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January 31

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January 31, 2020 (2020-01-31) (Friday)
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  • The Royal Solomon Islands Police Force stop searching for nine people who disappeared at sea on January 15 when their boat capsized. Five men, two women and two children are now presumed dead. (RNZ)

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  • In Farrukhabad, Uttar Pradesh, India, a man is shot and killed by police after taking more than 20 children as hostages for more than 10 hours. Angry locals later beat the hostage-taker's widow to death. It is unknown whether she was involved in her husband's plan. (BBC News)

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(Posted) RD: Anne Cox Chambers

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Article: Anne Cox Chambers (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
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Article needs updating
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 MurielMary (talk) 11:39, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done. MurielMary (talk) 12:25, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Mary Higgins Clark

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Stale, unimproved. Stephen 02:36, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Mary Higgins Clark (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Author of numerous suspense novels. A few CNs lingering in the body, but the ologies need a lot of work. Masem (t) 03:40, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per nom. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 12:49, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose a considerable amount of the references are referring to her own work Joseywales1961 (talk) 12:52, 1 February 2020 (UTC) reviewed as per note below Joseywales1961 (talk) 15:23, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • As a note, that appears to be her autobiography, which is perfectly acceptable once the basis of notability was established by independent, third-party secondary sourcing (which is clearly there). As long as it is only supporting basic biographical details or her own specific thoughts, and not contestable statements. --Masem (t) 14:48, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, in the news and mentioned quite a bit. --Rockstonetalk to me! 01:47, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I was willing to overlook the one remaining CN, but it's also an NPOV concern if unsourced: critics have complained that the books are of lesser quality—Bagumba (talk) 06:30, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Janez Stanovnik

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Article: Janez Stanovnik (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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Nominator's comments: Prominent Slovenian politician, President of the Socialist Republic of Slovenia. The references have been updated. Tone 18:46, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Homero Gómez González

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Article: Homero Gómez González (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Time
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Mexican environmental activist TJMSmith (talk) 16:56, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: I've expanded the article since nominating it. TJMSmith (talk) 19:26, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Léon Mokuna

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Article: Léon Mokuna (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Belgian-Congolese footballer, and one of the first Africans to play in Europe. —Brigade Piron (talk) 13:25, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Removed) Ongoing removal: 2019–20 Lebanese protests

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Article: 2019–20 Lebanese protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: Last update on the 27th, last major milestone was the new government on the 21st. There are some one-sentence updates in between but not a single one mentions the size of the protests. LaserLegs (talk) 11:30, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Remove Per nom. No continuing information about the protests being added to the article; if the notable piece is the formation of a new government, a new ITN item should be posted as such with the correct article as the subject. SpencerT•C 13:00, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep for now. The last milestone was the passing of the 2020 budget on 27 January while protesters tried to prevent the parliamentary session. Twelve people (including 4 seriously) were injured in the protests outside the government building. Wait a couple of days. The Grammy awards were on 26 January. Until the Grammys roles off this is still current. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 14:23, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support for Removal Yes, its still going, yes it has reasonable updates, but this is a type of "white noise" protest - its going to go on indefinitely, and it is not necessarily terribly violent as compared to the Hong-Kong ones. We have a LOT of ongoing right now, and of the present ones, this is least headline-y so in considering prioritization and keeping the ITN box reasonably sized, this could go. --Masem (t) 14:34, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove The nature of protest has evolved in the past few years, such that large scale protests are becoming common place. We have two on ongoing now, and have had several others in the recent past. We need to start rethinking how we handle protests in the way we have US-school shootings and LGBT rights decisions - understanding that the world is different now. GreatCaesarsGhost 14:56, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. We are going to have to consider having a fixed maximum number of ongoing items, as we do for RDs. This seems to be the least current of the set. Espresso Addict (talk) 23:44, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support removal - according to [1], the demonstrations are losing steam. Banedon (talk) 03:45, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ready consensus seems clear on this one, time to pop it off --LaserLegs (talk) 11:46, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Removed — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:10, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) New IBM CEO Appointed

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No consensus in favour. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 13:45, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: IBM (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Arvind Krishna is appointed as CEO of IBM replacing Ginni Rometty. (Post)
News source(s): [2] [3]
Both articles updated
 2409:4062:2E88:4A53:2099:B004:BAED:C25A (talk) 05:58, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) Ongoing: 2019–20 Australian bushfire season

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Article: 2019–20 Australian bushfire season (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC, AP
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: State of emergency declared in Australian Capital Territory. The Chief Minister is telling people in the southern suburbs of the capital Canberra to be prepared for fire arriving (About 10km away). Plenty of updates in the last few days Bumbubookworm (talk) 03:19, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I see one emergency, in Cape Conran, a place the article doesn't mention. Still optimistically doubtful. For Victoria, anyway. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:57, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
But next day threat subsides. – Sca (talk) 13:47, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Brexit

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Map of UK (in orange) and EU (in blue)
Article: Brexit (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The United Kingdom formally withdraws from the European Union. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The United Kingdom withdraws from the European Union and begins an eleven-month transition period.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The United Kingdom leaves the European Union and as the withdrawal agreement, including an 11-month transition period, comes into effect.
Alternative blurb III: ​ The United Kingdom leaves the European Union.
News source(s): (BBC), (Vox), AP, Guardian, Reuters
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Nominator's comments: Well, after almost four years the day has finally come. For those not in the know, one of the most powerful nations is leaving one of the largest and most powerful supranational organizations on Earth, and it is the first time the procedure for leaving has been carried out in full. It has cause a lot of political and economic turmoil at home and abroad in the past, and will assuredly continue to do so in the near future. The article itself has been put in the ITN section in the past, is generally in good shape, and is being continuously updated. The reason I'm nomming it now is, barring a really freaky event, it is certain to happen at this point. Mount Patagonia (talk) 00:15, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • What? Are you saying that nobody living on the islands was allowed to vote in the referendum!? You're also implying that Gibraltar was allowed to vote separately if they stay or go - the Gibraltar vote was almost 100% remain, but it was counted as part of a southern English region that was otherwise largely leave. It's part of the UK. Or are we saying "Great Britain, Northern Ireland, Gibraltar, and the rest of the British Isles and territories constituting the UK leave the EU"!? Sure, Gibraltar is probably the most relevant, given it entirely borders different EU countries, but that doesn't mean it's not constitutionally part of the UK, or it wouldn't be leaving. Kingsif (talk) 20:20, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Impeachment trial of Donald Trump

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The general sentiment is this is premature nomination and that's unlikely to change. – Ammarpad (talk) 04:13, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Impeachment trial of Donald Trump (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The senate votes 51-49 not to call witnesses. (Post)
News source(s): [4]
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: This is a pretty significant event in the trial. I think it's notable enough to be in In The News. Minecrafter0271 (talk) 23:26, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I know, but it is still pretty notable. If it goes in In the News twice, it isn't the end of Wikipedia. It just means that two events took place and they will link to the same article! Minecrafter0271 (talk) 23:36, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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January 30

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January 30, 2020 (2020-01-30) (Thursday)
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(Posted) 2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak

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Article: 2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The World Health Organization declares the outbreak of respiratory disease from a novel coronavirus to be a Public Health Emergency of International Concern. (Post)
News source(s): WHO, BBC
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: I know we've just had an item on this, but we have generally run PHEIC declarations in the past. Article is being continuously updated. Espresso Addict (talk) 21:40, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

But with death toll (today: 213) constantly rising, it's still the No. 1 international story. – Sca (talk) 14:31, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, I think if the blurb stays here for too long, we should propose to go back to the statistics of infection/mortality rather than the WHO proclamation. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 14:35, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
We could always write the current blurb as "The Wuhan coronavirus outbreak kills at least 213, and is declared a Public Health Emergency of International Concern by WHO". ("WHO" can stay abbreivated here if space is at a premium)." --Masem (t) 14:38, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Of International Concern" would be expendable in the interest of space. Or we could say "an international public health emergency" (without the bureaucratic caps). – Sca (talk) 18:18, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As I write above, the declaration is explicitly NOT because of the increase in cases in China, it's because of the risk of spread to low/middle income countries, so any addition of cases needs not to link the two. Espresso Addict (talk) 21:56, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

China toll hits 361 425. – Sca (talk) 13:44, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Spitzer Space Telescope

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No consensus to post. Stephen 22:52, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Spitzer Space Telescope (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ After extending its original 5-year mission to 16 years, NASA terminates the Spitzer Space Telescope program. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Spitzer Space Telescope is retired after 16 years of infrared observations
News source(s): CBS News Science
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: The actual command to end the mission will happen within the next 24hr (probably daytime in Houston) tiiiiny chance it will not happen. Masem (t) 04:24, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: John Andretti

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Article: John Andretti (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indianapolis Star
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Member of the Andretti racing family. Thrashbandicoot01 (talk) 04:32, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

January 29

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January 29, 2020 (2020-01-29) (Wednesday)
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(Closed) Northwestern Syria offensive

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Closed. Consensus against posting. – Ammarpad (talk) 19:25, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Northwestern Syria offensive (November 2019–present) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Syrian government forces retake the strategic town of Maaret al-Numan in the Northwestern Syria offensive (November 2019–present) (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Syrian government forces retake the strategic town of Maaret al-Numan in the Northwestern Syria offensive.
News source(s): [5]
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: Article is orange-tagged. I leave it to someone else to delete the tag and make it postable. Banedon (talk) 11:31, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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January 28

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January 28, 2020 (2020-01-28) (Tuesday)
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(Posted) RD: Paul Farnes

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Article: Paul Farnes (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Telegraph
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Nominator's comments: Last surviving RAF fighter ace from the Battle of Britain. Only two other pilots survive. Article looks to be in reasonably good shape. [Memory eternal.] Ad Orientem (talk) 00:11, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Yang Xiaobo

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Article: Yang Xiaobo (Hubei politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Paper, Radio France
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former mayor of Huangshi, a major city near Wuhan. Probably the first notable death of the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak. Death announced on this date (actual date not yet disclosed). Zanhe (talk) 02:55, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Harriet Frank Jr.

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Article: Harriet Frank Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
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Nominator's comments: Is a GA and looks generally good to me, although I don't think some of the awards are directly cited in the body? Could maybe use another set of eyes. Nohomersryan (talk) 00:25, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support Good to go. The one CN is not enough to hold up posting given the otherwise solid article quality. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:31, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Lexii Alijai

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Died on 1 January, and reported on that date. RDs aren't posted when the cause of death becomes known. Stephen 23:58, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Lexii Alijai (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Died on January 1, 2020 but was widely reported today (COD). TJMSmith (talk) 22:50, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Nicholas Parsons

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Article: Nicholas Parsons (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Needs work... The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:11, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article has now been cleaned up sufficiently. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:30, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Ongoing: 2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak

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Confirmed for ongoing. Stephen 22:29, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
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Nominator's comments: The blurb fell off the Main Page earlier, and I added it to ongoing as there was a prior consensus on the original nomination. Adding a procedural ongong nomination here, and if there is any dissent to it being in ongoing we can remove it. Stephen 03:20, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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January 27

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January 27, 2020 (2020-01-27) (Monday)
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(Posted) 2020 Brazilian floods and mudslides

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Article: 2020 Brazilian floods and mudslides (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Floods and landslides hit southeastern Brazil, killing at least 50 people and leaving thousands outside their homes. (Post)
News source(s): FOX News BBC Al Jazeera
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Nominator's comments: Large number of deaths. ArionEstar (talk) 02:33, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support Still a bit short but it's adequate and referencing is acceptable. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:07, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

*Support on notability; oppose on quality. Clearly undeniable deserving of ITN, but it urgently needs improvement. MSN12102001 (talk) 15:07, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Great work. Well referenced. Ready to go. MSN12102001 (talk) 09:22, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2020 United States Air Force E-11A crash

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Consensus against posting. Mjroots (talk) 21:56, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2020 United States Air Force E-11A crash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A United States Air Force flight crashes in Dih Yak District, Afghanistan, killing all five on board. (Post)
News source(s): bbc voa, AP
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Nominator's comments: The BACN is a civilian type (in this case a Bombardier Global Express), it's not a combat aircraft and the Taliban is claiming they shot it down. LaserLegs (talk) 01:06, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Mjroots It matters if it was shot down or not, as that likely affects coverage of this and the significance of the crash. I haven't seen a great deal of coverage of this- but if the Taliban brought down an aircraft, that's much more notable. Military personnel take on the risk of things like this happening when they sign up(unlike civilian aircraft carrying passengers). 331dot (talk) 12:41, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Whether it was shot down, or suffered a double engine failure (per forum gossip), it is still the first fatal hull loss for the type. Mjroots (talk) 12:45, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"an unfortunate but run of the mill accident" describes the vast majority of these disaster articles we post, and as mjroots points out this is the first hull loss for the type. Still, I see this nom is toast. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:23, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
First fatal hull loss. Mjroots (talk) 21:56, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Caspian Airlines Flight 6936

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Like the aircraft involved, this one's not gonna fly. Mjroots (talk) 16:51, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Caspian Airlines Flight 6936 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ All 144 people on board Caspian Airlines Flight 6936 (aircraft pictured) survive when the aircraft overruns the runway on landing at Mahshahr Airport, Iran. (Post)
News source(s): Mehr News
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: Let's get some good news up for a change. Mjroots (talk) 11:20, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I agree that such a large over-run is unusual, as is the under-carriage being ripped from an aircraft full of passengers and it coming to rest on a public road. However, the aircraft seems to have survived as well as anyone could have hoped, and there are only two injuries. A dramatic near-miss certainly, but not significant enough for an ITN blurb. It should be possible to expand the article enough to qualify for DYK. Modest Genius talk 15:59, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose We generally don't post near-misses: it would have to be an event like US Airways Flight 1549 ("Miracle on the Hudson") where there was significant attention to the rescue efforts/etc. And even then, not an assurance. --Masem (t) 16:01, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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January 26

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(Posted) Grammys

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Article: 62nd Annual Grammy Awards (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At the Grammy Awards, Billie Eilish's "Bad Guy" and When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go? win Record and Album of the Year, respectively. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At the Grammy Awards, Billie Eilish wins Best New Artist as well as for Song, Record, and Album of the Year for "Bad Guy" and When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?, the second time in the history of the awards.
Alternative blurb II: ​ At the Grammy Awards, Billie Eilish wins Best New Artist as well as for Song, Record, and Album of the Year, the second time in the history of the awards.
Alternative blurb III: ​ At the Grammy Awards, Billie Eilish wins Best New Artist as well as for Song, Record, and Album of the Year.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ At the Grammy Awards, Billie Eilish wins all four major categories with her song "Bad Guy" and album When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?.
News source(s): LA Times
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: There probably could be more on viewership, and perhaps mention that the tribute to Bryant was a last minute thing. However, the rest seem updated better than past years. Masem (t) 04:56, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, that looks better. Willing to support now. Good work. Teemu08 (talk) 19:14, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: John Altobelli

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Article: John Altobelli (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Died in the 2020 Calabasas helicopter crash. TJMSmith (talk) 01:58, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Tom Railsback

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Article: Tom Railsback (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
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Article updated
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 Neutralitytalk 23:36, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Kobe Bryant

