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This is where the Did you know section on the main page, its policies, and its processes can be discussed.

Really?

My DYK nominations were closed due to a DYK timeout, simply because they weren’t reviewed within the required two months. Reviewers repeatedly apologized for the delayed review process, blaming it on being "too busy." This is not my problem; it's the reviewers' fault. They only got around to reviewing my nominations right at the last minute. So, what’s the issue, DYK review team? If you’re volunteering, shouldn’t you take your responsibilities seriously? I pinged multiple times, yet my nominations were still delayed and ignored. When they were finally reviewed, they were rejected—a truly frustrating move. Where can I report these DYK reviewers and promoters for intentionally delaying reviews and failing to do their jobs? Hteiktinhein (talk) 05:26, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Most of them, @Theleekycauldron and @Launchballer are worsted. Shame on you. Hteiktinhein (talk) 05:30, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry your nomination wasn't successful. For what it's worth, I didn't receive your ping on November 12. Looks like it was because the original ping was malformed. I don't think it'd be unreasonable for the nomination to be reopened, but that's up to Launchballer :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 05:56, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the apology; I accept it. However, this situation has harmed my hard work, and I spent many weeks trying to promote these nominations, even during times when I had no internet access. In the end, my hopes were destroyed. I still want to report Launchballer at ANI for closing the case without proper research, as I believe his actions exceed his position. His actions were very rude, and he didn’t provide any explanation. It seems like he just wanted to show who’s the boss on DYK channel. Hteiktinhein (talk) 06:04, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

At the very least, @Launchballer should have pinged you with something like, “@Theleekycauldron, do you have any questions on this DYK? I need to close it because it’s now two months old; this is marked for closure per WP:DYKTIMEOUT.” But he did nothing. The nomination had already been marked as a pass by @User:Crisco 1492. Then, you came and asked questions about the sources, and I responded, but you didn’t see my answer because my ping was malformed. That’s not my fault, and I feel that I’ve been treated unjustly. Hteiktinhein (talk) 06:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

There is no "DYK review team". If your nominations are interesting or worthwhile of being on DYK, they will get reviewed by other editors. This has been explained to you previously. If, on the other hand,

• the nominations repeatedly show errors, or
• if the nominator is frequently combative, demanding, condescending or obstructive, or
• if they threaten to report failures of non-existent responsibility to non-existent forums without reflecting that three consecutive nominations have been timed out because of their problems,

then other editors (who, to repeat, are not part of any "DYK review team") will generally be less willing to review them. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:13, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Of course, there’s no official "DYK review team," but I can see that you and a few related editors have a strong influence or dominate on the DYK forum, mostly because there are only a few volunteers on the DYK project. Yes...you are the boss. Please do whatever you want. Hteiktinhein (talk) 21:06, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I'll be honest, after I nominated Chrystal (musician), I took one look at the pile of untranscluded noms at the bottom of T:TDYK and literally skimmed off all of the noms that qualified. If I reopen this, I will do so at Approved.--Launchballer 11:02, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Launchballer, the reviewer was concerned about sourcing and UNDUE for this BLP. Valereee (talk) 18:44, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Hence the 'if'.--Launchballer 18:57, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

For example, my noms have either been reviewed within a week or after more than a month. My view is that noms shouldn't be closed if no one has reviewed it within two months time. Only if the nom has unresolved issues by that time (provided at at least a week notice was given), then a closure would be appropriate. I notice that the DYKTIMEOUT was only added quite recently so not all are aware of it. Take a look at WP:GAN. You'll notice articles at GAN for over four months. I've probably reviewed/promoted more DYK articles than I nominated at this stage. JuniperChill (talk) 14:34, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

On the other hand, one of the reasons the time out was implemented was because it was argued that uninteresting hooks were being passed over, so if they kept being passed over, they could be rejected on those grounds. It's also not mandatory and is under editor discretion, so just because a nomination is two months old does not necessarily mean it should be closed, especially if there's a good reason behind it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Maybe we should have a system where first time nominators get some extra hand-holding. DYK has a crazy pile of rules, not all of which are written down. Offering some kind of mentorship to newbies might help them be more successful. I could imagine something in the nomination form which recognizes that this is your first submission and and adds Category:DYK first time nominations to it. Then people who are interested in helping could just watch that category. RoySmith (talk) 17:16, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

