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50 female inventors with the most cited patents worldwide
Hi all
I've done some collaboration with the UN World Intellectual Property Organization and have imported into Wikidata the 50 female inventors with the most cited patents worldwide. They will automatically be added to the redlist for inventors but I've also listed them below. Please do take a look and if you write any of the articles please do ping me, I'd really like to encourage them to share more data and having Wikipedia articles will really help. Thanks to Ipigott, Victuallers, Dodger67, Caeciliusinhorto who took part in the conversation which helped me compile this list.
Thanks very much
Sample of top 50 cited female inventors from WIPO
This list is automatically generated from data in Wikidata and is periodically updated by Listeriabot.
Edits made within the list area will be removed on the next update!
John Cummings (talk) 13:03, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- Inspiring list John, will be a nice target for our Ada Lovelace 24 Round the clock editathon - hope you can join us.?? Victuallers (talk) 13:55, 13 September 2021 (UTC) Is there any more stuff? I just looked up Mariah Baughn and found this. But its not clear if she IS the inventor we are looking for, as the Wikidata record is a start but there are no details. Can WIPO supply what she invented as that may help in identifying who is who. Victuallers (talk) 14:03, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks Victuallers, yes, they're going to supply some references, however filtering for whats useful for Wikipedia is causing some issues, most of them have 1000s of references in other patents.... Can you send me a link to the editathon? John Cummings (talk) 15:28, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, John Cummings. Will the names in this list show up on our Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Inventors list? Also, your list includes a column for "residence", but not for "country of citizenship"; is there a reason for displaying in that way?
- Regarding the WiR Wikidata Inventors list, it doesn't include a column for Wikidata Q number (which it should) and it does include a "#" column (which should be removed). Hoping our technical people can make these adjustments. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:48, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Rosiestep yes it will show up in the inventors redlist list, it says country of residence because they only had patent application information for address, not nationality unfortunately. Thanks, John Cummings (talk) 16:43, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks Victuallers, yes, they're going to supply some references, however filtering for whats useful for Wikipedia is causing some issues, most of them have 1000s of references in other patents.... Can you send me a link to the editathon? John Cummings (talk) 15:28, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- I wonder how many of these are actually notable. I searched on the distinctively-named Deborah L Culbertson, & she is a chemist researching into insecticides for BASF and others. This https: -- oh naughty link - //www.patentsencyclopedia.com/app/20140364466 is one of her patents] (edit out my comment - this is blacklisted for some reeason) - she is the 8th named out of 12 inventors. The patent text is wonderfully incomprehensible. The rest of the google search doesn't give much more for an editor to go on< & not enough to pass AFD I think. Johnbod (talk) 15:52, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- Johnbod, I had similar thoughts. I think its a mixed bag. Lene Lange likely is notable based on her citation counts, Diana Pani possibly not...I supposed this is the case with all the redlink indexes. In some cases, redirects could be helpful if editors add mentions of them (when appropriate) to an existing article related to a concept or invention. TJMSmith (talk) 16:14, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Johnbod and TJMSmith I was told that citation count would count towards notability, which you also say above. Each of them have 100s of citations on PatentScope which is the worldwide database of patents (appears to be undergoing maintainance when I just checked). I'm unable to work out from the guidance if patent citations count towards notability on Wikipedia, do you know? John Cummings (talk) 16:43, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, I don't - David Eppstein probably does. Johnbod (talk) 17:00, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- Re pinging, as I messed the link to David Eppstein Johnbod (talk) 17:02, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- I don't recall ever seeing an AfD where citations to patents were used, successfully or unsuccessfully, as an argument for WP:PROF#C1. My tendency would be to think that they do not count, because they are different from the sort of scholarly contribution that WP:PROF is supposed to be about, but it's hard to predict how other participants would react. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:06, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- I worked on the columns issues for Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Inventors but there's one more issue. While there's a column now for "site links", the number of site links isn't showing up. Can someone sort out why? Also, the names in John Cummings list now show up on the WiR Inventors (WD) list. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:43, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- fixed --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:51, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- Tagishsimon, thanks! Rosiestep (talk) 20:40, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- fixed --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:51, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- I worked on the columns issues for Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Inventors but there's one more issue. While there's a column now for "site links", the number of site links isn't showing up. Can someone sort out why? Also, the names in John Cummings list now show up on the WiR Inventors (WD) list. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:43, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- I don't recall ever seeing an AfD where citations to patents were used, successfully or unsuccessfully, as an argument for WP:PROF#C1. My tendency would be to think that they do not count, because they are different from the sort of scholarly contribution that WP:PROF is supposed to be about, but it's hard to predict how other participants would react. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:06, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- Re pinging, as I messed the link to David Eppstein Johnbod (talk) 17:02, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, I don't - David Eppstein probably does. Johnbod (talk) 17:00, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Johnbod and TJMSmith I was told that citation count would count towards notability, which you also say above. Each of them have 100s of citations on PatentScope which is the worldwide database of patents (appears to be undergoing maintainance when I just checked). I'm unable to work out from the guidance if patent citations count towards notability on Wikipedia, do you know? John Cummings (talk) 16:43, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- Johnbod, I had similar thoughts. I think its a mixed bag. Lene Lange likely is notable based on her citation counts, Diana Pani possibly not...I supposed this is the case with all the redlink indexes. In some cases, redirects could be helpful if editors add mentions of them (when appropriate) to an existing article related to a concept or invention. TJMSmith (talk) 16:14, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- It looks to me as if there could be serious problems of notability if a women is part of a large team of inventors, as mentioned in the patent application and related citations. If anyone has time, it would be useful to look into this more carefully. Perhaps we could include names which really appear to deserve articles in crowd-sourced red lists such as Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Science, including refs to valid sources. This could help with the creation of articles in future events. John Cummings: Do you think WIPO would be able to assist with this, in particular by highlighting patents including women in, say, teams of up to three inventors? It would also be useful if they could provide information about women along the lines of the EPO's Women inventors.--Ipigott (talk) 11:41, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- If it would be helpful, I can run an analysis on Scopus metrics (total citations, number of papers, h-index, top 5 paper citations) for each woman in comparison to those of her extended coauthors to get a sense of relative scholarly impact. This would of course only be useful for those in (mainly academic) research. On my user page I have a similar list of highly-cited redlinked women who showed up among the coauthors of AfD nominees. JoelleJay (talk) 11:54, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- Looking at those from Denmark, the following appear to be notable enough for inclusion:
- Grethe Nørskov Rasmussen: pharmaceuticals researcher, Chief Development Officer at FluoGuide A/S [1], [2], [3]
- Lene Lange, Biotechnology researcher at DTU, [4], [5], [6]
Maryana Iskander
The WMF has a new CEO: Maryana Iskander (https://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2021/09/14/wikimedia-foundation-appoints-maryana-iskander-as-chief-executive-officer/). --Rosiestep (talk) 16:00, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- And here Maryana tells the Wikimedia movement how Women in Red was involved in the creation of her Wikipedia article. Thank you to WiR member, JRandomF! --Rosiestep (talk) 16:46, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you all for contributing to her Wikipedia biography. Isn't it great to have one more woman as our CEO? Excellent choice! But I see we'll have to wait until 5 January for her official takeover. Does she have a user name?--Ipigott (talk) 17:55, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
Proposal to make it more difficult to include maiden names
At Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biography#Postulating on eliminating inclusion of non-notable names for any individual, there is a proposal to prevent us from including former names for people (in particular maiden names for women who changed their names on marriage) unless they achieved notability under the former name or the former name is covered by "high-quality" sources. This would appear to prevent, e.g., routine marriage announcements from being used to source maiden names. Note that this is for all biographies, not just living people. Please weigh in there if you have an opinion. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:57, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- Just added a comment there. I hope more WiR participants will join in as I think it's very concerning.--Oronsay (talk) 20:25, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for bringing this to our attention @David Eppstein and Oronsay:. Note that the proposal would eliminate not just former names, but later names as well. Thus someone who retains a notable name after marriage for continuity of career, but uses a married name civilly, would have no childhood, nor death, as the only allowable sources would refer to the notable name. Why does this smack of stealing women's nationality, oops I meant identity? SusunW (talk) 21:33, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- Thank goodness it's been so strongly opposed. I have just written separate articles on three Danish sisters, all of whom were writers. Avoiding their maiden names would have made it impossible to discuss their relationship. A more sensible proposal would have been to include maiden names where possible.--Ipigott (talk) 08:33, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for bringing this to our attention @David Eppstein and Oronsay:. Note that the proposal would eliminate not just former names, but later names as well. Thus someone who retains a notable name after marriage for continuity of career, but uses a married name civilly, would have no childhood, nor death, as the only allowable sources would refer to the notable name. Why does this smack of stealing women's nationality, oops I meant identity? SusunW (talk) 21:33, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
Input requested
Hello all. Input is requested at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation#Removing actress as a dab word?. I don’t have a pre-set opinion on this, but considering so many articles are involved I think there should be some discussion before a massive change like this is fully implemented.4meter4 (talk) 10:07, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
New Jersey Women
This book, Past and Promise: Lives of New Jersey Women, by the Women's Project of New Jersey on important New Jersey women is great. FloridaArmy (talk) 16:05, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
Turkish and French biographies, requesting help
Greetings,
Lately we initiated biography article draft Turkish–Circassian author Draft:Hayriye Melek Hunç and there is further scope for article expansion. Good number of sources are in Turkish language hence we are looking for article expansion support or translation support for Draft:Hayriye Melek Hunç. Some refs are available @ Draft talk:Hayriye Melek Hunç
Similarly there is one French author tr:Alexandre Toumarkine who seems to have worked on Turkish sources. Sources related to the author seem to be in French or Turkish so looking for help in creating a biography article about tr:Alexandre Toumarkine.
Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 05:30, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
Women Citizens League(s)
Hello all, I saw this tweet yesterday, which got me immediately see what I could find out! It seems like the Women Citizens League had branches all over the world (not just Leeds). I've put what I could discover in my sandbox but there's not a lot! I wondered if other people had come across the organisation/s? I'm particularly keen to see if I can work out when the whole thing started? Thanks in advance Lajmmoore (talk) 08:30, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
- Lajmmoore: Looking at the draft on your user page, it seems to me as if "Women Citizens League" became a generic term for associations involved in suffrage, etc. In some cases, suffrage organizations simply seem to have changed their name once the right to vote had been obtained. I don't think they are necessarily inter-related but I may be wrong. There are/were also a number of organizations calling themselves "Citizens League".--Ipigott (talk) 09:48, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
- At least in the UK the suffragettes/suffragists created several women citizen organisations including what became the Townswomen's Guild. The organisation's included the objective of educating the new voters about the mechanism (and opportunities) of government. I would be very interested in finding a way to approach say the Women's Institute on the opportunity they/we have for changing the future. The gendergap in bad but its amazing that everyone of us has the power to fix it. Victuallers (talk) 15:35, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
New article on memoirist/Holocaust survivor: Sabina Zimering
I nominated Sabina Zimering at WP:ITN/C as her death was announced yesterday. Wish I knew more about how she became one of the only women and Jews to attend medical school immediately following WWII. Would appreciate if anyone could do a copyedit (I wrote it quickly). If someone found an photo, that would be great! TJMSmith (talk) 15:21, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
Move percentage to subpage?
I noticed that a lot of edits to the project page are to update the statistic of the percentage of articles about women. Would folks here appreciate it if that was moved to a subpage to reduce watchlist clutter, or are the updates done directly on that page intentionally? If it's kept here, it should probably be wrapped in a labeled section so it can be transcluded to other pages. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 00:25, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for raising this. A separate template - Template:Wikidata Human Gender Indicators - is used on the WIR meetup pages and elsewhere throughout the project. I'd like the stats to stay as is, as View history is a useful way to track the steady increase. Not sure what you mean by "reduce watchlist clutter" as the main reason I follow the WIR project page is to see the changes on this, its Talk page, where there are changes every day.--Oronsay (talk) 01:18, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
- By no means my greatest struggle in life but since asked, I would be happy for an option to watch this talk page without the % updates. Innisfree987 (talk) 02:35, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
- As the updates are manual, we could perhaps reduce them to once a month.--Ipigott (talk) 07:05, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
- I think this is a good idea, reducing overall number of updates but giving change over a salient interval like a month. Innisfree987 (talk) 16:35, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
- As the updates are manual, we could perhaps reduce them to once a month.--Ipigott (talk) 07:05, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
- By no means my greatest struggle in life but since asked, I would be happy for an option to watch this talk page without the % updates. Innisfree987 (talk) 02:35, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
- Looking back at the last 500 edits on this board, I calculate we see 92 updates per week on talk. And (bar errors when transcribing figures) 1 update per week for stats on the main page. This is not a "problem" worth solving. The figures are not transcluded anywhere - at least, not in the phrasing used on the main page. Weekly figures are the expectation of avid stats watchers. I'd be as happy if we left things as they are. --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:09, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
- So would I. But there's actually a serious problem with the main WiR page. I often update items in the announcements, research, etc., but because of the X-project set up, these are not reflected for page watchers. That's probably the reason no one ever notices them. It may be a good idea to introduce standard page setup.--Ipigott (talk) 17:02, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
Maeva Douma
Hi. I always like to promote my work when it's more than just a stub for this project. Please see my latest creation, Maeva Douma, a 16 year old cricketer from Cameroon, who made her international debut last week. Thanks! Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 08:55, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
- Hi there, Lugnuts. Always good to hear from you. I've just been looking at the huge number of new articles about cricketers and footballers you have created over the past few weeks. As you probably know, sports is one of the areas which keeps the percentage of women's biographies so low. It would therefore be great if you could try to create more articles about women, even short stubs. I'm pretty sure that would significantly improve our stats. Let's see how things go over the next month or so.--Ipigott (talk) 08:52, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Ipigott: Thank you - and it's almost if you've read my mind! Women footballers are my next little project. A list like this has so many redlinks, and it's not alone. And to help, I created a quick stub only a few minutes ago for this cyclist. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 08:57, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
- Lugnuts: Sounds great! Keep up the good work!--Ipigott (talk) 10:33, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
- I think it would be preferable (although not for raw stats, I guess) to write more pages like you did on Douma -- detailed, fleshed-out articles with SIGCOV sources -- rather than more stubs. You might also consider adding Douma's feat to the Mankading description if it's DUE (I don't know if the coverage included discussion on how the dismissals were regarded re: Spirit of Cricket). JoelleJay (talk) 17:04, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
Is there a way to track the total and mean/median kBs dedicated to women's bios?
