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Article cropped

I've submitted an article for review, but when I read it everything I've written has disappeared except for the first sentence.Elisabeth Yarbakhsh (talk) 01:07, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

References should start with <ref> and end with </ref>. You tried to end them with <ref> in Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Jon Charles Altman. This causes the following text to be interpreted as part of the reference. I have fixed it but after the article had already been declined. You can resubmit it. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:17, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi Elisabeth. Every time you use one of these → <ref> you must close it with one of these → </ref> (note the forward slash). When you don't place a closing tag all the content of the page after its use gets swallowed. Hope this helps.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:16, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

pornagraphic material ????

the article https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Chastity_piercing clearly shows a penis wtf dude?

Wikipedia is not censored. See WP:CENSOR RudolfRed (talk) 02:52, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

See also Help:Options to not see an image.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:46, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Novice editor here. Just found a large anonymous omission from an article.

Resolved

Yes it is tawdry and perhaps pedantic but I found a large section of an article omitted by an anonymous user (just an IP address). Omitted was a well sourced section of the page for Steven Tyler. I say well sourced because Steven Tyler himself admits to as much as it was stated in the "Family and Relationships" section before the omission. The omission was careless as well, leaving an orphaned sentence from the previous version (references Holcomb ...which was the main target of the omission.)

As a new user I am not comfortable making any of these changes...I was able to search the article history to find the removal. I am not certain of any other reversals. I am not versed in identifying the appropriate link either. Below are the links I believe show the relevant information.

This link from the article's history shows the article just before the anonymous omission.Article before omission.

Also The user contributions shows just this omission as the only activity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mavaction (talk • contribs) 02:41, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Looks like an anti-vandal bot restored the deleted content. But, feel free and use the revert button if you see that again. Be bold, since the worst that can happen if you mess up is we just undo it in less than a second.D O N D E groovily Talk to me 03:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Oops, looked at the wrong revision. Give me a moment... D O N D E groovily Talk to me 03:30, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Content has been restored. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 03:34, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Mavaction (talk) 03:51, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Puzzling "new messages" notice at IP address

This past weekend I called up the article "The War" (Ken Burns) and was surprised to see "You have new messages" alert at top of page. I couldn't figure out how that was possible. I clicked it and found that this IP has a talk page, which surprised me, since I have not done any editing from this IP. The message was new: I have been accessing WP articles occasionally since December 2011, but the new-message alert had never appeared on my screen before this past weekend. I have been the only user at this IP since the beginning of December. The message was dated October 2011 and was a warning about an act of vandalism from this IP at the article Avallo, also stating that all the vandalism had been reverted. I had never heard of the article/topic before. I clicked the signature-link at the end of the warning, left a message at the sender's talk page that I was surprised by the message; that attempts from this IP since December to edit minor errors in punctuation, syntax, and spelling had each been rejected because of an "indefinite block"; that I had no idea what Avallo meant; and that the vandalism had not come from here. Some minutes later another "New message" alert appeared after I had returned to a WP article—it was from the same editor, who pointed out that the original message had been sent in October, that there was no record of a block of this IP (if there had been one, he said I would not have been able to edit a reply on his talk page and I must have been using a different IP), and that it had come from this IP, and that if I was reading it only now it was to someone else using this IP. I accessed the "contributions" link and was shocked by the entry (first, it's not my style! and second, I hadn't done it.)

Question: what would cause an old "New Message" alert dated October to suddenly appear this past weekend, and how is it possible that any vandalism was done to the cited article from this IP (or possibly was falsely attributed to it even with your safeguards in place) since I have been the only user and had never done anything to the article Avallo? (I still haven't accessed it.) I wonder if a virus is at work? or maybe a hacker/pirate/vandal/whatever? Whatever the reason, I thought you should be alerted to this occurance.