That’s a fair point. Thanks for it. This is my first time, and all the articles are very interesting. Most of my nominations were already approved and then pulled down in the Preparation area, which is heartbreaking. If there were errors or problems with the articles, they should have been addressed during the review process, and the nominations shouldn’t have been approved so easily. There should also be a rule to penalize reviewers if articles they’ve reviewed are pulled down after being approved. I’m very frustrated that all my nominations were rejected after being approved and delayed by reviewers. Hteiktinhein (talk) 20:50, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

re: There should also be a rule to penalize reviewers if articles they’ve reviewed are pulled down after being approved -- that would make people unwilling to review unless forced to. It would be great if all reviewers were uniformly excellent, but many reviewers are nearly as inexperienced as you are. Valereee (talk) 19:03, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't think the word "penalize" has any place in a collaborative project. We're all here for the same purpose. Some of us have different opinions, differing skill levels, or different amounts of time they can devote to this. If somebody's work wasn't as good as you'd hoped it would be, you should be thinking encouragement and education, not penalizing. RoySmith (talk) 19:08, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

It's not explicit, but we already have the QPQ counter at the bottom of nominations saying if a nominator has less than five nominations or not. It could already work as an (unofficial?) way to tell which nominators are new or not. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:56, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

• Penalizing a first-time nominator because no one decided to review their articles for a month and a half – when they were then receptive and tried to fix the issues – strikes me as very unfair, especially since DYKTIMEOUT is not a requirement – it is a small bit on the guidelines page that "at the discretion of reviewers" they can be timed out (not required to be). When progress is being made, IMO I don't think they should be closed solely because a few editors want to keep strict compliance with a guideline that does not require it. I think these should be re-opened. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:36, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

• It looks like there were multiple concerns expressed, and this is a BLP.

@Hteiktinhein, you'll catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Threatening to take someone to ANI because they closed your DYK is not going to encourage volunteers to get involved with your future nominations. Your work isn't harmed and your hopes aren't destroyed; a simple "Hey, first time nom here...my nomination got rejected because I wasn't able to communicate effectively with the reviewer, can anyone help?" would probably have gotten someone to take a look. Valereee (talk) 18:41, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

• Hello all. I have not been active for some time on this project. But, this WP:DYKTIMEOUT -- is that a new policy? I see an edit to the rules in July of this year, did I miss an RFC on this topic? Also, the two month counter is it that a nomination times out when:

1. No reviewer picks up the DYK review by two months after the nomination?
2. DYK review is not completed within two months of the nomination?
3. DYK review is not completed within two months AFTER the start of a review?
4. DYK review has not had a response by the nominator for two months after a comment / feedback has been provided by the reviewer?

Scenarios 1, 2, and 3 are unfair. One could argue that scenario 3 might be indicative of a problem with the nomination. Scenario 4 is quite generous and I can see how that duration can be 15 days or so. Also, there are folks that mention that this is discretionary guideline, I think a rule has to be codified one way or the other. Leaving it to discretion is not right imo. Ktin (talk) 04:02, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Anyone who wants to make sure stuff doesn't time out can find a list of older nominations needing reviewers, which are posted regularly here on this page. Much like life, there's a lot that isn't fair about how DYK works, but in this case you are absolutely able to help make things fairer. Valereee (talk) 13:23, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm sure some DYK historians will remember the details better, but my recollection is that the timeout rule mostly grew out of frustration with some battleground nominations that were dragging on forever. This seemed like a way to cut off debate. I'm less excited about it being used in cases where nobody got around to reviewing it yet. RoySmith (talk) 14:58, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

One queue left

Just going to note here that I populated a lot of Preps 1 through 5, and thus I cannot promote.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:51, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Why is it that the next six preps contain five hooks on Polish literature, in addition to one that ran a couple of days ago? Did no-one think to space them out? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:57, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

I actually reviewed the first hook last night as it was three in the morning and I couldn't sleep. From memory, the article seems fine, though both it and another exceeds 200 characters, and that Nazi hook definitely fails WP:DYKINT (and there probably shouldn't be two train hooks). I'll do a deep dive in the evening if no-one else does by then - and I think I'll pull every other Polish hook while I'm at it.--Launchballer 13:00, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• I'm seeing that these were promoted by two or three people (the one in Prep 1 was promoted by Leeky, for example). So part of it is probably a lack of communication.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:08, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Pulled Krzyż i półksiężyc and kicked back Kazimierz Sakowicz.--Launchballer 17:06, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Posted. I kicked back the second train hook and pulled the Nazi hook.--Launchballer 00:22, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

While we're here, just noting that the currently-running image hook shouldn't be there per the "diversion" part of WP:DYKIMG (@ promoter Crisco 1492). ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:05, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• Hi AirshipJungleman29, we delinked Taylor Swift specifically because of the "diversion" part. The tour is linked, which could have been removed as well, but the way I saw it, having TS on the main page is a sure way to capture eyes. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:08, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

