Talk:John Marshall Harlan II

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I feel like the results of the senate vote on his appointment to 2nd circuit should be more than he passed. Id include the margins. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Huskermax5 (talk • contribs) 21:10, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Untitled

Needs a better, bigger picture, similar to other modern Justices, preferably an official photo if one can be found.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.87.36.40 (talk) 17:03, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Also, the comment about Justice Harlan being the lone dissenter in Plessy is inaccurate. The lone dissenter was John Marshall Harlan I, not this John Marshall Harlan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.17.150.129 (talk) 16:29, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Possible copyright issues

A lot of this article seems to be a light edit of a text copyrighted by Princeton University.

• http://mondrian.princeton.edu/CampusWWW/Companion/harlan_john.html

(If it were a printed commercial text, one would not hesitate to say it was plagiarized.) Quatloo 19:36, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Article title and Harlan's actual name

This article is titled "John Marshall Harlan II" and the subject's bolded name in the first sentence is also given in that form. Subject to being corrected, I don't believe "II" was actually part of Harlan's name. Disambuguation to avoid confusion with the first Justice Harlan is obviously necessary, but perhaps the (II) should be in parentheses or Harlan II's dates should be given instead of implying that "II" was part of his actual name. I didn't want to make an important change like a page-move without consensus, however. Comments? Newyorkbrad 19:47, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

You are correct Brad, as evidenced by http://www.supremecourtus.gov/about/members.pdf, but what I worry about is confusion. The Supreme Court Historical Society uses the "II". I think the parens would be a good compromise in the article, or a caveat placed within the article itself. I wonder why they didn't make it part of his name...? Hmmm. Anyway, it should at least be noted for accuracy. --DavidShankBone 17:15, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the name should be changed; the current page gives the wholly inaccurate impression that the II is part of the justice's name. In my own experience (I am a lawyer), I've typically heard this Justice Harlan referred to as Harlan the Younger. I'd suggest the page and the heading be therefore changed to "John Marshall Harlan (the Younger)." (The page for the elder Justice Harlan can remain the same (with, obv., an appropriate modification to the disambiguation link.)--Apascover 18:30, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion, but eek, I like that even less. I was thinking of "John Marshall Harlan (II)" or the like. Actually, the current title bothers me less than it did five months ago, but that's probably just familiarity. Newyorkbrad 18:44, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

The problem, as I see it, with (II) is that people actually use "II" as part of their name, but Justice Harlan did not. As I said, IME, "the Younger" is the most common form I've encountered in practice, regardless of its mellifluity. --Apascover 15:18, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be better to use his birth and death dates, i.e. John Marshall Harlan (1899-1971)? --Tærkast (Discuss) 12:43, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

I went with John Marshall Harlan (born 1899). --MZMcBride (talk) 02:09, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

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The article was kept. Ruslik (talk) 06:00, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Unsourced statement

I removed this sentence from the article, because I can not find a source for it.

"Moreover, he was an ally and close friend of Justice Potter Stewart, who joined the Court in 1958."

Readd it if you know what to cite. Ruslik (talk) 10:49, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Pre FAC comments

• What was his uncle's name? If unknown, was it maternal or paternal?
• Should all USSC citations have been moved to the footnote? Check any FA-level law related articles.
• Should all USSC citations be followed by Harlan dissenting or concurring (may be tedious to fix if so)
• Is this punctuation correct: "He later attended two boarding high schools in Canada, Upper Canada College in Toronto, and Appleby College also near Toronto."?
• With Robert H. Jackson, you had linked the first main body occurance. I linked it in the WP:LEAD, then I noticed you did the same with Eisenhower. I don't think this is correct format. Please check.
• You linked the second instance of United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary in the main body.
• I could keep going, but I am not finding anything major. It is close to FA-level along most WP:WIAFA criteria. Give it a shot.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 14:45, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

  Thanks for feedback. Ruslik (talk) 15:04, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Presybterian or Episcopalian

On the summary bio, it says his religion is Episcopal. But, in the text it says Presbyterian. Which is it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.216.173.161 (talk) 23:46, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Presbyterian according to John Marshall Harlan at Oyez.org. That would seem to be pretty authoritative, absent something better. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 13:41, 31 August 2010 (UTC) Stan

Comment about Bork

"Bork was denied confirmation because of his extreme views." While, like the editor who made this comment initially, I find some of Mr. Bork's views to be quite extreme, I question this wording being in an article on Harlan. It seems gratutitous, even given that the point would seem to be that Harlan's thinking in many areas is now considered to be settled, uncontrivertable law, and that Bork's disagreement would then be by definition "extreme". I just see, though, the primary motive here to be POV Bork-bashing and think that it is perfectly encyclopedic to state that Bork's disagreement with some of Harlan's decisions was a factor in his non-confirmation without explicitly stating that Bork is an extremist or extreme, POV-charged words. 75.252.134.58 (talk) 03:49, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

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Political activity of family

The political activity of his family, as mentioned in his early life section, had at keast one gaping hole. His father's multiple runs for mayor of Chicago. That should be incorporated. Any other holes there?SecretName101 (talk) 15:03, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Article should be moved back to "John Marshall Harlan II"

The article itself states that this is how he is usually referred to (which is true in my experience) and this should be reflected in the title per WP:COMMONNAME. The discussion about this 10+ years ago decided that the title was misleading people because he did not use "II" as part of his name, but I don't see how this could mislead anyone because the situation with him and his grandfather is explained in the first sentence of the article.

Posting here because it is probably a somewhat popular article and I don't want to move it without consensus. mossypiglet (talk) quote or something 17:15, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 4 October 2020

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The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 19:39, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

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John Marshall Harlan (1899–1971) → John Marshall Harlan II – The article itself states that this is how he is usually referred to (which is true in my experience) and this should be reflected in the title per WP:COMMONNAME. The discussion about this 10+ years ago decided that the title was misleading people because he did not use "II" as part of his name, but I don't see how this could mislead anyone because the situation with him and his grandfather is explained in the lead paragraph of the article. P.S. I did not realize this template existed until now hence the very similar post before this. mossypiglet (talk) quote or something 17:14, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Much better alternative than using his dates, which we generally try to avoid. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:26, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment. One reference (The First Amendment Encyclopedia) lists him as John Marshall Harlan II, another (The Supreme Court Historical Society) indicates him as John Marshall Harlan II, 1955-1971, still another depicts him as John M. Harlan II and yet another has him as John Harlan II. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 23:12, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

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