Talk:Topaz War Relocation Center

FA review

@Doncram, Gmatsuda, Myasuda, Critic-at-Arms, Wjwalrus, Rachel Helps (BYU), Tedder, RightCowLeftCoast, Epicgenius, Buidhe, Blameless, Nikkimaria, and SandyGeorgia: Would anyone be interested in working to get this to Featured Article status? Pinging those listed above as having worked on this article at some point (even if they haven't edited in a while) as well as some others who may be good contributors toward improving it. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:14, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping! I no longer have time to work articles towards FA status in terms of the best way I can use my time to benefit articles, editors, or the encyclopedia. I do, though, appreciate your work, so if there is any way I can help you as you get closer to FAC, please do ping me. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:33, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Even if it's just feedback on what you think needs to be done, it will be appreciated. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:54, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

If you list it at WP:PR, and then add it to Template:FAC peer review sidebar, you may get a wider audience, and ... that will be a page I can watchlist to jog my memory to get it done ... other editors interested in helping bring articles to FA status do watchlist that sidebar. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:59, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

PS, also, see the instructions at WP:FAC. Per this, you would need to ping in User:Rachel Helps (BYU) prior to FAC (unless your edits make you the main contributor). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:01, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

She's in the list of editors I pinged, above. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 19:38, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

I've never been successful in getting a page to FA, but I would be interested in figuring out how to do so! I have some other projects I'm working on, but I could dedicate a few hours a week. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 18:48, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

I see on quick glance:

• attention to wikilinking wil be needed, but that sort of work is best left 'til last (text may move, which changes which is the first occurrence of a linked article)
• MOS:LQ review needed, sample, and "ability to empathize."
• History.com not a high-quality source, flagged by Headbomb's script.
• There is a very long list of Further reading; FAC reviewers will ask what the criteria is for inclusion, and why those weren't used as sources.
• A list of External links that long will need justification for a Featured article (supposed to already be comprehensive, see WP:EL and WP:ELNO)
• Nihonjoe, didn't we get a lot of grief for the list of notable internees at Manzanar? I could be misremembering ... even if you keep them all, a list is not good, should be prose, see how I did Lewy_body_dementias#Notable_individuals
• Ack, MOS:SANDWICH

SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:45, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

I corrected the quotes to follow MOS:LQ, replaced the history.com source, and removed Further Reading sources that are already mentioned in the text. WP:EL says that findingaid links should be considered for the external links list. I consider them primary sources that I would not use as sources for the page, since Wikipedia prefers secondary sources. What do you think SandyGeorgia? Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 21:51, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

I have never before heard of findingaids (feeling stupid). But by the time the article is featured, it should be comprehensive, so anything worth listing there will theoretically be used as a source, and not needed there, particularly as they related to individual accounts. I would feel better about some of those (related to individuals) being on that person's page, rather than this page (presuming they meet notability, otherwise we wouldn't be adding their link anyway). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:03, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Don't feel stupid--findingaids are a bit of a specialized catalog record that only specialized researchers need to use. I've found several FAs that have links to the subject's personal writings. Van Gough had an external link to his letters at the time it was an FA. P.G. Wodehouse also had links to his public domain works and two different Wodehouse societies, both of which are involved in archival preservation of Wodehouse's works. However, I feel like this argument is a little weak, because I didn't find an FA with findingaid links (but my search was limited to a few pages). Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 19:25, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Would it help to make a separate "archival collections" section? I checked, and WP:EL is not actually part of the "style guidelines" that FA articles need to comply with. It is a content guideline and not mentioned in the FA criteria. However, I understand that there are probably a lot of traditions with FA reviewing that go beyond the actual, written criteria. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 19:25, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Rachel Helps; we can leave that decision to BRMo. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:40, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

I was hoping that the Topaz War Relocation Center would have an entry in SNAC, a website that collects archival collections into nice pages, but I couldn't find one there. I did find a digital archive of works and data relating to Topaz War Relocation Center at the Topaz Museum. I could e-mail the museum and ask if they would be willing to link to the findingaids. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 19:25, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

I took a look at the FA review for Manzanar. One reviewer said that the notable people section seemed like a WP:COATRACK and their solution was to create a separate list page. So I created List of inmates of Topaz War Relocation Center to get around the issue of it being a long list. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 21:51, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

I will get to the internee list and examine the remaining further reading items next week. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 21:51, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Double DYKs

@Rachel Helps (BYU), Yoninah, Narutolovehinata5, and Nihonjoe: can anyone tell me why this article has two DYK dates for one DYK nom (Nov 8 [1] and Nov 20 [2] of 2018 for Template:Did you know nominations/Topaz War Relocation Center). I am trying to build Template:Article history, and have never before encountered such a thing. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:44, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

No idea. Probably just a mistake of some sort. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:53, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

But it looks like it actually did run twice, so a) I have to find out if Template:Article history can even accept two DYK parameters, and if not b) which one to use. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:00, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Maybe one was after it got GA status? That's one of the things it can be listed for. I found only the one you mentioned, which was for GA. That seems to be the only entry, though. And it's definitely weird that it had the same DYK wording both times. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 19:44, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Well, I tested adding two to articlehistory, and it worked, but it would still be nice to know why that happened. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:48, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

I saw. :) It would be interesting to find out what happened though, as you said. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 20:03, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hmm, I'm not sure either! I assume someone made a little mistake the first time it went up and it stayed in a prep queue for some reason. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 18:51, 1 December 2021 (UTC)