—I see from "Show preview" that Avallo now appears in red, which I understand means the article does not now currently exist on WP, and the (talk) link at the IP user page for this IP address has also turned from blue to red, so apparently there have been some changes since this past weekend. In any case, I wanted to be helpful and constructive, and alert you to an apparent problem. Respectfully, 75.162.4.130 (talk) 04:49, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

• As much as you might think you are the only user of the IP, you're probably not. Most internet service providers reassign IP addresses as needed, so most likely several other users of your ISP/institution have been assigned the same IP that you are using. It is quite likely that one of these other users has been vandalizing pages. The only way to avoid this problem is to sign up for an account, which guarantees you're the only one using it. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 05:02, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Your answer is much appreciated. Thank you. For the past 2 hours I have been struggling with another technical problem from the Wikipedia server having technical difficulties. After trying 10 times (so I've been told) to submit the question and always getting the same message about the server having difficulties, please try again in a few minutes, I laboriously re-copied the question (which is physically painful for me and time-consuming), then exited out of the system in hope that this move might by-pass the problem in some way, then accessed WP again to try to submit it in hope the problem had been corrected after 2 hours of frustration, and immediately found the message "You have new messages (last change)". I clicked it and was appalled to read the message that said I had submitted the question 10 times and would I please stop! and that my question had already been answered! Nothing on the screen, during the 2 hours when I was hoping the problem would be resolved, indicated that it had already been submitted and answered. After reading the message I submitted an explanatory answer to that help-desk editor's talk page with deep regret and sympathy, then came back to this page and read the answer. To all of you who suffered from the technical problem generated by the WP server you have my deepest sympathy. I am so sorry for you and me as victims of the machine and of electronic "progress". (Isn't there any way of correcting this defect?) Meanwhile, I will take your recommendation and sign up for an account. Today. Thank you. Respectfully, 75.162.4.130 (talk) 08:43, 8 May 2012 (UTC) Here we go again!—technical servers are experiencing problem, please try again in a few minutes—there is no way I'm going to do THAT again! 75.162.4.130 (talk) 08:58, 8 May 2012 (UTC) And, to add to all this, an edit conflict too! (Wikipedia hardly seem worth the trouble.) Respectfully, frustratedly, 75.162.4.130 (talk) 08:58, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

I think they are implementing an update to the Wikimedia software, and that is what causes the technical problems at the moment. --Saddhiyama (talk) 09:09, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

There are several things I'd like to say here, First I know your pain !! :)

Next, the fast workaround for your problems with the technical difficulties is to use additional tabs (windows on your browser). when you want to edit, do not click edit, right click edit instead and open in a new tab, then write and attempt to save. When you get the error message, return to your original window/tab and right click page history and open that in yet another window/tab. Check if it has saved, if it has, that's great. If it has not saved, make sure you have allowed it 20 seconds between your first save attempt and opening history, if it looks like it has not saved, you can usually refresh the error message page and it will usually ask you if you would like to resend the information, to which you answer yes. then you wait the 10-20 seconds and see if it has saved in the history tab.

To copy the sections, or guard against losing your text, click anywhere on your text then hold down the Ctrl key and press A and release, which highlights all of the text, then hold Ctrl and press C which copies all text into the clipboard. If you seem to have lost it a moment later with the clicking, edit the page, click in the edit window, hold down Ctrl and press V, the text should be pasted in.

Next, for the messages, if it is actually true that you IP has made edits, then the first most likely cause is that your IP was re-assigned to someone else for a while after you switched off your computer, and then reassigned to you when you switched back on, or even more likely you were given a fresh IP someone else had used to edit wikipedia. These IP's are called dynamic IP's, if it is irritating, just sign up and sign in, that fixes the problem, the other alternative is to ask your Internet company for a static IP, then that IP is just for you. An IP address usually allows people to see where in the world you are, but this is not always true.