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Discussion is devolving. Stephen 03:30, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Kobe Bryant (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ American former basketball player Kobe Bryant (pictured) dies at 41 in a helicopter crash. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ American former basketball player Kobe Bryant (pictured), age 41, and four others die in a helicopter crash.
Alternative blurb II: ​ American former basketball player Kobe Bryant (pictured) and four others die in a helicopter crash near Calabasas, California.
Alternative blurb III: ​ American former basketball player Kobe Bryant (pictured), his daughter Gianna, and three others die in a helicopter crash near Calabasas, California.
News source(s): New York Post, ESPN The Guardian, L.A. Times, AP
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 PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 20:03, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Wikipedia is experiencing an explosion of traffic right now so I apologize if this ECs anyone. Information is still coming in but if true, this should be considered for a blurb. He is retired but only recently, and this is extraordinarily unusual.--WaltCip (talk) 20:08, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb. Bryant was tops in his field(even if just retired) and the manner of his death is unusual. I don't know if the other four casualties should be mentioned. 331dot (talk) 20:11, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: World news and extremely notable former athlete, but lets wait for more details to update the article. MX (✉ • ✎) 20:14, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, pitching altblurb 1 The fact that four others died in this crash is also noteworthy. —BLZ · talk 20:19, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - All over the place at the moment. If needed here is another source ABC. PackMecEng (talk) 20:22, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt1 I think the fact that this nuked Wikipedia's servers is pretty good evidence of blurb notability. At a glance the article looks in fairly good shape and I don't think it is too big of an issue for the main page. Yes, it needs a little tuning, but that will be challenging until the news dies down. I'm willing to IAR a little here given the unique circumstance of his article being for all intents and purposes uneditable right now. Agree that the others in the crash should be mentioned Teemu08 (talk) 20:23, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Both blurbs looks good to me (the four other can be mentioned, but the noteworthy event is Bryant’s death rather than the crash itself) but this should be posted after the WP outage dies down. — MarkH21talk 20:25, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment As a Wikinotable person has been killed in an aviation accident, a stand-alone article on the accident is justifiable. The aircraft in question was a Sikorsky S-76B, which is a large helicopter. Am being affected by the reported issues accessing Wikipedia in Europe at the moment by only getting intermittent access, otherwise I'd start the article myself. Mjroots (talk) 20:31, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support for blurb, but strongly support for RD It is very good, well reference and notable. But i would willing for support it posted for RD because his death.
  • Support blurb3 - Top of field, unusual death, article is of good quality.  Nixinova   T   C   20:37, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on completely unsourced tables. There are a handful of sentences that could use a cite but I can overlook those given the generally decent condition of the rest of the article. But all of the stats tables are unsourced. That needs to be fixed before this can be posted. [Note: The servers are barely functioning under the weight of all the traffic, so I'm having trouble refreshing pages and this oppose may already have been resolved by time I get it posted.] Support blurb once these issues are resolved. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:44, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Tables now sourced. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:02, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm hearing conflicting information on that. It's not mentioned in the ESPN article.--WaltCip (talk) 20:53, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I see that they're saying it was one of his daughters, not all four. But it hasn't been confirmed (or denied) yet. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:01, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, the four daughters info from ABC has since been deleted. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:10, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • (multiple times EC) We have a consensus for a blurb. The article is loading super slow so it will take it a while to expand the updates but the basics are there. Posting. --Tone 20:56, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • (ec × ∞) Support Kobe's death is why servers are on the fritz? Oh. A world-class athlete dying at 41 (the kind of death that makes me exclaim "HOLY SHIT" and drop my phone when I first saw), is much different than a septuagenarian comedian with dementia. This will be reflected in the press as writers put out their thinkpieces in the coming hours. The death is news, rather than merely being in the news. Article quality is great. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:59, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose Blurb two time MVP winner doesn't strike me as "transformative world leader" in his field and he doesn't pass the "Mandela/Thatcher" test for me. Still the media circus probably justifies. Awards section in the infobox needs refs. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:01, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The other thing that merits a death a blurb is if the death itself is a notable event, not just the career of the deceased person. 331dot (talk) 21:08, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
🏆 Five-time NBA champion
🏅 2008 NBA MVP
🏅 Two-time NBA Finals MVP
🏅 Two-time NBA scoring champion
🏅 Two-time Olympic champion
🏆 2018 Academy Award winner
The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:37, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You're the second person to attribute the availability issues to Bryants death. Is there some RS reporting the same? --LaserLegs (talk) 21:04, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict × 2)Not that I know of, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was. TMZ's site also went down when they broke the news. — Gestrid (talk) 21:11, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Calif. sources. – Sca (talk) 21:51, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Say wut? The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:53, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't know you were from Kentucky. Sca (talk)
AP quotes 'source' saying daughter Gianna also killed (filed 2145 UTC). – Sca (talk) 21:55, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Let's leave professional scrutiny to the professionals. If the majority of reliable sources are corroborating Gianna's death, then we go with that.--WaltCip (talk) 21:56, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, but bear in mind the AP is the world's largest news-gathering organization. – Sca (talk) 21:59, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, we'll stick with RS, this is Wikipedia, not Reuters or the BBC. Vast majority of sources now stating that his daughter was with him when they perished. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:01, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment While deeply tragic, his daughter Gianna is not independently notable and I am not seeing any reason to name her in the blurb unless we are going to name all of the other people who also died. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:05, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Well, in a high-profile case like this it could be argued that she's notable by virtue of being his daughter and also being killed. It's a judgment call. – Sca (talk) 22:09, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, I think it's a case of us all being human beings, it's simple to appreciate that the loss of Bryant and his daughter is worthy of note. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:11, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
L.A. now confirms Gianna as victim. – Sca (talk) 22:13, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That's the link I posted a while ago... The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:15, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
She wasn't there when I first looked at it, but now she is. – Sca (talk) 22:25, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Added his daughter to the blurb.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:22, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
NYT confirms Gianna. – Sca (talk) 22:38, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Plenty of RS have confirmed this for at least an hour, I don't think it's necessary now to continue to add more when it was made clear to you some time back. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:39, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

NYT is the most respected U.S. newspaper with the largest staff. I was a bit uneasy until they confirmed it. – Sca (talk) 22:46, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Not a good look for ITN." – Muboshgu (talk) 03:14, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Comment Oh FFS, it's posted. OK? Can the rabid fans with their post-posting comments please move on to other more useful tasks? There are always nominations needing more work. Your love for Bryant and for basketball won't help that. It just highlights the US-centrism of this place. HiLo48 (talk)
Editors obsessing over one person while ignoring lots of other things to be done for ITN is rude. HiLo48 (talk) 02:53, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's mine. I've made my point. You clearly don't get it. I give up. Bye. HiLo48 (talk) 03:00, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I do not appreciate being referred to as a 'rabid fan'. In reality, I was indifferent to Kobe Bryant even during his playing days. Spiteful comments like the above are unhelpful and have no place in a collaborative environment. Even if you had a point (which you don't), there would have been a better way to make it. Lepricavark (talk) 03:06, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
So why did you join five other editors with unnecessary, almost identical post-posting comments? It's not a good look for ITN. HiLo48 (talk) 03:10, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That has been my point all along. HiLo48 (talk) 03:16, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Then maybe just stop talking. I'm sure we'd all be very happy with that. Lepricavark (talk) 03:19, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't give HiLo48 what he wants. 72.208.178.248 (talk) 03:25, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I know I'll be criticised for even posting here again, but I had a moron come from here to my Talk page to suggest that mourning made that obsessional behaviour above OK. Sorry, no it doesn't. HiLo48 (talk) 08:03, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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January 25

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(Closed) Boeing 777X

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Article: Boeing 777X (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Boeing 777X (pictured), the world's largest twinjet airliner, makes its maiden flight. (Post)
News source(s): (BBC News Online)
Credits:
 Mjroots (talk) 10:10, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@GreatCaesarsGhost: Quadjets are being phased out. The A380 program ended, the A340 is long over, the 747 is on life-support. Tri and quad jets almost exclusively predate ETOPS certification so there is some notability in the evolution of very large and very long range twin jets. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:13, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That was 7 years ago .... we're not doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:23, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Jordan Sinnott

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Article: Jordan Sinnott (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian; BBC
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Nominator's comments: Died 25 January Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:57, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

January 24

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(Posted) RD: Pete Stark

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Article: Pete Stark (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): L A Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: He served in the US House of Representatives for 40 years. A few citations are needed, but it's otherwise an okay shape. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:48, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Rob Rensenbrink

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Stale. SpencerT•C 04:07, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Rob Rensenbrink (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBCWashington Post
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Renowned Dutch footballer. Death announced today (26th). Have updated article with his death but it needs a lot more work. Black Kite (talk) 13:38, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Yuri Viktorovich Kuznetsov

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Article: Yuri Viktorovich Kuznetsov (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rossiyskaya Gazeta, RIA Novosti
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Military leader, Hero of the Soviet Union, local/regional politician Spokoyni (talk) 10:20, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2020 Elazığ earthquake

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Article: 2020 Elazığ earthquake (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A major earthquake strikes Eastern Anatolia, causing 22 deaths and more than a thousand injuries (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A 6.7 Mw earthquake in Elazığ, Turkey, kills at least 22 people and injures more than a thousand.
News source(s): CNN, BBC, AP, Guardian, Reuters
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Major damaging earthquake, still a little short on details Mikenorton (talk) 11:57, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lookin' better. – Sca (talk) 17:49, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Clayton Christensen

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Article: Clayton Christensen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): HBR, WSJ
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Influential Harvard Business School professor and author died of cancer. Natureium (talk) 23:40, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How exactly? There are articles referenced from The Economist, WSJ, Bloomberg, HBS, and Forbes--those are all respectable sources. Christensen's article is actually rated better than Mallon's: C-class vs start-class. - Indefensible (talk) 05:34, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It is not sufficient to have some material cited to reliable sources, but rather "any material whose verifiability is challenged or likely to be challenged [must be cited] to a reliable, published source using an inline citation." The bulk of this article is not cited to reliable sources. This is not the place to discuss Mallon - if you have concerns, you may note them in that nomination or in the Errors page.GreatCaesarsGhost 17:55, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The point isn't that Mallon's article isn't post-worthy, it's that Christensen's article is rated higher than Mallon's [and should thus similarly be posted]. There are more citations for Christensen than for Mallon and only a couple places where the {citation needed} tag is used--if that is really the issue, the affected statements can just be removed. - Indefensible (talk) 18:20, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, so none of that is of any relevance to getting Christensen's article posted, which is the matter currently being discussed. Separately, but just as important, my comments do not prevent the article from being posted; they only draw an admin's eye to issues. They will sustain or reject my concerns. If you think those concerns are unjustified, the admin may agree. If my concerns are valid, someone will need to fix the article before it can be posted. In any case, there is no need to engage with me whatsoever. GreatCaesarsGhost 03:35, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) March for Life

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Article: March for Life (Washington, D.C.) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The March for Life, an annual anti-abortion protest, is held in Washington, D.C. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ U.S. President Donald Trump attends the March for Life in Washington, D.C., an annual anti-abortion protest.
News source(s): USA Today, Fox News, CNN
Credits:
Nominator's comments: The March for Life, a pro-life protest, was held today, drawing around 100,000 people. It usually doesn't get too much attention from the mainstream media (besides Fox, of course), but this year it's different because Trump actually attended it in person. JOEBRO64 20:08, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
So add something to HIS article. HiLo48 (talk) 02:39, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@WaltCip: That is way out of line and I strongly advise you to strike or better, simply delete the comment. See also FORUM, NPA and BLP. I'm INVOLVED, so this is not an admin warning but you should know better. This is not borderline or questionable. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:01, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Seamus Mallon

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Article: Seamus Mallon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RTÉ ITV
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: An important figure in the Northern Ireland peace process. Deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland from 1998 to 2001 and Deputy Leader of the Social Democratic and Labour Party from 1979 to 2001. Sheila1988 (talk) 17:49, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

January 23

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(Posted) RD: Gudrun Pausewang

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Article: Gudrun Pausewang (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): hr television
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Influential writer of young adult literature, for peace and environment, against nuclear power and Nazi thinling ever again, books on school canon, in film and on stage, awards in Germany and international - deserves more attention. - I expanded the article, and plan to expand Die Wolke (Fall-out, literally: The Cloud), her best-known work. Much much more available in German, but as usually without inline citations, so I'm reluctant. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:31, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Cagua fire

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Article: 2020 Cagua fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A wildfire in Cagua, Venezuela, kills at least 11 people (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A fire in Cagua, Venezuela, kills at least 11 people, most of them underaged
News source(s): BBC, CNN, La Vanguardia
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Nominator's comments: Unusual event in the country and significant death toll. Nine of the dead were underaged. Jamez42 (talk) 02:37, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Franz Mazura

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Article: Franz Mazura (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BR
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Operatic bass-baritone with a long career - 25 years at the Bayreuth Festival, 15 years at the Metropolitan Opera (debut there at age 59), on stage at the Staatsoper Berlin the night before his 95th birthday. - The article was in a sad state, - we thought he'd sing forever. Could still be improved, - plenty of sources were added in 2010 and are an unused treasure. The next one died, though ... Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:05, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The source treasure is now used, just one review in Italian left, - anybody? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:36, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jim Lehrer

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Article: Jim Lehrer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT, NBC News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Long-time American journalist and PBS news anchor, who moderated many presidential debates, dies at age 85. Davey2116 (talk) 18:43, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Doomsday clock

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SNOW close. SpencerT•C 21:18, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Doomsday Clock (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Scientests advance the Doomsday Clock to 100 seconds before midnight, the first time it has been under 2 minutes, due to increased risk of nuclear warfare and global warming. (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Outside of a few image updates due to this new state, the article is updated and ready. Masem (t) 16:33, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
But none of us will be around to post it then. ;) 331dot (talk) 18:04, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 
Oppose – Sca (talk) 18:02, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(However, a Doomsday Device [7] would be a different matter.) – Sca (talk)


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January 22

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  • Elliott Management, a prominent hedge fund, has sold all its shares in the Hyundai Motor Group of South Korea. It had long quarreled with Hyundai's management, demanding more generous dividend pay-outs. Their departure from the shareholder ranks is likely welcomed by Hyundai executives. (Reuters)

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(Closed) RD: John Karlen

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Article: John Karlen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American actor. Article in need of citations. Skteosk (talk) 09:01, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Ongoing removal: Citizenship Amendment Act protests

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Kept in ongoing. Stephen 01:17, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Citizenship Amendment Act protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)
Nominator's comments: The last protests (this is an article about protests) were on January 17th with around 10k people. Since then it's been legislative wrangling and petitions. Time to come down. LaserLegs (talk) 23:00, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The latest developments in the article aren't "protests" it was a petition and lawsuits. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:12, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I am not sure what beef you have with this article, but you have now resorted to lies that are quite easy to prove. Here are a few major updates of past 1 week and clearly they are more than lawsuits and petitions. see below. --DBigXrayᗙ 02:12, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Summary of major updates in last 1 week
16 January
  • Police in Chennai banned all protests in the city for a period of 15 days. 6 were detained by the police for protesting against CAA.
17 January
  • The Punjab Legislative Assembly, that has the Indian National Congress in majority, passed a resolution against the Act and urged the Modi Government to avoid discrimination on the basis of religion through the new Act. The resolution was moved by Punjab minister for parliamentary affairs Brahm Mohindra of the Congress and was supported by the Aam Aadmi Party and the Lok Insaaf Party
  • Inspired by the Shaheen Bagh protest, a massive anti-CAA-NRC-NPR protest started in Mumbai. Around 10,000 women gathered at the YMCA ground in Mumbai to protest in the evening. The protest was organised by a NGO named Mumbai Citizen Quorum.
  • Around 500 women start a sit in protest at the Clock tower grounds in Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh.
18 January
  • Uttar Pradesh police cracked down on the CAA protesters near the Clock Tower in Lucknow
19 January
  • In Delhi, hundreds of protesters joined a protest march holding lighted candles from Jamia University to Shaheen Bagh
20 January
  • Several Labour MPs of the UK parliament discussed the concerns on the CAA, in a meeting organised by South Asia Solidarity Group (SASG) and Ambedkar International Mission (UK) in London.
21 January
  • More than 300,000 people join an anti-CAA protest rally at Kalaburagi in Karnataka.
  • In a unique way of protesting, more than a hundred women protesters at Khureji Khas in Delhi released 10,000 gas filled black coloured balloons with the message "No CAA NPR NRC".
  • Police register cases against 160 women for violation of the ban on assembly and protesting against CAA in Lucknow.
  • Despite ban on assembly, Home Minister Amit Shah addresses a pro CAA public rally at Lucknow.
22 January
  • Thousands of students from 9 universities in North-East India boycott classes and join protest march in the states of Assam, Nagaland, Meghalaya and Arunachal Pradesh.
  • A 5 kilometer long procession against CAA was led by CM Mamta Bannerjee in Darjeeling, West Bengal.
  • Women continue sit in protests at the Haj House near Kadru Over Bridge in Ranchi, Jharkhand enters third day.
  • 144 CAA related petitions scheduled for hearing in the Supreme Court of India were brought up.