Sorry if this has been discussed (I know depth of coverage has been a topic in the past, but I don't recall this metric explicitly being brought up). I'd be really interested to see a comparison of article length between men's and women's bios. It's not a great measure of depth per se, but it does represent editor attention to some extent and so might be valuable to track. JoelleJay (talk) 17:15, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
- JoelleJay: While I am not aware of any research specifically based on the length of articles, there have been a number of comparative studies including one on Women through the glass ceiling: gender asymmetries in Wikipedia. I see, by the way, you have an interesting STEM women's redlist on your user page.--Ipigott (talk) 19:39, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
- Ipigott, thanks for the article link, that research is really interesting! This passage especially hit home for me:
For example, the Finkbeiner test [10] suggests that an article about a woman often emphasizes the fact that she is a woman, mentions her husband and his job, her children and childcare arrangements, how she nurtures her underlings, how she is taken aback by the competitiveness in her field, and how she is such a role model for other women.
This is definitely something to be mindful of when writing our biographies. I personally find it so frustrating that women, especially in STEM, are expected to be active mentors to other women and to participate in efforts to increase diversity (to a much greater extent than men); some of us are introverted and awkward and antisocial and forcing us into performative roles where we feel judged as representatives of our gender isn't helpful for anyone. Like, sorry, being the only woman senior researcher in the lab doesn't mean she's equipped or willing to guide every single new female intern! That's barely a step up from automatically being added to the party-planning committee! JoelleJay (talk) 00:02, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
- Ipigott, thanks for the article link, that research is really interesting! This passage especially hit home for me:
- I don't know any either, but I'm not sure what it would prove. I'd guess that both of the following statements are true:
- a) the 10/20/30 % of longest biographies on WP are even more heavily male than the overall average.
- b) the 10/20/30 % of shortest biographies on WP are even more heavily male than the overall average.
Johnbod (talk) 00:08, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
- Based on my purely anecdotal evidence, where an article exists, it's more likely to be of a decent quality if it's on a woman than a man, but that doesn't mean much. Eddie891 Talk Work 00:31, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
- JoelleJay: If you are interested in more general research on women vs. men on Wikipedia, we have a list of pertinent papers at Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Research.--Ipigott (talk) 09:46, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Marina Voikhanskaya
Hello, I prepared this draft https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Marina_Voikhanskaya and I would ask whether it could be included in the project WomeninRed and published in the main space. Could you please review it? ThanksMorningbastet (talk) 12:23, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
Interesting...
I often find myself commenting that the history of women has only been studied since the 1970s, thus much of women's personal stories and the work that they did was also obscured. Since they were so heavily involved in activism and humanitarian work, in the absence of social service organizations, I found this particularly interesting..."[T]he history of humanitarian interventions has only become a new branch of contemporary historiography in the past 20 years, whereas it had been previously 'treated as a subject without history'.(Limbert 2015, p 4) The struggle is real. SusunW (talk) 13:30, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
- I find it interesting too. I purchased a used copy of "The Power of Feminist Art: The American Movement of the 1970s, History and Impact" and am realizing how important the 70s were. I was taking way to much for granted about the collective effort of women to add women into history. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:43, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
- SusunW: It may well be true that "humanitarian interventions" has only recently become a branch of historiography but I must say I have been impressed with the detailed coverage of a number of Danish women writers in the Dansk Biografisk Lexikon which was completed in 1905. Much - but certainly not all - of the research has been republished in today's Dansk Biografisk Leksikon. But maybe the reason I have been looking at these articles is simply because we have now begun to look more carefully into the history of writers and their influence on the development of humanitarianism. In any case, I've been trying to cover some of those who have been forgotten.--Ipigott (talk) 16:00, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
- Yes! WomenArtistUpdates, incredibly important and often forgotten because to many the civil rights era ended in the 1960s...sigh. Women's studies, ethnic studies, gender studies all emerged in the 1970s, as did landmark decisions (Roe, limits to torture in interrogation) and legislation (Title 9, Equal Pay Act 1970), and, and, and. Ipigott, my guess at the renewed study would be the recognition, finally, of intersectionality. For millennia, history was the tale of great men with everyone else sitting on the sidelines watching them "be great". Isolated efforts were made to tell other stories, but often these were one-dimensional, focused categories of people, like writers, suffragists, trade unionists, etc. With the rise of women's, ethnic, and gender studies and the attempt to study and weave these experiences in to the greater historic record, one could begin to see the interconnections of how these groups interacted and impacted history. Just my theory, but I think it is important to remember because it explains why sourcing is so difficult for under- and unrepresented topics in the encyclopedia. SusunW (talk) 16:33, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
- And to my complete chagrin now SusunW, Dr. Gerard was one of my professors! While I was gazing out the window. she was organizing. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:48, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
- WomenArtistUpdates, one of the reasons I pushed so hard for WiR to focus on gender studies and academics each April. While they were collecting stories and publishing about historic figures, many of those early academics in the field did not even think about writing about each other and the pioneering work they were doing. It is only as we are beginning to lose them that their work comes into focus and is recognized for its importance. SusunW (talk) 17:21, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
- SusunW, Indeed, I can't seem to find enough reliable sources to write an article on Jacqueline Skiles, and she really should have one :( WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:45, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
- WomenArtistUpdates Yes, totally frustrating. I tried to search and as you say, mostly snippets. SusunW (talk) 18:23, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
- WomenArtistUpdates, perhaps info on Skiles can be added to Women Artists in Revolution and Art Workers' Coalition. Maybe a historian will publish a scholarly work on her life that can be used in a biographical entry. TJMSmith (talk) 18:34, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
- SusunW, Indeed, I can't seem to find enough reliable sources to write an article on Jacqueline Skiles, and she really should have one :( WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:45, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
- WomenArtistUpdates, one of the reasons I pushed so hard for WiR to focus on gender studies and academics each April. While they were collecting stories and publishing about historic figures, many of those early academics in the field did not even think about writing about each other and the pioneering work they were doing. It is only as we are beginning to lose them that their work comes into focus and is recognized for its importance. SusunW (talk) 17:21, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
- And to my complete chagrin now SusunW, Dr. Gerard was one of my professors! While I was gazing out the window. she was organizing. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:48, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
- Yes! WomenArtistUpdates, incredibly important and often forgotten because to many the civil rights era ended in the 1960s...sigh. Women's studies, ethnic studies, gender studies all emerged in the 1970s, as did landmark decisions (Roe, limits to torture in interrogation) and legislation (Title 9, Equal Pay Act 1970), and, and, and. Ipigott, my guess at the renewed study would be the recognition, finally, of intersectionality. For millennia, history was the tale of great men with everyone else sitting on the sidelines watching them "be great". Isolated efforts were made to tell other stories, but often these were one-dimensional, focused categories of people, like writers, suffragists, trade unionists, etc. With the rise of women's, ethnic, and gender studies and the attempt to study and weave these experiences in to the greater historic record, one could begin to see the interconnections of how these groups interacted and impacted history. Just my theory, but I think it is important to remember because it explains why sourcing is so difficult for under- and unrepresented topics in the encyclopedia. SusunW (talk) 16:33, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
- SusunW: It may well be true that "humanitarian interventions" has only recently become a branch of historiography but I must say I have been impressed with the detailed coverage of a number of Danish women writers in the Dansk Biografisk Lexikon which was completed in 1905. Much - but certainly not all - of the research has been republished in today's Dansk Biografisk Leksikon. But maybe the reason I have been looking at these articles is simply because we have now begun to look more carefully into the history of writers and their influence on the development of humanitarianism. In any case, I've been trying to cover some of those who have been forgotten.--Ipigott (talk) 16:00, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
- Also speaking of women's studies academics, I finally started Jane Sherron De Hart since hearing about her last winter. She founded a women's studies department in the 1970s. TJMSmith (talk) 21:40, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, a two-fer - Women writers and Women's Leadership! WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:14, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
Bot not updating Missing articles list
The list Missing articles by occupation/Artists-Canada was moved March 18, after which listeria bot seems to have stopped automatically updating the page. I imagine the path from the bot to the page is broken; pinging User:Sadads who (I think) created and moved it from their user space. --- Possibly ☎ 22:06, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
- The report had SPARQL issues, which are now fixed; and so it now runs as well as Listeria reports run. I've added it to the redlist index. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:03, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
Just for info
Greetings,
@ Humanities Reference desk I sought info relating notable incidences at notable monuments.
