Talk:Amman

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Amman

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Result: No consensus to delist. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:41, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

GA from 2015. Main problem is some unsourced material here and there. Though I do feel that if someone puts their time and energy into this article then they could easily fix it. Onegreatjoke (talk) 04:43, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

@Onegreatjoke: Removed chunks of information, some unsourced and unfounded, others coming mainly from primary source. Added a few citations and moved few others. It needs a rewrite and update, but for now I think the GA status can be retained. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:32, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Problems that I have spotted:

• A few sentences needing citations still.
• There were eight registered radio stations broadcasting from Amman by 2007. Most English language stations play pop music targeted towards young audiences. This needs to be updated. I am also left wondering what proportion of radio stations are English language and which proportion are Arabic.
• although the mountainous terrain of the area has prevented the connection of some main roads, which are instead connected by bridges and tunnels. What does that mean? Are the bridges and tunnels not roads?
• There are eight circles, or roundabouts, that span and connect west Amman. What does this mean? I get the feeling they are not talking about actual roundabouts.
• The municipality began construction on a bus rapid transit (BRT) system as a solution in 2015. This needs to be updated. It also contradicts with the following paragraph, which states: Construction work on the BRT system started in 2010.
• The images in the gallery at the bottom should be better integrated with the article as per WP:GALLERY.

Steelkamp (talk) 16:15, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

• Steelkamp, I have fixed most of these. The circles do refer to actual roundabouts, but the sentence has been clarified. WP:GALLERY is not a part of the good article criteria. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:38, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

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Rabbath Amman or Rabbath Ammon?

This source, which seems to be reliable, claims it was initially Rabbath Amman, with Amm denoting ancestry from an -an; and that Ammon was only used in Hebrew, which would explain why it was still called Amman by the Umayyads. Any other sources that support this claim, considering that the overwhelming majority of sources I recall reading claim Rabbath Ammon, and that it meant king's quarter?

“ The Ammonites, known from biblical, epigraphic, and archaeological sources, derive their name from a presumed ancestor and eponym 'Amman. This is an Amorite name, attested since the early second millennium B.C., especially in the Mari archives'. Its base is formed by the noun 'amm, "forefather" in ancient Semitic?, with the affix -an. The form "Ammon, witnessing the change > 0, is Hebrew, while Akkadian and Greek notations, based on the spoken language, show that the Ammonites were calling themselves Bani 'Amman', their land was Bet 'Amman", and their capital was called Rabbat 'Amman', present-day Amman. Despite the antiquity of the name, no literary sources from the Bronze Age, not even the Egyptian topographical lists, mention the region occupied by the Ammonites in the Iron Age. It means that it fell outside the Pharaonic sphere of influence, although archaeological findings reveal a cultural and economic impact of Egypt. ”

On the Skirts of Canaan in the Iron Age: Historical and Topographical by Lipiński, Edward (2006). Makeandtoss (talk) 11:50, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Any idea? @Arminden: @Al Ameer son: @Oncenawhile: @Iskandar323: Makeandtoss (talk) 09:53, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your trust, but no idea. I would check on the author's credentials (Lipinsky?). If he's reliable, I would add his etymology to the other one. Amm- as equivalent to banu, ibn, ben, so AM synonymous to BN but lost with time? New to me. Can anyone think of any other ancient Semitic name starting with Amm-? I can't, but I'm not a scholar either. Arminden (talk) 10:28, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Edward Lipiński (orientalist). So yes, reliable. Doesn't mean he's right, it means he's citable. Arminden (talk) 10:37, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Seems both reliable and citable to me, and his analysis is more detailed than I have seen in any other RS. Bet Amman sounds plausible but he doesn't elaborate on what Rabbat means. My doubts come from the fact that "Bani 'Amman'" sounds very... Arabic. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:59, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Pls. see what I wrote: if reliable, add to current interpretation, for instance with the intro "Another interpretation, presented by Edward Lipiński,...".

As to rabbat as Semitic common noun: I have spent ages to figure that out. A less than reliable source claims that it's an ancient Semitic word for, I believe to remember, major fortified city, maybe capital, smth. along those lines. It's truly ancient, see also Rabbath Moab. It might be the ancestor of Arabic ribat, but I'm not a phylologist and I'm afraid of falling into the trap of popular etymologies. I've spent too much time trying to figure it out, with no result. For developments that came after the emergence of the Islamic Arabic term ribat, see that article, plus rabat (disambiguation) and robat (disambiguation). I'd be happy to see what comes out of this, but I doubt anyone on Wiki will figure it out. Cheers, Arminden (talk) 16:39, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Fair enough but I am still surprised at how understudied this is in the literature. There has to be at least one more reliable source, which I unfortunately have not found yet. Also surprised that there's no source that details at least most of these discussions or interpretations. Makeandtoss (talk) 12:46, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

I knew I had come across the name Lipinski before! See here, p. 292; rbt meaning 10,000 and with an extended meaning, "multitudes". Not of immediate help, but maybe related. Still: ribat as a fort might be closer to what we need. Maybe. Or are ri- and ra- unrelated? Here is where I stop. Arminden (talk) 17:34, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Seil Amman

Requires a dedicated section and holistic mention in the lede. Makeandtoss (talk) 12:40, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Winter blossom

@Uness232 living really close to the border with Jordan, believe me this is a winter blossom in this picture. We don’t have spring here in the Middle East. In April things are already starting to get dry and die. דולב חולב (talk) 02:56, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Bold 114.122.42.236 (talk) 06:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Climate

@Ramzik1999: Pleases stop re-expanding the climate section. Sections in this article serve as summary and they cannot be expected to discuss everything about Amman's climate. Makeandtoss (talk) 17:16, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Suggestions

Good article but you should put more of the universities in prose with some info. The cityscape section tells me very little about actual individual buildings, can you add mention and link more buildings and add some basic facts? Museums is also listy and would read better with some interesting facts about half a dozen of them, when some were opened, what do they house etc. "But the food here isn't just the sum of its calories. In this politically, religiously and ethnically fraught corner of the world, it is a symbol of bloodlines and identity."[136] However, the city's street food scene makes the Ammani cuisine distinctive." Avoid " but" and "however"! :-)♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:19, 17 December 2024 (UTC)