--DBigXrayᗙ 02:12, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My "beef" with the article is that it is stale, none of the pertinent recent updates you mentioned existed when I nominated the article for removal, instead you added them [12] [13] [14] [15] then you call me a liar. Tell you what, I'll take it to WP:ANI in the morning. Cheers. --LaserLegs (talk) 02:31, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
LaserLegs, The version you linked contains 7 updates that are common with what I wrote above. How does 7 equals "none" ? On ANI threats, sure and looking at your past experiences with ANI, due to your ITN behaviour I would advice caution on the WP:BOOMERANG. DBigXrayᗙ 02:34, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove I think we've lost sight of the purpose of ongoing with these perma-posts. We should consider both the duration on the main page and the relevance of recent events. 10K people at a protest is a Tuesday in many places around the globe. GreatCaesarsGhost 01:15, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean by "is a Tuesday"? Banedon (talk) 03:15, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
= "is routine." Very large protests have become extremely common in the last few years. I would speculate that protests of >10K people occur in multiple places every day. 159.53.174.143 (talk) 13:33, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
First link is about a court ruling, not protests. Second and third links are analysis, not "new, pertinent information" as stipulated Wikipedia:In_the_news#Ongoing_section. Thanks for proving my point. --LaserLegs (talk) 02:24, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As updated here more than 300,000 people joined in a rally on 21 Jan. I would not rush to call that reduced intensity or relevance. --DBigXrayᗙ 03:31, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Sorry for late reply, "....not prominent....rest of the world appears to have moved on..."- POV..on what basis. People in New Zealand day before yesterday protesting and lawmakers also participated, online campaign going on. We are talking about in the news, not how many people visiting. By the way daily article page views showing its more than 20,000. Dey subrata (talk) 03:29, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose because follwoing the recent hearing on 22nd January, 2020 from the SC on this bill, there has been new developments on the protests across India. KartikeyaS343 (talk) 09:06, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment At the risk of this becoming an ad hominem argument... @LaserLegs: Please explain your continuous effort to remove items from the Ongoing tab on ITN. This seems like something you have made a pet project for a while now, and most of the time, consensus is fiercely against you, as it is here.--WaltCip (talk) 15:00, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@WaltCip: we can discuss this at WT:ITN, at my talk page, or at WP:ANI if you think I'm not behaving appropriately -- I don't think this is the right venue. --LaserLegs (talk) 15:20, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
being discussed at Wikipedia_talk:In_the_news#ITN_Ongoing_removal_nominations_by_LaserLegs as requested.DBigXrayᗙ 15:26, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose This is still making a huge ongoing forever impact in Indian politics and the economy. It would continue for unforeseen future until the Indian government withdraw from legalising the citizenship act. Abishe (talk) 15:50, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support removal. Per nom and Banedon. Very similar situation to the Hong Kong protests, which are also still continuing. SpencerT•C 21:19, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • support removal - It doesn't appear to be any more aggressive/notable than other protests that happen all the time. It's at a low intensity and days can go by without the article gaining an update. The protests in places such as USA, France and Hong Kong can achieve greater scale and intensity without being posted online. At least the Lebanon one is high intensity and has had far reaching consequences for the Lebanese people (including the resignation and replacement of its government) whereas the Indian one seems to be a few small protests in a country of a billion people. When the protests reach the intensity of the ones in Hong Kong and France, then it can be re-posted to Ongoing. Tsukide (talk) 07:16, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I will add that there are several protests around the world of similar intensity, some of which have had further-reaching consequences such as the protests in Iran and Iraq, but that they don't get posted to the front page. The protests in places such as Latin America, France and Hong Kong tend to be of higher intensity. The small scale and low intensity of the protests which can easily mimic the anti-Trump protests that are always happening, especially in a country of over a billion people, means that the protests are not severe enough for the front page. Tsukide (talk) 07:32, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Tsukide, If you think something deserves to get posted, feel free to nominate it so that community can discus and get it posted, instead of using unposted events as an excuse to pull things down. DBigXrayᗙ 07:52, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm using them as comparisons as to why the these protests should not be on the front page in their current form. Tsukide (talk) 09:09, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The updates have been ongoing. CAA protests garnered 900,000 views in the last 30 days, (30K avg everyday) while Lebanese protests got 23,000 views in the last 30 days. So this also gives an idea of the relevance of these protests. DBigXrayᗙ 19:09, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment For those who opposed and support ongoing removal, Indian CAA protests now added at
Current Events sidebar in section Ongoing protest. I added it in order to participate if this article was removed from Ongoing items, same as Hong Kong protest, Australian bushfires, or even Wuhan coronavirus outbreak as it happened today. I also planned to add Shaheen Bagh protests to Ongoing events sidebar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.76.226.238 (talk) 21:12, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted to RD) RD or blurb: Terry Jones

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Wikipedia has decided that it doesn't want any more Spam on the main page. Nevertheless, RIP Terry Jones.--WaltCip (talk) 14:44, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Terry Jones (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Monty Python actor Terry Jones (pictured) dies aged 77. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: There are couple of gaps that need sourcing, but will work on these now. (Addendum: I would also support the addition of a blurb for this: he's a member of one of the world's best known comedy troupes) SchroCat (talk) 12:55, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support blurb - A prime example of a comedian and writer who was absolute tops in his business. Definitely on the same level as other blurbed persons we have posted.--WaltCip (talk) 13:00, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD only Neither the manner of his death nor the events surrounding it need special explanation; as a result there's nothing to say in a blurb other than "he died". Such types of death are what RD was created for. --Jayron32 13:16, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A person need not die in an unusual manner in order to be blurbed.--WaltCip (talk) 13:17, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The guidance listed at Wikipedia:In the news/Recent deaths#Blurb? tends to disagree with that, it notes "In general, if a person's death is only notable for what they did while alive, it belongs as an RD link. If the person's death itself is newsworthy for either the manner of death or the newsworthy reaction to it, it may merit a blurb." Several people, yourself among them, have asserted this is an exception to that rule, but have provided no evidence this merits an exception. That is, where can I read in sources outside of Wikipedia that his death is of such significance that it merits a blurb? Anyone can assert anything. It just requires one to type things. The real kicker is how can one show evidence that ones assertion is valid as supported by reliable sources. I've looked, I'm not seeing the sort of reliable sources coverage to indicate this merits a blurb. --Jayron32 13:36, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Your second comment is well-stated and valid; I'm wondering why it was not your first. It would simplify matters if editors commented on the obvious criterion for which the blurb is being suggested, rather than oppose an argument that no one is making. GreatCaesarsGhost 14:35, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I only made one point: We should follow the guidance based on existing standards already and long since written down, unless people can provide clear evidence that an exception should be made. Normal operating procedure is to post deaths to RD, and where we post a blurb instead, there are criteria for that. My objections directly address the reasons people are giving for posting this as a blurb, which is that Jones somehow counts as an exception to the standard " if a person's death is only notable for what they did while alive, it belongs as an RD link. If the person's death itself is newsworthy for either the manner of death or the newsworthy reaction to it, it may merit a blurb." which I quote a second time. People have asserted his career is itself meritorious of a blurb. I have merely noted that such assertions should carry little to no weight without evidence that sources outside of Wikipedia are treating it with a similarly elevated level of attention over the normal obituary cycle. No one, has yet, provided such evidence. --Jayron32 15:51, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Standards can change. Consensus can change. If the standards do not agree with the process that we have been undertaking for the past two years or so, that does not inherently mean all of those past actions were mistakes. It could mean that the standards that we came up with years ago no longer reflect the editorial consensus on ITN/C. I am arguing from the standpoint of overall notability, recognition, and how news sources have responded to Terry Jones's passing. Several notable people also in Jones's field have spoken out on social media, as per the BBC article. It would not surprise me if there were further news coverage even after today.--WaltCip (talk) 16:35, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Dozens of dead celebrities have been eulogized by their peers and inspirees on Twitter this year, with quite a few mentioned even one day later in the news. That's a low bar to crawl over. Keep the higher standard, I say. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:55, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Lead image has recently changed. to Spanish Inquisition character Cardinal Biggles, but not many close-ups to choose from. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:58, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Gerda Arendt: The image really needs to be of TJ as himself, rather than playing a character. That said, there is a better one, so I swapped the image in the nom. Mjroots (talk) 14:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the swap, but it's not a great image, so perhaps blurb but no image. If we need to show this one, it might be cropped bottem and right, to have his face more in the centre. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:27, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This might upset the purists, but how about a crop of this image?   It shows him performing the "Spanish Inquisition" scene, and would be a good way to pay tribute to his comedic genius!  — Amakuru (talk) 14:42, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hell yes Well what you got? Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and blurb; egg bacon and blurb; egg bacon sausage and blurb; blurb bacon sausage and blurb; blurb egg blurb blurb bacon and blurb; blurb sausage blurb blurb bacon blurb tomato and blurb; blurb blurb blurb egg and blurb; blurb blurb blurb blurb blurb blurb baked beans blurb blurb blurb or Lobster Thermidor au Crevette with a Mornay sauce served in a Provencale manner with shallots and aubergines garnished with truffle pate, brandy and with a fried egg on top and blurb. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:49, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Eughhh! Have you got anything without blurb in it? I don't want any blurb.--WaltCip (talk) 14:15, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Well, there's egg, bacon and blurb, that hasn't got much blurb in it, Mjroots (talk) 14:21, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
At least on this nomination, I think we can afford a bit of Spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam....--- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 14:36, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
User:Ritchie333, Please unbold the comment.DBigXrayᗙ 14:20, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No, but he's Terry Jones.--WaltCip (talk) 14:41, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nor were Prince or Carrie Fisher, but there we go. Black Kite (talk) 14:57, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It should be noted that we are not required to repeat past mistakes forever. If something had been done in the past that should not have been, it doesn't mean we must continue to do the wrong thing forever. At any point, we must make our decisions on what is the right thing to do, not on what we may or may not have done before (each of which in retrospect may be judged as having been a bad idea). --Jayron32 15:45, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Also, Prince's death was a complete surprise (rather than old age), and was a top recording artist in his field. Fisher is the type of blurb case we want to avoid. --Masem (t) 16:28, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
We have a Wikiproject WP:WPSPAM. We have a content guideline about WP:SPAM. Who is a key person who caused the word "spam" to mean other things than food? Terry Jones. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:44, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb - on balance, yes I think so. I had a "wow moment" when I saw the news, and it's front page on the websites of the New York Times and Le Monde, so is a global story already. I would also support WP:IAR (if there is any rule on this) and use a crop of the Spanish Inquisition photo, as mentioned above, as it is a fitting tribute to him.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:46, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't expect a picture of the Spanish Inquisition! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:48, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nobody expected it :O Tone 14:57, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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January 21

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Law and crime
  • Two judicial sources announce that the trial of seven Cameroonian soldiers has begun for the killing of two women and two children in July 2018, in a case that sparked international outcry. Six of the soldiers admit to the charges, but say they were given the order to open fire. (Reuters)

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(Posted) RD: Morgan Wootten

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Article: Morgan Wootten (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: The greatest high school coach in the USA. Added refs to coaching record but some parts there need refs. ミラP 01:05, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

January 20

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(Closed) RD: Jō Shishido

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Stale. SpencerT•C 15:30, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Joe Shishido (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NHK, The Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Internationally famous Japanese film star most renowned for his work from the 1960s and 1970s. CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:23, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Wolfgang J. Fuchs

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Article: Wolfgang J. Fuchs (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tagespiegel
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Writer of first German standard book on comics, translator of Garfield and Mom's Cancer to German, among others - I translated the German article. Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:34, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted to ongoing) 2019–20 Lebanese protests

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Article: 2019–20 Lebanese protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ After weeks of relative calm, protests in Lebanon escalate to open conflicts between protesters and security forces, with more than 370 people being injured. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ After weeks of relative calm, protests in Lebanon escalate to open conflicts between protesters and security forces while a new cabinet takes office.
News source(s): NBC NEws
Credits:

Article updated

 --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 06:47, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment In the same article, Al-Jazeera says "dozens" injured and Reuters says "370". Which is it? And how many were trying to reach Martyr’s Square in the first place? --LaserLegs (talk) 10:43, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    "dozens" were injured in the protests near Martyr's Square. More than 370 were injured during the whole day. I don't see a discrepancy. The Reuters article was published the day after, so it is not surprising that they have a better handle on the figure. I don't understand what the question "how many were trying to reach Martyr’s Square in the first place?" has to do with the blurb suggested. If you can find out how many, feel free to add it to the article. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 17:23, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for your feedback. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:46, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I would suggest that this be placed under "ongoing" instead since it is ongoing. It could/should replace the protests in India which hasn't moved in three days. I wonder if either is worthy of the front page though. -- Tsukide (talk) 12:49, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You might consider nominating the CAA protests for removal --LaserLegs (talk) 13:36, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jaroslav Kubera

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Article: Jaroslav Kubera (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [19] [20]
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: president of the Senate of the Czech Republic, long-serving Czech politician — Draceane talkcontributions 18:11, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

January 19

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January 19, 2020 (2020-01-19) (Sunday)
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Disasters and accidents
  • Storm Gloria
    • The tenth named storm of the 2019–20 European windstorm season makes landfall in northern Spain, killing at least 13 people. Heavy rainfall leads to widespread flooding, while high winds and coastal storm surges cause further damage. (BBC News)
    • Several people have died from hypothermia after heavy snowfall and high winds combined to bring historic blizzards over higher ground of mainland Spain. Local meteorologists have described Gloria as the worst storm to impact the region in 38 years. (BBC News)

