Else, we can build it. Imperial[AFCND] 11:31, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
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editHey stop being biased against us Indians. you have created several fake defeats of Bajirao Mahratta.op (talk) 11:29, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- I don't understand why this much obsession over those articles. All the concerns have been cleared, and as WP:RS cites those, I am not willing to remove them. Imperial[AFCND] 11:32, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
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editHey@ImperialAficionado Do you have the book pdf of Mewar under Maharana Kumbha by Upendra Nath Dey. I have read all the the other the books based on his life but this one is remaining. As you edited Article of Battles of Mandalgarh and Banas by citing his book. I hope you would be having that.
Rawn3012 (talk) 08:21, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello Rawn, I had access to that book. But consider using https://archive.org/details/history-of-medieval-malwa-upendranath-day this, written by Upendra Nath Day himself. The context is the same. Regards. Imperial[AFCND] 09:04, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
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editHey@ImperialAficionado I have recently made an article regarding the Mewar-malwa conflict and have nearly completed the work for Mewar- Gujarat conflicts, but while doing these things. One thing came to my mind that Malwa and Gujarat not only fought wars with Mewar but also fought with themselves then I got the idea to create a separate or edit the newly created Mewar-Malwa conflict article into a new article which would describe the struggles between Mewar, Gujarat, and Malwa. It would be a time-consuming process as the article should contain a struggle between all three.
What do you think? Rawn3012 (talk) 14:46, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello. I think you could create the "List of wars between Mewar, Malwa and Gujarat" just like List of wars involving the Delhi Sultanate. So it wouldn't be much time consuming, and it would be much engaging to do. It's all up to you. Regards. Imperial[AFCND] 15:47, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Kalachuris of Mahismati origin
editHello @ImperialAficionado, please look at Kalachuri dynasty. The origin of Kalachuris is from Abhira clan.[1] but some editors are removing reliable/sources contents and adding false information with their own views. 2409:4085:8E92:C62C:0:0:8149:7210 (talk) 21:11, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry. I am more into military history. And if you provide more reliable sources, we can go for a dispute resolution. Regards. Imperial[AFCND] 04:21, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello. You can revert to this [4] revision. But should definitely provide the page numbers of the books for verification. Imperial[AFCND] 04:36, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your response @ImperialAficionado sir. See the sources.[2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9] 2409:4085:8E82:7318:0:0:8189:4B04 (talk) 12:20, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- I am in a long term break, and I am sorry for not helping you. You can ask help at WP: TEAHOUSE or WP:HELP DESK for resolving the issue. Imperial[AFCND] 12:33, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- @ImperialAficionado ok, but please see this Chudachandra,[10][11] Graharipu, samma tribe,[12][13][14] & Mandalika I. 2409:4085:9C00:548B:0:0:8889:9709 (talk) 12:47, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- I am in a long term break, and I am sorry for not helping you. You can ask help at WP: TEAHOUSE or WP:HELP DESK for resolving the issue. Imperial[AFCND] 12:33, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your response @ImperialAficionado sir. See the sources.[2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9] 2409:4085:8E82:7318:0:0:8189:4B04 (talk) 12:20, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ Siṃhadeba, Jitāmitra Prasāda (2006). Archaeology of Orissa: With Special Reference to Nuapada and Kalahandi. R.N. Bhattacharya. p. 113. ISBN 978-81-87661-50-4.
The origin of Kalachuris is from Abhira clan.
- ^ Solanki, A. N. (1976). The Dhodias: A Tribe of South Gujarat Area. Maria Enzersdorf : Elisabeth Stiglmayr. p. 27.
- ^ Mirashi Vasudev Vishnu. (1955). Inscriptions Of The Kalachuri-chedi Era Vol-iv Part-i (1955). Government Epigraphist For India.
- ^ Numismatic Digest. Numismatic Society of Bombay. 1982.
- ^ The Numismatic Chronicle. Royal Numismatic Society. 1983.
- ^ Walker, Benjamin (2019-04-09). Hindu World: An Encyclopedic Survey of Hinduism. In Two Volumes. Volume I A-L. Routledge. ISBN 978-0-429-62465-0.
- ^ Acta ethnologica et linguistica. Elisabeth Stiglmayr. 1950. p. 27.
