Talk:Papua New Guinea national soccer team

Weakest... Real ?

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What's the reason for lowest position of Papua on FIFA World Rankings (situation as of 2009) ? I understand 203th place for Anguilla, Montserrat, American Samoa, i also can understand it for San Marino... But Papua ? It's real not the weakest FIFA team. Is it due to the reason that PNG was disqualified for 2010 World Cup ? --79.49.34.93 (talk) 14:20, 9 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

Mistaken identity

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Lol, Papua's most capped played "Richard Daniel" redirects to a German general...doesn't seem very likely. Oleg Morgan 14:43, 25 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.25.39.242 (talk)

I agree that it is unlikely that he moonlighted as a German general.:-) Nice catch. Now fixed. TerriersFan (talk) 14:49, 25 June 2011 (UTC)Reply

Fair use rationale for File:PNGFA Logo.svg

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Requested move 17 June 2022

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 15:46, 24 June 2022 (UTC)Reply


Papua New Guinea national football teamPapua New Guinea national soccer team – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here. 207.136.8.135 (talk) 11:46, 17 June 2022 (UTC) The sport, like in Australia, is called "soccer" in Papua New Guinea; the Tok Pisin name for the sport is "soka" and the Australian, South African, Canadian and American teams are all called "X national soccer team". Possibly the same for New Zealand, Fiji, the Solomon Islands, Vanuatu, etc which also call it "soccer". 207.136.8.135 (talk) 11:45, 17 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

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Move discussion in progress

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There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Afghanistan national football team which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 15:31, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 23 October 2023

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved, in part. There is a consensus to change "football" to "soccer". There is no consensus to add "men's", but there is also no prejudice to a separate nomination on this basis. (closed by non-admin page mover) Sceptre (talk) 16:30, 16 November 2023 (UTC)Reply


  1. Papua New Guinea national football teamPapua New Guinea men's national soccer team
  2. Papua New Guinea women's national football teamPapua New Guinea women's national soccer team
  3. Football in Papua New GuineaSoccer in Papua New Guinea
  4. Papua New Guinea national football team resultsPapua New Guinea men's national soccer team results
  5. Papua New Guinea national under-23 football teamPapua New Guinea men's national under-23 soccer team
  6. Papua New Guinea national under-20 football teamPapua New Guinea men's national under-20 soccer team
  7. Papua New Guinea national under-17 football teamPapua New Guinea men's national under-17 soccer team
  8. Papua New Guinea women's national under-20 football teamPapua New Guinea women's national under-20 soccer team
  9. Papua New Guinea women's national under-17 football teamPapua New Guinea women's national under-17 soccer team
  10. List of football clubs in Papua New GuineaList of soccer clubs in Papua New Guinea

Due to Australian influence, the term "soccer" is much more common in PNG than "football" due to the presence of other codes of football. Furthermore, PNG's rugby and Australian rules football sides are much more successful than their soccer sides. PNG's national soccer league is even called the Papua New Guinea National Soccer League, and in Tok Pisin soka means "soccer". I propose that all articles about soccer in PNG be moved to say "soccer" not "football" unless they're officially named as such (e.g Papua New Guinea Football Association). I also propose that a similar policy to WP:MOSFIA (i.e terminology for football codes in Australia, one of which is "soccer") be adopted for Papua New Guinea. QLDer in NSW (talk) 20:26, 23 October 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BD2412 T 01:34, 1 November 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 00:56, 9 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Note: Moves #5 through #10 were added at 01:07, 25 October 2023 (UTC) by Matilda Maniac. I have combined those into the RM, since that addition seems acceptable to the nominator and non-controversial. SilverLocust 💬 04:49, 25 October 2023 (UTC)Reply
Added "men's" to youth team titles to match United States men's national under-17 soccer team, etc. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 18:37, 3 November 2023 (UTC)Reply