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Politics and elections

(Posted as blurb) Ongoing: 2019–20 outbreak of novel coronavirus

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Article: 2019–20 outbreak of novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: The outbreak of a new type of coronavirus has been making headlines over the past week or so. The daily update from China shows 139 new cases (compared to a total of 62 up until yesterday), so it's probably going to get even more coverage now. Johndavies837 (talk) 22:45, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support ongoing because there are many case about coronavirus that can be spread into another country. It is highly notable to included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.245.111.65 (talk) 23:26, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose ongoing elderly people dying of pneumonia is hardly unusual, and human to human transmission has not been established. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:14, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support it's in the international news right now and is provoking a government response. If it proves to be less worrying than expected, we can always take it off ongoing then. Banedon (talk) 05:37, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb only. This is the type of item that would be great for a blurb: posted once and ages off, and then won't be stuck on the template indefinitely. Items like these are hard to pinpoint since it takes time to isolate the virus and there's a lot of looking back to see when the first case started, so I wouldn't have a problem posting a blurb "late" per se. Example wording: A new strain of coronavirus infects over two hundred people in China, killing three. or something like that. Then if it gets drastically worse to an ongoing-level item, then it can roll off the template onto there. SpencerT•C 05:57, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support its being a public health concern and it seems that have high chances of spreading, even more since cases with people that dont visited the origin place of the virus were confirmed, rasing the chances of concern about human spread, i think that would be good to be on current events area of front page Meganinja202 (talk) 06:13, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb per Spencer. -Zanhe (talk) 07:05, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  Posted. El_C 10:17, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
OK, although even some RS reporting seems rather hyped. But deaths have risen to six. – Sca (talk) 13:35, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jimmy Heath

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Article: Jimmy Heath (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Influential jazz saxophonist and composer. Prose looks fine, discography could use some references shoy (reactions) 19:11, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Very long and productive career (reads like a Who's Who of mid 20th-century jazz). Performed on more than 100 albums, including 7 with Heath Brothers and 12 as a leader; also wrote more than 125 compositions. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:51, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

January 18

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RD: Gordon A. Smith

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Article: Gordon A. Smith (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [25]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Influential British-born Canadian artist; centenarian 2607:FEA8:1DDF:FEE1:9C2F:D4F1:3:574F (talk) 21:04, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Article is in good state. I've tagged a couple of sentences where references are needed. Otherwise it looks good — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:04, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2020 Afgooye bombing

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Article: 2020 Afgooye bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A car bombing kills 4 and injures at least 20 others near Afgoye, Somalia. (Post)
News source(s): Global.ca Al Jazeera Forces.net
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Attack on Turkish aid workers near Mogadishu LaserLegs (talk) 00:03, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This article needs some verification and expansion, but i support to it to include in ITN section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.245.111.65 (talk) 02:25, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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January 17

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(Posted) RD: Bobby Kay

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Article: Bobby Kay (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [26] [27]
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Canadian professional wrestler; member of the Cormier wrestling family -- one of Canada's best-known wrestling families GaryColemanFan (talk) 06:03, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Hwang Sun-hui

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Article: Hwang Sun-hui (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): 김정은, 리설주 여사와 빈소 찾아 조문 故 황순희, 김일성·김정숙 등과 항일운동
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A North Korean politician. ミラP 02:32, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Terence Hallinan

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Article: Terence Hallinan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): KRON
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: The DA of SanFran. Neutrality in politics section needs some sorting out ditto some small paragraphs but every paragraph is referenced. ミラP 02:25, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: David Glass

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Article: David Glass (businessman) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Kansas City Star
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: He died on January 9, but the death was just announced today. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:29, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bueller? Bueller? – Muboshgu (talk) 22:53, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Removed) Ongoing removal 2019–20 Australian bushfire season

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Article: 2019–20 Australian bushfire season (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: Yes the fires are still ongoing, yes the article is still getting updates. Those "updates" are ref improvements, copy edits, and low grade edit wars. The most recent "new, pertinent information" is a note on January 6th that "Premier Andrews said that bushfires had burnt through 1.2 million hectares" and on the 5th a fire near Voyager Point that was "containing the fire to 60 hectares". Since the 14th of January the only new information I see are a few bits of proseline about international support. What was burning on the 10th? I have no idea because the article has no new information. Same for today. The requirements for ongoing are "continuously updated" not "continuously edited" and the updates simply aren't happening. LaserLegs (talk) 23:16, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose per OP, who's clearly showed the article is being continuously updated. Banedon (talk) 01:32, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Australia is a big place, with different climates across the continent. While the bushfire season is easing off now in northern parts, with the expected tropical influence at this time of year, further south things are just warming up. (A semi-deliberate pun.) Historically, the hottest and most severe fire weather in Victoria, South Australia and Tasmania comes in February. The two fires with the biggest death tolls in Australia, the Ash Wednesday bushfires and the Black Saturday bushfires, both occurred in February. While this editor is naturally hoping nothing of the kind happens this year, saying this is all over now would be just a little premature. HiLo48 (talk) 03:51, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Think positive, dammit! A natural lack of hope is not enough. We sometimes need to actually want things to end, before they really do. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:38, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'll think cautiously thanks. The fires in both those earlier events came within about four kilometres of my house, which would be regarded as being in one of Melbourne's (outer) suburbs. I'm still watching out. HiLo48 (talk) 21:55, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You seem to have picked a good place to live, my upside-down friend. I got smoked by a record-breaking blizzard yesterday, but it only broke records four provinces over. Still turned the sky almost pure white for a few hours, then the deepest, darkest blue after the hydro went out. One witness described it as "Heaven on Earth, but not in a warm way." That old man then prepared to die regretfully, but it turned out alright, because that old man still is me. May you continue to shine on through what clouds you're shown this "summer", because you're unforsaken, too! InedibleHulk (talk) 00:31, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hardly. The next ongoing item on the Main Page right now is Impeachment trial of Donald Trump. While it feels to me like that's been going on forever, I know rationally that it will stop at some point. HiLo48 (talk) 02:55, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Derek Fowlds

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Article: Derek Fowlds (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: British entertainer and actor. Minor referencing issues. Mjroots (talk) 15:49, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

January 16

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  • After his escape from Japan, Carlos Ghosn's Japanese lawyer Junichiro Hironaka and seven other members of his defense resign. Hironaka says Ghosn's escape was a "complete surprise". (CNN Business)
  • The bodies of seven people are found in a mass grave in the indigenous Ngäbe-Buglé region of Panama. Authorities believe a religious sect performed an exorcism on the victims. Police rescued 15 people who had suffered bodily injuries. (BBC News)

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Block of Wikipedia in Turkey lifted

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Article: Block of Wikipedia in Turkey (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Access to Wikipedia in Turkey is restored after a 2.5 year-long ban, following a Constitutional Court ruling that declared the ban unconstitutional. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Turkey, access to Wikipedia is restored following a ruling by the Constitutional Court that declared the block unconstitutional.
News source(s): Wikimedia press release and reuters article
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Nominator's comments: End of a major and long-lasting block of Wikiepdia, important news to Wikiepdians, and all supporters of free speech. dmartin969 02:54, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

John M Wolfson It's not Wikipedia or a Wikipedia editor righting the wrong, it's the legal process in Turkey, and as WP:RGW notes, "We can record the righting of great wrongs". 331dot (talk) 13:06, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
But was this a great wrong that is being righted? It's true that it's a step towards transparency, but governments engage in censorship of information and the Internet all the time.--WaltCip (talk) 13:23, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think reversing the denial of access to a database of general human knowledge is righting a great wrong and a great step for free speech in country not known for free speech. 331dot (talk) 13:27, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That was the court decision itself, and at the time it was unknown as to if the government would comply. Now, they have. 331dot (talk) 13:09, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – We are not the only ones that consider this important. NYTimes, DW, Al Jazeera, VOA, and Bloomberg all consider this important. A precedent setting decision by a supreme court of a nation is usually a good candidate for ITN. Some times nazel-gazing is unavoidable, if everyone is admiring our navel as well. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 12:05, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support certainly notable and relevant for this platform.--MaoGo (talk) 12:46, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose same reason as last time, this is likely to be a one-off news event with no follow up. Banedon (talk) 13:02, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. This is not a Wikipedia issue, this is a free speech issue in Turkey. It was notable that the court ruling was made, and also notable that the government complied, given that Turkey is not known for free speech decisions like this one. 331dot (talk) 13:04, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Navel gazing and previously rejected. This is not the whole of the Internet aka China's free speech problem, but one website. Ask if this would have support if instead of Wikipedia it was Google or the New York Times or any other single website. Way too much importance on this being about Wikipedia here. --Masem (t) 13:12, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Certainly yes if Google was blocked/unblocked. No for the NYTimes. You underestimate the impact of Wikipedia.org. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 14:49, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    I completely understand we are editing on wikipedia.org, so any story with Wikipedia in it may seem of much higher importance. But it is at the end of the day just another website, not the entire Internet. I'm trying to consider how important this story is without placing any special value on WP beyond being an online encyclopedia anyone can edit, and to that point, it is just effectively a wiki. May be the world's most important wiki, yes, but in considering this type of story for ITN, that doesn't give it any more special weight. --Masem (t) 15:14, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    I would have the same opinion if it was Facebook, Amazon, or Twitter. Are you telling me that if China blocked Amazon tomorrow that would not be major news worthy of ITN? People are these days intricately connected to the internet. Severing/restoring access to a major part of it has far reaching consequences. Even in the most humble of estimates, Wikipedia has far reaching impact. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 15:29, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, its just one website, not the internet. But it were the case of, for example, Turkey dropping a whole firewall to non-Turkey websites, or China deciding to lift its own firewall, that would be major news as that is definitely a free speech issue either way. Lacking access to one website is not the end of the day. --Masem (t) 15:32, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongly support because it is free speech issue in a country, not only Wikipedia itself. It is notable to posted. A previous ITN was opposed because only Court decision. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.137.188.124 (talk) 13:29, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per C&C. A major story involving Wikipedia would be of higher interest to Wikipedia's audience anyway. -- Tavix (talk) 15:09, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – A significant development for freedom of information. The fact that it's Wikipedia is not relevant to the basic issue. – Sca (talk) 15:14, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
PS: French and German Wikis feature it in their ITN sections. – Sca (talk) 15:24, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Without prejudice to the rest of your argument, what other Wikipedias do has no bearing on what the English Wikipedia ought to do. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 19:38, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No website is an island, entire of itself. – Sca (talk) 15:59, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Navel gazing for sure. But even if it was "Number one ranked site Google unblocked in Turkey" it would not merit front page news. Also, it was not a "significant development for the freedom of information." I was in Turkey multiple times during the "block" and it was an open secret that Wikipedia was available on numerous mobile networks and the block was mostly on landlines/wired networks. -- Fuzheado | Talk 15:43, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Sca. Far more important than the Boat Race. Gamaliel (talk) 15:48, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
More important than the darts championship, too. – Sca (talk) 16:14, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Or college football.--WaltCip (talk) 16:43, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Is that a 'support' vote? – Sca (talk) 17:48, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Please do not oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive." 331dot (talk) 19:03, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I think readers will find this of interest. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:45, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. Davey2116 (talk) 22:51, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - this news has been all over the worlds media. also per established news sources. BabbaQ (talk) 22:58, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per C&C. Substantial coverage in reliable sources & it was a notable ruling by their top constitutional courts that reversed the ban. Notability is established through coverage in sources, and coverage is not absent. The fact that the website involved is the one we're using is not a factor. To respond to Masem's hypothetical, of course I'd support the nomination if Wikipedia was swapped out with Google, as it's the #1 website in Turkey (and by extension the world), but I would not support if it was swapped out with the NYT because it doesn't even register in the top 50 websites by traffic. Wikipedia does, and it surpasses websites like Yahoo and Amazon. Combine that with the landmark court ruling on free speech online & the sea of English-language outlets covering it and I see no reason to oppose other than the fear of being accused of navel gazing  Vanilla  Wizard  💙 23:30, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now. Would like the article to be more expanded regarding the impact that unblocking Wikipedia will have on censorship in Turkey in general, connecting this to a wider context. Some reactions to the unblocking would also be useful: is there pushback from the government? IMO that would help with my concerns about navel gazing, and I'm willing to reconsider my position if the article is suitable expanded. SpencerT•C 02:22, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Definitely worth posting, this is not just about Wikipedia/Wikimedia issue, it is about freedom of information access in general. The Verge noted here that this is the "tightest Wikipedia ban in the world" as apparently it was the entire domain they blocked. Lifting the ban after this lengthy period is quite important, and yes more important than many niche topics that we post here. – Ammarpad (talk) 05:27, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose not notable and self-referential. -- Rockstonetalk to me! 05:37, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Of absolutely no international significance. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 06:31, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No website is an island, entire of itself. – Sca (talk) 16:05, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As noted above, I cancelled my support cuz it's stale. – Sca (talk) 22:51, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Trump impeachment

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Article: Impeachment of Donald Trump (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
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Nominator's comments: With the impeachment articles delivered to the Senate, we can expect this to be in the news for a while. Banedon (talk) 00:49, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Banedon: since this is your nom, would you kindly copy/paste one of the myriad of high quality current references in the actual target article and add it to this nom? Also, thanks for nominating. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:08, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't own noms. Anyone can edit the nomination (I notice WaltClip has already done so). Banedon (talk) 02:11, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Agree that's likely the better target article. Banedon (talk) 02:23, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It might have a political effect in November, though. – Sca (talk) 22:34, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Christopher Tolkien

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Article: Christopher Tolkien (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Var-Matin
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British editor, third son of the author J. R. R. Tolkien and editor of much of his father's posthumously published work. Jamez42 (talk) 20:57, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Posted. El_C 14:36, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's still far too soon to be uploading a fair use image of this individual. It shouldn't be featured on the main page with the image in place. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 14:41, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
TRM is right (and was right to remove it from the article). Let's give this a bit of time. Carcharoth (talk) 14:59, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

January 15

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(Posted) RD: Ivan Ustinov

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Article: Ivan Ustinov (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Gazeta.ru, Komsomolskaya Pravda
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Centenarian military veteran, counterintelligence agent with NKVD, SMERSH Spokoyni (talk) 01:59, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Russian government resigns