See also #How You Get the Girl.--Launchballer 13:09, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Planning on queuing prep 2 this evening. @Theleekycauldron, RoySmith, and Chipmunkdavis:, you've all raised concerns about Destruction of cultural heritage during the Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip - have they been resolved or should it go to GAR, because I don't plan on kicking this back again (it's been in the preps over a month)?--Launchballer 16:25, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Sigh. I had some time last night to work on DYK, so I took a look at the next prep set up for promotion, i.e. Prep 2 where Destruction of cultural heritage during the Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip is. I don't think we should be running that article because of the POV-pushing. I happen to agree with the POV, but I don't see the wikipedia main page as the place to be promoting that. The sigh at the beginning of this is because I fear I will get dragged into a longer discussion about this, which I don't want. But since you explicitly asked for my opinion, I've given it. RoySmith (talk) 16:34, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

+1 to all of that. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Pulled. I'll have a rummage round the preps after I've eaten, unless either of you want to promote something from Approved.--Launchballer 20:14, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

What is the POV supposedly being pushed, other than the neutral point of view of reliable sources that this military action has resulted in the destruction of cultural heritage? With sources like mainstream news (The Observer, NPR), academically-published journals (Public Archaeology, by Taylor and Francis)... I would hope that the existence of a people group's cultural heritage isn't to be considered too controversial to mention. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 20:36, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

@Theleekycauldron, RoySmith, Chipmunkdavis, Launchballer, and Hydrangeans: Thank you for taking the time to consider the hook. I especially appreciate that extra time was given twice to address the concerns raised by editors, and a third time would not have been reasonable. I had been thinking about this myself as if further issues were raised I would not have time to adequately address them before the end of the month due to other commitments. It probably would not have been fair to the DYK community to take up more of their time.

While I am of course disappointed the actionable feedback here has helped. A topic of this nature was always going to be contentious. Where there are outstanding concerns about the article I am more than happy to discuss them at another venue, the article talk page might be best and GAR if needed. Richard Nevell (talk) 19:53, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Responding to ping, many of my points were addressed and the article improved, a couple of issues hung around. Much like RoySmith, this isn't something I am looking to go back into, I do wish more people had weighed in during the initial discussion. CMD (talk) 03:20, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Broken nomination

I promoted Dolichostachys, and the nomination is broken. It would be great if someone could fix this. JuniperChill (talk) 19:42, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

 Done JuniperChill. Ethmostigmus, note that your signature is breaking templates per the penultimate paragraph of WP:FANCYSIG. Please change the "|" to the special code |. Thanks. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:44, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Ah that must be why. I'm quite new to Wikipedia (only joined Dec 2023) and have always been using a default signature. I didn't think the | 'vertical bar' character would break things, especially since that's used to pipe links and stuff. JuniperChill (talk) 00:27, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

So sorry about that, sig should be fixed now! I had no idea the | would cause issues (it wasn't flagged as an issue with my previous DYK nom) but very glad that you pointed it out. Cheers, Ethmostigmus 🌿 (talk | contribs) 01:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Ethmostigmus, at your last nomination JuniperChill removed the "|" during the review process and so it did not come up. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:03, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Queue 2

Leonardo da Vinci (Isaacson book)

@Crisco 1492, Panamitsu, and Tenpop421: This hook doesn't make sense. It feels like it's missing the second half of the sentence "... but ...." RoySmith (talk) 23:05, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

I like the fact that we were looking at this at the exact same time yet have generated completely different issues. I liked the hook a lot; I interpreted it to mean "that di Caprio was hired to play da Vinci" and felt that leaving the "why" off added interest (and adding it would have needed an end-of-sentence citation anyway).--Launchballer 00:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

• I think "was" implies that that's not going to happen pretty clearly. It does rather beg a dependent clause, but I don't think it needs one.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:06, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

  The interesting part is that they both are named "Leonardo".