If you have been getting messages whilst your computer is switched on and they arrive in the middle of an edit session, but they refer to editing your IP appears to have done, but you didn't do, you might be using a wireless network, or have wireless on your modem activated by default. That allows someone in close proximity to you to be sharing your internet, sometimes by accident, sometimes they know. If it bothers you because you live in a country where people are hostile or if you need to pay for the internet according to usage, then either deactivate wireless in the modem according to the user manual, or if the little (usually black plastic like a short pencil) antenna unscrews from the modem, just unscrew it and stickytape it to the side so you don't lose it. The wireless will no longer work.

If it persists or you don't have a network then there are other technical possibilities. People with basic technical knowledge can clone your IP and pretend to be you, and basically that occurs when you have upset someone with serious technical ability, or they are using your IP randomly and mean you no harm. They may be either doing everything remotely, or using your own computer to do it, having installed software on your computer or having tricked you into installing it yourself. The easiest way to make that difficult is to use a Live CD when you edit wikipedia, or just install Ubuntu for everyday use, it's easier and better to use than windows, a lot less hassle, and is immune to virus and malware for all practical meanings of the definition. These scenarios are not likely however, it will be most likely just your IP being reassigned, 98 % probability, and 2% your wireless is being shared (varies according to your home country). Other possibilities are only worthwhile considering if you are actually an interesting person to computer geeks, make up your own mind there.

The workaround for the error page wikipedia displays when overloaded should include help text indicating how to check your work using another window if the error message is being display by the wiki server because of actual technical issues. If it is being displayed to reduce traffic and bandwidth, then probably not, just a try again message would suffice. Penyulap ☏ 10:50, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

How to remove line of text

how to permanently remove this line-this is wikipedia user page from my user artical — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abenezer inder (talk • contribs) 06:52, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

I've added a title to your question. It's best not to just tack your question on to the previous question. Having a heading helps it stand out to those who might answer you. As for your question, I don't understand what you want. Could you be more specific? Or possibly provide a link to the page that you're thinking of. Thanks, Dismas|^(talk) 07:26, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

This appears to be about User:Abenezer inder, Abenezer Inder, and Abenezer inder, as well as this help request with no text. Dru of Id (talk) 07:45, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Just remove the {{user page|noindex=yes}} template from the page in edit mode. And read WP:NOTCV while you're at it... Yunshui 雲‍水 12:32, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Symbol of Christian fish

In sharing this the best way I know how:

The focus is not the fish. The prophet Habakkuk asked, "God, why do You make me like fish of the sea; like creatures who wander as if they have no ruler over them?" This is the focus Christians have altogether missed. Useless on a personal level is the Christian explanation of 'signs'. These are the 'lost' Jesus spoke of when He said, "Follow Me and I will make you fishers of men," Put your name in the symbol of one who was lost and is now saved in Christ.

For lack of a better way to express this, I want to thank you for taking a moment to consider the hidden meaning of the Christian fish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.180.98.18 (talk) 07:23, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

See Ichthys - you'll find more information about the symbol there. Roger (talk) 08:24, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Numerical sort in tables

The sort button for tables works very badly for numerical entries. For example, 20 is viewed as larger than 1000 because the first digit of 20 (i.e. 2) is higher than the first digit of 1000 (i.e. 1). Isn't it time to find or to write a new sort function which will work for numbers as well as for words? I am looking for a kind of suggestion box rather than a FAQ, but couldn't find one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Topdown bottomup (talk • contribs) 08:02, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Can you provide a specific example? Ruslik_Zero 11:56, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

That's not quite the case. If the field has characters, e.g. 30 miles and 100 miles, it will treat everything as text. if it has just numbers, it will treat them as numbers. see Help:Sorting for more info, including solutions when you do have a mixture of text and numbers. --SPhilbrick(Talk) 13:14, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Bare url

hello,

in Paul S. Walsh I am unable to remove the bare url in reference 4. I wonder if the suffix ".ece" causes this problem. Thanks.--GoP_T^C_N 10:49, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

The title is missing. Ruslik_Zero 11:51, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

I found the missing title in archive.org and added it.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 11:58, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Error message

Maybe someone who knows where to ask can ask if the error message is being used to throttle traffic, or if it is simply an error message, in which case it could be improved with a short message suggesting opening a new tab, then selecting the original page from history (and updating it) to check to see if the post was a success.