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Articles: Dmitry Medvedev (talk · history · tag) and Vladimir Putin (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Russian prime minister Dmitry Medvedev announces his resignation, alongside the rest of the Russian government. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Russian president Vladimir Putin accepts prime minister Dmitry Medvedev's resignation, alongside the rest of the Russian government.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Mikhail Mishustin is appointed Prime Minister of Russia following the resignation of Dmitry Medvedev and his cabinet.
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Nominator's comments: Top breaking news on multiple outlets. For sources see DW, Russia Today. Juxlos (talk) 14:03, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose for now. The first bolded article choice has a very short three sentence update which provides no context for the resignation, it merely confirms that it happened. The second bolded article contains even less; a single uncited 8-word sentence. The rest of the article hasn't even been updated to reflect the changes. Some significant work would need to be done on either article before this is ready to be posted to the main page. --Jayron32 14:29, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Very little happens in the Russian government without Putin's OK. According to CNN the government resigned "after Putin proposed constitutional amendments that would weaken his successor and shift power to the prime minister and parliament". Sounds like he is getting ready to be PM again so he can keep running the show. 331dot (talk) 14:33, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Putin is president, not prime minister, and "weaken his successor" (i.e. weaken the future president) means Putin is giving up power. Banedon (talk) 19:39, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Bandeon Putin is referring to his successor as President. Putin is making the PM job more powerful so he can go back to it in 2024 when his presidential term is up. (He's done this once already) I'm sure the changes he wants will be conveniently timed to take effect in 2024. 331dot (talk) 23:00, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If Putin were a Wikipedia editor, I'd say you were assuming bad faith. Banedon (talk) 23:12, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yea!! Take that, American editors!--WaltCip (talk) 13:03, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. This is a major shake-up in one of the most important governments, and has been widely reported. -- Tavix (talk) 15:12, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I still feel the provided blurbs are not getting the whole story, but then again, I don't think western sources know the whole story yet. Fingers are pointed at Putin, but there's nothing clear that Putin directed this or is jumping on it. If we really don't have an idea on why this happened, then AltII is the best to use to post. --Masem (t) 15:34, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – From what I've read Gospodin Putin appears to be maneuvering himself into a position of Nachalnik (boss) for Life. In the long term, this may be more significant than the U.S. House passing the impeachment articles, which unlike the surprising Russian changes was long expected anyway. – Sca (talk) 15:39, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  Fixed--DBigXrayᗙ 22:13, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Still in the news. – Sca (talk) 14:31, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment MSGJ and other admins, I have already updated these articles with the news, since MSGJ commented here. What is stopping it from getting posted ? Silence by admins is not helpful here.--DBigXrayᗙ 15:09, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Marked 'needs attn.' – Sca (talk) 15:12, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Rocky Johnson

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Article: Rocky Johnson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (BBC) (CNN) (Wrestling Observer/Figure Four Online)
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Was a prominent professional wrestler in the 1970's, as well as the father of one of the most successful actors in the world. GhostOfDanGurney (talk) 13:15, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Work needed on referencing.-- P-K3 (talk) 14:34, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose under-referenced for BLP. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 14:34, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Even if the existing parts were cited and corrected, the majority of his career would be conspicuously absent. We can host a reflection of WWE revisionist history, but shouldn't promote it. Even a non-fan can look at the Championships section and wonder what the hell he did to deserve such recognition. Sadly, reliable sources continue to tow the company line, and he's doomed to be remembered as half of an objectively mediocre "black team" instead of a guy who got over everywhere with everyone. For now, I mean; there'll be a docudrama someday, much too late for RD. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:01, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bobby Brown

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Article: Bobby Brown (footballer, born 1923) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport, Rangers FC
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Scottish Football Hall of Fame inductee, Scotland national football team manager (1967–71), Rangers F.C. and Scotland goalkeeper in the late 1940s / early 1950s Jmorrison230582 (talk) 12:22, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

January 14

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(Posted) RD: Liang Jun (tractor driver)

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Article: Liang Jun (tractor driver) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Most notable as China's first female tractor driver (both pre- and post- Communist revolution), but also a national politician for many years. Kingsif (talk) 00:30, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Microsoft ends support of Windows 7

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Self-closing as not going to be posted. As noted, I was testing the waters, and have a good idea where these types of stories fall with the ITN crowd (generally not desired). --Masem (t) 19:35, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Windows 7 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Microsoft ends extended security support for its operating system Windows 7, still in use by millions of computers worldwide. (Post)
News source(s): CNBC, BBC
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: I am totally testing the ITNC waters on this, and do not have a problem if this gets snow-closed on opposition. But this is worldwide news as Win7 is known prone to security flaws (MS is issuing one last patch today) and there's concern that the millions of computers still running Win7 will become cybersecurity problems. (One could also consider this a "RD" since this kills Win 7, one of the most successful releases of an operating system by MS). However, I fully recognize this is tech/corporate news, the end of support havng been warned about for a year. This is not so much to get readers to update, but to reflect on the end of an era in MS's operating system here. Masem (t) 19:53, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose While I used to have Win 7 (and still use Classic Shell to avoid the outlandish menu design of Win 10), this was expectable sooner or later, just like with previous MS versions superseded by newer ones. Besides, Win 7 will remain functionable without security updates (albeit more vulnerable), just like previous versions. Nostalgia isn't that easy to kill. Brandmeistertalk 20:16, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose good faith nom. Routine business news. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:29, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Ad Orientem. Products get discontinued all the time, and Microsoft has been known for buggy software since at least Internet Explorer 6 (I know it's just a meme/running gag that derives a lot from its dominant position, but still). – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 20:34, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Appreciate the good faith test here. But really, "McDonald's ends support for the Happy Meal"? Sorry. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:39, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • There is more an argument that the end of Win7 support will increase security risks due to the large # of computers still running the system. McD killing the Happy Meal is nowhere close a major security problem. I normally agree that the end of a product line is rarely ITN news, but the ubiquity of computers is important here. --Masem (t) 02:23, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • With that argument I get the feeling that this would violate at least the spirit of WP:NOT (although I can't put my finger on the exact shortcut - NOTGUIDE, maybe?); while it would be useful as a public service, doing so is not Wikipedia's job. This feels like an issue of PC World rather than a genuinely newsworthy event such as scientists dating the oldest solid material on Earth, for example. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 06:37, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support pointlessly I know but there is still significant usage of Win7/2k8 so the end of security updates has a good deal of risk. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:03, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. That millions of users have not purchased a newer version of a product, putting themselves at risk of viruses/hacking, doesn't seem all that unusual. If Windows itself was being discontinued, that would merit posting, but Windows still exists. 331dot (talk) 21:19, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support the number of people using Windows 7 probably exceeds the population of quite a few countries. If we post news related to those countries, why wouldn't we post this? Banedon (talk) 00:48, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Hong Kong protests

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Consensus clearly against posting at this time. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:36, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2019–20 Hong Kong protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): Google for "Hong Kong" and sort by news
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: This was removed some time ago, but it's clearly still ongoing (see List of January 2020 Hong Kong protests). If people really dislike the 2019-20 Hong Kong protests article, I suppose this could be another target, it just seems weird given that a list would be ongoing. Banedon (talk) 01:02, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It may be ongoing, and the subarticles may be getting updates, but it has lost its place as a widely covered event that would make it appropriate for ongoing. It's like the impeaching stuff - its clearly still ongoing but the noise in the media right now about it is only a buzz and not major, so it would not be appropriate to be listed at Ongoing. We're looking for ongoing events where there are significant changes or updates on a near-daily basis that get broad media coverage. --Masem (t) 01:05, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the last significant protest was Jan 1 with about 60k people, and oppose to featuring a "List of" article on the main page. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:26, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - There is a stronger case to post the protests in Iran than in Hong Kong; at least the former is in the news.--WaltCip (talk) 02:23, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose In the last 50 edits, going back to 10 Jan (4 days), the only new material relates to events in November and October, a couple of sentences about protestors fleeing to Taiwan, and accusations of CIA involvement. The alternative "List of..." article is very much police blotter. I think the best route for this event is to wait for a genuinely notable event as a blurb.130.233.2.197 (talk) 07:50, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above. There does not appear to be enough recently added material, nor evidence that this is an article which is receiving regular updates, to consider this for ongoing. --Jayron32 14:46, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 15:06, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose mostly per Masem. I feel as though this article is either nominated to be added to Ongoing or removed from Ongoing every other week... ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 16:25, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) Oldest solid material on Earth discovered

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Articles: Presolar grains (talk · history · tag) and Murchison meteorite (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Research into a meteor finds presolar stardust grains dating older than 5-7 billion years old becoming the oldest solid material found on Earth (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Stardust in the Murchison meteorite is found to be older than 5-7 billion years old, becoming the oldest solid material found on Earth
Alternative blurb II: ​ Presolar stardust grains in a meteorite are found to be older than 5-7 billion years old, the oldest solid material found on Earth
News source(s): CNN Science News Science Daily
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Second article updated, first needs updating

Nominator's comments: Research was done on a meteorite found in 1969 and recent findings are determining it the oldest solid material ever found on earth. It was formed before the Sun was formed. I'm not exactly sure if the cosmic dust page should be featured or presolar grains page or both. I'm also not sure whether or not Oldest dated rocks would be appropriate. Does this count as a rock? Certainly the pages have not been updated at this time. I'm not an expert on this subject so I don't know to what extent this is conclusive but it seemed significant to me. I think this is the Murchison meteorite??? If a page has not been created for this, it might warrant one. I'm also not sure on the terminology whether it be stardust, presolar grains, or presolar stardust grains. Should we mention "older than the sun" anywhere in it? Please feel free to rewrite the blurb if necessary. I'm still new at writing blurbs for ITNR TenorTwelve (talk) 01:31, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Weisberger, Mindy (13 January 2020). "7 Billion-Year-Old Stardust Is Oldest Material Found on Earth - Some of these ancient grains are billions of years older than our sun". Live Science. Retrieved 13 January 2020.
  2. ^ Heck, Philipp R.; et al. (13 January 2020). "Lifetimes of interstellar dust from cosmic ray exposure ages of presolar silicon carbide". Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America. doi:10.1073/pnas.1904573117. Retrieved 13 January 2020.
Assume next week we'll have an article titled "Youngest solid material on Earth discovered." – Sca (talk) 14:05, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

January 13

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  • A sinkhole swallows a bus and several pedestrians on a busy street in Xining, China, killing six people and leaving 16 others injured. According to state media, the sinkhole stretches nearly 10m (32 feet) in diameter. (BBC News)

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(Closed) RD: Jean Delumeau

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This is clearly getting stale, so I'll close this myself and go to DYK. (non-admin closure) ミラP 03:08, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Jean Delumeau (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Figaro
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: The French historian. Expanded from frwiki article but needs a little tidying. ミラP 15:35, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) 2020 College Football Playoff National Championship

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Consensus has established posting for this year, and it won't be pulled. Discussion as to whether to include in ITNR can take place there, now that it has been posted this once. That's how ITNR works, not the other way around. Stephen 22:13, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2020 College Football Playoff National Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In gridiron football, Louisiana State (quarterback Joe Burrow pictured) defeats Clemson to win the College Football National Championship. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In gridiron football, the LSU Tigers (quarterback Joe Burrow pictured) defeat the Clemson Tigers to win the College Football National Championship.
News source(s): USA Today
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Nominator's comments: Can't stop won't stop. This is one of the major sporting events in the U.S. for 2020. It's well updated. It has not been posted by ITN yet, but has gotten close. The college basketball championship is ITN/R, so the "amateur" argument is out. And remember not to oppose it because it has no international impact. It's purely a debate about whether or not it's sufficiently newsworthy. There is tons of coverage of this, because it's sufficiently newsworthy for ITN. – Muboshgu (talk) 05:33, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as in past years. Gridiron football has a very limited appeal (principally NA), and we already cover the most significant event in that (The Super Bowl). Additionally, college footage is equivalent to minor league/amateur sports, which we should not post unless it is like the Boat Race, the most significant event in that sport. Additionally, at least with the NCAA basketball, there's a more proper tourney with multiple brackets and more proper competition, compared to just taking the top 4 coach-ranked teams and doing a short 2 round playoff. --Masem (t) 05:44, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Battle of the Tigers. From Deep South states named after major kings. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 06:00, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – I think putting an event restricted to two measly schools above a competition, drawn from more than 100 schools that attract tens of thousands of fans to games, is ridiculous. This championship is the culmination of a major league even if the NCAA does not like to admit it for their own greedy reasons. The fan base is huge. The news coverage astronomical. Why should we kowtow to the same bias. College Football has different rules. We have 3 events for rugby league and 3 events for rugby union. Why, pray tell, is gridiron football limited to a single event? --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 06:32, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Because posting multiple events for a single sport in a single country would be overkill? Would you support including the AFL Grand Final and the VFL Grand Final at ITN? The latter is the major feeder competition for another single nation sport. HiLo48 (talk) 09:34, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If their fan base was as big and their notability as high, then yes. "The 2019 championship drew 25.28 million viewers".[28] Compare that to 2.419 million for AFL Grand Final and likely even fewer for the VFL Grand Final. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 18:49, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
An approach of looking at pure numbers would be a guaranteed way of having US events dominate ITN. Do we want that? HiLo48 (talk) 22:32, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, it would probably work the other way. Any English Premiership football match broadcasted internationally would exceed 25m easily. Indeed, Manchester United v Wolves tonight in the FA Cup will do. This being posted has opened the gates to a flood of other non ITNR nominations (just in the UK - FA Cup Final, Carabao Cup Final, Championship play-off final, Cricket County Championship, T20 final, Rugby Union Premiership, etc etc) which will probably get rejected by American editors and thus prove our systemic bias. Black Kite (talk) 19:23, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
True. HiLo48 (talk) 00:10, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem. Too much has been said in the past so it's annoying to repeat it once again. Those trying to draw an argument from the fact that we regularly post the Boat Race should better question its WP:ITN/R status if they feel so inclined.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:18, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom, who puts it well. -- Tavix (talk) 09:13, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. A case can be made that more people follow collegiate football than the NFL; the largest capacity stadiums in the US are mostly college stadiums (Michigan Stadium). This is a big deal for many people. 331dot (talk) 09:56, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Per Masem, and further; the reason the NCAA game gets posted is because basketball is a far more global sport and therefore it gets more international coverage. Here is the UK I can find BBC stories about most year's NCAA finals, but if I search the site for college football, all I get is stories about Donald Trump feeding people burgers at the White House after last year's game - nothing about the actual games. Black Kite (talk) 10:54, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Here in England, our most popular sport is association football. The Premier League is in WP:ITN/R, but we don't post any other English competitions, such as the FA Cup - still in itself a big deal domestically. In fact only two other national leagues, those of Spain and Germany, are in that list. As such, and per HiLo above, given that we already post the top competition in US American football, it would be overkill to post a second one. I get that this is a big deal in America, nobody's denying that, but so are many other things within their respective countries and we don't want to inundate ITN with endless sporting events.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:16, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Per Masem & the others. This is an old issue. Suggest snow. – Sca (talk) 13:53, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article quality is quite good, and reliable news sources are covering the story at a significant level. Checks all of the boxes. --Jayron32 14:48, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Not that I think consensus will develop in favor of posting, but I think C&C makes good points here. To say this should not be posted because it is a college sport is directly contradicted by the fact that we post NCAA basketball tourney results. There is only one other American football related event we post, so two doesn't seem like overkill. Additionally, to say that this is only important in North America directly contradicts ITN's general criteria: arguing that something should or should not be posted, solely because of where the event happened, or who might be "interested" in it because of its location, are not usually met with concurrence from the community. ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 16:36, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I find posts like that unhelpful. Nobody is saying this should not be posted because it is a college sport, so that's a straw man argument. And I have already addressed the issue of two items on the one sport from one country. Would you support two items on Australian football every year? Even as an Australian, I wouldn't. So please don't both ignore what others have said, and then write as if they've said something they haven't. That's just confrontational. HiLo48 (talk) 17:23, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@HiLo48: actually, I would be very happy to see both the AFL and the AFLW Grand Finals make ITN. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:10, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A blind chicken actually found the feed :O - and I agree, ITN should not be a confrontational place or a place to let personal preferences cloud what is and is not appropriate for the front page. MPJ-DK (talk) 17:41, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
First, Masem references this being a college sport (coupled with other reasons) as a reason to not post: college footage is equivalent to minor league/amateur sports, which we should not post unless it is like the Boat Race, the most significant event in that sport. Second, I was responding to the claim that Gridiron football has a very limited appeal (principally NA), again by Masem (nothing against you here Masem!), when I brought up the quote regarding the fact that something appealing only to a certain area was not a reason to oppose posting. I was directly responding to points someone gave as to not post this - one that others agreed with. Finally, stating Would you support two items on Australian football every year? is not a valid way to address the issue of two sports for one country. We could spend endless days asking hypotheticals on ITN noms. I though my post was indeed helpful, and I put time into it, making sure I didn't both ignore what others have said, and then write as if they've said something they haven't. I try very hard not to be confrontational on here, but I feel I must stand up for myself in this case. ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 17:44, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
My argument related to "gridiron only of interest to NA" is not that we should never cover gridiron football, but that we should respect the fact that other sports have much more dominate/global interest like association football, rugby, and cricket, so they reasonably have multiple events that we include as ITRN, while a single-nation sport like gridiron, even if having some of the highest viewership overall, should still be limited in how much we cover it. Which is reasonable with the Super Bowl, but not the non-professional events like this game. --Masem (t) 17:59, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. On that basis, you could even argue that events like the Championship play-off final, despite being at second-tier level, should be posted here, given that it's a one-off game with an attendance of 85,000, a worldwide audience in the many millions, and covered in multinational media. It's a slippery slope, and I don't think we'd do ourselves any favours by proceeding down it. Consider also that many popular sports (i.e. Kabaddi) don't have any ITN/R entries... Black Kite (talk) 19:05, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Please go into more detail about your reason and what the "level of ITN" is. 331dot (talk) 17:27, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not going to say pull, but see my comment above in reply to HiLo48. Black Kite (talk) 23:22, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree completely, but let's not shut the door AFTER adding 6 rugby, 4 cricket and who knows how many footie games. A common sense solution would be to pick ONE event from each code (we can debate how distinct a code has to be, but why not post Kabaddi if the quality is there?). We already have all changes to heads of state as ITNR, even though everyone knows some are more significant than others. The Boat Race is fine. NBA Finals are in, "FIBA" (whatever the hell that is) is out. FIFA WC is in, Premier League is out. British Open in, Masters out. Snooker, Darts, Sand-castle building... they all get one, but they still have to have the quality. GreatCaesarsGhost 00:57, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - @Spencer: there is no consensus to post this. Please pull immediately. Realistically, for this to be considered it should be debated for an entry at WP:ITN/R, that's the place to determine if recurring events are posted, with a proper debate, not through local consensus year-by-year. I don't see anything about this year's event that elevates it above other years and would create an exception.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:39, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Consensus can change. It used to be everything was sports, sports, sports. Now we have a lot of politics, diplomatic intrigue, and tragedy. There is nothing wrong with letting a few more sports slip through. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 11:48, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, but now this'll come back again next year and everyone will point to this posting and say that's a precedent. So it ends up in ITN/R by the back door. That's not how it's supposed to work. You might be right that this event is notable enough, but it should be ascertained by the correct means, not through this razor-thin "consensus" at an individual year's discussion, with almost as many opposes as supports.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:21, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    No, this is how it is supposed to work. ITN/R is for recurring items that have had a track record of being posted - it would be nonsensical to have a discussion about an event that has never been posted in the regular way.-- P-K3 (talk) 16:08, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    There is zero requirement that a recurring event needs to be listed at ITN/R to be able to qualify as an ITN/C candidate, as long as the ITNC is focused only on the single instance of that recurring event. --Masem (t) 16:22, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep listed. Consensus here is clear and I'm happy and admin finally had the balls to post this. Let's all move on and focus on getting new items on the page rather than whinging this made it. Calidum 15:05, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep listed per Calidum Gamaliel (talk) 15:52, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Ongoing Removal: Citizenship Amendment Act protests

