Talk:Seventh Conference of the International Woman Suffrage Alliance

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Hello! This is to let editors know that File:Poster by Anna Soós Korànyi for the Seventh Conference of the International Woman Suffrage Alliance.jpg, a featured picture used in this article, has been selected as the English Wikipedia's picture of the day (POTD) for June 15, 2023. A preview of the POTD is displayed below and can be edited at Template:POTD/2023-06-15. For the greater benefit of readers, any potential improvements or maintenance that could benefit the quality of this article should be done before its scheduled appearance on the Main Page. This is scheduled for the 110th anniversary of the start of the conference If you have any concerns, please place a message at Wikipedia talk:Picture of the day. Thank you! Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.1% of all FPs} 16:04, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

The Seventh Conference of the International Woman Suffrage Alliance met in Budapest, Hungary, from 15 to 21 June 1913. As had been the case with all the preceding conferences, the location had been chosen to reflect the status of women's suffrage: a place where the prospects seemed favorable and liable to influence public sentiment by demonstrating that it was now a global movement. When it had been announced at the sixth congress (in Stockholm) that the next one would be held in the capital of Hungary, it was felt that the location seemed very remote, and there were concerns that Hungary did not have representative government. In fact, it proved to be one of the largest and most important conventions. Furthermore the delegates stopped en route for mass meetings and public banquets in Berlin, Dresden, Prague and Vienna, spreading its influence ever further afield. This poster for the conference, designed by Anna Soós Korányi and now in the collection of the French Union for Women's Suffrage, depicts a woman helping Atlas hold up a globe on his shoulders.

Poster credit: Anna Soós Korányi; restored by Adam Cuerden

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Adam Cuerden: I've completed my copy edit of the article. Perhaps you can replace the old version of the article (above) with the new one. I also noticed you commented on the lack of other sources in your edit summaries. Perhaps there were press reports or commentaries in related journals at the time. Rosiestep or SusunW might be interested in looking into it.--Ipigott (talk) 09:30, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

I am so happy to hear that this is scheduled for POTD on the 110th anniversary of the start of the conference! I'll take a closer look at the article, sourcing, etc. next week. Pinging Megalibrarygirl as she has a lot of experience with suffrage articles and she has may have access to additional sources. Pinging LiAnna (Wiki Ed) as WikiEdu may be aware of some professor(s) who has expertise in this area and/or access to additional sources. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:04, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping! Jami (Wiki Ed) will reach out to some of our scholars who've worked on articles related to women's suffrage to see if they're interested. --LiAnna (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:42, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm happy to add it to my list of things to look at, but having just come off of a semi-wikibreak because of real life stuff, I am a wee bit behind. I'll get to it if someone else hasn't done it before I can. SusunW (talk) 14:09, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

SusunW There's absolutely no rush. Any time between now and next summer!--Ipigott (talk) 16:13, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Adam Cuerden if you are interested, all of the members of the executive committee for planning the conference have published photos from 1913 here. I noticed when googling them to see if they were notable/had articles that almost all of them are part of the digital collections of the New York Public Library, like this one. Typically the NYPL photos are better than those in the book, but the book verifies they were published and says they were all taken by Olga Máté, unless marked with "*". SusunW (talk) 20:25, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, SusunW, for all the improvements to the sourcing. I hope TSventon is happy with the progress.--Ipigott (talk) 08:50, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

ipigott I've clipped a bunch of newspaper articles, but haven't worked them in yet. I'll keep at it in spurts, but am hoping others will help as well. SusunW (talk) 16:03, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Okay, I've worked in all the clippings I had created. It'd be nice if someone could garner reports from Delpher or Gallica to get some European input, but I've added bits from Australia, Canada, and the US. Surely we now have enough to confirm notability in independent sources. SusunW (talk) 19:19, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Noticeably improved article in the last few weeks; thanks, SusunW. It's heartening to see that some of the redlinked names have links to other language Wikipedias. Eventually, I suppose, some of those will be blue on EN-WP. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:34, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Rosiestep and yes, that is always the hope. I also hope someone can load all those photographs. Articles are always better with photographs, IMO. SusunW (talk) 02:36, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Ciell's links prompted me to find a detailed article from Sumatra and then I searched Gallica and found a couple of French ones as well. Updating the sources. Clearly there are no longer issues with the only sources being primary. SusunW (talk) 19:19, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @SusunW, great! Noticing you refer to Manfeldt here as founder of the Men's Union for Women's Suffrage, but the Dutch sources actually mention it's English translation as "Men's International Alliance for Women's Suffrage". Ciell (talk) 08:49, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Ciell Thanks! Fixed it. SusunW (talk) 13:58, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Mansfeldt

