Talk:Democratic People's Movement

Hoxhaism

There seems to be some dispute over whether or not the MPD is Hoxhaist. While it is undoubtedly a broad-based movement, it is wrong to assume that its leadership is not at least nominally Hoxhaist, considering that it is, after all, the electoral wing of the Marxist-Leninist Communist Party of Ecuador, which is a part of the Hoxhaist International Conference of Marxist-Leninist Parties and Organizations (Unity & Struggle) and as their newspapers show, can feature Hoxha when they wish: http://up.wiki.x.io/wikipedia/en/9/92/Arton1848.gif

Therefore, describing the PCMLE (and not the MPD) as Hoxhaist should not be controversial, which is what I have intended to do. --Mrdie (talk) 21:27, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Do you have any reference that the ICMLPO is referring to itself as Hoxhaist? -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:37, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

I think that the term 'Hoxhaism' is inherently problematic. The PLA never sought to portray Hoxha in the same manner as CPC began promoting 'Mao Tse-Tung thought'. To my knowledge, 'Hoxhaism' is a label that surged on the www well after Hoxha's passing away. If the En Marcha cover is going to be interpreted, then the photo at the bottom of the page would contradict the 'Hoxhaist' label (Marulanda was certainly not 'Hoxhaist' in any way, historically PLA would have labelled Marulanda as a pro-Soviet revisionist). --Soman (talk) 07:17, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

While it is true that Hoxhaism as a term was never really used by the PLA and parties that can be described as Hoxhaist (it seems that Maoists mostly used it against the supporters of Hoxha), it is still used to refer to the ICMLPO-U&S and other groupings which clearly sided with Enver Hoxha in the Sino-Albanian split, just like many parties on Wikipedia are identified as Stalinist. If we don't use the word Hoxhaist, then we should at least use pro-Albanian or something similar when referring to "Hoxhaist" parties, even though it's less informative and would in all likelihood redirect to Hoxhaism anyway. I do know that "Hoxhaism" predated the WWW in the form of the Maoist usage of "Hoxhaite." --Mrdie (talk) 11:54, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

KKE 1918-55 defines itself as Stalinist, but this is not common. Most of the parties define themselves simply as "communist" or "marxist-leninist" As far as I know, none of the parties of ICMLPO uses the "5-heads". Some of them characterise E. Hoxha as Marxism's classic. Most of them would characterise themselves as pro-Albanian but probably before 1990. On the other hand, just FYI, This formation (Comintern M/L?) describes itself as Hoxhaist. This is a different organisation. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm aware of what you've said and I'm also aware of the difference between the Comintern-ML and ICMLPO-U&S. Unlike Maoists, Trotskyists, etc., Hoxhaists generally don't declare themselves as such for the same reason that Stalinists do not: they generally feel that it's more of an insulting word used to marginalize their connections to Marxism-Leninism, and discussion of Hoxha and such is generally limited to theoretical discussions and journals, and is certainly very rarely (if at all) discussed within mass-based organizations like the MPD. Noting this, I'm open to removing the word "Hoxhaist" from the discription of the PCMLE, since I feel that noting its connection to the ICMLPO-U&S is sufficient. --Mrdie (talk) 15:32, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

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