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Please edit the Introduction to the Second Amendment article, as agreed upon here. Thank you. SMP0328. (talk) 23:00, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Uh, I see a significant oppose to that, and I don't think it is factually accurate; there are gun control laws throughout the United States administered by federal, state, and local governments (examples 'no assault rifles', etc.). —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 06:50, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

welcome

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Hi, thanks for the welcome template. My best areas are anything to do with preparation for Normandy, Allied preparation, Rommel's defensive planning, etc. So if you want to assign me a task, I'm happy for it. Thanks.Malke2010 17:47, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I found Operation Normandy. Seems like a great group of editors.Malke2010 22:43, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Hey! :D

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I doubt you've gotten the email, but screw that (btw, happy 4th!). I miss posting on people's talk pages, and I get edit-conflict nostalgia. :) Where is Chamal and everyone, anyways? And how is life? I feel guilty about ranting on and on about myself without hearing a peep from you. Hope you're still rolling in featured articles and other...substances.

Just keeping you posted - I'm heading to the MTNA competition in the fall.


NATIONALS!

Even after you're recovered from your seizure, you won't know how happy I am. My lifelong dream is finally being fulfilled, everything is falling into place...I'm slowly stepping out into the spotlight. Slowly! And I've been spending the entire month of June at TCU during their PianoTexas festival no, I do not expect you to click every link, where I've got to meet lots of other pianists as cuckoo as myself, perhaps some even more so. In addition, I might be able to see my *wink wink* uncle *wink wink* in a few months. Rare sighting, indeed! To call it a Romeo/Juliet rendevous is a bit trashy, but...meh. One can only hope that he still looks forward to it as much as I do.

All this rl business takes away from a lot of my other hobbies (like WP, of course) but I'm actually enjoying life, which I think (if you are the friend I remember you to be) should make you smile at least. Eh? Eh?? Yeah, I see that grin! Because I'm right outside your window, naturally.

And I've said this a million times, (and I know that repeating this so often is a bit awkward) but I really miss how Wikipedia used to be. It's strained and I know it. I can't shake the feeling that I've let everyone down. My "adoptees," for example, if I can call them that, are just left dangling. SinglishSpeaker - what happened to her? Spittle? Where has he gone?

For the hundredth time, miss all of you guys (TPS'ers, you reading?) to pieces. Hearts and hugs, etc.,

—La Pianista ♫ ♪ 05:50, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, since you are apparently allergic to IRC, I hope you don't mind me polluting your page with some questions about Iowa. Hey, you did it to yourself...bumface.
"The ship escorted U.S. aircraft carriers conducting air raids in the Marianas campaign, then was present at the Battle of Leyte Gulf."
It could be more specific here if we said what the ship did at Leyte Gulf. —La Pianista ♫ ♪ 05:59, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
I just got on IRC when I saw this (good timing to check this before bed!). So get back on. Now. :P Otherwise, I'll respond to this tomorrow. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 06:03, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
(e/c) Yay~ —La Pianista ♫ ♪ 06:14, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
Durr, we still haven't answered my grammar question. Well. Take your time - I'll just keep dropping Q's sporadically.
The paragraph on the BB-16 under "Ships" needs more transitional phrases. Every sentence virtually begins with "Iowa." —La Pianista ♫ ♪ 20:43, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
@First question, it's a class article, so its necessarily skimpy.
@Second, okay, go right ahead and do it. ;)
@Everything else, Chamal is doing fine, but he's retired. Congratulations, even though I told you that on IRC too! Not many TPS'ers from that time are still around.[1] That weirdo named Pianista is virtually gone, Parsec wasn't around then, Icy is mostly gone, Tom doesn't post much here anymore, Ollie doesn't post much here anymore, MBK does occasionally, Chamal is retired, and even JC isn't on-wiki too terribly much anymore. Alright, see ya around. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 22:35, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
If you're going to settle for "skimpy," then what work have I to do? i ain't gonna lowr ma standerds 4 ur bad inglesh
I'll go ahead with the second if you want. You asked for it. Keep an eye out for those little words I may write that drastically change the entire meaning.
Chamal...retired?! Gosh. He was the most cool-headed and humble guy I'd ever heard of. Shame to see him - and everyone else - go. —La Pianista ♫ ♪ 02:00, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
<<unsolicited and unappreciated interruption>> Aaa - congrats congrats congrats Pianista - the music geeky part of me is happy for you. Oh, and don't feel too bad about "letting everyone down" (Ed told you already, I'm "mostly gone" ) Even over the summer, studies and music and everything really eat me up. Vell. Had to say hi. Oh, and @ Ed - I'm still stalking yo, I just don't say much any more. Sorry :/ Now I'm even guiltier than ever, guess that's a good thing... Icy // ♫ 20:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm sure Pianista won't mind the interruption. :-) No problem, but feel free to comment more if you like! Don't be guilty for having a real life, pal. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 20:46, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Eh. Thanks :] Barely know what I should be doing now (any suggestions?) Guess I'll get back to the old c/e stuff . . . Icy // ♫ 20:53, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm working on ARA Moreno and/or User:The_ed17/Sandbox/Rivadavia class battleship (which I saw you already edited ;), but otherwise there are a couple interesting articles over at WP:MHR#A-CLASS. I really liked Wehwalt's Ernest Augustus I of Hanover... his nomination says it all: "Ernest, in addition to being a king and earlier a politician, had a military career of forty years, though for most of that he, as a royal duke, sat on the sidelines and interfered with politics. Ernest is an interesting character, he was called the most unpopular man in England, was rumoured to have murdered his valet, had a son by his sister, and supposedly planned to kill Princess Victoria so he could take the British throne for himself. Yet he seems to have done a good job as king. A lot of contradictions here." :-) —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 20:59, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Awesome (thanks again) I suppose that I'll take a look at one of those. I haz a question: I stumbled upon Japanese aircraft carrier Ryūjō while avoiding practice and there's a random link to this in the middle of the Flagship section. It seems to be an attempt at citing that website but before properly making it a source, I looked into the site... it seems to be one of those compilations someone does of some material from a whole lot of books - see this. WP:RELIABLE? Icy // ♫ 21:12, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Don't think it's reliable, so I removed it :-) —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 21:28, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

