Talk:Otogirisō

PlayStation release date

The fact that the game was re-released for PlayStation in March of 1999 is not mentioned in the article. MightyArms (talk) 22:50, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

This has been added to the article. Andrzejbanas (talk) 16:55, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Series

Was asked to further specify how Otogiriso is apart of a series, so I suppose I'll list the game in order like this first:

Sound Novel series

1992	Otogirisō
1993
1994	Kamaitachi no Yoru
1995
1996
1997
1998	Machi
1999
2000
2001
2002	Kamaitachi no Yoru 2: Kangokujima no Warabe Uta
2003
2004
2005
2006	Kamaitachi no Yoru Triple: Mikazukishima Jiken no Shinsou
2007	Imabikisō
2008	428: Shibuya Scramble
2009
2010
2011	Shin Kamaitachi no Yoru: 11 Hitome no Suspect
2012
2013
2014
2015
2016	Kirigiri Sou
2017	Kamaitachi no Yoru: Rinne Saisei

As well as existing sources I could find which group a number of the games together:

https://shmuplations.com/chunsoft30th/

https://nlab-itmedia-co-jp.translate.goog/games/articles/0607/26/news062.html?_x_tr_sl=ja&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

https://www-gamespark-jp.translate.goog/article/2018/01/23/77981.html?_x_tr_sl=ja&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

https://bangumi-tv.translate.goog/index/39442?_x_tr_sl=ja&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

https://dic-pixiv-net.translate.goog/a/チュンソフト?_x_tr_sl=ja&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp#h3_1

Electricmastro (talk) 07:52, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure how most of these seem to be reliable sources as they seem to be a mixture of blogs and wikis. Can you just share ones that aren't? Andrzejbanas (talk) 12:12, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Otogirisō/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Andrzejbanas (talk · contribs) 21:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: ProtoDrake (talk · contribs) 21:02, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

I'll take this one on. If I don't get back with comments by this time next week, ping me. --ProtoDrake (talk) 21:02, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Review

Lead

• The game appears exclusive to Japan, but this isn't mentioned in the lead.

  While I went through the details, no sources directly says its exclusive to Japan. The Nintendo Power article listed that the game was never released in the United States while the Time Extension article announces it received an English translation, but nothing specifically stating its exclusive to Japan. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:38, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

• The story part of the lead could be less wordy. At the moment it feels very cumbersome to read through for a lead.

  Tried to re-phrase this a bit. If this does not help, I'd welcome more specific suggestions.

• "The games director Koichi Nakamura developed the game" -- "The game's director" or simply "Director Koichi Nakamura"

  Went with latter. Changed. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:38, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

• On the whole, the flow of prose here feels rather clunky due to some redundant elements of the prose.

  Tried to update. If there are more specific corrections, that would help me figure out what you'd like me to change. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:38, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Gameplay

• Feels like the first two sentences could be combined.

  Attempted to tackle this. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:38, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

• "Unlike regular novels, " -- This feels unnecessary.

  Done. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:38, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

• "The game keeps track of how many times they've progressed to a narrative ending in the game" -- "they have", not "they've".

  Done. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:38, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Plot

• The protagonist uses gender-neutral pronouns in the lead and is masculine in the plot. Which is correct?

  Masculine is appropriate, I don't think its that complicated, but I can add it to the lead if absolutely needed. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:38, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

• The final paragraph seems to be missing something. I don't get what the point of Nami's family is about.

  So this is what is complicated. The relationship between Nami and family changes depending on the narratives paths. The beginning mostly stays the same with some tone differences, but the actual endings are varied. Listing all of them would be exhaustive and there is no "true" ending per se, so I'm not sure on how to handle this. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:38, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Development

• "He thought of older text adventures but even felt those were a bit complicated.[12]" -- the "a bit" feels redundant. Maybe "similarly" or "also" or something else.

Tried re-phrasing. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:38, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

• The second paragraph has a LOT of quoting in it that could be paraphrased.

Cut it down, left some in that are opinions on stuff (i.e: he implied that making a simple game at first would hypothetically lead to non-gamers trying other games.) Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:38, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Release

• Some of the statements about delays and such can be condensed so it reads less like "X did this, and then X did this."

There aren't any statements about delays. Not sure how to re-phrase the content if its really just information about different releases. Suggestions? Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:38, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

• "Otogirisō was released for the Super Famicom on March 7, 1992.[16][5]" -- Refs the wrong way round.

Switched. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:38, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

• "This version of the game was titled Otogirisō soseihen[c].[22][21]" -- Same as above.

Fixed. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:38, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

That's all I've got for now. And that's definitely not everything, probably need two or three passes. --ProtoDrake (talk) 17:33, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! I have followed-up and corrected some items as requested. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:38, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

@Andrzejbanas: Took another look through, and it feels like a pass to me (feel free to get a second opinion, no-one's perfect). I assume good faith on the sources given translation/access issues on my end. As to the point about Nami, it was a grammar point more than anything which I addressed. Hope you don't mind. --ProtoDrake (talk) 20:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

No thank you for doing it. Its usually easier for the reviewer to fix then to try and explain someone else to tidy it up. I appreciate it. Thanks @ProtoDrake:! Andrzejbanas (talk) 20:45, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Rjjiii talk 21:22, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

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• Article history

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• ... that Otogirisō (1992) reinvigorated interest in adventure games in Japan?

• Source: Koyama, Yuhsuke (2023). History of the Japanese Video Game Industry, p. 58

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Gyutto
• Comment: I can provide quote once I get home and have access to the book.

Improved to Good Article status by Andrzejbanas (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:55, 22 January 2025 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: New enough, long enough. Hook fact is cited and interesting. Earwig pings the longer quotes, which is unfortunate, but they do seem to be properly attributed. QPQ is done. Looks good to go!  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:56, 22 January 2025 (UTC)