Template:Did you know nominations/James Dillon Armstrong
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 01:20, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
| DYK toolbox |
|---|
James Dillon Armstrong
- ... that James Dillon Armstrong served as a county prosecuting attorney, Virginia state senator, and West Virginia circuit court judge? Source: prosecuting attorney, Virginia state senator (pp. 147–150), and circuit court judge
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Hypericum perforatum
- Comment: Please let me know if you have any questions, and please feel free to suggest additional hooks. -- West Virginian (talk) 20:05, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
Moved to mainspace by West Virginian (talk). Self-nominated at 20:05, 30 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/James Dillon Armstrong; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- I'm not sure how to word the hook, but perhaps a hook about him being a church elder for 40+ years in addition to his political career might make for a good hook? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:38, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that James Dillon Armstrong was a Virginia state senator, delegate to West Virginia's constitutional convention, and circuit court judge while serving over 43 years as a Presbyterian church elder? Source: Virginia state senator (pp. 147–150), Constitutional convention (pp. 297–298), circuit court judge, and Church elder (p. 207) How about this rephrasing in ALT1? -- West Virginian (talk) 14:23, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
Article was new enough when nominated, and it is long enough. Earwig's tool is clear, and spotchecks reveal no verifiability or copyright concerns. Article is neutrally written, but I think the declined appointment to the leadership of the confederate army, and the subsequent pardon by Jackson, is worth mention. I would strongly prefer the alternative hook, but can a link for Presbytarian elder be found? The majority of our readers will have no idea what that is. Hook is cited. Vanamonde (Talk) 05:21, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
- The worry I have is that if elder is linked, the hook might turn into a sea of blue and thus could affect readership for Armstrong's article. Perhaps in such case, state senator and maybe some of the other links (not sure which ones exactly) could be delinked. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:21, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you both for your feedback, suggestions, and guidance. I will workshop a new hook within the next day to address your concerns. — West Virginian (talk) 23:48, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
- The worry I have is that if elder is linked, the hook might turn into a sea of blue and thus could affect readership for Armstrong's article. Perhaps in such case, state senator and maybe some of the other links (not sure which ones exactly) could be delinked. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:21, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
- @West Virginian: Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:50, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
- Based on the feedback provided above, I'm suggesting the following ALT hooks—ALT2 without blue links to avoid a sea of blue and ALT3 with additional facts suggested above.
- ALT2: ... that James Dillon Armstrong was a Virginia state senator, delegate to West Virginia's constitutional convention, and circuit court judge while serving over 43 years as a Presbyterian church elder?
- ALT3: … that James Dillon Armstrong was appointed Stonewall Jackson's chief of staff, but he declined because his services were needed in the Virginia Senate? Source: p. 206
— West Virginian (talk) 10:35, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
- I'm okay with either of the proposed new hooks, but my point about covering the confederate links in the lead remains. I'm not accusing you of anything, West Virginian, but to a reader like me who isn't an expert but has a passing knowledge of US history, seeing the content in the body but not the lead feels very odd and not neutral. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:59, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
- Vanamonde93, thank you for your comment. I've added additional information to the article's lead section. Please let me know if you have any further guidance or recommendations in the meantime. — West Virginian (talk) 21:30, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
- I'm okay with either of the proposed new hooks, but my point about covering the confederate links in the lead remains. I'm not accusing you of anything, West Virginian, but to a reader like me who isn't an expert but has a passing knowledge of US history, seeing the content in the body but not the lead feels very odd and not neutral. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:59, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for addressing my concerns; GTG, with a strong preference on my part for ALT2 though there isn't a clear-cut reason to disallow the others. Vanamonde (Talk) 21:44, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
- Vanamonde93, thank you for your review of this article and these hooks for DYK. I appreciate your time and thoughtful feedback. — West Virginian (talk) 22:02, 2 November 2023 (UTC)