  Because Paramount's making of the movie did not end well and Warner Bros bought the rights to it in 2023, I wasn't sure if DiCaprio will still star in it, so I used "was" just in case. ―Panamitsu (talk) 01:34, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

• I think you'd also need to change it from "the film adaptation" to "a film adaptation", since no film has been made to this point. Black Kite (talk) 16:09, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Ewa Ligocka

@Crisco 1492, Innisfree987, and David Eppstein: I think this needs to be qualified with "Was said to have" or something like that instead of stating the fact in wiki voice. RoySmith (talk) 23:13, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

• This one was discussed for a goose's age at the nomination. There was consensus there to use the original wording.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:16, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Also, pinging Tryptofish, who was also involved in the discussion.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:18, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

    OK, I don't feel so strongly about this to go against the prior consensus. RoySmith (talk) 23:27, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

    Thanks for the ping. I do want to verify that we had an editor who is fluent in Polish read the source material in the original language, and he confirmed that the source is saying that this did happen, as opposed to having been said or rumored to have happened. --Tryptofish (talk) 16:04, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Mały Brzostek

@Filipny, Wasianpower, and Crisco 1492: Hook needs an end-of-sentence citation. (I actually saw this when I was looking for stuff to plug prep 1 with, so should have posted here then. Also, are we really alright with two Polish hooks in the same set?)--Launchballer 23:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Three Polish hooks! This should probably be delayed per WP:DYKVAR.--Launchballer 23:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Source was provided with the hook, but it’s in Polish so as a non-speaker I don’t feel comfortable adding an inline citation for it. Original nominator doesn’t seem super active lately (2 edits in the last month) but hopefully they see this and can fix it; if not maybe another Polish speaker could take a look. 🌸⁠wasianpower⁠🌸 (talk • contribs) 01:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

@Launchballer: what exactly am I supposed to do? Should I just add a citation at the end of this sentence: In the 15th-16th centuries, Mały Brzostek no longer appears in documents, while the term "Suburbium" or "Przedmieście" is introduced? Filipny (talk) 14:25, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

I was thinking "absorbed", but either works.--Launchballer 14:32, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

@Launchballer: done, I believe. Filipny (talk) 21:08, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

@Filipny: The good news is that this is all done and is otherwise ready for queue. The bad news is that, per #Is this polish week at DYK?, there are a lot of Polish hooks on deck and yours has been delayed per WP:DYKVAR.--Launchballer 21:12, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

@Launchballer: alright, cool. Thanks! Filipny (talk) 21:20, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Fishing cat

@Wolverine X-eye and Kevmin: There's a sentence in the article that also appears in http://www.catsg.org/index.php?id=121. Who copied who?--Launchballer 23:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

• The bobcat one? It was added to the article on 3 November 2012 by BhagyaMani. The earliest version of CATSG dates to 2014. That being said, the phrase is used verbatim in the source, so there are problems.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:34, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

No matter, I have reworded the paragraph to address the copyvio concerns.--Kevmin § 02:21, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Prep 3

St Mary's Church, Chislehurst

@Cardofk, Dumelow, and Crisco 1492: I was going to suggest swapping this with Mały Brzostek above per WP:DYKVAR as that set had three Polish hooks and this one has three English hooks, however the hook needs an end-of-sentence citation.--Launchballer 01:15, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

• Done.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:20, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

My concern has been resolved. This can be swapped.--Launchballer 01:23, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Canticle V: The Death of Saint Narcissus

I promoted this one, so I'll need another set of eyes. I will assess the remaining six hooks when the last slot is filled.--Launchballer 01:15, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

• You flagged it, but I promoted it. So I think in the spirit of the rules that rules us both out.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:21, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Apologies, I should have said 'Approved'.--Launchballer 01:23, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

@Crisco 1492: This is now Queue 3. Two Gerda/classical music hooks in the set, so one needs bunping to a later set. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• If they were both compositions, I'd agree. But one's a biography, one's a composition. One's British, one's Spanish. One's Britten, the other mentions Jazz. Aside from being music-related, I'm not sure there's sufficient overlap to justify switching them.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 17:20, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  @Crisco 1492 We usually avoid having multiple hooks by the same nominator in a set whenever possible. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 18:20, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  • I understand the spirit, but given that it's what used to be called the "unwritten rules" rather than part of WP:DYKVAR... I don't think it's the end of the world if it happens. If we are to have it as a firm rule, we also need to split Feelie and Xu Xinfu in Queue 7.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:29, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  We do? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  If we have such a rule, we should drop it. As long as the readers get enough variety, it does not matter if we run a set with nine Dumelow hooks. —Kusma (talk) 20:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  I had two hooks in the same set earlier this year. It was a novelty, and DYKUpdateBot handled it fine. This doesn't need to be another item for prep builders to juggle. CMD (talk) 02:38, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Sack of Delhi (1757)

@Noorullah21, ThaesOfereode, and Crisco 1492: Hook needs an end-of-sentence citation.--Launchballer 22:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

• Duplicated. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:10, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

My concern has been resolved.--Launchballer 00:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Shuah Khan

@AbdulRahim2002, TParis, Paul2520, and Mary Mark Ockerbloom: There's significant WP:CLOP with Linux.com.--Launchballer 22:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Launchballer would you review again? I've updated the wording that was a 5.7% match via Earwig's; it is now down to 4.8% for that source.