I've poked around with what I do not know your to-do list and am working a little on USS Arizona (BB-39) atm. Is it okay for me to switch to this from Iowa? No hurt feelings, I hope? Further, is it going for GA/FA soon? —La Pianista ♫ ♪ from a public library CPU with 4 minutes left on the clock 18:24, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

22 secs remaining! How was Tchaikovsky? —La Pianista ♫ ♪ 18:27, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Haven't even started Arizona yet. :p I've only worked on ARA Moreno and User:The_ed17/Sandbox/Rivadavia class battleship. No hurt feelings at all, I'm sure. Haven't had a chance to listen to Tchaikovsky yet -- basement flooded again tonight, and I have work in the morning -> evening. Hoping/aiming for tomorrow. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 06:36, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Then I'll start playing around in your sandbox. As if I haven't already been playing in other things of yours...
Yikes about your work schedule. Busy fellow! Take your time, and don't drown in either the water or your workload. —La Pianista ♫ ♪ 15:59, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
Creeper. The Tchaikovsky was pure awesomeness. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 03:55, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Pure? Ooh, tell me more, you dirty fool. The creepness...it is tantalizing. in all seriousness, kthnx! —La Pianista ♫ ♪ 03:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
You're welcome. :-) —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 09:19, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

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Assessment Drive Challenge: WikiProject U.S. Public Policy

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Thanks for the star

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... and nicely done with the text on my userpage. About a month ago, we were having little resistance to ship articles at FAC and I was happy to review and watch them sail through, but times have changed ... now it's one hard slog after another. I'm going to shift strategy and approach FAC as a writer and nommer rather than reviewer ... if all goes well, hopefully I'll get more pretty stars, and more important, I'll get a good working relationship with the reviewers. (Watching) - Dank (push to talk) 00:39, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Good, I'm glad to hear that you will finally be accepting nom credit(s). ;-) —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 05:15, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

RFA Thank spam

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  Thank you for voting in my RfA, which failed with 10 support, 26 oppose, and 13 neutral. Your comments were much appreciated.

