Talk:Al-Biruni

Not iranian

i don not why they call biruni iranian, he is a turk, written books in arabic nothing to do with Iran.its shamfull and a big lie Irani2024 (talk) 17:58, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

The name section says his name came from a persian word birun while its totaly a big scandal becasue bituni is the city he was born in him not outskirt. Irani2024 (talk) 19:01, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Because its based on WP:RS, unlike your claims. Though it's clear that you don't care about WP:RS, and that despite being named "Irani"2024, you're clearly not one [1]. Have you edited here before? HistoryofIran (talk) 13:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

There is a lot of damaging revisionism of descriptors of historical 'Persian' figures; this being one of them Onpoint12 (talk) 06:24, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

There is evidence to suggest he was of Turkic origin. Just because he wrote in the Persian language does not make him Persian, just as your writing in the English language doesn't make you English. So please stop it with the Perso-Centrism. It has no place on Wikipedia. Wikimicky1 (talk) 08:34, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 July 2024

There has been an error in the origin of Al Biruni's name. His name originated from the word 'burun', which means nose. Hence his facial feature was the cause of speculation among his contemporaries. </ref> Usgoblin (talk) 05:32, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 05:45, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 1 July 2024 (2)

This section "Al-Biruni's name is derived from the Persian word bērūn or bīrūn ("outskirts"), as he was born in an outlying district of Kath, the capital of the Afrighid kingdom of Khwarazm.' should be changed to 'His name originated from the word 'burun', which means nose, because he had a very big nose. Hence his facial feature was the cause of speculation among his contemporaries.' Usgoblin (talk) 05:49, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

 Note: Edit probably should be made, but I have to go soon. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 07:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

 Done ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 10:32, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

 Undone: This request has been undone. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 11:45, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't think that source looks good enough William M. Connolley (talk) 11:45, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Wait, really? I don't see how this is user-generated or potentially biased. (Probably because I speak none of the languages the site is available in, forcing me to use google translate to verify.) ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 11:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry. I couldn't find a source in English. All the available sources are in Russian. Usgoblin (talk) 17:39, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Sources in foreign languages usually aren't an issue at all. They don't need to be English (although encouraged). ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 23:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

The language isn't the problem, that page's author is anonymous and it cites no source for that claim. Hi! (talk) 23:32, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 11 July 2024

this person ‘s background is not from actual Iran , when it’s written iranian the reader can misunderstand the origin of him. he was an uzbekistani from uzbekistan or precisely Afghanistan . thanks for your attention and efforts to spread correct information. change his background from iranian to uzbekistani/Afghanistani please. میلاد مولایی (talk) 20:29, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

WP:RS contradicts you. Wikipedia is a not a place for revisionism. Please also see [2]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:10, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

I would agree with the original comment that 'Iranian' is confusing for a lead paragraph given that its most obvious meaning correlates to the modern nation state. 'Persian' is the clearest term to use, as attested to in multiple sources. It appears consensus is lacking. Onpoint12 (talk) 06:27, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Consensus is not lacking [3]. And scholars routinely use "Iranian", nothing confusing about it. HistoryofIran (talk) 11:15, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Origin could be Turkic or Iranian

If some pro-Iranians want to push the agenda that he was of Iranian origin, then we should also mention that he was probably of Turkic origin too. After all, there is evidence for both cases. Wikimicky1 (talk) 04:21, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

If you think these so called "pro-Iranian" users that want to push an "agenda" exists, by all means, report them to WP:ANI. If not, then please it keep to yourself (WP:ASPERSIONS/WP:NPA/WP:SOAPBOX). Also, WP:RS and the WP:CONSENSUS that was based on it is heavily against you [4]. HistoryofIran (talk) 14:00, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

I would report a case if necessary. For now it is reasonable to assume you are editing in good faith, just like myself. I do not see a consensus against him possibly being of Turkic origin too. Again, if there are claims that he was of Iranian origin then there are also claims that he was of Turkic origin. If you want to mention him being Iranian then it is only fair that you also include that he was Turkic. Wikimicky1 (talk) 06:29, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

As you were just told, WP:RS and the WP:CONSENSUS that was based on it is heavily against you [5]. We base our info on WP:RS, not our own personal opinion. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:29, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Why would I make any edits based on my own opinions on Wikipedia? You need to meet in the middle and be compromising. As I mentioned above, I don't see a consensus on him being Persian. Kwarazmian Iranian just means he is from that area. Even if that was the case, it can be challenged as I will provide at least two (not one) reliable source for his possible Turkic origins. Wikimicky1 (talk) 08:18, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Clear WP:TENDENTIOUS and WP:IDHT signs. You're getting reported, you've had enough WP:ROPE. HistoryofIran (talk) 12:12, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

An RfC (Talk:Al-Biruni/Archive_4#RfC on the nationality of Al-Biruni) was held around three years ago which came to a clear consensus. If you wish to overturn that result, per WP:CONLEVEL, you will need to start another RfC. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:17, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the heads up ~~ AirshipJungleman29. Does this grant HistoryofIran the removal of information referenced with reliable sources? Wikimicky1 (talk) 07:35, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, as per consensus.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:45, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

"Thanks for the heads up"? I literally mentioned the RFC twice. And cherrypicking a non-expert citation and an obscure, seemingly non reliable citation does not exactly count as "reliable sources". HistoryofIran (talk) 13:32, 18 November 2024 (UTC)