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Closed without action per consensus. Clearly events are still happening from a quick news check, and a lack of update in only 2 days is far too insufficient to claim "lack of updates". --Masem (t) 21:18, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Citizenship Amendment Act protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)
Nominator's comments: Last update (outside the proseline mess) is "On 11 January, PM Modi visited Kolkata on a two day official visit. Hundreds of people protested against CAA at the Kolkata airport.". The requirements for Ongoing are "continuously updated" but at this point the updates for the article are sporadic and inadequate. LaserLegs (talk) 16:11, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Some cleanup is needed, to be sure, but I see nothing demanding immediate removal. Going through the references section, I can see new information has been added up through today, with numerous sources being added yesterday, over half a dozen, with similar numbers of sources to each of the preceding days. This is still an actively-edited article. --Jayron32 16:21, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The claim that "updates for the article are sporadic and inadequate" is simply not true. This is still an actively-edited article, and an ongoing event. Please see these links from today [29] [30] [31]--DBigXrayᗙ 16:23, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Still seeing substantive additions. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:26, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The issue is still making headlines in India. More updates are expected in coming days. Abishe (talk) 16:43, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment this happens every time we try to remove something from ongoing. It doesn't matter if the story is still in the news, the article updates are what matters and ref improvements are not "new, pertinent information". At least Jayron read the criteria even if we disagree. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:02, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    LaserLegs, Did you raise this concern on the article talk page ? If not, then may be next time you should raise it on the talk page first. That may prevent "this" from happening every time you try to remove something from ongoing. Update:I have notified the article contributors about this thread.--DBigXrayᗙ 20:19, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Of course I read them. I'm pretty sure I wrote them. --Jayron32 21:18, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    All I care about is the ITN box, that's it. If you don't want your pet project removed, just keep it updated per WP:ITN. Thanks for the WP:CANVAS we may as well snow close this nom now under an avalanche of opposes not informed by WP:ITN and I'll try again next week. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:46, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is Wikipedia improvement your priority or removing perfectly valid items from ITN using bureaucracy ? If it is the latter, then you should seriously review your tactics, or else all such efforts will continue having the same fate, that it gets every time you try to remove something from ongoing. The comments above dont give an impression that there was much support for your proposal anyway. Finally, I think it is about time for you to familiarize yourself with Wikipedia:Canvassing#Appropriate_notification before you wrongly accuse someone of WP:CANVAS again. --DBigXrayᗙ 20:58, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Pervez Musharraf

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Consensus will not develop to post. Stephen 04:54, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Pervez Musharraf (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf's death sentence is annulled by the Lahore High Court (Post)
News source(s): CNN, New York Times, BBC, Wall Street Journal, SCMP, Reuters, CBC, Deutsche Welle, ABC.au, Al Jazeera, The Hindu, Gulf News,
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: This is a BLP and we posted the blurb of sentencing. ((Posted) Pervez Musharraf). The annulment should also be posted for same reasons. DBigXrayᗙ 12:49, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Quote: A three-member full bench of the LHC, ..., delivered the unanimous verdict. User:Störm Please check. Also this is the final judgement of the high court. The case may never go to Supreme Court, moreover we should not be guessing the future but assessing the present.--DBigXrayᗙ 12:00, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nonstopmaximum So ex-heads of state being sentenced to death, especially for actions related to their time in office, should not be posted? 331dot (talk) 00:17, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) Taal Volcano

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Article: Taal Volcano (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Taal Volcano in the Philippines erupts leading to suspension of all flights to and from the capital Manila's Ninoy Aquino International Airport. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Taal Volcano in the Philippines erupts after 43 years, spewing ash in several provinces including the capital Manila.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Taal Volcano in the Philippines erupts leading to the suspension of all flights at Ninoy Aquino International Airport.
News source(s): Philippine Daily Inquirer, New York Times, Bloomberg, CNN International, DW, Sydney Morning Herald
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: Notable event as the volcano's proximity to populated areas and its eruptive history, it was designated a Decade Volcano, worthy of close study to prevent future natural disasters. Exec8 (talk) 00:50, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Joseph Muscat and Robert Abela

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Articles: Joseph Muscat (talk · history · tag) and Robert Abela (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Robert Abela replaces Joseph Muscat as Prime Minister of Malta in the wake of protests over the murder of Caruana Galizia (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Joseph Muscat resigns as Prime Minister of Malta, and is replaced by Robert Abela.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Robert Abela becomes Prime Minister of Malta following the resignation of Joseph Muscat.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Prime Minister of Malta Joseph Muscat resigns in the wake of protests over the murder of Caruana Galizia
News source(s): BBC News, CNN, Malta Today
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Nominator's comments: Notable event as Malta, an EU member, is rocked by a political crisis. A continuity candidate, Robert Abela, is to be sworn in as Prime Minister today, 13 January, at 3 pm (CET). --> Zugraga talk 10:34, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support now per changes. Thanks Xwejnusgozo! ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 19:48, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Boud: Sorry. We are not a news service. None of those headlines (which sound somewhat sensational) were posted here at ITN. Any change to the ALT3 would require consensus. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:20, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Ad Orientem: We are not a news service, agreed; but also, we don't (shouldn't) present information in a misleading way. Omitting context is one way of being misleading. I've struck the word "update" in my comment because that's misleading; I meant "correct". (Parenthesis: The protests article gives plenty of sourced evidence of the anger described in the headlines, though "anger" would be more neutral than "outcry" or "outrage" - agreed there). I don't see any arguments above in favour of removing the links to the protests article and the Caruana Galizia, apart from Amakuru's post-posting "I don't think" comment. In terms of consensus, 130.233.2.197 was in favour of including the protests article. I don't see any arguments presented here against ALT3. Boud (talk) 22:51, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I did another strike in my comment to clarify that the newness of the headlines is irrelevant: what is relevant is that they describe the event in context, which we would do with ALT3 (or the original blurb). Boud (talk) 23:09, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Again, this needs to be resolved through WP:CONSENSUS. As an uninvolved admin, absent some serious breach of policy/guidelines, it would be inappropriate for me to unilaterally make substantive changes to the blurb. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:10, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough that you want to remain an uninvolved admin. @Zugraga, Coffeeandcrumbs, Mike gigs, Xwejnusgozo, and Amakuru: - Are there any objections to shifting to ALT3? Boud (talk) 01:59, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Only if we begin with Abela. I don't mind more context but the primary focus should be the appointment of a new head of government not the exit of the old. "​Robert Abela becomes Prime Minister of Malta following the resignation of Joseph Muscat in the wake of ...." --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 04:09, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

January 12

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  • Four Iraqi soldiers are wounded when mortar shells strike Balad Air Base, 40 miles (64 km) north of Baghdad, which houses U.S. military personnel. The mortars struck the runway inside the base. (Reuters)

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(Posted) RD: Tony Garnett

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Article: Tony Garnett (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Skopeliti, Clea (January 12, 2020). "Tony Garnett, TV and film producer, dies aged 83". The Guardian. Retrieved January 14, 2020.
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: TV and film producer, dies aged 83. Needs a few more cites, but will work on those this afternoon.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:09, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Kazuo Sakurada

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Article: Kazuo Sakurada (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Meltzer, Dave (January 12, 2020). "Daily Update: Kazuo Sakurada passes away, Saudia Arabia, Rich Swann". Wrestling Observer Newsletter. Retrieved January 12, 2020.
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Long time professional wrestler, worked extensively in Japan and North America during his carer MPJ-DK (talk) 03:04, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Paulo Gonçalves

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Article: Paulo Gonçalves (motorcyclist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): A Voz da Póvoa
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The motorracer. Could use a little copyediting and some extra Dakar Rally placements but good to go. ミラP 02:50, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Sir Roger Scruton

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Article: Roger Scruton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Telegraph
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Well known conservative and traditionalist English political/social philosopher. Article is in good shape. Ad Orientem (talk) 19:50, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weakest oppose the "selected" works section is unreferenced, the rest is probably GA-level. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 20:18, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose there's also no prose update on his death, no mention of his 6-month battle with cancer. I'm finding sources for the works, but finding a single (e.g. British Library) listing for them all may be the way to go. Kingsif (talk) 21:44, 12 January 2020 (UTC) Support article in great shape, updated, very influential man in the UK in general and in world political philosophy. Has an SPS for his works in the main bio but since a google shows them very easily as his with a variety of other sources, seems fine, should be good to post. Kingsif (talk) 00:00, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@ Kingsif & The Rambling Man: I think the issues you raised have been addressed. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:56, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

January 11

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RD: Stan Kirsch

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Article: Stan Kirsch (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://deadline.com/2020/01/stan-kirsch-dead-obituary-highlander-actor-friends-1202830035/
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American actor and filmmaker. Article looks well-sourced, only query is size Skteosk (talk) 09:34, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: La Parka II

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Article: La Parka II (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): @LuchaLibreAAA (January 11, 2020). "Con mucha tristeza lamentamos informar que nuestro amigo e ídolo de la lucha libre mexicana Jesús Alfonso Escoboza Huerta "LA PARKA" ha fallecido" [We are very sad to report that our friend and idol of Mexican wrestling Jesús Alfonso Escoboza Huerta "LA PARKA" has passed away.] (in Spanish). Twitter. Retrieved January 11, 2020. (Official twitter account of his employer)
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died today as a results of injuries he suffered during a match MPJ-DK (talk) 03:33, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted and updated) Qaboos bin Said al Said

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Article: Qaboos bin Said al Said (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Sultan Qaboos bin Said Al Said of Oman, the Arab world's longest-serving ruler, has died. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Oman, Haitham bin Tariq Al Said is named the country's new ruler after his cousin Sultan Qaboos bin Said al Said dies at age 79.
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: He was longest serving in Arab world, major role of mediating regional conflicts. Sherenk1 (talk) 00:48, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note I have updated the nomination to reflect that this event is covered by ITNR as it involves a change in head of state. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:03, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand. Why is his religion relevant? Johndavies837 (talk) 02:10, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  Posted. El_C 02:16, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  Done. I've also restructured the original blurb. El_C 02:22, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted and reworded) 2020 Taiwanese presidential election

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Article: 2020 Taiwanese presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Incumbent Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen wins the 2020 Taiwanese presidential election with a landslide victory. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Tsai Ing-Wen (pictured) is re-elected President of Taiwan.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen wins the 2020 Taiwanese presidential election with 57.1 percent of the votes
News source(s): Hongkongfp, The Guardian, Reuters, BBC
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: Taiwan is a small country but the elections were quite important as the incumbent President was against Chinese administration. Abishe (talk) 14:26, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Looks good now! ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 04:29, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
CnC I have added a basic 3 line summary there. Others are welcome to expand.--DBigXrayᗙ 00:39, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Amakuru, can someone post the credits. --DBigXrayᗙ 13:44, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  Done. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 13:46, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Whether Taiwan is a country or not does not take away from the existence of this election, nor its newsworthiness or effect on world affairs. 331dot (talk) 15:37, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it might be of consideration if the nomination was nodded through on the basis of the WP:ITN/R for national elections. It doesn't look it was though, and I agree that as a de facto independent state and a significant player on the global stage, this is clearly worthy of posting.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:39, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
To pile on, I agree with both 331dot and Amakuru. – Ammarpad (talk) 17:25, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Bagumba, this is a good idea. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 13:55, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think this would work.-- P-K3 (talk) 15:58, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I am in favour of this proposal also. Colipon+(Talk) 18:12, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Blurb amended - per my comments above, I don't really think this is necessary but since people are unhappy, there seems to be a rough consensus, and it's not the end of the world, I have amended the blurb with Bagumba's suggestion.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:27, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