The only other flagged text I see is "chair of the ELISA Project Technical Steering Committee", which I believe is not copyvio as it is a title.

Let me know if you have any other concerns! = paul2520 💬 23:19, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

You should know that Earwig is not the be-all and end-all, but you have resolved my concern.--Launchballer 00:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Last Call BBS

@CanonNi, Bogger, and JuniperChill: Hook says "chip-manufacturing", article says "circuit creation". Which is it, and what makes the hook compliant with WP:DYKFICTION given that it comprises nothing other than gameplay?--Launchballer 22:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Hey, from the youtube clip (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKuGDP-Dfi0) embedded in the av club link, it's "circuit creation". As to whether or not it's WP:DYKFICTION compliant, I think (like with Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Mario_Party_DS) the hooks conveys what the creators have put into the game, not what exists in the fictionalised world. They are features, not plot points. - Bogger (talk) 16:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Pablo Barragán

I promoted this one, so need more eyes.--Launchballer 22:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Interstate 59 in Alabama

@NoobThreePointOh and Soman: Not technically a DYK issue, but I'd feel a lot happier if some of these paragraphs were broken up, I struggled to read them.--Launchballer 22:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Stuff Matters

@DrOrinScrivello, Di (they-them), and JuniperChill: I think this violates WP:DYKMAJOR given that it's really about aerogels. That it happens to have been said in Stuff Matters seems vicarious.--Launchballer 22:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

While I see where you're coming from, the book does devote a significant number of pages to discussing aerogels, and it seems to me to be difficult to devise a hook for a non-fiction book that doesn't at least touch on the subject matter itself. For example, my most recent hook read, "... that the author of The Power of Babel claims that speakers of Swedish, Norwegian, and Danish are all speaking the same language?" That hook isn't inherently about the book either, but relays an interesting bit of info from the book and conveys one of its major themes, just as I think the Stuff Matters hook does (the theme in this case being the author's awe at the achievements of materials science).

With that said, I'm loath to spend undue volunteer time fighting tooth and nail over my nom, and I don't see another hook in the article that doesn't risk violating the same read of DYKMAJOR, so if the consensus is that this hook doesn't work then I'm fine with the nom being pulled. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 23:30, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

I don’t see anything wrong with the hook about aerogels. It’s not tangential to the subject, it’s directly related. Viriditas (talk) 23:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

I withdraw my objection.--Launchballer 00:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

WP:DYKUBM

Time to activate the unreviewed backlog mode? WP:DYKN is consistently hitting the WP:PEIS limit. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:31, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Maybe. The backlog's high due to the recent GA drive. There are some very easy closures/approvals near the top of the pile. Another day I think.--Launchballer 15:21, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

BlueMoonset's list shows ~180 unapproved noms for the past week. If we can get that under 100, I'd think that's a good idea. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 02:19, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Is this polish week at DYK?

As noted above, we transiently had 3 polish hooks in Queue 2, until one got swapped out (to Prep 3). I see we've got a bunch more on deck:

• Czarodziejski okręt in Prep 5
• Kazimierz Sakowicz in Prep 7
• Krzyż i półksiężyc in Prep 2

I'm curious what causes this sudden interest in polish topics. And wondering if we want to start spreading some of them out a bit more. RoySmith (talk) 14:49, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

I suggest pulling the ones in preps 3 and 7.--Launchballer 15:21, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

All three were by Piotrus, who evidently is able to access Polish-language sources which are, in this case, about Polish topics. Sometimes an article expander/creator gets on a roll about a certain topic area. I remember when we had a spate of hooks about Amrita Sher-Gil's paintings, and before that a big run of hooks about Taylor Swift music. Such waves come and go. Perhaps a lot of Polish hooks have ended up in sets together because of effort to avoid overloading sets with U. S.-centric hooks accidentally resulting in multiple pulls from the same non-U. S. topic. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 18:18, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

I believe Piotrus mentioned that a bunch of their articles from the Polish Wikipedia were translated and added to the English Wikipedia by someone else, and they had to scramble to get them nominated in time, hence the influx. They've since been approved, also fairly closely together, and promoters are concentrating on individual sets, not what's in the dates around them. I've moved the hook from Prep 3 to Prep 2 temporarily, since it's the last available prep, and it can be moved further down the line once additional preps become available. Prep 3 is now full, so it can be promoted to queue. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:41, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Theoretically yes, however there are now five American hooks in there and four British hooks.--Launchballer 18:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