- ^ Indica. Heras Institute of Indian History and Culture, St. Xavier's College. 2001.
- ^ Natesan, G. A. (1922). The Indian Review. G.A. Natesan & Company.
- ^ Williams, Laurence Frederic Rushbrook (1958). The Black Hills: Kutch in History and Legend: a Study in Indian Local Loyalties. London. p. 80.
Ra Chuda, who belonged to the widely-scattered, origin-ally nomadic, Abhiras, already ranking as a reputable Rajput Clan. .
- ^ Shah, Tribhuvandas L. (1938). Ancient India: History of Ancient India for 1000 Years in Four Volumes. (From 900 B.C to 100 A.D.) ... A Marvellous Array of Wholly New and Eye-opening Theories, Substantiated with Facts and Figures from Coins, Inscriptions and Authoritative Writers. Shashikant & Company. p. 270.
Mr. Rapson believes that Iśvardatta and his descendants were natives of Saurāṣṭra and must have been ancestors of the Abhir kings of Junagadh, of the Ra dynasty.
- ^ Kapadia, Aparna (2018-05-16). Gujarat: The Long Fifteenth Century and the Making of a Region. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-1-107-15331-8.
The Chudasamas had also long been associated with the abhiras, or pastoralists, with close links to the Sammas of Sindh.
- ^ Fox, Richard Gabriel (1977). Realm and Region in Traditional India. Duke University, Program in Comparative Studies on Southern Asia. p. 87. ISBN 978-0-916994-12-9.
According to Suryavanshi, Abhiras got settled in south-western Rajasthan and north-eastern Sindh in the first century B.C. This region was called Abhiradesha.
- ^ Ray, Hem Chandra (1973). The Dynastic History of Northern India (early Mediaeval Period). Munshiram Manoharlal Publishers. p. 941.
the close connection of the Abbiras with the Sammas of Sind.
Mughal war of succession (1658–1659)
editHello can you help finish the article Mughal war of succession (1658–1659). The article is not complete yet and many sections are blank. thank you SKAG123 (talk) 04:14, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- I would love to expand the article. Just takes some time. Regards. Imperial[AFCND] 05:52, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Stop removing citations in Pala Tibetan War
editPlease stop removing citations in Pala Tibetan War
R. D. Banerji is generally regarded as a reliable historian, with his work on the economic history of Bengal being particularly well-regarded;he was also an Indian archaeologist and an officer of the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI).
To add the viewpoint of R. D. Banerji, I need to give citations of his book. So, please stop removing the citations. Based Kashmiri (talk) 14:22, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- See WP:RAJ. It is a consensus of not using Raj era sources, especially of British officers in British Raj. R. D Banerji was indeed not an Indian archeology officer, but a Raj officer. It is not just an essay, but is widely accepted at WP:HISTRS. Adding that again and again just cause edit warring and loss of editing privileges. Take care, and try using better sources instead of sticking into a single source. Imperial[AFCND] 14:36, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Then should i just remove it since that's the viewpoint of R.D. Banerji and there is no other source supporting his claim except 'modern review (Calcutta)'? Based Kashmiri (talk) 15:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Modern review of Calcutta is a journal. Ask your doubts at WP:RSN, to check whether if it's reliable or not. Best Imperial[AFCND] 16:07, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- OK, thanks for your help! I'm not that new to Wikipedia, so I don't know much about it.
