Talk:Édouard Manet

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I have started an article about Le déjeuner sur l'herbe. I suggest we shorten the paragraph about that work in this article. - Karl Stas 15:27, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I have been reading The Judgment of Paris, and I added it to the additional reading section even though it is about impressionism in general and not Manet specifically. The reason why I decided to add it is that this article is virtually without footnotes and as I read it through it seems like every single section is merely a condensed excerpt from this book. Not every Manet biography gives the same facts in the same order, so to me this indicates plagiarism. I am at work now, but this weekend I plan to go through The Judgment of Paris and add appropriate footnotes. Anyone who has added something recently from another source should double-check that that acknowledged that source appropriately. CClio333 12:16, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, I added citations where I thought they were most revelant. I focused on specific insights, not generalities about Manet's life and style. However, the citation at the bottom didn't come out right - I don't know what that " a b c d " business is at the beginning. I had wanted to include the page numbers as well but couldn't figure out how to manage it. His heritage and job prospects come from page 15, the perception of Tuileries by his contemporaries as unfinished on pages 52-54, Luncheon on the Grass as a modernization of Rafael from pages 40-42, symbolism in Olympia from pages 105-107. CClio333 22:08, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Would someone kindly flesh out/add information to the article, Le Printemps or to its mention here? There's scant information about it.

Edouard vs. Mobile Ad-hoc Networks (MANets)

The keyword Manet used to go through to the page on Mobile Ad-hoc Networks. Now while I agree Edouard did get there first a MANet is a valid computing term of increasing importance so I'm going to set up a disambiguation page. In future please don't just change a redirect, if there's more than one possible usage then do a short disambiguation page. McClade 01:09, Dec 27, 2004 (UTC)

Perhaps there should be one of those nifty notices saying "This article is about the painter. For the mobile network, please see lbablabla"? Jobjörn (talk) 13:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

The Gallery

The selections were very carefully chosen, many of Manet's most important works, and an essential visual component to an article about one of the most important artists of the 19th century. Modernist 15:22, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Modernist! I noticed the gallery immediately, since I was considering directing my beginnings students here.Profhum (talk) 08:24, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Luncheon on the grass

In the article Giorgione's influence has been cited via either the Tempest or the Pastoral Concert. I've followed another contributor's cue and supported the latter. In fact, both paintings are cited in the literature as probable influences, so we're safe with either. JNW (talk) 07:41, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

• Looks good to me. Pastoral Concert makes more sense as a Luncheon influence anyways. --JaGa (talk) 09:30, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Um, the description there is still of the Tempest, which I am putting back. The painting Pastoral Concert needs further desciption. Certainly this painting Pastoral Concert, 1508, (attributed to Titian, or Giorgione) closely resembles the Manet, and my understanding is that both works have been described and cited as precedents for Luncheon on the grass. If I have the time today I'll add the painting with description to the section. If not then tomorrow. Modernist (talk) 13:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
    • Good enough. Thanks, Modernist. JNW (talk) 22:11, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
• Hmm, I just noticed January 23rd was Manet's birthday. I guess an appropriate day to edit on this page. - Modernist (talk) 00:59, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
  • I propose a glass of absinthe in his memory. JNW (talk) 04:05, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Galleries/Commons

While commons is an overall and indisciminant repository of material, a gallery that works correctly presents material in a chronological, and carefully selected manner that reads as an edited catalogue of only the most important and characteristic work. The gallery in the article is meant to present information to the reader in a clear and succinct manner. While commons is more of a larger and somewhat less discriminating storage of images. Modernist (talk) 12:58, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree, although this one, with just titles, owners & dates, could add more info in the captions, & be arranged, and perhaps split into mini-galleries, to reflect the "subjects" sections - although that would lose the chronological arrangement. Johnbod (talk) 13:00, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Is Manet an impressionist? Some say "No", some say "Yes", some add him "Impressionist painters" category... =) Please, if you are 110% sure, write whether he is or not an impressionist at the start of the article. ..Personally I think he is...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.130.16.116 (talk) 20:47, 24 December 2008 (UTC) 

Manet was definitely not an Impressionist, despite being regarded as the father of Impressionism. The reference to Monet should read "Not to be confused with Claude Monet, *an* impressionist painter of the same era" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.61.205.81 (talk) 03:55, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

To describe Manet as an impressionist is to misunderstand or blur the category so broadly as to be meaningless. Contemporaries did not regard him as an 'impressionist', so-called. Nor did Manet place himself in that group of painters or style. Are there citations from significant critics or art historians who labeled Manet an impressionist? 2601:196:4700:E5C0:8CDA:9F52:796A:A048 (talk) 15:59, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Article name

Correct French usage is not to put accents on capitals. See Pompidou Centre,[1] plus National Gallery, London.[2] I will move the article, but just checking in case anybody has good reason not to. Ty 13:28, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

It seems the accent is staying per this discussion. Ty 01:42, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

pronunciation

Does anything in the current IPA "edwaʁ manɛ" indicate stress? I understand that the 'correct' but not necessarily used-in-English pronunciation accents the first syllable of "Manet". Outriggr (talk) 02:21, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Olympia