On a personal note, thanks for pointing out my content writing errors Ed. I'll try to be more thorough in writing articles. (If only I had more sources!)--White Shadows There goes another day 16:28, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing, and thank you for getting Sokol. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 05:02, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
That RFA seems to show how mine would look if White Shadows nom'd me after my wiki-birthday. I've decided to decline that offer if it comes up. Buggie111 (talk) 13:46, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

ARA Moreno

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Hi, apologies for my belated response; I'm really very busy in real time. Your article is quite good, at this moment I'm unsure I could add too much to them. The history of the ships can be obtained at "HISTARMAR" website (in spanish), not too exciting for certain; the book's text was quite brief. I suggest you summarize the ship's history in the class article, as a more detailed one should be in each ship's article.
I still want to expand these articles, if only I had more time... Regards, DPdH (talk) 12:57, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

A few links: here, here and http://www.histarmar.com.ar/Armada%20Argentina/Buques1900a1970/AcARAMoreno-Historia.htm. Images are courtesy of the Departamento de Estudios Historicos Navales and the Museo de la Base Naval de Puerto Belgrano. The website creator is Carlos Mey; Carlos doesn't believe in in-line citations, so it's hard to know where the information comes from. He says some of it is from early editions of Jane's, and some from: "Apuntes sobre los buques de la Armada Argentina", Tomo V, del CN C Pablo E. Arguindeguy. - Dank (push to talk) 15:34, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
P.S. I haven't encountered that link bug before; nothing I do can get that last link to work, because it needs a space (not an underline, not a non-breaking space) to work. To visit the link, block and copy the http link into your url window in your browser. - Dank (push to talk) 15:42, 10 July 2010 (UTC) Aha, I got a glimpse of the cabal's super-secret decoder ring; the magic symbols for a space are "%20". Link is now clickable. - Dank (push to talk) 18:46, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Hahah, all you had to do was copy your own link; my computer automatically converted it to a %20. :-) We may be able to use Histarmar in Moreno—Poder Naval Online wasn't challenged for Brazilian battleship Minas Geraes or Brazilian cruiser Bahia. Question: would those images, as works of the Argentine government, fall into the public domain or anything like that? I'm not versed in Argentine copyright laws (although you probably aren't either...). —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 02:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm crap on anything involving images. Maybe MRG or MLauba will know about the copyright question. As for using the web site, I have no idea if Carlos Mey is a published expert in the field, and my usual tricks to find out won't work outside the English language. Sorry if I'm coming across as negative, but FAC is hard enough when the sources are in English, and there are a bunch of fires to put out at FAC as we speak. I'm really not sure how to approach some of this article's potential issues. - Dank (push to talk) 02:35, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Dany Saadia

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I just wanted to note that I have undeleted the page Talk:Dany Saadia, which you had deleted, per a request from MichaelQSchmidt (talk · contribs). You had deleted it as a WP:CSD#G8 because the article had been deleted, but the article was subsequently restored by the admin who deleted, so it seemed reasonable to restore the talk page as well. Normally I would consult first before undoing another admin's deletion, but in this case it seemed uncontroversial enough to do it first and just let you know after. Let me know if you have any concerns. --RL0919 (talk) 18:03, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

That is a 100% fine by me. Thanks for the note, but I wouldn't have held it against you if you hadn't left one. :-) Regards, —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 07:32, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

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Pay attention dummy

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You wrongly reverted an edit to Sturgeon Bay Wisconsin The mayor's not Tom Vogle anymore, there was an election and Thad Birmingham is the new mayor.

I'm adding it back in. Next time don't revert a local's correction without knowing the facts.

CypherC (talk) 02:52, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Whoa, please don't be so combative! I reverted all of this IP's edits after a post they made on another editor's talk page. You see, 99% of the time, an editor that attacks someone in that manner is a vandal and previously made false contributions to other pages. It appears that this fell into the 1%. Thanks for changing it back, and you have my apologies. Kind regards, —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 03:03, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Re: Welcome Back

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Thanks. I'm not completely back, but helping out MOTD and some anti vandal work. I couldn't keep away forever. :) --LAAFan 20:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Excuse me

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Why have you reverted my edit to Republic of Ireland? The official name of the state is Ireland, Republic of Ireland is its description. Thank you. O Fenian (talk) 16:02, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Huh? It looks like "officially" was in the article before the IP's reverts.[2] —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 16:05, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
It looks like it was changed on this edit on 12 July and missed for 4 days before being reverted, it has been stable as "described" (which is correct) for quite some time prior to that. O Fenian (talk) 16:07, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Oh, I see, I'll revert my edit now. Thanks for the correction! —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 16:09, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
It is ok, it took me a few minutes to work out where "officially" had been added. O Fenian (talk) 16:12, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

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ITN/C

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Could I trouble you to take another look? I removed and re-wrote the section. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:22, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Looks like David Levy posted it. My apologies, I was at work. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 05:39, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