- Would it be okay for you if I asked something in future if I had a doubt? Based Kashmiri (talk) 16:16, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- I am too not much experienced here tbh. You can freely ask your doubts at Wikipedia:Teahouse and Wikipedia:Help desk, where the more experienced people will help you. And, feel free to ask any doubts and opinions from me, related to History. Good luck. Imperial[AFCND] 16:32, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you Based Kashmiri (talk) 09:04, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- I am too not much experienced here tbh. You can freely ask your doubts at Wikipedia:Teahouse and Wikipedia:Help desk, where the more experienced people will help you. And, feel free to ask any doubts and opinions from me, related to History. Good luck. Imperial[AFCND] 16:32, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Modern review of Calcutta is a journal. Ask your doubts at WP:RSN, to check whether if it's reliable or not. Best Imperial[AFCND] 16:07, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Then should i just remove it since that's the viewpoint of R.D. Banerji and there is no other source supporting his claim except 'modern review (Calcutta)'? Based Kashmiri (talk) 15:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
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Sock tagging
editHey, you just tagged two users as confirmed socks. First, you shouldn't be tagging any users as socks. That is reserved to CheckUsers, SPI clerks, and administrators. Second, those socks were not "confirmed". They were blocked by me. Don't do any sock tagging again.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:44, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- My bad. Thanks for letting me know. Imperial[AFCND] 15:46, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
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Mahārāṇā Pratāpa ke pramukha sahayogī (in Hindi). Rājasthānī Granthāgāra. 1997. सांगा ने हरिदास महियारिया को चित्तौड़ का राज्य देकर प्रथम राष्ट्र कवि के पद पर आसीन किया । हरिदास ने खानवा प्रथम स्वाधीनता के निर्णायक युद्ध में अपने प्राणों की आहुति दी।
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Battle Of Khanwa- was one of the Commanders of Rana Sanga. led the last charge on the Mughal left Flank after Ajja Jhala commanded the charge on the Right while Rana Sanga Ji was being carried away from the field after being heavily injured. Historyonlyfavoursvictors (talk) 10:16, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry about it. Can you ask your concerns at WP: Teahouse? I am at my WP:Wikibreak, and can't put more time on it. Teahouse will help you in editing, without making disruption. Tell them about the concerns you have. Imperial[AFCND] 10:43, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
A small Help
edit"Please check my Talk Section. An editor who labels everything as vandalism requires your answer." DeepstoneV (talk) 14:47, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry incase if someone calls you "vandal" without proper reasoning, take that to ANI. I am in a break. Imperial[AFCND] 08:50, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
Bahmani–Vijayanagar War (1398)
editMilitary history coordinators review the bot rating assessments of articles. I have read Bahmani–Vijayanagar War (1398). The terms "lacs of hun" and "lahks of tankas" appear in the final paragraph. I have linked lahk to the article about that topic. I assume "lacs" is a different measurement. There are no articles on hun as a monetary unit or on tankas. Can you give a further explanation, perhaps in a footnote if necessary, as to the meaning and value of these units? I think it would be especially helpful to give an estimate of the worth in current dollars or pounds. I think a further explanation would help the reader understand the size and worth of these payments. Thanks. Donner60 (talk) 01:41, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hello. Both "Lakh" and "Lac" refers to Lakh. It was the problem within the sources. Tankas were one of the currencies used in medieval India, lacks a seperate article on it. Imperial[AFCND] 08:53, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
Nomination of List of Indian Kingdoms overthrown due to Muslim conquests for deletion
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editResponding here as it relates to more than one page/a larger issues. In regards to the request to add the aforementioned page to the bundled AfD, unfortunately I can't add it now that discussion has begun and others have offered their opinions in the discussion; the rules of AfD state that an article requires the full 7-day discussion period. This one can be nominated separetely; if you'd like to do that, I would suggest using WP:Twinkle as it simplified the process. Be sure to read the rules of WP:AfD and ground your deletion rational in policy-based arguments.
However, in regards to the editor and the pages previously discussed, I have a feeling that there are large OR and HOAX issues at play. I think discussing this at ANI would be required, my plan is to thoroughly examine the references provided all the sources and, if necessary, discuss this there. microbiologyMarcus [petri dish·growths] 12:44, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- The above is purely notificational and, if you're busy, no response needed. Enjoy your wikibreak and good luck with exams. microbiologyMarcus [petri dish·growths] 13:03, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thank! I do believe there's something amiss. Another brand new user is actively editing within the same field as the author of these articles. It's concerning that the author isn't making an effort to learn the policies, nor is providing proper edit summaries for their contentious changes. Thank you for your well wishes for the exams. Regards. Imperial[AFCND] 13:11, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hello @MicrobiologyMarcus, I looked into the conflict and found some good sources. I made a mistake in my search earlier, so I might have missed some info. I'm not sure if it meets GNG.
- .