Actually, after my last long post, I got the message as well. (same with the one and only Great Orange Pumpkin) Penyulap ☏ 11:01, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

What is the exact message that you received? Ruslik_Zero 11:55, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

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Wikimedia Foundation Error

Our servers are currently experiencing a technical problem. This is probably temporary and should be fixed soon. Please try again in a few minutes.

You may be able to get further information in the #wikipedia channel on the Freenode IRC network.

The Wikimedia Foundation is a non-profit organisation which hosts some of the most popular sites on the Internet, including Wikipedia. It has a constant need to purchase new hardware. If you would like to help, please donate. If you report this error to the Wikimedia System Administrators, please include the details below. Request: POST http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=submit, from 10.64.0.140 via cp1010.eqiad.wmnet (squid/2.7.STABLE9) to 10.2.1.1 (10.2.1.1) Error: ERR_ZERO_SIZE_OBJECT, errno [No Error] at Tue, 08 May 2012 12:03:50 GMT

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Penyulap ☏ 12:07, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

I think we've all been getting that error message. After seeing it, hit the back button twice and reload this page, and your edit should be there despite the error message. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 12:14, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

yes, I made an explanation in a section above, but this only helps us, we need to add it to that message, but where is that message ? Penyulap ☏ 12:56, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Mobile site android permanently disable button

Previously I was able to permanently disable mobile view by clicking on a link (which set a cookie I presume). Although it is still referred to on Wikipedia I cannot locate said link and mobile view layout has changed such that it does not work with my browser. How do I permanently disable mobile view? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.175.248.231 (talk) 12:30, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

You could try asking at WP:VPT.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 18:42, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Where to reply to the points brought up by a GA reviewer

This might be a dumb question, but where should a reply to specific concerns of a GA reviewer? For example, where should I reply to point 1. at Talk:Wieferich prime/GA1#GA Review? Should I leave a reply directly under 1. a? Or should I start a a new section or subsection? -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 14:03, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

I've seen both methods being used but my own preference would be to reply under each point. Roger (talk) 06:37, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 18:34, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Free labels in Infobox don't show up!

Hello everyone. Actually I have a query regarding my article here Central National Herbarium. I have added some free labels to its infoboxes but they won't show up. Kindly suggest any workarounds any any type of constructive additions if possible. Vivek Rai (talk) 14:45, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

As far as I can see, Template:Infobox museum doesn't have parameters such as "free label 1" and "free data 1". The parameters in use by the template are shown on the template page. (And I've deleted your duplicate question.) - David Biddulph (talk) 15:07, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Why is editing on Wikipedia so SLOW?

When it comes to editing, Wikipedia is by far one of the slowest websites I've visited. Saving an edit often takes upwards of 30 seconds when other websites load large multimedia files in a fraction of the time. Speaking for Wikipedia editors in general, I think that much more could be accomplished if the website didn't crawl during each edit attempt. Is there anything that can be done to alleviate the issue? Thanks. --81.100.44.233 (talk) 15:17, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

More servers; but they cost money. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:41, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

How does X work?

Acoustic transmission line (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Your question. Slapper4 (talk) 15:23, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

hi, i cant understand your help interface so im hoping this will get through

someone has vandalised the page on acoustic transmission lines, that i painstakingly built a few years ago. i added information about the difference and definitions of acoustic transmission lines and to reflex enclosures, and pointed to the fact that the only authentic retail product available was the SUHTL.

someone representing PMC, who in fact dont make transmissio lines, has deleted all that, fraudulently representing their product and reflex design as transmission line.