French frigate Isère

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Any chance you or someone in your WikiProject has the references to write at least a brief article on the French frigate Isère? It is the vessel that transported my current project, the Statue of Liberty to the US, and I'd love to see a bleu link (ha ha) for it.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:20, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

I just looked through Conway's All the World's Fighting Ships 1860-1905 and couldn't find a mention of the ship. Are you sure it's a frigate? Parsecboy (talk) 15:37, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
According to The Statue of Liberty Encyclopedia, p. 122: "Isère Frigate of the French navy that transported the Statue of Liberty to the United States. A bark-rigged vessel of 1,000 tons burden and 1,350 displacement, it was one of six men-of-war used for the transportation of soldiers, munitions, and supplies to French colonies. It was painted white for tropical service." Other references I have simply call her a warship.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:56, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Hm, this article makes it clear she was a transport vessel, not a fighting ship], at least in 1885. People are pretty loose when it comes to terms of art.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:00, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
I don't have any sources on her, sorry. http://www.miramarshipindex.org.nz/ should have something if you want to utilize the seven-day free trial... it'll provide only basic statistics on size, length, service life, the owners (if there was more than one), and stuff like that. Along with that encyclopedia mention, it should be enough to create a stub with an infobox. Sorry I can't be of more help. Regarding the classification, warship definitions are pretty fluid. Some sources use the word "battleship" to describe both the Finnish Ilmarien, a 3,900t ship with four 10-inch guns, and the Japanese Yamato, a 72,000t ship with nine 18-inch guns. That's just the tip of the iceberg. :-) —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 06:19, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Not worth the bother. If I come across information in my Statue researches (now at PR, by the way), i'll write one myself. Thanks.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:28, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

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I must say...

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...Your writing is getting better and better. Condescending? Only if you want it to be. I don't mean it to be, of course. Yeah. Seriously, I'm finding fewer and fewer things to pick on. Keep it up and I'll be out of work! :p —La Pianista ♫ ♪ 04:31, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Why thank you, Lady Pianista. :-) —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 06:30, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

SMS Viribus Unitis

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Hey I remember that you did not like the fact that I tend to add in huge general characteristic sections to battleship articles. I have this one article SMS Viribus Unitis up for a GAN and it has a fairly long service record but I need help trimming the general characteristics section. Can you help me so that way I have a guideline for the general characteristics section of future battleship articles?--White Shadows It's a wonderful life 21:09, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

I can't really point you to one for because in my view, it depends on the length of the article and how many ships were in the class. If the ship was the only one in her class, then there has to be a long characteristics because there will be no class article. If the article is short, then the characteristics should be cut in comparison. I don't have a problem with HMS Lion (1910)'s characteristics because the article is so detailed; it naturally fits in. When characteristics take up 40% or more of the entire article, however... Do you see my point? —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 17:55, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Well the characteristics section is about 3-4 paragraphs long. (really 4 but one of them is so small that you could combine it with another) while the service history section is about 9 paragraphs long divided into 3-4 sub sections. Perhaps I should cut a bit of the characteristics section out? I'm not really sure, the article is a good GA candidate but I don't want another example of my "lack of article quality" to come up again. I'm trying to be more thorough in my article writing outside of the topic of U-boats which I've almost got down to a science with the exception of some stray books that cited Wikipedia that somehow got put into a GA of mine, U-42.--White Shadows It's a wonderful life 16:35, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
It looks much better to me now. I was going to suggest killing the armor paragraph too, but Cam got to it first. :-) —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 07:33, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
I'll second that, it's much better now. I normally use a short section like this as a baseline for individual ship articles. Of course, if there were extensive modernizations to a ship that weren't done to her sisters, then yes that more technical information belongs in the article (compare this with this). Parsecboy (talk) 13:05, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Alright. Thanks for telling me that and helping out a bit/ Now I have a base for the other Tegetthoff's.--White Shadows It's a wonderful life 15:21, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

To do list

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  1. Japanese battleship Musashi (started)
  2. Tosa-class battleship (not started)
  3. User:The ed17/Sandbox/Rivadavia class battleship
  4. Chilean battleship Almirante Latorre (not started, next?)
  5. Brazilian battleship Riachuelo (need armament stuff)
  6. South American dreadnought arms race - right name? (not started)
  7. USS Arizona (BB-39) (not started, will be a collab with Sturm)