- There are copyright issues in some parts, and I'm not sure if there are more. Also, the article could be better if it was written in a fair way. Imperial[AFCND] 13:46, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thank! I do believe there's something amiss. Another brand new user is actively editing within the same field as the author of these articles. It's concerning that the author isn't making an effort to learn the policies, nor is providing proper edit summaries for their contentious changes. Thank you for your well wishes for the exams. Regards. Imperial[AFCND] 13:11, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
Siege of Vijayanagar
editI have reviewed the bot assessment of the Siege of Vijayanagar. I noted that the infobox states that the Bahmani force was 40,000 and the Vijayanagar force was approximately 1 million. These figures are not repeated in the text. Can you provide a citation for these numbers? Certainly smaller forces have defeated larger ones, and circumstances seem to have gone against the Vijayanarar force, but it seems all out of proportion for a force of 40,000 (even cavalry) to defeat a force of 1 million. A citation would be helpful to avoid questions about a force this large being defeated by such a small force. Thanks. Donner60 (talk) 04:38, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. That should be cited in the infobox. Imperial[AFCND] 04:40, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
Hy ImperialAficionado, Could you please select a low-context and confusing article about Alaudin Khalji's invasion of Mathila for deletion? I did tried But I am weak in editing Hassan Gangu (talk) 10:54, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Deletion
editHy ImperialAficionado, Could you please select a low-context and confusing article about Alaudin Khalji's invasion of Mathila for deletion? I did tried But I am weak in editing and please look over preventing vandalism in Shivaji's article Hassan Gangu (talk) 10:54, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, I can't. The article phased many edit warring, and disruptive editing, I can't let myself involved in this big issue. Imperial[AFCND] 11:42, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Inaccurate map of Gupta empire
editHello, Mr. Imperial Aficionado. You should join the discussion in the Gupta Empire's Talk section article. I'm planning to initiate a campaign to remove the inaccurate map of the Gupta Empire, which merges different historical eras into one. Your opinion would be valuable there. DeepstoneV (talk) 10:21, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry. I am unable to help because I am not an issue expert in the field of mapping. You can seek help from experienced editors, who can make better opinions. Regards. Imperial[AFCND] 10:22, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Asking
editCan you help me find the relevant Nizam of Hyderabad flag? And also please guide me how to add categories in the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mnbnjghiryurr (talk • contribs) 12:14, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hello. From 1900–1947, they used
1900-1947 18th century-1900 Asafia
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Bajirao's Konkan Campaign
editBajirao's Konkan Campaign What can I improve more in this article? Mnbnjghiryurr (talk) 16:35, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- I have left a messege on your talk page. Imperial[AFCND] 16:37, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
Your draft article, Draft:Siege of Kannauj
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List of Indian Kingdoms overthrown due to Muslim conquests
editI left you a comment on the delete discussion. I undid my changes, Trust me on this. // Timothy :: talk 13:52, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Nomination of Maratha–Nizam wars for deletion
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editThanks for your contributions to List of Indian Kingdoms overthrown due to Muslim conquests. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it has no sources and per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Indian Kingdoms overthrown due to Muslim conquests. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.
Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Star Mississippi 20:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- cc @TimothyBlue since I mucked up the notifications. Star Mississippi 20:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks @Star Mississippi:, I think this can be converted into a useful navigation list for the main article if cleaned up.
- @ImperialAficionado:, I've started working on it here User:TimothyBlue/indiankingdoms. I've done some restructuring and added this to the new draft at Draft:List of Muslim conquests in the Indian subcontinent (new name that reflects its connection to the main article). I see several things to work on:
- Please review the WP:LISTCRITERIA I have added to the article.
- Each list entry needs to be properly referenced. If an entry has a article such as Umayyad conquest of Sindh, and the article references support the list entry adding a reference is optional, but might be helpful.
- If the list entry does not have an article, such as the entry for Arab Conquest of Maitrika Kingdom which redirects to Maitraka dynasty, you need to link to a section in the linked article on the list entry subject. If it is not notable enough for an article or a section in an article, it should be removed from the list. The current reference in the article for this entry does not support the entry contents.
- The details of the entry need referenced; one ref per line is fine if it is easily verified, but more may be needed, remember multiple editors will probably want to verify WP:V the reference supports the content.
- Since history is an academic subject and neutrality has been disputed, I strongly suggest you use only neutral academic secondary sources with page numbers or chapter names, not websites, and never blogs.
- I think the next thing that should be worked on it is the Notes column, this usually is a brief note related to the result, it should always conform to the result in the article the entry links to. Again this should reflect the referenced content in the article or article section the link is pointing to.