@Rosiestep and Jane023: or anyone else for that matter, the source definitely says "Major C. V. Mansfeldt" but the previous person it cites is Dr. C. V. Drysdale, thus I suspect it's a typo. In trying to establish who all these people are, I searched for Mansfeldt and find nada for C.V. BUT, there is a W. A. E. Mansfeldt who was an army officer, organizer of the Dutch Men's Union for Women's Suffrage who had attended the Sixth Conference of the International Woman Suffrage Alliance.[1],[2] Seems logical he might also have attended the 7th Conference. Wicher Arnold Emil Mansfeldt was alive until 1924.[3][4]. His wife was N. Mansfeldt-de Witt Huberts, does that mean Nella/Nellie/Nealie because in his death certificate it shows her name was Petronella Hermance Cornelia Catharina de Witt Huberts? I tried to search Delpher and google to see if they attended the 1913 conference, but not speaking Dutch is a hindrance. Anyone want to take a stab at confirming C.V. Mansfeldt is a typo? SusunW (talk) 14:51, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

SusunW, good research. I agree that it seems logical "Major C. V. Mansfeldt" = "W. A. E. Mansfeldt". I'd be comfortable if there were an efn in that regard. Also seems logical that "N. Mansfeldt-de Witt Huberts" = "Petronella Hermance Cornelia Catharina de Witt Huberts". Jane023 might speak Dutch. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:35, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Rosiestep. If I can find an actual source, surely some Dutch newspaper covered the event?, I'd just change it outright. But, yes, can input a note if we cannot find a source that confirms he was there. SusunW (talk) 15:42, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @SusunW,

@Jane023 (friendly nudge) asked me to try and help here - sorry it took me a while to dive into this. I would assume a typo in the name as well: I can find more historical mentionings from the Dutch archives about Mansfeldt, Mansvelt or Mansveld that served in the Marine (through different time periods), but no C.V. Mansfeldt.

Mansveld (in different writings) is not an uncommon name the Netherlands, and even more so in Utrecht and surroundings: there is a family line that goes back to the 16th century online.

Here is the public announcement of the death for W.A.E. Mansfeldt by his brother and Petronella in the newspaper. Nel, Nellie, Nelleke, or similar but in different writings could be derived from this name, yes: this is not uncommon.

Here is a report about his attendance at the 6th conference; this is a report from the 6th conference by his wife. This is an article covering the 7th conference and the speech (referencing Multatuli :)) from Mansfeldt, confirming W.A.E Mansfeldt as the speaker, joined by his wife. This small article speaks about the progress made at the 2nd international meeting of the Men's International Alliance for Women's Suffrage in Budapest, and W.A.E. Mansfeldt as secretary of the alliance. This might to be the source about C.V. Mansfeldt from Utrecht? I think it was unlikely there was another speaker called Mansfeldt from Utrecht in Budapest at the same meeting, who is referred to as 'overste' (=someone high in rank: here it would refer to his rank in the marine). Not impossible, but other sources would have mentioned it if another person (a family member, for instance) would have joined him and his wife for this cause, right?

I hope these articles help! If I can help you with more Dutch translations or context, feel free to ping me. Ciell (talk) 22:17, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Ciell Thank you so much! That solves the problem I believe. Your link confirming W.A.E Mansfeldt as the speaker confirms it to my eyes. SusunW (talk) 22:34, 21 November 2022 (UTC)