I recall from my art history classes that some of the major controversy with the Olympia piece stemmed from him utilizing a well known prostitute as his model. It might be an interesting fact to note that many of the upper class men who would attend the salon would recognize her because they had been with her. Stylistically the article highlights Manet's tendencies to outline his figures, and touches a bit the juxtaposition of his blurry brushstrokes combined with hyper-realistic figurative portrayal, but in the Olympia piece this particular stylistic aspect caused many people to be incredibly incensed. One of the reasons I adore Manet is the way he so brilliantly played with the viewer. I think the article might benefit from adding some scholarly conjecture of his attitude and approach to his painting style. Perhaps taken from his letters published as Manet By Himself ISBN: 0821218425. For example, the reason he wanted to keep exhibiting at the Salon was because he knew he could most affect Frenchmen's perceptions of classicized art from within the establishment. Which becomes very clear as you read his correspondence during the periods when his art is most incendiary.CLAvalon (talk) 18:13, 2 November 2010 (UTC)User:CLAvalon, 2:12pm 2 November, 2010

I don't think that Victorine was a prostitute, though she may be acting as one in the painting. Feel free to add sourced content, per WP:RELIABLE, at Olympia (Manet). The segment here is a more abbreviated overview. JNW (talk) 18:19, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

References

Additions to the end of the the "Early Life" section

I think that something important to point out about Manet is how unlike most impressionist artists he preferred to work inside his studio instead of outdoors. I think this could be a nice addition after the first sentence of the last paragraph in this section; "In 1856, Manet opened his own studio". http://impressionist1877.tripod.com/manet.htm

Nsnoddy (talk) 15:45, 15 August 2012 (UTC) Nsnoddy, Art History Major- Penn State 2011

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This photo is dated 1866 in Murrell, Denise (2018). Posing Modernity: The Black Model from Manet and Matisse to Today, p. 12. Therefore, I changed "sometime before 1870" to "in 1866." Maurice Magnus (talk) 00:27, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

The photo is dated 1867 in Bombert, Beth Archer (1996). Edouard Manet: Rebel in a Frock Coat, photographs following p. 330. Maybe that's why it said "sometime before 1870." Maurice Magnus (talk) 01:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Édouard Manet (23 January 1832 – 30 April 1883) was a French modernist painter. He was one of the first 19th-century artists to paint modern life, and was a pivotal figure in the transition from Realism to Impressionism. His early masterworks, Le Déjeuner sur l'herbe and Olympia, both painted in 1863, caused great controversy and served as rallying points for the young painters who would create Impressionism. Today, these are considered watershed paintings that mark the start of modern art. This portrait of Manet was taken by the French photographer Nadar.

Photograph credit: Nadar; restored by Adam Cuerden

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Life and time: War

I’ve seen conflicting info on whether Manet was in Paris during the Commune. The article currently states that Manet left in January and returned in June (referencing a letter, although without a specific citation), but Encyclopedia Britannica says: "In February 1871 he rejoined his family, returning to Paris shortly before the Commune.” I guess it’s possible he left in January, came back in February, and left again at some point?? Does anyone have more info or other sources on this topic? Otherwise I will edit to say something along the lines of “It is unclear whether Manet was in Paris during the Commune or not.” 11Lathe (talk) 22:47, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi 11Lathe! I was just at the Manet/Degas exhibit on 11/14 & it is good to see you taking this up. I would suggest that you look at the following sources:

• "Eduard Manet: Civil War". The Metropolitan Museum of Art. 2008-10-20. Retrieved 2023-11-19.
• macommunedeparis (2016-07-03). "Édouard Manet et la Commune". La Commune de Paris (in French). Retrieved 2023-11-19. This is a French blog, but useful in machine translation for background.
• Nord, Philip (1989). "Manet and Radical Politics". Journal of Interdisciplinary History. 19 (3). JSTOR: 447–480. doi:10.2307/204364. ISSN 0022-1953.
• Rogan, Clare (2014-12-10). "FROM THE VAULT". Wesleyan University Magazine. Retrieved 2023-11-19. Also a blog
• Boime, Albert (1995-12-31). "3. The Dislocating Impact of the Commune on the Impressionists" (PDF). Art and the French Commune. Princeton University Press. doi:10.1515/9780691239705. ISBN 978-0-691-23970-5. Two weeks after the armistice of 27 January IS7l, Manet rejoined his family in southwest France. There he stayed until the Commune had been proclaimed, subsequently made an effort to enter Paris but changed his mind, and then either returned to Paris during Bloody Week (22-28 May) or just after. A letter of 10 June to Bcrthe Morisot states that he has been back in Paris for "several days," presumably less than a week, suggesting that he may have retreated from Paris again to wait out Bloody Week.

Peaceray (talk) 01:42, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Amazing! I was there on 11/17, great exhibition. Thanks for these sources! I'll work on updating. 11Lathe (talk) 15:58, 19 November 2023 (UTC)