I shall be taking up topic of, 'how much any notable event or notable crime is relevant to the article about notable monuments/ public locations' in due course of time and would seek some participation also from WP Women related projects.
As of now if some one comes across notable incidences at notable monuments think of it's relevance 'in the article about notable monuments/ public locations'. I shall invite for related discussions when I raise them @ WP discussion desks.
Thanks. Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 05:39, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
Requesting a review of draft Mademoiselle Archambault
Hi everyone. I have created a draft here User:Unexpectedlydian/Mademoiselle Archambault for a French author who is notable as a feminist essayist. I think I have enough reliable sources for a solid stub. This is my first article about a non-English-speaking author and a non-English work, so I'd really appreciate a second pair of eyes from someone who is more comfortable in this space than I am! Unexpectedlydian (talk) 13:27, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
- Unexpectedlydian, I just did a little copy edit, but it looks good to me. Feel free to post here when you submit the draft for review! Lajmmoore (talk) 13:57, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
- Unexpectedlydian, I reviewed it and I think it's ready for mainspace, e.g. I don't think it needs to be submitted for any further draft reviews. At 2066 B and four solid references, it meets the requirements for Start (not Stub) class. I don't know if there's anything more here (fr:Mademoiselle Archambault) that you might want to incorporate into the en.wp biography, but mentioning it in case you hadn't noticed it. Thanks for creating a biography about a woman writer! --Rosiestep (talk) 14:46, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
- Unexpectedlydian, great work! I agree with Rosiestep that it doesn’t need to go through AfC (already a solid start—plus now you’ve had a couple AfC readers read it anyway!) so I just went ahead and promoted it. Well done! And on theme for the Women Writers editathon! Innisfree987 (talk) 16:02, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
- Lajmmoore Rosiestep Innisfree987 Thank you all for your help and encouragement! Much appreciated :) Another red link turned blue! Unexpectedlydian (talk) 16:04, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
- Unexpectedlydian, great work! I agree with Rosiestep that it doesn’t need to go through AfC (already a solid start—plus now you’ve had a couple AfC readers read it anyway!) so I just went ahead and promoted it. Well done! And on theme for the Women Writers editathon! Innisfree987 (talk) 16:02, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
- Unexpectedlydian, I reviewed it and I think it's ready for mainspace, e.g. I don't think it needs to be submitted for any further draft reviews. At 2066 B and four solid references, it meets the requirements for Start (not Stub) class. I don't know if there's anything more here (fr:Mademoiselle Archambault) that you might want to incorporate into the en.wp biography, but mentioning it in case you hadn't noticed it. Thanks for creating a biography about a woman writer! --Rosiestep (talk) 14:46, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
Jesse or Jessie?
Are there any research whizzes who might help me confirm whether African-American newspaper publisher Mrs. Robert Lee Vann was Jessie or Jesse? Many conflicting sources and I can’t quite suss out which is the more reliable. (The draft is currently Draft:Jessie Vann but I would love to confirm before I send to mainspace, and I’m a bit stumped.) Innisfree987 (talk) 18:10, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
- My brother-in-law would tell you that Jesse is the male spelling and Jessie the female spelling. The NY Times calls her Jessie[7], as does the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette,[8], and since her paper was in Pittsburgh, I would think they would get this right. I see what you mean though about all the variant spellings. I'm still guessing that the traditional spellings would hold in her era. Will do a bit of snooping and see what I can find. SusunW (talk) 18:37, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
- Most sources include the 'i'. Of course, with historic people there is almost guaranteed to be alternative spellings of names. It's not that some sources are correct/reliable and others not, it will be that contemporaneously, Mrs. Vann probably didn't have a fixed spelling and so it was recorded differently by different people. As I said, "Jessie" seems to prevail, but both versions should be bolded. Kingsif (talk) 18:38, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
- Doing a search through Newspapers.com, nothing comes up for me for Jesse Vann. But Jessie Vann showed 745 matches. Traditionally, "Jessie" is the female name, and "Jesse" is the male. The 1967 US Congressional Record noted the death of "Jessie Vann" on p 934.Congressional Record Since Congress has privy to Social Security records, I'd take their word for the spelling. — Maile (talk) 18:46, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
- Maile66, Kingsif, SusunW, thank you all so much. I had struck out looking at my local library’s collection of African-American papers, so didn’t occur to me to try Newspapers.com, but lo and behold her paper the Pittsburgh Courier is included—and they include the “i” which feels definitive to me. I had been concerned that particularly given the era, predominantly white institutions might not catch an alternate spelling. But the Courier should know (though I agree the alternate spelling should be noted). Thank you so much for this collaborative effort! Innisfree987 (talk) 19:01, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Innisfree987 I did a search through the Pittsburgh Courier archives on newspapers.com. I find 1 entry with "Jesse M. Vann", and 42 with "Jessie M. Vann". Add to that, that there are multiple immigration documents like this one (she's on line 11 and Robert on line 23) which all spell it "ie" and give the birth date of 23 February 1885 in Gettysburg. Since immigration docs typically require an official proof of nationality (birth cert, passport), I'd say it is "ie" and that is her birth info. SusunW (talk) 19:08, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
- SusunW, between this and Maile’s pulling a death announcements out of the Congressional record, I knew WiR possessed some high-skill research techniques I still haven’t leveled up to! Fabulous. Signing up for FamilySearch now. Thank you! Innisfree987 (talk) 19:22, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
Disappearance of Lauren Cho
I have created an article for the Disappearance of Lauren Cho, a missing persons case that has drawn more media attention since the Disappearance of Gabby Petito. Any help with the article would be appreciated. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 20:27, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
May Childs Nerney image
Can anyone track down an image of May Childs Nerney? Might be fair use or PD Eddie891 Talk Work 21:03, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
Anita Gargas
I completed this yesterday, Anita Gargas but the image is a bit ropey. I don't know if its out of focus. If somebody could find a better public domain image, it would better than this. Perhaps if its made bigger, I might be able to see it. scope_creepTalk 11:03, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
Request for input Mariama Bawumia
I would appreciate some un-involved editor input at Talk:Mariama Bawumia#Merge proposal; as the pre-ceding AFD (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mariama Bawumia) closed as no consensus. All opinions welcome.4meter4 (talk) 20:33, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
Lucy F. Simms ~ Emancipation and Freedom Monument
Former slave and educator Lucy F. Simms (1855−1934) is currently a redirect. Hers is the only missing biography out of all the individuals honored in the new Emancipation and Freedom Monument. TJMSmith (talk) 19:07, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
- Sources that could help develop an article: The Journey : Lucy F. Simms' impact on Harrisonburg and beyond (WHSV3/MSN, Feb. 27, 2021), Lucy F. Simms biography to be a part of county schools curriculum (WHSV3, Jan. 25, 2021), Former teacher writes biography on Lucy Frances Simms (WHSV3, Oct. 27, 2020), Lucy F. Simms Continuing Education Center (City of Harrisonburg, Virginia), The Life of Lucy F. Simms (online companion to the permanent exhibition), Feature Friday: Celebrating Simms and Black History in Harrisonburg (JMU Libraries, Feb. 5, 2021), Simms Historical Marker Unveiled In Harrisonburg (Daily News-Record, Aug. 13, 2021), Lucy F. Simms School (Virginia Department of Historic Resources) - Beccaynr (talk) 20:54, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
- OK, I will have a go at this.--MerielGJones (talk) 19:01, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- I've changed the re-direct into the start of a page about her. Many thanks TJMSmith for suggesting doing this and Beccaynr for locating so much source material.--MerielGJones (talk) 22:12, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- OK, I will have a go at this.--MerielGJones (talk) 19:01, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
Madeline Bell (hospital executive)
If anyone has access to additional sources for Madeline Bell (hospital executive), it would be nice to add them as her biography is over at AfD. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:26, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
October 2021 at Women in Red
Special event:
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Sarah Sherman
I just created a stub for American comedian Sarah Sherman. She was recently hired by Saturday Night Live as a cast member. Any help improving her article would be appreciated. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 01:41, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
Latest from Women Do News
"Why we need more biographies of women journalists on Wikipedia" by Marcela Kunova, posted on Jounalism.co.uk.--Ipigott (talk) 10:27, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
- interesting article. Unfortunately they don’t seem to have done even basic fact-checking:
This is even more true for women journalists of colour, like Marvel Jackson Cooke. She was the first African American woman to work at a mainstream white-owned paper and a civil rights activist. Despite her contribution to history, her biography was not added to Wikipedia until 2020.