- It would be inappropriate for either of us to move this from drafts to main space, when you are done, submit the article with a note to this discussion for the reviewer. If you wish, you can request a new uninvolved reviewer and AfC will do their best (no promises) to meet this request if a reviewer is available.
- I strongly suggest against this, but you can move it yourself, however I would expect it to go to AfD again if it is not reviewed.
- When you request a review, request that the reviewer use specific inline tags filled out with reasons so you can take action to meet their specific concern. Don't expect a lot (its not their job), but they should provide enough info for you to understand the review and make corrections.
- I hope this helps. Greetings from Los Angeles, // Timothy :: talk 22:16, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- You're welcome @TimothyBlue. I'm not watching the draft so if you need anything from me as closer/AfC reviewer/admin please just ping me here/there. Have a great day Star Mississippi 15:22, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- @TimothyBlue, Thank you for your help. Another idea I had was about creating "List of historical records of Indian history", listing similar to the above work, dedicating consecutive columns for "Work name", "Author", "Year", "Context", "Link". But I am losing the hope after this AFD. What do you think about that? I won't be able to respond to your reply (I am in a long term break), but clet me know what you think about it. Imperial[AFCND] 16:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Do not lose hope. I think you are wanting to create is a Bibliography article. I've done a lot of these and they are fun to create, very useful and you will learn a lot. I would look at Bibliography of the Russian Revolution and Civil War as an example. see User:TimothyBlue#New Articles Created for more.
- The key to a good bibliography is article organization and planning. You need a solid inclusion criteria (to prevent spamming the article), and a consistent citation style. I limit my annotations to book reviews, any other annotation should be neutral and sourced like any content.
- I would not use a table for this, it is just to cumbersome for editors and readers, and hard to work on an limiting as to what you can do. They work well for tabular data, but for longer lists, they are often abandoned in favor of a more flexible way to layout the content.
- The article title you have above is a bit ambiguous; I'm not sure what type of document you are creating a bibliography for.
- What Wikipedia really needs is a Bibliography of Indian history that is then broken down into sub articles about each major period of Indian history; Bibliography of Indian history would be the parent set index with sub articles for periods such as Bibliography of Indian history (1947-present). See Bibliography of Russian history and the sub articles created for each period and special topics. I'd say three sub article would be good to begin working on Bibliography of Indian history (19xx-present), Bibliography of Indian history (Colonial era or xxxx-xxxx format), Bibliography of Indian history (pre Colonial).
- The exact names are up to you, just make sure an average college educated English speaking person will understand (a pretty low standard, but none of us choose our audience). They can always be split if a section becomes too long. For example I did Bibliography of Russian history which contains Bibliography of the Russian Revolution and Civil War (1905-1925) but then split out Bibliography of the Russo-Japanese War (1905) and Bibliography of Russia during World War I (1914-1917) to keep the main article from getting to long.
- There is a piece of software for bibliographies called Zotero that many Wikipedians use and I find it very helpful. As for writing you want to avoid using a word processor because of all the code in the text. I use Visual Studio Code with the Mediawiki extension and it works well for me.
- This is a monumental task, but it is very worth the effort and will be an resource many will use (I know profs and students all over the world that use the Russian bibliography, I shamelessly promote it off wiki in academia as a teaching resource and get ~3500 views each month in total). I already had a Bibliography of Russian history written for my own use, it still took me almost three years (4+hrs per day) to plan, write, reference the series (It was my pandemic project).
- You also need to deal with issues related to Pakistan and Bangladesh. This is similar to what I did with Bibliography of Ukrainian history, Bibliography of the history of Belarus and Byelorussia. There will be some overlap, but you want to anticipate and stay on top of this so that the articles stay organized.
- We also need a List of South Asian studies journals similar to List of Slavic studies journals, and a List of historical chronicles from India, I am working on a List of Slavic historical chronicles.