• I've rebalanced Prep 3 with a Spanish and an Indian hook, replacing one and one. Should be okay for someone else to review and promote (my fingerprints are all over, so I'm too involved). — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:28, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Still three English, so I've raided your Chinese media slot. I'm also involved with Barragán, but I'll do the other seven now.--Launchballer 21:24, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

• Alright. Don't remember how we handled sound last time we did it - that being said, I don't remember the last time we did it either. It may need a forced resizing to not crash the mainpage.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:21, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

I did notice that the file says 'public domain in the US but not China'. How does this affect the main page?--Launchballer 22:23, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

• Hi Launchballer, it doesn't affect the mainpage. Wikipedia only requires items to be free in the United States, where the servers are based (Wikipedia:Non-US copyrights, paragraph 2). Previously, the FP File:Great Mosque of Central Java, aerial view.jpg was on the MP with no issues. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:43, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

• Given that they're spread out across a week, I don't think most are going to notice. I know that I alone had eight China DYKs in eleven days, and we didn't have "Is all this China really necessary?"  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:16, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Minor correction: eight in seven days, nine in eleven (we had Xifeng concentration camp and Fengshan (general) on the same day).  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:20, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

    I just want to briefly note that both Polish and Chinese culture are hugely influential and wide ranging so I would expect there to be a lot of hooks on these topics over time. You can't walk ten feet in the US without immediately coming across either Polish or Chinese culture in some way or another. Viriditas (talk) 22:07, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Older nominations needing DYK reviewers

The previous list was archived yesterday, so I've created a new list of 31 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through October 23. We have a total of 320 nominations, of which 142 have been approved, a gap of 178 nominations that has increased by 16 over the past 7 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

More than one month old

• September 24: Template:Did you know nominations/Expandable card game
• October 8: Template:Did you know nominations/Diane Leather
• October 8: Template:Did you know nominations/Celie Ellis Turner (hook review)
• October 9: Template:Did you know nominations/Manga and anime fandom in Poland
• October 10: Template:Did you know nominations/Santa Maria Maggiore, Venice
• October 11: Template:Did you know nominations/Aaj Ki Raat (2024 song)
• October 13: Template:Did you know nominations/Gutidara
• October 13: Template:Did you know nominations/Chen Qiyou
• October 13: Template:Did you know nominations/Thokchom Chandrasekhar Singh
• October 13: Template:Did you know nominations/1957 Manipur Territorial Council election
• October 13: Template:Did you know nominations/Anastasia Somoza
• October 13: Template:Did you know nominations/Nazi crimes against children
• October 15: Template:Did you know nominations/Bliss (photograph)
• October 15: Template:Did you know nominations/Yen and Ai-Lee
• October 15: Template:Did you know nominations/Ratnākara
• October 15: Template:Did you know nominations/2018 Batman by-election
• October 16: Template:Did you know nominations/Lyncoya Jackson
• October 16: Template:Did you know nominations/Liliget Feast House
• October 17: Template:Did you know nominations/Port Mercer, New Jersey
• October 18: Template:Did you know nominations/Griffin–Spalding County Airport
• October 18: Template:Did you know nominations/Rada Dyson-Hudson
• October 18: Template:Did you know nominations/Lizzie Esau
• October 19: Template:Did you know nominations/Izvestiya Soveta rabochikh i soldatskikh deputatov goroda Askhabada
• October 20: Template:Did you know nominations/Mwene Muji

Other nominations

• October 22: Template:Did you know nominations/Revant Himatsingka
• October 22: Template:Did you know nominations/Bern Shanks
• October 22: Template:Did you know nominations/Aaron Kennedy
• October 22: Template:Did you know nominations/Henry Parnell, 5th Baron Congleton
• October 23: Template:Did you know nominations/Jugtown Historic District
• October 23: Template:Did you know nominations/Abortion in Gabon
• October 23: Template:Did you know nominations/Tiny Glade
• October 23: Template:Did you know nominations/Foreign policy of the Masoud Pezeshkian administration

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 18:14, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

All queues are empty

@DYK admins: All queues are empty and there are two hooks I promoted'm involved with in #Prep 3, so I can't queue it.--Launchballer 00:18, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• I built Prep 3 (well, aside from one that's my hook and a couple that have been shuffled) so my hands are tied too.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:19, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

I should be able to get to one later tonight. —Ganesha811 (talk) 00:28, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