Cooke had an article in 2004… Eddie891 Talk Work 10:35, 24 September 2021 (UTC)- Thanks for this, Eddie891. Alerting Angshah.--Ipigott (talk) 10:48, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
- Really appreciate the heads up! We got wires crossed somewhere on this one — Cooke is on a list of articles we improved in edit-a-thons, not ones we created. Working on a correction.--Angshah (talk) 14:56, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for your quick response, Angshah. It would be useful if you could provide links to the articles the project has created and those which have been improved, as well as to a list of participants, especially newcomers. Perhaps we'll be able to help some of them with their editing. I believe somewhere you also have a redlist which might be useful in connection with this month's focus on women writers. Please let us know if we can be of any further assistance.--Ipigott (talk) 08:59, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, makes sense. Thanks for the quick response. Eddie891 Talk Work 01:31, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
We do have a list for people who sign up on our website. We’re working on our Wikipedia presence, but for now, it’s off this site. Angshah (talk) 16:40, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- This article, like so many others on this topic, puts the cart before the horse. A WP article is the consequence of notability, not the cause. Women journalists don't become notable when a WP article hits mainspace - notability is conferred by the sources, exactly the sources that journalists create. Journalists are in fact the most powerful people in the whole struggle for recognition. Women journalist seeking to raise the "profiles" (bad word) of other women need to write about them, not here on WP, but in the newspapers, magazines, and websites where they work. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:50, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
Invitation to participate in the #SheSaid Campaign 2021
We are delighted to share with you that the #SheSaid Campaign will be running again this year and you are invited to participate in Oct/Nov 2021.The goal is to celebrate notable women and add more entries on Wikiquote. Please have a look at some of the cool bookmarks we have completed and ready for you to print if you wish to do so. If you would like to have the editable version of the bookmark please contact me at Shoodho , visit some sample of bookmarks here:Bookmarks.For more information, please visit the campaign page here:SheSaid page If you have any questions or query please feel free to contact Islahaddow, Anthere or Shoodho.
Kind regards, Shoodho — Preceding undated comment added 07:43, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
requesting advice regarding possible copyvio Nancy Pukingrnak Aupaluktuq
Hello hive brain! I was adding references to Nancy Pukingrnak Aupaluktuq. I came across the article about her in Inuit Art Quarterly. Is there a way to tell if Inuit Art took their article from Wikipedia? Earwig's Copyvio Detector came up blank because the page isn't in html. Any suggestions? Anyone familiar with the Inuit Art Quarterly site? Thanks for taking a look. Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:52, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
- Pinging CambridgeBayWeather who may be able to give some feedback. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:39, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
- I'm familiar with the magazine but couldn't tell you which came first. The author Ser Amantio di Nicolao has been around a while (2006) and I don't recall ever seeing them mentioned as having violated copyright. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 03:11, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
- I tend to think that they copied it from us. The first time the IAQ site was crawled by archive.org was two days ago (this cannot rule out that the site has been around longer, though), while our article has existed since 2017. It's also common for sites of this nature to copy Wikipedia articles. Also, Ser Amantio di Nicolao is a longstanding editor and I also don't recall any issues like this. (If he were copy/pasting whole paragraphs this surely would have come up before IMO.) Calliopejen1 (talk) 05:19, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not actually seeing the copyvio. It's probable that one leaned on the other, but both have distinct phrasing, slight structural distinctions, and plain differences. --Tagishsimon (talk) 06:05, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
- Earwig did not find copyvio. --- Possibly ☎ 12:33, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
- The Inuit site seems to be inaccessible to earwig per the OP. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:58, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
- Apologies for being late to the party - I was otherwise engaged last night and this morning. (One of those days when I find myself quoting Robert Bolt: "I'm breathing...are you breathing, too? It's nice, isn't it?")
- I had never seen Inuit Art Quarterly prior to creating the article. My source was largely the cited book North American Women Artists of the Twentieth Century: A Biographical Dictionary. So I suspect the Quarterly pulls from us, and not the other way around.
- To be sure I'll have another look at the book tonight, but I don't think there's anything to worry about here. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:36, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Rosiestep, CambridgeBayWeather, Calliopejen1, Tagishsimon, Possibly, and Ser Amantio di Nicolao: Thank you all for taking the time to review this. Also for the improvements! I think we have a solid article now and my concerns about copyvio were misplaced. Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:07, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
AIGA to partner WikiEdu on women in design
"Member-Led Effort Will Bring Histories of Women, People of Color in Design to Wikipedia", by Lisa Boylan, Associations Now, 24 September. More details on "AIGA Announces Innovative Initiative with Wiki Education to Expand and Build More Comprehensive Design Histories for Public on Wikipedia", from AIGA, 20 September.--Ipigott (talk) 08:46, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for sharing! Fred (talk) 13:19, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
Women in Green - October Good Article Editathon
Hi all -- I just wanted to post a quick reminder that the month-long Women in Green Good Article Editathon will be starting tomorrow. Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing Good Article (GA) nominations related to the theme of women's rights, with instructions, resources and one-on-one support provided for editors who are less experienced with the GA review process. All are welcome! Alanna the Brave (talk) 18:25, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
Fair Use photo of Nina Griscom
Regarding this month's theme on women writers, I was reviewing the Nina Griscom (d. 2020) article. There's no photo in the article and I wondered if a Fair Use image was available. I found several photos of her in her New York Times obit, but I don't know if any qualify under Fair Use. Hoping those who are more savvy in this regard can take a look? --Rosiestep (talk) 19:14, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- Our fair-use policy is principally about excluding the possibility of finding a freely licensed image. I’m happy to dig in and see if I can find one; will report back. (None of the images in the article are free AFAICT but any should be ok for fair use of the other criteria is satisfied. That said, would be interested to hear if anyone is of the opinion that one in the article is already free.) Innisfree987 (talk) 20:06, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- Here’s the Commons guidance that makes me wonder if any published '80s photos of her are already free even without a CC or PD notice (if not the ones in the article, there are many others). Images are free in the US under the following circumstances (among others):
"Anything published in or after 1978 but before March 1, 1989 with no copyright notice is in the public domain unless the work's copyright was registered within 5 years of the work's initial publication."