I met the cheif designer and his team at the UK national hifi exhibition 2005 and 2006 where we discussed TLs, and he admitted using the proper definition of a TL as invented by Bailey, theirs was a reflex and mine was a TL, so this is blatant vandalism

please review the edit history of this article, and the other refereces to PMC this vandal has created elsewhere.

if this is to the wrong recipient please forward on as i cant.

nick le feuvre B.eng (holder of a GB patent on TL loudspeakers with a special enclosure material)

Is the removal of this what you are referring to? If so, the entire section was unsubstantiated by reliable sources. I have left a note on the page that it is entirely unreferenced, and will try to find some experts in the subject to take a closer look at it. Ryan Vesey Review me! 15:36, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Editing that you disagree with is not vandalism. Please read WP:Assume good faith, and WP:Content dispute. Claims that something "is the only authentic retail product available", and more importantly that somebody is "fraudulently representing" anything is permissible in Wikipedia only if an independent reliable source says so: otherwise they are original research, and the latter contravenes our policy on biographies of living persons. --ColinFine (talk) 17:34, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Music producer / Musician requiring uninvolved editor

Hi, my name is Ronnie Pollock and I am the music producer / artist who creates and releases music under the alises DySFUNCTIONAL and DySFUNCTIONAL RoTARY EnCODER.

I am requiring a wikkipedia entry to allow for the completion of my BBC music page found at the link bellow. http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/artists/c28db782-cbd0-4b0f-8465-0d8da5074fc5

DySFUNCTIONAL Has over 20 thousand people following on the website souncloud.com which cen be viewd / verified at the link bellow. http://soundcloud.com/ronniepollock

There are no online articles to add or additional information.

All that would be required would be a statment similar to " Ronnie Pollock from Glasgow, Scotland in the UK is a music producer / artist who to this day has over 20 thousand followers on the website soundcloud.com

The only source for this information would be my soundcloud page http://soundcloud.com/ronniepollock

Addtional info would be that to this date DySFUNCTIONAL has been supported / played on BBC Radio 1 Scotland by the DJ Ally McCrae A source for this info would be this page http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/artists/c28db782-cbd0-4b0f-8465-0d8da5074fc5

Not sure if this is enough for an article or that the sources are of a high enough standard really.

However a page is required and I do have a decent following a lots of comments and likes on soundcloud so my music is reasonably popular.

I suppose my question is can some please create an article regarding this subject?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.222.224.217 (talk) 17:06, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

If you can't find more/better online sources how about magazines or newspapers - have you ever been interviewed for an article about yourself? Roger (talk) 17:18, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a mechanism for promotion or publicity. If you are notable by Wikipedia's criteria, then somebody (not you!) may create an article about you; but if nobody independent has yet written about you in reliable organs, then I am afraid the answer is no. --ColinFine (talk) 17:45, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Someone "official" (WMF?) should probably inform the BBC that their "advice" to "go forth and post all sorts of crap on WP" is not acceptable. Roger (talk) 18:04, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

The BBC site says "If you know that a biography for DySFUNCTIONAL already exists in Wikipedia, you can add a link to DySFUNCTIONAL's entry in MusicBrainz". It's not exhorting people to create inappropriate articles in Wikipedia, though the OP evidently read it that way. --ColinFine (talk) 22:08, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Try reading the previous sentence - I parse "You can contribute biographical information for DySFUNCTIONAL to Wikipedia, the user-contributed encyclopedia." to mean "go ahead and create an article". Note that it is a separate sentence, so the "If" that starts the next sentence is not imposing a condition. Roger (talk) 07:13, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia, not a promotion website. Having a large number of soundcloud followers does not make you notable, especially since now all you have to do is pay someone to add people. - filelakeshoe 18:08, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Well this is why I have created no such article and the BBC website has no suggested people just crete Wikkipedia pages. I am trying to do everything the right way and this is in regard to all my online profiles entites. I do not pay to have followers added and if you had checked my soundcloud account you would see I have a realistic yet very potent following with lots of comments 300 + pre track and the favorite numbers match, I hate cheats. All the accounts that follow me are for real individual humans. My Reason for hating these cheats so much is that I was cheated out of a MTV Brand New 2012 top 20 spot by someone who I exposed to have used thousand of phony accounts.

