Talk:Willis Gibson

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Lightburst talk 18:45, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that despite an active competitive scene, a 13-year-old became the first person to beat the game Tetris? Source
  • ALT1: ... that the game Tetris was beaten by a 13-year-old with only two years of experience? Source
  • ALT2: ... that it took 34 years for the first person to beat the game Tetris? Source
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Joshua Sacco

Created by Johnson524 (talk). Self-nominated at 07:04, 7 January 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Willis Gibson; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Well done! I've found no issues whatsoever. Earwig's got a 15% from quotes which aren't a problem, spot-checks show nothing either. Sourced article and hook, all sound equally interesting to me so no preference here. NotAGenious (talk) 15:45, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Consider linking to Tetris (NES video game) instead of Tetris! There's a lot more relevant information there. 3df (talk) 19:38, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

@NotAGenious: Thank you for the kind review! Also, @3df:  Done Johnson524 01:09, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Inclusion of Jayne Secker comment

I was wondering what other editors think about including the harsh remarks made by news anchor Jayne Secker about Gibson's achievement on the page. In a recent edit, @HurricaneAmputee: added them to the page, and while I was aware of them, I deliberately avoided mentioning them as they seemed like too much of a WP:NOTNEWS violation. I think the information is notable on Secker's page under the controversies section, but here it doesn't really contribute anything noteworthy imo. Cheers! Johnson524 17:47, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

not the first person to max out tetris score

if willis is the first person, who are these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umt4ZESWSeQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q78hv4nx6QA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keeSEJG4XzU&pp=ygUMdGV0cmlzIDk5OTk5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6mvDOKOIqY disregard third link if going for only original unaltered nes version. see date of video. none of them are tool assisted from what i know. what we have here is a big case of mainstream media outright lying and/or jumping in bandwagon to get views and monetization without searching tetris max score or tetris 9999999 in google and youtube to check if anyone else beat it before. do correct me if wrong. update:https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/92231-first-perfect-score-on-tetris-nes-version Mussharraf Hossen Shoikot (talk) 14:25, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

@Mussharraf Hossen Shoikot: I see your confusion, but this is not what the article is claiming at all. The achievement Gibson earned was being the first person to reach the game's "killscreen," a point late in the game when the Tetris code glitches, resulting in a game crash not allowing the player to continue before restarting, thus, "beating" the game. Nowhere on the page does it say that he was the first person to reach the maximum built-in Tetris score at 9999999. That had been done years before, and isn't 'beating the game' since you can still continue playing and gaining points after reaching that score, it just doesn't register on the screen. I hope this response was helpful, and please don't make big changes on the mainpage before consulting the talk page first. Cheers! Johnson524 15:53, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2024

Changes to his birthdate, place of birth, and moving to Stillwater need to be made: Willis was born on January 27, 2010, to Adam Gibson and Karin Cox. He was raised in Garnett, KS until the age of 6. In 2016, 4 years after the divorce of his parents, he moved to Thornton, CO with his mother, step-dad, and siblings. In 2019, he moved to Stillwater, OK. The death date of his father and information about his mother (me) are correct.

Also,

The sentence about him not wanting a job in esports is partially out of context: He doesn't remember saying he didn't want a job in esports, just that at age 13, he isn't sure what he wants to do as an adult career yet.

I'm not sure how to cite this, since Willis is my son and asked if we could make changes. I'm trying to figure this out as best as I can. We can always make a video for this information that can't be found in current media and can site that video, but that seems silly to need to do. Thank you so much! IDivideBy0 (talk) 03:52, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello @IDivideBy0, and thank you for taking an interest in the page! I will see what I can do about these changes, but let me double check the procedure first to see what can and cannot be used before I give a full response. Cheers! Johnson524 04:52, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Karin, thanks for reaching out! If you or your son gives simple biographical information (like uncontroversial/unexceptional date/place of birth) in, say, a social media post or interview, we should be able to cite it for that purpose, as long as anyone looking at the source could clearly tell that it's really coming from you guys. Maybe this would also be okay for more biographical background than that, but I'm in the same boat as Johnson with not being super sure about the specifics. I also went ahead and revised that sentence you mentioned! 3df (talk) 05:03, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

