Talk:America First Political Action Conference
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Not white nationalist
editAFPAC is not white nationalist. AFPAC had a black speaker and there are black fans of Nick Fuentes. You all are gonna slander him as a white nationalist just because the media said so?
The Media also days Jeffrey Epstein killed himself so the media just straight up makes stuff up.
The media also compared Bernie's caucus win to the Nazi's. The media clearly has no clue to what's going on. Take off the White Nationalist and Far Right. TheGxat (talk) 04:45, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- Hi TheGxat, I think you misunderstand how Wikipedia works. If you have reliable sources (non-exhaustive list here) which say that it is not white nationalist or see issues with the sources used right now (beyond wild conspiracy theories), list them here and we can discuss the descriptors. I couldn't care less about your personal observations, the only thing that matters are sources. Caius G. (talk) 11:43, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- My source is literally Nick Fuentes himself. He has said and I quote, "I'm not a white nationalist, I'm just a nationalist who happens to be white".
- If Fox News wrote an article and called Bernie Sanders a "Far-Left Athoritarian Communist" would that mean it's true just because an article said that? My point is that the sources are saying things that are NOT factually correct.
- At this point might as well just file a lawsuit for whoever wrote this and perhaps even you for defamation. So you better correct it. TheGxat (talk) 20:30, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- @TheGxat: Wikipedia goes by what reliable sources say about a subject, not what those subjects say about themselves. Per MOS:IDENTITY,
When there is a discrepancy between the term most commonly used by reliable sources for a person or group and the term that person or group uses for themselves, use the term that is most commonly used by recent reliable sources.
I will also note that this is an article about the America First Political Action Conference, not Fuentes, and discussion of Fuentes' political labels should happen at Talk:Nick Fuentes. That said, they've been discussed there at some length (including with the argument that Fuentes has denied being white nationalist, which has found no traction) so please read existing discussion. - Regarding your Bernie Sanders hypothetical, no, because there is no consensus on the reliability of Fox News's coverage of politics and science, and because many reliable sources describe Sanders differently. In this case, many reliable sources describe Fuentes as both a white nationalist and far-right.
- Please also see WP:NLT. GorillaWarfare (talk) 20:39, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- @TheGxat: Wikipedia goes by what reliable sources say about a subject, not what those subjects say about themselves. Per MOS:IDENTITY,
- At this point might as well just file a lawsuit for whoever wrote this and perhaps even you for defamation. So you better correct it. TheGxat (talk) 20:30, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)TheGxat, please familiarise yourself with WP:ABOUTSELF and WP:BLPPRIMARY on why we cannot use Fuentes' statements about himself. Fox News is not a reliable source, see WP:FOXNEWS. Please strike your legal threat, as per WP:NLT. Best, Caius G. (talk) 20:43, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
Fuentes misquoted in 2022 AFPAC section
editOn the Wiki page, in the History / 2022 Fuentes is quoted as saying
"as if that wasn't a good thing."
https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/America_First_Political_Action_Conference#2022
I checked the replay of the conference, and while what he said was substantively similar, his actual words were:
"and they say that's not a good thing."
https://cozy.tv/AFF/replays/2022-02-26
It comes up at 5:07:25
I can't make the edit, but hopefully someone will correct the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ServingtheNumbers (talk • contribs) 05:21, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
White nationalist is inaccurate
editWhite nationalism would indicate that the group was inclusionary to whites to the exclusion of all other races. It is obvious from their webpage of speakers that the group does not exclude others based on race. The group seems to define itself based on its nationalist vs globalist views. Removing or further defining the term white would seem more appropriate — Preceding unsigned comment added by Changetheculture (talk • contribs) 16:19, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Not a White Supremacy Organization
editNot a single, accurate direct quote of anyone, or any document, related to this organization espouses White Supremacy. This organization was added to the DoJ's list of White Nationalist groups only after President Biden took office. If the 'editors' of this page had any intellectual integrity, they would admit the actions of the administration were motivated entirely by politics. America F1rst fundraised for Trump, and does believe in the virtues of America. These are ideals held by many immigrants of color, who voted for Trump, certainly none are white nationalists.
Most of the citations are neither primary sources nor unbiased, rather very left-leaning news outlets. If one were to utilize such questionable materials in an expository essay, their readers would find it laughable. 2604:CA00:13B:9420:0:0:460:B2AF (talk) 04:05, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
No facts supporting ideology
editI'm not going to claim to be an expert on this subject whatsoever. However, I clicked on this article to see why they are being defined as a white supremacist group. I was looking for evidence of why their ideology is supposed to be one that supports racism.
What I found instead, was several references to several conferences where several conservatives were known to attend. This piss poor article says nothing about AFPAC's ideology or mission statement. It is borderline slander, simply because of the tone of the article itself. But I doubt anybody who reads this is surprised by that. 65.129.103.59 (talk) 14:00, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 10 March 2023
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Regarding the 2023 rally and AFPAC IV, there is a factual mistake. It was not postponed after scheduling issues, it was postponed prior, and there is no correlation between these two events. Nick has said he was contemplating canceling the event or replacing it with something different due to his involvement with Ye, which is a big commitment and would preclude him from having the same involvement in AFPAC IV as he had in AFPAC III. He resolved to postpone AFPAC IV, but he has a tradition of AFPAC rivaling CPAC, and because AFPAC IV would be postponed, this rally would serve that place while the details of AFPAC IV are under construction.
He most recently discussed AFPAC and the rally on March 9th, around 11 minutes into Ep 1127 of his show at the following link, and he discusses it for the next several minutes: https://rumble.com/v2cefdq-cia-traitor-elitist-tucker-blasts-hero-trump-in-secret-texts-america-first-.html TaigaZoomer (talk) 22:01, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Actualcpscm (talk) 17:52, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
Can't fix "three years ago" in info box.
editI can't find where the text appears, but it's no longer correct, it's been 4 years now. If the text is autogenerated, then there is an error, as organizations don't generally consider their age like a human celebrates a birthday, because, as the article itself mentions, it takes a while to form up anyway. Change "three years ago" to "four years ago" because its Feb '20 to Feb '24 already. Zaphraud (talk) 23:19, 24 February 2024 (UTC)