Talk:Dada

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Origin in New York?

Haven't seen a source for this. Leaving for now pending comment. While I am here, the [Tate] website looks authoritative. Elinruby (talk) 22:32, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

@Elinruby: @Prinsgezinde: In this revert a source has been added, claiming 1915 as the origin date of Dada art in New York. See too references within the article New York Dada. Note, that while not "New York Dada", the Readymades of Marcel Duchamp began in 1913 with Bicycle Wheel, (See MoMA) and continued in 1914 with Bottle Rack, both produced in France, before his stay in New York. Prelude to a Broken Arm (1915) was created in New York. The New York readymades also include Pulled at 4 pins (1915), Comb (1916), Traveller's Folding Item (...pliant,... de voyage) (1916), and of course Fountain (1917). Answering the question of whether these works are Dada or not, is like asking whether Picasso's Les Demoiselles d'Avignon is Cubist. Coldcreation (talk) 08:15, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Also from Tate: Duchamp, Man Ray, Picabia; "Duchamp, Man Ray and Picabia were the leading figures in the New York Dada movement...", Press release 27 November 2007. Coldcreation (talk) 08:31, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Equivalence of radical left and far-left

The movement is described in the main text as being 'radical left'. What is the issue with this linking to the actual Wikipedia page called 'radical left'? In the sources given that I have been able to access there is a statement of the movement being radical left, but I see no explicit equivalence given of this being the same as far-left in the sources. Linked words and phrases should go to the closest relevant page and should not confuse or cause ambiguity. Helper201 (talk) 20:07, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

@Helper201: Dadaists maintained political affinities with the radical far-left, per multiple sources. A main sub-type of far-left politics is called the "radical left": those "who desire fundamental changes to the capitalist system yet remain accepting of liberal democracy". Another main sub-type is the "extreme left", who are more "hostile to liberal democracy and denounce any compromise with capitalism." For these reasons, and again per sources, the link goes to the relevant article: Far-left politics. Coldcreation (talk) 20:37, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

The issue is one can be radical without being at the far end of either side of the political spectrum (there are radical centrists for example, just as there are on the left, right and far ends of the political spectrum). While those on the far ends are often seen as radical that does not mean a radical is by definition at either end of the spectrum. To put it simply, these are not always one and the same and should not be conflated. You could word it instead as radical far-left. However, as per WP:SYNTH you should not assume that as source claiming Dadaists to be radical left means the same as them being far-left. Helper201 (talk) 20:47, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

According to, e.g., J. C. Middleton, "Bolshevism in Art": Dada and Politics (1962), Dadaists supported the extreme left-wing, on the basis of radical Communism. Coldcreation (talk) 21:42, 29 December 2018 (UTC)