@IDivideBy0: So as long as you and Willis are OK with it, all of this information can be used within the article, but it needs to be restated on either one of your social media accounts first. 3df kind of summed this up already, but this is simply to verify it's you; and while I don't doubt this, Wikipedia always aims to be verifiable. If a YouTube short or social media post seems excessive to you, if you could just say that the account "IDivideBy0" is you on some sort of bio, that should work. Wikipedia has learned to be pretty flexable with this after having simular requests made in the past but just having this information on a talk page isn't enough, as theoretically, anybody could be running the "IDivideBy0" account.

I hope you understand, and, as the original author of this page and the one for Justin Yu, I want to sincerely thank you and your son for helping bring Tetris to the attention of mainstream media again. His achievement was incredible, and both of these pages would not have been possible to write without the news generated from it. Wishing you the best from North Carolina 🙂 Johnson524 06:35, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Professional?

How can a 13 year old who presumably relies on his parents still be a professional? The two main and common definitions of professional are: one who earns their living from an activity (typically something not considered a job), and someone who belongs to a profession (which is defined a job).

None of the sources seem to mention the term professional (although I haven't look through all 30) nor is the claim actually cited to anything (it's only included in the lead) looking at Justin Yu I noticed the same issue. I don't believe the label of professional should be applied without other sources using it. Traumnovelle (talk) 05:17, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I went ahead and removed this terminology. As far as I know, Tetris is an amateur sport and players aren't paid except with prize money. 3df (talk) 06:07, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

@Traumnovelle: Thanks for the fix! I previously used the terminology "gaming name", but some other editor when the article was still new replaced it with "professional" and I just rolled with it. Cheers! Johnson524 06:32, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Willis Gibson/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: NegativeMP1 (talk · contribs) 17:45, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Soon. λ NegativeMP1 17:45, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Baseline

None of the quickfail criteria applies to this article. For the subject matter, this seems to be very close to a GA in terms of length and broadness. No edit warring or cleanup banners that need immediate attention. No copyright violations appear to be present as well.

Prose

• Citations are not needed in the lead per WP:CITELEAD. This does bring up another issue however, that being that the "He is regarded as one of the best Tetris players in the United States" line is not included in the actual body. Either add it somewhere in the article or remove it entirely.

 Done Johnson524 05:52, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

• "Gibson at 11 years old began to play the 1989 puzzle video game Tetris in 2021, after watching content relating to it on YouTube" → "Gibson began to play the 1989 puzzle video game Tetris in 2021, when he was 11 years old." Reads slightly better.

 Done Johnson524 05:52, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

• The last line of the Background section can be put in the previous paragraph.

 Done Johnson524 05:52, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

• Is the quote box absolutely necessary?

I personally like it since that phrase in particular was used by the majority of media outlets to describe his reaction to the achievement, in my eyes making it notable, but I can remove it if you want. Johnson524 05:52, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Sources

• Spotchecked references 2, 17, and 20. All verify the content they are cited to.

Images

• Please consider adding alt text to all of the images.

 Done Johnson524 05:52, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Final comments

Overall a pretty good article, though there's some things that need to be addressed. I'll place this on hold to give you time. I might also take a second look when I'm done. λ NegativeMP1 18:39, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I'll get to these corrections tonight 🙂 Johnson524 21:49, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@NegativeMP1: Ok, we're all done! What do you think? Johnson524 05:52, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Checking the references

Just updated the German article with the information and sources from this wiki. So that the German article is up to date. I wanted to check the references – of the Competetive record – so that I don't just blindly "copy" them. Can someone, maybe even the person who added the sources, tell me how to interpret the CTM page correctly? I don't understand the results or how to know which place was taken. Thanks for your help. FreakyN (talk) 12:29, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

@Johnson524 FreakyN (talk) 12:34, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