I tend to assume Getty et al would have been registering copyright but I am out of my depth here—maybe others can give a firmer answer. Innisfree987 (talk) 20:32, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- Here’s the Commons guidance that makes me wonder if any published '80s photos of her are already free even without a CC or PD notice (if not the ones in the article, there are many others). Images are free in the US under the following circumstances (among others):
LOC photo of Virginia Gildersleeve
Adam Cuerden, I don't know if you're looking for additional photo candidates which would benefit from your wizardry, but in reviewing the Virginia Gildersleeve article, I noticed her Library of Congress photo. It looks pretty good -it is by Harris & Ewing- but could be better. No worries if you're busy with other things. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:50, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
Add to Beverly Gage
I wish it was under better circumstances that I'm sharing the creation of a new article – Beverly Gage of Yale University is clearly notable and is in the middle of an academic freedom issue. Any help here would be welcome. [9] - Fuzheado | Talk 21:25, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- While looking for additions to Beverly Gage, I came across a New Hampshire state legislator named Beverly A. Gage, who was born 1 February 1934 according to this unreliable source. I would create the stub but I would at least like to know if she is still alive, but haven't come across anything in the news media past the 1990s. Anyone have any ideas? AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 00:08, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
Marie-Thérèse Schins
If anybody has any time, can they have a look at the references. They are quite poor condition but have potential. scope_creepTalk 10:24, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
An obituary for Teresa Miller was recently published in the NYT, but I'm having trouble establishing WP:NPROF. The article's been tagged since 2018. There's a decent case for C1 based on this paper and this paper, but the lack of reviews or other independent sources is challenging. Help appreciated. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 12:50, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, I noticed it when I edited the page yesterday. There really isn't much right now. I think we should check again in 6 months or so when more of her colleges have time to write retrospectives and her family decide whether to gift her collection if she has one to an institution. I doubt anyone will list it as WP:PROD anytime soon and have seen cases get extended after a death because new things often come up in the months following.Fred (talk) 16:08, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
Women in Latin America contest - results
From July to September 2021, Women in Red held the fourth of our three-month virtual Continental Challenge contests, focusing on Women in Latin America.
The contest had 29 active participants and 370 article were created.
The winners are:
- Winner: Fixer88 - 97 articles
- Second place: Nick Number - 72 articles
- Third place: Rosiestep - 51 articles
Hip hip hooray!
The final three-month virtual Continental Challenge contest started today, focusing on Women in Oceania. Articles need to have a running text or readable prose size of 160 words or 1,000 characters. Members of Women in Red are invited to participate. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:21, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
- Those down under participating in the Ada Lovelace Event might be interested in this opportunity. Victuallers, please keep them informed.--Ipigott (talk) 16:32, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
Mentors needed for Growth features
Hello Women in Red participants! I'm Marshall Miller; I'm the product manager for the Growth team at WMF. I last posted here about the Growth features in June, when we were starting the trial of giving the features to 2% of new accounts. After looking at the results of that trial, community members decided to proceed with increasing the share of new accounts getting the features to 25%. An important part of the Growth features is the "mentorship module" (see accompanying image), in which the new accounts are each assigned a mentor from a list of experienced editors who have signed up to take part. For now, we'll only be scaling the mentorship part up to 5% of new accounts, because we need more mentors in order to go further.
I'm writing now because many of you are excellent mentors for newcomers, and it would be a big help if you were to sign up and your names to the list (we're looking for about 10 more mentors). We consider this to be a relatively lightweight commitment -- rather than an ongoing committed mentorship relationship, the work here is mostly about answering one-off questions from newcomers who are stuck on things like adding images, adding references, or writing a new article. Once you're on the list, you'll start getting new accounts assigned to you automatically, which means that questions will start appearing on your User Talk page, which you can just answer right there. You might expect to receive about 5 questions per week.
You can read more details about the features on the project page, and about community experiences with mentorship on the talk page. To try out the features yourself, you can follow these instructions. Please let me know if you have any questions! MMiller (WMF) (talk) 00:05, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- I have just joined up and hope others will too. Keeping new editors engaged and supported is a worthwhile activity. I'll report back to WiR about how it goes when I've been assigned a mentee and had some experience. Oronsay (talk) 21:02, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- MMiller (WMF), I've joined up! Lajmmoore (talk) 11:57, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- MMiller (WMF), as a small note of feedback, I would be happy to participate in a similar program, if I could choose the frequency of requests. I know you mention one-off questions but my experience is even these can become fairly time-consuming and I don’t think I could commit to it more than once a week to begin (if it really proved light duty, then I might up it but this is not my experience working with new editors). Just my two cents in case it could help recruit more participants. Innisfree987 (talk) 20:03, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
Mary Nerney
Mary Nerney would seem likely notable (I found [10], [11], [12]). I'm looking for some non-NYC coverage. Thoughts? Eddie891 Talk Work 21:58, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
- [13] and [14] (from an AP wire report, republished in many other places) might be useful. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 22:23, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
- New York State Senate Resolution J3750 Mourning the death of Sister Mary Nerney, nationally known advocate for incarcerated women and victims of domestic violence (2014), Working Lives: Sr. Nerney, advocate for battered women (Irish Echo, 2011), Legal Help for Poor Is Caught in Political Chokehold (NYT, 1998, brief mention), Woman sentenced for slaying of husband (UPI, 1988, brief mention). Beccaynr (talk) 20:04, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
How many articles have you created about women?
Humaniki provides a global insight on gender imbalance in Wikipedia showing that there are 19% of biographies about women. However today, there is no tool showing gender statistics at the user level.
Following a discussion with Sdkb, I've created a tool which compute statistics at the user level. It takes the list of articles you've created and returns the number of articles by gender : https://observablehq.com/@pac02/user-level-gender-statistics-for-wikipedia
Feedback is welcome. PAC2 (talk) 19:51, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
- This is quite cool; thanks for creating! {{u|Sdkb}} talk 19:58, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
- My stats are 283 f: 70 m. It would be nice if it also gave a figure for non-biography creations ... though that might get cluttered up by dab pages and surname lists, not to mention redirects, unless it was very smart! PamD 21:49, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
- The whole thing seems very creepy and objectionable to me. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:32, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
- Tagishsimon, I don't share your instinctive reaction. I think tools like this may have a place to e.g. help correct unconscious bias. Dsp13 (talk) 18:33, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the work on this, @PAC2 and Sdkb, however, the tool's calculations don't match up with my list. According to the tool, I've created 890 women's biographies. According to my records, I've created 1,579 women's biographies (1,578 = human women; 1 = fictional woman). Maybe I made a mistake with the tool? --Rosiestep (talk) 02:15, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
- The tool looks as if it has potential. However it gives me only 898 women's biographies though I have in fact created 1,635. There seem to be similar problems with Rosiestep. Any explanations?--Ipigott (talk) 16:24, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
- It looks as though the tool may have a 1000 limit on the number of pages initially retrieved.Dsp13 (talk) 18:33, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, I ran into the same limit (with I think roughly similar numbers of creations as Rosie and Ipigott, although I haven't kept careful records of exact numbers). —David Eppstein (talk) 19:16, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
- It looks as though the tool may have a 1000 limit on the number of pages initially retrieved.Dsp13 (talk) 18:33, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
- The tool looks as if it has potential. However it gives me only 898 women's biographies though I have in fact created 1,635. There seem to be similar problems with Rosiestep. Any explanations?--Ipigott (talk) 16:24, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
- Looks like I don't have many biographies in general (10 f, 21 m), which does seem to match up with what I have listed on my page. Though that is missing rewritten pages and expanded from very short stubs. Also, does it count pages that someone else started in draftspace, but that I actually wrote and moved to mainspace? @Thriley:, you're stealing all my article count credits! :P SilverserenC 19:17, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Silver seren:, Not stealing! I laid the egg but you incubated them! Thriley (talk) 18:26, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for all your feedbacks. I need some time to answer to everyone.