I thank you for your time. I find your response slighty negative but that is ok.

I have had some online reviews and what not but without a managment or an agaent and not having the contacts to persue possibel interviews with magazines.

I thank you tho you have shown me what I need. No doubt I will gain these and return.

I feel you should note I did not create an article but rather tried to do things correctly, an element of your replie suggests I have been wrong even to post my message here on the help desk when it was in fact suggested in the help documentation hence how I found my self here.

Thank you

Ronald — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.222.224.217 (talk) 23:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Unwanted numbering

This edit of mine introduced additional unwanted numbering which seems to be caused by the indentation of my replies. How can I avoid that my replies are numbered while keeping them indented? -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 18:52, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

(Btw posting a question multiple times by me is not intentional. I repeatedly get server error messages while trying to submit edits, but the edits seem in fact to be submitted.) -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 19:01, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

 Fixed with this edit. The # doesn't appear when followed with colons (:) however it is necessary to keep the numbering flowing correctly. Here's an example :

# first
#: comment
#:: reply
# second
# third
## first sub
## second sub
##: comment
##:: reply
::::: reply
# ouch! broken
# etc.

# ouch! broken

Which shows:

1. first

   comment

   reply

2. second
3. third
   1. first sub
   2. second sub

      comment

      reply

reply

1. ouch! broken
2. etc.

1. ouch! broken

Hope this helps. benzband (talk) 20:57, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. :) -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 21:23, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Pedophile Sex Gang

I would like to solicit help in constructing an article about the Rochdale Sex Traffickers Gang. How would I go about doing that? (Apologies for the sensationalism)Ankh.Morpork 20:45, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

• Some more eyes might be useful, as Ankh seems to have a bit of a sensationalist bent and keeps adding info that is definitely not in the sources. cheers. CaptainScreebo ^Parley! 14:49, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Requesting translation from English to Vietnamese

Hi, I tried looking for translation templates that can help request translation from English article to Vietnamese Wikipedia, but apparently the template that works here does not work over there. Does anyone know where I can find them?--NeoBatfreak (talk) 22:24, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

I thought maybe vi:Bản mẫu:Đang dịch 2 might help. It's the Vietnamese Wikipedia equivalent of {{Not English}}. However, its application is for when someone has already posted the article but has done so in English rather than Vietnamese. I haven't yet found a forum for making general requests to translate not-yet-created articles.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:42, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Title of Browse article

I have just been editing the page "Browse". This is not the correct term. "Browsing" is the term universally used in information science. I have been unable to find how to change the TITLE of an article.Mjbinfo (talk) 22:37, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

You can only change the title by moving the article. You should discuss your concern on the article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 23:16, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

I have been editing the entry "Browse." This is not the correct term. It should be "Browsing," which is universally used in information science (and elsewhere). I could not find information on how to change the TITLE of an entry. Help! Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjbinfo (talk • contribs) 00:31, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Please see my previous reply. Also, Browsing already redirects to Browse. The talk page for the article is here:Talk:Browse RudolfRed (talk) 01:44, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Moving a page. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:48, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

I have moved the page. The gerund form of title, which is specifically endorsed by WP:NOUN, does appear to be more common, and certainly it is more natural sounding.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:17, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

The same logic should apply to hanged, drawn and quartered, but I didn't get much support on the talk page.--ukexpat (talk) 03:29, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Only two people commented and one said "perhaps it should be". But did you check usage in reliable sources? Hanged, drawn and quartered is something of a stock phrase, and it is vastly more common ([2]) than hanging, drawing and quartering ([3]) so unlike browse vs. browsing, application of WP:COMMONNAME would appear to argue for the opposite outcome. Also, because it is a stock phrase, application of "naturalness" also is the reverse situation, at least to my ear.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:07, 9 May 2012 (UTC)