@FreakyN: Thanks for reaching out and for your work on the German article! To answer your question, all CTM tournaments are done bracket-style: meaning there is a first place, a second place, a shared third/fourth place (semi-finals), a shared fifth/sixth/seventh/eighth place (quarter finals), and so on. Because a proper placing can't be done for any results that are not first or second place, I just use the phrase "contender" for all other results. To tell who came in first place, the winner in the bracket is highlighted in gold, and second place is whoever lost against the winner in the last bracket, and is often highlighted in silver. I hope I answered your question, and if you have anymore or need further clarification feel free to contact me here or on my talk page any time. Wishing you well from North Carolina 🙂 Johnson524 00:41, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi Johnson524

Thank you for your detailed answer regarding the ‘Finishing Place’ column. To be honest, I don't understand the ‘Score’ column either, when I compare the entries with the sources, the values don't make sense to me. How are the scores interpreted/read from the CTM page? Wishing you well from Switzerland :) FreakyN (talk) 05:30, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I looked at the sources again and now I understand how the score is made.

So that settles it. Thank you very much for your help and answer. FreakyN (talk) 05:35, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

@FreakyN: Glad I could help! Thank you again for your work 🙂 Johnson524 05:37, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

move page to Blue Scuti

I copied this from Fractal's talk page, because it follows the same logic:

When people in the Tetris community talk about, or to Fractal, nobody refers to him as Justin, or, only rarely when introducing him in a YouTube video.. In this talk page I use the name "Fractal", because it would honestly be impolite to do so otherwise. All his social accounts go by "Fractal". To refer to him as Justin Yu, like on a Wikipedia page is just poor manners. Not only that, it doesn't follow Wikipedia's policy of using common names. We don't default to the government name of living people, we use the name they actually go by in the field they're known for. This is true for pen names (J.K Rowling), stage names (Marylin Monroe), ring names (Hulk Hogan), and yes, gamertags, like with Faker and Turbopolsa. Using their government names violates Wikipedia policy, prior precedent and its just kinda weird. Stolenshortsword (talk) 09:35, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

If you like the article title to be changed, it's up to you show that's the common name. You'll need to show that's how reliable sources call him. An online Tetris community or some YouTube video with 75k views isn't reason to change it. Sidenote, you don't have to unnecessarily make incorrect piped links. [[J. K. Rowling|J.K Rowling]] and [[Marilyn Monroe|Marylin Monroe]? Since you wrote the names already, you know those aren't their names. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 11:20, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Stolenshortsword, I hope you're well 🙂 I understand your reasoning, but I am still very opposed to changing the names of these articles. As a fan of competitive Tetris, and original author of the pages for Blue Scuti, Fractal, Dog, PixelAndy, and Alex, I had no intention to be 'impolite', 'poor mannered', or 'weird' by using their names instead of their gaming names. While these people became popular for playing Tetris, its not the only thing they do. Staying on the Fractal example you brought up, outside of Tetris, he is a computer engineering major at MIT and part of the video game orchestra there as well. Tetris is just one part of his life, and while no doubt significant, it doesn't define it. Furthermore, outside of actual Tetris competitions which is what his gaming name was made to be used for, he does seem to prefer being referred to by his name in every interview he's done 1, 2, 3, with only two sources in the article (both non-interview) referring to him by his gaming name 4 and 5 (this is excluding sources where he is referred to as both as in 6, 7, 8, which are all primarily passing mentions). This doesn't provide evidence for common name. I am willing to hear you out on anymore feedback, but this is why I personally chose their names rather than their gamer names when originally starting these articles. Cheers! Johnson524 17:27, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Referring to his name, Yu said on the CTWC Discord in July: “Yea as soon as the wikipedia pages started doxxing me I didn't really have a reason to hide it”; “Just prefer to be fractal online and justin irl”. From what I can see, the earliest RSes giving his name were school newspapers, whose audience would have known him better in person. In the Tetris community, he didn’t allow people to use his real name until this year. 3df (talk) 16:35, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

@3df Oh I didn't know this. Man, that sucks. I hope fractal knows it wasn't my or Wikipedia's intention to doxx him, all three school newspaper which use his full name I found online with very minimal searching, I had no reason to believe this wasn't common knowledge by this point. Oof. Johnson524 17:57, 5 November 2024 (UTC)