Relisting comment: Clear consensus to change "football" to "soccer". However, there is no consensus on whether "men's" should also be added; relisting to allow that question to be considered directly. BilledMammal (talk) 00:56, 9 November 2023 (UTC)Reply


  • Support, but without "men's". Rreagan007 (talk) 03:14, 9 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
  • Support - Men's is one of the most important details to have in the title. We have no idea which team you're talking about without it. It breaks Wikipedia rules on precision to leave men's out of the title. People have constantly been asking for men's to be added to all national football teams, because it is a huge pain trying to navigate Wikipedia not knowing what the subject of the article is. It really needs to be done by now. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 04:29, 13 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
  • Support “soccer” per nomination; Neutral on “men's” — HTGS (talk) 23:15, 13 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
  • Support - using men's and women's is the simplest form of disambiguation. In this case the PNG women's team is potentially more notable given its success compared to the men's team. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 15:04, 14 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
  • Comment based on the relist comment: I'm still curious to see a policy-/evidence-based rationale for omitting "men's". After the initial comments/!votes were made, evidence has since been offered that the men's is not clearly the PRIMARYTOPIC for this nation, and some evidence shows that the base COMMONNAME applies to both the men's and women's squads, making the base title ambiguous. (I've already voiced my support for including "men's" when appropriate above, and my !vote remains the same for now unless some additional rationale is provided to sway me.) -2pou (talk) 17:30, 14 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose both - "Soccer" is a pejorative diminutive coined by English former Public School pupils in the 19th C - as pointed out by Richard Sanders in "Beastly Fury". (https://www.penguin.com.au/books/beastly-fury-9781446421307). They used the term to snobbishly denigrate the code of Association football which was the game of the working classes. Soccer is not the proper English language name for the sport of Association football. The rationales used here would see all Australian Rules articles changed to reflect the fact that at least some of the time most aficionados refer to the sport as "footie". Silent Billy (talk) 01:23, 16 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
    "Footy" is an Aussie slang term for Aussie rules and rugby. "Soccer" is not considered a slang term in many countries. For example, in Australia, "soccer" is the actual name of the sport that is called "football" in, for example, the UK. QLDer in NSW (talk) 03:28, 16 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
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Implications from changing article names from football to soccer in the recent move

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Now that consensus on Support has been gained and the articles moved, what happens now about their associated categories and templates, which to me are in exactly the same boat? Looking at the equivalent categories for Australia, which is more formally under a naming policy in Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Football in Australia), those such categories are also 'soccer' not 'football'. Can these be simply moved at this point (as the articles relating to that category have just been changed), or do they need the same process applied from scratch?

  • Category:Papua New Guinea national football team
  • Category:Papua New Guinea men's international footballers
  • Category:Papua New Guinea national football team managers
  • Category:Papua New Guinea national football team matches
  • Category:Papua New Guinea national football team results
  • Category:Papua New Guinea national football team navigational boxes
  • Category:Papua New Guinea women's national football team navigational boxes
  • Template:Papua New Guinea national football team managers
  • Template:Papua New Guinea national football team
  • Template:Football in Papua New Guinea

Matilda Maniac (talk) 12:08, 17 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

I've nominated a couple of categories for deletion, as they only have one article in them. The other categories I've requested to be moved through the Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Speedy process (the process waits 48 hours to check nobody objects, and then they get done). I'll move all the templates later. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:23, 17 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
And I've now moved all the templates too. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:08, 17 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
My next question is on the draft/proposed policy article that was created last year (WP:Naming conventions (Football in Papua New Guinea)), but I don't consider that it needs its own stand-alone policy article. Can it not get merged into the equivalent Australian policy article WP:MOSFIA, or at least the latter modified to recognise that Soccer is preferred to Football for this country on the English version of Wikipedia? I think that might help the reduction of edits and arguments changing one to the other, that I've seen repeatedly over several years on Australian insert-sport-here articles. Matilda Maniac (talk) 00:33, 18 November 2023 (UTC)Reply