I think I can do one later today (it's quite late here now). ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 02:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Three queues filled now. I only did one of them, not taking credit for the other two! WaggersTALK 12:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Excellent. If someone finishes Prep 6, I can review it and potentially promote to queue. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:04, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Kazimierz Sakowicz is basically fine, although the hook/article probably ought to say 'of people', and it's a crying shame that "that Kazimierz Sakowicz's diary was reconstructed from the contents of empty lemonade bottles" doesn't have an end-of-sentence citation because that would make a pretty good quirky.--Launchballer 13:28, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• I think "people" is implied by the sentence, but no objections to someone else changing it. Empty lemonade bottles would have been a fantastic hook. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  It does appear to be in the source cited a sentence later, assuming Google can translate Hebrew: [1]. Is "Sinalka" = Sinalco? @Piotrus for awareness. —Kusma (talk) 14:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  @Kusma @Launchballer @Crisco 1492 End of sentence lemonade cite added. It is probably most reliable (since that claim comes from the academic book about his diary, or its preface to be exact). סינלקה could be Sinalco (or "drinking bottles (Sinalka) with spring clips"), but I can't confirm it - would need a Hebrew speaker. Some Polish sources use the term "soda water bottles", I've added it with a relatively reliable refs. It's more of a trivia, really, he might have used more than one type of bottle, or maybe Sinalka=lemonade=soda water could be seen as synonyms, or maybe Sinalka lemonade was sold in soda bottles? I have no opinion on 'of people'. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

If sources differ as to what used to be in them, then we probably shouldn't be putting one or the other on the main page as fact. "Soda bottles" maybe.--Launchballer 02:23, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Prep 6: 2024 Kansas City metropolitan area rent strike (nom)

• ... that tenants described their ongoing rent strike as the first ever to target the United States federal government?

@LunaEclipse, Morgan695, and AirshipJungleman29: First hooks are extraordinary claims, and this in particular is an incredibly sweeping claim made by a non-independent party, reprinted in a local paper. I'd honestly say it's more likely than not to be untrue, unless there's some really obvious procedural reason it has to be true. (Also, what does "target" mean in this case?) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 13:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Queue 7

Feelie

@AirshipJungleman29, Crisco 1492, and Drmies: I'm not convinced the license statement for the image is valid, as this is reproducing text. I think it would be WP:FAIRUSE for an article about the game, but probably not for this broader article. Any anyway, free use can't be on the main page. This should be looked at by somebody who is better at image licensing than I am.

Also, the "sexual roleplay" part of the hook is backed up by a footnote, not in the article text itself. And the "everything from" part isn't in the article at all. RoySmith (talk) 16:30, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• (ec) Hi RoySmith. The text "don't panic" and overall design fails to cross the threshold of originality in the United States, the country of origin, and thus the pin itself does not attract any copyright (this falls far short of the examples provided at Commons). We do have precedent for using cited footnotes for hook facts, as with Beijing Hanhai. As for the hook, ... that uses of feelies (example pictured) have ranged from copy protection to sexual roleplay? would also be feasible, as it does not limit their usage to only the two examples. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:40, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• RoySmith, I'm not concerned with "everything"--it's a turn of phrase, and isn't to be taken literally: I think it's clear they weren't used for elephant hunting or college football 7 on 7 practice. I suppose User:Crisco 1492's tweak mitigates that anyway. The sexual roleplay bit is clarified in the "Peril-sensitive sunglasses" source, which at least twice talks about "adult" or "more adult"--"It also illustrates how some feelies extend the game experience and can be reappropriated though [sic] role-playing and areas of play and fandom that are a bit more adult than the other examples." I have no opinion on the image, but I will gladly stand corrected. Drmies (talk) 16:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

All-Russian Union of Assyrians "Khoyad-Atur"

@AirshipJungleman29, Soman, and Tenpop421: The way the hook is worded doesn't quite match the article text. The hook says "accusations of irregularities" but the article states "marred with irregularities" in wiki voice and "accusations of bribery". Also, while this technically meets WP:DYK200, it's quite verbose and complicated. Is there something we could come up with that's terser? RoySmith (talk) 17:02, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

There could be better ways of wording. We could remove 'accusations' from the hook, it could be something like "... that in the 1920s irregularities around the allocation of shoe polishing stations by the All-Russian Union of Assyrians "Khoyad-Atur" prompted violent tensions in Moscow?" --Soman (talk) 22:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

How about:

... that the Kyoyad-Atur's mishandling of shoe polishing stations led to violent conflicts?