- Go for quality, go slow and steady and this will be an excellent addition to Wikipedia. I've obviously thought about this series before and would be happy to help you with the technical and formatting issues. // Timothy :: talk 18:00, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- @TimothyBlue I have been eager to get this. I am very interested in medieval Indian history. Could I create an article called Bibliography of Medieval Indian History? And can we include modern books as well, with works from contemporary era? I have read many books that could help others editors. Thank you for letting me use your work as a reference. I will do my best, but it will take some time. Best Regards. Imperial[AFCND] 15:04, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- @TimothyBlue, Thank you for your help. Another idea I had was about creating "List of historical records of Indian history", listing similar to the above work, dedicating consecutive columns for "Work name", "Author", "Year", "Context", "Link". But I am losing the hope after this AFD. What do you think about that? I won't be able to respond to your reply (I am in a long term break), but clet me know what you think about it. Imperial[AFCND] 16:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- You're welcome @TimothyBlue. I'm not watching the draft so if you need anything from me as closer/AfC reviewer/admin please just ping me here/there. Have a great day Star Mississippi 15:22, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
Nomination of Siege of Orchha (1635) for deletion
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editThere is recently going a dispute in the Mughal Empire's talk page, Whether we should add "Indo-Muslim" before the empire in the lead or not, Though there are several WP:RS by well reputed historians such as [1] which calls it Indo-Muslim, it still remains a matter of dispute and a RFC is held there. You can consider going there and give your vote/opinions on that. Thank you. Malik-Al-Hind (talk) 05:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- I am sad that I couldn't help. Keep going with what WP:RS says. Imperial[AFCND] 14:48, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ Richards, John F. (1995), The Mughal Empire, Cambridge University Press, p. 2, ISBN 978-0-521-56603-2, archived from the original on 22 September 2023, retrieved 9 August 2017 Quote: "Although the first two Timurid emperors and many of their noblemen were recent migrants to the subcontinent, the dynasty and the empire itself became indisputably Indian. The interests and futures of all concerned were in India, not in ancestral homelands in the Middle East or Central Asia. Furthermore, the Mughal Empire emerged from the Indian historical experience. It was the end product of a millennium of Muslim conquest, colonization, and state-building in the Indian subcontinent."
Nomination of Nizam's Carnatic campaigns (1725-27) for deletion
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editHello, I've been improving the Mahmud Gawan article lately and I was wondering if you knew if the conflict mentioned here, in 1462 between the Bahmanis and Malwa, Khandesh, and some other states is present in any article we have already. Is it at all related to the war between Orissa and the Bahmanis the year prior, or the later Bahmani invasion of Orissa? There's plenty of content there to make an article, I just want to make sure I'm not duplicating anything. Thanks. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 00:36, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
Mughal dynasty
editHello, There is recently going a dispute in the Mughal dynasty's talk page, Whether we should add "Indian Muslim" before the empire in the lead or not, Though there are several WP:RS by well reputed historians such as [1] which calls it Indo-Muslim, it still remains a matter of dispute and a RFC maybe gets held there. You can consider going there and give your vote/opinions on that. Thank you. Malik-Al-Hind (talk) 10:34, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- No one's saying the wording of "Indo-Muslim" (or Indian Muslim) should be in the lead, as has already been discussed in the RfC at the Mughal Empire page; this is about whether we should add "Indian" at all, and as I have said there I think it should be "Indianized Turco-Mongol" instead. Imperial also seems to be on a Wikibreak right now and you shouldn't expect him to comment on these discussions right now. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 10:37, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- What is the difference between Indo-Muslim or Indian? The discussion remains same. Multiple WP:RS sources indeed state that the empire became Indian. Imperial is on a wikibreak but I only messaged him in case if he is using wiki and sees the message. Malik-Al-Hind (talk) 10:44, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Also, I don't disagree with you either. My suggestion is the same. But instead of "Indianized" turco mongol dynasty, I prefer to add "Indian Turco-Mongol dynasty" which is much better and is supported by appropriate sources. Consider having an RFC instead there. Malik-Al-Hind (talk) 10:49, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Nomination of Battle of Jhain for deletion
editNomination of Battle of Jhain for deletion
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- ^ Richards, John F. (1995), The Mughal Empire, Cambridge University Press, p. 2, ISBN 978-0-521-56603-2, archived from the original on 22 September 2023, retrieved 9 August 2017 Quote: "Although the first two Timurid emperors and many of their noblemen were recent migrants to the subcontinent, the dynasty and the empire itself became indisputably Indian. The interests and futures of all concerned were in India, not in ancestral homelands in the Middle East or Central Asia. Furthermore, the Mughal Empire emerged from the Indian historical experience. It was the end product of a millennium of Muslim conquest, colonization, and state-building in the Indian subcontinent."