Of RFCs and blocks

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I would recommend against blocking anyone at the moment; this matter will make its way before the Arbitration Committee in due time, and I would hate to see something like a messy unblock debate interfere with the expected outcome. ;-) Kirill [talk] [prof] 23:16, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that was written when I was in a bad state-of-mind. I read your post and thought it would be a good idea to take a walk. :-) I'm back now and calmer (plus listening to Pink Floyd!), so I've refactored the post and I'm certainly not going to block him. Thanks for the note, Kirill. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 00:49, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
I just wanted to add that I'm very grateful for your support and kind words on the RfC (as I am to all editors who've commented in kind); from an editor of your calibre, it means a lot. I went into this with eyes open though, and the attacks on my, Enigma's and Nick's integrity are not entirely unexpected, as is the abuse you and others have had to endure for honestly stating your views. I think sadly such attacks, especially in such a pubic venue, reflect more about the judgement of the individuals making them than on their targets, and it's a worthwhile price to pay for getting this all out into the open and hopefully (as Kirill indicates) reaching some sort of lasting solution. Trust that Wikipedia will be better for it in the end :) EyeSerenetalk 08:46, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
I'd second EyeSerene's comments. Nick-D (talk) 08:52, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
Thirded. I'll be adding to the RfC probably today. Cam (Chat)(Prof) 15:25, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
Pah. "An editor of your calibre"? To bad my calibre is minuscule compared to you guys! I'm happy to take some heat if it means resolving this issue which has plagued so many editors I respect or count as good friends (you three fit in both). It's a little disconcerting to me that I lost my temper—I'm relatively sure the last time that happened was in May 2009—but at least I didn't do anything too crazy. ;-) —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 07:33, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Everyone's got a snapping point and this process has been... provocative, at times. However, I see part of becoming an admin as accepting two realities: firstly, that Wikipedia's normal civility rules are often greatly relaxed when talking about admins, and secondly that using the admin tools will bruise egos and upset people, and in some of those cases truth will take a back seat to the need for revenge. I feel the same way that you do when I see some of our top editors being dragged through the mud and I've let my frustration show on occasion, but we're not robots. Your response just confirms my feeling that this needs to be dealt with and we're doing the right thing. If Wikipedia can't protect the quality content contributors that are its most valuable assets (amongst whom I don't count myself because I don't write content, I just ce it sometimes), then I truly believe we're all wasting our time on this site. EyeSerenetalk 08:27, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
A lesson I learnt from the most stressful disagreement I've had on Wikipedia (see Talk:Hyūga class helicopter destroyer/Archive 1) is that it's important to keep things in their proper perspective. When small numbers of disruptive editors cause problems, it's best to respond only to any substantive points they make (the first time they make them) and take care to not respond to disruption itself. If these guys aren't provided with oxygen their disruption is quickly exposed. If their disruption is engaged with in detail it rapidly appears that there's a genuine discussion going on, when in fact its often a tiny number of boneheads spouting large quantities of what's mostly nonsense at an much greater number of level-headed and succinct editors. The editor I was involved with in the above dispute ended up at ArbCom where their blatantly disruptive behavior there lead to a fairly serious punishment (see Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Tang Dynasty). I'm sorry to say that I expect the same outcome here. Nick-D (talk) 08:50, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
I remember that well Nick - I think the ANI thread (archived) where I responded to your complaint was the first time we'd met, in fact. It was certainly one of my first difficult experiences as an admin (I'd only been in the role a couple of months)... and you never did get that apology! I agree with your advice though - I'll often wait until the next morning to respond to something and then having slept on it, decide there's no point. It doesn't always work, but at a minimum it filters out trolls and people looking for a fight quite well. EyeSerenetalk 12:38, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks Nick, I'll definitely keep that in mind! ES, that's why I took the walk, but I should have done that before posting, not after. :) —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 01:05, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

WP:ANI

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Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. TomStar81 (Talk) 00:37, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

I've emailed you, just to let you know. Cam (Chat)(Prof) 02:07, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
I've replied —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 07:33, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Rivadavia class battleship: DYK

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Hi Ed,

There is a discussion at my talk page User talk:Pink Bull#DYK x5 expansion where your input would be appreciated. Thanks, --PinkBull 15:33, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

