Talk:Yves Héroux

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved. Favonian (talk) 10:14, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

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Yves Heroux → Yves Héroux – The title suppose to rename Yves Héroux to include the acute accent e to match the other article Alain Héroux (his older brother). Steam5 (talk) 04:48, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

• Support per WP:HOCKEY compromise and non-existant guidelines on diacritics in personal names, whether in WP:AT or WP:UE. HandsomeFella (talk) 17:04, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
• Support per our established practice to include diacritics in article titles. - Darwinek (talk) 18:21, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose move – The relevant policy to determine the appropriate article title is found at WP:COMMONNAME. A search for sources confirms that “Yves Heroux” is the most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources. Google News search shows 258 hits for “Yves Heroux”[1], and only 2 hits for “Yves Héroux”.[2] Dolovis (talk) 05:33, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose This person is a hockey player who primarily played in North America. English language sources overwhelmingly use the name without diacritics, so that's what this article title should do as well.
  — V = IR (Talk • Contribs) 21:32, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Dolovis and Ohms law, please do not oppose the move. On the other article, his brother Alain Héroux is named included the acute accent (é) on the title. The brothers are French Canadians. Steam5 (talk) 21:48, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

• WP:UE most certainly does not preclude the use of diacritics, and as I've pointed out to Dolovis before, it is not an inviolable guideline that trumps any other naming convention. There are a good many classes of articles where, for a variety of reasons, we use something other than "the most common name in English-language sources": we title most plant and animal species with their Latin scientific names rather than their common ones to preclude debate over British vs. American English spelling; we title radio and television stations with their legal call signs rather than their on-air brand names to preclude confusion over stations with the same branding and/or stations which change their branding; we frequently use alternate titles, sometimes even uncommon or quirky ones like fixed-wing aircraft instead of "airplane" or "aeroplane", as compromises when different dialects of English have different names or different spellings for the same thing. Accordingly, WP:UE is not the ultimate override clause; it's actually subordinate to other considerations, such as project-specific naming conventions that have consensus and legitimate reasoning behind them. Dolovis and Ohms, if you disagree with WP:HOCKEY's existing consensus, you certainly have the right to propose a new naming convention for discussion at the project level — but as long as that convention still exists, it takes precedence over your unsupported interpretations of WP:UE, not vice versa. Support move. Bearcat (talk) 22:21, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.