That's pretty short and cover the major points. RoySmith (talk) 23:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

@Soman are you OK with the hook I suggested? RoySmith (talk) 14:28, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Could add "in 1920s Moscow" just to be clear. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:33, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Henri Claireaux

@AirshipJungleman29, Dumelow, and BeanieFan11: The article talks about this in the past tense ("it had devolved") vs the hook's future tense ("would devolve"). Which is correct? RoySmith (talk) 16:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Ah, good spot. My reading of the source has it in the past tense so I think the hook should be changed to match the article - Dumelow (talk) 17:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Done. RoySmith (talk) 18:23, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Eating Out 2: Sloppy Seconds

@AirshipJungleman29, PanagiotisZois, and Launchballer: We've just run He Fucked the Girl Out of Me and The Cock Destroyers, and the lead hook in this set mentions "sexual roleplay". I know about WP:NOTCENSORED, but I can't help but wonder if we're selecting hooks mostly for their shock value. RoySmith (talk) 16:46, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

"Just" is a bit of an exaggeration—one was 13 November, one yesterday, and this one will be in close to a week. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

The set will have two sex-related hooks. Is there no reason why we can't just bump one of them? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Why? Is the topic of "words that have a sexual element" an exception to WP:DYKVAR? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

I fail to see the problem. There have been three sex-related articles with hooks appearing on the Main Page in the same month? Ok, and? Besides, compared to the initial hook about the sex scene involving a portable toilet, the one to be used is simply about the film's director referring to the movie as "gaysploitation". That's not exactly all that sexual, let alone to the point of "shock value". PanagiotisZois (talk) 17:09, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• It's a sex comedy - rather hard to avoid the sex element with that.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 17:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Hold on. I failed to notice that the queue also has the "feelie" article in it. Is the problem that a sex-related hook will appear so soon after the previious one on He Fucked the Girl Out of Me, or the fact that this queue will have two-sex related hooks? Because the latter isn't exactly accurate. The hook on feelies is sex-related. The one on Eating Out 2 isn't. PanagiotisZois (talk) 17:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

I wouldn't have promoted them to the same set personally, but I don't think this violates WP:DYKVAR.--Launchballer 22:34, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Date request

Hello. Sorry if this is the incorrect place to post this. I'd like to know if it is possible for Template:Did you know nominations/Every Night (Hannah Diamond song) to appear on November 24, 2024, for a 10th anniversary hook. Thanks! Skyshiftertalk 21:59, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

The quirky for that day was also a date suggestion, but I can't see any issues with this. If someone else promotes in the next 24 hours I'll be able to swap it.--Launchballer 22:29, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Actually, where's your end-of-sentence citation?--Launchballer 22:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Here. Skyshiftertalk 23:04, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Okay, and for the date?--Launchballer 23:11, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Oh. I've added it now. Skyshiftertalk 23:40, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Fine by me.--Launchballer 23:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Oun Yao-ling

... that the weightlifter Oun Yao-ling was asked to compete in the South African Games, but the opportunity was swiftly rescinded once the organisers found out he was Chinese?

@Cunard, PARAKANYAA, Crisco 1492, and Waggers: I don't think this hook meets WP:DYKHOOKBLP as it focuses on nothing other than an incident of racism. As there is a date request above, I recommend queuing the above date request in its place.--Launchballer 02:39, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

I wouldn't interpret this as a "negative aspect" of the BLP, in that there is no wrongdoing on his part. It's also not an insignificant fact given the ramifications of race on the Olympics in that specific case. But do what you want to do. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

I concur with Prakanyaa that this isn't an "negative aspect" of the living person. If it reflects on anyone it would be the games organisation not the living person. TarnishedPath^talk 02:59, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I wouldn't consider this a negative aspect about him. It was the South African organizers being Lethal Weapon II villains.Crisco 1492 mobile (talk) 03:21, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Point taken. I still think something from that set should be put back to entertain the above date request.--Launchballer 03:26, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• If one of the others had an image, you could swap out Andromeda. I don't think SirMemeLord would mind, and I don't. Crisco 1492 mobile (talk) 03:35, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

You absolutely butchered my former name, but that's fine. I don't mind, it'll have it's glory day eventually. :) E_F⁵ 19:52, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

It's a straight choice between Florentina Holzinger and Apricot dress of Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy. I wrote the hook for Holzinger, so the dress it is. I'd still need another pair of eyes for the song hook.--Launchballer 03:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Actually, I'll swap it after I've slept.--Launchballer 03:52, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

I ended up using Charles J. M. Gwinn as the only one that was both clear at a small size and had been expressly approved at the nom.--Launchballer 12:50, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Sounds good.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:12, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Launchballer we've ended up with two consecutive images of people. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:55, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Swapped the top two hooks in queues 6 and 7.--Launchballer 19:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)