I've replied there, thanks for the note, and I hope I've clarified matters! —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 07:33, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Yes, thanks. Sorry for the belated response. I was unable to edit the last few days. Two things I wanted to further clarify, if you don't mind. Why is it preferred to move your rewritten article into the mainspace instead of copy and pasting? Also, when the page is moved and the histories are merged, how can a DYK reviewer determine what was written in userspace and what was written in mainspace? In your specific scenario it may have been easier to figure out by seeing when you starting editing the article and assuming that's when the mainspace editing began. But is there a more technical way of figuring it out? I don't mean to nibble at your edits, I ask only because I would like to be an administrator and want to make sure I'm not missing anything. Thanks, --PinkBull 19:49, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
Cut-and-paste moves do not comply with Wikipedia's CC copyright; see Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia and Wikipedia:How to fix cut-and-paste moves.
Your second question was why I realized "I should have specified this in my [DYK nomination]". There is no way to tell the two apart unless you go through and compare various versions. In this case, it was relatively simple, as the only interjecting edit in the history is this one. Other histmerged articles can have multiple edits mixed together, which is why WP:CUT has a note stating: "Warning: this procedure may only be undone by spending quite silly amounts of time. ... Do not do this if you're not sure what you're doing." :-)
In this case, I should have provided diffs of the old article and the logs demonstrating when I moved it. My apologies. If there is anything more I can help with, or any more questions I can answer, just ask! —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 01:13, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. I was aware of how copy and paste effects attribution, but thought it did not apply to your case. If you rewrote the entire article in your userspace, it will be attributed to you whether you copy and paste your version to the mainspace or move your version to the main space. That's if you rewrote it yourself, but if other editors helped you in your userspace a move would be proper because of the attribution. Let me know if I'm incorrect.
Also, if you don't mind, can you please clarify what you meant by "interjecting edit"? Thanks, --PinkBull 05:41, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
I suppose you're right; I never thought about it from that angle. In any case, User:Dank copyedited it in my userspace. :-)
What I mean is that normally there are a lot of edits like this (history link) that are interwoven with the new version. When two articles are histmerged together, every edit is merged chronologically—you could have 250 edits from article "A" mixed together with 250 edits from article "B", for instance. Does that clarify it enough (not sure)? —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 07:50, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
I think I understand. If histories are merged, the resulting chronology of the edit history will not make sense to a reader looking at the history diff by diff. So by "interjecting edit" you mean an edit that is chronologically inconsistent? --PinkBull 16:02, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Well, it isn't inconsistent aree persay. It's perfect chronologically, but the two different versions of the article are mixed together. So by "interjecting edit", I mean a diff that goes from version "A" to "B".  Ed (talk • majestic titan) 19:41, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for explaining.--PinkBull 13:50, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Rivadavia class battleship

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— Rlevse • Talk • 06:02, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Rlevse —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 07:33, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

ITN

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Hey Ed, thanks for your work at ITN- we definitely need more admin hands there. Just make sure you remember to reset the timer so we know how long it's been since the last update! ;) Cheers, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:43, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Ach, I was wondering if I forgot something! Thanks for the note. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 01:06, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

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Alaska drawing

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Hey again Ed,

I've pretty much finalised the Alaska class cruiser drawing. I have totally updated it this time and it's ready to be uploaded to Wikipedia. Let me know how to do this and I'll get it done. The finished file is a Shipbucket-style .PNG image to comply with Wikipedia, and I'd appreciate it if it was left in its original format and not converted to .SVG. Colosseum (talk) 20:48, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Hey Col, long time no talk! To upload it, go here and follow the directions. PNG would be fine; I think it was the GIF scaling that made the image blurry. No one is going to randomly poke in and convert it to SVG now that the article isn't going through a FAC review, so no worries there. :-) I'm looking forward to seeing it! —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 00:52, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Hey Ed, I've uploaded five versions of the ship.
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    Alaska, 1945
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    Guam, '44
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    Guam, '45
I also drew the USS Guam (it was modified only slightly, with a few radio aerials and the like changed). I don't consider myself qualified enough with the actual Wikipedia itself to insert these into the articles, I'll leave that honor to you. Thanks again. Colosseum (talk) 04:22, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Well, you found out how to do galleries, so you're at least partially wiki-qualified! :-) I added the general and Alaska 1944 images to Alaska class cruiser, and the two relevant photos each to USS Alaska (CB-1) and USS Guam (CB-2). They all look beautiful! Some interesting camouflage schemes in 1944... thank you so much for uploading them! —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 07:15, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
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