January 10

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(Stale) Quetta bombing

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Article: 2020 Quetta bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 15 people are killed in a suicide bombing inside a mosque in Quetta, Pakistan. (Post)
News source(s): NYT Al Jazeera
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: A horrible news with significant no. of deaths. Vegan Gypsy (talk) 19:24, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for your work on this article, but it is now older than the oldest item currently on ITN, so according to the rules it will not be posted. If there are further developments, please nominate again — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:32, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Wolfgang Dauner

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Article: Wolfgang Dauner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Stuttgarter Zeitung
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Nominator's comments: Legendary jazz pianist in Germany, also fusion composer. Article was tagged for sources. I noticed his death only last night, and am on vacation. If anybody is inclined to add, there's much more in German, and the 2010 interview is fascinating reading. Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Neil Peart

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Article: Neil Peart (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): CBC
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Nominator's comments: Drummer for the band Rush. Death on the 7th but only reported today. Article needs sourcing TLC. Masem (t) 21:22, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest blurb: widely considered the greatest drummer (or at least routinely in the top 3) of all time. - Floydian τ ¢ 21:34, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose not a blurb in any sense, and article isn't ready. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:36, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Definitely not a blurb. He retired on news he had cancer, this was not a surprised. If he died in the midst of touring as a surprise to everyone, maybe. But this is not like Prince or David Bowie in terms of musicians. --Masem (t) 21:39, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • He retired because of arthritis not long ago, his death was still completely unexpected. - Floydian τ ¢ 21:41, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        • It's terribly sad but it's not a blurb. If Ringo Starr or even Roger Taylor died right now, we wouldn't blurb him. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:44, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
          • Ringo I would think would get a blurb—his entire career may have been through the good fortune of attaching himself to other people's coat-tails, but his level of fame is such that even if his death were completely expected after a long illness, I'd still expect it to get the 'full blacked-out front page, souvenir supplement, and "what he meant to me" by z-list celebs' treatment in every paper. With the exception of Trump and QEII his name is almost certainly better known globally than that of any current head of state. This guy, however, is not Ringo; if I stopped a hundred people in the street and asked "who was the drummer in Rush?" I doubt a single one could name him. ‑ Iridescent 21:55, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
            • Exactly. He's very important probably to a group of people of a certain age and type - eg people that likely were in college in the 70s and 80s when Rush was the big thing - but not as much a global household name as Ringo, or Prince, or Bowie. This to me is an issue around the same problem that led to us posting Carrie Fisher as a blurb which we retroactively saw as a mistake - an "important" person to a certain clique but not really that important in the long run. --Masem (t) 22:12, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
              • Ringo should never get a blurb, I'm not sure how he would ever meet the "transformative" criterion. Even Thomas would agree with me. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:23, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
                • He was a part of a package—it's "four lads who shook the world", not "three lads who shook the world and their ugly mate". When the time comes I'll be very surprised if he doesn't get overwhelming support for a blurb; unless the Third World War starts on the same day it will be guaranteed the be the lead story in every news outlet in the world. Plus, it's probably one of the best BLP articles on Wikipedia (admittedly assisted by the fact that he hasn't done anything of note for 50 years so it doesn't need much updating), so it will be an opportunity to showcase it. ‑ Iridescent 22:31, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose RD on quality - this is apparently a "good article", but it's not really very good because large parts of it lack citations. Also oppose blurb, as noted above he's famous but not that famous.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:09, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Despite being a good article it has numerous sourcing issues. If these aren’t fixed soon and his page isn’t featured on RD this could also be a candidate for GA demotion. Nonstopmaximum (talk) 22:21, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I plan to work on sourcing and fixing some of the worse bits. Not worth a blurb, but a listing will suffice. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 22:54, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb - This isn't just some drummer. This is Neil Peart. Come on. WaltCip (talk) 23:09, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb if it's not obvious from my comments above. Quite aside from the quality issue, I've never heard of him and I'd be willing to bet that I don't know a single person who's heard of him, and I've lived my life surrounded by muso types. ‑ Iridescent 23:12, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb Never heard of him, and rock music is one of my interests. P-K3 (talk) 23:28, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
LOL, ok --LaserLegs (talk) 23:48, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Firstly, if you’re supporting RD, then notability is not relevant. Secondly, it’s not the number of sources overall, but the number of statements that are unsourced.P-K3 (talk) 01:13, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It has 100 sources. Is it the "best article in Wikipedia?" No. But it is a very good article, if not a perfect one. Perfection is not a requirement for inclusion on the main page.
USA Today's writers compared him favorably to other top shelf rock drummers.He was “considered one of the best rock drummers of all time, alongside John Bonham of Led Zeppelin; Ringo Starr of The Beatles; Keith Moon of The Who; Ginger Baker of Cream and Stewart Copeland of The Police.” Henderson, Cydney; Deerwester, Jayme (January 11, 2020). "Rush drummer Neil Peart dies of brain cancer at 67: 'Rest in peace brother'". USA TODAY. Gannett News. Retrieved January 11, 2020. As Variety wrote: "[w]idely considered one of the most innovative drummers in rock history, Peart was famous for his state-of-the-art drum kits — more than 40 different drums were not out of the norm — precise playing style and on stage showmanship. Cornell, Jeff; Aswad, Jef (January 11, 2020). "Neil Peart, Rush Drummer, Dies at 67". Variety. Retrieved January 11, 2020. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:45, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Number of references mean nothing. Its where there are large swathes of text including non-obvious statements that are not sourced. We aren't asking for perfection, but an article marked GA with this many CNs has clearly fallen out of the quality that it had been when it was at GA. That GA was back in 2008, so clearly 12 years of time have left the article in a poor state to not be yet postable. --Masem (t) 19:09, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If I wasn't using a mobile phone, I'd simply comment out the unreferenced statements. Hopefully one of the above supporters can. - Floydian τ ¢ 22:01, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RD: John Crosbie

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Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
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Nominator's comments: Canadian politician with a very long and storied career; this includes holding many top positions like Minister of Justice/Finance/Transport/Fisheries, being Lieutenant Governor of Newfoundland, longtime MP and MLA with many cabinet positions at Provincial level. In those roles played a major part in decades of Canadian politics. Ultimograph5 (talk) 18:46, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) US House votes to limit Trump's military power

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Article: Donald Trump (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The US House of Representatives vote to limit the war powers of US President Donald Trump against Iran without congressional approval (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Al Jazeera
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Nominator's comments: This is quite relevant to mention amid the tensions between US and Iran. Abishe (talk) 02:57, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) 2019–20 Persian Gulf crisis

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Article: 2019–20 Persian Gulf crisis (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: Though this started way back in May 2019, the crisis has further aggravated by the US-Iran tensions. Abishe (talk) 03:19, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ain't gonna fly. Suggest snow. – Sca (talk) 18:55, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) UK Parliament approves Britain to leave from EU

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Articles: Brexit (talk · history · tag) and Brexit negotiations (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The UK Parliament approves UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson's Brexit deal to leave the European Union by 31 January 2020 (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The House of Commons vote in favour of UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson to leave the European Union following the Brexit negotiations.
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Al Jazeera
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Nominator's comments: After nearly three years, its done for the UK to leave EU. Finally the UK Parliament has given mandate to leave EU. Abishe (talk) 03:46, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Assuming the article quality is up to scratch, I would expect that Brexit will be posted when it actually happens. And its worth noting that this isn't even the final approval. The House of Lords still has to rubber stamp the bill. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:52, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Still has to be rubber stamped by The Lords and the Queen (and, at least as far as I know, by the EU Parliament, which might yet decide to be a bit awkward because it may not like been treated as a rubber stamp, tho this is so little In The News that, for all I know or care, it may have happened already without me noticing). Even then it will probably be fairly minor news. Incidentally, I wouldn't take it too much for granted that we'll post it when it happens at the end of this month, on grounds both that it's stale news (having been known about at least since Bojo won his majority in the election last month, which we posted) and at least arguably means little as this is (at least arguably) Brexit In Name Only(BRINO) while the 'real Brexit', if any, won't happen until the end of the transition period at the end of this year (assuming that isn't postponed, or fudged, etc) - but those are all questions for us to deal with then, not now. Tlhslobus (talk) 11:10, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Note that it would probably make more sense to put Brexit back into Ongoing instead of posting this (tho I'd almost certainly be opposed to Ongoing too, for such reasons as that it's now only minor news, etc). Tlhslobus (talk) 11:30, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, wait until the 31st and post then. --Tone 11:41, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose & wait. As others have pointed out, passing the Commons is not the final step in becoming law. More importantly, the event itself happens in three weeks, so it would be more appropriate to post on 31 Jan / 1 Feb. Modest Genius talk 11:53, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Tone.--WaltCip (talk) 13:09, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditionally support only after 31st January this will be posted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.67.43.3 (talk) 13:54, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Per Walt, Orientem. Just an interim bit. – Sca (talk) 14:11, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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January 9

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(Posted) RD: Mike Resnick

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Article: Mike Resnick (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Locus Tor
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Nominator's comments: 5-time Hugo Award winner, Guest of Honor at Chicon 7, I've updated/found sourcing, article is in good-enough shape now. --valereee (talk) 14:21, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Yong Pung How

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Article: Yong Pung How (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Straits Times
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Nominator's comments: He established Singapore's sovereign wealth fund, GIC, and central bank. He returned to practise law, and became the chief justice of Singapore, modernising the judiciary during his term. robertsky (talk) 01:16, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ana Lucrecia Taglioretti

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Article: Ana Lucrecia Taglioretti (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): La Nación, ABC, Wochenblatt
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Blind Paraguayan violinist, member of the National Symphonic Orchestra and recipient of the Young Leader of the Year award. The approximate date of her death was on 7 January, but her body was found on 9 January. Jamez42 (talk) 17:10, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

January 8

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  • Aftermath of the Sagamihara stabbings
    • The trial of Satoshi Uematsu, a young Japanese man who admitted to stabbing 19 disabled people to death at a care center in 2016, begins. The rampage ranks among the country's worst mass killings. His lawyer is expected to enter a plea of not guilty on grounds of diminished capacity. Uematsu will be handed a sentence on March 16 and could receive the death penalty. (CNA)
  • One person is shot dead and three seriously wounded in a shooting near Parliament Hill in Ottawa. Police believe the shooting was targeted. (Reuters)

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(Closed) RD: Buck Henry

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Article: Buck Henry (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline
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Nominator's comments: Screenwriter for The Graduate, co-created Get Smart. Unfortunately the usual cadre of sourcing problems with not-quite-top-tier Hollywood figures and needs a lot of sourcing TLC. This news came late, so maybe improvements in the morning?` Masem (t) 07:41, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Ongoing: Iran-United States relations

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Article: Iran–United States relations (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
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Nominator's comments: There is a timeline section which is getting regular updates and this seems to make more sense than perpetually updating a blurb LaserLegs (talk) 19:39, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
BabbaQ I think they mean after the missile attack, there will be no more responses. 331dot (talk) 21:07, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That is a better target. If the nom weren't drowning in opposes I'd update it. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:21, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Christopher Beeny

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Article: Christopher Beeny (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: British actor. Death was on Jan 3 but only being broadly reported in RSes today. Usual sourcing problems on the -ologies. Masem (t) 19:32, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Pilar de Borbón

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Article: Infanta Pilar, Duchess of Badajoz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): La Vanguardia
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Nominator's comments: Very known woman in Spanish society as it was the sister of Emeritus King. Article needs some improving --Alsoriano97 (talk) 13:29, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: June Bacon-Bercey

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Article: June Bacon-Bercey (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
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Nominator's comments: Article in good shape. Her death was announced and made known of early today. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:34, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752

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Article: Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Tehran, Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752 crashes shortly after takeoff, killing all 176 aboard. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752 crashes shortly after takeoff from Tehran, killing all 176 aboard.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752 is shot down by Iran shortly after takeoff from Tehran, killing all 176 people on board.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Iran says it mistakenly shot down a Ukrainian airliner shortly after it took off at Tehran, killing all 176 people on board.
News source(s): Al Jazeera, Reuters, Bloomberg, AP, BBC, Guardian, AFP
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Nominator's comments: Plane crash with 180 passengers on board. Death toll not known at this time. Andise1 (talk) 04:14, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Posted. El_C 07:00, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Blurb Change Question If I want to get the 'accidental missile' claims into the blurb (I'm not sure that I do, due to the words 'accidental' and 'claims', but there's a case for doing so, as their omission arguably will look strange and/or censored to many of our readers, etc), where should I ask for this, given that the omission is not an error and thus doesn't properly belong at WP:ERRORS, and that posting here (under a Posted heading) leaves the question almost invisible? Tlhslobus (talk) 11:51, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not invisible. You can post here. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:57, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for your feedback. I didn't say it was invisible, I said it was almost invisible because of the 'Posted' bit in the section heading, which is presumably why the matter is being (problematically) debated at ERRORS, where it doesn't belong (because there are no actual errors). I've now started a discussion on this issue here. Tlhslobus (talk) 13:18, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Tlhslobus, this is already being discussed at ERRORS. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 12:13, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks, Coffeeandcrumbs, but it's problematic at ERRORS (because there are no actual errors). I've now started a discussion on this issue here. Tlhslobus (talk) 13:18, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose change of blurb - similar to MH17, we should not post speculation about the cause, even in the form of accusations and denials, until it is officially confirmed. The originally posted version of blurb and the article text are sufficient to educate readers about what happened and what may have happened.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:32, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There is no unbiased international body to make an official determination here. There is verified video of the missile strike and RS are reporting this as a shootdown (if unintentional). 331dot (talk) 15:18, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Change blurb by adding "Iran rejects claims that it was shot down.". I did boldly make this change, as outlined at WP:MPE, but have since commented it out at Amakuru's request there. I believe the wording covers the claim that the aircraft was shot down, and Iran's denial that is was, without giving either side undue weight. Mjroots (talk) 14:44, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I might suggest "hit by a missile" which might imply less of a deliberate act(as "shot down" might). 331dot (talk) 15:20, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
331dot "shot down" does not imply intent. Iran Air Flight 655 is an example of this - there was no intent to shoot down a civilian airliner in that case. Mjroots (talk) 15:27, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. 331dot (talk) 15:31, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Claims & counterclaims continue. Wait until cause made clear (which, as in the somewhat similar case of MH17, could be years).
– Sca (talk) 19:01, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Suggested change:
"Iran says it mistakenly shot down a Ukrainian airliner shortly after it took off at Tehran, killing all 176 people on board."
– Sca (talk) 14:04, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Admit" is a word to watch, and they've said it's a mistake, so that would have to be in there if we added more than "is shot down by Iran" (see alt II).—Bagumba (talk) 14:50, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
OK, suggestion modified to "says" & offered as alt3 above. – Sca (talk) 15:02, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Well, we need a present-tense verb before the shooting-down part, as the latter occurred three days ago and is no longer the news about the topic (hence its past-tense "shot down"). – Sca (talk) 15:42, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Bagumba: Permit me to point out that says was substituted for admits to allay your objection the the latter. Beyond that, says doesn't necessarily imply doubt – especially since half the people on board were Iranians. For that reason, it's been pretty obvious that some Iranian military galoot made a huge mistake, and now Iran right up to its top leader admits this is so. But I do suggest that admits makes more sense here. – Sca (talk) 15:59, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Sca: Refer to WP:INTEXT. If it's a general fact, we don't write "XYZ says", because it does leave the impression that other people dont think that. In this case "says" is needed, because there is skepticism.—Bagumba (talk) 16:16, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I was looking at "is shot down" from alt II.—Bagumba (talk) 15:51, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Alts 2 & 3 say Iran shot it down. – Sca (talk) 15:44, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • From Sunday 's RS news:
– Iran braces for protests after admitting plane shootdown
– Iran admits it shot down jetliner by mistake
– Protests erupt again in Iran after admission of plane strike
– 'Disastrous mistake': Iran acknowledges shooting down Ukrainian airliner
– Support' blurb change as follows (call it Alt4):
"Protests arise after Iran admits it mistakenly shot down a Ukrainian airliner near Tehran, killing all 176 people on board."
– Sca (talk) 13:38, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I would support something like this. Either way, I think something has to be done to update this blurb. There is a clear consensus that the blurb should mention that Iran says it shot down the aircraft: 12 people support adding this information and I don't see anyone outright opposing it ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 21:44, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that's an improvement anyway – even though it's something the whole world has known for days. But protests are continuing. – Sca (talk) 14:19, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
And Iran announces unspecified arrests of military persons who allegedly were responsible. [37], [38], [39] – Sca (talk) 14:02, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2020 Iranian attack on U.S. forces in Iraq