Rosiestep, David Epstein it seems that the xtools page created csv only returns 1,000 pages. I'll invistigate further to see if I can get all pages created.
Silver seren it only takes into account articles you've created. Of course this is very imperfect because you may contribute to many articles about women. PAC2 (talk) 19:28, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, PAC2. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:34, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
PamD I'll invistigate further to give some insights about non biographical articles. PAC2 (talk) 19:31, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
@PAC2: Thanks for the tool - I really really like that it distinguishes beyond a gender binary of M/F:
key label value share Q6581072 female 272 95.774648 Q6581097 male 5 1.760563 Q1097630 intersex 3 1.056338 Q1399232 fa'afafine 2 0.704225 Q1052281 transgender female 1 0.352113 Q48270 non-binary 1 0.352113
It was fun to use and seems pretty accurate according to my own (much shorter than others') list Lajmmoore (talk) 21:34, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
Could I ask the good folk at Women in Red to keep an eye on this new article? Haugen has just been all over the news, and I hence have concerns about it being a WP:BLP1E, but I'd rather defer that decision to a wider consensus. In any case, there has been quite a bit of edit-warring on this, so it definitely needs more eyes on it. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:17, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
Deborah Fallows
I was surprised to see that Deborah Fallows did not have an article. A classic example of a woman who gets a small mention on her more famous husband’s article but no article for herself. Thriley (talk) 15:31, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
- A screenshot of Fallows can be taken from this creative commons-licensed YouTube video [15]. TJMSmith (talk) 13:04, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Innisfree987: could you help with a screenshot? TJMSmith (talk) 12:21, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ping @TJMSmith, I’ll be happy to. Innisfree987 (talk) 18:04, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
Done Thanks for finding the video, TJMSmith! Innisfree987 (talk) 18:52, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ping @TJMSmith, I’ll be happy to. Innisfree987 (talk) 18:04, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Innisfree987: could you help with a screenshot? TJMSmith (talk) 12:21, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
I visited the grave of India Hamilton today on my way down to Williamsburg, and just created the article about her. I know there are some portraits available, but don't believe they are out of copyright, and I'm awful at anything involving the fair-use templates. I know there are others here who are far better-versed in fair-use than I; would it be possible to take a look at the portraits and see if one could be added to the article?
Incidentally, to get to Williamsburg I passed through Port Royal, Virginia (home of Dorothy Roy, on my list of articles to create) and just south of Portobago (home of Judith Lomax). After visiting Hamilton's grave I went to dinner in Warsaw, which is south of the birthplaces of Mary Ball Washington and Catharine Carter Critcher; then I came through New Kent County, where Martha Washington was from. A nice reminder of the deep wells of history one can find when one travels off the beaten path. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 05:48, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
If someone could take a look at this and maybe try to give a hand to the draftee that would be appreciated. The base claim for notability is "first black trans PhD in Brazil", but the draftee could use a hand. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 18:53, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
- If the claim is that then it should say that and not that she was "the first with a Phd in Education". Are parents, date and place of birth known? Victuallers (talk) 12:19, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
Shaker women
Not quite a side project, but something I've been keeping on the back burner for a while, and have finally begun to bring to a bit of a boil.
My choir has quite an interest in Shaker music, and our composer-in-residence has done extensive work researching it and publishing arrangements. This in turn has led me to begin to develop a list of notable Shakers, and Shaker-related subjects, for possible future work. There's a Historical Dictionary of the Shakers available at one of our local libraries, and I was finally able to visit it a couple of weeks ago and transcribe the titles of entries to see what can be ported over here.
The Shakers were very much an egalitarian society in many ways, and as such the Dictionary has a fair number of entries for Shaker women, many of whom do not have articles here. Here's a list taken from the Dictionary:
- Minnie Catherine Allen
- R. Mildred Barker
- Lillian Barlow
- Harriet Bullard
- Frances E. Carr
- Dorothea E. Cochrane
- Hannah Cohoon
- Sarah Collins/Mary Jane Sarah Collins
- Harriett Newell Coolbroth
- Mary Antoinette Doolittle
- Dorothy Ann Durgin
- Mary Marshall Dyer
- Ruth Farrington
- Lillibridge Marguerite Frost/Lily Marguerite Frost
- Cassandana Goodrich
- Roxalana Grosvenor
- Mary Frances Hall
- Thankful Hamlin
- Sarah Harrison
- Rebecca Cox Jackson
- Emma Belle King
- Polly Ruth Landon
- Polly Lawrence
- Ann Lee
- Goldie Ina Ruby Lindsay
- Aurelia Gay Mace
- Clymena Miner
- Emma Jane Neale
- Sarah Neale
- Mary Elizabeth Noyes
- Cora Helena Sarle
- Dolly Sexton
- Gertrude May Soule
- Prudence Stickney
- Jane Sutton/Mary Jane Sutton
- Leila Sarah Taylor
- Ten Gems of Priceless Worth
- Jennie Wells
- Mary Whitcher
- Anna White
- Ella E. Winship
- Lucy Wright
Each of these women warrants an individual entry in the dictionary, so I think it's safe to say each can be the subject of a separate article (with maybe one exception.) There's some material available online for some, less for others. But the Dictionary exists if anyone wants to look for it. (I would note that there are two editions; the recommended one is that by Stephen Paterwic, as I have it on good authority that the other edition is error-riddled.)