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Article: 2020 Iranian attack on U.S. forces in Iraq (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Iranian forces strike U.S. forces at two airbases in Iraq. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In retaliation for the American airstrike which killed General Qasem Soleimani, Iran launches missiles at American forces at two airbases in Iraq.
Alternative blurb II: ​ No one killed as Iran launches missiles at the two American airbases in Iraq.
News source(s): Rolling Stone, AFP, ABC, CNBC, Vice, AP, BBC, Guardian, Reuters
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Nominator's comments: Slightly premature nomination as it's very recent news, not sure whether it would work best as a standalone blurb or an additional update to the existing blurb. Recommend waiting for casualties. I've provided a rough blurb for now that we can work off of.  Vanilla  Wizard  💙 04:09, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

After a U.S. airstrike kills Iranian general Qasem Soleimani (pictured), at least 56 people die in a stampede during his burial procession in Kerman, and Iranian forces attack two military bases in Iraq.
I suggest the above blurb. A second blurb will repeat half of the information in the current blurb. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 04:24, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Much appreciated, I was having trouble finding a way to concisely cover all of the notable points. I'd be fine with that blurb, the only problem is just how many articles are bolded at once.  Vanilla  Wizard  💙 04:31, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I consider it a positive. Each of these are either new articles or have been significantly improved. We should take the middle ground and let the reader choose which aspect of the story they are interested in reading. This is eventually going to end in an ongoing article at something like 2020 escalation in the Persian Gulf crisis, since this whole thing is an escalation of the 2019–20 Persian Gulf crisis. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 04:35, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Well, then wait till those "likely to happen quick further developments" actually occur. We post only after things have occured. DBigXrayᗙ 09:09, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Plenty of significant developments have occurred already. Nsk92 (talk) 09:15, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
please tell me what "'significant' developments have occurred already", In the article I see only a few missiles fired and no one killed (yet). I would say 'pretty normal' for a 'War Zone'.--DBigXrayᗙ 09:18, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, come on now, seriously? Open the front page of any major newspaper, in any language, in any country of the world, and you will get answers to your questions. Storming of the U.S. embassy in Iraq by shiite militas. A U.S. drone strike killing a top Iranian general and several Iraqi shiite militia leaders. Mass anti-U.S. demonstrations in Iran and Iraq. The Iraqi parliament passing a resolution calling for explusion of foreign troops. The international coalition suspending operations against ISIS in Iraq. A retaliatory ballistic missile attack by Iran on the U.S. bases in Iraq. None of these are ordinary things that are "normal" for Iraq. Nsk92 (talk) 09:42, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Please keep your comments limited to the topic of this thread, the article 2020 Iranian attack on U.S. forces in Iraq only. Those points are updates for another article already posted.DBigXrayᗙ 09:45, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hm, seems that you are correct, that was already a part of the blurb. I see it is fixed now. --Tone 12:26, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Tone, no, it is not fixed. Revert back to the revision by Stephen. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 12:31, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've reverted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:50, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Neil Peart dies from glioblastoma, a form of brain cancer, in his home in Santa Monica, California. He had been diagnosed three years earlier but had kept details secret until his family officially announced his death on January 10, 2020. (Rolling Stone)

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(Stale) RD: Jacques Dessange

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News source(s): RTBF, Spanish Vanity Fair
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Nominator's comments: Could use some expansion, certainly on the minor controversies in his last years which I haven't included. Fram (talk) 11:48, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Radcliffe wave

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Article: Radcliffe wave (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Astronomers discover largest gaseous structure ever seen in the Milky Way, relatively close to us (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Astronomers discover the Radcliffe wave, the largest gaseous structure in the Milky Way
Alternative blurb II: ​ Astronomers discover the Radcliffe wave, a monolithic, wave-shaped gaseous structure in the Milky Way, made up of interconnected stellar nurseries, stretching over 9000 light years across. It is the largest gaseous structure ever seen in the Milky Way. Only 500 light-years from the Sun, its close proximity surprised scientists.
News source(s): The Guardian, BBC
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Comment I have added more. -Lopifalko (talk) 06:20, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Elizabeth Wurtzel

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News source(s): AV Club, WaPost
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Nominator's comments: Author of Prozac Nation. Article is in good shape. Masem (t) 20:18, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Pulled) RD: Larry Gogan

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Nominator's comments: Popular Irish radio Disk Jockey dies aged 81 Joseywales1961 (talk) 14:00, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Prem Nath Hoon

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Nominator's comments: Article requires some copyediting for grammar Nizil (talk) 07:02, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Minati Mishra

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Nominator's comments: The Odissi dancer. I'm on a tight schedule now, but the sourcing issues (that one sentence in the legacy section and the filmography of five films) can be addressed easily. ミラP 16:27, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Lincoln Chafee 2020 presidential campaign

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Non-admin closure. I don't normally like rapid WP:SNOW closes but there is no way this is going to get posted. Please re-open if you feel strongly otherwise. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:47, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Lincoln Chafee 2020 presidential campaign (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Former Rhode Island governor Lincoln Chafee begins a 2020 campaign for president as a Libertarian.
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Nominator's comments: I don't have strong confidence that other users will feel the same way, but I think this is a significant event. Go easy on me since this is my first ITN/C nomination. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 22:25, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not to sound too harsh, but we've not given any other space to any other 2020 candidate yet, and doesn't make sense to now. We'll likely post when the Dems finish their primaries to pick their candidate, and should Chafee achieve that soft 5% line as to become invited to the major debates/get campaign financing - the first such 3rd party to do so if that happens - that might be a point, but I don't see that happening now. --Masem (t) 22:27, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    @Masem: I believe Bill Weld's entry was mentioned with a blurb. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 23:08, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    It looks like Weld's was announced via Portal:Current Events but not by ITNC, I think? If we have given any specific candidate for 2020 any time at ITNC, that was a mistake, that's the last thing we should be doing. --Masem (t) 23:12, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Thanks for the nomination, but this isn't getting significant coverage in the news, because its effect is minimal. The Libertarian party rarely gets more than a few percentage points. Chaffee can't make up his mind which party he wants to belong to. 331dot (talk) 22:53, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: John Baldessari

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stale, unimproved. Stephen 22:02, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: John Baldessari (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Los Angeles Times, KPCC
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Nominator's comments: Southern California-based artist pbp 19:00, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Hans Tilkowski

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Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tagesschau, Spiegel
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Nominator's comments: German national team goalkeeper, between the posts in the 1966 World Cup final, conceeding the infamous Wembley Goal. Not overly long, but all is sourced. Zwerg Nase (talk) 15:19, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2020 Venezuelan National Assembly Delegated Committee election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Incumbent Venezuelan National Assembly (NA) president Juan Guaidó is prevented from entering parliament to vote in the NA presidential election as Maduro-backed candidate Luis Parra is declared the winner. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Juan Guaidó's position as president of the National Assembly of Venezuela is disputed by deputy Luis Parra
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: Might need to create a page for Parra. Quite significant per freedoms in Venezuela and international communities. Kingsif (talk) 20:22, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose this is an internal legislative process -- like choosing the speaker of the house. Guiado (who refused to support a new parliamentary election) will easily win the necessary 87 votes to be president of the assembly and will continue to insist that he is the Venezuelan president (even though the Supreme Tribunal of Justice disagrees). Literally nothing is changing here, and this is not a popular election by the people of Venezuela because Guaido has ruthlessly refused to hold one. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:23, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Interesting how you say he'll easily win at a point when he apparently lost, which the blurb also said already. Laser, man, this oppose sounds arbitrary. Note that when you told me to not ask at the talk page, I was starting that discussion to see if people thought it would only be considered a speaker election rather than part of the presidential debate. Apparently that concern is accurate. Kingsif (talk) 22:43, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
To the users viewing this as an internal legislative election: @LaserLegs:@Juxlos:@Ammarpad:@Sca:, this is a major development to the Venezuelan crisis, which has had already a lot of coverage itself and is geopolitically important. Guaidó's bid to the presidency depends on his position as president of the National Assembly, and the article of the presidential crisis itself has not been included in the ITN so far, so this would be a good opportunity to do it. I plan to continue expanding and improving the article. I understand if you keep your position to oppose the nomination, I only want you to consider this not just as a simple internal election, but rather an important event in Venezuela.
To the posting user, if it is decided to post the entry: Several wordings can be included before "Juan Guaidó" for neutrality, context or convenience, such as "Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaidó", "President of the National Assembly of Venezuela Juan Guaidó", "Disputed President of Venezuela Juan Guaidó", "During the Venezuelan presidential crisis, Juan Guaidó's (...)". --Jamez42 (talk) 16:46, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Tom Long (actor)

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News source(s): News.com.au
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Nominator's comments: The Australian actor. I've added some sources to the filmography but some gaps can be filled if possible. ミラP 02:33, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Espresso Addict: I've expanded it a little. ミラP 16:36, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Singular They word of the year

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Non-admin close - consensus is unlikely to develop in favor of posting. If this closure is too premature, feel free to reopen.  Vanilla  Wizard  💙 21:23, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Singular they (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Using they to refer to a person with a non-binary gender identity is the Word of the Decade by American Dialect Society (Post)
News source(s): https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/04/singular-they-voted-word-of-the-decade-by-us-linguists
Nominator's comments: high time to feature the prominence of this. After nobody nominated it when Merriam-Webster announced it as Word of the Year in 2019 I hereby believe it is time, offering my first ITN nominee. Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by CapnZapp (talk • contribs)
  • Oppose. Thanks for the nomination, but this is just a group of people deciding that a certain word (and by extension issue) is worthy of recognition- much as Time magazine's 'person of the year' is just the opinion of a group of editors at a magazine. In neither case is a governmental body or other impartial authority making a selection. 331dot (talk) 19:12, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis

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(Posted) Qasem Soleimani killed

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I've suggested an alt blurb incorporating the stampede; I used 'at least 40' dead since his article cites 40 dead, but figures seem to vary slightly. 331dot (talk) 14:42, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
– Shades of Nicholas II. – Sca (talk) 15:03, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm removing "top" from "top Iranian General" because it evokes a type of hyperbolic media headline inappropriate for a more sober encyclopedia. (There's no rank of "Top General" AFAIK, and he wasn't even of the most senior rank of general. His importance is implied by the fact that we're highlighting his death.) Sandstein 15:14, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. I was just thinking of that. I will attend to it. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:20, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Iran has shot several missiles at two US bases in the area. [44] Not to minimize the deaths from the crush/stampede here, but I think this may be a more important facet that we should be featuring here. --Masem (t) 00:20, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Seconded, perhaps something like:
In retaliation for the American airstrike which killed General Qasem Soleimani, Iran launches missiles at American forces in Iraq.
At this time the casualties are not known. Davey2116 (talk) 00:50, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agreed - I started a separate nomination for discussion about the Iranian strike in particular. A blurb combining both the killing of Soleimani and the Iranian strike may be a little too wordy, especially if we continue to mention the deadly stampede.  Vanilla  Wizard  💙 04:15, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • There is much more on the second riot, spread through the other sections. The background gives important context. 16 people in one riot is more than Mexico has seen in years and isn't exactly your everyday 'bus plunge' anywhere else. We posted riots with four dead last year, which already meets the threshold for notable number of deaths, so you can't oppose on that. @Laser, I know you're blunt with everyone, but a little good faith would be appreciated on my end, at least. Kingsif (talk) 00:56, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Sam Wyche

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(Posted) RD: Marian Finucane

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(Posted) RD: Shen Yi-ming

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(Closed) 2020 New Taipei helicopter crash

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(Posted) 2020 Jakarta floods

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  • Support, came here to see why it is not already on front page. Renata (talk) 12:40, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose The article is generally light on details, and short if you exclude the background section (which I do when considering updates). Also isn't it monsoon season over there? Isn't rain expected? Seems we routinely crap on similar weather related stories in the US (tornadoes, floods, fires). --LaserLegs (talk) 13:55, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Rain is expected, but this was the worst in 24 years. 331dot (talk) 16:05, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Correct, per AP – Sca (talk) 14:59, 3 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support This is the first natural disaster of the year that I have heard of apart from Australian bushfires. But I want to alert that the article says 48 prople have been killed but the blurb mentions only 16. Abishe (talk) 06:34, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) 2020 PDC World Darts Championship

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Template:ITN candidate Oppose No indication of significance of this event for the popular bar sport. Perhaps best to debate this on WP:ITNR in lieu of annual rehash. Happy New Year all.—Bagumba (talk) 00:57, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Post-posting comment – Ludicrous placement among three serious news items about international events involving dozens of deaths. Darts? Inappropriate in context. (But at least we got rid of the ridiculous picture.) – Sca (talk) 15:09, 3 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • We post items when they happen, in chronological order. We cannot control when such events will happen. We don't have that sort of power. Maybe if you can control human events in that way, you could pitch in and prevent sporting events from happening in close temporal proximity to major tragedies. That would help. --Jayron32 15:26, 3 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I know all that. Had I voted on this item, which is not WP:ITNR, I would have opposed it (per Bagumba) as lacking significance, but it was obvious it was going to get railroaded in, as in the past, by the usual coterie of diehard darts devotees. – Sca (talk) 16:14, 3 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Most of what we post is not on ITNR. Being on ITNR has never been a requirement for something to be posted. --Jayron32 17:16, 3 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I know that. The point was, it didn't have to be posted, and it's not a significant news item – even in the rarefied world of sports. – Sca (talk) 14:01, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Reliable sources would disagree with your assessment that this is not significant. --Jayron32 14:45, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 

British sources, perhaps? – Sca (talk) 15:17, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]


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