I have more links in my userspace if anyone is interested in this project more generally, but the above are all the names of women I could find. I'll also be talking more to our composer-in-residence, and see if he can add some names to the list. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 17:04, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- Very cool find, Ser Amantio di Nicolao; let's not lose these names! If you or someone else has time/inclination, maybe create a new redlist like these (Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Redlist index#Dictionaries and other reference works)? --Rosiestep (talk) 17:16, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Rosiestep: I'll create one for the dictionary...also one for Shakers generally. I'm sure there are other names we can add to this list. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 17:41, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- Ser Amantio di Nicolao, wonderful; thanks! Rosiestep (talk) 17:47, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Rosiestep: I've created two: one for Shakers generally and one for the Dictionary. The two are identical right now, but I'm hoping that will change soon enough. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 18:00, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- Awesome; that was quick, Ser Amantio di Nicolao! Regarding the first list (Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Shakers), I wonder if there would be a benefit to move it to Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by focus area/Shakers, or to Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by organization/Shakers, or perhaps Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles/Shakers? I'm not familiar enough with Shakers to know which would be more precise and perhaps the current version ("by occupations") is optimal, so I'm just being curious. Rosiestep (talk) 18:34, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Rosiestep: The Shakers were a Christian sect; they were a denomination, but were also set apart from other groups by their communal living arrangements, so there were social elements to the group as well. Very small (though with an outsized influence on American culture), so perhaps that last would be best. I'll go ahead and make the move; I've also added some names that our composer-in-residence sent me a few months back. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 18:43, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- Awesome; that was quick, Ser Amantio di Nicolao! Regarding the first list (Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Shakers), I wonder if there would be a benefit to move it to Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by focus area/Shakers, or to Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by organization/Shakers, or perhaps Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles/Shakers? I'm not familiar enough with Shakers to know which would be more precise and perhaps the current version ("by occupations") is optimal, so I'm just being curious. Rosiestep (talk) 18:34, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Rosiestep: I've created two: one for Shakers generally and one for the Dictionary. The two are identical right now, but I'm hoping that will change soon enough. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 18:00, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- Ser Amantio di Nicolao, wonderful; thanks! Rosiestep (talk) 17:47, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Rosiestep: I'll create one for the dictionary...also one for Shakers generally. I'm sure there are other names we can add to this list. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 17:41, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
@Rosiestep: *blush* I would if I had gotten the link correct in the first place... --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 18:56, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- Great stuff and plenty of opportunities for those involved in Wikipedia:WikiProject 1000 Women in Religion. But from now on I'll be careful how I use Movers and Shakers.--Ipigott (talk) 16:39, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
- Just as an aside as I was born and raised in the Northeast, Shakers came from Quakers. See Shaker Protestant Sect. The subject of the article above Ann Lee or "Mother Ann" as she became known as, is mostly responsible for creating the doctrine of the sect. They believed "Great manifestations including trembling and shaking." I have had contact with many of the Separatist groups since they all came through Pennsylvania first then dispersed from there. I saw some beautiful Shaker furniture in the Philadelphia Museum of Art. There's also a list article of notable Quakers who have articles here: List of Quakers. The Quaker William Penn is the English-born founder of Pennsylvania. I sometimes miss the area but have been away quite awhile. These are interesting topics. dawnleelynn(talk) 02:48, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
- dawnleelynn: Many of these facts seem to be included in the articles on Quakers and Shakers. If you are interested in the subject, you might like to improve these further.--Ipigott (talk) 09:42, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
- Shakers, Quakers, and Ann Lee was a question on Jeopardy last night.dawnleelynn(talk) 13:55, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
- dawnleelynn: Many of these facts seem to be included in the articles on Quakers and Shakers. If you are interested in the subject, you might like to improve these further.--Ipigott (talk) 09:42, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
- Just as an aside as I was born and raised in the Northeast, Shakers came from Quakers. See Shaker Protestant Sect. The subject of the article above Ann Lee or "Mother Ann" as she became known as, is mostly responsible for creating the doctrine of the sect. They believed "Great manifestations including trembling and shaking." I have had contact with many of the Separatist groups since they all came through Pennsylvania first then dispersed from there. I saw some beautiful Shaker furniture in the Philadelphia Museum of Art. There's also a list article of notable Quakers who have articles here: List of Quakers. The Quaker William Penn is the English-born founder of Pennsylvania. I sometimes miss the area but have been away quite awhile. These are interesting topics. dawnleelynn(talk) 02:48, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
I just came across this BLP. It could use some assistance if anyone has some time. The prose section is sourced entirely to biographical entries at institutions for which she has worked as an academic; most likely written by the subject or by someone who works with her. I haven't gone through the external links at the bottom which may have some quality secondary or tertiary sources, but the article does need a going over for encyclopedic tone. It's likely she would pass either NAUTHOR or NACADEMIC, so I don't think notability is an issue; but I could be wrong. Best.4meter4 (talk) 16:17, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
Alice Badiangana / Alice Mahoungou - French help needed
Hello all! I'm not sure if @Ipigott: or any other French speakers could help? By accident the Congolese trade unionist Alice Badiangana/Alice Mahoungou ended up with separate English pages (my fault - the spellings of the redirect are different and I didn't notice). I've merged the page I created with the existing one, and I think that's OK. However, on FR she also has two pages: fr:Alice Badiangana and fr:Alice Mahoungou - would someone who speaks French be able to merge them? Then we can merge their wikidatas [16], [17] and things will be tidier! I have zero French, sadly! Lajmmoore (talk) 19:23, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
- As our good friend Nattes à chat is one of the editors of Aice Mahoungou, perhaps she would like to take care of it.--Ipigott (talk) 08:23, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
- Cheese I had not seen the message before, sorry. I'll look into it :) Nattes à chat (talk) 16:55, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
- Ok @Ipigott and Lajmmoore: it's done ! Thank you for pinging me and sorry for the delay :)Nattes à chat (talk) 09:47, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
- Nattes à chat: Looks good. Thanks very much.--Ipigott (talk) 09:59, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
- Merci beaucoup Nattes à chat Lajmmoore (talk) 18:26, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
- Nattes à chat: Looks good. Thanks very much.--Ipigott (talk) 09:59, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
- Ok @Ipigott and Lajmmoore: it's done ! Thank you for pinging me and sorry for the delay :)Nattes à chat (talk) 09:47, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
- Cheese I had not seen the message before, sorry. I'll look into it :) Nattes à chat (talk) 16:55, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
Statistics, apparently unchanged on 19.09%
I was hoping we'd make it to 19.10% women's bios this week, ahead of next week's Ada Lovelace Day 24-Hour Global Edit-a-thon, but it was too much to expect – last week's was 19.085%, which is rounded up to 19.09%. This week it's 19.090%. We must not be disheartened by this apparent lack of progress – #WikiAda24 should help us reach this stepping-stone.--Oronsay (talk) 16:19, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
Élisabeth Dmitrieff
Élisabeth Dmitrieff has recently been promoted to a featured article on fr-wp, meaning that there is now good potential if someone wants to upgrade the quality onf en-wp.Nattes à chat (talk) 09:50, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
- Good work! Upgrade? there is an article in several languages ... but English is missing ... anyone? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Victuallers (talk • contribs) 11:44, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
- There is an English article; it's linked in the original post above. DanCherek (talk) 11:55, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
- It's a quality article in French mow (my very first) Nattes à chat (talk) 11:41, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
- Well done Nattes à chat! Innisfree987 (talk) 22:23, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
- I see @Bogatyr: has started to update the article. He was so helpful in the process, especially for transcripting correctly russian names and reading russian sources :)Nattes à chat (talk) 09:02, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- Well done Nattes à chat! Innisfree987 (talk) 22:23, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
#drawtober les sans pagEs
Hi there, on the francophone project we are having a "drawtober" challenge to illustrate articles without pictures here : https://fr.wiki.x.io/wiki/Projet:Les_sans_pagEs/Les_sans_images/Drawtober_les_sans_images. You are all most welcome to participate if you wish. Here are the list of illustrations that were generated : https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Drawtober_les_sans_images. Kind regards, Nattes à chat (talk) 22:14, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
- I really really love this innovation! It's amazing Lajmmoore (talk) 16:15, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
- Just to note that English Wikipedia generally takes a dim view of such home-made drawings, presumably of copyrighted photos, which tend to get removed from articles. Johnbod (talk) 17:23, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
- Yes you have to be careful but it is still possible to draw fom a video still and mixing up several images. The rules are defined by commons really, what regards copy rights. You can use free open sources ressources likes Inkscape or KritaNattes à chat (talk) 09:05, 8 October 2021 (UTC).
Draft:Lisa Schulte Moore
I started a draft on Lisa Schulte Moore, one of the MacArthur fellows announced yesterday. If anyone can find material that would beef it up, much appreciated. --- Possibly ☎ 12:19, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Possibly: Can you please submit that and I will post it. There is coverage on four continents now and it should be in mainspace. scope_creepTalk 15:53, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Scope creep: I moved it to mainspace on your advice. Feel free to add to it. --- Possibly ☎ 16:30, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Possibly: Coolio. That is a Major prize she was awarded. Really heavy heavy duty and she is ultra notable, in the classic way, the old way, when it meant something. I'll watch out for it and add when I can. scope_creepTalk 16:42, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Scope creep: I moved it to mainspace on your advice. Feel free to add to it. --- Possibly ☎ 16:30, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Possibly: Can you please submit that and I will post it. There is coverage on four continents now and it should be in mainspace. scope_creepTalk 15:53, 8 October 2021 (UTC)